1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. I tell kids all the time whenever 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: I meete a kid, you know, and it's how do 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: I get into this business? Bud, I say the same thing. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: It's like the look if you ever wake up one 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: morning and you have a strange fascination with, you know, arugula, 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: and you think to yourself, God, I could market the 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: world's greatest arugula. I can make a strain that's like 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: hybrid arugular or something, and every Whole Foods and Trader 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: Joe's will be all over it. Go make your damn arugula, 10 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: because this is brutal. 11 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: I'm Lynn Hoffman, and welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast, 12 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: the podcast where we explore the power of music to 13 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: heal and help anyone in need. On this episode, a 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: brilliant songwriter, producer, and musician who has worked with an 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: incredible dare I say almost unbelievable roster of stars from 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: just about every musical genre, ranging from Panic at the Disco, 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: One Direction, Katie Perry, Billy Idel, Weezer, Blues Traveler, Macklemore, 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 2: Train ringo Star. I could probably keep going and then 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: the podcast would be over and he wouldn't even be 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: able to talk. He's also a massive supporter of the 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: incredible organization known as Musicians on Call, which we are 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 2: as well. Welcome Sam Hollander, Welcome to music. 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: See hey, apologize and advance for any barking dogs or sneezing. 24 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: But that's okay. Pollen count, the pollen count is not 25 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: working my favorite this hour. But I do believe in 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: the potential of zertech. 27 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: So let's go aga and greatness, which you are? All right, Well, 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: let's just jump right in, okay, Sam. Do you believe 29 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: music and songs have supernatural healing powers for those with mental, physical, 30 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: or say emotional problems? 31 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: Oh? 32 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely. You know I've always, uh, I've always used music 33 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: as a form of catharsist for myself, both my own 34 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: art and also you know, as a fan growing up. 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, as a child, I always felt misunderstood, 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: as we all do in those years, and so music 37 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: was this sort of the soundtrack to the unrequited for me. 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: So whatever I was spiraling in my psyche, up and 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: down and up and down, music was the one thing 40 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: that elevated me. And you know, I think one of 41 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: the what really attracts me to music as a songwriter. 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: One thing that really dig is the notion that I 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: can provide sort of uplifting, sort of aspirational stuff that 44 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: I really write for myself because I'm just trying to 45 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: stitch any broken mechanisms inside of myself, you know. But 46 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: at the same time, I do think that if it 47 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: reacts and I've you know, maybe altered someone's day the 48 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: slightest bit, it's a great job in the world, you know. 49 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Is there a specific litmus test or for example, 50 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: when you're writing or producing a song and you're arranging 51 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: the music, is there a place where you can tell 52 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: that you're going to evoke a certain emotion in someone? 53 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: Is that is that the secret sauce? Is there a 54 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 2: secret sauce? 55 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's some sort of galvanic response that happens. 56 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: Right the songs that I think, at least in my 57 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: in my life that have h have raised their hands 58 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: and sort of done something and maybe actualized in a 59 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: shape or form, I would say I always I always 60 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: knew that there was something there. I don't think I've 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: ever really been surprised, And it's sort of hard to 62 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: articulate what the what the special sauce is. You're just 63 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: there's a feeling in the room when the melody and 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: the lyric sort of twists their way around a chord 65 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: and it just hits and you feel that a motive moment. 66 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: I remember this song, this Kidna in banners from London 67 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: via Canada or Canada via London. There we go and 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: you know, he came to the studio and we wrote 69 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: a song called someone to You. It's Me. This is 70 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: Michael's Me, Michael and Grant. Michael's strange. But what was 71 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: so interesting about it is I knew by the time 72 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: we landed the chorus that the song was special and 73 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: it had the deck stack against it was one of 74 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: those songs. This was not gonna be a lay up 75 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: new artists, no real backstory to date, blah blah blah. 76 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: But there was something about it that just you could 77 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: just feel emotively that this was going to just, you know, 78 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: elevate someone's daily experience. And that's what we do. You know, 79 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: I don't write a lot of dark stuff because truthfully, 80 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: the world is as complex and messy as it is. 81 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't think I need to be another voice sort 82 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: of harping on that. I'd rather just try to, you know, 83 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: up put a little bit of a little bit of 84 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: positive energy out there. Even I like the sweet and sour, 85 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: and sometimes I get my little jabs and my little 86 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: you know, steely dan guy. Right. So I grew up 87 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: listening to doll Fagan with all the yah, with all 88 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: the you know, with all the the little you know, 89 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: the little jabs that he was able to work into 90 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: songs that were jazzy, but yet the core were so 91 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: dark and sort of interesting and funny. I like humor 92 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: in my music, but at the same time, it's gotta 93 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to at the end of the day, 94 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to, you know, stay somewhat aspirational or something 95 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: to that effect. 96 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, interesting, speaking of that, what what would 97 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: go through your mind during those moments when something that 98 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: you were involved with so intimately to create impact someone 99 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: in in such a in a positive way or an 100 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: emotional way. 101 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Well, when like people, uh slide into my dms, the 102 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: youth says, and they dip into my dams. It's invariably 103 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: a really beautiful note and it's very sweet, and it's 104 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: somebody who was affected and they sort of tell that, 105 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, the given narrative, and they tell me how 106 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: it affected them, and it's it's incredible, Like you know what, 107 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: there there are many jobs that you know, they're they're 108 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: all these there are all these incredible jobs and vocations 109 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: that bring tons of joy to people, and it's just 110 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: nice to know that music can be one of them. 111 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: You know, the music can sort of affect the psyche 112 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: in that way. And you know, so I'm always very 113 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 1: moved to be upset, honest with you, it's very uh, 114 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: it's it's humbling, and it's you know, it just it 115 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: makes me want to get up and write in another one. 116 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: You know, in what way do you do you feel 117 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: that music gives people hope? And have you ever personally 118 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,559 Speaker 2: used music to help yourself through? Say it difficult, Lina? 119 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: Did you see what I look like? Right? So? It 120 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: was an a handsome guy. No, I was uphill battle 121 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: from birth. And I will tell you and you know, 122 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: in the Canadian days, in these in my formative years, 123 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: I uh, you know, I think I modeled myself ester 124 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: sort of a slightly more muscle bound version of John 125 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: Cryer as Ducky, you know. And I had the pork 126 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: pie hats, and I had vadoras and I had all 127 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: these things, and I was a strange character, you know, 128 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: who was so lost. And I think the if I 129 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: were to find myself through four years of high school 130 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: beyond uh, you know, academically challenged, I would say, you know, 131 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: it was just one unrequited relationship after another, and you know, 132 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: music got me through it. Like I said, music was 133 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: that it answered the questions. I felt like every lyricist 134 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: before me sort of paved a path. And you know, 135 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: I would listen to the torture of or Robert Smith, 136 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: or I would listen to, you know, the playfulness of 137 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: Tropical Quester Dea La Soul and r Em was my 138 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: favorite band of all, and I didn't even know what 139 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: he was saying, but it just I liked the word 140 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: play and it sounded interesting. But I would play almost 141 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: it was almost like Jenga lyrically, right, so it is 142 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: where you what's the one where you mad lips, mad lips. 143 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 1: It's almost like madlips right where. I would take types 144 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: of lyrics I had no idea was saying, so I 145 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: would just figure out and just guess them. To me, 146 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: they were all torture. Bob Mould Hohoscredoo was probably my 147 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: favorite lyricist in high school was probably between Fagan and 148 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: Mold and I think both they were great. They were great. 149 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: They were great at chronicling the teen experience and sort 150 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: of growing up and coming of age and cities and 151 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: things like that, and you know it, so I would say, 152 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, that got me through and I whenever I 153 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: meet somebody who was sort of is so embedded in 154 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: my mental playlist. I fanboy at such a level because 155 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: I just can't believe that these pay the way and 156 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm just lucky to have hitched on the bandwagon. It's awesome, 157 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: the best. 158 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: So what do you think the world would look like 159 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: without music? I know that's a well big question. 160 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: What do the kids call them NPCs? You know, not 161 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: like non playing character or whatever. It's a video game 162 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: term about being very basic. The world would be very basic. 163 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: It's like it's the color and it's the colorful characters 164 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: and you know, look, music to me was the original 165 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: short form content, right. It was just three minutes of perfection. 166 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: I was never a prog guy, right because prog came 167 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: along and with these songs are twenty five minutes long. 168 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to do anything to do with 169 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: this let's let's whack it down and make it you know, 170 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: two minutes and forty seconds of July. But I don't. 171 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: I just I can't envision it because it's been embedded 172 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: in my DNA since I was three. When I, you know, 173 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: I was listening to Blossom Deary records with my mom. 174 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: She was a big Blossom Deary fan, and we would 175 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: sit and listen to these like vocal jazz records. That 176 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: was three or four, and I just loved what was 177 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: going on melodically, Gateway to Magic by Pilot, you know, 178 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: better known as the Ozembic song. No, it's obviously that's 179 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: where people really it's really caught on a magical single. 180 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: But that was the first single I ever dug, and 181 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: I grew up on all this k Tel stuff and 182 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: then that morphed into all these genres and they're all, 183 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, I just can't imagine life without them. I mean, 184 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, the first thing I do when I get 185 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: in the car is turn on Serious. The first thing 186 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: I do, you know or Z one hundred? My man 187 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: Maxwell like that? Shat uh, my man Maxwell. He gave 188 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: me a hug. It's very sweet guy, very sweet. 189 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: When you were younger or older? 190 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: Oh, no, like four days ago. 191 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: Are you sure you're not also a comedian on the side. 192 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: Oh? 193 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: Is that a part of writing is that you have 194 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: really good timing? 195 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: No matter what, it's not me, it's the decongestent. 196 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: All right, that's rights zertech. How did you first become 197 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: associated with the fine folks at Musicians on Call? And 198 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: if you wouldn't mind indulging us on what it was 199 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: like witnessing firsthand being involved. 200 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: With Well, it's funny. I go back to the early 201 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: days of the organization because I was started by Victuari 202 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: and Michael Solomon, who were people unknown socially since we 203 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: were all in our twenties together, mid twenties. I remember 204 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: when they launched, and you know, it's a very kooky story. 205 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: I loved their mission. I support it completely, but I 206 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily involved boots on on the ground. And then 207 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: when my father was in his last days, he was 208 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: at Mount sign I in the cancer word, and I 209 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: went to visit him one day and I heard an 210 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: acoustic guitar in the next room, and I peeked around 211 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: the corner and there was a man who was easily 212 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: and octagenarian to put it mildly strumming acoustic, and it 213 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: looked like one of these old Greenwich village folkcats that 214 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: you see in documentaries, you know. And he was playing 215 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: for a woman who had to be nine the thing. 216 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: And when he finished, he walked down the hall and 217 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'm so sorry to bother you, 218 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: but uh, what's your story? Are you related or whatever? 219 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: And he said no, he said, I'm with the charity 220 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: musicians on call. And I had chills because I really 221 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: felt that that moment had just been completely placed there 222 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: from some weird divine spirit. It just didn't make it. 223 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: It just was so one. It was. It was a 224 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,599 Speaker 1: one in a million moments. So I instantly got involved, 225 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: and I got on the advisory board and I'm on 226 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: the board of directors. And look, you know, uh, we 227 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: visited patients with my Christmas band, the Band of Merrymakers, 228 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: and we performed at hospitals on both coasts. We wrote 229 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: original songs with kids and it's it's the heaviest work 230 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: I've ever done. Nothing competes with it. It's uh, it's a 231 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: labor of love. And there, you know, when you talk 232 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: about how music impacts people, it's the most powerful thing 233 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: in the world. You can see it just manages stress 234 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: and alleviating pain and improving blood pressure and all these 235 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: it's just scientific information. You just know it. It's true. Music, 236 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, is therapeutic, and so to play a role 237 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: in that is it's incredible, absolutely incredible. I absolutely adore 238 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: the organization and top to bottom also probably the nicest 239 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: people I've ever worked with an a capacity. If Record 240 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: Labels had the energy of MOC, we'd be in to 241 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: be a better world. 242 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: So it's there there. We love them and we're so 243 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: grateful that they're a part of our world because it 244 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: just makes me feel like, although I can't do what 245 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: you do, at least I can talk about it and 246 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: spread the word. 247 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: Look, then the truth is, no one really needs to 248 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: see me perform, right, It's like my charm is behind 249 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: a curtain. But if my words and you know, we 250 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: can sing Christmas songs and do things like that, and 251 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: if I can help with awareness and I can get 252 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: my friends to play at Christmas show, et cetera, it's really, uh, 253 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I feel like I'm 254 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: doing I'm doing the right thing. Yeah, you want, I'm 255 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: paying something forward. That, you know, I'm proud. It's great. 256 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: Besides the fact learning that you were babysat for a 257 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: short amount of time by Andy Warhol, which obviously is 258 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: a story for another time. I also read that your 259 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: uncle was a famous American poet and literary critic named 260 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: John Hollander, and I read that you once said that 261 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: you didn't often connect with him when you were growing up. 262 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: And it seems strange to me, because you would think 263 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: writing would be hereditary and that everyone would just automatically 264 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: know having an uncle like that, Did you ever connect 265 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: with him? And if so, was music the connector eventually? 266 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: Uh? No, it was Yankee baseball? 267 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: But uh oh interesting, Yeah, you know, John was a 268 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: you know, I came from a very strange family pictures 269 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: sort of the royal tantembaumbs or something to that effect, 270 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 3: where you know, my dad was an incredible modern dancer 271 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: with those Ala Loane professional at eighteen and then went 272 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: back to school architect with Philip Johnson, did all this 273 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 3: mid century modern stuff, and then a professor for the 274 00:13:58,880 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 3: rest of his life. 275 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: Mom working with Warhol and writing for Interview magazine. She's 276 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: the home first and I believe only female sports writer 277 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: ever for Interview magazine because in the midst of some 278 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: sort of psychotic breakdown, she said, I want to write 279 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: about sports and the psychology behind sports because I just 280 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: don't get this. And I think Gandy was puzzled, but 281 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: let her run with it. So that was neat. And 282 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, everyone in my family had a realer We 283 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: all had artistic bents of different sorts, you know, And 284 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: you know with John, I mean John was you know, 285 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: my parents were so heady, my uncle was so hetty, 286 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: and it was sometimes hard to connect with him because, 287 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: like I said, I was so massively adhd in a 288 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: time of the eighties when we didn't know what that was. 289 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: It was so you were just deemed a colossal screw up. 290 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: And what happens with that, of course, it's a self 291 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: defeating prophecy, right you start to believe I become it, 292 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: I manifested. You want to screw up, I'll be as 293 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: screw up. So graduate at the bottom of my high 294 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: school three colleges and two semesters, which I still believe 295 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: is very hard to pull off. Yeah, that's a flex 296 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, and I just, uh, it was, uh so 297 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: it would be it was very hard to connect on 298 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: any aesthetic level with these people who were just so 299 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: beyond me at that age. But as time went on, 300 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I I really I like to 301 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: I think I earned some real respect in my family, 302 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: and you know, I think the number one thing was 303 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: my tenacity. You know, I just I wanted it so bad. 304 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to write songs that that entered some semblance 305 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: of a zeitgeist. Right. I just wanted to hear a 306 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: song in a movie, or hear it in a stadium, 307 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: or hear it on the radio, because I was completely 308 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: raised on radios one, so I just wanted to hear 309 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: these uh. I wanted to hear these songs. And I 310 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: that that was I think the I think the one 311 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: redeeming character trait that I have because some stink, but 312 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: one I would say was I'm really Uh, I do 313 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: put the work in and I'm very passionate about my art, 314 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: and I think in my family, I think that's pretty respected. 315 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: So it was neat and didn't. 316 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: Didn't so much in the Eagles call him up and 317 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: he needed to consult with you about it. 318 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the last years of my life, my own 319 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: got an email from Don Henley and Don Henley had 320 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: set one of his poems to music, and they put 321 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: it on the hell Freeze Over record. I believe, oh 322 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: that little record, Yeah, yeah, is that whatever? Whatever? The 323 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: Walmart was in two thousand and seven, and you know, 324 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: the record did two three million copies. Whatever. I had 325 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: never I was just about to have my first hit 326 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: with the Gym Class Heroes, and I'm finally like feeling 327 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: like I've done it. And my uncle, who at that 328 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: time was in his eighties, is on a bigger record 329 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: and never written, not a record before, so you know, 330 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: it's you know, I equate the music business with waking 331 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: up every single morning walking outside picture you're on you know, 332 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: Seventh Avenue South, any downtown, you walk outside of your building, 333 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: you get hit by a cab every single day for 334 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: thirty years, and every single day you have to wake 335 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: up and dust yourself off and go create art. Because 336 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: that's what it's like. I just say, you know, the 337 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: fear I have when I wake up in the morning 338 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: of just looking at you for something falling through or 339 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: something being rejected, et cetera. It can really do a 340 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: damage to your morale. So I would say, yeah, I'm 341 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: proudest of the fact that I can still get up 342 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: every single day. And now you know I'm geriatric, but 343 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: I still got it. 344 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: Let's not go that far. We're born in the nine Well, 345 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: you've put together a book called I Love the title 346 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: of your book twenty one hit wonder, Flopping my way 347 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: to the top of the charts, adventures and songwriting. Can 348 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 2: you explain a little bit about what one would read 349 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: when they open the pages of the book? 350 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: I can, I can. You know, I wrote this book 351 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: because first of all, it was completing what I felt 352 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: at the beginning on the onset, I felt like I 353 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: was competing, completing my dad's journey. There was a part 354 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: there was there was a hole in his life where 355 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: he to me at least, which then I resolved towards 356 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: the end of the book. But you know, he began 357 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: writing a book when I was seven, and he never 358 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: finished it. Forty years later he passed and he would 359 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: just come back to it and then put it down. 360 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: And you know, it was it was nothing that I 361 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: could ever stitch together. And it gutted me, to be 362 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: honest with you, I was absolutely crushed, because you know, 363 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: he was this brilliant man. I felt like I felt 364 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: like the world never really got to know, you know, 365 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: the extent of his genius. And so that's why I started, 366 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: because I felt for my daughter. You know, I have 367 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: one kid, and you know, she's musical, and I felt, 368 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: you know, she should really understand a little bit of 369 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: the family backstory and also what what hard work is 370 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: and more appropriately, what failure is, because you know, I 371 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: when you read the names of the people I've collaborated with, 372 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: there's some of these songs. It's very moving for me. 373 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: But it all happened after the age of thirty five, 374 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: and up to thirty five, I'm bang grupting every label 375 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: in the business. We went flop after flop after flop, 376 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: and that gets lost. And what happens is what I've 377 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: learned about in entertainment. You know, it's funny come tight 378 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: with Chuck D and great great guy, Public Enemy and 379 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: Chuck D. You know he knows more daybuddy. You know, 380 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: the industry just buries carcasses of failure. Right. We don't 381 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: talk about these things. Right, So whenever I read a 382 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: puff piece, and like Chuck, Chuck really reads entertainment books, 383 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: which I thought was fascinating because I do too. And 384 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: I've always felt like maybe I'm living myself. But you know, 385 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing about you know, eighteen seventies, you know Prague 386 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: that I can get through my adhd is that's severe, Lenn. 387 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: So I have to get through these entertainment homes. And 388 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: one thing I'd say is they're all a humble brag. 389 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: Every book I read is a humble brag that tends 390 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: to be like a couple of moments of duress and failure. 391 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: Maybe one you overcame one thing and then suddenly it's like, oh, 392 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: in surprise, and then well, let's spike the ball the 393 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: next two hundred fifty pages. And what I wanted to 394 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: do was really harp on all these records that I made. 395 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the first six albums that I produced for 396 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: artists didn't get released. One came out, the six came 397 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: out in September eleventh, two thousand and one, and ended 398 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: a career right there. But I ruined so many people's careers. 399 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: And the truth is I really played a massive role 400 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: in it in terms of just and what I excavate 401 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: these projects and talk about my role. It's not I'm 402 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: not blaming people or blaming the arts of the labels 403 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: or anything. It's really you know, judgment calls that I 404 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: made and missed one, and that's what I wanted to 405 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: write about. Make it just give people a little bit 406 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: of a manual on how do you survive something where 407 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: the deck is decked against you every day of the 408 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: week for decades. And that's what I did. And I 409 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 1: just felt like I felt like, you know, in this 410 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: new generation of kids who are gonna have to compete 411 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: with AI, which is going to take such a chunk 412 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: out of the marketplace. And you know, and the fact 413 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: that the democra reization music, everybody has the tools to 414 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: make their meeting. Everyone has a recording studio in their house. 415 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: That think about that. When I was a kid, Neil 416 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: Minsky lived in Pound Ridge and he had a four 417 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: track and he was the coolest kid in the world. 418 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: He had a four track. I've never seen anything like it. Like, 419 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: no one had gear. You know, Now everybody can do 420 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: it on their laptop. It's built in garage band comes 421 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: to the laptop. You know, these kids are working on 422 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: logic at the age of eight nine, so it's so 423 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: competitive now. And then you have to hit the algorithm 424 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: of TikTok and all these other things to even be heard, 425 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: so we're in These are truly crazy days. So the 426 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: one thing is I just wanted to sort of give 427 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of a blueprint for anybody who's like 428 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: me out there, who is still struggling to figure out 429 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: and just understand that it will happen. But you have 430 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: to stick it out and you gotta you really do 431 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: have to put the work in. 432 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 2: So true and so lost today on just about everyone. 433 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: So definitely welcome, welcome inform it and if they're willing 434 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 2: to put in the time to listen. But many artists 435 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: I've interviewed through the years have said that they wrote 436 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: the hit song that they really got well known for. 437 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: They wrote for themselves, arranged for themselves what they liked, 438 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: what they wanted to hear, and then we're shocked to 439 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: find that it actually resonated with so many people. Is 440 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 2: that still something that happens today, do you think? 441 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: Well? Truthfully, I'm shape shifting and with every artist that 442 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: I collaborate with because I'm trying to avoid instilling my 443 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: will on them. Instead, I'm trying my best to be 444 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: a coach, a guide, you know, I'm trying to get 445 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: them over the top and work. Yes, I work from 446 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: there and just sort of trying to figure out where 447 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: they're at in the process. You know, I work with 448 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: some people who are incredibly lyrical and so they don't 449 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: need me in that end of it, and that's really 450 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: my specialty is I'm pretty quick with a pen. But 451 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: then you know what, then then I instantly read the 452 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: room and I shift over to where the melodies sit 453 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: and making sure the melodies are working and blah blah 454 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, making sure that conceptually tight. Other writers 455 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: aren't particularly lyrical, or I'm getting them on a day 456 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: that they're just burnt out, they have nothing, but they 457 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: want to give it a go. And I'm coming in 458 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: the room with two or three completely finished, fleshed out 459 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: ideas before I didn't sit down with them, and I 460 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: sing them to the artist because you know, I'm going 461 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: to shoot my shot anyway I can. And that's landed 462 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: some really successful songs too. There's no rhyme or reason 463 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: to it. But the one thing I would say is 464 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: these songs aren't written for me necessarily. There's inside jokes. Sure, 465 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: you know they're you know, high hopes, panga disco. You 466 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: know those verses are I wrote the verses on that song, 467 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: and there's great co writers on that song across the board. 468 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: Everybody did a great job. But you know, I wrote 469 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: the verses and the verses in that song where in 470 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: my head I made a through line between a dialogue 471 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: that I have with my mom when I was very young, 472 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: and then the second verse is me sort of giving 473 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: my same interpretation of that dollar to my daughter or 474 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: she was coming up and so so I tried to 475 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: connect the generational divide because they never got to know 476 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: each other. My mom passed, my daughter was so young, 477 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: so I thought this was a way to sort of, 478 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, bring them together forever, and that that's why 479 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: I wrote that so song, it's pretty heavy for me. 480 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: And even though you hear it in sort of like 481 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: this bombastic, sort of you know, bouncy number, at the 482 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: core of it, I'd like to think there's a lot 483 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: of heart because the message is very real. 484 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: So well, I have to know what went through your 485 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 2: mind when you weren't going to write necessarily a song 486 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 2: with Ringo Star a Beatle, but you were going to 487 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: pitch being a co writer with him. How does one 488 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 2: even feel when they're ringing the doorbell at Ringo Star's 489 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: house and you have to go in and make a 490 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: pitch that he's going to work with you. 491 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: So I'll go through. I'd love it. 492 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: Well. 493 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: I'd love to tell you that there was a high 494 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: degree of intimidation. But the strangest attribute I have beyond 495 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: tenacity is and I think this, this is formed when 496 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm a kid, with being around Warhole and these worlds 497 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: and you know, and spending my you know, working with 498 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: Carol King in my twenties who really mentored me and 499 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: helped me out, and Nile Rogers and Paul Williams and 500 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: all these people who were these incredible beacons for me 501 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: and sort of just guided my journey. I I'm rarely intimidated, 502 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: and I think that's probably my greatest skill. It doesn't 503 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: really matter who I walk in a room with. But 504 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm hard to shake. And I always say I'm sort 505 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: of like something that crawls on your shower curtain. Try 506 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: to wash it down, but it just it just doesn't 507 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. I sort of stick. I'll stick it out. 508 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: So I would say with Ringo, I'm excited, sure, massively 509 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: excited everything you know, I mean chills, But the flip 510 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: side was very focused and he grilled me. He grilled me, 511 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: and he was tough, and he's very snarky, very funny, 512 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: so witty, he's he's an incredible guy. 513 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: And was your heart being out of your chest or 514 00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: you were fine? 515 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: You were? 516 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: You were? 517 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: I was okay, I was okay. I was more star 518 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: struck by you Lynn. Come on. So you know Ringo 519 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: is so twenty twenty three, but I uh no, I 520 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I uh I had a 521 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: very measured take on it. I was excited. But the 522 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: flip side was I was really hyper focused on having 523 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: a song with Ringo because I had done songs with 524 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: Mike g Love and the Beach Boys sing them live, 525 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: and I have to say to be able to say 526 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: I did something in the orbit of the Beach Boys 527 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: and the Beatles, I'll take it. Yeah, you know, pretty cool, 528 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: And so it was really about dialing it in. And 529 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, since then, I think I've done five songs 530 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: of Ringos something like that, and it's always a blast. 531 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: And he is this this beautiful fella who is in 532 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: better physical shape than I am. And it's heartbreaking to 533 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: watch because he's like bouncing up and down while I'm 534 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: sort of slump slumped in the chair. So yeah, a 535 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: little bueler sir tech sech search up buler BEUTLERU, guys, 536 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: the guy's super talented. 537 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: Well spanning your successful career, which is is pretty amazing. 538 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: Is there one kis mid moment that stands out to 539 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 2: you the most working with someone and if you could 540 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: share what that is, I know you get that probably 541 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: a lot. But in the song making process that you were. 542 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: Well, I think the song that I it's the song 543 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: that I have a weird, very very very deep emotional 544 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: connection to is handclap by Fits in the Tantrums and 545 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: it's truly rooted in the fact of tenacity. You know. 546 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: I was a huge fan of the EP when they 547 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: first dropped their first EP, and I thought money Grabber 548 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: was the coolest thing ever. And you know, I googled them, 549 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: I google fits and I realized we were born a 550 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: couple months apart and just like us, like our generational 551 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: connection was so deep. And I could tell that he 552 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: was referencing you know, ABC and Smoky things like all 553 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: these you know, records of the time, you know, and 554 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: I felt like I've ever had a chance to get 555 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: in a room with him I would I would hit 556 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: it out of the park. And it took seven years 557 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: between meeting him the first time to finally getting a session, 558 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: and I had to work angles. And I have to 559 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: say my buddy Kevin griff and one of my best friends, 560 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: who's a better than Ezra. He made the connection, he 561 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: said because Fits sang on our band of Merrymaker's Christmas record, 562 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: and I when in five minutes with Fits, I knew 563 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: I was going to write a hit. I felt it. 564 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: I felt like we would write something very special together 565 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: because we just there was such a shared affinity, but 566 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: yet there were slight there were just like divergent paths 567 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: musically that felt would be great. Like he's more of 568 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: a pop guy. I would say, I'm more of like 569 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: a disco or soul guy. And so we met in 570 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: the middle and fused this strange song together. And it's 571 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: a very strange song, but it's that one means the 572 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: most to me because I really like I fought for it, 573 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: and I don't know, for some reason, I think it 574 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: just lives on more than the rest of the stuff. 575 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: It feels like the one that I hear it every day, 576 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: and that's pretty cool. 577 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: What do you most proud of Sam regarding your music 578 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: and your legacy. 579 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: I'm proudest to the fact that I was able to 580 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: spend my life making noise and there were so few 581 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: other lanes for me as a human, and I didn't 582 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: have any other interests. You know. I tell kids all 583 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: the time. Whenever I meet a kid, you know, and 584 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: they say, oh, how do I get into this business? Bubbah, 585 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: I say the same thing. It's like, Look, if you 586 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: ever wake up one morning and you have a strange 587 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: fascination with, you know, arugula, and you think to yourself, God, 588 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: I could market the world's greatest arugula. I can make 589 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: a strain that's like hybrid arugular or something, and every 590 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: Whole Foods and Trader Joe's will be all over it. 591 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: Go make your damn arugula. Because this is brutal, and 592 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: to do this with your life is uh. There's a 593 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: level of masochism that people could never understand it. And 594 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: so the fact that I survived thus far and I've 595 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: been doing it this long and I am I still 596 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: am excited every single day I wake up and you know, 597 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm like this weird, stunted man child. I'm like you know, 598 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: I just every day, I just wake up and there's 599 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: an idea and it's sort of emanating. I'm trying to 600 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: figure out how to get it out of my head. 601 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: And it's a puzzle. And these are like these strange puzzles. 602 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: And I go for tons of walks in my town. 603 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: People see me walking everywhere, and I think it's a 604 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: little bit of a NodD visual, but you know, truly, 605 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm in my head all day long, just trying to 606 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: crack the puzzle and put it down on paper. And 607 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: if it never sees the lad to day, it's fine, 608 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: but I have to get it out. And the fact 609 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: that I was given the luxury to do this for 610 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: this many years is it's incredible. 611 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,239 Speaker 2: What would you tell someone one piece of advice of 612 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 2: all the great advice in sage wisdom that you've accumulated 613 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: in this. 614 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you I was blessed. I'm sure you were too. 615 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: I can hear in your voice. I was blessed with 616 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: supportive parents, right. I had parents and an infrastructure around 617 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: me of people who were cheering for me as a human. 618 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: And I was encouraged to color outside the lines. And 619 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: I just feel like a lot of people who pack 620 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: it in early don't have that support system. And it 621 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: can be as simple as finishing a song and playing 622 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: it for your friends and they diss it and or 623 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: they just look away unenthused and it's soul crushing, right. 624 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: Or you tell your parents you want to get it 625 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: into the music business entertainment industry, and the look of 626 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: horror on their faces because they don't understand how you 627 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: won't be homeless. You know. The one thing I would 628 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: say is if I could do it, anybody can do it. 629 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: And I started out with minimal skills, like a creative 630 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: kid with very suspect skills, and I put in the 631 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: ten thousand hours, the glad Welly and hours, and I 632 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: just kept going and going and going and harnessing and 633 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: changing and changing the way I approached my work and 634 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: changing genres and trying to find out where I fit 635 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: into the musical landscape. And I believe anybody can do it. 636 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: I just think you have to silence negative voices and 637 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: just have a singular focus on the fact that you 638 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: might just be great at something and you got to 639 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: you got to play it through. 640 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: So choose optimism that will that will get you through 641 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: any most everything basic. 642 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, I don't want to sound like an 643 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: Up with People record, but it's, uh, it's just choose. 644 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm such a glass half empty person with every but 645 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: everything right in terms of I'm watching the Knicks last 646 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: night and I'm thinking to myself, there's zero way that 647 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: win this game. I'm just exasperating. I'm about to turn 648 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: the channel and one of the greatest comebacks I've ever saying, 649 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: I've always been that guy. I'm very negative. I think 650 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: it's like very Jewish, self deprecating and just sort of 651 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: having just be self aware enough to know that the 652 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: movie usually ends bad. The flip side is pressed that 653 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: with your art, with your art, believe that you can 654 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: do it, and you can that. 655 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: I've never heard that spin that you just put on 656 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: that that was just amazing because I'm thinking to myself, 657 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: where is this going? I mean, if he's negative, which 658 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: I totally, I mean, this is the plight of my 659 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: daily routine. It's just can you just see. 660 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: The positive side of it? 661 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: I do, But with everything else, pure optimism, everything that 662 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 2: you want to know and learn, it's like one hundred 663 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 2: percent optimistic. 664 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just also another thing that's really important 665 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: is stay in your generation. You know, I think about 666 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: my mom, who was probably the sharpest cat I ever knew. Right, 667 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: my mom was freakishly bright. But my mom had a 668 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: fascination with Victorian era, you know, England, and I really 669 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: think she wanted to live in Victorian era England. And 670 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: I think she was crestfallen that that wasn't going to happen. 671 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: And she was very late to the internet, right, she 672 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: was very late to cell phones and all these things 673 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: before she passed. You know, I've always I understood it 674 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: and I got it. But the flip side was my 675 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: tact is I'm want to stay up on things and 676 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: I want to be on top of it. I'm taking 677 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: an AI class this summer just to understand how people 678 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: think and how it's going to impact, you know, creativity, 679 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: et cetera, because I just I don't want to feel irrelevant, 680 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, I want to know that there are ways 681 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: to implement tools and make great art any and as 682 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,720 Speaker 1: it evolves. And I think AI in our lifetime outside 683 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: of the Internet, is the craziest thing we've ever encountered. 684 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: I don't I think there are people who just don't 685 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: understand what we're about to see and I'm sure there's 686 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: a lot of negative with it, but there is some 687 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: positive too. 688 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 2: So just on that note, can I ask you one 689 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 2: more question? Because I know I'm already overstaying my welcome 690 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: coers The Beatles McCartney putting out the new song with 691 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 2: Lennon on it through the advances of AI, How did 692 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: you feel about that? 693 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: Just curious once again, But you know, I'm not a purist. 694 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, I've heard a lot of 695 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: songs recently of older artists who I feel like are 696 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: using AI to you know, come up with something new 697 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: and sort of reinvigorate it. I can kind of hear 698 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: through it sometimes, and you know what, if it brings 699 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: people joy? Who am I to? Who am I to 700 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: rip it down? It's like, you know, I just I 701 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: just think it's crazy that we have these you know, 702 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: these uh, the abilities to do this, and the software 703 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: I've been messing around with. It's insane. I enter in 704 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: lyric prompts and very detailed lyric sheets and what comes 705 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: out might be better than my melodic writing, and it 706 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: eats me a little bit. But the flip side is 707 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, WHOA, that's pretty good. All right, so I 708 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: can from this now, yeah, maybe exactly. That was six 709 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: seconds so straight, so it's evolving out of a speed 710 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: of it. I've never seen aything like it, but that 711 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's a negative to me. It just feels like, 712 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, utilize it as a strength. People were scared, 713 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, drummers were scared of drum machines. Well you 714 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: know what, people still record drummers. We've seen all of 715 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: this and sure, this is crazier and the capabilities are endless, 716 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: but I don't know, learn learn from it. 717 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 2: Don't hide good advice, very good advice. Thanks Sam, thank 718 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 2: you so much. 719 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: Thank you seriously, and anything you need, I'm here. But 720 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: it hit me up. Okay, feel better, Thank you,