1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: is Col's Week in Review with Ryan Col Kalahan. Here's 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: cal presidential hopeful Robert F. Kennedy Junior admitted last week 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: that he picked up a road killed black bear cub, 5 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: brought it to Central Park in New York City, and 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: made it look like it had been killed by someone 7 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: on a bicycle who says politics are boring. Kennedy made 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: the strange maya culpa and a video posted to his 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: social media accounts He's trying to get out in front 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: of a New Yorker article that will break the story, 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: and he hopes he can control the narrative before it 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: spins out of control. 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: Woman in a van in. 14 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: Front of me hit a bear and killed it, a 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: young bear. So I pulled over and I picked up 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: the bear and put him in the back of my 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: van because I was in this in the bear and 18 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: it was very good condition, and I was going to 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: and put the meat my refrigerator. And you can do 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: that in the York to say you can get a 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: bear a tag for a road killed bear. 22 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen this, he's literally talking to Roseanne 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: bar amongst other people, and uh, you know, Roseanne, it's 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: enough said. Anyway. Kennedy explains that he had some functions 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: to attend in New York City, but he didn't want 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: to leave the bear in his car, so he landed 27 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: on a brilliant idea. 28 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: You know, at that time, this was a little bit 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: of the redneck and me. There'd been a series of 30 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: bicycle accidents in New York. They just look in the 31 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: bike lanes and people a couple of people are killed. 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: And it was every day, and people badly injured every day. 33 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: It was in the press, and so I thought I 34 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: wasn't drinking, of course, but people were. 35 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: Drinking with me, who thought this was a good idea. 36 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: I had old lifebody, when you get rid of it, 37 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: I said, let's go put the bear in Central Park 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: and we'll make it look like. 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: The appearance of a dead bear baffled New York authorities 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: for several days back in twenty fourteen, but no one 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: could figure out what happened or how it got there. 42 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: After this story broke, the New York Department of Environmental 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: Conservation has said it won't find RFK Junior for his 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: actions because the statute of limitations for his offense is 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: only one year. Maybe the most unbelievable part of this 46 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: story is a Kennedy referring to himself as a redneck. 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: But the independent presidential candidate is a dedicated falconer. He 48 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: has experienced skinning animals, and he obviously appreciates a good 49 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: bear steak. I doubt this story will help his electoral 50 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: chances with most people, but hunters and conservationists can at 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: least appreciate that position. We've all been in of Oh 52 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: my gosh, this just happened at the wrong time. I've 53 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: grossly underestimated my ability and time on the calendar to 54 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: deal with this big pile of protein. I just know 55 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: that the folks who listened to this show at this 56 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: point go, But I did it. I got to deal 57 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: with it. I'll make it happen, even if I have 58 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: to stay up all night. That's just what you do. 59 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: We've all been there many times. Don't go try and 60 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: make headlines with a perfectly good critter. This week, we've 61 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: got public relations, public service legislation, and so much more. 62 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: But first I'm going to tell you about my week, 63 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: and one of the many highlights was being able to 64 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: meet up with a few folks at Allwaters Dotorg. Matt Bond, 65 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: his son Noah, and Christopher Killing We got together for 66 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: a morning of diving on the California coast outside of Carmel, California. 67 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: Water temp was a balmy forty eight degrees, which is 68 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: insane at least to me a Montana kid. For August. 69 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: The visibility was fantastic. We had at least thirty five 70 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: feet of gorgeous diving biz. A couple of things you 71 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: should remember about the name Matt Bond. Matt was a 72 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: previous guest we had here on the weekend Review. We 73 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: had a great conversation regarding marine protected areas in California. 74 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: MPAs have varying levels of restrictions. Currently, California Marine Protected 75 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: areas span about sixteen percent of California's coast. They range 76 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: in levels of restriction from you can fish it to 77 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: you can't be in it at all. Those MPAs are 78 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: up for a decatal review, and there's certain groups out 79 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: there that are lobbying for the expansion of MPAs and 80 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: possibly just to restrict fishermen from fishing. People accessing the 81 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: ocean next to fancy houses runs the whole gamut. So 82 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: with this in mind. It wasn't a coincidence that we 83 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: chose a walking in spot adjacent to an MPa. This 84 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: spot took advantage of one of the greatest tools ever 85 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: created for the public access, the Public Access Easement. This 86 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: little tiny easement was through what I would call a 87 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: very affluent cliff side neighborhood. It also had minimal poison oak. 88 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: There was great diving. The fish action could have been 89 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: a little hotter, but we picked up some rockfish and 90 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: the cab is on, all of which are fantastic eating. 91 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: I saw some absolutely fantastic giant sea and m and 92 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: E's cloud of krill sea otters, gotta dive, some kelp, 93 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: gotta stick my head, and a bunch of holes looking 94 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: for lin cod. Didn't find any, but that was super fun. 95 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: Also really got to see the destruction, the decimation of 96 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: the seafloor caused by purple sea urchins. In southern California, 97 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: where I've been diving the most, there's purple sea urchins around. 98 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: They tend to just be bigger from my very little experience, 99 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: Whereas get up in those NorCal waters and there's just 100 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: a gagillion of them and they're super tiny and it's wild. 101 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: It's wild. It really does kind of look like a 102 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: dead zone, even though there's plenty of life, but it 103 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: doesn't look good. We've covered purple sea urchins before. Purple 104 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: sea urchins are one of the things that destroys KELP 105 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: for us, are crazily biologically diverse. Lots of species depend 106 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: on them. Kelp is the thing, and it's often the 107 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: thing that is cited the most when people want to 108 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: impose MPAs, although the jury's kind of out as to 109 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: whether they truly help KELP get re established. Anyway, this 110 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: spot would not be possible to get to without the access, 111 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: which again was an easement through this fancy neighborhood. And 112 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: this whole MPa question made me think of this other question, 113 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: which is if this MPa that we were walking adjacent 114 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: to were to be expanded, and this was a not 115 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: phishing legal MPa is a stay out. If that thing 116 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: were expanded, what would happen to this easement? Right, The 117 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: easement wasn't down to a nice beach that you'd take 118 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: the family to. It was rocky. I'm sure at high 119 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: tide it'd be considered pretty dangerous. There's plenty of swell 120 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: in other words, You're probably not going to walk down 121 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: that thing unless you can go fishing. It's not a 122 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: surf break. So what would happen if that MPa were 123 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: to be expanded and you still couln't fish in the 124 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: MPa to that easement? Well, as we've covered a good 125 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: jillion times here in the Old Cow's Weekend Review, if 126 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: you google easement, the first thing that pops up is 127 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of lawyers who specialize in getting rid of 128 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: ease months. And how do you get rid of ease months? 129 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: It's by proving that they're not being used. So when 130 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: you start paying attention to the public process of the 131 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: Marine Protected Area review that's going on right now, you 132 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: need to keep in mind that the potential expansion of 133 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: an MPa could eliminate a lot more than just fishing. 134 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: It could eliminate the ability for the public to access 135 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: the ocean in any way in these areas, which some 136 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: believe is the actual point behind some of the proposals 137 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: to add or expand MPAs on the California coast. We're 138 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: gonna get Matt back on here, maybe Chris two talk 139 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: about MPAs where we're at right now. It's an ongoing process, 140 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: and it's one you got to be involved in. Moving 141 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: on to Beautiful British Columbia, a hunting outfitter in BC 142 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: is receiving threats after accidentally using a photo of a 143 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: famous wolf to promote its guiding services. Now, anti hunting 144 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: groups in BC are using the incident to push for 145 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: a wolf hunting ban in the entire province. The owner 146 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: of Terminus Mountain Outfitters and Grand Forks, British Columbia told 147 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: local media that he had hired a web developer to 148 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: set up a page about their wolf hunting packages. Along 149 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: with images of successful hunts, the developer had also used 150 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: several images of living wolves. Unfortunately for him and his 151 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: peace of mind, one of those images was of a 152 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: celebrity wolf named Takaya. Takiya was a gray wolf from 153 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: BC's coast, made famous by a photographer and animal rights 154 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: activist named Cheryl Alexander. Alexander had been documenting this wolf's 155 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: movements since twenty twelve until he was killed by a 156 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: legal hunter in twenty twenty. Takaya became a kind of 157 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: rallying cry for the anti hunting crowd, and he's been 158 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: featured in a film and in books. Alexander says she 159 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: was quote researching trophy hunting in Canada when she stumbled 160 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: upon a photo she'd taken of te Kaya on Terminus 161 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: Mountains website. She posted about it multiple times on Instagram, 162 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: and both of those posts went viral. She said in 163 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: the caption she was shocked to see the image of 164 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: the wolf on a hunting website and use the opportunity 165 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: to push an end to wolf hunting in the province. 166 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: She said, quote. Unlike killing pets like cats and dogs, 167 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: killing wild animals for fun isn't an illegal criminal action 168 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: in Canada, but it should be. People will continue to 169 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: kill for trophies unless the laws and government regulations change. 170 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: Alexander defines trophy hunting as not hunting for food. It's 171 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: true that most wolf hunters don't eat their kill, but 172 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: I wonder why a wolf pelt, rug or blanket is 173 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: so much less useful or moral than an elk steak. 174 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: Seems like in both instances, the animal is being used 175 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: as a resource, not just as a trophy. Whatever trophy 176 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: means to you. I will point out lots of people 177 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: do eat wolves, been lots written about it. If I 178 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: ever snap a cap or a trap on a wolf, 179 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: I'll certainly be eating it. But the point we're trying 180 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: to make here is it's a renewable resource. You know. 181 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: You may not see it that way, or choose to 182 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: see it that way, but wolves are doing just fine 183 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: in British Columbia and there's many uses for that critter. 184 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: For his part, the owner of Terminus Mountain Outfitters said 185 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: he had no idea the developer had used an image 186 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: of a famous wolf, asked that the photoill be taken down. 187 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: He said he never meant to offend anybody, and he 188 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: told local media that he respects different opinions on the topic, 189 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: but that hasn't been enough to quiet the anti hunting mob. 190 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: He said he's received numerous angry and threatening messages, and 191 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: the outfitter has removed all mention of wolves and wolf 192 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: hunting from the site. They've also taken down their phone number, 193 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: and they've turned off commenting on their Instagram posts. We 194 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: reached out to Terminus Mountain for more info. We'll keep 195 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: you in the loop when we hear back. Moving on 196 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: to the volunteer desk, I always like to see hunters 197 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: and anglers volunteering to improve public lands and today, I 198 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: have two great stories out of South Dakota. First, bow 199 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: hunters in the western part of the state are volunteering 200 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: to replace sheep fences with a pronghorn friendly alternative. Joshua 201 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Hire of South Dakota. Spotlight reports that members of the 202 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: South Dakota Bow Hunters Association have been working with landowners 203 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: to make the landscape a bit safer for North America's 204 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: fastest land mammal. This state is home to tens of 205 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: thousands of hunters, and every year we take and take, 206 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: said association member and volunteer Rob Mahaffey. Let's also give back. 207 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: You might be surprised to learn that pronghorn also called antelope, 208 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: prefer to go underwire fences rather than leap over them. 209 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: Anelope can hit speeds of up to sixty miles per hour. 210 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: Even with all that speed and agility, they just don't 211 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: like to jump. Antelope can get stuck in a standard 212 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: barbed wire fence when trying to evade predators or during 213 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: a blizzard. So South Dakota operates a public program that 214 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: pays landowners up to two thousand dollars for wildlife friendly 215 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: fencing projects. These fences have a maximum top wire height 216 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: of forty two inches, a second strand of wire at 217 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: thirty inches, a third wire at twenty four inches, and 218 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: a smooth bottom wire at eighteen inches plenty of room 219 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: for pronghorn to squeeze through. The problem is, even if 220 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: a landowner wants to replace some of his fencing, he 221 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: often doesn't have the time or resources to do it himself. 222 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: That's where the South Dakota Bow Hunters Association comes in. 223 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: They've organized three work days and helped landowners from move 224 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: and replace about four miles of fencing. They plan to 225 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: do another six miles in the coming weeks, and they 226 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: say this is just the beginning. If you live in 227 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: South Dakota and want to get involved, send an email 228 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: to SDBI dot net at gmail dot com, or check 229 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: them out on Facebook and Instagram. Staying in the Mount 230 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: Rushmore State, the Black Hills Flying Fish Club is working 231 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: to mitigate beaver damage on Rapid Creek. The beaver population 232 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: in Rapid City has increased over the last few months 233 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: and some old trees have been removed due to damage. 234 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: So the fly Fishing Club joined forces with two other groups, 235 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: Trout Not Trash and clean Up Rapid Creek to paint 236 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: the base of large trees along the waterway. The paint 237 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: is mixed with sand, which deters beavers from munching on 238 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: those particular trees. This allows the beavers to stay in 239 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: the area, but keeps them from causing too much damage 240 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: for especially troublesome beavers. These groups have also launched a 241 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: trapping and relocation program. A big adaboy to everyone who 242 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: volunteered for these projects in South Dakota. For everyone else, 243 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: I guarantee there are similar opportunities in your neck of 244 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: the woods. Get involved with your local conservation groups and 245 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: see how you can give back to the landscapes we 246 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: enjoy so much. Moving on to the fishing desk, Speaking 247 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: of voluntary conservation programs, a listener recently sent me information 248 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: about a nonprofit that wants anglers to release popular game 249 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: fish if they are over twenty inches long. Listener Kaylin 250 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: Pichoki sent me a link to an outfit called Release 251 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: over twenty. This group was founded in twenty twenty by 252 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: a fellow named David Fladd, who says he started the 253 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: organization because he was worried about the spotted sea trout 254 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: population off the South Carolina coast. He wanted to see 255 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: more big trout in Charleston, and he knew that large 256 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: fish tend to be female. It's important to preserve these 257 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: big fish so they can pass down their survivor genes 258 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: and maintain the population, so he organized a nonprofit that 259 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: seeks to give anglers incentives for releasing speckled trout, foun 260 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: sheep's head, and red drum that measure over twenty inches 261 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: in length. Anglers report on Release over twenty dot org 262 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: when they've released one of these big fish, and the 263 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: website tracks which anglers have released the most. Flad also 264 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: sends anglers free decals for their truck or cooler, and 265 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: he's secured corporate sponsors to donate items that are given 266 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: away in monthly random drawings. I've never claimed to be 267 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: the first person to advocate for releasing bigger fish, and 268 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: of course many people have done it for years, Flat 269 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: rights on his website, But I hope that by starting 270 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: a Release over twenty I have given others something to 271 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: rally around, talk about, and hopefully participate in. That's all 272 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: I could hope for. As of this recording, participating anglers 273 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: have released twelve, seven hundred and fifteen speckled trout, four 274 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: hundred and forty nine flounder, three hundred and thirty four 275 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: sheep's head, and two two hundred and sixty three red drum. 276 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: An angler named Corey Mayo has the most releases with 277 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty four, and Virginia is leading all 278 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: other states with five six hundred and thirty five four releases. 279 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: They've had anglers participate from twelve states, including Texas, New Jersey, 280 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: and Mississippi. Flat isn't the first angler to advocate returning 281 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: big fish to the water, for sure. He's also not 282 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: the first outdoorsman to launch a campaign four hunters and 283 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: anglers to go above and beyond the published regulations. You 284 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: may remember last year when we covered the led Deer 285 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: Walk program in Wyoming. That movement asked hunters to sit 286 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: out the deer and antelope season in an effort to 287 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: help the herds that were hit by an especially bad 288 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: winter in twenty twenty two. In twenty twenty three, hunters 289 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: could enter their unfilled tags into a drawing for prizes 290 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: donated by companies like Weatherby and Polaris. I love the 291 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: intention behind these programs, and I think people's hearts are 292 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: in the right place, but there are some potential downsides. 293 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: It does take some decision making power out of the 294 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: hands of biologists who have a deep understanding of the 295 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: most current science. Flat explains that he founded the organization 296 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: because that the South Carolina state legislature puts the public 297 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: before the resource when crafting wild life regulations, which may 298 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: be true. You might also argue that there can't be 299 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: any harm in releasing big fish, and I doubt you'd 300 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: find a biologist who would say that Release over twenty 301 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: is really harming the resource. That being said, population health 302 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: usually depends more on habitat than anything else, and I 303 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't want anglers skipping habitat improvement work because they think 304 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: they've done their part by releasing big fish. Slot limits 305 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: are important for managing marine resources, but let's be sure 306 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: we're walking and chewing gum at the same time. In 307 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: this case, that means investigating habitat loss in addition to overfishing. 308 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about Release over twenty, 309 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: go to Release over twenty dot org. Moving on to 310 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: one of our least controversial desks, the lead Ammunition Desk, 311 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: The US Fish and Wildlife Service announced last week the 312 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: introduction of a pilot program to encourage hunters to switch 313 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: to lead free ammunition. The program will be entirely voluntary 314 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: and will begin its seven national wildlife refuges during the 315 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: fall of this year. The program is the brainchild of 316 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: the Hunting and Wildlife Conservation Council. This council was announced 317 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: by the Biden administration in September of twenty twenty two 318 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: to advise the federal government on issues related to hunting, fishing, 319 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: habitat conservation, and shooting sports. There was controversy about some 320 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: of the appointees, but in this case their recommendation matches 321 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: what we know about lead free ammunition. Hunters don't like 322 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: being told what kind of ammo to use. That's why 323 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: the Council has recommended a program that encourages, but doesn't force, 324 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: hunters to switch to lead free alternatives. US Fish and 325 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: Wildlife Service will offer a rebate for hunters who voluntarily 326 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: choose to use copper and other lead free ammo. This 327 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: will include prepaid debit cards for reimbursement with proof of purchase, 328 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: and other refuge specific economic incentives. The Service will be 329 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: monitoring the success of the program to determine how many 330 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: hunters make the switch. The program will be available at 331 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: seven refuges across the country, Patoka River in Indiana, Blackwater 332 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: and Maryland, Wallkill River in New Jersey, Pecosa and Lakes 333 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: in North Carolina, William L. Finley and Oregon, Canaan Valley 334 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: in West Virginia, and Trumpeloo in Wisconsin. Most of these 335 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: refuges will only offer the rebate program for deer and 336 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: elk hunters, but a few of them include other species 337 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: as well. Whether you oppose or support the Biden administration's 338 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: push to outlaw LED tackle and ammunition, most hook and 339 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: bullet groups agree that voluntary incentive programs are the way 340 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: to go. These programs have seen success on the state level, 341 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: and this federal program has earned the support of groups 342 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: like the Congressional Sportsman's Foundation, the Boonen Crockett Club, and 343 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. According to Becky Humphries of TRCP, quote, 344 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: voluntary incentives and public education continue to represent the most 345 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: effective approach to convince hunters to use non led ammunition. 346 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,239 Speaker 1: The fact is most hunters care about the environment. They 347 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: don't want to cause unnecessary harm to non target species 348 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: like raptors, and if given a choice, many will do 349 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: everything they can to limit their harmful impacts on the 350 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: places they love to hunt and fish. But outdoors people 351 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: are also independent. If you force them into something, they'll 352 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: be less likely to support it. That's why voluntary, led 353 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: free programs have worked, and I'm hoping this new program 354 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: is a sign of things to come. Moving on to 355 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: the legislative desk, no legislation is just The Wisconsin Department 356 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: of Natural Resources has agreed to strike a regulation that 357 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: bars and anglers from carrying firearms on the water. The 358 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: regulation was put in place twenty five years ago and 359 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: stemmed from an even older rule to stop people from 360 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: shooting muskies. This had been a common means of take 361 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: in previous decades, when anglers would shoot the fish with 362 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: small caliber pistols to kill it before bringing it in 363 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: the boat. However, the practice had fallen out of favor 364 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: by the mid sixties and was deemed unsportsmanlike by the 365 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: Conservation Commission. The DNR rewrote the rule in nineteen ninety 366 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: nine to prohibit the possession of any firearm while on 367 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: the waters, banks, or shores that might be used for 368 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: the purpose of fishing. But the Wisconsin Institute for Law 369 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: and Liberty sued the DNAR in June. They said the 370 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: regulation was overbroad, since any type of firearm might technically 371 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: be used for fishing. They also said it violated the 372 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: Second Amendment rights Wisconsin residents who wanted to carry a 373 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: firearm for personal protection, and it ran a foul of 374 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: state laws that allow open and concealed carry of firearms. 375 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: What's more, of the state already has a law that 376 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: prohibits fishing by any means other than hook and line, 377 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: except as specifically authorized. All of these arguments were enough 378 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: to convince the DNAR to reverse course. They've agreed to 379 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: remove the rule from the books, though they say they 380 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: haven't been enforcing it since the state changed their firearm 381 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: carry laws in twenty eleven. Thanks to listener Andrew Whitman 382 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: for sending us that story. Moving on to the shroom desk, 383 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Poison Control Center has seen a spike in 384 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: mushroom poisonings. According to a new report from WCCO News, 385 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: the state has enjoyed a warm, rainy summer, which means 386 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: my celium fruiting bodies are popping up all over the land. 387 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: To ten thousand lakes. Unfortunately, that also means a lot 388 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: more folks are accidentally eating poisonous mushrooms. Since April, the 389 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: Minnesota Regional Poison Center says it has received ninety calls 390 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: for potential exposures. Last year, during that same time period, 391 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: they received twenty six calls. Some of the calls are 392 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: because kids find mushrooms, and kids, much like puppies, explore 393 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: the world by putting things in their mouths. But other 394 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: cases are due to would be foragers looking for an 395 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: instagram will addition to their salad if they don't double 396 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: check that that mushroom is safe using a credible resource 397 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: or a knowledgeable friend. For instance, I text Genner Rozelle 398 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: that Gal's a forager knows everything, and every time she's like, mah, 399 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: better be careful. But you know, that's how the world works. 400 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: It's easy to assume that a yard is safe to eat. 401 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: Many edible mushrooms also have poisonous lookalikes that make things 402 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: even more complicated. If you're not already an experienced forager, 403 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: and I know some of you are, double check your 404 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: mushroom identification with at least two sources. It's also a 405 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: good idea if you have kids and dogs, to pick 406 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: those yards rooms and check them in the trash or 407 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: a compost pile. And if you're ever in doubt about 408 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: whether a mushroom is safe to eat, don't test your luck. 409 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: Your friends will be significantly less impressed by your forging 410 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: abilities if you end up in the hospital. Moving on 411 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: to the elk desk, a group of Montana landowners who 412 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: want to kill tens of thousands of elk suffered to 413 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: set back in court last week when a judge ruled 414 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: that state wildlife managers were meeting their legal obligation to 415 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: manage elk populations. We covered this case all the way 416 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: back in episode one sixty one. A group called the 417 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: United Property Owners of Montana known as you Palm, argue 418 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: in court that the Montana Fish and Wildlife Commission and 419 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: the monte and A Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks 420 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: were legally obligated to reduce elk herds to population objectives. 421 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: They wanted these elk herds cold because they claimed that 422 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: the elk were damaging property. They asked the court to 423 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: force the Montana FWP to remove a wopping fifty thousand 424 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: elk from the landscape, which is over thirty percent of 425 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: the state's total population. Fergus County District Court Judge Gregory 426 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: Todd has been considering this case since it was brought 427 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, and he finally issued his ruling 428 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: It's not good for you PALM. Basically, he says the 429 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: state agencies are meeting their statutory obligations because they hold 430 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: annual hunting seasons with meticulous quotas and have a liberalized 431 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: ant list harvest with the goal of reducing populations. Todd 432 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: points out that the reason hunters haven't been able to 433 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: reduce elk numbers is because they can't access private land. 434 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: That in part is the fault of landowners. Montana operates 435 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: a program that gives landowners wildlife deterrence support and supplemental 436 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: hunting permits in exchange for allowing the public to access 437 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: their land. But UPALM members don't want the public accessing 438 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: their land. They want to be able to cull the 439 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: elk herds themselves while keeping the public off of their properties. 440 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: They claimed in the suit that they're being forced to 441 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: give the public access if they want their elk numbers reduced, 442 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: but Judge Todd observed that landowners aren't forced to offer 443 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: the public access. They don't have to participate in the 444 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: public access program. They're free to use other non lethal 445 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: methods of keeping elk off of their properties. He said 446 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: they could use lethal methods outside of hunting season if 447 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: they exhaust non lethal methods, but he ruled that they 448 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: haven't met that bar yet. Here's the big money quote. 449 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: While the state cannot force landowners to endure public access 450 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: on private land, it is also true that you Palm 451 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: cannot claim that public involvement in game management deprives it 452 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: of a vested property right because You Palm's members never 453 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: owned a property right that allowed them an absolute freedom 454 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: to kill. Nothing has been taken from them by the 455 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: statutes and regulations at issue. In other words, landowners don't 456 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: own the elk on their properties. It's owned by the public, 457 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: and so the public should have a say and how 458 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: that resource is managed. This is a positive development for 459 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: Montana's elk hunters, but this case isn't over. There are 460 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: still a few remaining issues that will be resolved at 461 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: a bench trial in October, and You Palm can, of 462 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: course appeal any decision to a higher court. That's all 463 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: I got for you. This week. Thank you so much 464 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: for listening. Remember to write in to Ask c. 465 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 2: A L. 466 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: That's Askcal at the meateater dot com and let me 467 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: know what's going on in your neck of the woods. 468 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: You know we appreciate you. Thanks a bunch. We'll talk 469 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: to you next week.