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Speaker 1: Should we do just one more with Lynn? Today?

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Speaker 2: I say yes.

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Speaker 3: And in the last two episodes, you guys know, we

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Speaker 3: which kind of begs the question, how does he follow

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Speaker 1: HM? Writing a one man show about the inspiring and

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure that's next on his to do list,

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Speaker 3: But for today, why don't we follow Lynn from the

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Speaker 1: Hey, he can write my story for the screen too.

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Speaker 1: You know, I look great both ways? Hold on?

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Speaker 2: Where am I in all of this?

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Speaker 1: Hey? It's called show business? Those not show friends?

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Speaker 2: Hold up?

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Speaker 1: Hold up? Hold up?

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Speaker 3: Did you just weaponize Jerry McGuire against.

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Speaker 1: A Sorry, I'm not sorry?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, while you're planning for my demise, let's give

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Speaker 3: the listeners what they came here for.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, From Moana to Tiptick Boom, Lin Manuel

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Speaker 1: takes on Tentheltown.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Lilianavosquez.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Joseph Carrio, and this is becoming an icon a.

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Speaker 3: Weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on how

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Speaker 3: today's most famous LATINX stars have shaped pop culture.

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Speaker 1: And given the world some extras.

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Speaker 2: Lebt, sit back and get comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Because we are going in the only way we know how,

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Speaker 1: with Buena's.

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Speaker 3: Usbunasrisas, some cheese, and a lot of opinions as we

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Speaker 3: relive their greatest achievements on our journey to find out

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Speaker 3: what makes them so iconic. Will Miranda grew up enamored

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Speaker 3: by musicals. He references Stephen Sodenheim in literally everything.

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Speaker 1: But there's another Stephen that captured his creative little heart, and.

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Speaker 3: That would be Steven Spielberg, someone he's long admired and

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Speaker 1: Hey, there can be only one Spielberg.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, which meant that Lynn had to craft his own

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Speaker 1: Which at this point in his career wasn't too daunting

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Speaker 3: He is Linn Manoel, Yes, and Lynn's career still had

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Speaker 1: Let's set the stage. It's twenty thirteen and Hamilton isn't

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Speaker 3: Yes, Lynn is out there presenting the Hamilton mixtape, making

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Speaker 1: People saw this show and thought, wait, this kid's got something.

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Speaker 3: He definitely had that X factor, and Disney called him

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Speaker 3: in for an interview for what would ultimately become Moanna.

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Speaker 1: Lynn to interview.

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Speaker 2: Well in twenty thirteen, he did tough crowd.

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Speaker 3: In an article from The New York Times, Miranda said this,

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Speaker 1: The rest was history. Literally.

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Speaker 3: Disney hired Lynn Manuel in twenty fourteen, just one year

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Speaker 1: How did he even have time? I'm stressed for him.

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Speaker 2: Well, so was Disney.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: You would think that they were so excited about being

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Speaker 1: Lynn, Wait, have you seen Moana?

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Speaker 2: Never? Not even one frame?

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Speaker 2: And oh god that okay, okay, okay, Mowana are you Mowana?

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Speaker 1: Are you mooa ma wotha right?

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Speaker 1: Here comes the Egot.

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Speaker 3: Not quite yet, but soon Buffy Soon Disney had a

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Speaker 1: So no more interviewing for Lynn.

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Speaker 3: Soon Lynn was in Star Wars The Force Awakens, a

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Speaker 3: But then Lynn got the call for Mary Poppins's returns.

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Speaker 1: I feel it was really a miscast. I mean that

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Speaker 3: But that being said, this role was huge for Lynn

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Speaker 1: It did. But I'm going to say this, I Lynn,

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Speaker 1: don't be upset with me, Maimbu. I was kind of

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Speaker 1: getting tired of seeing him. Why I feel like he

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Speaker 2: I feel like they all write a book.

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Speaker 3: They're doing the morning press tour, and like that is

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Speaker 2: It's part of the job of an icon.

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Speaker 2: But I think that the Hamil fans.

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Speaker 3: Like what if you didn't love Hamilton? And I don't

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Speaker 2: But he was everywhere and Disney noticed this.

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Speaker 2: How many stages are there? Out of ten guys, we

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Speaker 3: Disney actually turned Disney Plus into like the Linn Manuel

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Speaker 1: So Lynn knew he could make the big ask.

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Speaker 3: And the soundtrack were a huge success. But the standout,

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Speaker 1: It became the number one song on the bill Board charts.

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Speaker 3: This man can deliver when it comes to lyrics and music,

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Speaker 3: for Those Urugitas for Best Original Song. You know what's

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Speaker 1: That it's going to be the remix song about Bunny

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Speaker 1: and I while I dance at our wedding.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're gonna have to fight Kendall for him, but

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Speaker 3: I am so here for that, and I fully will

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Speaker 3: what I was saying was that Those Urugitas was the

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Speaker 2: Lynn. I feel that statement so deep.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Joseph, how many times have we had to translate

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Speaker 3: Okay, Barbis streisand Ah Hovey, Mike Nichols, Rita Modano, of.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say this about Akanto. Finally there's a

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Speaker 3: It exposes all of the generational trauma that we've been

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Speaker 3: back to Lynn, right, because he is the mastermind behind

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Speaker 2: Even though he didn't win.

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Speaker 3: The Oscar It's okay, y'all, he is doing just fine

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Speaker 2: Oh, excuse me, do you know something? Do you have

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Speaker 1: On us, dish Well, I know that there's an animated

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Speaker 1: If that doesn't sound like Oscar wait to you, well, then.

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Speaker 1: Hashtag My Little Mermaid, Ali, you are Forever.

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Speaker 3: Ariel Lynn started working on the film in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: I Mean boy named his son Sebastian after the crab

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Speaker 1: Film, Lynn like can you chill? You're making us all

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Speaker 3: I am traumatized, our listeners are traumatized. During our first

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Speaker 1: And thanks for listening, And now listen to it again

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Speaker 3: In two thousand and eight, Universal bought the rights to

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Speaker 3: Fast forward to twenty sixteen, when Lynn's little founding father's project.

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Speaker 1: By the way, really, but we're always up for the

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Speaker 2: Well you're not here're not fine?

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Speaker 1: It's my birth year.

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Speaker 3: Well, Miranda decided that he would be a better fit for.

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Speaker 1: Experience, my humble short king. I loved, loved the movie.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of hate, but I loved it.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm glad we're here talking about that because I

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Speaker 3: I think that for some reason, Latinos love to hate

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Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean, It's like you know

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Speaker 3: So like, no one's ever happy like Latinos. We cannot

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Speaker 2: It was miscast, it was whitewashed.

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Speaker 1: They don't like, yeah, tell us about the backlash. So

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they didn't appreciate how it looked.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't good for the movie business. It wasn't good

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Speaker 3: for the industry. They'd already held it for so.

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Speaker 1: Long that really was a tough time.

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Speaker 3: But I thought the movie was beautiful, and as somebody

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Speaker 3: that loves this show on Broadway has seen it on Broadway,

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Speaker 3: and the fact that like Anthony rammelse got like this

451
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Speaker 3: amazing role, I mean, he's a breakout star. Like I

452
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Speaker 3: just I supported this film because I support US, I

453
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Speaker 3: support latinos, and everyone needed to get on board with that,

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Speaker 3: and sadly we all didn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well listen, I did. I'm for it. I just

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Speaker 1: loved the movie so much more for even being able

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Speaker 1: to paint that picture.

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Speaker 2: I agree again.

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Speaker 3: I think it is a celebration of one of our

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Speaker 3: many Latino cultures, and as Latinos, we need to celebrate

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Speaker 3: all of it because we as Latinos, rarely get these

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Speaker 3: moments in film where there is such a huge stage

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Speaker 3: to stand on. Just y'all show up, like buy the tickets,

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Speaker 3: be a hype man for the Gouda.

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Speaker 2: It is our job.

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Speaker 3: That is the only way we're going to get like

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Speaker 3: the Latino equivalent of like crazy rich Asians, which I

468
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Speaker 3: think a lot of people thought this could be it

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Speaker 3: Like if we don't do this, we don't support our

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Speaker 3: own We're never going to get there. Okay, I'm getting

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Speaker 3: off my soapbox. I'm going back to lind Men. While

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Speaker 3: random By now loved it, loved it so in the

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Speaker 3: heights is in the can it airs. It's not the

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Speaker 3: hit that we all wanted it to be. But one

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00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: thing we've learned throughout this entire process, whether it's his

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Speaker 3: time on stage, his time behind the camera, or his

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00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: time on screen.

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Speaker 2: Lynn does not enjoy his time off. He doesn't take

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Speaker 2: it clearly.

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Speaker 1: Before long, he was working on a new HBO show

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Speaker 1: called His Dark Materials, based off of the classic fantasy

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Speaker 1: trilogy written by Philip Pullman.

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Speaker 3: You always find so many ways to surprise me, Joseph Oh,

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Speaker 3: and you forgot to add. Lynn was also producing one

485
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Speaker 3: of my favorite shows that's ever aired, Fossey Verdon for FX.

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Speaker 1: Hands Hips has God Asss.

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Speaker 3: I love that, I love Fossy Okay, So Lynn should

488
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: have definitely called you in for this one. The show

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00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: followed the life of Broadway dancer, choreographer and director Bob

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Speaker 3: Fosse and his wife, dancer Gwen.

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Speaker 1: Verdon, starring Sam Rockwell and Michelle Williams. It was so good.

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Speaker 3: If you guys have not please please find it and

493
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Speaker 3: go and watch it.

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Speaker 1: Lynn loves being invested and involved in all his projects.

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Speaker 3: So when In the Heights came back around, it was

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Speaker 3: a bit of a surprise to everyone that not only

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Speaker 3: did he not want the starring role, but he also

498
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Speaker 3: didn't want to direct the film.

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Speaker 2: Instead, he asked John M.

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Speaker 3: Chew to step behind the camera and Lynn would shadow him.

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Speaker 2: He knew that he still had a lot.

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Speaker 1: To learn humble short pay and I happened.

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Speaker 3: To know somebody who could take a little lesson in

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Speaker 3: humbleness from Lynn.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking da yeaw.

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Speaker 3: Lynn took time to learn from Chew and observe how

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Speaker 3: a director runs a major movie set, and then he

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Speaker 3: took those lessons and applied them.

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Speaker 1: To Tick Boom, which is written by the writer of Rent.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Jonathan Larson, And y'all, this is a beautiful moment because.

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Speaker 2: Now we've come full circle.

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Speaker 3: Do you see all the parallels between Larsen and Lynn

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Speaker 3: go on. They're both composers, both chasing their dreams, fack,

514
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 3: both under pressure from life's clock.

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Speaker 1: Well, girl, I hear that clock. We're all loud, don't

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00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: we all?

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Speaker 3: And trust me, if you love Rent, you are going

518
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: to love tick tick Boom. Andrew Garfield is magical in

519
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 3: this and it never got the airtime or the buzz

520
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 3: that I hoped it would get.

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Speaker 2: But for somebody that.

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00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: Loves Broadway and loves musicals, you guys, this is like

523
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: a love letter to those artists who create them.

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Speaker 2: You've got to see this, Joseph, have you seen this?

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00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: I actually was going to tell you I haven't. I

526
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: am fascinated to want to see it because I'm coming

527
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: to realize that maybe I love lin Manuel. I didn't

528
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: realize there was so many things that I like about him,

529
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Speaker 1: and now I'm like, oh my god, all the stuff

530
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: that I really like is like has a lot to

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Speaker 1: do with Lin Manuel. So now I want to see

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Speaker 1: Tik tick Boom.

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00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what makes listening to a podcast

535
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: so fun, is that, Like you go into it being like, yeah,

536
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: I'm kind of a fan of, for example, Linn Manuel,

537
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: and then.

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Speaker 2: You see all of.

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00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: These connective tissues between projects that you love, like in Gunho,

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00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: with projects that maybe you don't know a lot about,

541
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: like tick tick Boom, and you're like, well, if he

542
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 3: created in Gunhal, then his DNA is in Gnho, which

543
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 3: means his DNA is in tick tick Boom. And just

544
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: so I can give you guys, like a little summary

545
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: about Tik tick Boom, because again, I don't feel like

546
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: it got the press that it deserved. So it's basically

547
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 3: based on this autobiographical one man show by Jonathan Larson,

548
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 3: who is the incredibly talented composer and writer of Rent

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Speaker 3: the Musical, and he actually died right before the opening

550
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: night of the show on Broadway. It's incredibly tragic. I know,

551
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: it's like literally made for a movie. And so I

552
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 3: think what people saw in Lynn and Larsen was just

553
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: a lot of parallels, a lot of similarities. They're both

554
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Speaker 3: young musical prodigies, obsessed with their work, passionate about their artistry,

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00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: and wait, here's this.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that?

557
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 3: On Miranda's seventeenth birthday he actually saw Rent and he

558
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: says it was the first time that he saw that

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Speaker 3: musicals didn't have to be about like cowboys in Oklahoma,

560
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: like Austrian's Escaping the Nazis or nineteen twenty Chicago. He

561
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: realized that musicals could actually be the stories of the

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00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: kind of people that Miranda saw every day. And just

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Speaker 3: a few years later, when he was in college, he

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00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 3: began writing and creating his Tony Award winning show in

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Speaker 3: the Heights.

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Speaker 1: Wait, look, I'm going to tell you this. You know

567
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Speaker 1: how I think Selina's spirit went into j Lo did

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Speaker 1: Larsen go into Lynn? I'm done for any of the

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Speaker 1: podcast about podcast is over. Thank you so much. You're

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Speaker 1: staying on our next.

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Speaker 2: Episode of becoming an Icon.

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Speaker 3: Through this journey, we've seen Lynn Manuel Miranda go from

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Speaker 3: young and scrappy in this like hungry Puerto Rican teen

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00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: raised in Inwood to this global cultural phenomenon and beyond

575
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 3: the projects that he created or helped in producing and writing,

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00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: He's become a voice for those desiring a shift, like

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00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: a seismic shift in the industry.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm going to tell you this. He

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00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: still hasn't called me back, and I think I might

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Speaker 1: cut him out of becoming an icon.

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00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: The musical Oh wait, are we saying now?

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Speaker 1: It's what the people want these days, lil.

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00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: I don't know that they want a musical version of

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00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 3: this podcast, but you know what, we will put it

585
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: out there. And if we are looking for a producer

586
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: and a writer and a composer, Lynn, you're number one

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Speaker 3: on the call.

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Speaker 1: She.

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Speaker 3: All we know is that Lynn's work is going to

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Speaker 3: live forever.

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00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: Yes, Hamilton will go on and on and on, but

592
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: also Awana and then cut the Wild too.

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00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: An entire generation of people will grow up listening to

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Speaker 3: his music and be inspired by that.

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Speaker 1: What could possibly be more iconic than.

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00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: That becoming an icon?

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00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: The musical starring Jlo Shakira, Lynn, Ritchy Bad Bunny, Oh

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Speaker 3: my God, Are we taking it on tour?

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00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: Are we going to a stage near you?

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Speaker 1: Billion Airs Billionaires?

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Speaker 3: Next on Becoming an Icon another triple threat singer, actor, dancer.

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Speaker 1: And a downright inspiration to all.

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00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: He blew open the doors for every Latino artist out

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00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: there now. Enrique Martin Morales aka Ricky Martin. Becoming an

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Speaker 3: Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael dudda podcast network.

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Speaker 3: Listen to Becoming an Icon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast,

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Speaker 3: or wherever you get your podcast