1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:21,155 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. This 2 00:00:21,315 --> 00:00:24,315 Speaker 1: is about the story of Donald Trump and e Jen 3 00:00:24,555 --> 00:00:28,875 Speaker 1: Carroll and the story of Donald Trump and Taylor Swift, 4 00:00:28,995 --> 00:00:34,155 Speaker 1: because ultimately they are the same story. There is every 5 00:00:34,235 --> 00:00:37,115 Speaker 1: chance that you have never considered e Gen Carroll and 6 00:00:37,195 --> 00:00:40,395 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift in the same sentence. But they are at 7 00:00:40,395 --> 00:00:43,995 Speaker 1: the core of what Trump is and the cancer he 8 00:00:44,035 --> 00:00:48,675 Speaker 1: has tapped into and then spread among people in this country. 9 00:00:48,795 --> 00:00:52,755 Speaker 1: Because Trump's treatment of e Gen Carroll and Trump's treatment 10 00:00:52,795 --> 00:00:56,835 Speaker 1: of Hillary Clinton, and Trump's treatment of Stormy Daniels and 11 00:00:56,875 --> 00:01:00,435 Speaker 1: Trump's treatment of Nicky Haley, and Trump's treatment of Nancy 12 00:01:00,435 --> 00:01:05,395 Speaker 1: Pelosi and Megan Kelly and Katie Turr and a thousand 13 00:01:05,435 --> 00:01:09,995 Speaker 1: other women, they are all the same thing. He treats 14 00:01:10,035 --> 00:01:16,275 Speaker 1: them as if they were not quite human, which is 15 00:01:16,315 --> 00:01:20,115 Speaker 1: how he and his flying monkeys are about to treat 16 00:01:20,275 --> 00:01:24,515 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. It's Swift voting the twenty twenty four version. 17 00:01:25,515 --> 00:01:28,555 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone Now reports that a source close to Trump 18 00:01:28,635 --> 00:01:30,595 Speaker 1: and their sources have been pretty much on the money, 19 00:01:30,995 --> 00:01:35,555 Speaker 1: says his proxies have declared quote holy war against Swift. 20 00:01:36,195 --> 00:01:38,555 Speaker 1: They seem to dance around how much, if any of 21 00:01:38,555 --> 00:01:41,275 Speaker 1: this will be done by Trump himself, but quoting Trump 22 00:01:41,435 --> 00:01:45,235 Speaker 1: has also privately claimed that he is quote more popular 23 00:01:45,395 --> 00:01:49,035 Speaker 1: unquote than Swift is, and that he has more committed 24 00:01:49,115 --> 00:01:52,315 Speaker 1: fans than she does, and that as late as December, 25 00:01:52,355 --> 00:01:55,235 Speaker 1: Trump was whining that it quote obviously made no sense 26 00:01:55,235 --> 00:01:58,435 Speaker 1: that he was not chosen Time Magazine's Person of the 27 00:01:58,555 --> 00:02:03,315 Speaker 1: Year for twenty twenty three. A Time Magazine's Person of 28 00:02:03,315 --> 00:02:05,395 Speaker 1: the Year for twenty twenty three was two. Taylor Swift. 29 00:02:05,635 --> 00:02:10,835 Speaker 1: B Wait, there's still a Time magazine. It no longer 30 00:02:10,915 --> 00:02:13,235 Speaker 1: takes very much to get the Trump cult to start 31 00:02:13,275 --> 00:02:16,635 Speaker 1: believing that the voices in their heads are not aneurysms 32 00:02:16,675 --> 00:02:20,675 Speaker 1: in waiting, but rather divine communications that, as we saw 33 00:02:20,755 --> 00:02:25,635 Speaker 1: Sunday and Monday and continuing into yesterday, the Taylor Swift 34 00:02:25,675 --> 00:02:28,795 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories are piling up too fast for them to 35 00:02:28,875 --> 00:02:33,235 Speaker 1: be properly cataloged. She was sent to destroy the Kansas 36 00:02:33,235 --> 00:02:36,915 Speaker 1: City Chiefs team by ruining their star tight end, Travis 37 00:02:36,955 --> 00:02:39,915 Speaker 1: kelce No the entire football season was rigged to make 38 00:02:39,955 --> 00:02:42,915 Speaker 1: a superstar out of Travis Kelcey and his bud Light 39 00:02:42,955 --> 00:02:46,875 Speaker 1: commercials and his vaccination commercials and dating Taylor Swift is 40 00:02:46,915 --> 00:02:49,595 Speaker 1: a py OP, so they could both go to the 41 00:02:49,595 --> 00:02:53,435 Speaker 1: super Bowl where they would appear at halftime and endorse 42 00:02:53,555 --> 00:02:56,995 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. And sure players in the super Bowl don't 43 00:02:56,995 --> 00:02:59,515 Speaker 1: appear at halftime. But that's all part of the plot. 44 00:02:59,515 --> 00:03:02,875 Speaker 1: What plot, the election interference plot? Because if anybody endorses Biden, 45 00:03:03,035 --> 00:03:05,995 Speaker 1: that's election interference. In fact, anybody votes for Biden, that's 46 00:03:06,035 --> 00:03:08,195 Speaker 1: election interference. And how do we know that's a real 47 00:03:08,235 --> 00:03:14,915 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift? All this would be as stupid as everything 48 00:03:14,955 --> 00:03:19,115 Speaker 1: else loser j Trump does. It is clear that for 49 00:03:19,195 --> 00:03:24,675 Speaker 1: his stupid people, the stupider it is the better, except 50 00:03:24,675 --> 00:03:29,235 Speaker 1: that Trump's stalking horse in the GOP presidential campaign, vivig Ramaswami, 51 00:03:29,475 --> 00:03:33,555 Speaker 1: hugged the third rail of swifty and conspiracy. At six 52 00:03:33,715 --> 00:03:37,035 Speaker 1: forty seven pm Eastern last night, one of his online parts, 53 00:03:37,195 --> 00:03:40,315 Speaker 1: Jack Posobic post it right on cue quote. Trump is 54 00:03:40,355 --> 00:03:43,955 Speaker 1: more popular and has a larger base than Taylor Swift. 55 00:03:45,475 --> 00:03:47,555 Speaker 1: He's got a larger something that might be called a base. 56 00:03:48,715 --> 00:03:51,955 Speaker 1: This affirms Pasobiic is so stupid that his stupidity has 57 00:03:51,995 --> 00:03:55,155 Speaker 1: to be continued on to whoever is standing next to him. 58 00:03:55,635 --> 00:03:59,555 Speaker 1: Trump's nit wit lawyer Elena I can fake being smart, 59 00:03:59,635 --> 00:04:03,515 Speaker 1: haba reposted on Monday, quote who thinks this country needs 60 00:04:03,555 --> 00:04:06,075 Speaker 1: a lot more women like Aleena and a lot less 61 00:04:06,115 --> 00:04:09,195 Speaker 1: like Taylor Swift? Apparently she lost that straw vote eleventy 62 00:04:09,275 --> 00:04:13,955 Speaker 1: billion to three. Janine Piro has already muttered something about 63 00:04:13,955 --> 00:04:16,515 Speaker 1: Swift on Fox. I couldn't quite make out what it was, 64 00:04:16,555 --> 00:04:20,395 Speaker 1: whether she was making a comment or ordering drinks. Greg Kelly, 65 00:04:20,955 --> 00:04:24,155 Speaker 1: fired from Fox Now of Newsmax, who was actually just 66 00:04:24,195 --> 00:04:27,955 Speaker 1: a sack of potatoes wearing a tie, said idolatry of 67 00:04:27,995 --> 00:04:30,435 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift was a sin, and it says so in 68 00:04:30,475 --> 00:04:35,195 Speaker 1: the Bible. And he segued seamlessly from that into idolatry 69 00:04:35,195 --> 00:04:40,115 Speaker 1: of Trump and readmitted from purgatory moon faced. Trump henchman 70 00:04:40,315 --> 00:04:44,195 Speaker 1: Jason Miller responded to that Rolling Stone story by actually 71 00:04:44,275 --> 00:04:47,715 Speaker 1: writing to them quote, Joe Biden might be counting on 72 00:04:47,795 --> 00:04:50,275 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift to save him, but voters are looking at 73 00:04:50,275 --> 00:04:54,155 Speaker 1: these sky high inflation rates and saying, we are never 74 00:04:54,355 --> 00:04:57,995 Speaker 1: ever getting back together. And I think I would pay 75 00:04:58,035 --> 00:05:01,155 Speaker 1: somebody in the Biden camp a million dollars to say, 76 00:05:01,275 --> 00:05:04,475 Speaker 1: maybe they should just do what former Trump staffer aj 77 00:05:04,795 --> 00:05:07,995 Speaker 1: Delgado would say that Jason Miller would do. In that situation, 78 00:05:08,955 --> 00:05:13,675 Speaker 1: slip something into the voter's drinks. Rolling Stone reports that 79 00:05:13,715 --> 00:05:16,595 Speaker 1: this is just the start of this quote. As Trump 80 00:05:16,635 --> 00:05:20,395 Speaker 1: has been having a popularity contest with Swift in his 81 00:05:20,515 --> 00:05:25,115 Speaker 1: own head. Others close to him, including GOP operatives, some 82 00:05:25,195 --> 00:05:27,995 Speaker 1: of his twenty twenty four staff, and trumpy media figures, 83 00:05:28,235 --> 00:05:32,915 Speaker 1: have been brainstorming different ways to go after Swift since 84 00:05:33,035 --> 00:05:36,515 Speaker 1: late last year. These Trump allies have repeatedly discussed how 85 00:05:36,515 --> 00:05:40,235 Speaker 1: to turn the culture warrior dial up to eleven. Quote. 86 00:05:40,315 --> 00:05:43,675 Speaker 1: It would be more fuel thrown onto the culture war fires, 87 00:05:43,835 --> 00:05:47,235 Speaker 1: un quote, says an official working on the Trump reelection efforts. 88 00:05:47,515 --> 00:05:50,315 Speaker 1: Quote another left leading celebrity who is part of the 89 00:05:50,355 --> 00:05:56,875 Speaker 1: Democrat elite telling you what to think. The salient point, 90 00:05:56,915 --> 00:06:00,395 Speaker 1: of course, is that the Republicans are already losing the 91 00:06:00,475 --> 00:06:08,715 Speaker 1: culture war. Anybody remember on DeSantis and the idea that 92 00:06:08,755 --> 00:06:12,955 Speaker 1: there is some baseline that invalidates having celebrities taking political 93 00:06:12,995 --> 00:06:17,315 Speaker 1: stances neglects the fact that Trump has his own a list, 94 00:06:17,795 --> 00:06:23,155 Speaker 1: well B list D minus. Okay, he has a list 95 00:06:23,195 --> 00:06:25,435 Speaker 1: of people who used to be on a list, Kid Rock, 96 00:06:26,155 --> 00:06:32,355 Speaker 1: John Voight still alive, John Voight, Scott Bayo, Ted Nugent, 97 00:06:32,795 --> 00:06:35,635 Speaker 1: Is he still not in jail, Ted Nugent, the Baldwin 98 00:06:35,675 --> 00:06:38,355 Speaker 1: brother who nobody knows what his first name is, That 99 00:06:39,035 --> 00:06:44,955 Speaker 1: former fighter Tyrone, Tycho, ty Tyde. We don't have a 100 00:06:44,995 --> 00:06:46,755 Speaker 1: Tailor Shrift on our side, but you know who we have. 101 00:06:47,195 --> 00:06:50,795 Speaker 2: We have Kid Rock, we have Ted Nugit, we have influencers, right, 102 00:06:50,835 --> 00:06:52,155 Speaker 2: we have all these people. 103 00:06:52,515 --> 00:06:58,395 Speaker 1: John Voight, John Voight, still alive, John Voight. If at 104 00:06:58,395 --> 00:07:02,315 Speaker 1: this exact moment, while you are listening to this, Trump 105 00:07:02,435 --> 00:07:06,115 Speaker 1: was presented undeniable evidence that tail Swift were about to 106 00:07:06,275 --> 00:07:10,515 Speaker 1: endorse him and not Biden, the entirety of the far 107 00:07:10,635 --> 00:07:13,115 Speaker 1: right would pivot on a dime within three hours, and 108 00:07:13,155 --> 00:07:16,715 Speaker 1: not only would celebrity endorsements be okay and valid and thoughtful, 109 00:07:16,875 --> 00:07:19,515 Speaker 1: but the fascists would deem them to be more valuable 110 00:07:19,515 --> 00:07:22,795 Speaker 1: than the endorsement of unions or governors or a majority 111 00:07:22,835 --> 00:07:27,275 Speaker 1: of Trump's former press secretaries. The problem, though, in that 112 00:07:27,355 --> 00:07:32,435 Speaker 1: fantasy world, is that Trump, who is crazy, would still 113 00:07:32,595 --> 00:07:37,755 Speaker 1: hate Taylor Swift, would still burn with rage that Taylor 114 00:07:37,875 --> 00:07:43,075 Speaker 1: Swift won an award only he still remembers, would still 115 00:07:43,115 --> 00:07:48,275 Speaker 1: burn with rage that any woman got anything that he wanted. 116 00:07:50,955 --> 00:07:53,755 Speaker 1: There is a cynical but to some degree valid perception 117 00:07:53,875 --> 00:07:58,035 Speaker 1: that Trump won in twenty sixteen and lost in twenty twenty, 118 00:07:58,075 --> 00:08:03,235 Speaker 1: in part because his hatred of Biden often seemed forced, 119 00:08:03,995 --> 00:08:10,035 Speaker 1: seemed manufactured, had to be cobbled together with labyrinthine, impenetrable 120 00:08:10,075 --> 00:08:16,475 Speaker 1: conspiracies involving Ukraine and Rudy Giuliani not wearing pants and 121 00:08:16,555 --> 00:08:21,035 Speaker 1: a laptop and that really scary looking guy with the 122 00:08:21,155 --> 00:08:24,555 Speaker 1: Tama shanter on his head and his eyes on opposite 123 00:08:24,595 --> 00:08:27,115 Speaker 1: sides of his head, the guy who had the laptop. 124 00:08:28,595 --> 00:08:33,875 Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, Trump hated Hillary Clinton, and he did 125 00:08:33,915 --> 00:08:37,875 Speaker 1: not need to open his mouth to convey it. A 126 00:08:37,995 --> 00:08:43,035 Speaker 1: woman stood in the way of something he wanted and 127 00:08:43,155 --> 00:08:49,995 Speaker 1: believed he deserved. It is notable that for all the 128 00:08:49,995 --> 00:08:53,875 Speaker 1: stochastic threats Trump has made against dozens and dozens of 129 00:08:53,955 --> 00:08:58,155 Speaker 1: men and women since twenty fifteen, still the most vivid, 130 00:08:58,435 --> 00:09:02,155 Speaker 1: the most explicit, were against Hillary Clinton, the ones in 131 00:09:02,195 --> 00:09:05,475 Speaker 1: which he said, if she supported gun control, she should 132 00:09:05,515 --> 00:09:08,875 Speaker 1: dismiss her Secret Service protection and then see what happened. 133 00:09:09,635 --> 00:09:14,035 Speaker 1: It was a direct demand of his cultists to try 134 00:09:14,075 --> 00:09:21,675 Speaker 1: to assassinate her, and the key element the evil authenticity 135 00:09:22,155 --> 00:09:24,595 Speaker 1: about a man who can also fake evil with the 136 00:09:24,635 --> 00:09:27,675 Speaker 1: best of them was that Hillary Clinton was a woman, 137 00:09:28,355 --> 00:09:30,995 Speaker 1: and women to Donald Trump are there for one thing, 138 00:09:31,835 --> 00:09:35,075 Speaker 1: and when they're done, he has a nice reward for them. 139 00:09:35,595 --> 00:09:39,475 Speaker 1: In a lovely location near the first tee at the 140 00:09:39,515 --> 00:09:46,275 Speaker 1: golf course in New Jersey, consider the alleged victim was 141 00:09:46,355 --> 00:09:50,275 Speaker 1: quote deep in conversation with acquaintances at a crowded Manhattan 142 00:09:50,395 --> 00:09:52,715 Speaker 1: night spot and did not notice the figure to her 143 00:09:52,795 --> 00:09:56,435 Speaker 1: right on a red velvet couch until she recalls his 144 00:09:56,555 --> 00:10:00,355 Speaker 1: fingers slid under her miniskirt, moved up her inner thigh 145 00:10:00,475 --> 00:10:05,795 Speaker 1: and touched her vagina through her underwear. Yep, the Harvey 146 00:10:05,795 --> 00:10:11,395 Speaker 1: Weinstein nightmares seemingly unending, and it's evil even touches politics tangentially. 147 00:10:12,035 --> 00:10:14,675 Speaker 1: But of course the man on the red velvet couch 148 00:10:14,755 --> 00:10:17,435 Speaker 1: was not Harvey Weinstein, but according to the former model 149 00:10:17,475 --> 00:10:22,395 Speaker 1: Kristin Anderson, it was Donald Trump. I'll go backstage before 150 00:10:22,395 --> 00:10:24,875 Speaker 1: a show before and everyone's getting dressed and ready and 151 00:10:24,915 --> 00:10:27,315 Speaker 1: everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and 152 00:10:27,355 --> 00:10:29,115 Speaker 1: I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner, and 153 00:10:29,155 --> 00:10:32,435 Speaker 1: therefore I'm inspecting it. They're standing there with no clothes. 154 00:10:32,635 --> 00:10:35,315 Speaker 1: Is everybody okay? And you see these incredible looking women, 155 00:10:35,395 --> 00:10:37,995 Speaker 1: and so I sort of get away with things like that. 156 00:10:40,675 --> 00:10:43,675 Speaker 1: The Harvey Weinstein crisis and the me too movement that 157 00:10:43,795 --> 00:10:47,915 Speaker 1: rolled out alongside it has been a true and unceasing epidemic. 158 00:10:47,955 --> 00:10:50,995 Speaker 1: But of course, that entertainment mogul describing how he got 159 00:10:50,995 --> 00:10:53,835 Speaker 1: away with staring at the naked women backstage, was not 160 00:10:53,995 --> 00:10:57,675 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein, but was, by his own admission, Donald Trump, 161 00:10:59,315 --> 00:11:02,315 Speaker 1: after another alleged victim revealed that she was pushed against 162 00:11:02,355 --> 00:11:04,915 Speaker 1: the wall and the perpetrator had forced his tongue into 163 00:11:04,955 --> 00:11:09,235 Speaker 1: her mouth. The alleged perpetrator later told his apologists, quote, 164 00:11:09,315 --> 00:11:11,355 Speaker 1: take a look. You take a look. Look at her. 165 00:11:11,675 --> 00:11:14,955 Speaker 1: You tell me what you think. The man who has 166 00:11:14,995 --> 00:11:18,155 Speaker 1: dismissed accuser after accuser, including the one just awarded eighty 167 00:11:18,195 --> 00:11:21,995 Speaker 1: three million dollars after he defamed her too. The man 168 00:11:22,035 --> 00:11:26,115 Speaker 1: who was dismissed accuser after accuser by implying she wasn't 169 00:11:26,155 --> 00:11:29,275 Speaker 1: good enough looking for him to have attacked her, was 170 00:11:29,315 --> 00:11:34,395 Speaker 1: not Harvey Weinstein. It was, according to the victims, Donald Trump. 171 00:11:36,155 --> 00:11:38,995 Speaker 1: After the other victim, one of the other victims, one 172 00:11:39,035 --> 00:11:42,035 Speaker 1: of at least two dozen self revealed victims, said he 173 00:11:42,075 --> 00:11:44,875 Speaker 1: lifted up the airplane armrests that separated them and grabbed 174 00:11:44,875 --> 00:11:47,475 Speaker 1: her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt. 175 00:11:47,475 --> 00:11:50,155 Speaker 1: The perpetrator told a different group of his apologists, quote, 176 00:11:50,395 --> 00:11:53,275 Speaker 1: believe me, she would not be my first choice. But 177 00:11:54,515 --> 00:11:56,995 Speaker 1: the Republicans pressed forward to make the issue of rape 178 00:11:57,075 --> 00:11:59,955 Speaker 1: or sexual misconduct into some sort of symbol of the Democrats. 179 00:11:59,995 --> 00:12:02,635 Speaker 1: And Kelly and Conway can still speak with a straight 180 00:12:02,675 --> 00:12:07,235 Speaker 1: face about Trump empowering women when she was his campaign manager, 181 00:12:08,115 --> 00:12:11,555 Speaker 1: when the pussy grabber tape came out and Trump pretended 182 00:12:11,595 --> 00:12:15,155 Speaker 1: it was locker room talk instead of merely the soundtrack 183 00:12:15,235 --> 00:12:20,155 Speaker 1: to his decades of lechery, and when Sebastian Gorka can 184 00:12:20,195 --> 00:12:23,635 Speaker 1: still tell his idiot viewers quote, the left in the 185 00:12:23,675 --> 00:12:28,355 Speaker 1: media love their scum bags. It's really that simple. Let 186 00:12:28,435 --> 00:12:31,675 Speaker 1: us call a scumbag a scumbag and recognize that the 187 00:12:31,715 --> 00:12:37,035 Speaker 1: Republicans elected their scumbag president and to this day continue 188 00:12:37,075 --> 00:12:39,995 Speaker 1: to support their scumbag, and now expect the rest of 189 00:12:40,075 --> 00:12:43,035 Speaker 1: us to listen as their scumbag and his junior scumbags 190 00:12:43,235 --> 00:12:46,515 Speaker 1: prepared to try to destroy Taylor Swift because like all 191 00:12:46,555 --> 00:12:51,355 Speaker 1: the women Trump assaulted, she just would not do what 192 00:12:51,515 --> 00:12:59,315 Speaker 1: he wants her to do a couple of follow up headlines. 193 00:12:59,355 --> 00:13:01,955 Speaker 1: The Illinois State Election Board says it does not have 194 00:13:01,995 --> 00:13:06,355 Speaker 1: the authority to determine whether insurrectionists try violated the fourteenth Amendment, 195 00:13:06,835 --> 00:13:09,675 Speaker 1: and thus it rules it can't remove him from the ballot. 196 00:13:09,715 --> 00:13:13,115 Speaker 1: There of course, it doesn't need to have the authority. 197 00:13:14,315 --> 00:13:15,875 Speaker 1: It should be questioning whether or not it has the 198 00:13:15,915 --> 00:13:20,675 Speaker 1: authority to put disorder Jay Trump on the ballot after 199 00:13:20,715 --> 00:13:24,515 Speaker 1: he engaged in insurrection while an officer of the United States, 200 00:13:24,555 --> 00:13:27,515 Speaker 1: as defined by the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. 201 00:13:28,875 --> 00:13:31,515 Speaker 1: And by the way, the fourteenth Amendment is self executing 202 00:13:31,555 --> 00:13:37,595 Speaker 1: as defined by Jefferson Davis in eighteen sixty eight. This podcast, 203 00:13:37,995 --> 00:13:42,315 Speaker 1: I will repeat, has a good reach. It is not, however, ubiquitous. 204 00:13:42,675 --> 00:13:45,955 Speaker 1: Somebody else is going to have to inform these attorneys 205 00:13:46,275 --> 00:13:50,275 Speaker 1: and courts that they are now acting against the will 206 00:13:50,475 --> 00:13:55,595 Speaker 1: of the sainted Scalia, and he will, no doubt reappear 207 00:13:55,675 --> 00:13:59,555 Speaker 1: from beyond the grave the size of the stay Puff 208 00:13:59,715 --> 00:14:04,115 Speaker 1: marshmallow Man from Ghostbusters and come over and crush their 209 00:14:04,155 --> 00:14:09,555 Speaker 1: Neighborhod Goods. By the way, I am informed, the Supreme 210 00:14:09,595 --> 00:14:12,835 Speaker 1: Court could also get the fourteenth Amendment entirely wrong and 211 00:14:12,995 --> 00:14:16,475 Speaker 1: invalidate our constitutional form of government and let Trump run 212 00:14:16,515 --> 00:14:19,155 Speaker 1: for president even though he is ineligible as early as 213 00:14:19,155 --> 00:14:24,555 Speaker 1: a week from today. Consider this bit of political science fiction. 214 00:14:24,955 --> 00:14:29,755 Speaker 1: What happens if he runs for president though ineligible to 215 00:14:29,835 --> 00:14:35,595 Speaker 1: serve and is elected, and then we find out through 216 00:14:35,635 --> 00:14:40,595 Speaker 1: some agency that he is ineligible to be sworn in? 217 00:14:42,635 --> 00:14:45,195 Speaker 1: All right, back to this timeline. The other campaign news, 218 00:14:45,195 --> 00:14:47,435 Speaker 1: The New York Times reports that the biggest pro Biden 219 00:14:47,515 --> 00:14:50,755 Speaker 1: super pac is now booking time and Space hockey term 220 00:14:50,955 --> 00:14:56,635 Speaker 1: on TV and digital and streaming in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, 221 00:14:56,675 --> 00:15:00,795 Speaker 1: North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin for Biden ads to run 222 00:15:00,795 --> 00:15:04,515 Speaker 1: in those states between August twenty third and November fifth, 223 00:15:04,715 --> 00:15:09,835 Speaker 1: that's the day after the Democratic Convention ends through election Day. 224 00:15:10,475 --> 00:15:15,915 Speaker 1: How many ads? A few, a few, one hundred and 225 00:15:15,915 --> 00:15:20,395 Speaker 1: forty million dollars worth. Well, that's that's just the TV spend, 226 00:15:20,395 --> 00:15:23,195 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty million. The digital spend is another 227 00:15:23,235 --> 00:15:27,795 Speaker 1: one hundred and ten million. So they've already bought a 228 00:15:28,035 --> 00:15:34,115 Speaker 1: quarter of a billion dollars in advertising for two months 229 00:15:34,155 --> 00:15:39,955 Speaker 1: and two weeks in just the seven swing states. Now 230 00:15:41,075 --> 00:15:44,995 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they could get fired Speaker of the 231 00:15:44,995 --> 00:15:47,755 Speaker 1: House new Gingrich or soon to be fired Speaker of 232 00:15:47,755 --> 00:15:50,875 Speaker 1: the House Mike Johnson to serve as Biden campaign spokesman. 233 00:15:51,555 --> 00:15:53,875 Speaker 1: Gingrich went on Fox and revealed that there is no 234 00:15:53,955 --> 00:15:57,155 Speaker 1: issue the fascists actually care about, accept reelection and power. 235 00:15:57,715 --> 00:16:00,995 Speaker 1: Don't make a deal on the border. He says, quote, 236 00:16:01,035 --> 00:16:03,955 Speaker 1: it's just dumb. It's like having an absolute winning hand 237 00:16:04,355 --> 00:16:06,675 Speaker 1: and say saying, please, can I just lay these down 238 00:16:06,715 --> 00:16:12,035 Speaker 1: and lose the game. Terrified people fleeing to our borders 239 00:16:12,075 --> 00:16:15,275 Speaker 1: because not to means deprivation and death, and they are 240 00:16:15,395 --> 00:16:18,675 Speaker 1: drowning in the Rio Grande because Greg Abbott won't let 241 00:16:18,715 --> 00:16:24,155 Speaker 1: federal agents rescue them. And Gingrich thinks it's a game, newt. 242 00:16:24,595 --> 00:16:28,635 Speaker 1: You do know, if any of the major religions are correct, 243 00:16:29,555 --> 00:16:36,155 Speaker 1: you are going to hell. And this is Speaker Johnson 244 00:16:37,115 --> 00:16:40,835 Speaker 1: at his news conference being asked by Manu Raju of 245 00:16:40,875 --> 00:16:43,995 Speaker 1: CNN if he's talked to Trump about the border security compromise, 246 00:16:44,035 --> 00:16:47,355 Speaker 1: and Johnson manages to say, no, of course, not, that's absurd. 247 00:16:47,435 --> 00:16:49,955 Speaker 1: He has not spoken to Trump about border security. On 248 00:16:49,995 --> 00:16:53,355 Speaker 1: the other hand, he has spoken to Trump about border security. 249 00:16:53,675 --> 00:16:56,715 Speaker 3: Judging by his comments, he probably wants to campaign on 250 00:16:56,715 --> 00:16:59,755 Speaker 3: this issue. Have you spoken to him about the Senate 251 00:17:00,035 --> 00:17:03,475 Speaker 3: diclosal and are you simply trying to kill this to 252 00:17:03,515 --> 00:17:04,675 Speaker 3: help him on the campaign. 253 00:17:04,795 --> 00:17:08,435 Speaker 2: No, that's absurd. We have a responsibility here to do 254 00:17:08,515 --> 00:17:10,555 Speaker 2: our duty. Our duty is to do right by the 255 00:17:10,555 --> 00:17:12,755 Speaker 2: American people, to protect the people. The first and most 256 00:17:12,755 --> 00:17:15,955 Speaker 2: important job the federal government is protected citizens. I have 257 00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:19,795 Speaker 2: talked to farm President Trump about this issue at length, 258 00:17:19,875 --> 00:17:22,715 Speaker 2: and he understands that. He understands that we have a 259 00:17:22,755 --> 00:17:24,075 Speaker 2: responsibility to do here. 260 00:17:24,435 --> 00:17:27,155 Speaker 1: Pick Speaker Johnson up by his shoulders, please and check 261 00:17:27,195 --> 00:17:30,355 Speaker 1: the soles of his shoes, because I'm guessing that's where 262 00:17:30,395 --> 00:17:36,675 Speaker 1: they have inscribed his speakership expiration date. This guy is 263 00:17:36,835 --> 00:17:43,595 Speaker 1: dumber than the last five. Last lee to steal from 264 00:17:43,595 --> 00:17:46,715 Speaker 1: my old frenemy, Craig Kilbourne, here is your daily moment 265 00:17:46,755 --> 00:17:51,555 Speaker 1: of zen Nicky Haley again eight days in a row. 266 00:17:52,395 --> 00:17:54,995 Speaker 1: When she does it today, it'll be the ninth. Nicky 267 00:17:55,035 --> 00:18:00,115 Speaker 1: Haley again saying Trump is crazy on national television. He 268 00:18:00,195 --> 00:18:03,315 Speaker 1: didn't just get me confused. He mentioned it over and 269 00:18:03,475 --> 00:18:04,435 Speaker 1: over and over. 270 00:18:05,315 --> 00:18:07,395 Speaker 3: She's not what he was in twenty sixteen. 271 00:18:07,675 --> 00:18:11,755 Speaker 1: He has decline that's a fact. Am I wrong to 272 00:18:11,875 --> 00:18:16,075 Speaker 1: think that if I ever take an actual vacation day 273 00:18:16,195 --> 00:18:22,635 Speaker 1: from this podcast before the election, then I should ask 274 00:18:23,155 --> 00:18:31,515 Speaker 1: Nicki Haley to fill in for me. Keith Olderman is 275 00:18:31,715 --> 00:18:36,795 Speaker 1: hospitalized today recovering from stab wounds. Nicki Haley also of 276 00:18:36,835 --> 00:18:39,675 Speaker 1: interest here. I will resume the theme of misogyny morphing 277 00:18:39,715 --> 00:18:43,315 Speaker 1: into murderous contempt for all women and cite an example 278 00:18:43,355 --> 00:18:46,755 Speaker 1: I witnessed firsthand courtesy my then employers at MSNBC, and 279 00:18:46,755 --> 00:18:49,635 Speaker 1: then at the opposite end of the same spectrum more 280 00:18:49,755 --> 00:18:54,315 Speaker 1: scandal from that book banning group Moms for Liberty. I 281 00:18:54,435 --> 00:18:57,875 Speaker 1: wonder if this one leader of the group Mom's for 282 00:18:57,995 --> 00:19:02,515 Speaker 1: Liberty said I'm a mom for liberty while she was 283 00:19:02,555 --> 00:19:05,995 Speaker 1: sitting on the lap of the un underaged boy she 284 00:19:06,115 --> 00:19:10,995 Speaker 1: had already loaded up with liquor, telling him he was 285 00:19:11,155 --> 00:19:16,835 Speaker 1: her favorite. Ah, it's mom's for that kind of liberty. 286 00:19:17,435 --> 00:19:24,675 Speaker 1: That's next. This is countdown, Nah, this is countdown with 287 00:19:24,835 --> 00:19:36,195 Speaker 1: Keith Olberman. Pose scripts to the news, some headlines, some updates, 288 00:19:36,235 --> 00:19:41,755 Speaker 1: some snark, some predictions. Dateline Buckingham, Pennsylvania, over at Miss 289 00:19:41,755 --> 00:19:49,635 Speaker 1: Clarice's house. Miss Clarice, according to the Bucks County Times newspaper, 290 00:19:49,755 --> 00:19:52,275 Speaker 1: was known to all the high school kids in her town. 291 00:19:52,955 --> 00:19:57,595 Speaker 1: One underaged witness said underage drinking was an age old 292 00:19:57,675 --> 00:20:01,195 Speaker 1: ritual there. Miss Clarice would even pour it for you. 293 00:20:01,835 --> 00:20:04,475 Speaker 1: Another witness said they took fifteen shots of liquor and 294 00:20:04,515 --> 00:20:08,195 Speaker 1: then partnered with Miss Clarice, aged thirty six, in a 295 00:20:08,195 --> 00:20:11,515 Speaker 1: game of beer pong. One witness said that after Miss 296 00:20:11,595 --> 00:20:14,395 Speaker 1: Clarice sat on his lap and she told him he 297 00:20:14,515 --> 00:20:18,475 Speaker 1: was her quote favorite, he pretended to have to use 298 00:20:18,515 --> 00:20:23,035 Speaker 1: the bathroom. One identified as CE said they all saw 299 00:20:23,075 --> 00:20:25,595 Speaker 1: the drinking and the second party that was going on 300 00:20:25,675 --> 00:20:29,555 Speaker 1: upstairs with Miss Clarice's mom, and he and his group 301 00:20:29,635 --> 00:20:32,875 Speaker 1: made for the door and left. That's when they discovered 302 00:20:32,915 --> 00:20:35,155 Speaker 1: they had left one of the group behind in Miss 303 00:20:35,155 --> 00:20:37,595 Speaker 1: Clarice's house. They went back to get them, and, to 304 00:20:37,635 --> 00:20:41,955 Speaker 1: quote the newspaper, CE testified, Chillinger answered the door and 305 00:20:42,035 --> 00:20:44,795 Speaker 1: eventually said to him, the only thing I asked is 306 00:20:44,795 --> 00:20:48,835 Speaker 1: that nobody leave the house. Chillinger then allegedly grabbed him 307 00:20:48,835 --> 00:20:52,355 Speaker 1: by his shirt and hit him multiple times with a 308 00:20:52,475 --> 00:20:59,555 Speaker 1: closed fist around his chin and cheek. Miss Clorice, of course, Chillinger, 309 00:20:59,675 --> 00:21:03,355 Speaker 1: as she's referred to in the story, is Chlorice Chillinger, 310 00:21:03,515 --> 00:21:07,835 Speaker 1: former aspirant for the Republican nomination for Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania, 311 00:21:08,155 --> 00:21:10,955 Speaker 1: head of her own local group to elect like minded 312 00:21:10,995 --> 00:21:14,755 Speaker 1: people to the local school boards. Bring your beer pong 313 00:21:14,915 --> 00:21:17,755 Speaker 1: and of course local distributor of whatever it is they're 314 00:21:17,835 --> 00:21:23,315 Speaker 1: drinking inside. Moms for Liberty aka Moms for Nazi liberty 315 00:21:23,675 --> 00:21:26,555 Speaker 1: aka after the story of mister and Missus Ziegler and 316 00:21:26,635 --> 00:21:30,715 Speaker 1: their girlfriend in Florida, Moms for that kind of liberty 317 00:21:30,995 --> 00:21:36,195 Speaker 1: waka waka waka. And this was all at the hearing 318 00:21:36,395 --> 00:21:39,875 Speaker 1: in court on the charges against Miss Clarisse, and they 319 00:21:39,915 --> 00:21:43,075 Speaker 1: were not dismissed and she will stand trial, even though 320 00:21:43,075 --> 00:21:47,355 Speaker 1: her attorney offered the impeccable, inarguable argument that the boy 321 00:21:47,435 --> 00:21:50,315 Speaker 1: she punched was way bigger than her and he wasn't hurt, 322 00:21:50,355 --> 00:21:53,715 Speaker 1: so what's the big deal. And then that attorney emailed 323 00:21:53,715 --> 00:21:57,835 Speaker 1: this priceless statement to the media quote, Ms. Schillinger has 324 00:21:57,995 --> 00:22:03,915 Speaker 1: dedicated her life to public service. Yeah, that's what she 325 00:22:04,075 --> 00:22:11,435 Speaker 1: was doing, sitting on the underage boys lap service. Public service. 326 00:22:40,955 --> 00:23:06,315 Speaker 1: Thank you, Nancy Faust still ah on countdown, Yes, Abby 327 00:23:06,315 --> 00:23:09,715 Speaker 1: Philip if CNN said something condescending about me from inside 328 00:23:09,755 --> 00:23:12,795 Speaker 1: her bubble where she does not know. Her daily demo 329 00:23:12,955 --> 00:23:15,715 Speaker 1: audience for a show CNN wastes millions of dollars on 330 00:23:15,955 --> 00:23:18,915 Speaker 1: is twenty five to thirty percent smaller than the daily 331 00:23:18,995 --> 00:23:23,115 Speaker 1: audience of this podcast I do for you in my apartment, 332 00:23:23,595 --> 00:23:28,315 Speaker 1: in my spare time, by myself, unless you count the dogs. 333 00:23:28,995 --> 00:23:31,795 Speaker 1: And yes, Megan Kelly, who owns all the camera filters 334 00:23:31,835 --> 00:23:34,915 Speaker 1: that Carrie Lake does not own, again said something nasty 335 00:23:34,915 --> 00:23:37,195 Speaker 1: about me. And I didn't even bother to look past 336 00:23:37,235 --> 00:23:40,835 Speaker 1: the headline because Megan Kelly has some sort of miss 337 00:23:40,955 --> 00:23:44,915 Speaker 1: Clarice thing for me, and knowledge of that is punishment 338 00:23:45,035 --> 00:23:48,635 Speaker 1: enough for any man. But there is a theme to 339 00:23:48,675 --> 00:23:51,995 Speaker 1: this edition of the podcast, and it's sexism and misogyny 340 00:23:52,555 --> 00:23:56,835 Speaker 1: by the very people Meghan Kelly is owned by and 341 00:23:56,915 --> 00:24:01,195 Speaker 1: the very people Abby Philip apologizes for. And while those 342 00:24:01,195 --> 00:24:04,675 Speaker 1: people mostly are Republicans and Conservatives and other fascists, it's 343 00:24:04,835 --> 00:24:09,075 Speaker 1: not one hundred percent. Having addressed the conservative and conservative 344 00:24:09,115 --> 00:24:15,035 Speaker 1: adjacent misogynists were misogynist sympathizers like Philip and Kelly and Trump, 345 00:24:15,595 --> 00:24:17,315 Speaker 1: I do want to mention a few of the left 346 00:24:17,315 --> 00:24:21,795 Speaker 1: wing misogynists, like the NBC executives who sixteen years ago. 347 00:24:21,835 --> 00:24:26,475 Speaker 1: Today were still telling me, sometimes literally, why would we 348 00:24:26,595 --> 00:24:30,795 Speaker 1: hire Rachel Maddow. No viewer is going to watch a 349 00:24:30,835 --> 00:24:36,715 Speaker 1: woman do the political news things I promised not to tell, 350 00:24:37,555 --> 00:24:40,435 Speaker 1: and who said them? Coming up first time for the 351 00:24:40,515 --> 00:24:42,755 Speaker 1: daily roundup of the miss grants, morons and Dunning Kruger 352 00:24:42,755 --> 00:24:46,515 Speaker 1: effect specimens. Who constitute two days worst persons of the 353 00:24:46,515 --> 00:24:50,355 Speaker 1: world or worse persons in the world. I've only been 354 00:24:50,355 --> 00:24:53,075 Speaker 1: doing this bit since two thousand and five. Why would 355 00:24:53,075 --> 00:24:58,795 Speaker 1: I remember the name of it? Worst persons don't le Monde, 356 00:25:00,635 --> 00:25:03,115 Speaker 1: will skip, Kelly and Philip the Bronze Worse The New 357 00:25:03,195 --> 00:25:05,795 Speaker 1: York Times, which has hired Andrew marshand Away from The 358 00:25:05,795 --> 00:25:09,315 Speaker 1: New York Post to become senior writer in Sports business 359 00:25:09,315 --> 00:25:13,675 Speaker 1: and Media for the website The Athletic Huge mistake. He 360 00:25:13,835 --> 00:25:18,115 Speaker 1: is not an honest broker. Marshaan covered sports in New York, 361 00:25:18,155 --> 00:25:19,915 Speaker 1: then he went to work for ESPN in New York. 362 00:25:19,955 --> 00:25:21,595 Speaker 1: Then he went back to the New York Post to 363 00:25:21,675 --> 00:25:25,075 Speaker 1: cover TV sports. I knew him for about fifteen years. 364 00:25:25,115 --> 00:25:29,275 Speaker 1: We never had a problem, Always friendly, professional, very supportive 365 00:25:29,315 --> 00:25:33,555 Speaker 1: of my work. And then in twenty eighteen, Marshan contacted 366 00:25:33,595 --> 00:25:36,795 Speaker 1: me looking for an off the record confirmation of a 367 00:25:36,915 --> 00:25:40,315 Speaker 1: leak that said that my bosses at ESPN had warned 368 00:25:40,395 --> 00:25:43,675 Speaker 1: me not to comment in public or on social media 369 00:25:44,115 --> 00:25:47,955 Speaker 1: after a string of racist tweets by Roseanne Barr got 370 00:25:47,955 --> 00:25:51,675 Speaker 1: her fired by our parent company, Disney. I told Marshand 371 00:25:51,755 --> 00:25:55,075 Speaker 1: on the record that nobody at ESPN or anywhere else 372 00:25:55,515 --> 00:25:58,435 Speaker 1: had warned me, or contacted me or even mentioned it 373 00:25:58,475 --> 00:26:03,195 Speaker 1: to me. And I did that because they hadn't. Marshand 374 00:26:03,235 --> 00:26:06,555 Speaker 1: then published the following quote. ESPN managers are telling their 375 00:26:06,555 --> 00:26:09,475 Speaker 1: most outspoken broadcasters and writers to be careful on social 376 00:26:09,475 --> 00:26:12,915 Speaker 1: media in light of Disney acting Roseanne Barr's TV show 377 00:26:13,195 --> 00:26:17,275 Speaker 1: over her racist tweets, sources told the Post. A source 378 00:26:17,315 --> 00:26:20,435 Speaker 1: said that the Disney owned ESPN was specifically reaching out 379 00:26:20,595 --> 00:26:24,075 Speaker 1: to the most politically outspoken of its broadcasters. Jamel Hill, 380 00:26:24,155 --> 00:26:27,115 Speaker 1: Keith Olderman and Kenny Maine are the ones most frequently 381 00:26:27,115 --> 00:26:32,995 Speaker 1: associated with venturing outside of sports. Unquote, it wasn't true 382 00:26:32,995 --> 00:26:35,115 Speaker 1: about me when he asked. It wasn't true about me 383 00:26:35,155 --> 00:26:37,795 Speaker 1: when he wrote it. On the other hand, if Marshan's 384 00:26:37,835 --> 00:26:41,235 Speaker 1: source lied to him about a warning buy ESPN to me, 385 00:26:41,435 --> 00:26:44,955 Speaker 1: and he believed the lie, and the lying source Marshan 386 00:26:45,115 --> 00:26:49,155 Speaker 1: should have written it, but it was his minimal journalistic 387 00:26:49,155 --> 00:26:53,795 Speaker 1: obligation to then also include my denial, especially since my 388 00:26:53,915 --> 00:26:57,115 Speaker 1: denial was on the record, as opposed to an anonymous 389 00:26:57,195 --> 00:27:00,315 Speaker 1: source charging that this had happened and this is not 390 00:27:00,395 --> 00:27:04,395 Speaker 1: just a clerical concern. Those paragraphs leading his column fed 391 00:27:04,395 --> 00:27:06,835 Speaker 1: into a false narrative that ESPN was watching me like 392 00:27:06,875 --> 00:27:09,715 Speaker 1: a hawk to make sure I did not mix sports 393 00:27:09,795 --> 00:27:13,035 Speaker 1: and reality. In point of fact, I had gone back 394 00:27:13,075 --> 00:27:15,035 Speaker 1: to ESPN that year, so I did not have to 395 00:27:15,075 --> 00:27:18,955 Speaker 1: report on reality, Thank you very much. I called Marshand, 396 00:27:19,195 --> 00:27:21,275 Speaker 1: I called him out on this. I asked him to 397 00:27:21,315 --> 00:27:24,355 Speaker 1: add my denial to a future column. That's all I asked. 398 00:27:24,595 --> 00:27:27,915 Speaker 1: No apology, no correction, No it's not true, just put 399 00:27:27,955 --> 00:27:32,755 Speaker 1: me on the record saying they didn't call me. He refused, 400 00:27:33,355 --> 00:27:35,315 Speaker 1: and in the six years since he has used his 401 00:27:35,395 --> 00:27:38,235 Speaker 1: column to denigrate my work and me. He is not 402 00:27:38,355 --> 00:27:40,715 Speaker 1: an honest broker. And at the New York Times and 403 00:27:40,755 --> 00:27:45,115 Speaker 1: The Athletic don't believe that's true. Soon enough, they'll find 404 00:27:45,155 --> 00:27:49,555 Speaker 1: out worse, sir. The runner up, Maria Bartowomo, who used 405 00:27:49,595 --> 00:27:51,875 Speaker 1: to be a business journalist but now spends an hour 406 00:27:51,995 --> 00:27:55,195 Speaker 1: or two on Fox every day, drifting further and further 407 00:27:55,355 --> 00:27:59,435 Speaker 1: off into the outer space of her own mind, interviewing 408 00:27:59,475 --> 00:28:07,875 Speaker 1: Congressman Fluger of Texas. Wait, there's a congressman interviewing Congressman 409 00:28:07,955 --> 00:28:10,795 Speaker 1: Fluger about the three American service members killed in Jordan. 410 00:28:10,955 --> 00:28:14,115 Speaker 1: She said, Wow, maybe they're focused too much on DEI, 411 00:28:15,235 --> 00:28:18,515 Speaker 1: And then she went off on a rant about DEI, 412 00:28:19,555 --> 00:28:23,435 Speaker 1: which is diversity, et cetera in the FBI. And the 413 00:28:23,475 --> 00:28:27,115 Speaker 1: Congressman looked alarmed since the lost service members were in 414 00:28:27,155 --> 00:28:31,635 Speaker 1: the army and not in the FBI. And you could 415 00:28:31,635 --> 00:28:36,955 Speaker 1: almost read Congressman Fluger's thoughts, which would have been something like, DEI, Maria, 416 00:28:37,355 --> 00:28:41,675 Speaker 1: shouldn't you be more worried about d UI? But our 417 00:28:41,715 --> 00:28:47,675 Speaker 1: winner the worst Elon musk and Sean mcbrearty. Mcbrearty is 418 00:28:47,715 --> 00:28:50,315 Speaker 1: an unemployed man who builds himself on Twitter as an 419 00:28:50,515 --> 00:28:56,115 Speaker 1: education advocate, like miss Clarice considers herself an education advocate. 420 00:28:56,995 --> 00:28:59,915 Speaker 1: Oh you're learning, As one wag put it, his new 421 00:28:59,995 --> 00:29:03,595 Speaker 1: job is reading sex scenes from books out loud at 422 00:29:03,595 --> 00:29:09,195 Speaker 1: school board meetings Maine and calling everybody groomer. Recently, mcbrearty 423 00:29:09,315 --> 00:29:13,115 Speaker 1: expanded the range of his hapless existence to doxing. Shnna Bellows, 424 00:29:13,315 --> 00:29:15,915 Speaker 1: the main Secretary of State who was required by law 425 00:29:16,355 --> 00:29:19,435 Speaker 1: to rule on Trump's eligibility for the ballot under the 426 00:29:19,475 --> 00:29:22,395 Speaker 1: fourteenth Amendment, and as we now know, the late Supreme 427 00:29:22,395 --> 00:29:25,795 Speaker 1: Court Justice Scalia already ruled on that Trump is ineligible 428 00:29:25,995 --> 00:29:29,555 Speaker 1: because he engaged an insurrection and his office was president, 429 00:29:29,595 --> 00:29:32,795 Speaker 1: which was an officer of the United States. Anyway, mcbrearty 430 00:29:32,875 --> 00:29:35,635 Speaker 1: posted her email and address on Twitter, and sure enough 431 00:29:35,835 --> 00:29:38,955 Speaker 1: she then got swatted and the death threats. Now, I'm 432 00:29:38,955 --> 00:29:41,195 Speaker 1: not going to dox mcbrearty, but I will point out 433 00:29:41,315 --> 00:29:43,955 Speaker 1: he lives in Maine. He appears to be cross eyed, 434 00:29:44,315 --> 00:29:46,915 Speaker 1: He shows up at school board meetings and reads poorn 435 00:29:46,955 --> 00:29:50,515 Speaker 1: out loud, and under his very attractive crew cut, his 436 00:29:50,635 --> 00:29:54,515 Speaker 1: head does seem to come to a point, just in 437 00:29:54,555 --> 00:29:57,515 Speaker 1: case you're trying to find him. Just as big an 438 00:29:57,555 --> 00:30:00,795 Speaker 1: issue here is Musk, who thirteen months ago suspended a 439 00:30:00,795 --> 00:30:04,595 Speaker 1: bunch of us on Twitter for doxing I guess, doxing 440 00:30:04,835 --> 00:30:08,995 Speaker 1: his kid, his ex wife him. We never found out 441 00:30:09,275 --> 00:30:13,715 Speaker 1: because he never bothered to explain. He just repeated doxic, doxic, doxic, 442 00:30:14,115 --> 00:30:18,275 Speaker 1: doxing like a drugged up parrot or mina bird. But 443 00:30:18,355 --> 00:30:22,995 Speaker 1: what this scumbag mcbrearty did was doxing legal definition of doxing, 444 00:30:23,275 --> 00:30:28,955 Speaker 1: and Musk has done nothing doxing on Musk's platform. Musk 445 00:30:29,115 --> 00:30:33,915 Speaker 1: is an accessory to doxing this woman. Shnna Bellow's Secretary 446 00:30:33,955 --> 00:30:38,115 Speaker 1: of State for Maine, Sean mcbridy of Maine elon Musk 447 00:30:38,155 --> 00:30:41,475 Speaker 1: of well, he's too high to notice even if you 448 00:30:41,515 --> 00:30:46,675 Speaker 1: did try to confront him. Two days worse persentence in 449 00:30:47,155 --> 00:31:00,075 Speaker 1: of or doll the world to the number one story 450 00:31:00,115 --> 00:31:02,915 Speaker 1: on the Countdown and my favorite topic, me and things 451 00:31:02,955 --> 00:31:07,155 Speaker 1: I promised not to tell. To his credit, Phil Griffin 452 00:31:07,235 --> 00:31:10,755 Speaker 1: later recanted this and apologized for it, at least to me. 453 00:31:11,555 --> 00:31:13,995 Speaker 1: But during the fourth or fifth month out of the 454 00:31:14,035 --> 00:31:17,475 Speaker 1: twelve that I tried to talk him and MSNBC into 455 00:31:17,515 --> 00:31:20,475 Speaker 1: giving one of our regular Countdown guests a shot at 456 00:31:20,515 --> 00:31:23,955 Speaker 1: guest hosting the show, he said this, And he said 457 00:31:23,955 --> 00:31:26,955 Speaker 1: it as near as I can calculate, on or about 458 00:31:27,235 --> 00:31:31,635 Speaker 1: October fifth, two thousand and seven. So the theory is, 459 00:31:31,755 --> 00:31:34,355 Speaker 1: he said, straight guys are not going to watch a 460 00:31:34,435 --> 00:31:38,595 Speaker 1: lesbian anchoring the news or doing a political commentary show 461 00:31:38,795 --> 00:31:43,075 Speaker 1: or whatever. Now he showed to borrow a current phrase 462 00:31:43,075 --> 00:31:46,035 Speaker 1: from the Trump documents case a little consciousness of guilt. 463 00:31:46,995 --> 00:31:50,235 Speaker 1: I have nothing against them. God, No, I'm not prejudiced. 464 00:31:50,315 --> 00:31:54,915 Speaker 1: I went to Vasser. He actually said that I think 465 00:31:54,955 --> 00:31:57,115 Speaker 1: she's great on the show, but you know, maybe men 466 00:31:57,195 --> 00:32:00,875 Speaker 1: just won't be you know, I pretended to not know, 467 00:32:01,035 --> 00:32:04,035 Speaker 1: so he'd have to say it, they won't be attracted 468 00:32:04,075 --> 00:32:07,955 Speaker 1: to Rachel Man. Honest to God. Even as he spoke, 469 00:32:07,995 --> 00:32:10,395 Speaker 1: I had a sense of the great opportunity flying out 470 00:32:10,395 --> 00:32:14,235 Speaker 1: Phil Griffin's NBC window, Or maybe more accurately, I had 471 00:32:14,235 --> 00:32:17,515 Speaker 1: a sense of the opportunity to build a base of authentic, 472 00:32:17,675 --> 00:32:22,635 Speaker 1: fact driven, genuine liberal news commentary on corporate television being 473 00:32:22,675 --> 00:32:26,315 Speaker 1: pushed out that window to plummet to its death, and 474 00:32:26,475 --> 00:32:30,675 Speaker 1: that surprisingly chintzy skating right next to thirty Rock. I 475 00:32:30,715 --> 00:32:33,475 Speaker 1: told Phil that I hoped he realized what he was saying. 476 00:32:33,515 --> 00:32:36,595 Speaker 1: Whether he and thus NBC thought they were not prejudiced, 477 00:32:36,875 --> 00:32:40,155 Speaker 1: they were in fact prejudicing at right that very minute, 478 00:32:40,755 --> 00:32:44,555 Speaker 1: and there were many of them prejudicing. But I also 479 00:32:44,635 --> 00:32:46,635 Speaker 1: needed to be pragmatic. I told him that he was 480 00:32:46,675 --> 00:32:49,435 Speaker 1: also wildly wrong about his assumption of who was attractive 481 00:32:49,475 --> 00:32:51,995 Speaker 1: to whom, and the way to find that out was 482 00:32:52,035 --> 00:32:54,795 Speaker 1: to go to the popular liberal website, The Daily Coast. 483 00:32:55,635 --> 00:32:58,235 Speaker 1: I told him. Every night they live blog countdown, and 484 00:32:58,235 --> 00:33:00,995 Speaker 1: when Rachel is on, there are three kinds of comments. 485 00:33:01,355 --> 00:33:03,835 Speaker 1: Most are about what she's talked about, how smart she is, 486 00:33:03,875 --> 00:33:06,435 Speaker 1: and how right she is. The next biggest group of 487 00:33:06,475 --> 00:33:09,435 Speaker 1: comments is asking why she doesn't have her own show, 488 00:33:09,435 --> 00:33:11,475 Speaker 1: and then the last group is everybody who wants to 489 00:33:11,475 --> 00:33:14,275 Speaker 1: go to bed with her. I'd say there are very 490 00:33:14,275 --> 00:33:17,515 Speaker 1: few lesbians in this group. Phil, mostly straight men insisting 491 00:33:17,515 --> 00:33:19,395 Speaker 1: they'd ask her out just in case she'd gotten her 492 00:33:19,435 --> 00:33:22,275 Speaker 1: orientation wrong. And there's a lot of straight women in 493 00:33:22,275 --> 00:33:24,195 Speaker 1: there saying they date her just in case they'd gotten 494 00:33:24,235 --> 00:33:27,435 Speaker 1: their orientation wrong. And for God's sakes, there are comments 495 00:33:27,475 --> 00:33:29,955 Speaker 1: from people claiming they're gay men, and they say they 496 00:33:29,995 --> 00:33:33,395 Speaker 1: love her so much they give it a shot. I 497 00:33:33,515 --> 00:33:37,075 Speaker 1: confess this might be counterintuitive if you were a television 498 00:33:37,115 --> 00:33:39,675 Speaker 1: executive and that's not as smart as the average person, 499 00:33:39,875 --> 00:33:43,915 Speaker 1: but it was still all true. I hope to God 500 00:33:43,995 --> 00:33:46,475 Speaker 1: this is not what you're basing your position on this on, 501 00:33:46,835 --> 00:33:50,555 Speaker 1: I told him, but she is not physically attractive only 502 00:33:50,595 --> 00:33:55,195 Speaker 1: to other lesbians. She is, in fact physically attractive to everybody. 503 00:33:55,915 --> 00:33:59,075 Speaker 1: Phil cut me off. It won't work, buddy. Besides, even 504 00:33:59,075 --> 00:34:00,715 Speaker 1: if I believed you, there are all the problems that 505 00:34:00,715 --> 00:34:03,595 Speaker 1: Steve Kappas has with the idea. Last time I brought 506 00:34:03,595 --> 00:34:07,435 Speaker 1: it up, I thought Cappus was to start crying. Steve 507 00:34:07,475 --> 00:34:11,635 Speaker 1: Cappus was the president of NBC News. How no one 508 00:34:11,755 --> 00:34:15,995 Speaker 1: had any idea. He had been Brian Williams's line producer 509 00:34:16,035 --> 00:34:18,955 Speaker 1: upon the launch of MSNBC more than a decade earlier, 510 00:34:19,155 --> 00:34:23,075 Speaker 1: and after Brian finished murdering Tom Brokaw's career and carving 511 00:34:23,155 --> 00:34:25,635 Speaker 1: up the parts and smuggling them out under his toga, 512 00:34:25,875 --> 00:34:29,835 Speaker 1: Cappus got the big chair. Griffin was not yet officially 513 00:34:29,915 --> 00:34:32,995 Speaker 1: president of MSNBC, but would become so soon, and he 514 00:34:33,115 --> 00:34:37,555 Speaker 1: ran the place, and Cappus was his boss. I did 515 00:34:37,595 --> 00:34:41,555 Speaker 1: not literally pitch this new madow show idea every day 516 00:34:41,635 --> 00:34:44,715 Speaker 1: to every one of the dozens of Thanksgiving Day parade 517 00:34:44,715 --> 00:34:49,075 Speaker 1: balloon sized egos who ran MSNBC and NBC News, and 518 00:34:49,155 --> 00:34:51,755 Speaker 1: they did not literally each have a different answer. It 519 00:34:51,795 --> 00:34:56,115 Speaker 1: only seemed that way Cappus, who would later be fired 520 00:34:56,155 --> 00:34:59,955 Speaker 1: by his new Comcast boss after she told me he 521 00:35:00,075 --> 00:35:03,835 Speaker 1: told her he would not work for some woman. Cappus 522 00:35:03,875 --> 00:35:06,715 Speaker 1: had some gender based misgivings too, But the objection that 523 00:35:06,835 --> 00:35:10,315 Speaker 1: was uniquely his was that to air a second show 524 00:35:10,435 --> 00:35:15,755 Speaker 1: similar to mine would quote brand MSNBC as a liberal network. 525 00:35:16,955 --> 00:35:20,395 Speaker 1: He then contradicted himself. You have the only liberal newscast 526 00:35:20,435 --> 00:35:22,395 Speaker 1: on cable. Why do you want to give up the monopoly? 527 00:35:23,715 --> 00:35:26,475 Speaker 1: I really did not know where he was going with this. Okay, 528 00:35:26,475 --> 00:35:29,675 Speaker 1: you're the only liberal news show on cable, No on television. 529 00:35:29,875 --> 00:35:32,755 Speaker 1: Why let anybody else onto your turf? What if she 530 00:35:32,835 --> 00:35:34,955 Speaker 1: was more popular than you. What if she was easier 531 00:35:34,995 --> 00:35:37,755 Speaker 1: to work with within you, and we phased you out 532 00:35:37,755 --> 00:35:40,475 Speaker 1: and phased her in. What if she took less money 533 00:35:41,035 --> 00:35:43,755 Speaker 1: and we could be paying you less money or threatening 534 00:35:43,795 --> 00:35:45,715 Speaker 1: you to have to take less money. What if she 535 00:35:45,795 --> 00:35:48,395 Speaker 1: took less What if she took money, we could be 536 00:35:48,435 --> 00:35:55,955 Speaker 1: paying you. I felt myself inhaling deeply. Steve, I don't 537 00:35:56,115 --> 00:35:58,395 Speaker 1: do this so I can be some kind of liberal 538 00:35:58,475 --> 00:36:02,875 Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh. I believe what I say on the air. 539 00:36:03,075 --> 00:36:07,235 Speaker 1: I believe it's necessary to the you know, survival of 540 00:36:07,235 --> 00:36:09,795 Speaker 1: the country. I really don't think we can survive another 541 00:36:09,835 --> 00:36:14,795 Speaker 1: Republican president after Bush. Steve, I want other liberal hosts, Hell, 542 00:36:14,875 --> 00:36:18,155 Speaker 1: I want twenty three other liberal hosts. And you know 543 00:36:19,195 --> 00:36:21,155 Speaker 1: I have enough money. If you want to give me 544 00:36:21,195 --> 00:36:23,995 Speaker 1: some more money, I'll take some more money, but i'd 545 00:36:24,075 --> 00:36:29,715 Speaker 1: rather have another show on MSNBC following mine. And you 546 00:36:29,755 --> 00:36:32,275 Speaker 1: know about the money. Money is another reason I don't 547 00:36:32,275 --> 00:36:34,635 Speaker 1: care about a monopoly. I know this will sound weird. 548 00:36:35,355 --> 00:36:38,995 Speaker 1: I think you guys should be rewarded with more money 549 00:36:39,475 --> 00:36:41,955 Speaker 1: for backing me up as this show has gotten, you know, 550 00:36:42,595 --> 00:36:45,195 Speaker 1: less and less newsy and more and more commentary. E 551 00:36:46,395 --> 00:36:47,795 Speaker 1: That's what I think of when I think of the 552 00:36:47,875 --> 00:36:51,195 Speaker 1: term he's a team player. You should get some money. 553 00:36:52,075 --> 00:36:55,355 Speaker 1: Steve Kappus moved behind his desk and began to shuffle papers. 554 00:36:55,435 --> 00:36:58,315 Speaker 1: I could see the papers were blank, and Steve, I 555 00:36:58,395 --> 00:37:00,995 Speaker 1: know how much money this would be worth to you. 556 00:37:01,435 --> 00:37:05,235 Speaker 1: That got his attention. I said, I do know. The 557 00:37:05,275 --> 00:37:07,515 Speaker 1: salesman wander into my office once a week, or they 558 00:37:07,555 --> 00:37:09,835 Speaker 1: send bottles of champagne, or if they ask if they 559 00:37:10,075 --> 00:37:12,835 Speaker 1: can send me hookers because they're finally selling ad time 560 00:37:12,875 --> 00:37:16,555 Speaker 1: on the network. You know that, right, He nodded with annoyance. 561 00:37:17,115 --> 00:37:19,275 Speaker 1: So they tell me that your profit off me last 562 00:37:19,355 --> 00:37:22,235 Speaker 1: year was like one hundred million dollars. I don't care 563 00:37:22,275 --> 00:37:24,235 Speaker 1: if it's half that much or twice that much. But 564 00:37:24,315 --> 00:37:26,795 Speaker 1: I know it's a lot considering we were losing that 565 00:37:26,915 --> 00:37:28,915 Speaker 1: much four years ago when we were in fourth place. 566 00:37:29,275 --> 00:37:31,995 Speaker 1: How come you don't want to make more of that money? 567 00:37:32,995 --> 00:37:36,075 Speaker 1: What if her show did as well as mine? Between 568 00:37:36,115 --> 00:37:39,115 Speaker 1: the shows, that's two hundred million a year. Maybe what 569 00:37:39,155 --> 00:37:41,355 Speaker 1: if it only did half as well, that's one hundred 570 00:37:41,395 --> 00:37:43,235 Speaker 1: and fifty million a year. Why does an NBC want 571 00:37:43,235 --> 00:37:45,315 Speaker 1: that money? What if it does twice as well as mine? 572 00:37:45,835 --> 00:37:48,435 Speaker 1: Why do you insist on drawing the largest audience in 573 00:37:48,435 --> 00:37:52,675 Speaker 1: this network's history for a cable news liberal show, and 574 00:37:52,715 --> 00:37:54,995 Speaker 1: then as it ends at eight fifty nine to fifty nine, 575 00:37:55,075 --> 00:37:57,035 Speaker 1: you yell at them, everybody, get the hell out. We 576 00:37:57,075 --> 00:38:00,075 Speaker 1: don't want your liberal kind here. It's nine o'clock. It's 577 00:38:00,075 --> 00:38:02,635 Speaker 1: time for Dan Abrams and the missing white woman of 578 00:38:02,675 --> 00:38:07,435 Speaker 1: the Week show. Get out. Campus stood up, which was 579 00:38:07,475 --> 00:38:12,395 Speaker 1: my signal to leave. I don't discuss network finance with talent. 580 00:38:12,915 --> 00:38:15,675 Speaker 1: Ask Jeff Zucker. Oh, and even if I agreed with you, 581 00:38:15,715 --> 00:38:17,995 Speaker 1: there are all the problems Jeff Zucker has with the show. 582 00:38:19,995 --> 00:38:23,235 Speaker 1: Not a man of honor, Jeff Zucker was perpetually renegging 583 00:38:23,275 --> 00:38:26,115 Speaker 1: on something he had written into my contract renegotiation from 584 00:38:26,115 --> 00:38:28,995 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. He summoned me one day to 585 00:38:29,075 --> 00:38:31,995 Speaker 1: explain why he was renegging on the monthly essays I 586 00:38:32,035 --> 00:38:35,235 Speaker 1: was supposed to do for NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams. 587 00:38:35,755 --> 00:38:39,075 Speaker 1: The easy explainer was Brian was threatened by them. In 588 00:38:39,115 --> 00:38:42,795 Speaker 1: point of fact, Brian was threatened by everything, including rocks 589 00:38:42,835 --> 00:38:46,995 Speaker 1: and trees. I did not fight over the tedious essays, 590 00:38:47,475 --> 00:38:49,755 Speaker 1: and instead I switched the subject to the nine PM 591 00:38:49,795 --> 00:38:53,795 Speaker 1: show on MSNBC, and Zucker resumed his best friend act. Look, 592 00:38:54,035 --> 00:38:56,435 Speaker 1: you're doing great for us. You are us. There's no 593 00:38:56,475 --> 00:38:59,155 Speaker 1: doubt about this. We stank, we lost money. Now we 594 00:38:59,235 --> 00:39:01,555 Speaker 1: stink lass and we make money. Thank you. This is 595 00:39:01,555 --> 00:39:03,915 Speaker 1: why we gave you more money. I got nothing against 596 00:39:04,075 --> 00:39:06,755 Speaker 1: Rachel madd but you got to drop this. We don't 597 00:39:06,755 --> 00:39:10,235 Speaker 1: need another show. What maybe we need is supersizing your show. 598 00:39:10,315 --> 00:39:12,555 Speaker 1: Run it, you know, till nine fifteen or nine thirty, 599 00:39:12,595 --> 00:39:14,275 Speaker 1: or or we just rerun the whole hour again at 600 00:39:14,355 --> 00:39:17,475 Speaker 1: nine and maybe again at ten. And of course, and 601 00:39:17,515 --> 00:39:22,195 Speaker 1: here came the Jeff Zucker extraterrestrial lizard smile. We'd have 602 00:39:22,275 --> 00:39:26,515 Speaker 1: to pay you more. It was tough, ever, to surprise Zooker. 603 00:39:26,595 --> 00:39:28,955 Speaker 1: But he flinched when I asked him point blank about 604 00:39:28,995 --> 00:39:34,235 Speaker 1: Phil Griffin's problems with the you know, LGBTQ hosts. Oh, 605 00:39:34,275 --> 00:39:36,235 Speaker 1: we all say a lot of things, But how could 606 00:39:36,235 --> 00:39:39,315 Speaker 1: he have said that he's in charge of MSNBC. Nobody 607 00:39:39,355 --> 00:39:42,755 Speaker 1: in charge of MSNBC whatever, say a thing like that. Now, 608 00:39:42,755 --> 00:39:45,635 Speaker 1: what I remember him and I discussing is outside of 609 00:39:45,675 --> 00:39:47,875 Speaker 1: the ones ales has put on at ten after Bill 610 00:39:47,915 --> 00:39:51,235 Speaker 1: O'Reilly and Sean Hannity, Name me one woman who succeeded 611 00:39:51,235 --> 00:39:53,795 Speaker 1: anchoring her own news show in primetime on Cable one 612 00:39:53,835 --> 00:39:57,875 Speaker 1: woman or on broadcast, Name me one on broadcast, Connie Chung, 613 00:39:58,395 --> 00:40:01,635 Speaker 1: Katie Kirk? Is Katie doing well at CBS without us? 614 00:40:02,755 --> 00:40:06,955 Speaker 1: Didn't you tell Moonvest she wouldn't in primetime? You were right? Now, 615 00:40:06,995 --> 00:40:09,995 Speaker 1: think about that, and then think about how you'd supersize 616 00:40:10,035 --> 00:40:13,315 Speaker 1: countdown and how much you'd charge us for it. Okay, Pal, 617 00:40:15,235 --> 00:40:18,595 Speaker 1: if you ever had sudden memory loss and you couldn't 618 00:40:18,675 --> 00:40:22,155 Speaker 1: tell Jeff Zucker from Phil Griffin, the real thumb was 619 00:40:22,235 --> 00:40:26,355 Speaker 1: Zucker always called you pal, and Griffin always called you buddy. 620 00:40:27,875 --> 00:40:31,515 Speaker 1: The problem with this misogynistic, sexist, narrow minded answer was 621 00:40:31,515 --> 00:40:34,635 Speaker 1: that it was factually correct, and I'll wait a second. 622 00:40:34,675 --> 00:40:36,635 Speaker 1: Of course, it was only correct in the same way 623 00:40:36,635 --> 00:40:38,435 Speaker 1: that you could have looked to the White House and said, 624 00:40:38,475 --> 00:40:40,795 Speaker 1: there had been forty three presidents to that point, and 625 00:40:40,835 --> 00:40:43,555 Speaker 1: they'd all been white guys, and that proved that minorities 626 00:40:43,595 --> 00:40:46,995 Speaker 1: and women just couldn't win an election. No woman had 627 00:40:47,035 --> 00:40:50,275 Speaker 1: succeeded as a solo news anchor in cable or broadcasting 628 00:40:50,355 --> 00:40:54,355 Speaker 1: prime time. And I said to Zucker, maybe no woman 629 00:40:54,355 --> 00:40:56,755 Speaker 1: has done that, because the ones you've hired since I 630 00:40:56,835 --> 00:40:59,875 Speaker 1: first came here have been like Debbie Norville and Ashley 631 00:40:59,915 --> 00:41:04,315 Speaker 1: Banfield and Cynthia Oxney and Laura Ingram and Monica Crowley 632 00:41:04,835 --> 00:41:09,035 Speaker 1: and Rita fing Cosby. And hereupon I did my impression 633 00:41:09,035 --> 00:41:14,555 Speaker 1: of Rita Cosby's gravel goggling voice. Zucker had no answer 634 00:41:14,555 --> 00:41:17,235 Speaker 1: to that or anything else, just as Phil Griffin had 635 00:41:17,235 --> 00:41:21,235 Speaker 1: no answer, and Cappus and everybody else I tried, and 636 00:41:21,275 --> 00:41:24,235 Speaker 1: I even tried Brian Williams. They had no answers to 637 00:41:24,275 --> 00:41:27,675 Speaker 1: my inescapable argument, and I had no power to act 638 00:41:27,755 --> 00:41:32,595 Speaker 1: without them. I saw the future, the next great star 639 00:41:32,755 --> 00:41:36,195 Speaker 1: of cable news, millions of dollars in profits for NBC, 640 00:41:36,355 --> 00:41:39,795 Speaker 1: and another foothold on the sheer cliff of corporate media's 641 00:41:39,835 --> 00:41:44,275 Speaker 1: built in conservatism, a little breathing room for me. I 642 00:41:44,355 --> 00:41:47,635 Speaker 1: told everybody who would stop long enough to listen, even 643 00:41:47,675 --> 00:41:51,235 Speaker 1: the future star herself, and incredibly I had to talk 644 00:41:51,315 --> 00:41:54,115 Speaker 1: her out of her own doubts too, And we went 645 00:41:54,195 --> 00:41:56,955 Speaker 1: on like this virtually from the day I first talked 646 00:41:56,995 --> 00:41:59,875 Speaker 1: to the object of my programming desire in two thousand 647 00:41:59,875 --> 00:42:03,115 Speaker 1: and seven until the blistering afternoon in July of two 648 00:42:03,115 --> 00:42:05,875 Speaker 1: thousand and eight when phil oh Griffin finally got the 649 00:42:05,875 --> 00:42:08,435 Speaker 1: promotion to be president of MSNBC, and he phoned me 650 00:42:08,435 --> 00:42:10,555 Speaker 1: and he said, Buddy, we can now do what we've 651 00:42:10,595 --> 00:42:13,675 Speaker 1: been planning. And I had to stop myself from saying, 652 00:42:13,915 --> 00:42:20,075 Speaker 1: who's this We lone ranger. The entire edifice of MSNBC 653 00:42:20,275 --> 00:42:24,195 Speaker 1: and NBC News above me was not only adamantinne against 654 00:42:24,235 --> 00:42:27,715 Speaker 1: the Rachel Maddow Show, but it refused to even let 655 00:42:27,795 --> 00:42:31,795 Speaker 1: her guest host my show. It was this way for 656 00:42:32,075 --> 00:42:36,275 Speaker 1: nearly a year, without one crack in solidarity, and without 657 00:42:36,355 --> 00:42:40,635 Speaker 1: one answer. I even had to convince Rachel herself, although 658 00:42:40,635 --> 00:42:42,675 Speaker 1: in retrospect she seems to have been mixing a kind 659 00:42:42,675 --> 00:42:47,275 Speaker 1: of legitimate future shock fear with some very convincing Richard 660 00:42:47,395 --> 00:42:51,115 Speaker 1: iid refusing the crown Jazz. I do not think she 661 00:42:51,195 --> 00:42:53,915 Speaker 1: was being insincere when she said success might destroy her. 662 00:42:53,955 --> 00:42:55,475 Speaker 1: I do not think she was making it up when 663 00:42:55,515 --> 00:42:57,275 Speaker 1: she said, but Keith, you have to remember a couple 664 00:42:57,275 --> 00:42:59,475 Speaker 1: of years ago, I was dressed up as a dancing 665 00:42:59,555 --> 00:43:02,315 Speaker 1: cell phone outside a cell phone store in Massachusetts. I 666 00:43:02,315 --> 00:43:04,515 Speaker 1: don't think I'd f it up, but what if it 667 00:43:04,995 --> 00:43:09,755 Speaker 1: me up? The ice finally broke not long after I 668 00:43:09,835 --> 00:43:13,795 Speaker 1: had a nightmare. It was so terrifying and realistic, and 669 00:43:13,915 --> 00:43:19,155 Speaker 1: unfortunately so plausible that my then live in girlfriend, Katie Turr, 670 00:43:19,195 --> 00:43:22,915 Speaker 1: actually had to shake me awake. I was yelling, apparently 671 00:43:22,995 --> 00:43:25,835 Speaker 1: while asleep, and not because I was being chased by 672 00:43:25,875 --> 00:43:30,235 Speaker 1: monsters or by courses that I'd entirely forgotten from my 673 00:43:30,315 --> 00:43:34,955 Speaker 1: senior year in college, or both. In this nightmare, John Klein, 674 00:43:35,075 --> 00:43:37,435 Speaker 1: the president of CNN, who had wanted to pirate me 675 00:43:37,475 --> 00:43:40,915 Speaker 1: away before he was overruled by his boss Jim Walton, 676 00:43:41,555 --> 00:43:44,595 Speaker 1: had fired the person he had to take instead of me, 677 00:43:44,755 --> 00:43:48,515 Speaker 1: Campbell Brown, the NBC talent he'd settled on. And the 678 00:43:48,555 --> 00:43:50,875 Speaker 1: reason this was so terrifying was that in real life, 679 00:43:50,915 --> 00:43:53,995 Speaker 1: it was likely, if not necessarily imminent. Campbell was a 680 00:43:54,115 --> 00:43:57,235 Speaker 1: chainsmoking knit with with what she only thought was a 681 00:43:57,315 --> 00:44:00,875 Speaker 1: hidden conservative agenda. We had co anchored two days of 682 00:44:00,915 --> 00:44:03,155 Speaker 1: the weekend Today's show, and they had to open up 683 00:44:03,155 --> 00:44:05,915 Speaker 1: the emergency exit to this so she could light up 684 00:44:05,915 --> 00:44:08,875 Speaker 1: a heater, not just during commercial breaks, but even during 685 00:44:08,915 --> 00:44:12,555 Speaker 1: two minute long correspondent reports. She just kept smoking and 686 00:44:12,595 --> 00:44:15,475 Speaker 1: smoking and smoking and smoking. And I was a smoker, 687 00:44:15,475 --> 00:44:19,195 Speaker 1: and I was repulsed. In real life, CNN was going 688 00:44:19,235 --> 00:44:23,155 Speaker 1: to replace Campbell Brown soon or late. The eight PM 689 00:44:23,275 --> 00:44:27,035 Speaker 1: CNN hosts had been in order, Connie Chung, Paula's On 690 00:44:27,235 --> 00:44:30,395 Speaker 1: and Campbell Brown, and in my nightmare, the next host 691 00:44:30,395 --> 00:44:32,915 Speaker 1: would also be a woman, only this time it would 692 00:44:32,955 --> 00:44:37,115 Speaker 1: be somebody who was gonna kick my ass. Rachel Maddow. 693 00:44:38,635 --> 00:44:41,475 Speaker 1: Let me guess why you're here again, buddy, Phil Griffin 694 00:44:41,515 --> 00:44:44,395 Speaker 1: said the next afternoon in his office. It was now 695 00:44:44,475 --> 00:44:47,395 Speaker 1: the middle of the winter of seven eight. We've been 696 00:44:47,435 --> 00:44:50,955 Speaker 1: all through this. Well, what we've been through was various 697 00:44:50,995 --> 00:44:54,675 Speaker 1: iterations of the super sized countdown idea, finally dropped by 698 00:44:54,755 --> 00:44:57,315 Speaker 1: Zooker in favor of a novel concept that he and 699 00:44:57,315 --> 00:45:02,035 Speaker 1: Phil Griffin had dreamed up an LGBTQ host at nine o'clock, 700 00:45:02,915 --> 00:45:05,595 Speaker 1: but of course not the LGBTQ host that I had 701 00:45:05,595 --> 00:45:09,075 Speaker 1: suggested it, rather their brilliant idea for a host for 702 00:45:09,115 --> 00:45:15,075 Speaker 1: the nine pm show on MSNBC, following mine, Rosie O'Donnell. 703 00:45:17,435 --> 00:45:19,835 Speaker 1: In November two thousand and seven, Phil Griffin told me 704 00:45:19,875 --> 00:45:22,035 Speaker 1: he thought they were close to signing Rosie O'Donnell, and 705 00:45:22,075 --> 00:45:23,675 Speaker 1: as usual, he had leaked it to The New York 706 00:45:23,715 --> 00:45:26,875 Speaker 1: Times just so everybody would know how damned earnest he was. 707 00:45:27,795 --> 00:45:30,755 Speaker 1: But then Rosie announced she only wanted to do a 708 00:45:30,795 --> 00:45:33,115 Speaker 1: show three days a week, and none of them in 709 00:45:33,195 --> 00:45:39,995 Speaker 1: a row. The prospect of Monday Rosie, Tuesday Bupkus, Wednesday Rosie, 710 00:45:40,035 --> 00:45:44,395 Speaker 1: Thursday Bupkus, Friday Rosie proved too much, even for Phil's 711 00:45:44,395 --> 00:45:48,115 Speaker 1: ability to convince himself of almost anything. You got anything 712 00:45:48,155 --> 00:45:49,835 Speaker 1: new I can shoot down? Or can we just talk 713 00:45:49,875 --> 00:45:53,835 Speaker 1: about the mets I told him about my Rachel Maddow 714 00:45:53,915 --> 00:45:56,755 Speaker 1: John Klin Nightmare CNN. They don't even know who Rachel 715 00:45:56,755 --> 00:45:59,995 Speaker 1: Mattow is. Why would they hire her? Why would they 716 00:45:59,995 --> 00:46:01,715 Speaker 1: put her on at eight against you? Why would you 717 00:46:01,795 --> 00:46:05,355 Speaker 1: put a liberal show on against another liberal show? The 718 00:46:05,475 --> 00:46:09,755 Speaker 1: nonsense of his rhetorical question actually seemed to briefly register 719 00:46:09,915 --> 00:46:13,755 Speaker 1: with him. Then it died quickly somewhere in some brain cells, 720 00:46:13,795 --> 00:46:16,115 Speaker 1: burned out by all the stuff he'd smoked when we'd 721 00:46:16,115 --> 00:46:21,595 Speaker 1: worked together at CNN in the early eighties. Nah, I mumbled, 722 00:46:21,875 --> 00:46:24,475 Speaker 1: I work for idiots, but it was not loud enough 723 00:46:24,475 --> 00:46:26,755 Speaker 1: for him to hear. Phil. What if they do it 724 00:46:27,555 --> 00:46:31,995 Speaker 1: just to you know, take away some of our audience. 725 00:46:32,355 --> 00:46:34,115 Speaker 1: What if they do it just to make sure we 726 00:46:34,195 --> 00:46:37,715 Speaker 1: don't give her our nine o'clock show. What if they, 727 00:46:38,395 --> 00:46:41,595 Speaker 1: you know, gave her a show and then promoted it 728 00:46:41,675 --> 00:46:47,235 Speaker 1: with what are they called advertisements and maybe even you know, commercials? 729 00:46:47,755 --> 00:46:49,995 Speaker 1: Or what if she's really effing good like she is 730 00:46:50,035 --> 00:46:52,075 Speaker 1: every effing time we efing put her on the show 731 00:46:52,115 --> 00:46:54,475 Speaker 1: with me. Can't we at least try her as my 732 00:46:54,555 --> 00:46:56,475 Speaker 1: fill in host? Can't we at least get her a 733 00:46:56,555 --> 00:46:59,835 Speaker 1: deal to keep her from leaving, just as a contributor. 734 00:47:00,035 --> 00:47:03,635 Speaker 1: What would it cost you forty grand? Fifty grand? To 735 00:47:03,795 --> 00:47:07,675 Speaker 1: my shock, Phil Griffin agreed to give Rachel Maddow a 736 00:47:07,715 --> 00:47:12,755 Speaker 1: contributors contract for forty or fifty grand. Yeah, let's do that, buddy, 737 00:47:12,875 --> 00:47:15,355 Speaker 1: Let's show it chuck you up for a while. I 738 00:47:15,395 --> 00:47:18,955 Speaker 1: shook his hand. No, of course not, I said, and 739 00:47:18,995 --> 00:47:21,355 Speaker 1: of course he was lying. Phil never signed Rachel to 740 00:47:21,395 --> 00:47:24,475 Speaker 1: a contributors contract, which is how a few weeks later 741 00:47:24,675 --> 00:47:27,715 Speaker 1: we almost lost her to CNN for two hundred and 742 00:47:27,795 --> 00:47:30,715 Speaker 1: fifty freaking dollars and I had to pay her four 743 00:47:30,795 --> 00:47:33,475 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven dollars in cash to keep her 744 00:47:33,475 --> 00:47:42,635 Speaker 1: from going to CNN. But I've already told you that story. 745 00:47:51,755 --> 00:47:53,515 Speaker 1: I've done all the damage I can do here. Thank 746 00:47:53,555 --> 00:47:55,315 Speaker 1: you for listening. Countdown has come to you from the 747 00:47:55,355 --> 00:47:58,875 Speaker 1: world headquarters of the Olderman Broadcasting Empire in New York. 748 00:47:59,675 --> 00:48:03,515 Speaker 1: Countdown musical directors Brian Ray and John Phillips Chanel arranged, produced, 749 00:48:03,515 --> 00:48:06,195 Speaker 1: and performed most of our music. Mister Ray was on 750 00:48:06,235 --> 00:48:09,755 Speaker 1: the guitars, bass and drums, and mister Chanel handled orchestration 751 00:48:09,835 --> 00:48:13,515 Speaker 1: and keyboards, and it was produced by Tko Brothers. Other music, 752 00:48:13,555 --> 00:48:16,515 Speaker 1: including some of the Beethoven compositions, arranged and performed by 753 00:48:16,515 --> 00:48:19,275 Speaker 1: the group No Horns Allowed. The sports music is the 754 00:48:19,315 --> 00:48:22,835 Speaker 1: Alderman theme from ESPN two, written by Mitch Warren Davis 755 00:48:22,875 --> 00:48:26,915 Speaker 1: courtesy of ESPN Inc. Our satirical and pithy musical comments 756 00:48:26,915 --> 00:48:29,875 Speaker 1: are by Nancy Faust, the best baseball stadium organist ever. 757 00:48:30,235 --> 00:48:32,835 Speaker 1: Our announcer today was my dear friend John Dean, and 758 00:48:32,915 --> 00:48:36,875 Speaker 1: everything else was pretty much my fault. That's countdown for this, 759 00:48:37,075 --> 00:48:40,475 Speaker 1: the two hundred and eightieth day until the twenty twenty 760 00:48:40,475 --> 00:48:45,235 Speaker 1: four US presidential election and the twenty first day since 761 00:48:45,275 --> 00:48:49,235 Speaker 1: dementia j Trump's first attempted coup against the democratically elected 762 00:48:49,275 --> 00:48:52,435 Speaker 1: government of the United States. Use the Fourteenth Amendment, the 763 00:48:52,435 --> 00:48:55,355 Speaker 1: Insurrection Act, the justice system, and the mental health system 764 00:48:55,595 --> 00:49:00,155 Speaker 1: to stop him from doing it again while we still can. 765 00:49:01,275 --> 00:49:04,315 Speaker 1: My next scheduled countdown is tomorrow, boltons as the news warrants, 766 00:49:04,315 --> 00:49:07,275 Speaker 1: and if my voice holds out till then, I'm Keith Alremman. 767 00:49:07,315 --> 00:49:15,995 Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good night, and good luck. We 768 00:49:16,035 --> 00:49:19,115 Speaker 1: have Ted Nugit. We have influencers, right, we have all 769 00:49:19,235 --> 00:49:24,315 Speaker 1: these people. John Voight, John Voight, still Alive, Jon Voight. 770 00:49:25,195 --> 00:49:29,155 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olreman is a production of iHeartRadio. 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