1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know? 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: From House Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff you should know the podcast 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: the rip off of stuff they don't want you to 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: know in this particular episode. It's right, but that's not 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: the case at all. I was just singing Barry Mantel 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: to Josh right before we recorded. Yeah, what song is it? 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: He had a song called the Bermuda Triangle, and I 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: think I remember the gist of it was that the 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle not only makes ships and planes disappeared, but 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: people from your love life we'll disappear as well through 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle. I don't know, I don't remember, but 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: I was, as I told you, I was big into 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: very Man. I was a kid up for some reason. 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: When I was eight, I just thought he was the 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: bee's knees. He's very cool. Yeah, he asked me, you 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: me has every single one of his records at homes 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: lost to go home and route that song out. I 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: still have get to the bottom of stub mind in 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: the attic, do you? Oh yeah, it's sweet. Do you 23 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: have a nice record collection hitting up in the attic? Um, 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: I've got about two crates, not not a ton, but 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: i'll bet their choice. Yeah, they're pretty good. Okay, Well 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: there you have at the Bermuda Triangle. Thank you everybody. 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: The records range from Barry Manilow to like Molly Hatchett. 28 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: So that tells you what happened between ages nine and 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: fifteen for me, Um, chuck, Josh, you want to get 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: to this. Yeah, yeah, I mean you were a kid. 31 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: You just admitted to being a kid once. I was once. Um, 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: so of course the Remuda tryan al must have struck 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: your fancy at some point. Well, in the seventies it 34 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: was a big deal. Like I remember it being a 35 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: big deal in the seventies and I was kind of thinking, 36 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, you never hear about it anymore. But I 37 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: think it was due to the book. Charles Berlitzs book 38 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: came out in nineteen What was it called the Bermuda Triangle. Oh, oh, 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: it's the Bermuda Triangle. Um, oh no, that's a different one. 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: No, No No, his was just a Bermuda Triangle. But his 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: sold twenty million copies. And like, I remember this being 42 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: a big deal at the time. It was like on 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: the Mike Douglas Show. And yeah, so I think that's 44 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: why it was so big in the seventies. People were 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: dumber back then. Plus Berry Manlow that was in the seventies. 46 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: It was I'll bet it he wrote that song after 47 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: the book. Um, well, if you wanted to talk about this, 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: my intro wasn't that good anyway, So you want to 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: just get into the Bermuda Triangle. The intro disappeared like 50 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: so many ships at sea. That was very good, Charles W. 51 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, thank you. Um. So we think of the 52 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle. Is this old, possibly ancient, possibly lost mystery. 53 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: Um that is that forms a triangle. It's a geographical, 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: made up, fictitious geographical area bounded were or with its 55 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: points between San Juan, Puerto Rico. Um, Bermuda greatly enough 56 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: and Miami. Um it's real, but it's just not like 57 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: it's not recognized by any official geographic bodies. Right. But 58 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: if you look at a map, you could also make 59 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: Bermuda quadrahedron with like eight other places too, So yeah, 60 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: it's as real as the Bermuda quadrahedron. Um. It's not 61 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: real if you are a member of the U S 62 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: Board of Geographic Names, because they don't recognize it formally. 63 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: Most people don't, um, not officially at least. Um. But 64 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: I was saying that, you know, it seems like it's 65 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: been around a long time. It wasn't until nineteen four 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: that it got its name. Did you know that? I 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: did because we actually researched this a long time ago 68 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: and didn't do it for some reason. So I knew 69 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: it from then, but only from then. Um. And there 70 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: there's I mean, if you are into this kind of thing, 71 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: you are well aware that there have been hundreds and 72 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: hundreds of ships that have gone miss seeing over say 73 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: the past century. Um, planes, ships, cars, somehow people just 74 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: gone depends on who you asked, right, well, it depends 75 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: on you know how, like I say, if you're into 76 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: it or not. And basically the key to the Bermuda 77 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: triangle is statistics. How you take statistics, how you either 78 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: manipulate them yourselves or or how you accept statistics at 79 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: face value, is probably a pretty good indicator about how 80 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: you feel about the Bermuda Triangle. Um, there's been all 81 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: sorts of explanations from uh, basically natural phenomenon, to the 82 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: idea that Atlantis is down there somewhere, which we'll get into, 83 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: to the idea that it's really no different than anywhere 84 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: else and it's just a bunch of uh sensationalism. Yes, 85 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: but no matter how you look at the Bermuda Triangle, 86 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: it encompasses about five square miles. It's huge and extremely 87 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: well traveled. It's not off the beaten path at all. 88 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: You a lot of people want to go to Bermuda. 89 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: The Bahamas is in there, I mean, come on. Yeah. Plus, 90 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: it's just it's just a heavily traveled route in area. 91 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: Right as far as shipping goes, I imagine two right. So, Um, 92 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: Supposedly there's been as many as a hundred ships and 93 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: a thousand lives lost in the Bermuda Triangle in the 94 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: last century. Right. Some say part of the problem is 95 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: the Coast Guards supposedly says that it doesn't that there's 96 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: not an unusual amount of incidents there that Okay, a 97 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: thousand people have died and a hundred ships have been 98 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: lost in last hundred years. Yeah, that's nothing. Um. Other 99 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: people say, no, that's not the case. Lloyd's of London, which, 100 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: by the way, Chuck, if you listen to the Coffee podcast, 101 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: the tie that binds coffee to Bermuda Triangle is to London. 102 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: It's right, uh. In nive the editor of Fate magazine, 103 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: Mary Margaret Fuller, Um, she contacted Lloyd's of London and said, hey, um, 104 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: can you give me a list of payoffs for the 105 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle? And lloyd said sure we can. Of course, 106 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: we do this thing all the time. And um, four 107 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty eight vessels were reported missing throughout the 108 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: world between nine and the Bermuda Triangle didn't have any 109 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: significantly higher incidents than any other area, supposedly, which is 110 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: why the insurance premiums the Bermuda Triangle are no different 111 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: than anywhere else as well. Yes, you should point out, uh, 112 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: if you ask a guy, I love this guy's name 113 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: name g n this' with a G, I, A N J. 114 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: Let's just come on and say it, Gan Quasar, Gene 115 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: and J Quasar. Is that is that supposed to be? 116 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 1: That's what I'm calling right, Have you been his page? No? 117 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: Actually that's not true. He um. He he's the administrator 118 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: of Bermuda hyphen Triangle dot org and I believe I 119 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: have been to that page before. And he's the author 120 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: of Into the Bermuda Triangle Cohen Pursuing the Truth behind 121 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: the World's Greatest Mystery. Yes, I went to his site 122 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: because I felt like I owed it to him to 123 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: check this out. And it is another one of those 124 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: sites that looks like my Space page from like two 125 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: thousand two. And it doesn't draw you in as far 126 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: as looking valid. I'm not saying it's not, but it 127 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: doesn't look super professional. There has there's like texts that's overlapping, 128 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: the images in some pages don't load like user A 129 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: good user experience adds tremendous veracity to one's fantastic claims. 130 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: It really does, Mr Quasar, We mean it. If you 131 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: update your user experience, people will listen more. I would 132 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: have honestly stayed on the site a lot longer. I've 133 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: been like, let me look at this, but as soon 134 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: as I saw it, I went come on. But despite 135 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: his lack of web design skill, yes, yeah, he has 136 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: like put a lot of time and effort and energy 137 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: into researching the Bermuda triangle, and he's one of the 138 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: ones that says, hey, Lloyd's of London, that's that's that's 139 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: why would you go to Lloyds of London. That's what 140 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: he says. Well, he says that Lloyds of London doesn't 141 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: even keep track of smaller craft, and a lot of 142 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: these smaller craft are missing, and they don't even insure yachts, 143 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: which is not true. I look that up. I thought 144 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: that was odd. I'm glad you looked. I don't know 145 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: if they're maybe he means yachts of a certain size, 146 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: but they definitely insure yachts. In fact, they were, ironically, 147 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, the originators of maritime insurance way 148 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: back when. I might be wrong, but I thought, I remember, 149 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong. Um, so well Mr Quasar 150 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 1: went to the coast Guard instead. Uh. The coast Guard 151 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: has um definitive records on missing vessels, but they call 152 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: them um delayed overdue vessels. Like a three hour tour 153 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: that hasn't come back. Yes, so it's overdue. It's supposed 154 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: to be there after three hours, a hundred and eighty 155 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: thousand hours ago, so it's a very long overdue so 156 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: Mr Quasar found that um that he he was. He 157 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: says that he was given data on overdue vessels UM 158 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: after asking for twelve years, and found that in the 159 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: previous two years, the Coast Guard had records of three 160 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: hundred missing or overdue vessels. Now does that mean that 161 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: they were still overdue or they were overdue by a 162 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: couple of hours and they were just at one point 163 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: listed his overdue There is an excellent question. I didn't 164 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: get that. That is a very good question. Well, I 165 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: hope this guy listens to the podcast. Maybe you can 166 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: tell us. I bet we could contact him through his 167 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: website too. I bet it's not that hard. He also 168 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: went to the National Transportation Safety Board and looked at 169 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: their database and said, hey, okay, let's just take a 170 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: random place. Then if the Bermuda Triangle is no different 171 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: than any other area, how about off the coast of 172 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: New England. Uh, And we'll say for the last ten years, 173 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: there's only been a few disappearances of vessels in the 174 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle over that same time period. I would ask 175 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: Mr Quasar, like, just give me more stats, like did 176 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: he compare the amount of travel? Was it all equalized? 177 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: Whether did he take everything into consideration, right? And I 178 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: mean maybe the the coast of New England has a 179 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: disproportionately low amount of missing vessels, whereas the Gulf of 180 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: Mexico or the Pacific Ocean has higher than the Bermuda Triangle. 181 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: Depends on what you're comparing it to him. Or did 182 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: they have a lot of boats sink that they found 183 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: because the water wasn't as deep or was easily accessible, 184 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: because he's talking about disappearances like where you never find wreckage, right, Um, 185 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: So I guess gen Quasar G and J. Quasar Um 186 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: is a torch bearer of a very long line of 187 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: people who have really sunk their teeth and time and 188 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: energy into this solving this mystery, or or possibly even 189 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: promoting something that isn't a mystery as a mystery because 190 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: they genuinely believe it, Um. And probably what's what kicked 191 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: the whole thing off um, at least in the public's imagination, 192 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: was the missing Squadron, the lost flight Flight nineteen which 193 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: Chuck actually disappeared UM in sixty six years ago. Last week, Yeah, 194 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: they had a little ceremony down at um Fort Lauderdale 195 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: Hollywood International Airport UM to honor the fourteen servicemen who 196 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: were lost on that flight flight nineteen. But that was 197 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: that made huge headlines. Yeah, I mean you want to 198 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: go and tell the story. Yeah, let's talk about flight 199 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: nineteen UM. And you know, I want to point out 200 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: that this is one of the leading stories. And in fact, 201 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: when you go back and look at all the research, 202 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: a lot of this is based on a handful of 203 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: stories that have been retold over and over and over 204 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: by all these different people. So it seems like there's 205 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: more than there are. No, it's just the whole, the whole. 206 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: A mystery of the Bermuda triangle is based on a 207 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: handful of disappearances that are noted, no, noteworth and not like. Okay, 208 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: so h u S Navy Avengers Flight nineteen uh five, 209 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: missing Navy pilot h Avengers. I guess is that the 210 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,239 Speaker 1: kind of plane? Yeah? There, Navy grum and TBF Avengers. 211 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: They were propeller planes, fighter fighter jets or fighter prop 212 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: planes from the end of the war. Okay, So they 213 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: set out on a routine patrol sunny day five highly 214 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: experienced student pilots, which is a little bit of a 215 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: contradiction in terms. Yeah, but I mean, these were Navy pilots, 216 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm sure if you put them side 217 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: by side to any other student pilots, they would do 218 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: they would dog fight them into into humiliation, into oblivion. Uh. 219 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Charles C. Taylor led the mission, and the mission 220 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: included a few course changes departed at one fifteen scheduled 221 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: course changes. Yeah. Basically Taylor knew what he was doing 222 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: and this was a routine flight. That's what some say. 223 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: There's also speculation that's Taylor wasn't super experienced. Well, actually 224 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: the other pilots weren't super experienced, and that he had 225 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: a consistent record of navigation troubles, including ditching airplanes twice 226 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: into the Pacific Ocean. Well that's just routine Navy hazing 227 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: back then. Uh, but we'll get into that. So Taylor 228 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: led the missions. Uh, they took off. We're flying over 229 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale, Florida, when they heard a signal um that 230 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: they thought was from a boat or a plane in distress. No, 231 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: that was Cox that heard that signal. But he was 232 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: part of the crew, right, was he. It was he 233 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: at the base. He was another guy who was flying 234 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: over a different to Florida. Okay, yeah, he was. He 235 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: kind of tried to help them. He got the distress 236 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: signal and he tried to figure out where they were 237 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: and was giving them, Um, okay, that makes more sense. 238 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: So Cox uh told Taylor fly with the sun at 239 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: your left wing and up the coast until you see Miami, 240 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: and you'll know my Miami when you see it. Taylor said, no, no, no, 241 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: we're over a small island and there's no other land anywhere. 242 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: If it was a Florida Keys, which he thought it was, 243 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: he would have seen a bunch of islands obviously, and 244 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: Florida sticking down there. And they only had a couple 245 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: of hours left of fuel. And then Taylor described a 246 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: large island that they assumed was Andros Island, which is 247 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: the largest island in the Bahamas. And so they sent 248 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: him back further instructions to get him to Fort Lauderdale. 249 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, But there's a big part that 250 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: you left out here, and this is important. Taylor reported 251 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: that everything looked wrong quote yeah, and that his compasses 252 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: were um going haywire. Well yea, and those are two 253 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: those are big, yeah, those are big. When he started 254 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: on this heading, his voice started coming through. Uh, clearer 255 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: and louder, which they took to mean all right, that 256 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: you're headed in the right direction, right, because the bass 257 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: he was talking to was in Fort lauder Down. Yeah, 258 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: so like you're getting closer, you're on the right path. 259 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: But Taylor said, no, no no, no, I don't think you're right. 260 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: I don't think we went far enough east, so we're 261 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: gonna turn around and go east again. Um. At that 262 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: point the voice got less clear and further away, indicating 263 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: that he was probably going in the wrong direction. And 264 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: then that was it. They never heard from him again 265 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: or anybody else. They never found any records as far 266 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: as I understand, they were just lost, all five Navy avengers. Um. 267 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: And there were two seaplanes that were sent out and 268 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: one of them exploded right after takeoff and the other 269 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: one never found any trace of flight nineteen Yeah, so um, 270 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: that's so. In nineteen fifty two, and author George sand 271 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: wrote an article for Fate magazine called c Mystery at 272 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: our back Door and first described a quote watery triangle 273 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: bounded roughly by Florida, Bermuda and Puerto Rico, And then 274 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: in nine uh ragosig sorry Argosy magazine finally gave the 275 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: Triangle its name in an article by Vincent Gaddis called 276 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: the Deadly Bermuda Triangle, which is a pulp magazine that 277 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: writes fiction. But somehow people missed that and took it 278 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: to be a real thing. Right. It even says the 279 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: magazine's tagline is a magazine of master fiction. And when 280 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: you look at it, like I looked it up, it's 281 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like a valid are not valid, But 282 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like a newsweek you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 283 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: I know it's UM. Part of the other uh, I 284 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: think thing that captured the public's imagination and that was 285 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: kind of lost on people was originally the Navy UM said. 286 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: They said that flight nine he was lost due to 287 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: pilot error, and uh, Lieutenant Taylor's family was like, no, 288 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: he was way too experience for that. There's no way 289 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: he would do this. There's something else. So the Navy 290 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: was pressured to change it, because this is back when 291 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: the Navy was like, all right, all right, we don't 292 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: want your feelings to be hurt. Uh, And they changed 293 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: it to um something caused unknown, yes, which sounds very mysterious. 294 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: Exactly so, and if the Navy is saying we lost 295 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: five fighter planes to cause is unknown in this area 296 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: that people are calling the Remuna Triangle. That's what really 297 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: gave the Remuna Triangle its initial boost into the capturing 298 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: the public imagination. Yeah, and like I said, I've looked 299 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: up more on Taylor, and apparently the truth is the 300 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: only other four or the other four pilots didn't have 301 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: significant experience. Taylor had a history of getting lost, and 302 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: by the time of his final transmission, they were low 303 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: on fuel, they weren't near land, bad weather came in, 304 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: and they probably crashed and landed on the bottom of 305 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: the ocean. Right. Not very mysterious, no, um. But the 306 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: fact that they were never heard from again, I mean 307 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: that does again capture the public's imagination. That does. That's 308 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: what happened. They're just gone. Things aren't supposed to go, 309 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: especially not airplanes. You're not supposed to not find a 310 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: trace of something. Um. There have been plenty of other 311 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: things that have gone missing, Like you said, a lot 312 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: of them are very famous. UM. One, the Mary Celeste, 313 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: is commonly listed on as a disappearance of the Bermuda Triangle. 314 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: Not so the Mary Celeste, which was a brig from 315 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: the late nineteenth century. I think the eighteen seventies um 316 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: set sail from New York to Spain and shouldn't have 317 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: come anywhere near the Bermuda Triangle when it was found 318 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: around the Strait of Gibraltar, floating adrift, with nary a 319 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: soul board being still on the grill, a pipe still smoking. 320 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: I think when they found it, no explanation whatsoever, just gone. 321 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: But it had nothing to do with the Bermuda trying. 322 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: I wonder how it got mixed up. People just claim 323 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: it that's the problem. It's like, Okay, if there is 324 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: something going on here, you're not You're not helping your 325 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: case in getting it across to incredulous skeptics right by saying, 326 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: plus the mary celasts and that's something exactly UM. But 327 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: there was there was one that is legitimately chalked up 328 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: to the Bermuda Triangle, the MILWAUKEE'SO Airlift wing plane six eight. 329 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: Let's hear about this. So in nineteen on a clear night, 330 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: UM a ship, I'm sorry, a UM flying box car, 331 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: the fair Child C one nineteen, huge, huge old plane. 332 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: It's like the Spruce goose. Huge. UM. It began it 333 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: lifted off from Milwaukee on its way to Grand Turk 334 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: in the Bahamas, which is that's that's like it. That's 335 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: a nice duty, I'm sure. Um. And it landed at 336 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: Homestead Air Force Base at five or four pm, hung 337 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: around for almost three hours, and then lifted off at 338 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: seven pm on its way to the Bahamas. And I 339 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: was never heard from again after about um halfway there. 340 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: I think I never heard from again. No one ever 341 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 1: found a trace of it. One of the things that 342 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: really um captures the imagination about this one is it 343 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: had a full crew of really experienced flight mechanics and 344 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 1: flight engineers who knew what they were doing. So if 345 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: there is anything that was wrong with this plane, there 346 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: are plenty of people on board to fix it. Right. 347 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: But nothing the planes has gone forever, no trace, no 348 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: one ever heard of it. Said they found a few 349 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: scraps of debris, yes, but they think that that could 350 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: have been scuttled. It didn't appear to have undergone any 351 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: damage or anything like that. Just like they were right, 352 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: there's the Sulfur queen Um, which is a ship that 353 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: had like a hundred and fifty thousand tons of molten 354 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: sulfur aboard, and they found scraps of or and stuff 355 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: like that that would indicate an explosion. Sure, there's nothing 356 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: that indicated that with the um with plane six eighty. 357 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: It just sank first, or maybe it was lifted to 358 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: a distant planet. Well, that is that is one explanation 359 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: that people use. So let's talk about we're gonna divvy 360 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: up the explanations into far fetched theories, yes, which is 361 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: what the article I think very fairly calls them. Sure, 362 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: and at least using Ackerman's razor. Uh. And then two 363 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: more scientific explanations. So let's start with the intensely more 364 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: fun and entertaining farfetched theories. Yes, I mentioned UFOs and 365 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: alien abduction, and that is a pretty hotbed of UFO 366 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: sightings down there. And some people have theorized that that's 367 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: what's going on there there poor in these ships and 368 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: planes abducting them to their universe, their planet, or it 369 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: may actually be a portal to other planets. Yes, they 370 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: think that possibly if there are portals that a blue hole, 371 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: which there are several in the Bermuda Triangle, are wormholes 372 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: through dimensions or time and space, and uh that this 373 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: is a highly trafficked portal in the Bermuda Triangle and 374 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: ships and planes get sucked into it accidentally. Uh. Some Josh, 375 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: think again, these are the far fetched theories that we're 376 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: going over now. Some think, Josh, that it is home 377 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: to the lost city of Atlantis, who which may or 378 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: may not have been populated by a race of aliens. Correct, 379 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: they had advanced technologies, some say including a death ray weapon. 380 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: So some say that destroyed Atlantis Eventually. Agred Casey said, 381 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: have you heard of him? I have the Sleeping Psychic 382 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: or a sleeping profit of Virginia Beach. Yeah. He he 383 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: was really hot for Atlantis. He was, and he predicted actually, 384 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: um that in the sixties. He didn't predict it in 385 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: the sixties. He predicted that in the sixties people would 386 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: find evidence of Atlantis off the coast of Bimony. And 387 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: surely enough in nineteen was it. Yeah, they found what's 388 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: known as the Biminy Road. Now, this is pretty interesting, 389 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: I think it is. It depends on your viewpoint, like 390 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle as a whole. But yes, there's a long, um, 391 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: what looks to be a road of shaped blocks of 392 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: rock in about fifteen ft of water off the coast 393 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: of Bimony. Yeah, and it's cool looking and uh, a 394 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: lot of people say, no, this is just something that 395 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: happened naturally, like a coral reef mite. And others have 396 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: studied it and said, you know what, these stones are 397 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: shaped and they're placed there very purposefully as a wall. 398 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: So it's also called the Biminy Wall or road, and uh, 399 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: this could have been tied to Atlantis somehow, could have 400 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: been a lot of people say also, look, there's tool 401 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: marks on there, and then critics say, yes, underwater tourists 402 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: like you have used tools to take chips off of 403 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: it as souvenirs and studying it. Yeah. Interesting, But if 404 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: you look at the Beminy Wall, it is very suggestive 405 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: of being shaped by man and being put in place. 406 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: But these are like enormous rocks, so it would have 407 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: taken a marvel of engineering to get those there. You 408 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: know what. Jerry just interrupted the podcast, which she rarely does, 409 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: and says, I dove the Bemini Road, so she's seen firsthand. 410 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: I thought she said I drove it. At first, I 411 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: was like, Jerry is an alien underwater doom buggie. We 412 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: should have just had her say it. But do you 413 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: want to say it? And she want to say it 414 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: because that would mean she exists. Did she beat first? 415 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: She did? Wow? Jerry, So let's get back to Atlantis. Uh. 416 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: They supposedly relied on the power of special energy crystals, 417 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: one of which has been recovered by a man named 418 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: Dr Ray Brown. Allegedly, Dr Ray Brown was a diver 419 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: and in nineteen seventy he said that he was diving 420 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: down there and discovered an underwater pyramid made of mirrored stone. 421 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: Mirrored stone, and just weird to see underwater? And is 422 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: it seeing a mirror pyramid? Doesn't seem like the seventies? Uh? 423 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: He said. He entered the pyramid and saw a brassy 424 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: metallic rod with a multifaceted red gym hanging from the 425 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: apex of the room. And directly below this rod was 426 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: a stand of bronze I'm sorry, with bronze hands holding 427 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: a crystal sphere four inches in diameter. He said, you 428 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna take that. It sounds like 429 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: something he found it like Kirkland's. You know that sounds 430 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: like a candle holder from kirkland Sid. Yeah, So he 431 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: thought it was a good idea to take this. He 432 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: removed it. He said, I'm not only gonna take it, 433 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna tell anyone five years until the 434 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: Great Psychic Seminar of Phoenix, Arizona in h he revealed 435 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: the crystal, and uh, what did they see when they 436 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: gazed upon it? Not one, not twice, but thrice pyramids 437 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: inside of smaller sizes, the smaller in front of the other, 438 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: and some people have been said to have seen a 439 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: fourth one in a deep meditative state. So basically Dr 440 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: Brown says, hey, man, um, these these pyramids are evidence 441 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: that there's some sort of electrical properties going on in 442 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: this crystal, and there's probably more of these crystals down there, 443 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: and that's probably what's causing all of these problems in 444 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: the Bermuda triangle. But scoff, as you might, there's apparently 445 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: evidence of an underwater urban complex off the coast of 446 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Cuba that was recently discovered in the last ten years 447 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: or so. Yeah, I think it was like racquetball courts 448 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: and uh other stuff. Now, that was definitely I looked 449 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: this up, but I didn't get a whole lot out 450 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: of it. What did you see? I thought that they're 451 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: still looking, They're still looking. God, I've become dated in 452 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: my old age. Was that making my scoff face? When 453 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: you said, when you said that, scoff as you may, Okay, 454 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: magnetic abnormalities. Uh, this one I think is sort of interesting. 455 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: There's a guy, a pilot named Bruce Gernon, and he 456 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: co wrote a book called The Fog Colon and never 457 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: before published theory of the Bermuda triangle phenomenon. He says 458 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: that in December of nineteen seventy, he was flying uh 459 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: to Beminy Clear Skies when he saw this weird cloud 460 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: almost perfectly round and hovering over the Miami shoreline right. 461 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: So he goes to go around it, goes to go 462 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: around it, cloud moves, couldn't go around it. So he said, 463 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: you know what this thing is like a tunnel. Now 464 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna fly into this tunnel, big whoop, fly 465 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: out the other side and get to my Destination's not 466 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: much of a Freudian, no he uh. He he got 467 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: inside the tunnel, he said he saw lines on the walls. 468 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 1: It spun counterclockwise, and my my, I'm this guy. All 469 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden and his channeling, Bruce gurg Garnan, his 470 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: uh navigational instruments were going nuts. His compass with spinning counterclockwise. 471 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 1: He said, you know, there should be blue sky at 472 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel, but there's really nothing. There's 473 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: no sky, there's no ocean, there's no horizon, there's no 474 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: nothing but gray Hayes as he's flying. Yes, which why 475 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: that's why, I said Lieutenant Taylor, saying everything looks weird. 476 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: My compasses are haywire. Yeah, that's why it counts. Okay um. 477 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: He contacted Miami Air Traffic Control to get some identification. 478 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: They said, uh, we don't see any planes over on 479 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: our radar over, And then a few minutes later they 480 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: went scratch that we see a plane now over you. No, 481 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: they didn't. They said that somebody spotted a plane over 482 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: Miami over. Oh they didn't. They didn't spot on the radar. No, No, 483 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: he popped up on the radar while it was in 484 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: the electronic fog. Somebody reported a plane flying over Miami 485 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 1: over or so. Uh. He said to himself, that's not 486 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: possible because it takes a good hour fifteen minutes to 487 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: get to Miami. I've only been up here for forty 488 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: seven minutes. At that moment, the clouds tunnel peals away 489 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: and the instruments go back to normal, and he looks 490 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: down and he sees Miami Beach Dwyane Wade on the 491 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: beach of Miami at South Beach playing basketball. So Gernan 492 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: said that, um, this happened to him, No just once, 493 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: but another time with his wife, and um, he wrote 494 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: a book on it, the Fog and never before published 495 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: Theory of the Bermuda Triangle phenomenon. He basically says that 496 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: there is some sort of um, the force of gravity 497 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: is weaker there and so like throw, magnetism is allowed 498 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: to escape more easily from the Earth's core. And what 499 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: it does, You've got an electromagnetic storm that this pays 500 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: very quickly but leaves this electronic fog that can just 501 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: screw you up, send you off course, uh, make you 502 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 1: lose time, and then the next thing you know, you're 503 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: a hundred miles off course with your compasses showing that 504 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: you're dead. Well, he claims it's a time travel tunnel. 505 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: So that's what he says, And he had another dude 506 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 1: that said, Hey, the same thing happened to me ten 507 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: years ago. I went through this time storm and my 508 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: watch confirmed it. Yeah, so there you have it, and 509 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. He's saying that the magnetism is weaker in 510 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: that area. That is that what he's saying. Yeah, um, 511 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: so that's the Electric Electronic Fog. I think he had 512 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: a band called Bruce Gernan and the Electronic Fog. Yeah, 513 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: they played at that same psychic seminar, that ray round 514 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: Debut pyramid. Um so, chuck, there's also uh. Basically, they're saying, okay, 515 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: al right, okay, okay, okay, okay, So no aliens, no atlantis. 516 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: Let's get scientific here. Um, how about that the Bermuda 517 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: Triangle is the only place where the compass the magnetic north, 518 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: true North and geographic north line up one of two places, right, yes, 519 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: the other one, get this is named the Devil c 520 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: It's off the coast of Japan. But it doesn't necessarily 521 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,959 Speaker 1: hold water either. But um, so they're saying, okay, so 522 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: how about this, And that makes compasses go crazy, makes 523 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: a malfunction, and therefore even a season pilot could be 524 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: led off course to die. So here's the mystery of 525 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle laid bare scientifically. So what's magnetic declination? 526 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 1: Go ahead and explain that. So agnetic declination is the distance. 527 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: So you have your geographic north pole, which is constant 528 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: constantly located in the same place right about twelve miles 529 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: north of the magnetic north pole. Okay, Magnetic declination is 530 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: the difference in compass degrees between um the two north poles. Yes, North, 531 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: and you have to compensate for it when you're charting 532 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: a course. It moves as you travel. Well, yes, and Um, 533 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: it's not it's not constant like it's not always um 534 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: separated by the same number of degrees depending on where 535 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: you are. Um, there's a line. Supposedly, it's an imaginary 536 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: line where true north magnetic north are imperfect linement. Okay, 537 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,479 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The agonic line is real, but it's an 538 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: imaginary line, right. Um, So, Sir Edmund Haley, the guy 539 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: who discovered Haley's comment said, you know what the Sagan line. Yeah, 540 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: this organic line is um. It moves. It's moving westward 541 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: at about point two degrees per year. At one point, yes, 542 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: the organic line was in the Bermuda triangle, but it 543 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: hasn't been that way for a while. It's now about 544 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: in the Gulf of Mexico. You know when it was. 545 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: I don't, But if it's moving point two degrees per year, 546 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't account for all of the stuff that's 547 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: gone on in Bermuda Triangle. If a lot of stuff 548 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: has gone on in Bermuna Triangle and the other uh uh, 549 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to say debunk. But the other thing 550 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: to consider is that they're they're assuming that these pilots 551 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: aren't accounting for the magnetic declination, which if you're an 552 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: experienced pilot, then your your accounting for that to get 553 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: your proper course exactly like, these aren't spring chickens who 554 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: were sailing through the Bermuda Triangle, not all of them. 555 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,719 Speaker 1: At least we talked about blue holes already a k a. Wormholes, 556 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: two other dimensions in parts of the universe. Now, Chuck, 557 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: let's go on to um the scientific or plausible theories there. 558 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: Weather patterns. It is a very turbulent area. You can 559 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: have violent, unexpected storms that pop up seemingly out of 560 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: nowhere and that dissipate really really quick as quick as 561 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: they came. That are undetected by satellites, so they can't 562 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: point and say, well, there was a big storm there. 563 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: You know, they'll just pop up leave. You can have 564 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: a water spout, which is a tornado over the ocean. 565 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: They're really cool looking but it can whip water up 566 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: to about a thousand feet into the air. Sure, and 567 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: if you're a small plane or even a large time 568 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: you could get taken out by one of those. Or 569 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: if you're a boat or a ship parked over a 570 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: water spout or traveling over a water spout, you're gone. 571 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: You're gone. So that's that's one plausible explanation, which is 572 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: just bad weather. Yeah, underwater earthquakes. Apparently there is um 573 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: a lot of seismic activity in the Bermuda triangle UM, 574 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: and that can cause what you're called freak waves, which 575 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: that's just sad for those waves. But they can get 576 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: up to a hundred feet high. And if you are 577 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: a little boat, even if you're a big boat, a 578 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: hundred foot wave is you're gone. Um. And one of 579 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: the reasons you're gone, Chuck, is because of the underwater 580 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: topography UM in the Bermuda Triangle. There's a gentle slope 581 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: away from the North American continent and then it drops 582 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: off and some of the deepest trenches on planet Earth 583 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: are in that area. So if you're a planer boat 584 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: and a water spout sinks you takes you out of 585 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: the air, or a freak wave get you um, and 586 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: you sink off of that shelf, the continental shelf, into 587 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: the trench. You're never ever ever going to be found, 588 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: except for maybe a civilization a couple of thousand years 589 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 1: into the future, maybe five. It sounds way more exciting 590 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: on a TV show to say something like and it 591 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: was never spotted again, especially if Robert Stack is saying it. 592 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: But it's not as exciting to say it was never 593 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: spotted again because it sank so deep we cannot get 594 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: down there to see it. And isn't that weird in itself? 595 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 1: Is not weird, it's weird. That's pretty creepy. That creeps 596 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: me out more than the idea of like a wormhole. 597 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: Oh like, how what's down there in the deep? Yeah? 598 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: Or like just the thought of a plane that's not 599 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: that's supposed to be up in the air is down there? Uh. 600 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: That part of the ocean is home to three water currents, 601 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: the jet stream, the Easterly's, and the Gulf Stream. And 602 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: the Gulf stream moves really fast, which is why Dexter 603 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: dumps his bodies in it, because it's gonna get washed 604 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: out to see at about five miles an hour, which 605 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like much. Trust us. That is fast for current, 606 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: that's fast when you're moving in the water. And if 607 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: you are an inexperienced sailor, and apparently this area has 608 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: a lot more inexperienced pilots and sailors because it's I 609 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: guess y um, it's gonna throw you off course hundreds 610 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: of miles if you're not compensating for it correctly. And 611 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: if they're not looking in the right place, you're a 612 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: hundred miles over there. You might as well be on 613 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: another planet, especially if you don't know where you are, 614 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: because if you're a hundred miles off course, you don't 615 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: realize you're a hundred miles off course, You're gone. What 616 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,399 Speaker 1: about this methane gas, it's sort of like the exploding lake. 617 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: I think this is my this is my favorite explanation. 618 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: So there is there are significant deposits of things called 619 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: methane hydrates, which is basically super dense methane gas in 620 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: the form of ice crystals on the sea floor um 621 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 1: and when these crystals, which keep the gas in place, rupture, 622 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: huge gas bubble can make its way to the surface 623 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: without any warning whatsoever in just a few seconds. And 624 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: in the area of this gas bubble up. The gas 625 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: mixes with the water, making the water significantly less dense, 626 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: making a ship that happens to be in this area 627 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: sunk like immediately. It also kicks up a bunch of sediments. 628 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: So conceivably ship that is pulled down suck down to 629 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean um and then it's covered 630 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: with sediment, is by all intensive purposes missing forever. Right, Yeah, 631 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: it makes sense. I like the methane gas one. Also, 632 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: if you're a plane, conceivably this gas explosion, this rupture 633 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: would be flammable, and if you have electrical equipment, you 634 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: could conceivably catch fire. Who knows. I like it more 635 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: for a ship because it makes sense, like just the 636 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: water basically bottoming out beneath the ship. Maybe, But that's 637 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: basically the same concept as the um death ray crystal, 638 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: except like we've seen these things and they're there. That's uh. 639 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: I read it this this one guy's article this morning, 640 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 1: and he talked about a guy named Larry Kush or 641 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: Kush and this guy he was at the He wasn't 642 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: was he, I don't think so. If he was there, 643 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: he was throwing tomatoes at him because he's one of 644 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 1: these guys. It's like, you know what, I'm gonna really 645 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: investigate everyone who's investigating. And he researched dozens and dozens 646 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: of articles and books and TV shows and he said, 647 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: you know what, not many of these people did any 648 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: real investigation. They're all telling the same stories over and 649 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: over and over to sell papers or advertising on TV. 650 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: And he says, you know what, they're just passing on 651 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: speculation as its truth. And what we've got here is 652 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: communal reinforcement over the years of people that really got 653 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: into this whole thing. And that's really all it is. 654 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: It's it's boats sinc planes crash. Sometimes they don't get found. 655 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: End of story. That's what he said. And uh here 656 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:05,879 Speaker 1: and if your childhood pirates do they say modern day 657 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: pirates are or could be used, especially before the d 658 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 1: A shut down the Caribbean for smuggling and basically through 659 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: Mexico into a pit of living hell. So some plausible, 660 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: some far fetched. There's the Bermuda triangle. I think this 661 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: is a good lesson. And um, it's like what we 662 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: do when we're doing research. If you've come across the 663 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: same story and it's told in almost the exact same way, 664 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: using the same wording across site after sit after site, 665 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: just like you said, communally reinforced. And it's not necessarily true. 666 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: But if you while away your hours and spend your 667 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: time researching the Bermuda triangle and getting into it and 668 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: it tickles your fancy, more power to you. Yeah, I'm 669 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: not gonna poop put it's fun. She just spent like 670 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: forty minutes poo pooing it. No, I just I believe 671 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: if it's just both sinking and planes crashing. Well, and 672 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: also you know, raises the question is there even a 673 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: significant amount loss compared to other places? It doesn't seem 674 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: like it. Well, anyway, that's Bermuna triangle. If you want 675 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 1: to learn more about it, you can read the article 676 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: on the site called Bermuda Triangle. Just type that into 677 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: the search bar at house to works dot com and 678 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: we'll bring it up. And I said search bar. So 679 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: it's time for a listener mail. That's right, Josh, I'm 680 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: gonna call this uh nast Thomas nasty email from himself. No, no, 681 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: he's not alive anymore. Uh This from Evan B. And 682 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: Evans says, I was just listening to the podcast on 683 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,240 Speaker 1: political animals. It was the one on the Republican Elephant 684 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: Democratic Donkey. I have an interesting story involving Thomas Nast. 685 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 1: I have an elderly neighbor. About a year ago, my 686 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: mom started working for him as an aide. He was 687 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: going through his I'm sorry he's going through financial troubles 688 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: mentioned selling a painting he had bought years ago when 689 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: he lived in Pittsburgh. It was a painting of the 690 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: head of Christ, and it turns out it was Thomas 691 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: nast original. Uh. This is very interesting to learn because 692 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: Nast is known for its political works and not necessarily 693 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: religious ones. My mom took the painting to be a 694 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: praise and it was valued at about two hundred thousand dollars. 695 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: Holy Cow turned out to be somewhat of a generous estimate, 696 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: but the painting was still very valuable. Nonetheless, the painting 697 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: was placed in Skinner's auction house set to auction in 698 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: the fall, but did not sell unfortunately. However, it is 699 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: going to be back up for auction again at the 700 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: next Skinner's auction. And I'm happy that I finally have 701 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: a relevant story to email you guys about when people 702 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: say that like I've always wanted to email in, but 703 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: I've never had anything to say until now. But but 704 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 1: usually when they say that it's something significant, you can 705 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: email in to say hi, that's fine. Yeah, but you're 706 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: not gonna get red on the air unless it's significant. 707 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: Oh is that what it's all about? That's what I said. 708 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,919 Speaker 1: There's nothing to do with telling it's high. So that's 709 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,879 Speaker 1: Evan B and his mom. It's a great story. Yeah. 710 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: I love ones like that, Like have you ever heard 711 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: the one about the lady who found like a hundred 712 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: and fifty grand in cash and like a fire extinguisher 713 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: That never happened to me. Yeah, I love this. Um. Well, 714 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: that is it for unsolved mysteries. We appreciate you joining us, 715 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: and uh, if you want to get in touch with us, 716 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: if you want to tell us high, you can just 717 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: tell us high. It's fine. Um. You can tweet to 718 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: us at s Y s K podcast. 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