WEBVTT - THE SNOWBALL GAMES

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Special Teams, a production of My Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>Greetings and Welcome inside Special Teams with Jason Smith and

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Harmon, a podcast where we look back in specific

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<v Speaker 1>years and special teams in that year. In the world

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<v Speaker 1>of sports. You've been listening the past few podcasts. We've

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<v Speaker 1>kind of been on a weather run here in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and nine nineties, talking about games that took place

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<v Speaker 1>in big mud, like the mud ball, games that took

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<v Speaker 1>place in the incredible cold, like the Freezer Bowl. We

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<v Speaker 1>had the snowplow game earlier on Special Teams. Today, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's finish up the weather with snowball games. Three big games,

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<v Speaker 1>three big football games that were affected by fans throwing

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<v Speaker 1>snowballs on the field. So this kind of I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like this is this is one of our opus. Is

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<v Speaker 1>like the weather opus that we we started with with

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<v Speaker 1>with the Freezer Bowl, and now we're ending here with

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<v Speaker 1>some snowball games. I feel like it's part of like

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<v Speaker 1>the the Lord of the Rings, this is our quest.

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<v Speaker 1>We just hit another season. Uh so here you go

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<v Speaker 1>with the first snowball game coming to you in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five game between the forty Niners and the Broncos. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>both these teams who you could say we're teams of

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties and teams of late eighties. Uh, they were

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<v Speaker 1>both just okay so far at this point in the

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<v Speaker 1>Niners have won fifteen games in the Super Bowl. The

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<v Speaker 1>year before, they drafted Jerry Rice in the off season,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was like, hey boy, the nine we're rolling.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the forty Niners, it was a season of frustration.

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<v Speaker 1>They never really got going enough. And look eighty five,

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<v Speaker 1>of course was the five Bears. Meanwhile, for the Broncos,

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<v Speaker 1>they were a trendy Super Bowl pick. They had draft

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<v Speaker 1>Advance Johnson. Remember that that was when they had the amigos,

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<v Speaker 1>like the three of me, go Watcher Sivers. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big game for both of the teams

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<v Speaker 1>at this point in the season, because you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>in November, heyty, Broncos nationally televised game, and it turned

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<v Speaker 1>out to be a game that potentially turned on one

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<v Speaker 1>snowball being thrown. It was not you, my Carmen, because

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<v Speaker 1>this fits into your wheelhouse of you be the troublemaker

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<v Speaker 1>when you were a kid, well a bit of an agitator. Uh. College,

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<v Speaker 1>I was a guy that was around the big ten

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<v Speaker 1>a ton. But you know five, I was just uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a kid in in middle school, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>play football, trying to do my thing. Actually I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to had to have a surgery that had

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<v Speaker 1>me sitting around and doing nothing but watching football for

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<v Speaker 1>that fall. I had to miss a season with the surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>which which was awful. But what are you gonna do? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>You sitting watching a lot of good football and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of curious moments much like this one. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'd been in the crowd like I was in

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<v Speaker 1>my college days, snow might have found my hand. I

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<v Speaker 1>think so. I also might have been the guy yelling

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<v Speaker 1>at people to not do it. I don't know now

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<v Speaker 1>now that back then, Now now you're that guy? Though,

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<v Speaker 1>Now that would be you think I'm that guy? And

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<v Speaker 1>would that make me a Karen Nacular? Isn't it Karen

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<v Speaker 1>and ken right? Because you don't hear about Kenza, But

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<v Speaker 1>it's like Karen and ken right those that's what's that's okay. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we are November eleventh, Dan Reeves and the

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<v Speaker 1>Broncos hosting Bill Walsh and the forty Niners. Uh, there

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<v Speaker 1>was no snow on the ground believe there for a

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<v Speaker 1>snowball game. There was no snow on the field. It

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<v Speaker 1>had been shoveled off. Right. The game started out well

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<v Speaker 1>for the Broncos. Elway through a couple of touchdowns, one

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<v Speaker 1>to Steve Watson, Denver was up fourteen three. San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't really mount a lot of offense, but near the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the first half they drive down to the

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<v Speaker 1>Denver three yard line. This is where it becomes the

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<v Speaker 1>snowball game, right. San Francisco had no timeouts. They wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get a scoring before halftime, because look, they're trailing

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<v Speaker 1>four teen three. So Ray Worshing comes out for a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty yard field goal and the holder is wait for it,

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<v Speaker 1>wait for it, wait for it, Mat Kavanaugh, who was

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<v Speaker 1>the holder for the game winning field goal in the

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<v Speaker 1>snowplow game. So if there's snow involved and you need

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<v Speaker 1>a field goal, well Matt Kavanaugh, he is your holder.

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<v Speaker 1>So on this play, two snowballs actually get thrown. So

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<v Speaker 1>the snap comes and whoever was throwing the snowballs from

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<v Speaker 1>the stands wanted a time and so they threw the snowball,

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<v Speaker 1>so it landed on the field and potentially distracted Ray Worshing.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So what happens is you see the snowballs

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<v Speaker 1>hit the ground. Kavanaugh says he was distracted, he lost concentration,

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't catch the ball and place it down. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a chip shot twenty yard field goal, so he tries

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<v Speaker 1>to throw it in a scrum. He can't. Denver takes over.

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<v Speaker 1>They kill the clock. They go to halftime up four

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<v Speaker 1>teen three. You know what's funny, though, Jason, right there

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<v Speaker 1>is the end of that play would be a would

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<v Speaker 1>have been a fifteen yard flag all day every day. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The defender comes up and butts him in the head. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>knocks him. It's like, what the hell? That's like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>one where there's a pedally flag immediately. He also didn't

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<v Speaker 1>sell it right, Kevana, you gotta go to the ground

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<v Speaker 1>like you you just got hit by a Rick Flair

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<v Speaker 1>Judo chop man. And that that's one that Kavanaugh failed on.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Broncos go on to win the game seventeen sixteen, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen three and a a half time, they win seventeen sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>Rich Carlos game winning field goal of the minute twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven left to go. So this field goal play turned

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<v Speaker 1>out to be a really big deal. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>watch this replay, you can see the two snowballs come

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<v Speaker 1>in and you can easily tell that Kavanaugh looks like

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<v Speaker 1>he's distracted. Right. He tries, but you can see, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>whether the corners I or something else, and he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>the ball cleanly and he can't put it down. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazing to see it because it's it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just ice that hits the ground in a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of spots and and and splatters. When you see it live,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't really see it. But on the replay you

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<v Speaker 1>see the snowballs fly in hit the ground, and that

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<v Speaker 1>distracts Kavanaugh. You can't put the football down. Now. The

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<v Speaker 1>referee at the time, Jim Tunney, said they couldn't call

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<v Speaker 1>a foul on the home team as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>somebody throwing a snowball on the field, right, So we

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't call a foul home team. They did wind up

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<v Speaker 1>increasing security at halftime because it was a people are

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<v Speaker 1>throwing snowballs on the field. We we don't want this

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, so let's put uh let's let's put more

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<v Speaker 1>security on the field. But they said they couldn't call

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<v Speaker 1>a foul on the home team, when now they would

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<v Speaker 1>they would usher a warning saying, anybody does us again,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna wind up getting thrown now as to be

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<v Speaker 1>a fifteen yard penalty and you would see that um.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was nothing they could do on this. So

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<v Speaker 1>it goes in the books as as an unsuccessful field

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<v Speaker 1>goal attempt. And it's just crazy to see that this

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<v Speaker 1>is what winds up costing a team the game. And

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<v Speaker 1>after the game was over, Dan Reeves, head coach of

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<v Speaker 1>the Broncos, said it probably didn't disrupt the play because

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<v Speaker 1>Kavanaugh didn't argue at that time. So I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so because you didn't argue, it didn't disrupt the play. Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh And and look, and it was one of those

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<v Speaker 1>situations where it's difficult because you can see what can

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<v Speaker 1>you really do about it, and there's not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to do, but still to see it go down this way,

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<v Speaker 1>you could just tell something was wrong here. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny because they actually in the broadcast because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you can go back and watch young

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Montana and John Elway, you're gonna do this right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're gonna light this up is that they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't come back after a bit of a time out

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<v Speaker 1>to say here's the SlowMo, which was brilliant, right to

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<v Speaker 1>bring that back. Uh, and Frank Gifford on the call, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the snowball. I spoke of, man, that had to

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<v Speaker 1>be distracting. One of those kind of moments. You can

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<v Speaker 1>see the second one here. You know you figured five

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<v Speaker 1>years later you got to tell us straighter and boom,

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<v Speaker 1>see there's a snowball right there. Even I had a

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<v Speaker 1>John Madden like effect as it went. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they certainly made sure to point that out there. And

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<v Speaker 1>some technological glitches over the course of the telecast too

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<v Speaker 1>that made it interesting. Hey, we didn't get to show

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<v Speaker 1>you this angle before, but we got a beam back

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<v Speaker 1>from New York, so let's see this. So they did

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<v Speaker 1>that on the field goal, they did that on some

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<v Speaker 1>other things. But yeah, the fact that he didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>and argue it was it was the time. Man. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks like like, hey, did you see that, Hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>look what's going on. I looked like he was still

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<v Speaker 1>incredulous that this is what went on, This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is what happened. You know. It was weird, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>what Dan Reeves hooked onto as he said, quote, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think Kevin Off thought of effect in him, because

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<v Speaker 1>if it did, he'd be standing there arguing with the official.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, Here's where Dan Reeves, who never releases anything

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<v Speaker 1>and never really said anything while he was a head coach,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a master of of of of coach speak

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<v Speaker 1>where he could talk for hours and just not say anything. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He said this quote, I think if you shot me

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<v Speaker 1>with a thirty odd six when I was a holder,

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<v Speaker 1>you've still got to catch that football. So here's Dan Reeves. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a foot, there's snowball that was started. Helped my

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<v Speaker 1>team win. But you know what, Yeah, hey, I would

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<v Speaker 1>catch that ball. You gotta catch that ball. You could

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<v Speaker 1>have shot me, you still got to catch the football

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<v Speaker 1>and put it down. This is Dan Reeves saying that

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<v Speaker 1>after the game. I dig that though. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>can put that on a T shirt these days. Look

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<v Speaker 1>how now many people in the NFL after this was over,

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<v Speaker 1>said that the officials should have intervened in this but didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's a big quote Giants general manager George Young

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<v Speaker 1>remember New York Giants for something coming up later in

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. New York Giants general manager George Young said

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<v Speaker 1>it was a disgrace. We have a game that's decided

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<v Speaker 1>on something like a snowball, and clearly that field goal.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe game doesn't end with a nineteen seventeen when, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a different game, and clearly you're adding three more

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<v Speaker 1>points to the forty niners total, and maybe the game

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<v Speaker 1>does and differently. After this was over, people in San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco were so pissed, and rightfully so. The San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>Examiner offered five hundred dollars for an interview with the

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<v Speaker 1>person who threw the snowball, and a young guy came forward,

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<v Speaker 1>apologized for it, did the interview, but didn't take the money.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'll do what. I'll talk about it. But he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take the money. So I was like, wow, he

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<v Speaker 1>came forward to that, if I'm doing that, I'm taking

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<v Speaker 1>the money. Unless he thought, like it's the movies. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna say they're gonna pay me, They're gonna find

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<v Speaker 1>out where I live and there there's gonna be guys

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<v Speaker 1>there and and and I'm not gonna like that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to be on the run for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of my life and suddenly I'm I'm hopping freight cars

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<v Speaker 1>from town to town and and and living on the

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<v Speaker 1>railroad tracks. I don't want that. No, no, no, you

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<v Speaker 1>keep your money going down to Bartman Road is what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying there. I mean, but it's like knock out

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<v Speaker 1>the door. Who's there? Goons? Who iron goons? Uh? And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that is a curiosity. Five hundred bucks

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, that's pretty decent money. I didn't look

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<v Speaker 1>never never say five isn't a lot of money. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for throwing the snowball and coming forward, which

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<v Speaker 1>means he would have had to identify himself. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was the identity of this dude in the process, whether

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<v Speaker 1>he took the money or not. I just gotta say, though, Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was a gift to go back in

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<v Speaker 1>time and watch a young spride. John Elway running a

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<v Speaker 1>flee flicker was Jim but running the flea flicker and

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<v Speaker 1>advanced Johnson. There was a play where he started getting

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<v Speaker 1>towards the sideline, didn't quite tap out fast enough for

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<v Speaker 1>Ronnie Lott's taste, so he kind of bumped him a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And because it's wet and slippery, Elway goes down, so

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<v Speaker 1>all hell breaks loose. I mean, you got all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of cool little moments watching this game. Game John Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Montana trying to do his magic, and Roger Craig coming

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<v Speaker 1>up short uh to to cement the game at Rice

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<v Speaker 1>with an athletic catch, but he's two feet out of

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<v Speaker 1>bounce like that's fun. But he also took the official

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<v Speaker 1>down with him, so I think maybe the officials were

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<v Speaker 1>still salty. I mean, there's so much going on, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's fun to go down memory lane and and you

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<v Speaker 1>forget about the snowball game. Now remember George Young, Jim

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<v Speaker 1>of the Giants. It's ridiculous, it's cost that way. Dan Reeves,

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<v Speaker 1>head coach of the Broncos, doesn't matter. You gotta catch that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just remember those two names, because if you like the

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<v Speaker 1>snowball game here, you ain't heard nothing yet. That's coming

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<v Speaker 1>up next right here on special Teams. So snowball game

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<v Speaker 1>in our rear view mirror. Remember the names again, George Young, Giants, GM,

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Reeves, head coach of the Denver Broncos, because we

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<v Speaker 1>are jumping ahead now ten years to the next snowball game,

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<v Speaker 1>which lives in infamy in NFL history as the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Giants, who were then coached by Dan Reeves, hosted

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<v Speaker 1>the San Diego Chargers in the final game of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>This game is notable because this was a year where

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego had a huge run of the playoffs where

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<v Speaker 1>they started four and seven but won their last five

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<v Speaker 1>games to get in. You know, starting the run of

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<v Speaker 1>the Charges when every year all the Chargers are terrible

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<v Speaker 1>the first few games and they go on a big run.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the first game year where they had that

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<v Speaker 1>big run four and seven, They win five in a

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<v Speaker 1>row to get to the playoffs. Now the Giants, they

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<v Speaker 1>were done right there, five and ten. They're finishing out

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<v Speaker 1>the Season's the final game of the regular season. So

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<v Speaker 1>in New York in the winter, it gets snowy. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the snow wasn't on the field because the snow was

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<v Speaker 1>was pushed off, but it was on the corners of

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<v Speaker 1>the fields, and it was all over the stands, all right. Somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>the Giants in this game get up seventeen nothing while

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<v Speaker 1>fans are throwing snowballs at each other in the stands.

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<v Speaker 1>This is New York, all right, or New Jersey. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>the game we're winning. Yeah, but let's throw snowballs at

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<v Speaker 1>each other. I mean, this is the Giants are terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's they're playing for nothing and the Chargers

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<v Speaker 1>are playing for everything and the Giants get up seventeen nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you think is gonna happen? Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>got a bunch of New Yorkers and New Jerry have

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<v Speaker 1>a snowball. Fine, you know you, You and me I.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody turns into Rocky Bell boy, you know you. And

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<v Speaker 1>so eventually it gets to, hey, no, we should do

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<v Speaker 1>a forget about throwing stuff at each other. How ably

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<v Speaker 1>show some stuff on the field of the players. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's New York. So they started throwing snowballs at the

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<v Speaker 1>players on the field and players started getting hitting with

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<v Speaker 1>these snowballs regularly. This wasn't like one or two, but

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<v Speaker 1>this was snowballs are being bombed every few seconds because

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<v Speaker 1>there was so much snow in the stands that they

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<v Speaker 1>were hitting the players. And this is where things started

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of control. Yeah, the report was that

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday of that week they had about a foot of

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<v Speaker 1>snowfall by game time, and this is a Saturday game.

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<v Speaker 1>They moved it from the aisles and the the well

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<v Speaker 1>the seats were cleared, but it was all under the

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<v Speaker 1>seats and packed and condensed, and because it was cold.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also not just talking snowballs, we're talking ice balls,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that become part of this. So about fifty

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<v Speaker 1>people in attendance trying to pass the time and finish

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<v Speaker 1>off the season. Yeah, that's uh, that's a recipe for disaster. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>don't forget. You have to add alcohol to this because

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<v Speaker 1>as the game is going on, people are drinking and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, shock, hey, wait stop, people are drinking beer

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<v Speaker 1>and alcohol NFL games. As the beer gets flowing, things

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<v Speaker 1>get even more crazy. It's not like, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after a while, everybody stopped throwing snowballs at the players.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just keep drinking and throwing snowballs. The Giants start

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<v Speaker 1>giving away the lead on the field, the Chargers start

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<v Speaker 1>coming back, and it's crazy. So now you have fans

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<v Speaker 1>who are really upset, and snowballs are flying faster, more consistently.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see the games, you can see the highlights

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<v Speaker 1>of this game. You just see snowballs into the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of the picture. Every few feet you see one

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<v Speaker 1>laughing Giants. Officials said they saw kids throwing snowballs on

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<v Speaker 1>the field and Dad's given them I fives after their Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a good troke, Tommy. I bet you cant

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<v Speaker 1>throwing far to out. You know, Hey, how about I'll

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<v Speaker 1>buy you a bicycle if you control want to hit

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<v Speaker 1>somebody on the field. That's a good one, Tommy. Hi five.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's really what it was. That that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you went all good fellas at the end there too,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, I went, Tommy, Hey, Tommy know, just amazing video, man,

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<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, the way in the way it starts to flow,

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<v Speaker 1>because look, we're used to seeing games in Philadelphia, Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>and other places where you'll have the you know, snowball here,

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<v Speaker 1>a snowball there. This is just a constant barrage. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that we're we're only in the third quarter

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. Yeah, I mean you feel like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're no, no, no, you're only the third quarter. Because

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, things always get more and more insane

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<v Speaker 1>the more alcohol, the more time you bring. And in

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<v Speaker 1>the third quarter of this game, uh, a security guard

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<v Speaker 1>gets hit with a snowball. Then a fight breaks out

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<v Speaker 1>in the stand. So now violence is going on. Snowball

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<v Speaker 1>start coming down from the upper deck, which if you

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<v Speaker 1>throw a snowball from the upper deck in a football game,

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<v Speaker 1>you had somebody you could really hurt them, especially with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these being made up of ice, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like you know, you just this is just

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<v Speaker 1>all like fresh fallen snow and hits you and and

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<v Speaker 1>falls off, and you go, oh, it's funny. You'll have

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<v Speaker 1>a snowball fighting like. This is not elf Okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is you know, throwing snowball from the top

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<v Speaker 1>deck in a football game. The game gets halted and

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<v Speaker 1>halls are made up to the booth to have an

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<v Speaker 1>announcement made to warn the fans about not throwing snowballs anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So you have this warning go out to

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<v Speaker 1>the fans and and of course it doesn't matter because

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<v Speaker 1>people still keep throwing. Yeah, what are they gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>to us? Uh? The San Diego charges equipment manager, who

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<v Speaker 1>is standing next to one of the officials, gets hit

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<v Speaker 1>in the head by a snowball and is knocked unconscious. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Sid Brooks then sixty years old. He gets hit and

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<v Speaker 1>is knocked unconscious. The cord guy. And when I say that,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's the that's the assistant on the sideline. Who

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<v Speaker 1>who holds the cord for the head coach? Back when

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<v Speaker 1>before they had wireless records, you know that you had

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<v Speaker 1>two hundreds of yards who came. Yeah, you had the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who would hold the cords for the head coach,

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<v Speaker 1>like Bruce Coslet when he was head coach of the Jets,

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter would hold the cord form. My roommate in

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<v Speaker 1>college was the cord guy for Syracuse Paul. Yeah, he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an equipment manager and uh, you know he

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<v Speaker 1>got money to go to college, but equipment man because

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<v Speaker 1>he did that in high school. And he job on

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<v Speaker 1>game day was the cord guy for Paul Pasqualoney. And

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<v Speaker 1>so who was the head coach? You would always sit

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<v Speaker 1>there and I'll move around, move around, move around. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the cord guy. So the cord guy for Dan Reeves,

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for Dan reeves headset took off because he knew

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Reeves is gonna be a target because the Charges

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<v Speaker 1>are coming back winning this game. So I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm done. I know they're gonna start throwing

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<v Speaker 1>stuff at Dan Reeves. I'm gonna get hit. So the

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<v Speaker 1>cord guy just leaves. It's the end of the year

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<v Speaker 1>and he probably knew Reeves hated him. Anyway, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to this. There's no way I do in

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<v Speaker 1>this again. It's the way they're we're doing my contract

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<v Speaker 1>um out of here. So the chord guy takes off.

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<v Speaker 1>The game is seventeen seventeen. Sean Gale picks off a

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<v Speaker 1>pass and goes nine nine yards for a touchdown. You

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<v Speaker 1>can watch this highlight and you see his Sean Gale

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<v Speaker 1>is getting ready to cross the goal line. Snowballs come

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<v Speaker 1>flying down at him. So San Diego Chargers they go

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<v Speaker 1>up seventeen. They wind up winning the game. More people

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<v Speaker 1>are getting hit, a initials are getting hit. One flipped

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<v Speaker 1>off the crowd after getting hit. How this game wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>stopped or even forfeited after the Shaan Gail touchdown is

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<v Speaker 1>beyond me because officials clearly had no control of this game.

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<v Speaker 1>And at that point it's I go, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you don't have forefeits that often, but but

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<v Speaker 1>you had no control over what was going on the Giants.

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<v Speaker 1>You gave up the lead, you're losing the game. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we're done, we're going off the field. But they kept

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<v Speaker 1>playing the game even though they had no way to

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<v Speaker 1>stop the snowballs from flying out of the stands. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a barrage near Sean Gale. As he runs into

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<v Speaker 1>the end of with his touchdown and still the the

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<v Speaker 1>officials said, Okay, hey, sorry, Dave Brown, you just through

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<v Speaker 1>that big ninety nine yard pick. You gotta go back

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Good luck staying away from the snowballs. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just amazing right now. It's safety, safety, safety. Then can

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<v Speaker 1>we finish running clock? What don't we do? Uh? And

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, getting over the loudspeaker, please refrain, be

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<v Speaker 1>a good citizen and you're no nobody cares. It's done

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<v Speaker 1>between the alcohol or the kids trying to impress their

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<v Speaker 1>dad's it's over. You're just open to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>there in one piece. Man. Just crazy scene the Shawn

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<v Speaker 1>Gayle former bear uh yard or uh. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>play that that stands out when you see any video

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<v Speaker 1>footage of Here's the great weather moments in NFL history.

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<v Speaker 1>Fourteen people were arrested, A hundred and seventy five people

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<v Speaker 1>were ejected, so at least they were ejecting some of

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<v Speaker 1>the fans. They but it doesn't matter because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how many thousands of people at a football game.

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<v Speaker 1>You inject a hundred seventy Yeah, there's yeah. We got

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<v Speaker 1>rid of those people throwing snowballs. Their tickets were confiscated.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. Ten security guards got hurt. Three were hospitalized,

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<v Speaker 1>said Brooks. As you mentioned, was knocked out for about

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds after getting hit. And look, Shawn Gayle's return

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<v Speaker 1>was with five and a half minutes to go in

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<v Speaker 1>the game. Nobody would have complained if you stop the

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<v Speaker 1>game at that point. Nobody would have. The Giants didn't

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<v Speaker 1>need it. The Chargers rearly had come back to win

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<v Speaker 1>this game. You could have stopped at that point. No no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's keep going. They actually get another field goal and

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<v Speaker 1>win the game. Seventeen Dan Reeves, who was so much

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<v Speaker 1>oh yes, snowball snowballs. He had to sit here and

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<v Speaker 1>watch that the whole thing unfold, like his penance for

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<v Speaker 1>yelling at Matt Kavanaugh on being so haughty ten years ago. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and his man deserted him. I mean that's the other part. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're you're supposed to be a leader. Leader

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<v Speaker 1>said beat it. You know, the kids, the guy that's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be following him said I'm I'm not standing

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<v Speaker 1>in and taking incoming for this guy. What does that

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<v Speaker 1>say about you? Dan Reeves. After the game, Sean Gaylee

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<v Speaker 1>was asked, Hey, did you feel weird about getting hit

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<v Speaker 1>with a snowball? And he said, no, we have equipment on,

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<v Speaker 1>so I didn't worry too much about getting hit. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>The Charges they lost Dan Humphries early in this game.

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<v Speaker 1>Gail Gilbert was playing quarterback and it was all this

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be done. We're done on the platt and

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<v Speaker 1>they come back and win, They win this snowball game,

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<v Speaker 1>and all this controversy happens, and and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>look to have that kind of Hey, we're gonna stick

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<v Speaker 1>with this and win in in an in a hostile

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<v Speaker 1>environment when it's the weather is zero degrees and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not fun for us because we're in San Diego. I

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<v Speaker 1>get the charge of a lot of credit for coming

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<v Speaker 1>back and winning this football game. Yeah, no question. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean being able to battle through because when when we

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<v Speaker 1>know the the reputation of teams in cold weather environments

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<v Speaker 1>and the data backs that out, you know. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>how it ended the snowball game with the Giants and

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<v Speaker 1>the Chargers there's one other huge snowball game we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get to coming up next. Because I was actually in

0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 1>attendance for this one. I didn't throw any snowballs. Where

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 1>are you really? I was in attendance for this game.

0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 1>My feet have never been so cold as I was

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:53.480
<v Speaker 1>at this game. And it's the biggest college football snowball game.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna get to coming up next on special teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to special teams. Before we get to the

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:13.919
<v Speaker 1>college football snowball game up, We're for a couple of

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.119
<v Speaker 1>minutes here. Uh, you know, we talked a few minutes

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.439
<v Speaker 1>ago about how fifteen fans got arrested, hundred and seventy

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 1>five people got ejected. One of the people was a

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:26.120
<v Speaker 1>former police chief. Right, so it's a former police chief

0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:30.480
<v Speaker 1>is throwing snowballs get injected in from the game. A lot.

0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.959
<v Speaker 1>You throw that snowball? Alright, chief, I got it. Uh.

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 1>The Giants actually apologized to the Chargers in one of

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:41.240
<v Speaker 1>the San Diego newspapers following the game. Uh that, hey,

0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.399
<v Speaker 1>sorry this happened, We treated you this way and all

0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:45.120
<v Speaker 1>these things charged right, Yeah, we don't can We won

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:46.679
<v Speaker 1>the game where you know, we went to the playoffs

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:50.240
<v Speaker 1>now in regards to forfeitting, because this is an interesting

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 1>thing because we talked about forefeitting in this whole weather run,

0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 1>whether it was the snowplow game or this game right here.

0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 1>NFL and officials do have the power to a rulings

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.719
<v Speaker 1>in regards to forfeit and overturning results. It's called the

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 1>palpably unfair acts in a game. That's the actual name,

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.199
<v Speaker 1>the palpably unfair I like that, which it wasn't so

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 1>hard to say, would be a great name for a band.

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, palpably unfair acts. But who was really gonna

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:19.120
<v Speaker 1>do that? I'm really gonna say, oh, yeah, you know what, Yeah,

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 1>that this happened, and your forfeit in the act, you

0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>could have just you could have ended games in in

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:25.399
<v Speaker 1>the in the you could have ended this game with

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:27.679
<v Speaker 1>the score being the way it was and the Dolphin

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 1>the Johnts after forefeit. You were ending the game early.

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 1>We're just ending the game now because we all gotta

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 1>go away. But it does exist from the NFL. If

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 1>there is a palpably unfair act that is deemed unfair enough,

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 1>you could end a football game with it, and you

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 1>could forfeit a game about that. Wonder what they'd actually

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 1>determine needs to happen to uh put that into effect.

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:53.159
<v Speaker 1>I read a New York Times article in addition to

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 1>going back and watching as much as I could have

0:25:55.119 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 1>this one, uh, that there was a photograph of an

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 1>individual who's throwing a snowball. He was arrested and charged

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:11.399
<v Speaker 1>with disorderly conduct. He was convicted of improper behavior. Boy,

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:13.400
<v Speaker 1>every one of us could getting nailed for that at

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 1>some point. Now I found coodn't we uh? And he

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:19.439
<v Speaker 1>was fine six d fifty dollars. Oh okay, Well, you

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>know fifty bucks back in that's like a grand now,

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:26.479
<v Speaker 1>so you know it's a lot of cash, straight cash.

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.919
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's uh, some small fraction of what

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 1>the seat licenses in the new stadium. So this game

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 1>was not the first snowball game that I had seen

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.160
<v Speaker 1>this year, and I was actually a part of the

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 1>biggest one in college football. On my birthday in I

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>went to go see Michigan and Penn State in Happy Valley, right.

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 1>Pam and I had just started dating. My wife and

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I and one of the first places we went to

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 1>by ourselves. She's a Michigan grad, huge Michigan football fan.

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.359
<v Speaker 1>We were living in Kinneta get working for ESPN, and

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.920
<v Speaker 1>we said, hey, you have the weekend, I'll let let's

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>go to the Michigan Penn State game. And it was

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 1>awesome because I was meeting a lot of her family

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>for the first time, because her aunt and uncle, who

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:11.880
<v Speaker 1>were more like her brother and sister in law because

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 1>they were they're close in age. Uh, they came down

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 1>to the game and met us. It was awesome. We've

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 1>been so close for the past, you know, twenty five years.

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 1>So they come down to the game and so, like

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:23.479
<v Speaker 1>I said, it's my birthday, which is in November, and

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 1>it's so cold and my feet are in water and

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 1>ice the entire game. It's terrible. There's snowballs and there's

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>snow in the stands everywhere else, and it's it's just

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>a miserable experience. Because to go to a game at

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 1>Penn State, you have to get there early, Like if

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to tailgate, tough, you kind of have

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 1>to because there's so many people going to the games,

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.159
<v Speaker 1>you gotta get there. So we had to leave it

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>like nine o'clock in the morning or ten o'clock in

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 1>the morning. The games at three thirty or and so

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 1>we're like, okay, we'll go and we'll go to the game.

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>And so we're there for hours and it's so cold

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's miserable and Michigan's losing the game. But people

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>start throwing snowballs. And there was a play in the

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 1>in the second half. At one point, so many people

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.120
<v Speaker 1>were throwing snowballs. It was a play in the quarter

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>of the ends, and I think it was I want

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 1>to say it was Mercury Hayes, but I'm not quite sure.

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:13.920
<v Speaker 1>It was a play in the corner with the ball

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 1>was thrown to the end zone and I couldn't see

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 1>it because it was it wasn't close to where I

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>was in the stands. But the play goes to the

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:23.200
<v Speaker 1>corey ends and it's an incomplete pass and snowballs come

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>flying out during this during this play, and my wife

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>pen goes, Oh, that's gonna be a penalty. I'm like,

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>that's not gonna can't throw a penalty flag snowballs on

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the field. You're not getting that call. At Penn State,

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you're not getting it. But the snowballs came flying out.

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, always like so many from the upper deck,

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>and this was like the last straw. Joe Paterno got

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 1>on the microphone. They but they gave him a mic

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, hey, you guys, stop throwing snowballs. It's

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>not who we are on the field here. And I

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god, Joe pau is yelling at

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the fans, you know, in the field. This is obviously

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 1>years before all the scandal in Penn State, and we're

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm going, oh my, this is this is crazy. This

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>is Joe. Joe Paterno was yelling at the fans to

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 1>stop throwing snowballs. They wound up, Penn State went up

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 1>win in the game. Wally Richardson threw a touchdown and

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 1>he was the quarterback that year. And but I walked

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 1>away going, I can't believe that. And then I saw

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the coverage of this game, and now it was a

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>lead story on Sports Enter and everywhere else. I'm like,

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I was at a piece of history.

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I was I was actually in a game that was

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>part of history. And when I got back, one of

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 1>my friends said to me, the people were trying to

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>get in touch with you. I'm like, really, go yeah,

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 1>we didn't have anybody at this game where they were

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>trying to see if there was a way to get

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>in touch with me where I could go in the

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 1>locker room and get stuck. Like working for ESPN at

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>the time, but I had the time off this before

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I had cell phones everything else. We're like, yeah, we

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 1>were trying to fare a way to call you to

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 1>get you to do something because you know you were

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 1>We knew you were at the game, and and and

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>you could have done something. I was like, what did

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>you want me to do? I didn't bring a camera

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>to the game with me. I didn't bring microphone to

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the game. It's not like you know, I had stuff.

0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I Oh, yeah, I'll just go in and do interviews.

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if it was too housand and twenty, yeah,

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I could go in with my phone and do interview.

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>You could text me and say Yea'll go in and

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>do some interviews, and trying to do this. Yeah, we

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 1>try to get to So obviously they wind up getting

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>all the stuff they needed from different um news sources

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>and local stations, and obviously had the broadcast of Joe

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Paterno yelling at the fans. But my friend told me

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>they wanted me to do some stuff at this at

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:26.239
<v Speaker 1>the game for them just absolutely insane. When you go

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>through and you and you look at this footage, I

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>can only imagine being there. I went to to State

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 1>College maybe three times, I think, in between my school

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>years and after, and it was always the bitterest cold

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>of any of the Big Ten. And I went to

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 1>all the Big ten schools on road trips. Man, I

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>don't think I ever experienced anything like this. Now, for

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>for Penn State, this was also they were pretty salty

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>because they were number twelve in the country the week

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>before and came to evan stin and lost to Northwestern.

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 1>So you've got a little bit of anger. Not to

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 1>mention it's Michigan, but you add that up. You had

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 1>ten of these guys got drafted along the way, and

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, big time players. Maybe Penn State maybe maybe

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it's it gets muted now and again, but remember when

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 1>they first came into the conference, they were like rock stars,

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>right because number number one ranked team all the time

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.480
<v Speaker 1>or top five, and it's like, I, what, what is

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>this mystique with Joe Paterno? And when you did your

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Joe paternal impression, I mean it was Wallace Shawn right

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>out of the Princess Bride. I was waiting for you

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>to tell me about guilder people or something. But tons

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>of snow. Uh. There's actually the video I watched of

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>it had that Mercury Hayes video where he's absolutely uh

0:31:55.600 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Will Ferrold and he got a snowball inside the uh

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 1>inside the dome there because he slid into the wall

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>where there's a banking and banking of snow, and that's

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>where you have Joe Paterno come running up to side.

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>What the hell are we do? We're like, oh my god.

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>And you know, the game ended. It was so much momentum,

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>was it was exciting, was all this so I'm exhausted, right.

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>So after the game was that we went to a

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>pizza place, right and I'm so cold all day all day.

0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 1>We go into this pizza place and we have to

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 1>we have to find a place because you know, everything

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 1>on campus is just mobs. It's after a football We

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>find a place we're able to get in and sit

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>down and it's so warm. I sit down and I'm

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>sitting next to Pam and I'm sitting up and I

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 1>fall asleep, not laying down I'm sitting up at a

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>table waiting for pizza, and I fall asleep. I don't

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't put my head down on my hands. I

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>don't do any of that. No, no, no, I I

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>just sitting straight up. I wind up falling asleep, and

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I sleep that way until the pizza comes and I

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>wake up and I go, oh, I'm up, and and

0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Pam looks at me and goes, you were just asleep

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>sitting up for twenty minute, I said, I was. You

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't even move. We were like, are you okay? And

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I can just tell you were sleeping. That's how tired.

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't didn't move to the side, didn't fall that

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I nope. I just sat up and and that's what

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>I did. I sat up and slept for I was

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>so tired, so exhausted. That's that's what happened. I really

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 1>wish I could say I have no idea what you're

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>talking about. But my older daughter, as you know, my

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 1>my beloved Eleanor just turned fifteen. Every now and again

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 1>I go through, you know, as you do, you go

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 1>through some old pictures of that. I look at you

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>when you're little. Uh, there's a lot of pictures of

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 1>her in my arms like a football with me sleeping

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>sitting up. So I am no stranger to that position,

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>my friend, and I applaud you for allowing your body

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 1>to just say, you know what, it's time. So there

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 1>it is the end of our weather opus that takes

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>us from freezing cold to snow and mud and snowballs.

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