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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she

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Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by Marketing and

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Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me

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Speaker 1: advice on many occasions. And in case you didn't notice,

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Speaker 1: I'm not broke. You know, he'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs,

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Speaker 1: hear from my man, Rashan McDonald money Making Conversations. Here

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Speaker 1: we go. Welcome to Money Making Conversations master class. This

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Speaker 1: is Rushan McDonald. Thank you for that great intro. As users,

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Speaker 1: every week, we're here to talk about, you know, give

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Speaker 1: you information, information about what makes life better for you

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Speaker 1: as we sit around and as we get older, because

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Speaker 1: are you doing with your life today? And I sometimes

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Speaker 1: I look at a recent friend of mine who passed away,

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Speaker 1: Should I should just stop what I'm doing, just start

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Speaker 1: the country. Death does that to you. It causes you

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Speaker 1: to pause. It causes you to think about where you're

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Speaker 1: I've been pivoted all week. I've been just like question

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Speaker 1: to myself, not denying the success I've had in my life,

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Speaker 1: but it's like, do you stop? Do you pump the brakes?

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Speaker 1: Especially You're always see made the age is not an excuse. Well,

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Speaker 1: about am I living the life at this point? Did

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Speaker 1: I want to continue because I'm controlling the wheel, I'm

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Speaker 1: What time does the dream or the dreams that you

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this over the next several weeks

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Speaker 1: because I'm bringing different guests to just contemplate or what

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Speaker 1: time for yourself. That's what the conversation all By learning

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Speaker 1: how to take vacation, not to be afraid to walk

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Speaker 1: the company of the people you love, that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about. I'm not talking about giving it up. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about finding personal time for yourself. A lot of

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Speaker 1: us don't understand that. A lot of us need us

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Speaker 1: it can become and play a significant role. If you

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Speaker 1: don't know who I am, I'm your host, ra Sean McDonald,

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Speaker 1: and I want to hear from you today like I

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you every time you hear the show,

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Speaker 1: because I recognize that we all have different definitions of success.

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Speaker 1: For you, it may be the sides of your paycheck

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Speaker 1: mind has inspire you to accomplish your goals and live

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Speaker 1: your very best life. It's time to stop reading other

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Speaker 1: people's success stories and start writing your own. People always

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Speaker 1: talk about their purpose or gifts. If you have a gift,

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Speaker 1: leave with your gifts and don't let your friends, family,

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Speaker 1: We were discussing how to overcome the odds in life.

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Speaker 1: That's a phrase you hear every week because we always

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Speaker 1: What side do you want to be on? The winning

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Speaker 1: today represent people who did not let fear of change

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Speaker 1: a difference in the pastry industry and entertainment law profession.

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Speaker 1: Our theme today is that there's no perfect time to

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Speaker 1: chef Padoir Player, also known as Sugar Chef. He is

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Speaker 1: Food Fights High Stakes Cake Baking, a cake battle in

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Speaker 1: to your breeches. Please, welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass, Masterclass,

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Speaker 1: the one and only Sugar Chef. How are you doing,

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Speaker 1: my friend suffer the sign? How are you well? Good? Well?

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Speaker 1: You did you put the word chef in front of me?

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Speaker 1: Of course I did. I'll tell you something. Video of

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Speaker 1: Sugar Chef, Now this is highly respecting you know, like

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny cheffer Shaw, when you gave me

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Speaker 1: Sugar shelfs um. I don't know if something any different

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Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes everyone has their own gift or you know,

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Speaker 1: things that that they're really super talented that or passionate about.

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Speaker 1: Mine just happens to pay you. Some people greater music,

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Speaker 1: did you realize you like, you know, you're good in

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Speaker 1: very gifted because guess what, they're not just putting people

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Speaker 1: honor being named champion. When did you start when you do?

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Speaker 1: mentor them or they want to sit down and consult

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Speaker 1: them and try to you know, because everybody has different talents,

427
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Speaker 1: so it's always as a massive request you know, can

428
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Speaker 1: you guide me? Because you know, you can have a singer,

429
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Speaker 1: you can have somebody dance, somebody who can act, somebody

430
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Speaker 1: may be just a brilliant motivator. And so it always

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Speaker 1: it consumes a lot of information, a lot of my

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Speaker 1: attention when people ask that, because I know that the

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Speaker 1: grand scheme of things now as a consultant for restaurants,

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Speaker 1: staffs and recipe execution, how does that work? And how

435
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Speaker 1: does one approach you and how does one getting tight

436
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Speaker 1: with you about that situation? Well, you can you can

437
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Speaker 1: contact with me several different ways, the first with sugar

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Speaker 1: chef dot com, suga bagf dot com, and email Podlar

439
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Speaker 1: at sugar chef dot com. But the reason why I

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Speaker 1: got into it because again it was about a natural

441
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Speaker 1: transition something that was naturally good at growing up in

442
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Speaker 1: this business. You're always training your staff, You're always formulating recipes,

443
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Speaker 1: you're always doing the back end of it. And so

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Speaker 1: it's a natural transition for me for for entrepreneurs that

445
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Speaker 1: are opening up, Like currently, one of my clients is

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Speaker 1: the top Southern so food placed in the d NBA

447
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Speaker 1: area and I'm working with them on training that staff.

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Speaker 1: I'm working with them on creating and upgrading their dessert menu,

449
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Speaker 1: formulating recipes. I have some special events that I'll be

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Speaker 1: working with them on. So um, it's more cost effective

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Speaker 1: for a small business to hide someone like me. They

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Speaker 1: come in, they pay me a fee. I either will

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Speaker 1: train like maybe like I won't say less skilled person,

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Speaker 1: but I will train that staff on hand or that

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Speaker 1: so that they will be making the dessert. We're going

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Speaker 1: to train that staff. I will formulate the dessert menu

457
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Speaker 1: for them. So it's more cost effective for them to

458
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Speaker 1: do everything in house versus purchasing. Are you in greeting

459
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Speaker 1: purchasing products from other vendors? So um, it's always best

460
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Speaker 1: to hire experts for them to go on up and

461
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Speaker 1: and make your you know your experience, and this is

462
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Speaker 1: where do you do? You create a booklet for them

463
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Speaker 1: to follow, because like we joked around earlier, is that

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Speaker 1: you can't change the game and the rest when you're baking,

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Speaker 1: you know, because it just changes something like if it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to use half and half, it should be half

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Speaker 1: and half. If you're supposed to use you know, this

468
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Speaker 1: type of milk or this type of sugar or this

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Speaker 1: type of extract, this is what it should be or

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Speaker 1: it doesn't change. What is the number one problem you

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Speaker 1: get or you run into when you're training people based

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Speaker 1: on your recipes that you're presenting. That's all. You have

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Speaker 1: to have a baker standpoint, your favorite person and you're

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Speaker 1: trying to get an to baking. You have to think.

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Speaker 1: You have to change your thoughts bob pattern. You have

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Speaker 1: to think that the baker's mind. You know, you can

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Speaker 1: dedu from a a ridal recipe until you get to

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Speaker 1: know that person or that you get to know that

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Speaker 1: recipe my recipe. Say, for instance, if you're hiring me

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Speaker 1: to do consultant from your restaurant, I want to train

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Speaker 1: your staff, and I want to build your recipe file.

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Speaker 1: Is I'm gonna build your recipe file from scratch. If

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Speaker 1: you want to say you want to shoot the chefs,

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Speaker 1: I want to apple pie. I want to show your

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Speaker 1: staff how to make create a beautiful flaky piecrust, to

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Speaker 1: make the feeling to a similar pie, to bake de pie,

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Speaker 1: what temperature is supposed to beg or you know how

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Speaker 1: to brush your eggwash, show on the sofa, and I

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Speaker 1: want to do everything from beginning to end, and I

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Speaker 1: want to train your staff. But this is the recipe.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is, and you need to follow

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Speaker 1: it to the t. Now they come in and they say, okay,

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Speaker 1: well we didn't have this, where can I use them?

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Speaker 1: Instead of that, I'm want to tell them, Okay, if

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Speaker 1: you substitute a recipe, a substitute the ingredient, you will

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Speaker 1: get different results. So I think the best that you

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Speaker 1: stick with the recipe until you really get to know it,

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Speaker 1: and then if you have to deviate from the original recipe,

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Speaker 1: just realize and also know that you will get different

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Speaker 1: results in the end. So don't change anything until you

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Speaker 1: get that okay from me, or until you really get

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Speaker 1: to know that recipe. It's really important to say that because,

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Speaker 1: like I said, answer because like I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: there are certain things you can change up, you know,

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Speaker 1: but you you really have to stick to the plane.

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Speaker 1: If you stick to it. If you try to den

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Speaker 1: at the plane without understanding what you're making or baking,

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Speaker 1: then gets what you have a walking, talking disaster. It's

509
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Speaker 1: gonna bring you different different results. It's like anything else.

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Speaker 1: If you're for scientists gives you a formula to follow,

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Speaker 1: you need to follow that formula until you get to

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Speaker 1: know it, until you understand what every little ingredient, what

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Speaker 1: it does to the recipe itself. You have to understand

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Speaker 1: what the ingredients do and if you change it, it's

515
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Speaker 1: gonna get you different results. As we chuger share. If

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Speaker 1: we close out, there's an interview. One of the questions

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Speaker 1: that you submitted was transitioning your love affair into a

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Speaker 1: money maker? And I wanted you to just talk to

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Speaker 1: my audience about that's what you're doing. That's what you're

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Speaker 1: doing every day, and when you wake up it's like,

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Speaker 1: this is what you love to do, and now you

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Speaker 1: be able to create a way of living off of

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Speaker 1: your love affair. It was not easy to do, but

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Speaker 1: it was how many people kind of like told you

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't happen or felt that this was something that

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Speaker 1: you you know, this is not a career for you.

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Speaker 1: How many naysayers did you have to brush off your shoulder,

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Speaker 1: brush off your back to be where you are today? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I try not to follow on those

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Speaker 1: follow or think about those naysays, because those naysays kind

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Speaker 1: of feel my passion to go harder and to push

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Speaker 1: myself further. The most important thing, I call it shake

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Speaker 1: your money maker and reason why I call it that.

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Speaker 1: It's like I really want you to think about, you know,

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Speaker 1: use what you've got to get what you want. If

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Speaker 1: you're really great at technology, then think about a way

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Speaker 1: that maybe you can build websites. If you're really great

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Speaker 1: at designing, think about how you could transition that into

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Speaker 1: maybe help or someone design that first department, or doing

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Speaker 1: it in a post effective way. Or you take a

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Speaker 1: person's shopping and say, okay, I want to take the

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Speaker 1: fifth thing and we have a one hundred dollar budget.

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Speaker 1: This is what you can do. But I think you

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Speaker 1: can do the same thing with your natural and talent

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Speaker 1: with your moneymaker. Your money maker should be something that

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Speaker 1: you're naturally great at, that you're passionate about that, and

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Speaker 1: most importantly, what comes easy for you, and what comes

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Speaker 1: easy for me of course is baking. So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do some consulting. I'm want to do some recipe development,

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Speaker 1: I want to do some training, I want to teach classes.

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Speaker 1: So I think whatever your moneymaker is, I think it

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Speaker 1: has a lot of different arms and a lot of

553
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Speaker 1: different directions that it could blossom into and go onto

554
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Speaker 1: that will generate money for you and wealth for your family.

555
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Speaker 1: It's really interesting about your life because you give back

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who would be busy tend to

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Speaker 1: not give physically. They might make donations, or they might

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Speaker 1: do audio or video or promos. But you are trained

559
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Speaker 1: unemployed adults for cooling their skills, serving healthy school meals

560
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Speaker 1: while rebuilding urban food system through social enterprise. Why is

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Speaker 1: that important to you? Well, giving back as I always important,

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Speaker 1: as my mother would always as my aunt Hannah said,

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Speaker 1: she said, you never look down on someone if you're

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Speaker 1: not ready to pick them up, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: think that it were so many people that reached out

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Speaker 1: to me. I mean I was a little a little

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Speaker 1: brown kid coming from a housing development in Northeast DC,

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Speaker 1: and I had so many people that didn't look like

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Speaker 1: me to invest in. And it's just when always one

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Speaker 1: of my mantras and one of my purposes in life,

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Speaker 1: it's the poor into other people, impoor in to people

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Speaker 1: who may not have otherwise had the opportunity or have

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Speaker 1: someone to do that for them. So it's always been,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of my purposes. It's important to folks,

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Speaker 1: and I really enjoy it. I mean, it's nothing like

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Speaker 1: training someone to teaching someone how to make their favorite

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Speaker 1: dessert or it's challenging them if they want to go

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Speaker 1: into the corner, so teaching them how to make you know,

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Speaker 1: how to make a dessert, maybe from one of their

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Speaker 1: favorite restaurants, something on the menu. So um, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's just heart woman for me to

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Speaker 1: get back. So that's why I get back. Awesome. I

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Speaker 1: want thank you for coming to sugar Chef. I want

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Speaker 1: to thank you for taking the time and first of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you for calling me a chef. That is I appreciate.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate anytime you want to promote something is coming

587
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Speaker 1: up on your show, in your career opportunities. Please please

588
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Speaker 1: don't hesitate to contact me because I am a fan

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Speaker 1: and uh, I really appreciate this interview because you share

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Speaker 1: with us the other side, the other side of the table.

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Speaker 1: It's like the wait chef for soon. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to your next desk because I think he has might effect.

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Speaker 1: I gotta listening back. But don't go nowhere, because that's

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Speaker 1: all right. He's Hollywood. He represents Hollywood's black excellence. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thank you come back soon. Okay, sugarschef dot com.

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Speaker 1: If you want to see his work if you want

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Speaker 1: to understand why he has allowed himself to take his

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Speaker 1: gifts and turning into a money making the opportunity. We're

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Speaker 1: right back with Attorney Ricky Anderson. He moved from HBCU

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Speaker 1: to another age, Hollywood, and he's winning in both areas.

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Speaker 1: He is a man who develops and works with a

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Speaker 1: lot of the black excellence in Hollywood. Be right back

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Speaker 1: with Attorney Ricky Anderson. You are now tuned into the

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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration with Rashaan McDonald Hi

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Speaker 1: and Roshan McDonald for Money Making Conversation Masterclass with your

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Speaker 1: daily Minute of Inspiration. This week I sat down with

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Speaker 1: counseling psychologists and sports mental health expert doctor T. M. Moselyn.

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Speaker 1: She talks about the importance of changing the conversation around

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Speaker 1: mental health and getting rid of surrounding stigmas. Many of

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Speaker 1: the aspects of mental health have been heavily sigmatized and

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Speaker 1: for us, we want to change the game and change

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Speaker 1: this conversation. We don't get to peak performance if we

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Speaker 1: don't take care of ourselves or if we're going to

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Speaker 1: do things to make sure our body are well. We

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Speaker 1: have to do the same things for our minds. So

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Speaker 1: there's a common misconception that when I say mental health,

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Speaker 1: it's complated with mental illness or mental disorder, and that's

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Speaker 1: not the case. Everybody has mental health, but they have

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Speaker 1: physical health, and we've got to do things to make

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Speaker 1: sure that we check in. If you want to listen

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Speaker 1: to this full interview with doctor TM Moosley, it's available

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Speaker 1: on Moneymaking Conversation dot com. Or want to think the

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Speaker 1: incredible sugar Chef for coming on the show, just just

624
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Speaker 1: to sharing us his side of the table where he is.

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Speaker 1: First of all, he called me a chef, So I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget that moment being called officially by an executive

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Speaker 1: pastry chef or actual chef. So that's a companient that's

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Speaker 1: going to go along way in my life. But my

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Speaker 1: next calf I had to really really dig deep to

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Speaker 1: get him on the show. It doesn't do many interviews,

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Speaker 1: probably because he's really really business attorney Ricky Anderson. He's

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Speaker 1: a proud graduate of his of HBCU where he started

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Speaker 1: his professional career doing a regular nine to five just

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Speaker 1: like I was doing at IBM. He was in another

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Speaker 1: company that he has shared with us. When this interviews

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Speaker 1: arts because everybody told him he was being successful. Great,

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Speaker 1: keep going down that track, but that was not what

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Speaker 1: he wanted to do a long term. When he left

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Speaker 1: to be successful, he stayed in Houston, Texas. He didn't

640
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Speaker 1: have to go to Hollywood. He didn't have to go

641
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: to New York City to be successful. While becoming one

642
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: of the top entertainment entertainment attorneys in Hollywood large roster declines,

643
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Speaker 1: including anybody from Steve Harvey, Dicassie Davis, Washington, Monique, Rickie Smiley,

644
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: and Linda Adams and many many Moore Annie has taken

645
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Speaker 1: time to become an adjunct professor at the Thirdgood Marshall

646
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Speaker 1: School of Law since nineteen ninety eight at Texas Southern University.

647
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: His lecture topics include entertainment law, music industry contracts, and

648
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Speaker 1: trial preparation. In twenty fourteen, he was inducted into the

649
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Speaker 1: Black Entertainment and Sports Law Association Entertainment Attorneys Hall of Fame.

650
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Speaker 1: Please work with the Money Making Conversation Master Class Attorney

651
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Speaker 1: Ricky Anderson McDonald, how are you pretty good? You know

652
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: at the very top rick of my show they always

653
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: put disclaimers. They say, you know, he might represent this

654
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: person he might have, he might know this person. Let

655
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: everybody know, I do know Ricky Anderson. We you do.

656
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: And I say that very proudly because I learned a lot.

657
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: And the part of this business that's so so successful,

658
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 1: being successful is the ups and downs of it. Ricky,

659
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: and it's important to have that support group. Tell everybody

660
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: how important that support support group. Support group has enabled

661
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: you to sustain yourself in this business for so long. No,

662
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: thank you, Rachan. And that's a good question, and that's

663
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: a very important element. And it's really success comes with teams.

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Speaker 1: They just it really does. I mean many times you'll

665
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: kind of, um, you know, I guess polarized one of

666
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: the parties. And that's what you know, our business model is.

667
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: You know, you've got the celebrities, you've got the athletes,

668
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: and they're more polarized than the group that's around them.

669
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Speaker 1: But when you look at at that long term success,

670
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: it's because they've got a great team around them, be

671
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: an agency, be it management, be a friends, and particularly lawyers,

672
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: because you know, we've got to adopt the eyes across

673
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: the teams from a legal perspective, and that's really what

674
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: our industry is based upon. It's an agreement and the

675
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: best agreement of the written agreement, and so it's very

676
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: important that you have someone that understands it, knows the

677
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: importance of it. And many times maybe your audience will think, well,

678
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: this is in the contract. Well it's just as important

679
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: what's not in a contract. And we've just always got

680
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: to be mindful of that. And that's one of the

681
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: reasons I proudly say I'm a double HBCU grad from

682
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: Prairie View A and M University and then my law

683
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: school jurist doctorate I earned at three good Marster School

684
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: of Law, where I've been lecturing for the last quarter

685
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: of a century. Now, when you talk about what you've

686
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: done as a professional, and you talking about what you're

687
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: doing in academia training people, what brings you the biggest

688
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: level of happiness? I really I find joy in votes.

689
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that you ask, because when I'm doing

690
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: speaking engagements, and I mean it doesn't matter if I'm

691
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: speaking to elementary school students that are going to junior

692
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Speaker 1: high or speaking at a commencement service at an HBCU,

693
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: I'll always let them know that my life is bifurcated,

694
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: you know, I'm an entertainment attorney by trade, but I'm

695
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: an adjunct professor as well, so i have two lives

696
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: and I'm obligated to vote. And that's one of the

697
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: reasons why I can say I've been lecturing there for

698
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: a quarter of a century, so you know, I've got

699
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: a huge commitment and that space as well. So both

700
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: are just as important to me because both make me

701
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: better at my job. Lecturing and getting the energy from

702
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: those young audience, those students and the auditorium every Monday,

703
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: keeps me sharp because they challenge me. But our industry

704
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: is ever changing, Rashaun McDonald, and we've got to be

705
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: aware of the nuances with this technology and the way

706
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: the content is deliberate and protecting rights that's really out

707
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: in the social media space and out in the digital

708
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: space and streaming and so forth. So that's the up

709
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: to date, if you will, Ricky, you said the word technology.

710
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: I received some software from a friend yesterday. It's an

711
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: AI software that could write scripts, that can write comedy routines.

712
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: In fact, she uh, she gave me the software how

713
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: to log in because it's free right now, and so

714
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: she said, she put my name in there. This Rushan

715
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: McDonald comedy style, and it wrote a comedy routine for

716
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: me like I have written it, And guess what I

717
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: would have done? Every joke that that computer wrote it

718
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: was just that good. That's the AI. So that people

719
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: out there, they won't need writers. They could just go

720
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: up to a computer and give I want to write

721
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: a story about uh slashers. I wanted to be a

722
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: black cast or a diverse cast. I want this type

723
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Speaker 1: of lead style tone as far as the dialogue, that's that's.

724
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Speaker 1: What do you say about that type of technology that

725
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of coming in and maybe even becoming a

726
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: dominant force in the writing industry, Well, I think it's

727
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: really it's that technological savvy is so valuable. As we

728
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: lean forward in technology and development and everything that we do,

729
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: Rashan will definitely improve. I mean, you've got automobiles that

730
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: are you know, driving themselves, that self operated, and it's

731
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: just so much further ahead than you and I could

732
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Speaker 1: have ever imagined when we started our careers. But what

733
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: I do is I talk with my students on Monday

734
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: evenings about the future and getting them ready for it.

735
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: Like you said, the artificial intelligence that AI is very

736
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Speaker 1: important looking at a lot of you know, the nils

737
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: and these different assets that now trickle down to college

738
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: students because that's a whole other revenue stream for them

739
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: as far as taking care of their families and building

740
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: their you know, their families and their futures quite frankly,

741
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: and then looking at the technology and the avatars and

742
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: everything else that happens. From the Hollywood standpoint, it's just

743
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: significantly powerful, significant powerful, right, And that's why I remember

744
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 1: several years ago, I remember where they did a movie

745
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: with characters who were just they were built. They were

746
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: built characters, they were animated characters, and the movie went nowhere.

747
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't even get out the box office.

748
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: It opened as a nickel, as they said, comically. But

749
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: now because of video games being so lifelike, and then

750
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: you see a movie like let's say Avatar Avatars, they

751
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: say upfront, that's a it is as animation, and so

752
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: we now have a game. Will you represent real actors

753
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: you're a real act or real writers or stand up

754
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: comedians and people who sing, and are you preparing them

755
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: for the next step or that's not your job responsibility. Well,

756
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: we're negotiating the deals in that space. And I think

757
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: they're management their agencies probably introducing them to it, because

758
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: the one thing about esports and gaming, you know, it's

759
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: probably probably been ten years for since the I want

760
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: to say, he was a twelve year old or thirteen

761
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: year old one three and a half million dollars and

762
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: in esports competition. And you know when we grew up,

763
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: your parents or certainly behind us, the parents would say, hey,

764
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Speaker 1: get off of that. You know that game in the

765
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: video game. And well when you're thirteen and your college

766
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: is paid for because you won a competition and it

767
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 1: was three and a half million dollars, your parents would

768
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: probably say you need to practice a little bit this evening.

769
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Speaker 1: So you know, it's real. It's going into the college

770
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: systems where it's a real sport. And so when you

771
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: say this technology is really moving us forward, that's exactly

772
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: where it's going. You know, you've got these celebrities that

773
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: actually their name, likeness and image as a R and

774
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: B you know, music artist or a television artist. Well

775
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: they could actually have an animated image that's just as

776
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: valuable depending on how it's played in esports or if

777
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: it's going to be an NFT and you generate revenues

778
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: that way. So all of this artificial intelligence and this technology,

779
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, sort of colliding together as a totally different

780
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: revelue stream. So there are opportunities for a person who's

781
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: who's an actor and actress or a singer or some

782
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: person to entertainment can be making money fit with their

783
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: physical image someplace else. That's exactly right, and that's happening

784
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: different than when what we used to do for sound.

785
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: Sorry didn't mean to interrupt you, but it's no different

786
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: than when you're looking at voiceovers. You know, you may

787
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: have an animated series or um, you know the voice

788
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: of you know, an A list celebrity, Well, their voice

789
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: is just as valuable in that animated series as if

790
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: they were on television. And so now with that being said,

791
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: how does the education process keep up with that? And

792
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm just asking you because I know you. You know

793
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: it is a deal, Rick, You know, you go to school,

794
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: you get your law degree, and guess what not a

795
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: whole world has become you know, social media dropped on you.

796
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: The Internet dropped on you. Now we have a you

797
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: know you have crypto and dropped on you. A block

798
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: chains and dropped on you. NFTs have dropped on you.

799
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: How do you keep up with that? Ricky? Well, that's

800
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: the question that I really answered before you ask it

801
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: when I said, I lecture these students every Monday, and

802
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: so I've got saddy young energy in the room for

803
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: three hours every Monday from five d eight at third

804
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: Good Marcial School of Laws. Wow, this technology at this

805
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: bridging its gap. I'm not off the grid. I'm there

806
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: with these young minds that are matriculating every Monday, and

807
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: they want to challenge men, tell me about what they know.

808
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: And I've got to read to keep up with it,

809
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: just to stay relevant in the technology largely, I won't

810
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: say one hundred percent for the most part, everything you

811
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: name from the block team technology through the esports, all

812
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: of those are great assets. And when you look at

813
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: our youth, you know they're more technologically savvy than probably

814
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, the generation ahead of us for sure, just

815
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: on the technology side. But it actually improved reading because

816
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: they needed to understand how to read from a literacy

817
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: perspective to play these games, to play the sports. So

818
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: there were some educational intellectual advances to this technology and

819
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: the laptops and the tablets, and I don't know that

820
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: there's many you know, kindergarteners, first grades and second graders

821
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: that don't have a tablet. Well, you know, it's funny

822
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: if you know, we were growing up Rick, you know

823
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: we you know, if we could just put the right

824
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: record on the player. You know, our parents like, well,

825
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: baby baby smart, baby smart, and then then it's out here.

826
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, if they could pick up the remote

827
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: turn the TV on correctly, you know, now they got

828
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: they got they got cell phones, they got iPads. The

829
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: technology is advancing the relationship between the child and the

830
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: future so much faster. It's that good or bad? What

831
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Well, I know it's good if you're

832
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: looking at you know, sort of honing your talents, because

833
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's got a skill set. It's good in

834
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: that regard. But balance is the critical element that's going

835
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: to be very important for you know, just having that normalcy.

836
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: You've got to make sure that they're intellectually is stute.

837
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you've just got to make sure it's all

838
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: intellectually stimulating um to the use, because if not, we'll

839
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: lose track of what's important. They will lose track of

840
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: what should be important to them, and we can't allow

841
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: them to stray from the center of the road. But

842
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: when you look at some of these recording artists and

843
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: they're twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old and they're getting twenty

844
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: thirty million streams download as far as Spotify, it's concerned.

845
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: That's pretty popular for a kid that maybe in the seventh,

846
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: eighth or ninth grade, right, but they're reading the music,

847
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: they're playing the instrument, and then their academia is on

848
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: par because they've been glued to a screen, and the

849
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: question really become you kind to make sure they've got

850
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: that social balance as well, and very important. I'm talking

851
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: to attorney Ricky Anderson. He is the author of the

852
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: following nun fiction entertainment law books containing legal information about

853
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. One Entertainment Law Cases, Documents and Material.

854
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: The other book is called Music Industry Contracts, Cases and Forms.

855
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Attorney Ricky Anderson. Is amazing looking at it.

856
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: The roster of people who is represented is only a

857
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: small from Steve Harvey, Cassie Davis, Isaiah Washington, Monique, comedian,

858
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: Ricky Smile, Incredible Gospel Grade, get a line of atoms.

859
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: He's just a few names on this roster. But in

860
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: the end, Ricky, when you look at what you're doing

861
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: with your career, it's really not about who you represent

862
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: as to how you represent them. Correct, That is correct.

863
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: You know. The one thing that I've always looked at

864
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: very sean was building success and UM. And that's the

865
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: thing about it, and success to them at a price

866
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: and um. And we never looked at it as far

867
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: as it being money or value and asset that we

868
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: were trying to um, you know, just just just make

869
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: money and win in that space. Now, we wanted perfection

870
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: and that'll give you the success. You know, everyone that

871
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: I worked with and like you said, the names you

872
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: give their hard workers, they're very committed to it. And

873
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: we all know what our obligations are. And that's the

874
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: thing that I've always looked at it. I've got to

875
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: look at it with a criticalize some I legal perspectives

876
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: and make sure that I again that's those highest cross

877
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: those ts and UM and check it twice and check

878
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: it three times and make sure we're in a safe environment.

879
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: Now you now you write two books, you an author,

880
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: you're officially an author. You know, people like that buying

881
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: you book these not Selation's book. Now these ain't don't

882
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: look over there for know, you know Hollywood stories. This

883
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: is about business, about going into entertainment law. What prompted

884
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: you to write not only the first book, but the

885
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: second book, this story, the first book entertainment Law. What's

886
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: what is the significance of that book? Well, I've been

887
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: lecturing entertainment law for twenty five years and I used

888
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: third party you know, literary property that I used others books.

889
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: And I said, well, look, I'm teaching and I've been researching,

890
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: and I said, I should, at least from my vantage point,

891
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: make these books attractive to my students. And I looked

892
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: solely initially at third Good Marshall School of Law, because

893
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: I selected the cases that are in those books. You know,

894
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: it's real litigation from you know, the major record labels,

895
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: the major television networks, and but there are cases that

896
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: affect people of color, you know, those that would be

897
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: enrolled in an HBCU that could appreciate it. So you know,

898
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: it's a publication. But you'll see stories from you know,

899
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: the Eisley Brothers or Bell Bib Devo and you know,

900
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: so I pulled Snoop Dogg. You know, those are the

901
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: kinds of cases that we would see or Luke Campbell

902
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: went to the Supreme Court when we're talking about you know,

903
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: copyright and having the right to use third party properties.

904
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: So I got the real cases and condenced them into

905
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: written form, and I actually teach from that book so

906
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: that you can review cases that look like you. I

907
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: go historically with some of the non traditional names in

908
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: the company and getting into copyright and knowing how it

909
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: came about. You know, when copyright came into the United

910
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: States of America in seventeen ninety. You know, it's only

911
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: had a few amendments in eighteen thirty one, nineteen o nine,

912
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: and nineteen seventy six, being the largest one withheld it

913
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: incorporated you know, recording materials, meaning tonal records. So it's

914
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: just knowing that and I need our community to know

915
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: the value of their copyright, their intellectual property, their trademarks,

916
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: making sure their brand is protected. And so that really

917
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: is what prompted me to write the books. First of all,

918
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: now that's your first book. Now, because you mentioned copyrighting,

919
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: let's let's talk Let's talk that back a minute. Because

920
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: you know social media, you can post stuff and then

921
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: but if you try to put it on your website,

922
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: or you try to put it on YouTube. YouTube flag

923
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: you saying as copyright infringement. If you put it on

924
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: your website, somebody see it, they can sue you. But

925
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: you can put it on social media. If I'm not mistaken.

926
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: It's a different set of rules. Is that correct. Well,

927
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: it's a different set of rules. And I'll say this

928
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: to some degree because when social media and really the

929
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: Internet got a highly popular the Constitution afforded us the

930
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and that provided social media company

931
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: with what they call a safe harbor, which means if

932
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: you upload the content, they're not sure if you're authorized

933
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: to do it or not, but if they're submitted a

934
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: takedown notice. Let's say someone submits a takedown notice on

935
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: your behalfs, they will immediately take the content down, you know,

936
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: because the actual trademark holder or copyright holders don't authorized

937
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: user of it. So even though it's social media, it

938
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: doesn't give you a free for all. It's just the

939
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: content gets there so quick. I was I was talking.

940
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: I spoke out at the Google Um Silicone Beach at

941
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: the Google office there as one of their guest speakers,

942
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: and they were sharing with us that they get six

943
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: hundred hours of content every hour uploaded. You can't keep

944
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: up with it, so it may come in quicker, but

945
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: they'll find a way to weed it out. And as

946
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: I said, when there's a notice submitted, there's many of

947
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: us as lawyers were actually, um, you know, officers, agents

948
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: that are able to get takedowns recognize because they know

949
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: that's a practice area that we work in. So yeah,

950
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: for shoon it, it's different. But to some degree, even

951
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: though it's on social media, you can still have it

952
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: taken down. That's not a free for all now. Now, Yeah,

953
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: this what confuses me, rack because you know I put

954
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: a song up on you know, on YouTube, they copyright infringement,

955
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: flagging me, flagging me y you know. Then I go

956
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: to TikTok and look like they just play every popular

957
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: song on every video and nobody nobody bothered over there.

958
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: And my miss see something rash that got rules over

959
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: there too. No, you're not misreading something. Something else happened

960
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 1: outside of just the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. You've also

961
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: got blanket license. Says that some of the social media platforms,

962
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: for particularly the larger ones, will subscribe to so that

963
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: they may have a right and I can't speak to them.

964
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm giving approaching it very cautiously legally,

965
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: because if someone owns the song, and this is certainly

966
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: what I teach, it's their intellectual property. If you copyright it,

967
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: it's yours. Now will the general public take it and

968
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: blend it into a song? Yes? Does that give them

969
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: the right to use it? It does not. And one

970
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: of my students asked me Rashon. She said, well, Professor Henderson,

971
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: if you just put that this song belongs to X

972
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: y Z, I say, that means nothing. They still own it.

973
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: They have a right to take it down. That does

974
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: not give you a free for all to kind of

975
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: take advantage of the music. So the rights holders are

976
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: the rights holders regardless. But you do have so many

977
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: you know, social media users that don't take the music

978
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: and they'll put it in the background of their dance,

979
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: you know. And as I said, when they're up loading

980
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: six hundred hours per hours, that's pretty that's pretty robust,

981
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: and it's pretty great, you know, that's a tough one

982
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: to grasp and get processed. So doesn't make it right?

983
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: Do they do it? Absolutely? And can it be taken down.

984
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: The answers. Absolutely, the rights holders own their intellectual property.

985
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: It does not mean because you're in social media that

986
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: you have a right to use it too. It's so

987
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: many people that are ability mass following on TikTok. You know,

988
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: I have I think almost sixty thousand followers on TikTok.

989
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: And then I read, you know where the Attorney General saying, hey,

990
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: I would advise you to be on TikTok. I read

991
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: where their various government officers are saying you can't use

992
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: TikTok on any of the office equipment of office related

993
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: to mobile units that you're being given. What are we missing?

994
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: Am I missing something? Well? Because it's a national security concern.

995
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: And when you've got your personal information that's being utilized

996
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: in places that you're not even sure of, you know,

997
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: you're thinking it's only TikTok, but it does not limit

998
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: who has access to that, depending on who the partners

999
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: are with that cooperation or any other social media I

1000
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: won't single out TikTok, but your information, as you posted,

1001
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, it becomes public and I mean and once

1002
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: it's in a social media space, it's there forever. And

1003
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: so you just want to be mindful of that. And

1004
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: I think now we're a lot more cautious about national

1005
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: security just because of the state of affairs worldwide. I mean,

1006
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, we're back where we've got resurround everything from

1007
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: wards to you know, spy balloom circulating around the country.

1008
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: So I won't get into the politics of it. That

1009
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,959
Speaker 1: represented you that there is a concern from a national

1010
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: security perspective, because that's vitally vital data is being placed

1011
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: in TikTok and Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and every

1012
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: place else, and that information is crucial. And also you're

1013
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: just not sure who's utilizing that information and for what purposes. Well,

1014
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: you know the thing about it. First of all, thank

1015
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: you for taking me to class today, Attorney in I

1016
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: feel that I've gained some degree of knowledge and growth

1017
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: and this interview here. But the most important thing is

1018
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: that when you're recognized by your peers inducting into the

1019
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: Black Entertainment Sports Law Associate Entertainment Attorney's Hall of Fame,

1020
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: what did that do to you? Richard? It was amazing

1021
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: just to see that your colleagues number one respects your

1022
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: body of work and they know what you do, and

1023
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: you don't work to get any sort of an accolade

1024
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: to work because you want to be good. And that's

1025
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: the one thing I learned early on and coming to

1026
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: Texas and going to an HBCU and wanting to go

1027
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: to an HBCU is and my father always told me,

1028
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: you can work hard, but if you're not good, you're

1029
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: just a hard worker. But if you work hard and

1030
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: you're good, then you can make that good great. And

1031
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: that's what I've always tried to do. And the colleagues

1032
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: in the industry have recognized that I will go that

1033
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: extra mile. I'll get up early, I'll stay late. And

1034
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm also a friendly competitor. You know, I'm here to

1035
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: make sure that we all win and um and it

1036
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: just like I said, in one of those moments where

1037
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: you will say, okay, you know that means so much

1038
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: to you that it becomes priceless. But it lets you

1039
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: know that you're doing it right. And your colleagues recognize that.

1040
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: And when you look at the bees LA Hall of Fame,

1041
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: and for most of the lawyers in this country that

1042
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: practice entertainment law in the Hall of Fame, I'm the

1043
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: only one from Texas. And you opened it up talking

1044
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: about me practicing entertainment law, you know, from the state

1045
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: of Texas. And it's a rarity and um and Rashaun.

1046
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: If you know, when you encounter that challenge, you know

1047
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: you'll hear many, many stories things that you got to

1048
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: move to LA or New York at Loant Chicago and

1049
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: I said, why move when I can fly? Also, get

1050
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: your job done and I'll go back. Hold. It has

1051
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: always been so rewarding to be able to maintain my

1052
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, my residence in my office, my law practice

1053
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: here in the city of Houston, but to be able

1054
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: to practice on each of the coach be them north, Southeast,

1055
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: and West. And we're wrapping up real quick, Rick, Can

1056
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: you tell us how we can get in touch with you? Yeah, yeah,

1057
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: Please go free to look at attorney Ricky Anderson dot com.

1058
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: It's got all of my contact information there and I welcome,

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