1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyon. In this is episode number fifty 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: nine Tannis show. We're joined by Eric Long of Drumming 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Log Wildlife Management, and we're diving into the topic of 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: summer habitat projects and much much more. All right, Welcome 8 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you by 9 00:00:53,159 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: Sick of Gear now saying it, uh uh, I'm sorry, 10 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: that's that. Let's try that again. All right, Welcome to 11 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick 12 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: of Gear. Now. Today in the show, we're talking habitat 13 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: and we're joined by an expert on that very topic, 14 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: Eric Long. Eric is the owner of Drumming Log Wildlife Management, 15 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: which is a wildlife consulting business, and he was also 16 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: named the Quality Deer Management Association two thousand nine Professional 17 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: Deer Manager of the Year, so obviously he's going to 18 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: be a tremendous resource for us. That said, today me 19 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: and Dan are going to grill him on everything that 20 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: we all need to know about habitat improvement projects. For 21 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: deer that we can take on this summer and probably 22 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: a lot more. But before we get to Eric Dan, 23 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 1: what's new? Not too much? Speaking of projects, I am 24 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: busy with projects at work and at home. I don't 25 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: think I want to hear about the work projects, but 26 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: anything setting at home. Last night I made uh basically 27 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: called it Ava's chores board, where it's just a bunch 28 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: of things that if she does right or does good, 29 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: she gets a sticker. So you're talking about your daughter. 30 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: I thought maybe you're talking about you. Was a shocking 31 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: for a second. Oh no, No, my daughter Ava. So 32 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: a list of things she's gonna have to do for me. 33 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: Like I hate to say, this is gonna be funny, 34 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: but the list includes pick up your toys, poop in potty, 35 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: p in potty, eat all your food. So no, we're 36 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: talking about my daughter. Oh man, that's a pretty solid 37 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: list of chores. Yeah, that's just a couple that are 38 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: right off the time, you know, like listen, help daddy, 39 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: help mommy, all that stuff. So hopefully we can bribe 40 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: her with stickers and let her know that if you're good, 41 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: you may get rewarded for it. So did the beginning 42 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: of your list. There is not too different from the 43 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: list my wife makes for me, So not too bad. Yeah, 44 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: except yours probably has don't be asked. Yeah, that's number one, 45 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: number two, number three, Oh jeez, So you got the 46 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: chore list done for the little one. When's mac gonna 47 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: have to start doing chores? Oh? Probably next week. Sometimes 48 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: put the kid to work. That's the best thing about him, right, Yeah. 49 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: His We went to the doctor and measured his head 50 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: and it is in like the eight percentile out of 51 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: out of all a hundred kids born on that date 52 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: throughout the United States. He his he has his head 53 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: is larger. Well, he's in the eight percentile head size. 54 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: It's big head. Yeah, he's got a big head. You 55 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: got pretty big. Thanks thanks man. I don't know, I 56 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: haven't measured it. I mean, I wear average hats. I 57 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: mean it's I don't know. I don't know where I'm 58 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: going with this. I've got a kind of a weird head. 59 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I don't know if it's 60 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: weird or it's I've got certain hats that maybe I 61 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: don't know. I've got a short top of my head, 62 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: maybe like the space from the top of my ears 63 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: to the top of the dome of my head. I 64 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: think it's too short, maybe because I get lots of 65 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: hats that the crown of the hat it seems like 66 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: just way too high and it makes me look ridiculous. 67 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: So like maybe like four of every ten hats I 68 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: try ends up being ridiculous. So I buy these things online. 69 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: I get it, I put it on my head. I'm like, nope, 70 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: turn around, put it back in the mail. I don't 71 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: know what's up with that. Um, we've reached a new loan. 72 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: People are going, oh god, fast forward to the gas. 73 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: These guys are idiots. I think that's probably what everyone does. 74 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: I think we could probably talk about anything within the 75 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: first five minutes of the show and and no one 76 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: would know it because they always just fast forward. So 77 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: they're they're getting situated, they're grabbing all their stuff. It's 78 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: like it's like the previews I guess at a movie 79 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: theater exactly, although I like the previews. You're a nerd, right, 80 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm a super nerd. Uh. That Star Wars movie is 81 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: coming out, so you're gonna enjoy that. I'm gonna go 82 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: to the midnight showing. I'm not. I'm not kidding either. Congratulations, 83 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: what the Star Wars they need a like a planet 84 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: full of booner box Wodn't that just makes sense? That 85 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: would if I was a real Star Wars nerd, I 86 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: would know the name of names of some of the 87 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: creatures they already have, but I don't. But yeah, let's 88 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: be pretty legit, um, real quick before we get Eric 89 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: on the phone. I haven't done this for a while 90 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: on our recent podcast for some reason. I don't know 91 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: why not, But I finally have a delicious icy cold beverage. 92 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a podcast today, and I think that's really 93 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: gonna help me get into the flow. What is it? 94 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: What kind is it? It is a howling wolf from 95 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: the Grand Teton Brewing Company out here, local brewery out 96 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: here out west, and it's not too bad. So I'm 97 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: stepping on that. And um, I'm excited to talk to him, 98 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: Excited to talk about habitat, Excited to talk to Eric 99 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: because he's a guy that, um, I've been seeing online 100 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: putting some great stuff out there and really being a 101 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: tremendous resource for a lot of people. And I think 102 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to help you and me and 103 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: all of our listeners really get some new ideas and 104 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: some better ideas for how to improve our habitat on 105 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: the properties we hunt or manage, and even for those 106 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: of us that don't own property or can't manage habitat, 107 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: I think we'll get some great tips just in regards 108 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: to hunting. To um, he's he's just got a wealth 109 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: of information from everything I can tell. So I'm I 110 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: know that I talked to my landowner on one of 111 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: my properties and I asked him about making some deer 112 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: habitat basically, and although they were they they I think 113 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: it was they didn't want me to do it. But 114 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: the guy says to me, now, don't get carried away. 115 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, I just don't get carried away. So 116 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm really not sure what that means. So 117 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe if I go into a place of 118 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: the property that really isn't I don't know, doesn't whole 119 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: a lot of deer nobody, maybe ever go there and 120 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: maybe just do one or two three hinge cuts and 121 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: just see what happens. Yeah, I think as long as 122 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: it's something that's like not bothering the landowner, right, it 123 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: probably is something you can do. So that's exciting. So 124 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: that's a small project. And I'm gonna ask him about 125 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: that today and see, uh see if he's got any 126 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: tips or tricks or something that might benefit that. Cool. 127 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: I think that's uh, that's good news. I'm excited to 128 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: hear you'll get to try some of these things out 129 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: in your place. Right, I'm excited. I'm already you know, 130 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm stoked to be out here doing some different things. 131 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: But I'm already like dreaming of white tails. Just last night, 132 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: i was watching a DVD about some big Bucks and 133 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm looking at pictures and I'm dying to check my 134 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: trail cameras down in Ohio. I just has so long 135 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: to wait. That's what I'm doing on Saturday. Actually, I'm 136 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: going down and having my first card pool of the year. Nice, 137 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: do you wanna do you wanna do me a favor? 138 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: Drab to Ohio? Yeah, well, you wanna go to Ohio 139 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 1: and check my cameras? Okay, let me talk my wife 140 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: into that. Yeah, that'll be easy, right, hey, honey, Yeah, right, yeah? 141 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: They want to go over to well yeah, well a 142 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: couple couple more six seven weeks, I guess, and I'll 143 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: get to see. So the good thing about it is 144 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: you're not going in there with any pressure, and based 145 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: on what you said, there's nobody else really out there, 146 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: so that it's just less pressure on the property, which 147 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: is a good thing if you want to think about 148 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: it that way. Yeah, that's true. There's there should be 149 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: very little pressure and uh there should be a lot 150 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: of mature bucks hitting those mineral sites. I gotta believe that. 151 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: I don't have very high hopes, so I check those 152 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: cameras in August. So I think we have got to 153 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: stop stop rambling on though bs and because we gotta 154 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: get Eric on the phone here, So how about we, 155 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: uh we shut up and get the smart guy on. Okay, 156 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm already on man, just getting the other All right, 157 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: let's let's call Eric. All right with us now on 158 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: the line is Eric Long? Welcome to the show. Eric, Hey, 159 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: welcome to being here. Yeah, we're I always say this, 160 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: but I always I'm excited to have you on the line. 161 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: Excited chat because um, you know, every week me and 162 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: Dan love talking white tails. But when it's just me 163 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: and Dan talking white tales, usually we end up talking 164 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: ourselves in circles and confusing ourselves. It's always to have 165 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: someone who really knows what they're doing joining us. UM, 166 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: so we're definitely stoked that you can you can be 167 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: here and that you can share some of your expertise 168 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: and you know, in the introduction of this show, I 169 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: mentioned briefly a little bit about who you are and 170 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: what you do. Um, but but really I'd like to 171 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: hear from you for those who aren't familiar with what 172 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: you do and who you are, could you give us 173 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: a brief introduction to to what you do in the 174 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: white tail world today? Yeah, sure can Well. Um, I 175 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: have a small business called Drummond Law of Wildlife Management, 176 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: and we've been managing white tailed deers professionally for about 177 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: since two thousand and one. And um, what we do 178 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: is we go out all across the country and manage 179 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: people's properties for you know, uh, pretty obvious white tailed 180 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: deer you know. And that includes you know, um, habitat recommendations, 181 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: through plots. You know, we get into the harvest part 182 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: and et cetera. So that's basically what we do there. Um. 183 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: And like in two thousand nine, Quality Dear Man Association, 184 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: uh and something that we're very proud of awarded us 185 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: with our brother Professional Deer Manager of the year awards, 186 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: so we're pretty happy about that still to this day. Um, 187 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: but we wear many hats um here druma laga. We're 188 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: happy to be a part of the management advantage and 189 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: the management advantage that everyone could remember. It used to 190 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: be on the outdoor channel and now it's strictly web 191 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: based and we usually have a web show once a month. 192 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: We try to have a sooner, but a lot of 193 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: us have careers and stuff and we don't get as 194 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: much as we would like to. But we're currently trying 195 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: to change that. And you know, there we go. Um 196 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: we talk about you know, the latest trends and and 197 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: try to help people out in their management uh decisions 198 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: and guide them were you know, it's just able to 199 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: with your phone or whatever you're We're just a one 200 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: thing or tip away from helping somebody. So that's something. 201 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: And uh. Also, like I said, we were many hats. 202 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm currently um in a process of getting my real 203 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: estate license and working for much of properties here in 204 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: Ohio as well, so we're pretty excited about that venture 205 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: as well. Nice in a nutshell, so that means in 206 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: the future, you can get me a sweet deal on 207 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: an Ohio property, not a problem A problem. Yes, I 208 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: love the great state of Ohio. It's my my favorite 209 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: trip of the years, head and south of the border 210 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: and chasing this big we let we let the people 211 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: from up north come to Ah. I appreciate the generosity. Um. So, 212 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: so you mentioned the fact that you know, with the 213 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: drumming long wildlife, you do a lot of you know, 214 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: overall habitat and property and management consulting for deer hunting, 215 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: and to maybe kick us off, I wanted to try 216 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: to get like a high level idea of your like 217 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: philosophy for how you approach management habitat management. So I 218 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: thought maybe the best way to do that would be 219 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: too Managine that I have a hypothetical blank slate property. 220 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: Let's say I come to you. I want your help 221 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: as a consultant to help me, you know, improve this 222 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: property for hunting and for deer. And let's assume it's 223 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: just a basic mix, an average mixed up property of 224 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: some timber, some eggs, some you know, some brush of 225 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: some type. Um, can you share with me what the 226 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: beginning process would be. Let's say I come to you 227 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: and say, hey, here's my property. What happens next? What 228 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: are the what's the process that we go through. Well, 229 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: what we like to do is when we come out 230 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: to a piece of property. UM, basically, what we like 231 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: to do is we sit down with like with you 232 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: and um. Instead of you know, just jumping in walking 233 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: the property, what we like to do is we get 234 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: to know you, you know, and sometimes that you know, 235 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: we have to ask some personal questions and to get 236 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: to know you. Um. You know, a lot of the 237 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: clients when we get to their property are just really 238 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: eager to get out in the field, and rightfully so, 239 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of stuffs before we go out there, 240 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: and some of those steps at the beginning are you know, 241 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: like I said, personal questions. We sit down with you, 242 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: we try to get to know who you are and 243 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: some of your limitations. And some of those limitations are 244 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: like do you own equipment? What type equipment? Because we 245 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: don't want to go out there and start saying, hey, 246 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: we'll let's get a doze in here, let's do this 247 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: and this and this, and some of those questions that 248 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: we ask is like you know what, Unfortunately, it takes money, 249 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: sometimes not all the time sometimes to do some of 250 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: these management practices that we might recommend, and I don't 251 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: want to waste your time or my time, are making 252 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: you feel like, well, I don't have a shot in 253 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: the dark. You know, we try to get those questions 254 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: answered before we go out there. UM. That way, it's 255 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: just it saves you know, like I said, time and 256 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: sometimes embarrassment for the for the client and UM. So 257 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, some of the questions are equipment and then 258 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: also you know, what's your neighbors. You know, do you 259 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: have neighbors that you you know that you have run ins? 260 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: Are they going to be intruding on your property? You know? 261 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: Trespassing issues? Uh. You know, some parts of the Midwest 262 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: a lot of oil and gas and those you know 263 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: those pumper guys. Are they on your property? When are 264 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: they on your property? You know, just silly questions like 265 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: that From time to time. That needs depends on where 266 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm at when I'm drive to your property. For example, 267 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm soaking in the last like half hour to your property. 268 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm soaking in the area, trying to get an idea 269 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: what's going on. UM, try to do some research on 270 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: the area as well. But UM, but after we feel comfortable, 271 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, getting to know you. UM, because the hardest 272 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: part of my job is not going out and and 273 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: telling you or giving you advice on how to manage whilife. 274 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: It's either you know it or you don't. And the 275 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: client will quickly pick up on that. It's get it's 276 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: the first We always joke around that it's the first 277 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minutes, uh, to have a complete stranger 278 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: have full faith in you. And that's a lot to ask. 279 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: So you know, that's the hardest are being a consultant, 280 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: a deer consultant nowaday um, and trying to manage those 281 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: expectations as well. UM. So when we feel comfortable getting 282 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: to know one another, we go we quickly go into 283 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: a power point presentation and we try to start everybody 284 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: on you know, deer management one oh one at the bait, 285 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, the bottom line. UM. You know, a lot 286 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: of clients to say, well we can skip that part. 287 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: I know a little bit about I'm a key d 288 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: um a member and a lot a lot you know, 289 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: but you know, there's a lot of misinformation out there. 290 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: So we try to start everybody at the ground zero 291 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: and then work up from there and whether you know 292 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: something or you don't know something, and you know and 293 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: that helps you out to some of the terminology that 294 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: I'll be using out in the field. It helps you understand. 295 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: You know, there's a picture of it. You'll know what 296 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: it looks like. You know what we're trying to search for. 297 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: When I were walking out into the your field and 298 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: I say warm season grasses, you'll from our power point presentation, 299 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: you'll know what it looks like. How the planet, you 300 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: know some of the difficulties of it. We go over 301 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff before we got in the field, and 302 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: then when I feel comfortable that you have a good 303 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: idea what we're doing then is when we go out 304 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: walk the property and try to, you know, unlock the 305 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: full potential of your your piece of paradise that you 306 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: spent so much time and money on, you know, trying 307 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: to guide you. And every property is different. What your 308 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: property is like with you running, it is gonna be 309 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: different if Dan owned the same property. Okay, due to 310 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: his limitations what he's trying to search for. You can't 311 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: just put a blanket thing on any property because it's 312 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: it's not the property, it's the owner or leasy, who 313 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: is going to dictate what is going on on that property? 314 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: You follow me on that? Yeah, So it's not just 315 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, one size fits all. You know you can't 316 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: do that, and UM, so that's you know why we 317 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: do we ask those sometimes those personal questions, trying to 318 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: get to know you what you're capable of, you know, 319 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: so we're not going to recommend a lot of things 320 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: if you're not necessarily capable of or ready to do that. 321 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: So Eric, then for someone who's at home, who isn't 322 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: using consultant, but who themselves wants to improve their habitat 323 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: for dear, um, you know what questions should they be asking? 324 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: You mentioned a few things that you would be asking 325 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: a client, and I'm assuming those would be some of 326 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: the same things that somebody should ask themselves. But you 327 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: know what, what other questions should somebody ask when they're 328 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: sitting down and say, okay, hey, I want to start 329 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: improving my habitat? Where what do they need to be 330 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: thinking about? Yeah, that's a great question. That is actually 331 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: the like the main question that everybody should be asking, 332 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, whether a consultant or you know, um doing 333 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: it themselves. Um, it's being honest with each other or 334 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: honest with yourself, that is, and that is sometimes the 335 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: most difficult thing is my property and or am I 336 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: capable of doing what my expectations are? That is probably 337 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: the number one question that anybody trying to do this 338 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: themselves should be asking. Okay, it's just being honest and 339 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: then going from there. There is not a right or 340 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: wrong answer to that. Actually answering it honestly gets you ahead, 341 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, instead of well yeah, I'll pull this off. Um, 342 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, am I capable of you know, planning a 343 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: food plot? And if it's so good? Next step? If 344 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: I'm not, what do I need to do to correct that? 345 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: You know, questions like that, And the big thing is 346 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: is you know, is my property capable Let's just say 347 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: you have is my property you know, capable of producing 348 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: good quality habitat? I want to plant switch grafts, but 349 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: my properties all would Okay, well that's there's a lot 350 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: of limitations there, you know, knowing what you want and 351 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: what your property is capable of, and the soil and 352 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: everything is you know, sometimes they don't they don't mesh. 353 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: And that is doing your homework, you know, does educate yourself. 354 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: It's it's so important whether you hire somebody or you 355 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: do it yourself, is to educate yourself. You know, there's 356 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: there's just a whole bunch of information out there. And unfortunately, 357 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: and I hate to say this out loud, but unfortunately 358 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of it that's not it's it's you know, 359 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: it's just it's not all that great trying to you know, 360 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: struggle with words here about offending anybody. Um. You know, 361 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: it's just you have to sit through the good and 362 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: with the bad. And that's where educating, you know, educating yourself, 363 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: we'll get you there. But it's a big thing. It's 364 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, being realistic. Um. And you know, unfortunately, if 365 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: you live in the Midwest, you know, sometimes like let's 366 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: use Ohio for example, having the right piece of the 367 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: puzzle is crucial here in our state. You know, you 368 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: could have twenty acres I applies that twenty acres in 369 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: the state and shoot three and a half four and 370 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: a half yield year every year. But the big thing 371 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: is you have to give them a reason to be there. 372 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: And what is that? What is lacking in your surrounding area. 373 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: That's another question that you should be asking. If you're 374 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: surrounded by corn, you know, don't plant corn. If you're 375 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: surrounded by grasses, don't plant grass. You have to be different, okay, 376 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: And you have to take that hundred acre or thousand 377 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: acre concept and shrink it down to whatever size property 378 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: you you're trying to manage. You know, the more diverse 379 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: your property is, which means more variety that's out there, um, 380 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: the more attractive it's going to be. So that's your 381 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: goal is to take that big property concept and shrink 382 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: it down. Offer soft mass, offer hard mass if you 383 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: don't have it. And you have to think to yourself, Hey, 384 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: you know there's four seasons in the year. Is my 385 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: property producing some type of cover that is going to 386 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: be adequate for that time of year for that white 387 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: tail deer for them to be in my property as 388 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: long as possible. So that's thinking you need to strive for. 389 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: You need to pick out the weaknesses of your property. 390 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: Don't concentrate on the strong points just yet. Okay. So 391 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: you need to pick out the weaknesses of the property 392 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: and then go from there. So that is something some 393 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: of the questions that you need to be asking yourself. Yeah, 394 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: those are those are some key ones really and some 395 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: things that are right in line with a lot of 396 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: what what I've learned and seen to you know, like 397 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: you said, expectations, understanding what your expectations are. Understanding you 398 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: know what you're missing, you know what are the weaknesses, 399 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: what are the errors that are missing? And then you 400 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: know how do I provide diversity? Um, that all make sense. Now. 401 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: One of the things, one of the first things you 402 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: mentioned expectations. Um. As some of the listeners know, my 403 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: co host Dan has a newborn baby, Mac and Um, 404 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: he unfortunately just had to drop off the line Eric 405 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: because there was some baby issues, I think. Um, but 406 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: he had sent me a question who to ask you 407 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: before he dropped off? Um? That is about expectations. You 408 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: know what happens if someone comes to you or I guess, 409 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: how do you work with someone to answer that expectation 410 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: question properly? Or how to set those expectations properly? Because 411 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: I imagine guys might coming and say, hey, I want 412 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: to shoot a one eighty, but maybe they have a 413 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: twenty acre property in Michigan. Um, how would you recommend 414 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: someone properly set expectations? Yeah, and that goes back I 415 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: want to shoot to gain a line. Uh. You know, 416 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: and like I said, back to the beginning, is is 417 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: that sometimes the hardest part of my job, you know, 418 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to be a psychiatrist, which is you know, 419 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: part of being a consultant is you know, you you 420 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: it's being honest with the client. You know. Um, that 421 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: seems to be you know obviously the number one goal 422 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: is like, well, you know, Mark, we have a long 423 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: way to get there, you know, and you just kind 424 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: of you have to manage that expectation and how you 425 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: do that it's per person, you know. You that's my 426 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: job to feel that out that you know, can I 427 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: attend you know, go directly and just be brought with you, 428 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: or do I need to take steps to get you, 429 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, take a couple steps down on the runs 430 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: of the ladder you know. Um, so yeah, it's that 431 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: gets asked so much. You know. The majority of the 432 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: clients that we you know, we have that we're doing 433 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: business with is yeah, they all want you know, and 434 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: they they expect you when you show up that you're 435 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: going to produce that form. And that's with every consult 436 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: and it's no fault to them, you know, they just 437 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: they have read, they've watched DV they've done all that stuff. 438 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: They thought, well, all I need to do is this. 439 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: You know, there's so much steps, so much process. None 440 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 1: of it's hard. It's just it's managing time. It's like 441 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: losing I always tell clients it's like losing weight. You know. 442 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: We all want to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. But if 443 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: you're coming home and eating a bag of shifts, it's 444 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: not gonna happen, you know, So you have to just 445 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: be patient. We will get there if your property is 446 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: capable of it. You know, it takes a lot to 447 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: get to, you know, producing a three and a half 448 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: year old gear anywhere, which is usually a one thirty 449 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: the one sixty class lights elpend on where you live, 450 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: that is an accomplishment. That seems to be the thing 451 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: that anymore, a three year old is treated like a 452 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: two year old, you know, one ten. You know, Um, 453 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: everyone's shooting big and that's great, that's great motivation, but 454 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: you have to bring it down when you're starting out. 455 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: Let's let's concentrate on the habitat first, okay, and then 456 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: we'll go to the harvest part. Let's give them a 457 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: reason to be here on your property first. Then we 458 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: can start inventoring, and then we can start recommending, Ay, 459 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: you need to shoot x amount of dose. Um, we 460 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: don't believe in calling, so we don't concentrate on that stuff. Um, 461 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: so you know, it's just doing some home work, it's 462 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: just educating the client, you know, listening to them being 463 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: patient as well as trying to teach them patients, So 464 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: quick fall up on that. Then for for someone who's 465 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: who's thinking through this themselves, you know, the the expectation 466 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: setting process, what would you recommend as the right or 467 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: is there a right criteria? You know, should they be 468 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: looking at setting expectations or goals based on Antler size 469 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: like uh, you know score, or should they be you know, 470 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: start out thinking just an age class maybe, or would 471 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: you recommend something different entirely? What what's your recommended kind 472 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: of way for people to start setting proper goals. That 473 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: is a question that it's a very good question. You 474 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: think there would be a really quick answer to that, 475 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: and unfortunately there's not because it's per person. And then 476 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those things a lot in 477 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: the dear world. There's not a writer wrong answer, and 478 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: it's not the wrong answer sometimes in the public's eye, 479 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: even though you might believe in that, um, you can't 480 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: be ashamed of that answer. Like I want to shoot 481 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: a one eighty, you know, and I'm not because I 482 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: want to. You know, while you know, whatever reason and 483 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: whatever you come up with, you can't be embarrassed about. 484 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people like I did a 485 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: show one time, why do I practice QDM? And I 486 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: wanted people not to say the obvious. You know, all 487 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: it is for the white field deer. Let's the obvious answer. 488 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: I didn't I had. I had so many people, uh 489 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, send me a little video clips, and none 490 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: of them they answered it right. But I think they 491 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: answered it because they were worried about what the public 492 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: was going to view them as you know, be honest. 493 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: You know, I want to shoot a one eighty and 494 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed of it. So it's per person, you know, 495 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: I like to you know, go by age because like 496 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: in Ohio, the average lifespan of a deer in Ohio 497 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: is a year and a half. So anything above that 498 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: there's a wind. You know, you go by your area. Now, 499 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: if you live in Illinois and you're surrounded by leases 500 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: and giant farming, you're not you know, you don't have 501 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: ermanization around you. You can shoot that expectation up a 502 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: little bit. But if you live in an urban area, 503 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: which most like Michigan, Ohio, even Indiana anymore, Pennsylvania, the Midwest, um, 504 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 1: you know, pick a state, it's all urbanized. So you 505 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: have to like, well, is my area even capable, you know, 506 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: due to hunting pressure. You know, you might be trying 507 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: to shoot at one sixty all your life and it's 508 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: not happening. You're pasting of one forties. Well that might 509 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: be all that's gonna happen due to the outside world, 510 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,239 Speaker 1: not your piece of property. But sometimes your neighbors are 511 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: the ones that's limiting you from achieving that, and that's 512 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: not their fault because it's their right. And that's what 513 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: makes the world go around to shoot whatever deer they want. Everybody, 514 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: I don't put your shoes on, you don't walk in mind, 515 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: you know. So so that's that's the answer. I know 516 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: I didn't mean a ramble there, but that's basically the answer. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 517 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: like you said, there really is no one size fits all, 518 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: um answer to that question. Everyone has to to make 519 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: that decision on their own. So so we've you know, 520 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking at my property. I've I figured out Okay, 521 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: here's the limitations here, some areas that I need. Here's 522 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: like the ways that can make my property more diverse. 523 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: I've got an idea of what my limitations and expectations 524 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: should be. I'm setting the proper goals. I've got these 525 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: things figured out to some degree. Now, um, now I'm 526 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: ready to start working on the property. Let's say this summer, 527 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: what are your if I'm focusing just on this time 528 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: of year, what kinds of projects are the are your 529 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: favorite things to be working on during the summer that 530 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: someone could listen to today and actually start working on 531 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: in the coming weeks or months on their property to 532 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: improve it for deer and deer hunting. Yeah, and yeah, 533 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: it's just how much shape we have markets. It's the 534 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 1: life of a deer manager can be as complicated as 535 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: you want, you know. It's just you can make yourself 536 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: as busy as possible. In your family hate you, or 537 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: you can just you know, hey, I'm gonna lower my 538 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: expectations down and I'm gonna do what I can. Um. 539 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: And that's like, once again, I hate to, you know, 540 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: beat the dead horse here, but it's it's it's per 541 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: person and what they're trying to accomplish. But you know, 542 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: as a whole, if you planted some string food plots. 543 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: You know, um, you know last month, which most people 544 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: probably have their food plots in by now. Um, so 545 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: what's what's doing right now? What's going on in your 546 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: food plots? And that is you know weed growth. You know, uh, 547 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: going out there with your food plots. Just don't plant 548 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: your food plots and just walk away, you know, do 549 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: you have to for that to achieve what your you know, 550 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: your expectations are. You know, Um, you have to control 551 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: the weed growth now if you don't have the money 552 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: to you know, put forth the herbicide, you know, because 553 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: that stuff is very expensive. It's getting more expensive every year. 554 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes you know you go, well, that's it 555 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: is what it is, and whether it's whatever you plan, 556 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: it is going to dictate whether is mowing the best 557 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: way is her beside the best way? You know, So 558 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: you need to go out there and if if you 559 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: love hunting over food plots and food plots is your thing, 560 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: you need to get out there and see what is 561 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: growing other than what you planted. And and that is 562 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: one thing that we really try to emphasize, you know, 563 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: educate yourself. You know, there's many books out there like 564 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: Weeds of the Northeast. You can get on Amazon, you 565 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: can go to your extension office. It's around for that 566 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: book is priceless and dependent on where you live. I 567 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: think that there's coming out of the new book Weeds 568 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: of the Southeast. Um. I think that book is coming 569 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: out where. That book is just full of all the 570 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: weeds that is, you know, in your area, and it 571 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: has the early, mid and late stage in it. And 572 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: you could take that book out there and learn what 573 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: that weed is where you'll know what herbicide to use. 574 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: You know, if you don't know your leeds and you go, 575 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: well it's well round up, Well, that roundup might not work. 576 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: Round up is not the miracle herbicide. It might. It 577 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: might take a broad leave killer like a two four 578 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: D or you know, et cetera. But you need to 579 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: know your weeds and you need to go out there 580 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: and check that out, especially if you plant at your 581 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: food plots last month. I know here in the mid 582 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: you know, in Ohio, for example, we've been just getting 583 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: enough rain for that. It's not enough for the plant. 584 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: It's great for thistle, you know, uh, you know, it's 585 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: all the all the weeds love it. Just enough rain 586 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,239 Speaker 1: to make them grow but not enough. So I know 587 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: my food plots are weeding. I need to get out 588 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: there this weekend. But once again, even you know I've 589 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: been doing this for twenty years. Saw you go out 590 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: there and see what it's going on. Um. The next 591 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: thing is to is you know, if you're have a 592 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: fifty acres, you need to you know, you have your 593 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: property set. Like you said, everything's done and you're still 594 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: having you're missing that one piece. And most of the 595 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: time to make your property more attractive is it's not 596 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: necessarily on your property. It's your neighbors. And that is 597 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: taking the time to not be aggressive with your neighbors, 598 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: but trying to form a co op. If you don't 599 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: feel that you're capable of doing that, going and talking 600 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: to your neighbor going hey, how you doing, I don't 601 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: you know whatever, talking to and trying to get them, 602 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: but not being pushy or oh here comes Mark again. 603 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: You know, not that kind of don't be that guy, 604 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: but be the guy like, hey, this is if you 605 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: do this, Look what we can do. You know, my dear, 606 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: your dear, your dear, and my dear, we can produce. 607 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: We can produce that big dear, if we work together. 608 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: Some years you're going to be successful. Some years I'm 609 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: going to be the guy that's successful. But we can 610 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: only do that if we work together. So that is 611 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: a big job. I mean a lot of people don't 612 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: concentrate on that. The concentrate on the property. But sometimes 613 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: the property is not the limiting factor. That's the outside, 614 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: especially in states like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and more urbanized, 615 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, the smaller tracks the ground, you know, don't 616 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: forget that part, you know, Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah. 617 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: And then um, also you know, I don't I see 618 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: on the type of guy. Um Um. I love using 619 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: deer cameras. I absolutely love using them. But I did 620 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: a research project a couple of years ago and and 621 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: showing them what some of the dear responses to the camera, 622 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: and knowing what I knew, you know what I learned 623 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: from that. You know, I'm not a big guy right now, 624 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: and I never make clients not do it. You know, 625 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna do what they want to do. Um is 626 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, kind of get ready to put the cameras 627 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: out if that's is your thing, you know, Um, but 628 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: you gotta remember, the more you're on your property, you 629 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 1: know that that's all it takes us one time pump 630 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: that deer. That's like, I'm tired of being some guy 631 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: walking in here every couple of days to check his camera. 632 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: You know he's gonna leave, you know, stay off your 633 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: property as much as you possibly can. So using cameras 634 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: this time of year, you know, it's like, what are 635 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: you gonna see? You know, we all like to inventory 636 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: our deer, and I do as well, but like this 637 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: time of year, you have some growth. Okay, okay, So 638 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: what do you learn from that? Well, not necessarily a lot, 639 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: not yet, So it depends on what you what you 640 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: like to do. But if you are in the cameras, 641 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: that's definitely one thing that you should be getting ready 642 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: to start inventoring some of your deer. Checking your fond recruitment. 643 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: That is a big thing. Um. You know, cameras are 644 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: a great way, uh keep your mineral licks going. Those 645 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: does are going through so much, you know, they're pulling 646 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: so much out of the body because of fond production. 647 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: Um you know, So that's something to keep your minerals 648 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: uh go if you're allowed to use that in your state, um, 649 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: but if not, there's other ways to do that. And 650 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: that's a topic for another day. But um, also too 651 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: is learning your dear. You can't manage your dear unless 652 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: you learn your dear. And that necessarily doesn't mean on 653 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: your property, because you know, a lot of your box, 654 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: you know, those batchelors of bucks might be feeding that 655 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: sleeting field or alfalfa field you know, several miles away. Okay, 656 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: so you know, grabbing the family on the you know 657 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: here June it will be hot and humid and sleetings 658 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: are growing good at alfalfa even in July, as we 659 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: all know, you know, grab the family, pull in the 660 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: back of the pickup, go for a ride and take 661 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: your neighbor's kids, take anybody that wants to go and 662 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: learn your dear. You know. Um, that doesn't mean just 663 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: necessarily bucks. No, you're you know, you're trying to inventory 664 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: your bucks. You're looking at the health of your heard, 665 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: your local herd, because most of the time that local heard, 666 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: if you're managing your property correctly, it's going to be 667 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: on your property at one point in time. The big thing, too, 668 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: is everybody wants to concentrate on your box, coustry, on 669 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: your does you know? And now we'll help you manage 670 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: your property. To what I mean by that is, you know, 671 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,479 Speaker 1: if you have do a and she brings out two fawnds, okay, 672 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: and you're watching them, you watch them and you know 673 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: her she has a ear. You know, every year has 674 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 1: a identification. You just sometimes have to use your imagination. 675 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: You know, bucks are obvious. Those are harder because they 676 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: don't have a rap to identify them. But she comes 677 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: out at a certain place, she has a spot on 678 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: her left me something and she if you can't find it, 679 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: you're not looking hard enough. But if she brings out 680 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: two fonts, like maybe say let's say two weeks straight 681 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: excuse me, um, and then all of a sudden, Joe 682 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: A brings out one font for a week and the 683 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: next thing, you know that doo a does no fonts. 684 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: So let's I tell us, well, we either have she 685 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: she you know she lost those funds? Why does she 686 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: lose those fonds? Do I have a predator problem? Okay? 687 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: If I have a predator problem, I need to start 688 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: trapping or you need to kind of blame yourself. Maybe 689 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: I don't have enough uh fawning cover on my property. 690 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: Maybe I need to improve on that. I'm concentrating too 691 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: much on food plots. Okay, so you wouldn't know any 692 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: of that unless you educate yourself on your local herd. 693 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: Get out there, take a ride, you know, take a 694 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: little quick drive, a half hour drive with the binoculars. 695 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: It's fun for you, it's fun for your family, depends 696 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: on what they're into. It's you know, it's time, you know, 697 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: bring your friends involved. You know. It just it makes 698 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 1: a lot easier and learn your dear and by doing, 699 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, a little things like that, it's only going 700 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: to help you. Now, before we move on to another 701 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: question for Eric, we need to pause briefly for a 702 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors of this podcast, sick of Gear. Now, 703 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,919 Speaker 1: last week on the podcast, we heard about who sick 704 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: of designed their new two thousand fifteen whitetail line for. 705 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 1: So the next thing I'm wondering about is why why 706 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: does sickad do what they do? So here with us 707 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: is Dennis Zuck from sick of Gear to answer that 708 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: very question. Yeah, I mean, that's that's really a great question. 709 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: And I think if you think a lot of companies 710 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: out there, it's you know, you sometimes know what that 711 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: answer is and sometimes you don't. And you know, for us, 712 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: you know the why. You know, we're all hardcore hunters 713 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: in our own right. I mean, you know whether I 714 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: do white tail and another guy does waterfowl. But you know, 715 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: for us, we you know, our time's worth so much, 716 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 1: and you know, we we work really hard to get 717 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: out in the field and spend some time doing the 718 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: things we love, you know. And and for us, you know, 719 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 1: the clothing compartment, the clothing aspect of that is paramount 720 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable and enjoying those moments and having fun 721 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: and being able to make the most out of them. 722 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: You know, our wise about the experience. We do it 723 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: for the experience of our consumers, our customers. Heck, we 724 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: build these things for ourselves. We want the best experiences 725 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: when we're out in the field. You know, our y 726 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: has a lot to do with It's not about to kill. 727 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: It's not about the success particularly, you know that's a 728 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: factor for every hunter, but it's about the entire time. 729 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: I'm going to invest, and invest is the right word 730 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: to use in my time out in the field doing 731 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: the things I love. Sick of gear doing what they 732 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: do for you, for me and for the experience. Now 733 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: back to the show. Yeah, that's definitely one of my 734 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: favorite things in the summer is to do some long 735 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: range surveillance on those soybean fields and things. That's that's 736 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: a blast. Um. Now, you mentioned a bunch of things 737 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: there that I want to dive into deeper. UM. But 738 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: one thing that stood out to me, which I was 739 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: actually thinking about asking about um even before we talked, 740 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: was your perspective on trail cameras, Because, like you mentioned, UM, 741 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: I remember reading I think it was either reading or 742 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: video I saw from you a number of years ago 743 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: about your findings from this study of sorts that you 744 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,879 Speaker 1: did relate to trail cameras, and I think you were 745 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: looking at how maybe the flash or the sounds or 746 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: something like that was possibly spooking dear. UM, correct me 747 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, But can you can you give us 748 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: more details on that? What did you find how our 749 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: trail cameras or how we use trail camera potentially impacting deer. Yeah, 750 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: well I'll tell you what. UM. I'll start at the beginning. 751 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: I got a camera, and you know, I won't see 752 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: necessarily a brand, but I got a camera and the 753 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: mail and I you know, I just you know, I 754 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: think I know everything. I just threw some batteries in 755 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: a camera card and threw it up. And I realized 756 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: two weeks later, when I got back to the house 757 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: that had all these strange icons, it was all I was. 758 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: I accidentally said it on video, and I'm like, but 759 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: you know that was before video was popular. And I'm like, 760 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: what in the world is this? I don't want that 761 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: doesn't want pictures so I can brag to my buddies, 762 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: right So, and then I realized, like, wait a minute, 763 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: I can age this dear better. I can score this 764 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,359 Speaker 1: dear better. I can see the help of the dough, 765 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: I can see every This is like a whole new world. 766 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh. So months went by and 767 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: I realized, wait a minute, some of these deer were acting. 768 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: When I called negative, there was a negative response and 769 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: um um, and it kept on going. I kind of 770 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: just brushed it off. I kept on going and going. 771 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: It's like, wait a minute. I needed this this call for, 772 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, a research project. And I dedicated thirteen months 773 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: to this project and um and I did it all 774 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: over the state of Ohio, not just my backyard. Um, 775 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: because you know, I wanted just to get a sample 776 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: and what I what what came from that to quick 777 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: and dirty version of this is that there was a 778 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: dough or certain response and then there was a buck response. 779 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,439 Speaker 1: Not a doe didn't act like a buck. A buck 780 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,720 Speaker 1: didn't act like a dough when they had a negative 781 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: response to the camera. It was absolutely amazing what we 782 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: learned from this, and what we were doing is we 783 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,360 Speaker 1: would we set up We decided, okay, where do people 784 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: put their cameras. Obviously scrapes betting areas, even though they shouldn't, 785 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,439 Speaker 1: but sometimes betting areas transition zones from betting to um 786 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 1: feeding areas. And we set the cameras onto deer run 787 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: off the deer run um. We had them at bait stations, 788 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: we had them in food plots, okay, and every certain certain, 789 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: certain situation had a different response. It's now food plots. 790 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: We didn't really have a negative response. Why and we 791 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: want you it was obvious because most of the cameras 792 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: are usually left there. They're they're put there, I don't 793 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: for a longer period of time. So the deer kind 794 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: of get alclimated to the camera. Same thing as a 795 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: feeding station, a feeder or whatever the deer used to 796 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: seeing that. So we didn't have a lot of negative 797 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: responses to those, but scrapes. I don't care if you 798 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: believe what I say or not, but please walk away 799 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,320 Speaker 1: with this. Do not put your camera on a scrape, 800 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: per se. Put it on the opposite side of the 801 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: or on the back side of the deer, all right, 802 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: Because that was the number one negative response that we 803 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 1: had is that it was funny. If you watched the video. 804 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: I had a deer come in and it was just 805 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: all the time. Once they saw the camera, they would 806 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: investigate it. Now they'll walk by it, look at it. 807 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 1: I had some deer walk up, you know, a whole 808 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: bunch of times, and finally they realized, wait a minute, 809 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: what is that thing? They would walk up and investigate it. 810 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: And the bucks would absolutely like you slapped them on 811 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: the butt with a two line four. It was amazing. 812 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: And I had one buck that was coming in for 813 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 1: days and all of a sudden he realized that the 814 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: camera was there, and he he never came back to 815 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: That's great. Ever, I mean for the rest of the year, 816 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: he never did. It could have been another reason, absolutely, 817 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 1: but the obvious reason is that the camera spooked that 818 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: that animal and Um. Like I said, I'm giving a 819 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 1: quick and dirty version of it. But what we did 820 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 1: too is that which is important is that we set 821 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 1: the cameras out for two weeks. The first week's data 822 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: we threw out for obvious reasons because of sense and 823 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: et cetera. Um. Then we only used the second week's data. 824 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: And it's amazing what we learned. I mean, we had 825 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,720 Speaker 1: gear responding where we had we parked a four wheeler. 826 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: We had those spooking because the video we could see 827 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,280 Speaker 1: that walking up to where the four olers parked and 828 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,360 Speaker 1: and getting nervous and walking away and we're trying to 829 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 1: do what they're capable of smelling where a four whiler 830 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: was two weeks ago. You know, it was amazing. We 831 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: have so much that information. But what we did we 832 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: try to, Okay, what do we do with this information? 833 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: You know, we have to come up with like a 834 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: purpose here. So we asked we do a lot of seminars, 835 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 1: and we asked everybody, hey, what do you think spooks dear? 836 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,439 Speaker 1: And number one reason would be flashed second was sent 837 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,919 Speaker 1: forward the camera makes us sound. So what we did 838 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: is we put a camera about ten feet up in 839 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: the air and uh, pointed down on a deer run. 840 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,800 Speaker 1: Two dear runs that come together. We had a shell 841 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: of a camera. The camera was just there. There was 842 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: no innards, there was no batteries, there was nothing. Okay, 843 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: the camera was out for two weeks. Now eight yards down. 844 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: We had another two runs to come together, okay, and 845 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: we just had the camera up at ten feet up. Okay, 846 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: So we had one camera ten feet up. Another site 847 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,959 Speaker 1: which is eighty yards away had a camera ton feed 848 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: up with a shell of a camera. Now with the 849 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: where the shell of the camera was, that run was 850 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: extremely productive. The other run wasn't very active by the 851 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: time our thing was done in two weeks. But georgy 852 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: of the deer were using the camera that's just up. 853 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: We had deer walking up to that camera and turning 854 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: inside out and it was just a shell of a camera. 855 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: So they were reacting negatively to that just because they're 856 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,280 Speaker 1: just because they're seeing it and thinking it was something. 857 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 1: Yes now, and that's the thing. Not every year did this. 858 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: I have deer and I'm sure you do too the 859 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: box that absolutely love the camera, you know, like hey 860 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: look at me. You know, not every beer responded to this. 861 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: There's just less than half, just less than half. But 862 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: that just less and half is very crucial. If you're 863 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: you're walking with your camera and you put your camera 864 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: out and then you know you want you you go 865 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,359 Speaker 1: to your camera and you see this buck you just 866 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: took pictures of it, and he's looking right into the camera, 867 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: and then you go you go hunt that deer that 868 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 1: weekend and you don't see it. Well, chances are if 869 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: that deer is looking into the camera, he saw that camera. 870 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: So that might be one of the reasons why you 871 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 1: didn't see him. It's because you spooped him. Yeah, I mean, 872 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's But the thing is is that 873 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: everybody can do this research project. You don't know what 874 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 1: your dear are acting if you don't go out there 875 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: and put your camera on video and try it yourself. 876 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: It's so simple you can do. Everybody can do this, 877 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: see how your deer reacted. And I had the live people. 878 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: I did a seminar afterwards to you know, show everybody 879 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: the world that what I come up with. And I 880 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,919 Speaker 1: had people go home and they only heard I put 881 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: the camera up high. Oh I need to put the 882 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: camera up high. That was it. And I had people 883 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: call me and just scream at me like you're an idiot, 884 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: blah bla blah, And I was like, well, what happened? Well, 885 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: I had my camera at the deer feeder, I had 886 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,360 Speaker 1: it up high, and I put it down below or no, 887 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,880 Speaker 1: I had the camera at you know, normal level, and 888 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: after I heard your seminar, I put it up about 889 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: six ft high, and all my dear stooped and I said, well, 890 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: of course they did. If you walk into your house 891 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 1: and it's usually empty, okay, and then one day you 892 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: walk in there's a box sitting there. Aren't you gonna 893 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 1: notice it? You know? It's there's a box in the 894 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,720 Speaker 1: middle of the floor. In in his situation, the boxes 895 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: in the middle of the floor three sixty four days. 896 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,839 Speaker 1: You come in there one day, he comes into walking 897 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 1: them one day and it's over in the corner. Aren't 898 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: you going to notice that? You know? So it's one 899 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: of those things. But you don't know. Not every dear 900 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: did it. Every property is different, dear personalities, So you 901 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,400 Speaker 1: need to try it yourself before you go, oh, I 902 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 1: need to do all this, you know. So in the 903 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: final sorry, no, the final thing was is we noticed 904 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 1: if we put the camera up about high, level about 905 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: six ft up. Okay, then we angled it down a 906 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 1: little bit. The negative response dropped dramatically. I mean it 907 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:22,240 Speaker 1: dropped like so just by doing that. So the big 908 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,080 Speaker 1: three takeaways maybe would be with number one, test this 909 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: out yourself with video and see how you're de reacting. 910 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,839 Speaker 1: Number two, make sure you don't put a camera right 911 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: on a scrape. And number three, when you are using cameras, 912 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,319 Speaker 1: try to place them higher angled down, which seems like 913 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,840 Speaker 1: it helps a little bit. Yeah, if you notice that 914 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 1: your deer responded negatively, try putting the camera up about 915 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: six ft up and angled down a little bit. Okay, 916 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: I can put a little stick behind it and like 917 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,879 Speaker 1: the scrape. Don't put it on the scrape. Three, put 918 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: it on the other side. You know, I'm telling you that. 919 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,399 Speaker 1: I mean that was the big thing. Is a lot 920 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: of deer, I mean they scoop. Mean they just do 921 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,279 Speaker 1: not like it once if they once they found it, 922 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: they did not like it. That's good stuff to know. 923 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,080 Speaker 1: I mean, putting cameras on scrapes is so popular, and 924 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 1: I imagine a lot of people are are spook and 925 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,239 Speaker 1: deer because of that. So I I'll definitely be readjusting 926 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of what what I do given this reminder, UM, 927 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: because I do like putting cameras on scrapes, but if 928 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 1: there's a way to get it not quite you know, 929 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: still taking photos of the scrape, but not quite there 930 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 1: and you know eye level right in from the deer. 931 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,880 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense that that would bother them. So, UM, 932 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: that's great. So taking another step back now to something 933 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 1: else you mentioned food plots. Um Again, I know in 934 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: many cases, you know, as we talked about, what we're 935 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,840 Speaker 1: doing from a habitat project standpoint is always going to 936 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,640 Speaker 1: be determined based on my unique circumstances on the property 937 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,879 Speaker 1: and what's what what the needs are. Um. But let's 938 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: kind of work with some generalities here. UM. For the 939 00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,360 Speaker 1: avertoner who's got an average property, UM, who wants to 940 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 1: try to plant something in late summer, you know, a 941 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 1: late summer food plot that's going to be something they 942 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,279 Speaker 1: can use during the season to either tractortis property or 943 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: to hunt. Do you have a few favorite types of 944 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,279 Speaker 1: food plots for that kind of situation that are relatively 945 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: attainable for the average manager who maybe doesn't have millions 946 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,880 Speaker 1: of dollars of equipment and things like that. Yeah, and 947 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 1: that that drops it down a lot um. You know, 948 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,239 Speaker 1: like I said earlier, there's no such thing as a 949 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:32,560 Speaker 1: magic being. There are some that's awful close alfalfa, soy bean, um, alfalfa. 950 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,840 Speaker 1: You've got to know what you're doing to grow offal stuff, 951 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 1: you know, because most of you gotta think most of 952 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: the times the people that you know where they buy 953 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: property because sometimes not the best soil, not the best topography, 954 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 1: and they want to put this luscious clover field in 955 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,280 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. You know, sometimes not doing planning 956 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 1: of food plot is actually better. Um, but let's just 957 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,800 Speaker 1: stick with the food plots first. You know. It's just 958 00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: what you're capable of planting is what you should be playing, 959 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 1: and how much money you have to put forth. And 960 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: it's frustrating as a consultant that you know you have 961 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,239 Speaker 1: you go to Fabella's or Game Amount or take a 962 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 1: place and you buy you see this this advertising on 963 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,239 Speaker 1: a bag as seed. It's just as you know, I 964 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 1: call it dear porn on it. You know it says 965 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,279 Speaker 1: guarantee thirty six percent protein. That that well, no that's 966 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 1: not that's not true because you can take that it 967 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,360 Speaker 1: might have the capability of it, but you might not 968 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 1: have the capability of it because you need to do 969 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 1: a soil sample, you need to put the line or fertilizer, 970 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: and that stuff doesn't work overnight. So people buy this seed, 971 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,320 Speaker 1: they go and planet and expect, you know, their coreyakor 972 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,359 Speaker 1: food plot. They see a dough in it. They think 973 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,040 Speaker 1: they all, no production is high and this buck is 974 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: growing up one eighty rat because they neat out of 975 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,960 Speaker 1: this food plot. Well, it might have the capability of 976 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,200 Speaker 1: being you know, close to protein, but if you didn't 977 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,000 Speaker 1: do the work, it might being in the low twenties 978 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 1: and it might not be pattable. It might not taste 979 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 1: good to them because of the acidity of the soil, 980 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,600 Speaker 1: et cetera. So you have to put just because it's 981 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 1: medium red clover or durannic clover doesn't mean they're going 982 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,400 Speaker 1: to eat it if it doesn't taste good, you know, 983 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: So you've got to put the work in the soil. 984 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,120 Speaker 1: Soil grows deer. That's your first job as a as 985 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,560 Speaker 1: a deer manager. Just get that soil to where it 986 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: needs to be so and don't be ashamed that, Hey, 987 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 1: I'm only gonna plant winter wheat and buckwheat because it's 988 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 1: easy to grow. I don't have a lot of good equipment. 989 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's not a deer or or turkey in 990 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,120 Speaker 1: this this country. I don't think that doesn't eat buckwheat. 991 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's very inexpensive if you look at the 992 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 1: seed wrong long enough though, Germany in front of you. 993 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's, it's, it's you know, I 994 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,920 Speaker 1: call it the floor mans. You know gold, it's just um, 995 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,880 Speaker 1: you know, just simple, keep it too simple until you 996 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 1: get that soil, you know, to where it needs to 997 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: be before you buy the expensive speed. And don't be 998 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,200 Speaker 1: shy or well buddies are playing this and it was gorgeous. No, 999 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,279 Speaker 1: I have to do that. No, don't keep up with 1000 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: a joint Jones is when you do dear management, you know, 1001 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,399 Speaker 1: you gotta feel your way through it. Don't worry about 1002 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,120 Speaker 1: what the other guys doing. But the biggest thing, mark 1003 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,960 Speaker 1: is that some of my best properties that I managed 1004 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: don't have one food plot on it. And we and 1005 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,040 Speaker 1: we produce you know, one eighties to two animals with 1006 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,200 Speaker 1: no fruit plot. We just managed to native vegetation. You know, 1007 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,240 Speaker 1: an old field type environment can produce over two thousand 1008 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: pounds of food per acre and a highly desired seventy 1009 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,240 Speaker 1: of a deer's diet during the growing seasons is forbs 1010 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,440 Speaker 1: and brows, poke weed, that pink stock with the purple berries. 1011 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,400 Speaker 1: Protein roughly and it's it's highly desired ragweed eighteen percent protein, 1012 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,600 Speaker 1: golden rocks sixteen percent protein, beggars like eight percent protein. 1013 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,360 Speaker 1: Your sum max are twenty in the twenties, and I 1014 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,240 Speaker 1: can go on to none. And the best part about 1015 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,800 Speaker 1: it is that it didn't cost you a diet. It 1016 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,279 Speaker 1: didn't cost you any money. Once every five years you 1017 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,320 Speaker 1: go out there and you let a match to it. 1018 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,640 Speaker 1: If you can burn in your state, or you brush 1019 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,800 Speaker 1: hog and disk just keep promotes. More broad las, you 1020 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,360 Speaker 1: gotta remember, all of your needs is protein that reaches 1021 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 1: often un potential. That's it. So managing your native vegetation. 1022 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't cost money, and it's other diet during a 1023 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,319 Speaker 1: growing season. That doesn't mean you hunt a poke weed 1024 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,960 Speaker 1: patch in October because it's not gonna be productive. If 1025 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,000 Speaker 1: you want to play a small food pot ups, let's 1026 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,319 Speaker 1: just pick one turnips. That's fine, but I'm not tell 1027 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,080 Speaker 1: you once and especially depending on where you live in 1028 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,480 Speaker 1: this country, and I keep I don't want to keep 1029 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,120 Speaker 1: using Ohio, but in this case I will. You know, 1030 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,000 Speaker 1: urban his eyes. You know you're running out of places 1031 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,279 Speaker 1: to hunt, so you're cutting, You're concentrating hunters. It's cover 1032 00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 1: that grows dear, the cover that equals food. You know, 1033 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,960 Speaker 1: when the deer, there's so much research out there is 1034 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,000 Speaker 1: three year old box will leave the best food source 1035 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,680 Speaker 1: for quality cover. When pressured. Your place has to be that. 1036 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,080 Speaker 1: Make your place a grocery store with food plots. Because 1037 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,920 Speaker 1: everybody loves to play farmer. I know I do, but 1038 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,319 Speaker 1: don't put all your all your marbles into food. Plus 1039 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,880 Speaker 1: managing native vegetation. We were producing big gear long before 1040 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,320 Speaker 1: white tillents to clover. Who will pick a seed company? 1041 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,080 Speaker 1: You know it's native vegetation. I always watched a bunch 1042 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,840 Speaker 1: of deer the other night. They spent more time eating 1043 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,880 Speaker 1: the edge than they did in al falt flat. They 1044 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,359 Speaker 1: spent more in EO one. That's great because that's there, 1045 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,959 Speaker 1: that's protein. It didn't cost no money, they s no money, 1046 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 1: and it's it gets all the protein and it also 1047 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,920 Speaker 1: gets all the mineral. There's mineral contents of those plants 1048 00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,640 Speaker 1: depending on equality, especially if you don't eat, your state 1049 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mineral. That's one way to get around that is 1050 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,479 Speaker 1: manage your native vegetation. So on the native vegetation piece, 1051 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 1: you mentioned that we can burn disc or mo to 1052 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: improve that. Can you elaborate a little bit on that 1053 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,360 Speaker 1: so we can you know, for people that have maybe 1054 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm already thinking my head, you know, does this native 1055 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: vegetation that I can work with? Is that just my couple? 1056 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,520 Speaker 1: You know open fields that are growing up in weeds? 1057 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:27,960 Speaker 1: Is that all I have to work with? Do you 1058 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,960 Speaker 1: recommend sorry, I was just gonna sit work or is 1059 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,479 Speaker 1: they're creating, you know, additional openings like that to create 1060 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,000 Speaker 1: new native vegetation. Could you just tell us a little 1061 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,520 Speaker 1: more about specifically how someone could do that. Yeah, if 1062 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,840 Speaker 1: your property is all wooded, you know, you're going to 1063 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 1: have to decide, okay, what you know, how am I 1064 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,480 Speaker 1: going to make the property attracted to my to go 1065 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,000 Speaker 1: along with my paint my checkbook? Okay? But if your 1066 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,400 Speaker 1: property is diverse fifty the open ground or you know, 1067 00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,120 Speaker 1: as big agg field that you bought, you know, but 1068 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: it has a little bit of wood lots, don't just 1069 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 1: go in there and start planning food plots everywhere. That's 1070 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,000 Speaker 1: my advice. You know, Like I said, knowing what I 1071 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,360 Speaker 1: know with native vegetation, I'm going to concentrate on that, okay, 1072 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 1: because I know what it does for white tailed deer. 1073 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:20,560 Speaker 1: So creating, it's diversifying your property the more diverse. Okay. 1074 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,600 Speaker 1: They use it for betting. When you when you manage 1075 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,680 Speaker 1: a piece of property, you gotta think three D sixty 1076 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,080 Speaker 1: five days. Okay, I need to offer as much as 1077 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,760 Speaker 1: I possibly can for betting. And also food Okay, now 1078 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,400 Speaker 1: there's no food value come fall necessarily not. I mean 1079 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,920 Speaker 1: there's food, but it's not like they're getting the protein 1080 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,480 Speaker 1: and they switched to carves. That's where you know, hard 1081 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,040 Speaker 1: mass or soft mass comes in or your food plots. 1082 00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,480 Speaker 1: But it's if you have an old field. You know, 1083 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,040 Speaker 1: if you don't know what that is, if you have allergies, 1084 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,160 Speaker 1: go walk through a piece of you know, a little 1085 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 1: section of then you start sneezing. That's that's an old field, 1086 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, because it's ragley, gold rod, you know, all 1087 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 1: this stuff that makes people easy. But it's yeah, it's 1088 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,640 Speaker 1: it's that, you know, and that is some phenomenal stuff 1089 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 1: that is nothing but a grocery store, and people after 1090 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,720 Speaker 1: they feel compelled to get on a tractor. I start brushhogging. 1091 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,479 Speaker 1: You know I need because it's aesthetics. But best deer 1092 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,120 Speaker 1: habitat is usually the non esthetically pleasing stuff. Okay, so 1093 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,400 Speaker 1: get off your mower, you know, go brush hogs something else. 1094 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,040 Speaker 1: But it's just in managing that you can micro manage that. 1095 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,520 Speaker 1: You know. Let's say you had an acre of an 1096 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 1: old field, and just like everything else in you know, 1097 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,120 Speaker 1: in nature, when it's young, it has the highest protein. 1098 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,160 Speaker 1: As it grows older, it loses protein. Loses protein. Well, 1099 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,000 Speaker 1: that usually goes along with the time of year. But 1100 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking, you know, let's say July August. 1101 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,919 Speaker 1: You know, um, I still have a lot of dose. 1102 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,880 Speaker 1: You have some dough, I have a good fawn crop 1103 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,240 Speaker 1: and that milk production. Sometimes I'll go in there and 1104 00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 1: that acre old field, all mow it. Okay, it's action. 1105 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Wait two weeks and and break the break to that 1106 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,320 Speaker 1: acre in like thirds. So I mowed the first section. 1107 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Two weeks later, I'll go in and mow another section, 1108 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 1: but disc the first section if you follow me, and 1109 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:21,360 Speaker 1: that promotes broad leaves, the ragweed eighteen percent protein and 1110 01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,480 Speaker 1: other stuff and you don't disc it like you disk 1111 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,560 Speaker 1: a food plot. You're not planning anything. You just need 1112 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 1: to rough up the soil just enough to get broad 1113 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,800 Speaker 1: leaves to come up. They hate it, they respond to it, 1114 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,360 Speaker 1: and then you know, then you move to the next section, 1115 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,240 Speaker 1: and then you disc the middle section, and then you disk, 1116 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of months or weeks down the road, 1117 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,960 Speaker 1: you disc lightly disc the other section. Okay, so you're 1118 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,320 Speaker 1: just doing a rotation. You don't have to do that. 1119 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes you just you know, light a fire, um once 1120 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,600 Speaker 1: every five years, um, you know, but never just mow 1121 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:03,400 Speaker 1: because mowing of old field environment just produces grasses. We 1122 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:09,000 Speaker 1: don't want grasses. We want broad we want broad leaves, Okay, broadweeds, 1123 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:14,640 Speaker 1: beneficial wheats, the ones that I mentioned. So that's great stuff. 1124 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,720 Speaker 1: That's I think, that's you know, as you mentioned, that's 1125 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,120 Speaker 1: something that's so overlooked. The sexy thing is food plots. 1126 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,680 Speaker 1: And no one ever really wants to pay attention to 1127 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,720 Speaker 1: just the reeds that are grown around there. But that, 1128 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,120 Speaker 1: like you said, it's a cost effective, easy way to 1129 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,640 Speaker 1: get some great the mental thing like I go in there, 1130 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,360 Speaker 1: it's like I'd love to put a food plot in here. 1131 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,480 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at it, just nothing but on one 1132 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,440 Speaker 1: acre grocery store and I'm like, no, no, I highly 1133 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,760 Speaker 1: recommend we leave this. It just needs it just needs tweaked. Well, 1134 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,640 Speaker 1: I want to play, but now you're on a fixed income. Okay, 1135 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,400 Speaker 1: you've got five kids. We need to just concentrate this 1136 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,960 Speaker 1: is it's hard for people. They want to get on 1137 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,480 Speaker 1: a tractor and spend money. Don't spend money that is 1138 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,560 Speaker 1: more beneficial to you. Now. Week doesn't mean we can't 1139 01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,880 Speaker 1: plan a little parassica through plot, a little one of 1140 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,439 Speaker 1: an acre, buy your tree stand, you know, a harvest plot, 1141 01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,280 Speaker 1: but don't turn it all into clover. Now, clover is 1142 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,960 Speaker 1: a four. Okay, that's part of the senti percent of 1143 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,640 Speaker 1: their diet forbs and brows. But look what it takes 1144 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:21,320 Speaker 1: for example, to crow to get tech clovered, we have 1145 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,640 Speaker 1: to do soil test. That's dirty. Something. Dollars depend on 1146 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,800 Speaker 1: where you go. Sometimes it's cheaper. Then you've got a 1147 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 1: linear for lizer. That's more money. And then we gotta 1148 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,800 Speaker 1: we gotta planet. That's money. And then we got a 1149 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,360 Speaker 1: herb aside it that's more money, and then we gotta 1150 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,880 Speaker 1: mow it. Then we gotta pray for rain, pray for 1151 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,080 Speaker 1: its stop raining all for twenty percent protein when we 1152 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,360 Speaker 1: could have left that old field environment that was ranging 1153 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,240 Speaker 1: from sixteen to protein and then cost us any money. 1154 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,280 Speaker 1: And if provides cover, if provides fawning counter, if you 1155 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,400 Speaker 1: violent everything, like I said over two, I can produce 1156 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:03,520 Speaker 1: more food per acre, you know, in a normal stance. Okay, instance, 1157 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,560 Speaker 1: and some guy trying to do a food plot, not 1158 01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 1: a farmer, I'm not talking about a farmer, talking about 1159 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,200 Speaker 1: a deer manager. I can. I can micromanage in one 1160 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,320 Speaker 1: acre food you know thing and produce more than tons 1161 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,200 Speaker 1: of food pro acre. You've definitely got me convinced to 1162 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,000 Speaker 1: pay some more attention to my to my natural vegetation, 1163 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,880 Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah. And they and you need to 1164 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,760 Speaker 1: open your eyes when you walk into that old field. 1165 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,920 Speaker 1: Most of the times that stuff doesn't jump out at you. 1166 01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,760 Speaker 1: You know, a deer eat four to six pounds of 1167 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,360 Speaker 1: food per you know, per day. They don't walk up 1168 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,920 Speaker 1: to a poke weed plant and just we you know, 1169 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,360 Speaker 1: eat it islands of the stock. You know, No, they 1170 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,520 Speaker 1: don't do that. Their browsers nip nip, nip, nip nip. 1171 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,040 Speaker 1: And when you're walking and you start opening your world 1172 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,240 Speaker 1: your eyes. You'll realize, like, wow, that multi floor rose 1173 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,440 Speaker 1: bushes browsed to death, all that rag, the rag weeps 1174 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,040 Speaker 1: and some most of the time you'd walk right over that. Yeah. Yeah, 1175 01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,080 Speaker 1: it's opening up a whole new world to you. A 1176 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,000 Speaker 1: lot of us, just like you said, we don't even 1177 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,080 Speaker 1: look at that stuff. We don't even know what the are. Yeah, 1178 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,400 Speaker 1: you want to constrate on and and that's that's fine. 1179 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,280 Speaker 1: There's like I said, it's no never a right or 1180 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,120 Speaker 1: wrong answers what you want to do. But like I said, 1181 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,120 Speaker 1: for diversity, property is the more attractive it's going to be, 1182 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, And that's that's the number one goal. There's 1183 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,640 Speaker 1: three sixty five days. You've got to produce all that 1184 01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,840 Speaker 1: stuff for those deer to be on that property, give 1185 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,360 Speaker 1: them reason to be there. Yeah. Now, something you mentioned 1186 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:21,880 Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, a little more on a few 1187 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,320 Speaker 1: minutes actually was the fact that in many airs now 1188 01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,520 Speaker 1: cover is becoming one of the more important factors to 1189 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,200 Speaker 1: hold big deer because there's a lack of quality cover 1190 01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,920 Speaker 1: in lafe places. Um, is there anything that people can do? Now? 1191 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's the middle of summer, three or 1192 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,480 Speaker 1: four months till deer season. Is there anything someone can 1193 01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,000 Speaker 1: do now to still produce or improve quality cover on 1194 01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,640 Speaker 1: a property? Yeah, you can always see change. Stall is 1195 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,720 Speaker 1: the number one gear manager's tool in my opinion. Somebody 1196 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,320 Speaker 1: else might have a different but my opinion, chainsaw is 1197 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,560 Speaker 1: the number one dear manager's tool. What you're capable of 1198 01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:02,160 Speaker 1: with that peace equipment is phenomenal. You know, if under 1199 01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,960 Speaker 1: the right circumstances, I can produce you know, close to 1200 01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,560 Speaker 1: fift pounds of food per acre by using the chainsaw. 1201 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,600 Speaker 1: But the big thing, like I mentioned earlier, it's cover. 1202 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,560 Speaker 1: The equals food. All right, So when you when you 1203 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,840 Speaker 1: manage a wood lot, what you're you're not managing necessarily 1204 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:23,000 Speaker 1: the trees for saying, you're managing sun the limiting factors 1205 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,120 Speaker 1: sun on that forest floor and doing some wildlife I 1206 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,760 Speaker 1: call them wildlife openings, doing some chains salt work, opening 1207 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,800 Speaker 1: up the canopy to get that sunlight hitting the forest floor, 1208 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 1: which in turn is creating brows and cover. Cover that 1209 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:41,920 Speaker 1: equals food. Okay, Now there's many things. There's hinge cutting, 1210 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,520 Speaker 1: which is you know, that's another subject for another day. 1211 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,520 Speaker 1: I feel about that, but it's you know, it's just 1212 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,560 Speaker 1: my goal for you as a client. Is get the 1213 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,600 Speaker 1: sunlight on the forest floor. Okay, and then you can 1214 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 1: manipulate those betting areas. Okay, I'm not I'm a firm 1215 01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,800 Speaker 1: believer and I and I do not need to offend 1216 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 1: anybody whatsoever. Is the dear bed philosophy is just I 1217 01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,680 Speaker 1: can't stomach. And I'm sorry to make anybody mad by 1218 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,800 Speaker 1: saying that out loud. It's just it's I just can't 1219 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,120 Speaker 1: do that. But I can get a deer to bed 1220 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,000 Speaker 1: in a certain area Okay, not as specific deer buck though, 1221 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,320 Speaker 1: just deer bedding in an area. And um, you know 1222 01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,880 Speaker 1: you can do anybody can with the chainsaw. It's just 1223 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,400 Speaker 1: it's cutting, you know, getting the sunlight on the foest floor. 1224 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,640 Speaker 1: But the thing about it is that is a deer 1225 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:34,360 Speaker 1: management tool. Now, take your hunting philosophy and mess the 1226 01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,120 Speaker 1: both together. Okay, I can create a funnel with a 1227 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,840 Speaker 1: wildlife opening too much, restand. Take your hunting knowledge of 1228 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,560 Speaker 1: how a white tail works, and then take your newly 1229 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,800 Speaker 1: found deer management knowledge and put the two together. Okay, 1230 01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,760 Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's it's easy. It's easy. Put 1231 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,000 Speaker 1: the two together. Deer like funnels, they're like pinch points 1232 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,760 Speaker 1: at a deer hunting knowledge. Okay, well, well it's just 1233 01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,920 Speaker 1: a big open state park. We'll get your chainsaw lot 1234 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,680 Speaker 1: and create it. Create it. Yeah, you know. So it's 1235 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,920 Speaker 1: meshing the boats of them together. I love it. I 1236 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,160 Speaker 1: think that makes all the sense in the world. Now 1237 01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,560 Speaker 1: you've the three main things we've talked about so far 1238 01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,760 Speaker 1: in regards to habitat projects would be you know, smart 1239 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:21,080 Speaker 1: food plots, native vegetation, improving that managing it, or you know, 1240 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,439 Speaker 1: using a chainsaw to improve cover. Um, you know, whether 1241 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,080 Speaker 1: it be through like you mentioned, wildlife openings or hinge 1242 01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,200 Speaker 1: cuts or whatever someone might want to do using that 1243 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,640 Speaker 1: to create covers. So those are three three tools or 1244 01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,959 Speaker 1: processes that someone could go through this summer to work 1245 01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,440 Speaker 1: on their properties and improve it. If you had to 1246 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,360 Speaker 1: choose just one of those, you can only choose one. 1247 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,120 Speaker 1: What would be the one you would do that you 1248 01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,440 Speaker 1: would say could make the biggest impact on hunting success 1249 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:53,640 Speaker 1: in year one? Put on the spot, give me the 1250 01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,680 Speaker 1: that's that wasn't paying attention to give it to me again. 1251 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,560 Speaker 1: So you could either do a food project, you could 1252 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,840 Speaker 1: do a native vegetation improvement project, or you could do 1253 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,400 Speaker 1: cover improvement projects with with the chainsaw. One of those 1254 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,040 Speaker 1: three focus areas for this summer, what would be the 1255 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,519 Speaker 1: most effective. Well, yeah, I'll tell you what. That's so 1256 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,800 Speaker 1: difficult because it depends on the property. Okay, But the 1257 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,000 Speaker 1: thing is is I'll do my best to answer this 1258 01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,280 Speaker 1: and one thing to go back, I never really didn't 1259 01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,800 Speaker 1: answer your question about is this a good time of year? 1260 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,040 Speaker 1: And you know, usually you kind of do the chain 1261 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,439 Speaker 1: sell work during dormant season. Okay, not that you can't 1262 01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,120 Speaker 1: go out there and start cutting now, you know, it's 1263 01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,679 Speaker 1: just if you want to fight the bugs and snakes 1264 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,479 Speaker 1: and all that other stuff that have at it. But 1265 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,960 Speaker 1: usually it's during it's done during the wintertime. But I 1266 01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:47,280 Speaker 1: am a big native vegetation, and native vegetation goes along 1267 01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:52,000 Speaker 1: with not necessarily just old field but also change sell work. Okay. 1268 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,320 Speaker 1: So but the thing is that's not necessarily answer your 1269 01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,839 Speaker 1: question either, because it takes patience, because you know, producing, 1270 01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,519 Speaker 1: you know, cutting a couple of three is down in 1271 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,879 Speaker 1: January or February. If you don't really see the results 1272 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,160 Speaker 1: of that cover you know, explosion if you will, you 1273 01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:11,720 Speaker 1: don't see that until the following year. Okay. So I'm 1274 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,680 Speaker 1: a big cover guy. Cover the equals food and then 1275 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, I do like planning food plots, so I'll 1276 01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:21,560 Speaker 1: do some manipulation on you know, strategically planning some you 1277 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,240 Speaker 1: know braxicus or when are we or whatever I get 1278 01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,960 Speaker 1: my hands on for a hunting setup, Okay, I let 1279 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,240 Speaker 1: nature produce the deer. I don't want to spend money 1280 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,800 Speaker 1: on clover. I don't and that's just me. That's just me, though. 1281 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,600 Speaker 1: I just let nature. I know the benefit of it, 1282 01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:42,120 Speaker 1: I know what it can do. Um, the results are phenomenal. 1283 01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,120 Speaker 1: I just I'm a big native vegetation guy. If you 1284 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:49,519 Speaker 1: manage that the deer will be attractive, the native vegetation, um, 1285 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, goes along with soft and hard mass as well. 1286 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't put apples and chest nut trees that planted 1287 01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,040 Speaker 1: into the food plot category. I put that in native vegetation. 1288 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,200 Speaker 1: You know, to one time planning deal normally. Okay, So 1289 01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,519 Speaker 1: if you like planning food plots, you know, if you're 1290 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,240 Speaker 1: in Illinois and you're just surrounded by agg planning a 1291 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,280 Speaker 1: hunting food plot is a good idea because most of 1292 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:18,840 Speaker 1: this time, you know, um, that stuff's harvested, there's something there. 1293 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:24,200 Speaker 1: But in those type of areas. You know, cover is crucial, 1294 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, so it always goes back to cover. To me, 1295 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,160 Speaker 1: if you produce quality cover the equals food, You're gonna 1296 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,599 Speaker 1: give him a reason to be there. I'm telling you, yeah, 1297 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,760 Speaker 1: I am. I've certainly been seeing the same thing. The 1298 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,040 Speaker 1: more and more I focused on trying to improve cover 1299 01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,240 Speaker 1: where I have it or I don't have it, or 1300 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,879 Speaker 1: identifying you know, in cases where I can't improve habitat 1301 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,880 Speaker 1: just keying in on properties, I can find a hunting 1302 01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,439 Speaker 1: that do have that cover that really is most often 1303 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,000 Speaker 1: limiting factored for mature body. And that's that's the thing too, 1304 01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,760 Speaker 1: is you know, if you don't own land or you 1305 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,640 Speaker 1: don't have the money to leave, you know that that 1306 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,640 Speaker 1: is the world today unfortunately, you know, um leasing is 1307 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,880 Speaker 1: a big thing, most of them blessed as you know. UM. 1308 01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,960 Speaker 1: This rice breaker goes on up and up and up. 1309 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,400 Speaker 1: And you know, you can don't knock on doors here 1310 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,560 Speaker 1: in the Midwest. I don't know, higo, we can, but 1311 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,760 Speaker 1: it's it's getting, you know, hard to come by. And 1312 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,600 Speaker 1: you asked me earlier about you know, things to do 1313 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,720 Speaker 1: projects this time of years. If you don't have the 1314 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,800 Speaker 1: money to buy a piece of property or the the 1315 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,960 Speaker 1: lease a piece of property. But you know you still 1316 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,360 Speaker 1: want to take your son and daughter gear hunting and 1317 01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,760 Speaker 1: trying to find that place and you know, finding a 1318 01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,679 Speaker 1: place knocking on my door and hey to night hunt. 1319 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,120 Speaker 1: You don't take my son and just don't come to hunt? 1320 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,920 Speaker 1: What do you forget? Not to go off on a 1321 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,200 Speaker 1: team set here? And it's not my intention, but we 1322 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,880 Speaker 1: forget such It is such a limiting commodity anymore, you 1323 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:52,880 Speaker 1: know what's wrong and this time of year going and 1324 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,960 Speaker 1: helping someone bail hey, or taking them walleye that you 1325 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't fish for, you know, just you're not kissing up 1326 01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,720 Speaker 1: to him, but it's showing appreciation for when you come 1327 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,560 Speaker 1: and go, hey, I'll give you an acre. Well, I 1328 01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,479 Speaker 1: got herrick over here. That does a lost for me. 1329 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,559 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna stick with him. We forget that work, 1330 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, and then you might have access when you 1331 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,720 Speaker 1: build that relationship, build a friendship where you can go, hey, 1332 01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,120 Speaker 1: do you mind if I after you're done harvesting a corn, 1333 01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,160 Speaker 1: that I can go in there and broadcast some whenter 1334 01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:28,720 Speaker 1: we inture? Well sure, oh okay, Hey, could you mind 1335 01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,759 Speaker 1: if I take some chainsaws? I won't cut your old email. 1336 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,880 Speaker 1: You're been near stuff, just your junk trees. You can 1337 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,559 Speaker 1: come with sure why because you built a relationship with somebody, 1338 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,800 Speaker 1: they trust you. You know, we forget that part, you know, 1339 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,679 Speaker 1: instead of just saying, well, I lost all my property, 1340 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,800 Speaker 1: Well why did you lose it? Because you didn't do 1341 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:49,840 Speaker 1: your work? You know? So, yeah, I don't know. That's 1342 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,280 Speaker 1: that's key. It's it's really hard to get property to 1343 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,040 Speaker 1: hunt on, so you need to work equally hard to 1344 01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:00,479 Speaker 1: keep that access, is what I was. Quite as hard nowadays, absolutely, 1345 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:05,639 Speaker 1: So I've got two more questions for you that aren't 1346 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,840 Speaker 1: related to habitat so much, a little more hunting side 1347 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:13,360 Speaker 1: of things. So first, based on your experience, you've been 1348 01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,960 Speaker 1: able to work with a lot of different hunters given 1349 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:20,839 Speaker 1: your occupation, what is the number one most common mistake 1350 01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:29,879 Speaker 1: you see deer hunters making today? Pressure pressure, pressure pressure. 1351 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:36,160 Speaker 1: And it is not such a broad answer as well, 1352 01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,120 Speaker 1: you can kind of scope that down a little bit. 1353 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,720 Speaker 1: Is that, Um, if you only have the smaller the 1354 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,680 Speaker 1: piece of property, which most of us have. You know, 1355 01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,560 Speaker 1: we live in the world, real world, Um, you know, 1356 01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,639 Speaker 1: we only have fifty fifty acres, and it's not well 1357 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,880 Speaker 1: managed because of whatever reason, and you're going and hunting, 1358 01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,400 Speaker 1: you know two or three stands. You're pressuring that property, 1359 01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, um. And it's unfortunate because you enjoy the 1360 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,120 Speaker 1: hunt and everything else. So you've got it to work 1361 01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,720 Speaker 1: twice as hard, um, you know. And what I mean 1362 01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,080 Speaker 1: by that is by staying out of it. The best 1363 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,000 Speaker 1: thing that you could do for a piece of property. 1364 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,240 Speaker 1: And I hate to say this out loud, is the 1365 01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:18,800 Speaker 1: off of it. Hunt it when it's right, have places where. 1366 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:21,800 Speaker 1: So here's the thing. What happens is like a lot 1367 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,680 Speaker 1: of my clients don't live on the property that they oh, 1368 01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,599 Speaker 1: all right. So with that being said, when they got 1369 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,320 Speaker 1: into their truck or car at their house, they checked 1370 01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,960 Speaker 1: the wind that was coming out of the southwest. But 1371 01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,080 Speaker 1: they drove an hour or last to the property. It's 1372 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:42,160 Speaker 1: November eight, run is on. All your coworkers are talking 1373 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,240 Speaker 1: about seeing all these deer in the way the work. 1374 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,040 Speaker 1: It's on. It's on. And you get to your property 1375 01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,760 Speaker 1: and the winds coming out of the northeast. What do 1376 01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:54,840 Speaker 1: you do? You know, you just drove an hour. What 1377 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,120 Speaker 1: do you do? Can you go hunt? All it takes 1378 01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,920 Speaker 1: is once In my opinion, the deer make two to 1379 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,599 Speaker 1: three mistakes a year, whether you're in a tree stand 1380 01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:08,479 Speaker 1: or not. Don't give them any more help by hunting 1381 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,760 Speaker 1: their wind wrong. Um. You know, we all walk in 1382 01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,479 Speaker 1: it's funny and I'm guilty of this too. We walk 1383 01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,600 Speaker 1: in quiet, stealth like ninja mode. And then when we 1384 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,320 Speaker 1: get out of the tree stand, I mean I usually 1385 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,120 Speaker 1: held with a cameraman and you know we're dropping stuff 1386 01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,800 Speaker 1: by the tree. You know, you just you forg I 1387 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,400 Speaker 1: mean everyone's guilty of it, you know. And that's one 1388 01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,120 Speaker 1: of the ones that you know, when when is that 1389 01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,640 Speaker 1: older class light sel moving around? You know when it 1390 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,680 Speaker 1: is pressure o, you know, way past dusk, you know, 1391 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,080 Speaker 1: or dropping stuff we're walking trying to get because your 1392 01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,760 Speaker 1: wife was calling you under time. You know your sons, 1393 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,080 Speaker 1: you know your son's acting. Yeah, so you're in a hurry. 1394 01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,840 Speaker 1: You're in a hurry, you know. So it's pressure, it's 1395 01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,240 Speaker 1: it's and that is such a broad thing that covers 1396 01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,120 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. You can, you know, scale it 1397 01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,320 Speaker 1: down as much as you want. And it's that, you know, hunt, 1398 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:04,320 Speaker 1: it's the obvious. Hunt when it's right. Stay off of 1399 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,080 Speaker 1: your food plots. If you only have you know, small 1400 01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:11,320 Speaker 1: anchor's properties. Don't hunt your food plots. I want I 1401 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,000 Speaker 1: try to teach my clients. I want them feeding in 1402 01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,760 Speaker 1: that food plot like it's a supplement of feeder. I 1403 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,320 Speaker 1: don't want them worried about getting an arrow shafter the 1404 01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,360 Speaker 1: tense cavity or getting start out with a bullet. You know, 1405 01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,200 Speaker 1: I want them to go and think that is a 1406 01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,760 Speaker 1: safe area. I only have fifty anchors, so I don't 1407 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,960 Speaker 1: want to scoop the deer off my property or have 1408 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,680 Speaker 1: them use it non currently. You know, I don't have 1409 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,240 Speaker 1: to deer going to the food plot. Now. It doesn't 1410 01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,080 Speaker 1: mean you can't hunt the food plot when it's right 1411 01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,960 Speaker 1: with a buck decoy or whenever. Not only you know 1412 01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,040 Speaker 1: when it's right, but just don't go hunt the food 1413 01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:46,479 Speaker 1: plot because you because you want to see deer. That's 1414 01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,680 Speaker 1: not No, You're not gonna kill an older class white 1415 01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,080 Speaker 1: tail by doing that. Consistently. Get off of your food plots. 1416 01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,040 Speaker 1: You know, hun to deer going toe you if he 1417 01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:58,439 Speaker 1: uses another run, Hey there's another day, God willing, you know, 1418 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,479 Speaker 1: so you're gonna you're gonna have that encounter if you 1419 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,960 Speaker 1: put your time in, but get off your food plot. 1420 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,200 Speaker 1: Treat your food plots like a supplement of feeder. You 1421 01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,040 Speaker 1: don't want them to. You want to stress free environment 1422 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:14,240 Speaker 1: on your property. Okay, stress stress dictates everything. And if 1423 01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,320 Speaker 1: you're hunting your food plots and how many times have 1424 01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,519 Speaker 1: you done this? And I've done it too. You're hunting 1425 01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:22,360 Speaker 1: your food plot for the first time and or second time, 1426 01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,000 Speaker 1: and you've got you know, fifteen gear on the front 1427 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,200 Speaker 1: of you does and year an a half year old box? 1428 01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,839 Speaker 1: No two or three year olds yet? And the nelson 1429 01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,599 Speaker 1: you know, your wife calls a girlfriend or whatever. He's 1430 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,280 Speaker 1: just time to go home. And you're not hunting with somebody. 1431 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:37,720 Speaker 1: How do you how do you get out of this 1432 01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:42,080 Speaker 1: three stand without spooding all those dear because you get down, 1433 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:47,479 Speaker 1: you clear the field. Hey, guess what you did? You 1434 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,000 Speaker 1: know you do that once or twice. That food plot 1435 01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,920 Speaker 1: is not gonna be very productive. But there are instances 1436 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,519 Speaker 1: if you can hunt with somebody, you know, if they're gonna, hey, Mark, 1437 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,439 Speaker 1: you hunt the food plot. Jim, I'm gonna you know, 1438 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,479 Speaker 1: your buddy Jim is going to be hunting the woods. 1439 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,320 Speaker 1: Have Jim get down, Have Jim on the four wheeler 1440 01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,639 Speaker 1: come and get you. Let him. Let the four wheeler 1441 01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,719 Speaker 1: spoot to deer. Let something else stoot to deer insteady 1442 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,519 Speaker 1: you getting out of the stand. That they they'll figure out. 1443 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,320 Speaker 1: You know. Now if you don't hollow somebody then you know, 1444 01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:22,360 Speaker 1: I have clients use kyote calls just something to get 1445 01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:28,639 Speaker 1: to deer, you know, without spooking. You know. That's whatever. So, um, 1446 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:33,240 Speaker 1: that hopefully I answered your question there. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 1447 01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:39,080 Speaker 1: that's terrific advice. And you know, it's that realization right there. 1448 01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,360 Speaker 1: You know that that I've come to over the last 1449 01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,360 Speaker 1: maybe five years or so has been the greatest um 1450 01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,200 Speaker 1: influencer in my improved hunting success the past half decade 1451 01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,120 Speaker 1: has been that whole idea. By looking at pressure and 1452 01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,320 Speaker 1: realizing that it's much better to hunt fewer times but 1453 01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:59,360 Speaker 1: smarter versus many times but doing it the wrong way, 1454 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,280 Speaker 1: putting you know, unnecessary pressure on deer. Um By by 1455 01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,280 Speaker 1: changing that around, it's completely changed, you know, the success 1456 01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,240 Speaker 1: I've been able to have. So that's great advice. And 1457 01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:13,479 Speaker 1: I start usually, yeah, usually the best hunt the first 1458 01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,840 Speaker 1: time in the stand is usually that's that's that's the 1459 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,960 Speaker 1: best for that. It goes down hill, ever, it sure does, unfortunately, 1460 01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:24,479 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. So so one more question then for you, 1461 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,679 Speaker 1: and this is this is off on another tangent sort 1462 01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:31,880 Speaker 1: of but um, you've participated in the Qualitier Management Association's 1463 01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,880 Speaker 1: Age this segment in their magazine UM where they show 1464 01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,160 Speaker 1: a picture of a deer and then you and several 1465 01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,840 Speaker 1: other experts would give your estimation of the age of 1466 01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,920 Speaker 1: that deer based on photos aging the deer on the hoof. 1467 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:52,120 Speaker 1: And that's something that is a desired um, a desired skill. 1468 01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:53,680 Speaker 1: A lot of people want to be able to do that. 1469 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,120 Speaker 1: A lot of people try to do that, but it's 1470 01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,680 Speaker 1: oftentimes a lot more difficult than we really give it 1471 01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,519 Speaker 1: credit for. Accur Really, age and deer on the huff 1472 01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,200 Speaker 1: isn't always easy to do, and it's something we actually 1473 01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,559 Speaker 1: had not talked about it all on the podcast before. 1474 01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:08,960 Speaker 1: So given the fact that you have a lot of 1475 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,880 Speaker 1: experience doing this and you know you've publicly done it, 1476 01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,880 Speaker 1: and you're comfortable publicly putting out there in a magazine, 1477 01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm hoping, can you walk us through. You know you're 1478 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:22,800 Speaker 1: as quickly as you can do this, I guess, I 1479 01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,840 Speaker 1: know it's it's a difficult thing, sum Rise, but can 1480 01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,519 Speaker 1: you walk us through how you age dear? You know 1481 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,800 Speaker 1: those those couple of key age classes or groups that 1482 01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,640 Speaker 1: you will focus. Can you give us an overview of 1483 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,000 Speaker 1: your process and the key things you look for. Yeah, 1484 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,320 Speaker 1: and it's funny no matter how long have you been, 1485 01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,680 Speaker 1: you know you've been doing this. We you know, like 1486 01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,720 Speaker 1: in a magazine. Every time that the editor, you know, 1487 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:47,080 Speaker 1: Lyndsey Thomas would send the pictures to us, he didn't 1488 01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:48,760 Speaker 1: instantly just look at the deer and come up with 1489 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,439 Speaker 1: three and a half. You know, I know I went 1490 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,759 Speaker 1: through each step that I was trying to teach people. 1491 01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,960 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't bypass any of those steps. So 1492 01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:01,439 Speaker 1: those those steps whatever, those are very crucial. Now here's 1493 01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:07,160 Speaker 1: how you answer that question. Is that Okay, from sitting 1494 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,920 Speaker 1: in the blind, the ground level versus twoint whatever how 1495 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,760 Speaker 1: high you sit up in the tree stands going to 1496 01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,040 Speaker 1: be you know, obviously dictate what you think. How to 1497 01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,679 Speaker 1: you know that deer is gonna age, Obviously it's gonna 1498 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,840 Speaker 1: be harder. Okay, But if you're just looking at deer 1499 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:25,280 Speaker 1: camera photos and stuff, um, you know, I like to 1500 01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:29,760 Speaker 1: keep it simple the system. Okay, if like the start 1501 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:35,880 Speaker 1: of fonts, you know, a doe fawn's head will be round, Okay, 1502 01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:41,680 Speaker 1: a button buck will be flat. Okay, so start studying that, 1503 01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:46,799 Speaker 1: start noticing that. Okay, wait, when you see those nubs 1504 01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,960 Speaker 1: that are really profound when you know it's a button buck, 1505 01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:55,360 Speaker 1: concentrate on that characteristic. Get it in your head, Okay 1506 01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,640 Speaker 1: what that looks like. So that way when you with 1507 01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,760 Speaker 1: your with your buddy who's ever a hunted deer, and 1508 01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,680 Speaker 1: you don't want him to shoot a button but you 1509 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,720 Speaker 1: know you can if you're sending in him, you know 1510 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,760 Speaker 1: you can help him. You know, like you know where 1511 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,519 Speaker 1: I'm going with this. You can trying to coach them, 1512 01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, trying to decide whether it is um. But 1513 01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, a curved head versus a flat head at 1514 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,680 Speaker 1: the top of the head, a button buck willbe has 1515 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,479 Speaker 1: a flat head. Now you go up to the year 1516 01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:24,759 Speaker 1: and a half year old box, the next age class up. Okay, 1517 01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,479 Speaker 1: my thing is was its real simple. I took the 1518 01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,479 Speaker 1: antlers off the deer's head, and nine times out of 1519 01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,080 Speaker 1: tend you will have an adult. Though, when you get 1520 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,120 Speaker 1: off this and you do this, anybody sous that you've 1521 01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,519 Speaker 1: done listening to this. You know, find a deer camera 1522 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,040 Speaker 1: photos see a year and a half cover the your 1523 01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,040 Speaker 1: the antlers off you know with your hands and you 1524 01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:50,519 Speaker 1: will see an adult. Don't very simple, in my opinion, 1525 01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,320 Speaker 1: there's no excuse unless you purposely want to shoot that 1526 01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,559 Speaker 1: year and a half. There's no reason why you shoot 1527 01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,720 Speaker 1: a year and a half yearld box unless you want to. 1528 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,840 Speaker 1: And that's fine, but it's there's no way to miss that. 1529 01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,080 Speaker 1: It's simply by looking at a deer camp photo. And 1530 01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,320 Speaker 1: even in the wild ruralized situation, quickly take the just 1531 01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,360 Speaker 1: eracid dancelers off that deer you have, you have an 1532 01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,760 Speaker 1: adult in. It's just you'll blow your mind when you 1533 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,080 Speaker 1: when you realize what you're looking at. And then you 1534 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,560 Speaker 1: get to your twos and three year olds. Now a 1535 01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,560 Speaker 1: two year old, Um, let's go back three year and 1536 01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:26,920 Speaker 1: a half. Now a year and a half year old 1537 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:31,360 Speaker 1: body characteristics. His rump area is bigger than his chest 1538 01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,000 Speaker 1: chest area, okay, because he hasn't grown into it. Then 1539 01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm just laming this up. And when you go to 1540 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,240 Speaker 1: a two year old, his chest is caught up to 1541 01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,920 Speaker 1: his rump area, and it's that the back will be 1542 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,080 Speaker 1: somewhat flat flat, excuse me, the belly will be so 1543 01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:50,600 Speaker 1: much flat and it's just a streamline deer. Now the 1544 01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,400 Speaker 1: rack size, which I don't necessarily like concentrating on it 1545 01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:58,920 Speaker 1: will be thicker mass to be a basic frame. Nothing crazy. 1546 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,720 Speaker 1: So is studying unknown tune a half year old deer 1547 01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,559 Speaker 1: and seeing what that looks like in your area. Now, 1548 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,040 Speaker 1: Indiana's gonna look different than Ohio. How does it look 1549 01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,559 Speaker 1: different than you know, Florida? You know? So it all 1550 01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,799 Speaker 1: depends on your area. Um, so get a known age 1551 01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:19,040 Speaker 1: and concentrate on that. Those characteristics a streamlined white tailed deer. 1552 01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,080 Speaker 1: His chest is the same size as his rump area. 1553 01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,920 Speaker 1: His rack size is a little bit thicker than a 1554 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,320 Speaker 1: year and a half year old deer. All right, So 1555 01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,000 Speaker 1: then you go up to a three year old. Now 1556 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,640 Speaker 1: three year olds have more mass, starting to get a 1557 01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:37,360 Speaker 1: little bit more characteristic to it. It's rack. But the 1558 01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:41,480 Speaker 1: big thing is his chest is starting to get bigger 1559 01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,439 Speaker 1: than his rump. Okay, so that is a big Not 1560 01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,600 Speaker 1: all three and a half have a swede bell or 1561 01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:51,480 Speaker 1: swede back. Some do, some don't. But that's a characteristic 1562 01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,240 Speaker 1: that you can go through. The deli is starting to 1563 01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:58,519 Speaker 1: drop a little bit, Okay, his legs might start look 1564 01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,080 Speaker 1: like they're having the getting a bit shorter, and that 1565 01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,000 Speaker 1: all that means is that the body is growing. Okay, 1566 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,519 Speaker 1: so it makes it appears that it has shorter legs. Okay, 1567 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,720 Speaker 1: so headsize, look at the head size. That was a 1568 01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,559 Speaker 1: big characteristic of me in my weird way. I would 1569 01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,760 Speaker 1: look at the deer's head. At three and a half 1570 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,639 Speaker 1: year old, deer's buck's heads bigger than a two year old, 1571 01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,040 Speaker 1: a two year old figger than a year and a half. Okay, 1572 01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,240 Speaker 1: he's still growing into his skelpel. You know, it's just 1573 01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:28,640 Speaker 1: here is phones if you will so? And then when 1574 01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,519 Speaker 1: you get to a four and a half, it's a 1575 01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,640 Speaker 1: no brainer. You know, the chest is really huge, it 1576 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:38,000 Speaker 1: really muscular, bigger, neck big, you know, somewhat belly drop, 1577 01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,400 Speaker 1: a sway in its back. Uh, it really does have 1578 01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,920 Speaker 1: that short leg appearance, if you will. So. The big 1579 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,600 Speaker 1: thing is is that you know that is such a 1580 01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,760 Speaker 1: quick and dirty version of it, and it's so hard 1581 01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,080 Speaker 1: without spending an hour trying to teach somebody that. The 1582 01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,000 Speaker 1: big thing is is that you know what you have 1583 01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,559 Speaker 1: to decide what you want to shoot. That is how 1584 01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,160 Speaker 1: big a deer is going to be. And when you're 1585 01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,080 Speaker 1: in a tree steer do you have to make when 1586 01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,680 Speaker 1: I I do a slide presentation that do seminars on 1587 01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,760 Speaker 1: how to age deer by camera. You always get to 1588 01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,880 Speaker 1: the three and four year olds, and I always have 1589 01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:16,000 Speaker 1: people going, he's not three? Is not a four? Really 1590 01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:19,439 Speaker 1: depends on what program you are on. Who cares? Would 1591 01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:23,800 Speaker 1: you harvest that animal? That's how old it's gonna be. Okay, 1592 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,000 Speaker 1: if you're get if you if you just want to 1593 01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,800 Speaker 1: shoot three and four year old deer, okay, and you 1594 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,639 Speaker 1: have fifty acres. So if you only have fifty acres, 1595 01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,800 Speaker 1: you need to get the king range mentality, that a 1596 01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,120 Speaker 1: hundred thousand acre mentality out of your brain. So be 1597 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,800 Speaker 1: happy with the three or four year old, okay, So 1598 01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,080 Speaker 1: just get comfortable with year and a half and two. 1599 01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,160 Speaker 1: Just get comfortable with that, know a three and four, 1600 01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,760 Speaker 1: not saying don't know him, but just know that, hey, 1601 01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,840 Speaker 1: it's not a two year old. I'm gonna harvest it, okay. 1602 01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,040 Speaker 1: So concentrate on the age class that you don't want 1603 01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,280 Speaker 1: to shoot. You kind of follow me on that. It's 1604 01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:02,200 Speaker 1: just concentrate on the is and then you can work 1605 01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:06,120 Speaker 1: your way up. Learn what kno to shoot first, and 1606 01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,960 Speaker 1: then go from there. That seems a lot easier. They're 1607 01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,760 Speaker 1: trying to get to learn them all. Yeah, don't try 1608 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:16,040 Speaker 1: to learn them all at first at first unless they don't. 1609 01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,479 Speaker 1: It's just saying at the beginning, learn what not to shoot. 1610 01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,080 Speaker 1: If you just want to shoot three year olds and fours, 1611 01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,200 Speaker 1: just learn what a year and a half and two 1612 01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:28,360 Speaker 1: year old looks like that way that mistakes are not made. Yeah, 1613 01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,920 Speaker 1: so and then when you get comfortable with that, like, hey, 1614 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,519 Speaker 1: I just want to shoot a four year old to 1615 01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,400 Speaker 1: learn what a three year old is? Yeah, you know 1616 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:40,720 Speaker 1: so yeah, and doing reading, doing an age this, you know, 1617 01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,280 Speaker 1: the best thing that they did, and age this has 1618 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,000 Speaker 1: had those years before we age them, so you can 1619 01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,560 Speaker 1: kind of guess, you know, and if you you know, 1620 01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:50,800 Speaker 1: I teach people all the time how to do this. 1621 01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,519 Speaker 1: It's not hard. It just takes patience and time. It 1622 01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,800 Speaker 1: does take time. And you know, going up to people saying, hey, 1623 01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,160 Speaker 1: what you are sitting around looking at a magazine? What 1624 01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:02,920 Speaker 1: how do you think the serious? How do you think 1625 01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,400 Speaker 1: the serious? You know, talk if you're wrong, you're wrong. 1626 01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,200 Speaker 1: That's how we learned by making mistakes. Yeah, that practice 1627 01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,080 Speaker 1: is so important. And if if anyone listening, if you're 1628 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:15,280 Speaker 1: not a member of the Quality Deer Management Association, it's 1629 01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:18,519 Speaker 1: worth joining just to get their magazine quality White Tales, 1630 01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,680 Speaker 1: which is a great magazine. But it also has the 1631 01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,560 Speaker 1: segment which we've been talking about age this where you know, 1632 01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,320 Speaker 1: is Eric mentioned, there's a page at first page shows 1633 01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:30,120 Speaker 1: like three photos of three different deer and the details 1634 01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,360 Speaker 1: of where that deer is in details with the property, 1635 01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:34,600 Speaker 1: and then you can look at those pictures try to 1636 01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,200 Speaker 1: guess what you think the ages, and then on the 1637 01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,600 Speaker 1: next page it gives you know, each one of the 1638 01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,920 Speaker 1: experts opinions and the reasoning behind it and what factors 1639 01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,320 Speaker 1: they looked into. And it's just it's a tremendous resource 1640 01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,240 Speaker 1: and it's been probably the most helpful thing for me 1641 01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,960 Speaker 1: in learning to age deer. Um. Yeah. And that's the 1642 01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,080 Speaker 1: thing with that is that you'll notice, you know, the judges, 1643 01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:58,120 Speaker 1: if you will the experts unquote, um, you know, we're 1644 01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:03,479 Speaker 1: never off too far when we disagree, running off by 1645 01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,640 Speaker 1: an age one year. Okay. Now, if you're on a 1646 01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, two three four thousand acres a piece of 1647 01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,360 Speaker 1: property that you're managing and stuff, Yeah, that's that's crucial. 1648 01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,000 Speaker 1: You have you if you're the consultant to manage, you're 1649 01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,559 Speaker 1: you you've got to get it right. But the best you, yeah, 1650 01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,719 Speaker 1: of your ability when you're managing you know, acres and stuff. 1651 01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,240 Speaker 1: Let's be realistic here. Okay, if you're off by here 1652 01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,680 Speaker 1: and you know, as long as it's not a two 1653 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,320 Speaker 1: year old, all right, unless that's what you want to shoot. 1654 01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,280 Speaker 1: You know, Hey, I shot a four year old at 1655 01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,680 Speaker 1: an age at four instead of three. Well great for me, 1656 01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:40,160 Speaker 1: I shot you know, yeah, or he is a three. Yeah, 1657 01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,000 Speaker 1: but you know what has a pretty darn good three 1658 01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,400 Speaker 1: d I've shot him that. Hey, it's dead to slaying 1659 01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,759 Speaker 1: in front of me. You know, he's not gonna grow anymore. 1660 01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,400 Speaker 1: So just be happy with what you shot, you know, 1661 01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:54,720 Speaker 1: so downsize it, you know. So yeah, So that's that's it. 1662 01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:58,720 Speaker 1: So that's practice, practice practice. Yeah. That's super helpful. Thanks 1663 01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,719 Speaker 1: for sharing that. And another resource actually that the quti 1664 01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:05,120 Speaker 1: May has is they actually produced a DVD UM that's 1665 01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,479 Speaker 1: maybe thirty forty minutes long where they go through this 1666 01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,200 Speaker 1: whole thing as well, providing some instruction on how to 1667 01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:13,240 Speaker 1: age deer and they show videos of deer and um, 1668 01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,360 Speaker 1: that's another really helpful resource. So you can get a 1669 01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:20,000 Speaker 1: quti may dot com too, So, um, two great resources 1670 01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,320 Speaker 1: there in in addition to what what you Eric just 1671 01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:25,280 Speaker 1: shared with us. So so that said, we are we 1672 01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,360 Speaker 1: are coming up on time here, So I wanna I 1673 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,479 Speaker 1: want to let you go before we talk your ear 1674 01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,240 Speaker 1: off too much. But Eric, someone wants to learn more 1675 01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,439 Speaker 1: about what you do with Drumming Blog Wildlife Management or 1676 01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,120 Speaker 1: with what you do with the Management Advantage. Where can 1677 01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,680 Speaker 1: they go online to get more information? Well, they can 1678 01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,920 Speaker 1: just go on this drum Alogue dot com, you know, 1679 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,599 Speaker 1: and check out our web page. We're on Facebook quite 1680 01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,679 Speaker 1: a bit, the drum Alogue Wildlife Management and Facebook page. 1681 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:53,680 Speaker 1: It's an easy way to get a hold of me. 1682 01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,040 Speaker 1: Uh and don't be don't be afraid to give me 1683 01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:00,200 Speaker 1: a call. My phone numbers on the website. Um. You know, I, 1684 01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,800 Speaker 1: as you can tell, I don't stop talking about it. 1685 01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:04,200 Speaker 1: I love to talk about it and I will do 1686 01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,160 Speaker 1: everything I possibly can to help you out to be successful. 1687 01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,160 Speaker 1: You know, whether your client or not, you know, it's 1688 01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,120 Speaker 1: my job to educate people. And I don't take that lightly, 1689 01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,519 Speaker 1: you know. Um, Like I said, whether you hire me 1690 01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,919 Speaker 1: or not. But um, and also you know the Management Advantage. 1691 01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,519 Speaker 1: You can go on Management Advantage website page and there 1692 01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:26,760 Speaker 1: will have the weekly, the monthly web web episodes and 1693 01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,519 Speaker 1: we have a lot of good, good content that's coming 1694 01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,640 Speaker 1: um here soon and stuff. Always trying to reinvent the 1695 01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,760 Speaker 1: wheel there at management advantage and you know we do 1696 01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,160 Speaker 1: the best we can't there, so it's please check us 1697 01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,960 Speaker 1: out on that. And also you know, hopefully here I 1698 01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,800 Speaker 1: test the real estate test. You can contact if you 1699 01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:49,759 Speaker 1: want some land in a while. But uh but anyway 1700 01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,519 Speaker 1: a month you know, but um, but yeah, so just 1701 01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,280 Speaker 1: give us a call, contact us, Facebook us, you know, 1702 01:31:56,479 --> 01:32:00,280 Speaker 1: email us our email addresses also on the website and 1703 01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,400 Speaker 1: well we we check. We try to check our emails, 1704 01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:07,760 Speaker 1: uh daily but you know, consulting and travel all over 1705 01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:09,880 Speaker 1: the place. You know, we will get to you. Okay, 1706 01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:12,840 Speaker 1: if you don't hear from us, just it us a call, 1707 01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,160 Speaker 1: keep trying. We're not ignoring you. Ever, we just got 1708 01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:21,000 Speaker 1: deleted or something filling. So that's it all right. Well, 1709 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,080 Speaker 1: I will make sure to include those links on the 1710 01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,519 Speaker 1: blog post for this podcast, so if anyone wants to 1711 01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,240 Speaker 1: wants to go check out those different different resources, they 1712 01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,400 Speaker 1: can do that easily. And uh, this has been great, Eric, 1713 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Um. I definitely took some things away 1714 01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,800 Speaker 1: from this. I'm sure our listeners did too, so so 1715 01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:40,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. No, thank you, Mark, 1716 01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:44,160 Speaker 1: and congratulations on your success with Larga Hunt. And you know, 1717 01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:45,800 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago I think that you got 1718 01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,040 Speaker 1: q d M a award for what you do and 1719 01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:54,400 Speaker 1: then your recent uf Q cover. You know, that's good, 1720 01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:56,640 Speaker 1: that's great man. We're happy for you and anything that 1721 01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,120 Speaker 1: we can do too, you know, and help you out 1722 01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:01,720 Speaker 1: at any time and never hesitate to call us. Hey, 1723 01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,800 Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. And uh, I'm sure I'll be 1724 01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,200 Speaker 1: in touch um when I win the lottery. You are 1725 01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:09,599 Speaker 1: the guy that's gonna help me find that property down Ohio. 1726 01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,400 Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to that day. Yeah. Well, my 1727 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,320 Speaker 1: stars is gonna be whatever you want in the lottery. Okay, 1728 01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:19,080 Speaker 1: I better better keep it quiet how much I win there? 1729 01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,679 Speaker 1: Hey did I say no? I meant that? Yeah, yeah exactly. 1730 01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,960 Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you so much, Eric, and we 1731 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,080 Speaker 1: will be in touchdown the road. Absolutely, Thank you Mark. 1732 01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:33,880 Speaker 1: All right bye bye. All right, Well, with that, we 1733 01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:37,080 Speaker 1: are going to wrap things up now. For those of 1734 01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,200 Speaker 1: you who have been listening to the podcast for a while, 1735 01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:41,320 Speaker 1: I've got a question for you. Have you left a 1736 01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,840 Speaker 1: review yet on iTunes? We've got two hundred thirty eight 1737 01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,120 Speaker 1: awesome reviews you guys have left and we really appreciate that. 1738 01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:50,800 Speaker 1: But maybe there's a few of you still out there 1739 01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,280 Speaker 1: that haven't given us your feedback and what you think 1740 01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,360 Speaker 1: about the show. So if you haven't, could you possibly 1741 01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,400 Speaker 1: take thirty seconds to do that. It is a huge 1742 01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:00,280 Speaker 1: help to us and it helps keep the show in 1743 01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,760 Speaker 1: the air. Um. You know, when companies are thinking about 1744 01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,720 Speaker 1: supporting the podcast and you know, making this possible, they 1745 01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,800 Speaker 1: probably look at that those reviews to see if this 1746 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:11,680 Speaker 1: show is worth the who So we appreciate you if 1747 01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:14,799 Speaker 1: you share your honest opinions or you know, any feedback 1748 01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:16,160 Speaker 1: you might have. If you think that I sound like 1749 01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,400 Speaker 1: an idiot, or if you think that Dan doesn't make sense, 1750 01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, whatever you really think, please tell us there. 1751 01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:24,400 Speaker 1: It's super helpful. And speaking of thank you, it quick 1752 01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:26,560 Speaker 1: thank you to those partners who helped make sure that 1753 01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,880 Speaker 1: the Wired Hunt podcast is able to go on the air. 1754 01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,960 Speaker 1: So big thank you to stick a Gear, Trophy, Ridge 1755 01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:36,599 Speaker 1: Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Hunter A, maps Ozonics, Carbon Express, 1756 01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:40,519 Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail Institute of North America. 1757 01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,760 Speaker 1: And finally and most importantly, thank you guys for joining 1758 01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:46,960 Speaker 1: us today. Hopefully you've got a few ideas today that 1759 01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,760 Speaker 1: you can put into action this summer. So get to 1760 01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,280 Speaker 1: work as hunting season is going to be here before 1761 01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:56,599 Speaker 1: you know it, and of course stay wired to hunt 1762 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,960 Speaker 1: the pot of baby word to beat in the STU