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Speaker 1: Media.

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 2: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 2: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to

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Speaker 2: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 2: you can make your own decisions.

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Speaker 3: It's me James, and before we listen to this episode today,

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Speaker 3: I just did want to make you aware that I

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Speaker 3: conducted these interviews in French and Spanish, mostly Spanish, and

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Speaker 3: then transcribed and translated them. So what you're hearing is

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Speaker 3: a translated interview that's been edited for brevity and content.

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Speaker 3: I hope you enjoyed the episode.

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Speaker 4: The most difficult part of the Jinney is wing. We

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Speaker 4: are tricking and your meet dead bodies on It makes

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Speaker 4: you rep it makes you cry, But there's only one

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Speaker 4: for coss in the forest ahead. You'll have to keep going.

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Speaker 4: You'll see modest children. They're crying just to have a

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Speaker 3: A few weeks ago I found myself sitting beside the

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Speaker 3: Tuquesa River on a warm afternoon in late September, making

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Speaker 3: silly faces at a two minths old baby as we

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Speaker 3: both marveled at the cloud yellow butterflies. Anywhere else on

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Speaker 3: earth it could be in a dyllic summer day, but

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Speaker 3: and gap, it's hard to open up your mind to

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Speaker 3: experience joy. I'd only been in the tiny Emberra village

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Speaker 3: of a couple of days, and I had already seen

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Speaker 3: the lifeless body of a girl as the migrants carried

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Speaker 3: with this group of migrants resting here in the shade

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Speaker 3: and up to stream of me there were at least

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Speaker 3: three people's remains here. It was shin deep, but crossing

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Speaker 3: upstream where it's above head height and raides down out

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Speaker 3: The voice you just heard was a migrant from Cameroon

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Speaker 3: who called himself James. That's not his real name, and

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Speaker 3: astute listeners would have noticed that it is my real name,

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Speaker 3: but for the protection of James and his family, it's

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Speaker 3: a name we'll be using when I met James. We're

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Speaker 3: in a migrant reception center called Las Blancas, to the

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Speaker 3: north of the Daien Gap. To get there, one has

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Speaker 3: The voyage takes five hours, and for that five hours,

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Speaker 3: migrants are packed fifteen to a boat wearing bright orange

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Speaker 3: life jackets. Here the boat with Embra Praguero, who sits

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Speaker 3: at the back driving the boat with a tooth stroke motor,

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Speaker 3: The Umbraa people are indigenous to the area that's commonly

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Speaker 3: It's a first settlement migrants encounter is they emerge from

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Speaker 3: There's a morale patch that the Panamanian Border Patrol and

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Speaker 3: a government messaging campaign, da Jungla. It says. The campaign

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Speaker 3: was launched in August, and it translates to the Darien

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Speaker 3: isn't a route or maybe a road to a better translation,

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Speaker 3: it's a jungle. Obviously it's actually both. But this is

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Speaker 3: The dark and foreboding jungle I saw in Bahajiguito is

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Speaker 3: In the nineteen seventies, the British Army said it most

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Speaker 3: migrants have their own names for it, Route del Morte

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Speaker 5: We are coming from Cameroon and my name is Powers.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of crisis in our country. There's a

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Speaker 5: two years, so I was the anglophone. We started revolting

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Speaker 5: and what's killing the citizens of our country. There's a

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Speaker 6: So things a moan.

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Speaker 5: There's no job. I've completed school, but there's nothing for

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Speaker 6: We decided to migrate.

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Speaker 3: To get to Baho Jiquito from Columbia, as James and

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Speaker 3: other migrants did. There's no road you can take. You

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Speaker 3: have to walk the Darrying Gap, an area of rainforested

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Speaker 3: soon become dead bodies, as they beg for help, carry

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Speaker 3: My own migration to the US sixteen years ago was

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Speaker 3: much simpler and safer. But for migrants like James, the

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Speaker 4: There has been fighting the shooting Killing's I myself speaking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very hard to get one right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's very very difficult, so they have to use

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Speaker 3: Way, which is the only way. The truth is that

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Speaker 3: There are a few stories in my time as a

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Speaker 3: Most of the time, I give up if there are

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Speaker 3: no bites after a few months, and that's why you

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Speaker 3: won't see me write about the people who try to

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Speaker 3: hire mercenaries to intimidate voters in twenty twenty, or the

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Speaker 3: Burmese rebels who if I did their revolution with co

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Speaker 3: And on reflection, you probably won't hear about that last

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Speaker 3: coming around to these stories eventually, sure, but I not

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Speaker 3: risk their lives crossing it for a shot at the

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Speaker 3: American dream. And at this point I do want to agnolige.

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Speaker 3: I'm incredibly grateful to the people I work with for

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Speaker 3: to disappear in a dugout canoe into the jungle and

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Speaker 3: come back two weeks later with a story. The Daddy

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Speaker 3: worse than the freight trains they hop on in Mexico,

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Speaker 3: you can't really understand and write about things you haven't seen, smelt,

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Speaker 3: so they must keep going. It's a sort of deterrent

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Speaker 3: in the Darien, there's no turning back, and the lack

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Speaker 3: half a million migrants made the perilous journey last year

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Speaker 3: and if many, if not more, will do so this year.

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Speaker 3: To understand the Dadian you have to first understand US

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Speaker 3: immigration policy, which is something I talk about a lot

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Speaker 3: amos Am I going from North Africa, who met my

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Speaker 3: friends and helped them build shelters in the Cumba last year,

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Speaker 7: So another route right now, which is a difficult route,

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Speaker 7: is through Brazil because Brazil has a I don't know

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Speaker 7: if you guys know, and I think they do that

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Speaker 7: for Americans too. Yeah, So Brazil has sort of I

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Speaker 7: don't know the word, but the equivalent to them is

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Speaker 7: if you impose a visa on Brazil. Brazilians were imposed

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Speaker 7: his own news. They do that to Americans too, so

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Speaker 7: so you know where I'm from. They don't have a

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Speaker 7: visa to as far as for Brazilians, so we don't.

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Speaker 7: So a lot of Africans can go to Brazil and

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Speaker 3: All the way was Jims couldn't fly here directly, that

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Speaker 3: he was able to get a little bit closer to

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Speaker 3: the US by flying to Columbia. I'll let him explain

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Speaker 3: how he pulled that off.

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Speaker 4: For me to have a pass to Colombia, it was

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Speaker 4: They had to give us our bizare yes all right?

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Speaker 6: My name is Mohade from Iran.

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Speaker 3: They told me why they left around but I'm sure Manydicul,

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Speaker 3: We love you.

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Speaker 9: Hope too, you love is it's hard to share.

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Speaker 9: It will be our next home and we should be

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Speaker 9: proud of that. We should be vote for that, We

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they know Romans are very bad situations, have a

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Speaker 3: People left horrific things behind them and saw horrific things

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Speaker 3: So what I'm doing right now, you can hear from

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Speaker 3: I don't know why. I mean, everything's new to me. I'm,

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Speaker 3: Now it's funny. I'm in a place that's beautiful, you know,

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Speaker 3: I suppose it's having snacks, you know, eating jungle horse food.

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Speaker 3: Everything's wet all the time. If you're wet from the rain,

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Speaker 3: up their rooms as hostels to the migrants. Some of

431
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: them have enclosed their bottom floor using plywood or cinder blow.

432
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 3: Others have strung hammocks from their support posts. For four

433
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 3: or five bugs, migrants can get their first good night's

434
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 3: sleep since they left neck or Clee in Columbia as

435
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: much as a week before. Along the main street, which

436
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 3: is really just to raise concrete footpath about a meter across,

437
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 3: you can buy a meal any of half a dozen

438
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: places for five bucks. You can get an hour of

439
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: Wi Fi for a dollar, or charge your phone for

440
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 3: at the same price. Cold drinks for a dollar as well.

441
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: Are one of the many front rooms that have turned

442
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 3: into small kiosks. And that's where the migrants I have

443
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: been sitting down with at the river went when they

444
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: arrived into town. I let them be for a while

445
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 3: I went off to interview more migrants. About a thousand

446
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 3: of them arrive in this village every day each year

447
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 3: since a pandemic has seen record numbers arrived, and the

448
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 3: little village on the side of a hill, surrounded by

449
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: palm trees and full of smiling children in their traditional

450
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: brightly colored pollumers chasing chickens and dogs, has welcomed every

451
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: single one of them. About a thousand of them arrive

452
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: in this town every day. Here they also take a

453
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: boat from neck o'kley across the Golf of the Dabienne.

454
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: They crossed on small motor boats to Capolgana or Kandel.

455
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 3: Those are both towns on the western side of the

456
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: Gulf of the Darienne. From there they begin their walk.

457
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: Even though they're now north of the gulf, they're still

458
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: in Colombia and on the Colombian side of the border.

459
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 3: They're guided by guides, to whom they pay several hundred

460
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: dollars and in return received protection and a wristband that

461
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: ensures they can walk without being robbed. Nobody I spoke

462
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: to had made it this far without paying a guide.

463
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: The area is largely under the control of the Golf Cartel,

464
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: several members of which were sanctioned by the USA. While

465
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 3: I was in the jungle. The marcus I spoke to

466
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 3: didn't really have much bad to say about this part

467
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: of their experience, but universally acknowledged that the next part

468
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: was where they really confronted their fears and nightmares about

469
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 3: the Daddy. Inne he is one Venezuelan migrant sharing his experience.

470
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 10: That's nothing compared to what comes from the border to hear, Yes,

471
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 10: the road is better, and I say that the dane

472
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 10: is less too, and they have everything you need there.

473
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 10: You come prepared, you have, you come with water, and

474
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 10: there are also many ravines where you can drink water. Well,

475
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 10: there are springs that come from the mountain, but from

476
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 10: the border on it's pretty ugly.

477
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: It's a stretch from the Colombian Panamanian border at a

478
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: place that they call Laspandabas which means to flags to

479
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: Bajo Chiquito, where migrants suffer the most. There they can't

480
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: drink from the river because a human waste and human

481
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: remains that constantly fill it like the water deadly. They

482
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: must walk on unmaintained trails. It often turns in deep mud.

483
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: They only have the supplies they carry, which often run out,

484
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: or they jettison to stave weight On the incredibly steep

485
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: mountain path they climb and descend those mountains across rivers,

486
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: often without eating or drinking for days at a time.

487
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 3: On the trail, they pass by the bodies of their fellow travelers.

488
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 3: It's a constant reminder of the risk they're taking. If

489
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: you ask people in Panamas, they'll tell you that Darian

490
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: is closed. Now, your president, nose Raoul Molino was elected

491
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: on a promise to shut down the gap and this

492
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 3: humanitarian crisis and deport more migrants with the US funding,

493
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 3: and that funding has certainly arrived, with more than six

494
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: million already spent since he took office in July. Since then,

495
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: Panama has deported more than eleven hundred people to Venezuela, Cuba, Colombia,

496
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: and India. Each of these has been funded by US taxpayers. Obviously,

497
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: the jungle isn't closed, and it can't really be closed,

498
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: but in an interview before he was elected, Molino said

499
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: that the border of the United States, instead of being

500
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: in Texas, has moved to Panama, and that is something

501
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: he can do with US support. I spoke to some

502
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: venezuel And ladies to help them carry their bag because

503
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: it's a steep hill, and they were saying that no

504
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: one has seen any barriers. I don't know anything about

505
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: any barriers or any fences in a Darian and that

506
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: like they hadn't heard it was closed. Evidently it's not

507
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: a standing in front of one hundred people who just

508
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: got off a boat from the day enn Hubris Aside,

509
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: the rhetoric of closing the Dati m signals are turn

510
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: not just in Panamanian politics, but in the way the

511
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: world sees and handles migration. The US has always sought

512
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: to externalize its borders, from US train border patrol officers

513
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: and Dominican Republic along the border is Haiti to DHS

514
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: agents deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan. As migration has become

515
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: more politicized, the US has sought to move its enforcement

516
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: away from prying eyes and from compassion, and instead brought

517
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: more trauma to a place that is already so hard.

518
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: I've spent much of the last decade of my life

519
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: watching the state try to bring the mountains and desert

520
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: close to where I live under its control. I've stood

521
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: with Kumia people as the government dynamited their graveyards. I

522
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: found border wal contractors lost deep in the mountains. I've

523
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: driven the impossibly steep concrete roads that they built, worried

524
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: about my truck turning end on end. I've seen billions

525
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: of dollars thrown at these mountains, and I've seen people

526
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: with twenty dollars angle grinders or ladders made of old

527
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 3: palettes defeat the wall in moments. Trying to close borders

528
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: doesn't work at home, and it won't work in the

529
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: Daddy and Gap either. Just building the roads to get

530
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 3: the construction equipment into the gap is a gargantuan task

531
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: in any attempt to create a barrier across sixty kilometer

532
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: wide wilderness area, or simply push migrants onto other more

533
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: dangerous routes into places where you can't build and the

534
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: places where nobody can rescue you if you fall down

535
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 3: or break your leg. That doesn't mean there's nothing the

536
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: US can do. I saw first hand the impact of

537
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: Americans spending here as migrants had a reception center carded

538
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: Lajas Blancas, had their families torn apart, and men, women

539
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: and children cried as their parents and partners were taken

540
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: away for a flight back to Columbia, Cuba, or Venezuela

541
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: that my taxes helped to pay for. I console, the

542
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: children with toys and stickers and something to eat as

543
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: their dads were loaded into a flatbed truck. A government

544
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: didn't send money to feed these children, but it seemed

545
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: to have the funds to fund their parents' deportation. By

546
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: deporting people from Panama, the US effectively deprives them of

547
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: much of the due process they should, in theory, have

548
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: the right to in the United States, and the US

549
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: can easily deport them back to places like Cuba and Venezuela,

550
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: which it considers to be dictatorial regimes. The US does

551
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: not and cannot stop migration. People have always moved, and

552
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: people will always want a better future for their children.

553
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: What it can do is make it as painful and

554
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: dangerous as possible. But the rais of word barriers in

555
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: the daddy a gap which I've seen person on social media,

556
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: didn't exist for the hundreds of migrants I spoke to.

557
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: No one I asked had even seen them, but what

558
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: they had seen was far worse.

559
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 11: There are many rivers that you're forced into all the time,

560
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 11: you're putting your life and everything else on the line there.

561
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 11: I was worried that the indigenous people would come out

562
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 11: and do something to us in the nights. I was

563
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 11: worried that any of the children, God forbid, would have

564
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 11: an accident. The same for me. It's horrible to think

565
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 11: about it now.

566
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: This mother hood cruss with a five, six, and sixteen

567
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: year old child, the baby of six months. They'd all

568
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: made it in one piece, but the journey clearly had

569
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: its impact on the children.

570
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 11: There are many people who are left out there without

571
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 11: food and do not have anything to give to their children.

572
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 11: We had food until last night. Nothing left now, and

573
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 11: we had to each one had to just eat a

574
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 11: little bit because we had nothing else to give them.

575
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 11: You can't find anything there. It's in the middle of nowhere.

576
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 11: People died right now along with those who came with

577
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 11: us yesterday. How many died yesterday? Three? I think three

578
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 11: died yesterday. One drowned in the river. Yeah, it's really tough.

579
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: This.

580
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 11: No, no, nobody should do this. Nobody. We do this

581
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 11: out of pure physical necessity to look for a better

582
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 11: future for our kids. We can't stay in our country,

583
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 11: We couldn't stay any longer there.

584
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: Here are a couple of the kids I spoke to,

585
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: or in some cases, the kids who took my recorder

586
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: and conducted interviews with each other.

587
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 11: The mountains, I was so tired and I couldn't climb anymore,

588
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 11: and when I fell on the river, I was really scared.

589
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: Apparently the whole thing was like an adventure she'd seen

590
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: Pepper Pig having, which at once made me giggle and

591
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: also one reflection, it's one of the saddest things I've

592
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: ever had to record, I'm sure. Her mum told her

593
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: that to make it easier for her to pass through

594
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: a terrible place, but really sure to be at home

595
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: washing Peppa Pig and playing with her friends, not walking

596
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 3: past three dead bodies which are currently decomposing on the trail.

597
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: She seemed remarkably resilient. She said the long bus ride

598
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: she'd taken to get there one boring because she enjoyed

599
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: looking out the window, and the whole journey was well,

600
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: I'll let her say it em.

601
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: Her mum gave us a different account sah, I didn't

602
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: want to cry because I didn't want her to see

603
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: me crying. But sometimes I would explode because it's hard

604
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: for your child to ask you for water, to ask

605
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: you for food, and you don't have any to be

606
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: in a place where you walk you walk from five

607
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: in the morning, it's five in the afternoon. You're walking,

608
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: you don't know what to do, going through more than

609
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: one hundred rivers and asking God not to rain and

610
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: not wanting it to get worse. It rained, and the

611
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: girl got a fever. She got a fever. But well,

612
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: God is good that we pray a lot. I say

613
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: that we don't know God so much in the church

614
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: from the process and the process that we are in,

615
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: and we don't know we can be so strong until

616
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: we go through that storm and we see that He

617
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: protext us. He knows that He was always there watching

618
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: over us, taking care of us at all times.

619
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: Parents being amazed at their children and drawing shrink from

620
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: them and their faith. It was a common message I

621
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: heard from migrants. He's a migrant from Zimbabwe telling me

622
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: how her daughter inspired her to keep going, but she

623
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: felt like she couldn't walk anymore.

624
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 12: My daughter, she was strong, she was strong, but she

625
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 12: was crying also, but she has got wounds all over

626
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 12: the body. Even me, I was crying myself. I was like,

627
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 12: I want to just put myself in the water, then

628
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 12: I can just go both. The gene was tough, really

629
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 12: really tough. The mountain, the stones, the river. It's not

630
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 12: easy at all. It's not very I don't even recommended

631
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 12: someone to say you used that and gave no And

632
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 12: even myself I did know about it. I was regretting myself.

633
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 9: I was crying.

634
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 12: I was like, God, I don't know my family and

635
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 12: my family they don't know where I am right now.

636
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: But like so many other migrants, when the government of

637
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: the world abandoned her, she found strength in the strangers

638
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: along the road who wouldn't abandon her.

639
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 12: We didn't even eat any thing, were just asking people,

640
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 12: can I have a piece of biscuit? They just help us.

641
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: That's nice. The other migrants helped you.

642
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 12: Yeah, the others.

643
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you think that they treat African people differently?

644
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 12: Very nice? The especially these Spanish people, they are very nice.

645
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 12: I don't want to lie because if you need help,

646
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 12: you call them for your Look. The other ones they

647
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 12: might run away, but the other ones, they just come

648
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 12: for help. They even give us tablets on the road,

649
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 12: give us energy, drinks, give my daughter a sweets for energy.

650
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 12: They push us like let's go, guys, let's call let's go.

651
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 12: You make it, and we really make it.

652
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: The journey over the mountains to Banama has become more

653
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: and more popular in recent years as other routes have

654
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 3: become more dangerous or closed themselves off to migrants entirely.

655
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: It's a route the Embira tell me that started with

656
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: people leaving India and then Haiti. It grew as conditions

657
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 3: in Venezuela became more unsustainable and people found themselves too

658
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 3: poor to stay home and too poor to travel north

659
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: by any other means, and so they chose a deadly

660
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: jungle over a future in a country where their votes

661
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: don't matter. Last year, as many as half a million

662
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: people cross the jungle. This year we might see more

663
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: migrants arriving about Jiguito spend the day in the village

664
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: before taking off in a piagua of their own up

665
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: to Lahas Blancas, the migrant reception center I mentioned earlier.

666
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: They registered with Panamanian Board Patrol known by the acronym

667
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: Cena Front, and they call their families to say they survived.

668
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: Then they try at their blistered feet, enjoy the cooking

669
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: of several of the families who have turned their homes

670
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: into sort of ersad's restaurants. They sleep on the floors

671
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: of the houses or underneath them charge their phones for

672
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: a dollar a time. Certainly migration has changed its town,

673
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: and I want to talk about that more in tomorrow's episode.

674
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: But despite more than a million people passing through this route,

675
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: you don't find anti migrant sentiment here. Right now, despite

676
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: the gap being a deadly de terrent, numbers are expected

677
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: to reach to Equil again this year, maybe seven hundred

678
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: thousand people will walk the gap. But despite these numbers,

679
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 3: which may seem high for a small country, I didn't

680
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: really find much anti migroant sentiment in Panama as a whole.

681
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: There's plenty of it in the US, though, and as

682
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: the United States winds down its war and terror, it

683
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: needs a new nebulous enemy to justify its military spending

684
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: and to keep the security in surveillance companies donate into

685
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: politicians in their millions. In part it is found that

686
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 3: by simply opening a floggate of weapons and funding, they

687
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: can spew forth genocide and death in Palestine and keep

688
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: some of its income streams. But it needs a more

689
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 3: long term solution. There are only so many Palestinian babies

690
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 3: that can balm, and we'll run out of Palestinians long

691
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: before we run out of bombs. The USA is new

692
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: enemy when it must seek out all over the world.

693
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: It's a migrant. It's a woman I met carrying her

694
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 3: child across the mountains. The little Venezuelan girl throwing bottle

695
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: caps into a cinder block with me to pass the

696
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: time as she asked me questions about America. It's a

697
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: twenty one year old man whose remains my friends found

698
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: in the border on a hot day this September. The

699
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: US will stop at nothing and fining and destroying the migrant,

700
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: and just as it did in the War on Terror,

701
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 3: it will find fast friends in states desperate to avail

702
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 3: themselves the seemingly unlimited flow of resources the US dedicates

703
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: to keeping its conflicts out of the sights and the

704
00:39:53,280 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: mines of its citizens. The USA's open hostility to migrants

705
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: isn't something that's unknown here. Everyone I met knew about it.

706
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: Several of them had watched with horror as Kamala Harris

707
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: and Donald Trump argued not about how to treat migrants

708
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: but about who could turn more of them away in

709
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: a recent presidential debate. Every migrant I met had questioned

710
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: about CBP, one about US asylum policy, and about how

711
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: they could get to the US before a second Trump administration.

712
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: Despite this, they all clung to their versions of the

713
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: American dream. They wanted to work and be paid a

714
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: fair wage, to send their kids to school and maybe

715
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: to college, to feel safe in their homes, and to

716
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 3: be able to speak and dress as they wished without

717
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: fearing consequences. All of those things are in periling this

718
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: country too, and they know that, but they still feel

719
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: their dreams are worth the journey. For Noami, the little

720
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 3: girl who took the daddy and in her stride, the American

721
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: dream was pretty simple. She wanted two things. To see

722
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: Minnie Mouse and to see her around. Why am I

723
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: gros estudia anymore? As to deer a deer? Every day

724
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: for the past two years, the population of Bajo Chikito

725
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: has more than tripled. At six in the morning, piraka

726
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 3: has come from other Embra villages along the river, dozens

727
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 3: of them, all filled with orange life jackets. Migrants form

728
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: a line so long that it stretches from the beach

729
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: north of town all the way through the village and

730
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: at the other side, and in groups of fifteen, they

731
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 3: hand over their twenty five dollars each and get onto

732
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 3: the piraguas. Each one puts on their bright orange life jacket,

733
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: sits with their legs around the person in front, and

734
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: they take off at the first official migrant reception center

735
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: in last blankets. As the last boat leaves, those who

736
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: can't afford the trip begin a walk which could take

737
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 3: eight hours. I couldn't walk with them, but I handed

738
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: to group my water filter in one of those overbright

739
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 3: energy bars that are basically trail mix in a rectangular format,

740
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 3: and wish them the best of luck as they force

741
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: their tired legs and sore feet to walk again. The

742
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 3: population of Barjaquito dropped back to five hundred or so

743
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: indigenous people who live here, and the usual background noise

744
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: of chattering dozens of languages gave way to crowing chickens

745
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 3: and barking dogs. By the next morning, as migrants came

746
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: walking in from the south, it would grow again to

747
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred. For the last ten years or so, fewer

748
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: than two thousand people crossed in a year, but numbers

749
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 3: have been steadily increasing, and now the resident of Bajo

750
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: Jiquito see the numbers that they saw in a year.

751
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: In a single weekend while you listen to this series,

752
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 3: thousands of people will take their lives into their hands

753
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: as they leap into mudcolored rivers, ascend towering mountains in

754
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 3: the pouring rain, and desperately fight the urge to drink

755
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: from a river polluted with human waste to decaying corpses.

756
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 3: All of those who survive will walk out of that jungle,

757
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: up the river bank, along a muddy path, and into

758
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: Bajo Chiquito, where they'll buy themselves a cold drink and

759
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: enjoy the hospitality of the locals for a night before

760
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: leaving to head north. At first, the locals told me

761
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: didn't charge people at all. They were shocked to see

762
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 3: the migrants and wanted to help them, But as numbers grew,

763
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: they had to start asking for money as they couldn't

764
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: afford to feed and house all the migrants arriving. Over time,

765
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 3: they said, the costs rose, and now a bed costs

766
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 3: about five dollars for a night, and a meal's about

767
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: the same. As they pointed out, that's less than half

768
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: what I paid in Meta Tea, the nearest town a metait.

769
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to haul its supplies up the river

770
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: in a canoe using seven dollars per gallon fuel in Bahjigito.

771
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 3: I sat down with oder man whose front room I

772
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: just had luncheon. I wanted to get a sent to

773
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: the change he'd seen over his lifetime in his community

774
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: and how he felt about it.

775
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 13: We saw how they arrived injured, sick, with vomiting diarrhea.

776
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 13: Then there was no healthcare here. What did we do?

777
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 13: We had to speak for the government. It wasn't easy.

778
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 13: It was not easy. We told him that we needed

779
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 13: a doctor, and finally, now, thank god, we have doctors here.

780
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: The community, which has long been socially and economically marginalized

781
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: and acutely underprovided with government services, had built a house

782
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: themselves for the doctors and another house for migration officials.

783
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: It was the only way to help migrants access services,

784
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 3: which in turn allowed them to move on with their

785
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: journeys quicker, he said. However, like almost every other ember

786
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: our person I spoke with, he felt that the government

787
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: should be doing more here. Even after all these years

788
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 3: serving as the first Panamanian village, many thousands of people

789
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: enter every year, they still don't have electricity or a

790
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: road that's successible year round, both of which would make

791
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: their lives and the transit of the migrants much safer.

792
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean the state's totally absent here. It

793
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: used to be possible for migrants to take a paragua

794
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: from come Galina little further south up river and avoid

795
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 3: some of the most dangerous river crossings. Bonio told me

796
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 3: that authorities in the Cormarca, which is like a state

797
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 3: in the USA, have prohibited this. I wanted to see

798
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: more of what was going on further south and what

799
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 3: made it so dangerous, but I wasn't permitted to join

800
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: a center front patrol going out that way despite my request.

801
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: I asked Bonnio what made things more dangerous than that

802
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 3: part of the river. First, he explained that the wide

803
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: and low lying beaches often seemed like good points for

804
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: migrants to sleep, but that any rain in the mountains above,

805
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: which result in a rapid increase for the water level,

806
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 3: turning those beaches into rapids in minutes, he told me,

807
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 3: looking down at the table. But not so long ago,

808
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: a storm had washed away sleeping migrants, drowning them in

809
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 3: their sleep and washing their remains towards his village. But

810
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: terrible as it is, that isn't the only risk.

811
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 9: What they say.

812
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 13: You know very well that there's not a single country

813
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 13: that does not have criminals. In every country, there are criminals. Yeah,

814
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 13: so what happens at that point in the river, as

815
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 13: I was saying, at that point, and clearly it is

816
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 13: not everyone, but there are some certain young men who

817
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 13: engage in robbery and even rape. So that's why in

818
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 13: this community, in this village, in coordination with the community

819
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 13: and the leaders, we will The leader spoke to the

820
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 13: national government to ask for a chance to transport people

821
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 13: from came Gaya so that nothing would happen to them.

822
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 13: The government talked and talked, and for a while it

823
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 13: was possible and it was safe, and nobody died and

824
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 13: nobody robbed. It was all going well. But what happened.

825
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 13: We have a leader at Casika. I don't know if

826
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 13: you've heard about it, but the regional leader he put

827
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 13: a barrier, he stopped it.

828
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 12: No.

829
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 13: Look, to be honest, these people with their degrees in

830
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 13: this classic person, they're not humanitarians.

831
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 3: Despite the struggles and the relative absence of the government

832
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: of rule, he felt that the migration had been a

833
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: positive for his community. He'd learned a lot from the migrants.

834
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: He said, and enjoyed learning about their cuisines. In particular,

835
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: there's a common narrative in media that mentions Boito that

836
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: this village has been somehow stripped of its culture or

837
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: ruined by migration, but the locals don't seem to agree

838
00:47:52,480 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 3: with this. I also speke to is leader. She's the

839
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: first woman in the whole con marker to hold such

840
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 3: a position.

841
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm chief of the community police and leader of the community.

842
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 3: She explained to me that Balji Guito was just one

843
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: of several communities along the river, each with its own leader.

844
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: Those leaders meet in the council, an answer to the

845
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 3: Comarca Mara anti di yact in over here. She also

846
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 3: explained that as the first woman in the position, she'd

847
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: made sure to advance the cause of women in her community.

848
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: So I've had my administration, which has been seven months

849
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: asnoko or leader, I have put some women to work.

850
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: They were waiting for the migrants.

851
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: There After that, I asked her to explain to listeners

852
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: what exactly a migrant encounters when they first set foot

853
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: in her village and the various steps that they might

854
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: go through before leaving the next morning.

855
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: Is there is a check in at first verification of

856
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: whether they have a crime in their country. From there

857
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: they got immigration, their documents are checked and then they

858
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: are free to choose where they're going to wait and

859
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: rest for the next part of their journey. On behalf

860
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: of UNISEF we have free toilets from the community. We

861
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: also have a free place where they can camp or rest.

862
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: That's theirs now. If they want better things better rest,

863
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: they can find accommodation available in almost every house here.

864
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: The next day we prepare everything at together with the

865
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: Center front security.

866
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 14: We go to the.

867
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: Beach there and at the beach we also coordinate with

868
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: a coordinator from each village. I also want to make

869
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: it clear as well that the boat driver must have

870
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: their idea and be of legal age.

871
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 3: From there, the migrants pay twenty five dollars ahead and

872
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: take the five hour boat trip north to Lahasblancas, which

873
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: is the UN and government run camp and the first

874
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 3: official migrant welcome center outside the dai N. Having boat

875
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 3: drivers who are of age is important. Can't swim trust

876
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: their lives to these boat drivers in high water. Once

877
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: they're at last Blankers, they're close to the Pan American

878
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 3: Highway and the beginning of the rest of their journey north.

879
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: They don't have to walk any further unless they run

880
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: out of money for buses. I asked what happened when

881
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 3: someone couldn't afford the right to last blankers?

882
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 15: Yes, then.

883
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: What does the community do? The community takes responsibility presending them,

884
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: not the state, the state migration center front. They don't

885
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: pay for the fuel or the transport of these people.

886
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: Specifically, she told me the community sends three free boats

887
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 3: to day. Most of these are filled of women and children,

888
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: and in my time there, it seemed that these people

889
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 3: paid whatever they could those leftover, usually men would have

890
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: to make the walk on their blistered feet and tired

891
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: legs and risk further sickness, robbery, and heat exhaustion. I

892
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: also wanted to ask a leader about the problems with

893
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: theft and sexual assault that the migrants encountered on their

894
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 3: walk into Bajo Jiquito, and she was pretty forthright this

895
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: was an issue for the state, not for her community

896
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: to fix.

897
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: Then where is Senafron. Aren't Centafrat supposed to be on

898
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: all the banks of the river, Yes, so where are

899
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: those staffs?

900
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: Despite being able to prevent the Embira from using their

901
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 3: boats on their river to transport migrants. The government at

902
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 3: any level above the village isn't really present in Bahjigitofront,

903
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 3: Panama's combined Border Patrol and military received migrants and register

904
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: them there, but all the services provided to the migrants

905
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: come either from the Emperor or from non governmental organizations.

906
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: This pattern of the state failing to provide basic services,

907
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 3: when Neil told me, is one that goes back a

908
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: long time before the migrants began arriving here.

909
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 13: So now, before the migrants began arriving here, we had

910
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 13: a town, a town that the government is supposed to

911
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 13: give what it has to give us as Panamanians, but

912
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 13: it doesn't. It was a town without anything. All we

913
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 13: did was sell our products and sell stuff here for us.

914
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 13: We grow rice, corn plantains, everything. Well, it was a lot,

915
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 13: but products that we grow are not enough to get by.

916
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: Even today in late twenty twenty four, the village doesn't

917
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: have mains electricity, nor does it have a connection to

918
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 3: telephone networks or a road that it can take year

919
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: round to connect it to the rest of the country.

920
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: And a few clean water taps in the town come

921
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: from UNICEF, not Panama City. Doctors here come from European NGOs,

922
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 3: and even the policing of the community is largely done

923
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: by the community, by a group called the Zara. And

924
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: never to better understand there but our communities, both with

925
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: and without migrants. I wanted to visit another Embero village

926
00:52:45,200 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 3: and after the break, we'll hear about that ring, all right.

927
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 3: So I'm just in my hammock now kind of the

928
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: end of the day. We were staying in another in

929
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: village today just probably, I mean, but it's a kilometer

930
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: two kilometers away, you know, probably a decent walk, but

931
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: it was pretty fast in the Agua. Just it's a

932
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: little more peaceful here. And a boat driver passed us

933
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: to stay his house. We said we would. You can

934
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 3: probably hear like, I don't know how much of this

935
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: is getting picked up. It's a nice little village, you know.

936
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: The fucking way to the dogs have stopped. I guess

937
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: when I wasn't in, I took a boat every evening

938
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: to Maraganti. Maraganti is only a couple of kilometers away

939
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: on a different branch of the river, but the walk

940
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: might take hours through a thick jungle. A Perraguero had

941
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 3: invited us to stay with his family and to see

942
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: another Inmbara village. I'm always down to sleep outside, so

943
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 3: I gladly accepted his invitation and slung my hammock across

944
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 3: his front porch after a long discussion on whether the

945
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 3: dynamic cordage I was using would actually hold my weight,

946
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 3: and on my part of probably ill advised free solo

947
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 3: onto the roof of his house to find a good

948
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: anchor point for my hammock. In my time in Maraganti,

949
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 3: I found myself growing fonder and fond of his little community.

950
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: Everyone's doors were open and the village's children enjoyed unsupervised

951
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 3: playtime everywhere. There was never not a pick up game

952
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: going on at the concrete football and basketball court, and

953
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 3: despite the fact that they were on average several feet

954
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 3: short than me and playing on concrete without shoes, local

955
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: kids humiliated me at a wide variety of sports with

956
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: no electricity of them generators, one Wi Fi connection in

957
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 3: the whole village as far as I can tell, and

958
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 3: a few hours to myself. In the evening, I happily

959
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: settled into a routine of washing in a river along

960
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: with everyone else in the hour before sunset, walking around

961
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 3: town chatting with the inhabitants, who seemed surprised but happy

962
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: to see a gangly British man ambling around their neighborhood

963
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 3: and petting their dogs. Once it got dark, I'd spend

964
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 3: my evening sitting in my hammer, because the grandchildren of

965
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: our host asked me how to say various things in English.

966
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 3: I played with the little toys I always bring along

967
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 3: in case I run into children on my work trips.

968
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: Being in Maragantine made me think a lot about my

969
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: own life and the US in general. I certainly have

970
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 3: a lot more possessions here, but my neighbors don't let

971
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: their kids run around in the streets, and cars would

972
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 3: hit them if they did. People in my community, if

973
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 3: the next door Wrapp is anything to go by, spend

974
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 3: seeing mely countless hours bitching about the unhoused in other

975
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: people's children. But here everyone had a roof over their heads,

976
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 3: and other people's children ran in and out my host's

977
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 3: kitchen without anyone batting an eyelid. Aside from laughing at

978
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: my paleness when I was washing in the river, nobody

979
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 3: here seemed that concerned that I was different. They let

980
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: me hold their babies while they cooked. They didn't overcharge

981
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 3: me for the It was a water of snacks that

982
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: I brought from their front room convenience stores. What seemed

983
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 3: that bothered about sharing their meals and their homes with me.

984
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: At night, we sat on tiny plastic chairs and talked

985
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 3: about our shared interest in woodwork and what they wanted

986
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: for their children. We talked about their boats and the river,

987
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 3: and about how terrible things must be for migrants to

988
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: risk their lives and abandon their homes making the journey

989
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 3: across these mountains that the Embrara and their Kuna neighbors

990
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 3: call home. Ever since I left their village, I've been

991
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 3: thinking a lot about the part of The Dawn of

992
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 3: Everything in which Grab and Wengrove detail how many indigenous

993
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 3: people were adopted into colonial society but chose to return

994
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 3: to their communities. How by settlers in indigenous communities often

995
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 3: chose to remain among the indigenous communities. I don't wish

996
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 3: to romanticize the very real struggles the Mbra have with

997
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: their economic marginalization and lack of access to basic services

998
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 3: compared to other Panamanians, But I just want to reflect

999
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 3: on the fact that there was something really special about

1000
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: the little river community, where dogs and chickens and ducks

1001
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: woke me up in the morning, little children welcome me

1002
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: back evening. They told me what they did at school,

1003
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 3: or just a little ball back and forth, and seemed

1004
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: entirely comfortable chatting to an adult from across the world.

1005
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 3: The people a Baho Jiqito have shown that same hospitality

1006
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 3: to migrants and indeed to me, and so I wanted

1007
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: to ask the village leader how migration had changed her community.

1008
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: Like everyone else I spoke to, she insisted that they

1009
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: had held on to important parts of their culture, which

1010
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: he illustrated by giving me a history lesson.

1011
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: Well, the town of Bajo Chikito was founded in nineteen

1012
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: sixty five. At first there were three families, the Vaparizo,

1013
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: the Rosales, the Chagos. They came here for education reasons.

1014
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: Before everyone lived on their own, the education came and

1015
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: that is why we grew this town.

1016
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 3: It was the education, she said, that had changed town,

1017
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: not the migrants. They have night school now for adults

1018
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 3: and a school for all the children with seven teachers.

1019
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 3: The children speak Emberbra and Spanish and have a chance

1020
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 3: to get more education in Metaiti or even in Panama City.

1021
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: Yes, it's dudo education, not because the migrants travel through here.

1022
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: Let this be clear, that is not because the migrants

1023
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: came here.

1024
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: Cly though, the perception of changing their community is a concern.

1025
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: She told me that a local woman marries what she

1026
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: called a Latino man, they can't live together in the village,

1027
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 3: and she wanted to make sure I knew that the

1028
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: children learn in Emberra as well as Spanish. They also

1029
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: still knew dances and ceremonies, Bloniolla told me. But some

1030
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 3: of the changes, she said, were positive, including one in

1031
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 3: gender relationship.

1032
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: That's an ongoing struggle. I'll say that to show that

1033
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: we women have the same capacity for thought creativity as men.

1034
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: We are fighting every day, and as you will see,

1035
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: it's not easy.

1036
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: One thing that surprised me was that the Emberra would

1037
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 3: always remind me that they themselves have been migrants. They

1038
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: migrated to Panama City sometimes, they said, and they have

1039
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: a little choice if they want postsec and education or

1040
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 3: higher level medical attention. Some of their kids even make

1041
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: the journey to the USA to study. What kind of

1042
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: hypocrites would they be, they said, if they look down

1043
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 3: on people making the same journey.

1044
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 13: I'm going to tell you that before the immigrants arrived here,

1045
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 13: within this community, we lived in the same way. I mean,

1046
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 13: we came from the countryside, we worked in agriculture, and

1047
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 13: we still continue working in the agriculture stuff, fishing, hunting

1048
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 13: and so on.

1049
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 3: We liked it a lot.

1050
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 13: Now after the immigrants started to come, we are still

1051
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 13: the same and it doesn't affect us having them within

1052
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 13: our community because they are they're people, they're humans. The

1053
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 13: journey that the immigrants make is out of need. It

1054
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 13: is in need. So really we too, for example, if

1055
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 13: we were to deal with problems like them, since we

1056
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 13: are just like them, we also have the right to

1057
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 13: emigrate as well.

1058
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 3: This is not the first influx of migration into Embra

1059
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: and Guna land. In fifteen oh one, a wave of

1060
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 3: undocumented immigration from Spain in the form of settler colonia

1061
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 3: like Francisco Balboa, arrived in the Guna and Embera territories.

1062
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 3: Ever since his Europeans first saw for themselves what the

1063
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 3: Embra already knew that this area was part of a

1064
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 3: narrow strip of land between two Great Oceans. People from

1065
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: around the world have been coming to what is now

1066
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: Panama as part of their journeys from north to south

1067
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 3: or east to west. The thin strip of land that

1068
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: joins the two American continents has been at the crossroads

1069
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 3: of the world for half a millennium. Archaeological digs in

1070
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 3: a region show that there were once roads, and that

1071
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 3: gold and jade came here from Afar. This ritinalization is

1072
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 3: one that Vasco Nunies de Balboa first encountered, and it

1073
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 3: was they who first told him that their land lay

1074
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 3: between two oceans. It was somewhere just to the south

1075
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: of where I was staying that exactly five hundred eleven

1076
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 3: years ago to the day, Barboa became the first European

1077
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 3: to set eyes upon the Pacific. Since Barbara, many other

1078
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 3: colonizers have come to Dabienne to pit their notions of

1079
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 3: superiority against the might of the rainforest. The Kingdom of

1080
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 3: Scotland sent a group of settlers here in the seventeenth century,

1081
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 3: mounted the side. This isn't a place with any similarity

1082
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 3: to Scotland, and it's easy enough to see why the

1083
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 3: plan failed, killed three out of four colonists and essentially

1084
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 3: bankrupted an entire nation in two years, forcing it into

1085
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 3: a colonial relationship with its own with its neighbor to

1086
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: the south. After the Scots left, having failed to create

1087
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 3: what they'd hoped would be a quote Scottish Amsterdam of

1088
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 3: the Indies and a Spanish found a flatter and easier

1089
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 3: connection between the Pacific and Caribbean. The Dadian region returned

1090
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 3: to its indigenous people, whose home it remains, but over

1091
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 3: the course of several hundred years, many empires have come

1092
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 3: to the dai En to die. The French tried to

1093
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: build a sea level callout not so far from here,

1094
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 3: the canal without locks, but they ultimately failed. The US

1095
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 3: tried in the eighteen fifties and eighteen seventies to forge

1096
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 3: a route to build a canal to get east coast

1097
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 3: Banks Acces to west coast Gold, before eventually finding an

1098
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 3: easy route further north. A century later, the US and

1099
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 3: Panama openly discussed dropping nuclear bombs on the jungle to

1100
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 3: make it passable and to allow the construction of a road.

1101
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 3: The US offered to shoulder two thirds at a cost

1102
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 3: of building such a road, and hoped to have the

1103
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 3: Pan American Highway completed in time for its nineteen seventy

1104
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: six by centennial, but the GAP's hostility in the growing

1105
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 3: environmental movement, as well as a desire to protect US

1106
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 3: livestock from a foot of mouth disease it's endemic in

1107
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 3: South America. One the day, the gap remained a gap

1108
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 3: latly without the influence of the state. In the nineteen seventies,

1109
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 3: a British Army expedition traversed to Dadien in two range rovers.

1110
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 3: Assisted by horses, parachute drop resupplies and a team of engineers,

1111
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 3: they crossed the jungle in ninety six days. They had

1112
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 3: to make their own bugnets for their horses out of

1113
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 3: the parachutes, so were used to drop corn cobs to

1114
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 3: the animals and rice for the humans. Expedition leader and

1115
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 3: seasons explorer, as well as possibly the most British Man

1116
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:56,919
Speaker 3: in history, Lieutenant Colonel John Blashford Snell wrote, without doubt

1117
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 3: it was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.

1118
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 3: Calling the daddi Enne a god forsaken place, the daddy

1119
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 3: Inn is one of the wettest places on the planet.

1120
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 3: A particularly cruel twist for that would be colonizers from Scotland.

1121
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 3: In the months before I came here, I spent hours

1122
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 3: trying to work out how to water proof my podcast equipment,

1123
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 3: and most of what you're hearing is recorded on a

1124
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 3: voice recorder that I sealed up with gasket maker, shoved

1125
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 3: inside a condom, inside a dry bag, inside a pelican case.

1126
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 3: This rain causes flash flooding, the kind which sweeps whole

1127
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 3: villages away. The rivers in the Gap onont Bridge largely

1128
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 3: because they simply wash away bridges after a storm. On

1129
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 3: our journey to Bahojigito, I saw the remains of bridges

1130
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 3: that had dared to try. That's why my hosts built

1131
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 3: their houses on stilts, and it's on those stilts that

1132
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 3: I slung my hammock in Maraganti. Ever since the failed

1133
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 3: Daddian scheme, the Gap has been constructed in the Western

1134
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 3: imagination as the deepest and darkest jungle. The Gap today

1135
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 3: is home to every type of malaria and numerous others diseases.

1136
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 3: There are deadly vipers, deadly spiders, big cats, and as

1137
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 3: if the natural threats were not enough, the US dropped

1138
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 3: bombs here in the Cold Wars test this destructive might

1139
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 3: against one of the few areas of the planet that

1140
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 3: hadn't been made amenable to capitalism. Many of them remain

1141
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 3: unexploded in the mountains. Certainly the physical geography of the

1142
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 3: Dallienne posted a challenge, but I would argue that the

1143
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 3: imaginative geography of the gap which is a greater impediment

1144
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 3: to travelers. In Spanish they call it the top on

1145
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 3: the Stopper. Local legend has it that the Spanish conquistado,

1146
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 3: one of the first to take his last breaths in

1147
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: the waters of Dallienne. Rivers carved to phrase into the rock,

1148
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: which is endured long after he expired. When you go

1149
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: to the dalli Ennes and trust yourself to Mary, for

1150
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 3: in her hands of the entrance and he gods the exit,

1151
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 3: it doesn't sound that different to the things I heard

1152
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 3: from migrants and in the modern day they'll tell you

1153
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 3: about the horrific tiktoks they saw before they enter the gap,

1154
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 3: and the decaying remains fellow travelers they saw as they

1155
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 3: passed through. Media reports in a Gap consistently referred to

1156
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: it as a nomad's land, but of course it's very

1157
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 3: much someone's land, the land of the indigenous people who

1158
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 3: have been here long before countries, borders or reporters. While

1159
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 3: it may have remained hostile to appolism in the state,

1160
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 3: and it can be deadly for unexperienced travelers. It's supported

1161
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 3: life for thousands of years. And a way to Bahjigito,

1162
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 3: I was reminded of just how comfortable my hosts were

1163
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: in a place where I felt so out of place.

1164
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 3: So as we were coming, we got caught in a

1165
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 3: huge range storm, just absolutely bucketing it down suddenly and

1166
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 3: pulled in to a little sort of or just a

1167
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 3: flat area of might really. I helped out to the

1168
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: boat and next thing I know, our boat guide ran

1169
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 3: into jungle, chopped some huge palm leaves down and brought

1170
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 3: them back to me to cover me in my bag. Well,

1171
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 3: the umber might have preserved their comfort and culture. It's

1172
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 3: undeniable that migrat should have made a huge economic impact.

1173
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 3: And fifty nine migrants left on one of the days

1174
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 3: I was able to get numbers from Senaflunt. Each of

1175
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 3: them paid twenty five dollars for pedagua, about ten dollars

1176
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 3: for food and lodging, and maybe Wi Fi and pread

1177
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 3: a few bucks more for clean clothes or a pair

1178
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 3: of off bran crops to let their feet heel from

1179
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 3: three days have been constantly wet. At a conservative estimate,

1180
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: that's a little more than thirty three thousand per day

1181
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 3: raughly the GDP per capita of Panama. That's a lot

1182
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 3: of money down here, especially for community which has been

1183
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 3: alienated and exploited for solo. Using this money, people have

1184
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 3: been closed the bottom floors of their homes to provide

1185
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: more space to house migrants. All around the village, they're

1186
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 3: building better homes. Some of them have satellite internet now

1187
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 3: or Starlink or bigger and more reliable generators. This money

1188
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 3: has been spread around the Amberak communities in the area,

1189
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 3: and every morning each of them sent pedaguas to transport

1190
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 3: the migrants, as almost sixty a needed every day. Rolling

1191
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 3: out of Madaganti at five in the morning as almost

1192
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: the entire adult male population of the village joined us

1193
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 3: in a huge flatilla of two stroke smoke dugout canoes

1194
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 3: and the morning mists still sat in the river was

1195
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 3: an incredible experience and this is doubtless an industry for

1196
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 3: the whole area.

1197
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 16: Now.

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01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 3: If Molino Majorcas ever successfully stops migration here, it will

1199
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 3: be a massive economic detriment to the people, already marginalized

1200
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 3: for centuries. But despite the economic benefits, the people of

1201
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 3: Maragante doesn't seem to want to become like Bahajiguito. On

1202
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 3: our last day there, as we set off back towards

1203
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 3: the dirt road to the borders, here we saw that

1204
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 3: they were building little cabins outside of town. These they

1205
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 3: said were for the migrants. They wanted the migrants to

1206
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 3: be safe and their community to stay the same. They

1207
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 3: might not be able to sell meals to the migrants

1208
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 3: this way, or charge and for Wi Fi or phone charging,

1209
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 3: but they will be able to live a little more peacefully.

1210
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 3: Yamba have gone out of their way to ensure migrant safety.

1211
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 3: They're the ones who mandate life jackets, and the ones

1212
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 3: who build a house for doctors, and they're the ones

1213
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 3: who send free boats for women and children. Of course

1214
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 3: they have an economic incentive to do this, but there

1215
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 3: nearly a week living with them, I didn't hear them

1216
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 3: bad mouth for migrants, and nor did I hear the

1217
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 3: migrants complain about the way they were treated in the

1218
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 3: village of barj Juquito. But before they get to the

1219
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 3: village of Barjuquito, migrants aren't safe, and if you ask them,

1220
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 3: they'll tell you it's indigenous people who are robbing and

1221
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 3: threatening them. Deeper into the jungle. Undoubtedly, robbery, sexual assault

1222
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 3: a murderer not uncommon. In the Daddy and Gap. You

1223
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 3: can hear anecdotes of these on a daily basis in

1224
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 3: ba Juquito, and some of the stories I heard and

1225
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 3: things I saw are among the most horrific experiences I've

1226
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 3: had in years of reporting on pretty terrible things. I

1227
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 3: haven't included a great many of them here because I

1228
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 3: think it's hard for people to meaningfully consent in those

1229
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 3: kinds of circumstances. But yesterday you heard about the human

1230
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 3: remains that almost everyone featured in this series had to

1231
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 3: walk past. This is a problem that's getting worse, not better.

1232
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 3: In just one week in February, medisanten Fontierre, the NGO

1233
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 3: that Americans called Doctors without Borders, treated one hundred and

1234
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 3: thirteen people, including nine children, after they were sexually assaulted

1235
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 3: by criminal groups in a Darienne. This number is close

1236
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 3: to one hundred and twenty people treated during the whole

1237
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: of January. These figures are double the monthly average tree

1238
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three, when six hundred and seventy six

1239
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 3: people were treated for the whole year. As you heard before,

1240
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 3: this is a problem that people in the community sometimes acknowledge,

1241
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 3: and as a village leader mentioned, it's one that could

1242
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 3: be solved as the state would live up to its

1243
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 3: obligation to protect migrants within its borders. The leader also

1244
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 3: shares me that the community has its own punishment mechanisms.

1245
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: The place of punishment is the stocks. Three days ago,

1246
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: someone behaved very badly and we had to put them

1247
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: in the stocks. The man who mistreats women, we also

1248
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: put in the stocks. The woman who gossips, we also

1249
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: put her in the stocks.

1250
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 3: What she's talking about here is stocks in the old

1251
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 3: fashioned sense, not in the Wall Street bet sense. We

1252
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 3: actually saw someone chatting them one day with their ankles

1253
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 3: locked in place. We didn't ask what they did, how

1254
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 3: long they were there, as it seems difficult again to

1255
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 3: consent to an interview when you're literally pinned in place.

1256
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 3: But this kind of punishment comes from the community, not

1257
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 3: the stick. Aside from these punishments, the community hasn't done

1258
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 3: much to stop things happening in the jungle, and I'm

1259
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 3: not sure if it's really able to. They're Panamanian, they say,

1260
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 3: in the States responsible for the safety of migrants when

1261
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 3: it's borders, and while it does send center front patrols

1262
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 3: into jungle. The state doesn't appear to be doing much

1263
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 3: protect migrants of sexual assault, robbery or murder. Early this year,

1264
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 3: the state did take decisive action to eject Made Saint

1265
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 3: san Fentier after not reviewing their permission to work in

1266
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 3: the Darienne. This is quite a challenging permission to obtain,

1267
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 3: even as a solo journalist. It took months for me

1268
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 3: to get mine, forcing me to rebook my flight several times.

1269
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 3: I had various explanations for why MSF were not allowed

1270
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 3: to keep working. I couldn't get an official response, but

1271
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 3: it's probably worth noting that they published a report headlined

1272
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 3: lack of action, she's sharp rise in sexual violence on

1273
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 3: people transiting the dari Enne Gap on the twenty ninth

1274
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 3: of February, and they refused permission to remain in the

1275
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: region in the first week of March. MSF was allowed

1276
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 3: to return in October of this year and wouldn't comment

1277
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 3: further than the following statement, which they emailed me in

1278
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 3: mid October. In October of twenty twenty four, MSF resumed

1279
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 3: medical and humanitarian activities at Lahas Blanca's migration Reception center,

1280
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 3: located at the edge of the dai in jungle. After

1281
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 3: Panamanian authorities approved a three month medical intervention. MSF welcomes

1282
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 3: its decision and advocates to collaborate closely with Panama's Ministry

1283
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,839
Speaker 3: of Health to provide comprehensive medical care to migrants crossing

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Speaker 3: this route, as well as to the local population of

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Speaker 3: the area. Right now, UNICEF med Saint Dumont Corporate and

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01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 3: Espanola and the Red Cross are helping migrants in Bauciquito.

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01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 3: UNICEF in salt showers and toilets, Global Brigades in unifests

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 3: provided taps and drinking water, and the medical endeos provide healthcare,

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01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 3: which is fighting saving lives and providing survivors of sexual

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01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,759
Speaker 3: assault with medical care in a seventy two hour window

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Speaker 3: where it can be most beneficial. It's worth noting that

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Speaker 3: most migrants too are sexually assaulted won't stay depressed charges.

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01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 3: I know of one case of sexual assault of a

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01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 3: child while I was there, but the family wanted to

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01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,839
Speaker 3: continue their journey and so the charges won't be pressed.

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Speaker 3: This makes it very hard to ascertain how many cases

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01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 3: a sexual assault there are in a dai and every year,

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01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 3: aside from through medical reports from NGOs, and those only

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Speaker 3: include the people who make it to ba alahas blancats.

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Speaker 3: The numbers are clearly high, and it's a fear that

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01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 3: many migrants a articulated to me. In the jungle, they're

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01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 3: their most vulnerable, they said. Most people robbed, they tell me,

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01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 3: held by armed attackers carrying guns and machetes. But once

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 3: a migrants set foot in Baju Jiqito, they're momentarily safe

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,799
Speaker 3: from rory and assault. For the first time in days.

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01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 3: They can sleep without worry being attacked or washed away,

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01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 3: and the rest of their journeys north they'll face set

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01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 3: threat again, but that's not what's on their mind. When

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Speaker 3: they enter town. All they want is a cold drink

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01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 3: and a warm meal and a chance to rest their

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01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 3: aching feet. It's the chance that they have thanks to

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01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 3: the Ambra people who receive them there. And I want

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01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 3: to end with Buono and his reflection on the suffering

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01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 3: people endure on their way to eat rice and plantain

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Speaker 3: in his little front room cafe.

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Speaker 13: Truly, the migrants on this route are not here because

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01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 13: they want to be. They are here because the economy

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01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 13: and their countries is terrible or something. Everything is going

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01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 13: badly on their countries. How can we mistreat them knowing

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01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 13: that we won't not us never. This is a belief

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01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 13: that we have. We are all children of God. God

1322
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 13: made the world and humanity, and we are not that different.

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01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 13: We are all brothers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the journey is dangerous, but what can we do.

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01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: We can't stay in a country where the economy is

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01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 2: getting worse and worse. With a salary of three dollars

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01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: a month, you can't survive. Like my friend said, if

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01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: you have a job in other countries, maybe you can

1329
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 2: invest some money. But where are you going to get

1330
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 2: the money to invest? If before you had a salary

1331
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 2: that fed you paid for your car, your house and

1332
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 2: your children to enjoy it all with. And now you

1333
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 2: can't even afford to put gas in the car. So

1334
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 2: it's true. Yeah, the darien is dangerous, but nothing is impossible.

1335
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 2: We walk hand in hand with God and with the

1336
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 2: faith that we will get there. But that doesn't mean

1337
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 2: it isn't difficult. But I'll say it again, it's not impossible.

1338
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 2: You suffer, you cry, you go hungry cold, but thank

1339
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 2: God we made it through.

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01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 3: Put around the Toquesa River, the jungle rumbles quat as

1341
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: you pass by on your boat, insects, frogs, and birds

1342
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 3: all combined to make a sort of deep throbbing that

1343
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 3: emanates from the darkness between the trees. It seems at

1344
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 3: wants to be calling you in and warning you to

1345
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 3: stay away. I've been in the jungle before, in the

1346
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 3: Rwanda Congo borderlands and in Venezuela, but I've never really

1347
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 3: felt the sense of foreboding I did as we rode

1348
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 3: down the river, protected only by our hollow log, looking

1349
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 3: into the triple canopy forest, and knowing that if I walked

1350
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 3: long enough in the shadows, I'd be confronted with the

1351
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 3: remains of people I might have interviewed if it hadn't

1352
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 3: been for a rolled ankle, a slippery rock, or a

1353
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 3: desperate sip of water. To understand what drives people to

1354
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 3: enter the jungle with their children and their dreams, I

1355
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 3: think we also have to understand what drives them to

1356
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 3: leave wherever they're living. And that's what I want to

1357
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 3: talk about today. The story of migrants crossing the Daddy

1358
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 3: and Gap is an American one. It's impossible to disentangle

1359
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 3: the people making this dangerous journey from the history of

1360
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 3: support for dictatorship sanctions, an imperial plunder that ties to

1361
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 3: the United States to its American brothers and sisters in

1362
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 3: the South. Sometimes I play a game with myself at

1363
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 3: the border where I try and meet people from all

1364
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 3: the countries named in Washington bullets in a single day.

1365
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 3: Since Biden bungled the Afghanistan withdrawal, it's become a lot easier,

1366
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 3: but Tibet can be hard. For two hundred years since

1367
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 3: President Monroe gave his State of the Union address in

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01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 3: December eighteen twenty three, the US has seen the Western

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01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 3: hemisphere is its sphere of influence. While is opposed old

1370
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 3: fashioned colonialism, it has used less avert methods of control,

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01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 3: as well as avert military force across the hemisphere. For

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01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 3: much of the last century, it supported and installed dictators

1373
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 3: who would prevent what it saw as a threat of

1374
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 3: state socialism in its sphere of influence, and allowed them

1375
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 3: to create economic and political climates that were unsurvivable for

1376
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 3: the majority and extremely profitable for US based corporations. The

1377
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:46,440
Speaker 3: direct result of this policy has been economic insecurity, political instability,

1378
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 3: and state violence across South and Central America, resulting in

1379
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 3: people making the very natural humor decision to flee to

1380
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 3: somewhere safer. As in so many other empires, they've made

1381
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 3: the choice to lead a destabilized colonial periphery. Safety and

1382
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 3: stability in the metropol for more than a century. Money

1383
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: and good to be able to travel seamlessly up and

1384
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 3: down the continent, but people have not. The bananaread for

1385
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 3: breakfast this morning made the journey in a few days,

1386
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 3: but people take months, if not years, pay thousands of dollars,

1387
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 3: climb mountains, forded rivers, and risk their lives on trains

1388
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 3: and buses that cost a lot more than the flights

1389
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 3: I took to Panama, but offer considerably less comfort and safety.

1390
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 3: As climate change has have greater impacts, more and more

1391
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 3: people are forced to leave their homes of their livelihoods

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01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 3: become less sustainable. The Guna, the indigenous people of the

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01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 3: Panamanian coast in an area called Guna Yala, are having

1394
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 3: to withdraw from some of their islands because of sea

1395
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,560
Speaker 3: level rise. Right now, agriculture across the world is increasingly

1396
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 3: threatened by extreme weather and rising temperatures, and Orotionans are

1397
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 3: less able to sustain life than they once were due

1398
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 3: to pollution and overfishing, forced to leave their homes as

1399
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 3: people have been for millennia by weather patterns changing people

1400
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 3: head to places that have a want caused much of

1401
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 3: the ear issue, and tried to insulate themselves from its consequences.

1402
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 3: Their American dreams are modest to overcome the crippling low paid.

1403
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 3: They received a home to bring their children up in

1404
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 3: a place where they have a good chance of surviving

1405
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 3: their twenties, to work and get paid enough to get by.

1406
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 3: They want to be able to protest and not get

1407
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 3: a shot, and to look forward to the future, not

1408
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 3: fear it. These aren't guaranteed in the USA, and as

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01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 3: many of you listening will know, it can be hard

1410
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 3: for us to make ends meet here as well. But

1411
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 3: despite what you see on social and legacy media, things

1412
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,600
Speaker 3: are unlikely to become as bad here as they are

1413
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 3: in Venezuela, Cameroon or Iran anytime soon. I've lived in Venezuela,

1414
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:41,480
Speaker 3: specifically in the formerly Javista neighborhood of La Pastora in Caracas,

1415
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 3: and I've seen how hard it is for my friends

1416
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 3: who still live there, even for people with no other disadvantages,

1417
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 3: making rent and feeding your family can be a challenge.

1418
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 3: That's part of why Venezuelan people make up the majority

1419
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 3: of the folks. I met men Daddy in so much

1420
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,520
Speaker 3: so that I'd slip back into using Venezuelan slang in Spanish,

1421
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 3: and after a few days of seeing the same people

1422
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 3: engaging in the kind of friendly mockery and banter that

1423
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 3: I remember well from Caracas, mostly the super form of

1424
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 3: asking them why they crossed Daddy and gap in Man

1425
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 3: United shirts or worse yet, in a Chelsea shit. It's

1426
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 3: important to steal moments of humor in these difficult times,

1427
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 3: to laugh a little among all the suffering, and that's

1428
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 3: something people in Venezuela have done very well for a

1429
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 3: very long time. But despite their humor, I could tell

1430
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 3: the journey had a serious impact on the people I

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01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 3: spoke to.

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01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 13: You have to go through a lot, a lot of jungle,

1433
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 13: a lot of hills. There are people, there are dead

1434
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 13: people on the road, so it's something you cannot really explain.

1435
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 13: It's complicated because everything can be explained in a fashion,

1436
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 13: but it's not the same as living it. It's insanity

1437
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 13: three four days with that food and nothing. One thing

1438
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 13: is to live it. Explaining it, talking about it. That's different.

1439
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 13: It's hard to put into words.

1440
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 3: This intere is. When I conducted with one group of

1441
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 3: Venezuelan migrants with my voice recorder in the chest pocket

1442
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 3: of my shirt and whatever bags let me carry in

1443
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 3: my hands, we walked it on the last part of

1444
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 3: the trail, discussing what they'd seen. For a while, we

1445
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 3: joked a little. One guy had crossed it at man

1446
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 3: United Ship. I told him about the team and the

1447
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 3: universe was dislike non Menu fans have for Menu fans.

1448
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 3: Then after a while they opened up more about their

1449
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 3: experiences they had. They said, seen deputies and they couldn't

1450
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 3: stop thinking about what happened if they'd fallen, and they

1451
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 3: wanted to know how when if the dead people's family

1452
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 3: would ever find out.

1453
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 17: The family waits for that person to come out to

1454
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 17: hear that they made it, because if not, who's going

1455
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 17: to let you know? There's no signal and nobody's going

1456
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 17: to grab the body, and you're not going to carry

1457
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 17: them out. The person stays there and eventually years and

1458
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 17: years go by and the family won't know where they

1459
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 17: are or how they died. Those are the sort of

1460
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 17: things that one doesn't expect to see and it makes

1461
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,759
Speaker 17: you just want to hurry past. Not that you wouldn't

1462
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 17: want to get the documentation from the body and deliver

1463
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 17: it and tell them how this person that passed away?

1464
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 17: But how dare you just go grabbing a dead body.

1465
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 3: Venetuinan elections were held on the twenty eighth of July

1466
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 3: this year. Venezuelan presidents have a six year term and

1467
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 3: the incumbllent de Corlas Maduro has been in office since

1468
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 3: twenty thirty. And let the Venezuelan people I met introduce

1469
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 3: themselves and explain the result of the election. Now there's

1470
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 3: a bit of background noise here, but that's because we

1471
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 3: were walking on the trails. And it's hard to Avoidezuela.

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01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 2: I am coming from Venezuela, migrating through the jungle for

1473
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 2: a better future for me and my children. I'll tell

1474
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 2: you it's hard, but it's not impossible. No, that was

1475
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 2: electoral fraud. And I tell you what, one day, you

1476
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: just have to leave.

1477
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 3: Moduro was opposed by Ajuardo Gonzalez, an obviously candidate who

1478
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 3: represented a wide coalition increating groups on the left and right.

1479
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 3: While Maduro might have support among Western socialists and even communists.

1480
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 3: The actual Venezuelan Communist Party's youth organization formed part of

1481
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 3: the Popular Democratic Front that opposed him. Despite poul watchers

1482
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 3: telling a massive victory for the opposition, Moduro controls the

1483
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 3: National Lecture Council, I proclaimed himself the victor. People protested,

1484
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 3: and Moduro responded with bullets. Gonzales fled to the Dutch

1485
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 3: and then the Spanish embassy, and later claimed asylum in Spain,

1486
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 3: where his family lived. But for regular working class Venezuelan's

1487
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,919
Speaker 3: there's no option to hop on a flight to safety. Instead,

1488
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 3: they have to begin the long walk north. As many

1489
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 3: Venezuelans I spoke to told me, in addition to the

1490
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 3: electoral fraud, Venezuela is undergoing an economic collapse. At least

1491
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 3: an the Chavis. They said most people could eat. When

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01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 3: I lived in La Pastora, I was able to access

1493
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 3: medical care from Cuban doctors. Now they say things have

1494
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 3: become unsurvival.

1495
01:22:44,000 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 15: Garlindo, So you're Venezuela monte pero. When Jake Venezuela.

1496
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 13: Well, I would say that Venezuela, you know, yeah, you

1497
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 13: can live, but not on a minimum wage. I would

1498
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 13: say that, for example, working independently in an independent business.

1499
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 13: Maybe you can live good, but working and surviving for

1500
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 13: a minimum wage, no, the truth is that it doesn't work,

1501
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 13: and that's serious. Things are still bad with the new

1502
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 13: elections and the new government. Everything is ugly.

1503
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1504
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 13: The streets of Caracas are full of protests. Every day.

1505
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 13: People went out to protest. Sometimes they shoot people. The

1506
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 13: government mistreats people. But if you can live with it,

1507
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 13: and you can live with it it's ugly. Well, that

1508
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 13: is why we left there for a better future, and

1509
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,879
Speaker 13: we'll keep moving onward onward.

1510
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 3: This group were young men traveling in advance to their families,

1511
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 3: hoping to end some money, save it up, and send

1512
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 3: it home. They knew what they were getting into when

1513
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 3: they go to the USA. The migrants through to end

1514
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 3: it paid. I might struggle to make ends meet, but

1515
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 3: they still thought it was better than staying home and

1516
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 3: watching your children's future disappear.

1517
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 17: If you don't have papers, you don't have a work permit,

1518
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 17: you have to work for it. They want to pay you,

1519
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 17: not for what you demand or anything.

1520
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 3: I met lots of Venezuelan families with children who had

1521
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 3: different illnesses or disabilities. Things they couldn't obtain or afford

1522
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 3: treatment for In Venezuela, they were traveling to the US

1523
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 3: in the hopes of finding a better future for their kids,

1524
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 3: or any future at all. I met young men who

1525
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,719
Speaker 3: left their children behind but carried the children of strangers,

1526
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 3: even those with whom they didn't share a language. Christian,

1527
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 3: who he heard from earlier, showed me how he'd carried

1528
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 3: someone else's child on his shoulders until he fell and

1529
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 3: hurt his knee. We all help.

1530
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 13: I put little children up here on my shoulders to

1531
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 13: carry them, but it isn't easy.

1532
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 3: In the jungle, they'd formed chains using their arms to

1533
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 3: cross rivers and carried little children on those who couldn't swim.

1534
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 3: In Barjiquito, sera group of men from Angola, receiving hugs

1535
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 3: from Venezuela and women they'd helped in the jungle without

1536
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,560
Speaker 3: the help of the Angolans, said that children wouldn't have

1537
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 3: made it. One slip or a loss of grip, they

1538
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 3: told me, would be fatal, and the remains of those

1539
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 3: who had done just that served as a grisly reminder. Later,

1540
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 3: little boys maybe eight to ten years old gleefully recounted

1541
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 3: seeing a dead body on which the head had quote

1542
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 3: exploded while their parents winked. In recollection, I wanted to

1543
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 3: understand a bit more of what they were fleeing. That

1544
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 3: made it worth getting through all this.

1545
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 15: You're dan Venezuela.

1546
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 18: Well, I left Venezuela because I worked in fishing. But

1547
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 18: right now, in Venezuela, despite the fact that it is

1548
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 18: a country rich and oil, there's not enough gasoline for

1549
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 18: the fishermen to go fishing. And since I did not

1550
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 18: have the ability to even buy basic things such as food,

1551
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 18: the situation was, well, it was a little complicated. I

1552
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 18: had to immigrate. I had nothing else to do. They

1553
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 18: didn't rob me, well, they were going to rob me

1554
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 18: because I didn't have anything to steal. We passed by

1555
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 18: and the group that was behind us got robbed. They

1556
01:25:58,479 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 18: raped women in that group.

1557
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 3: Almost every Venezuelan migroan I spect to share a similar story.

1558
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 3: One said he'd installed security cameras, but nobody could afford

1559
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 3: them now, as they had to choose between rent and

1560
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 3: groceries or medical procedures that they needed but couldn't afford.

1561
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 3: Overwhelmingly they said the same thing. No aifulturo, there's no future.

1562
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 3: One group said to me that they couldn't wait for

1563
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 3: their country to become like Cuba, as decades of embargos

1564
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,560
Speaker 3: took their toll on the population. But others reminded me

1565
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 3: in them that Lisa Cubans seemed to have doctors. Venezuela

1566
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 3: has an eighty percent poverty right now. Though it sits

1567
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 3: on one of the largest oil reserves of any country

1568
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 3: on Earth. It's been plagued by planmmeting oil prices in

1569
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 3: the years of hyperinflation, which got so bad at one

1570
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 3: point the shots stopped putting price tags on things and

1571
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 3: relied on staff to give up to the minute prices. Today,

1572
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 3: alongside a regime that lacks legitimacy, a state that readily

1573
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 3: uses horrific violence against his people, an election that was

1574
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 3: essentially ignored, Venezuelans must also deal with shortages of basic goods, poverty,

1575
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 3: and malnutrition. And like Cubans who have a relatively good

1576
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 3: political lobby in the USA, Venezuelan's coming to the USA

1577
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 3: do not benefit from special laws. Cubans under the Cuban

1578
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 3: Adjustment Act have a part of the citizenship and permanence

1579
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 3: once they set foot on US soil. Venezuelans do not.

1580
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 3: They're covered by something called a temporary protected status, but

1581
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 3: this does not afford them much in the way of stability,

1582
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:23,799
Speaker 3: protection or a secure future. Erekapinhidro of Valatolado, an incredible organization,

1583
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 3: does valuable work with migrant legal aid advocacy and humanitarian relief,

1584
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 3: explaining just how temporary a TPS is.

1585
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 16: So temporary protected status is it's basically a form of

1586
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 16: protecting individuals who are already in the United States when

1587
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 16: their countries have experienced a natural disaster, they are in war,

1588
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 16: there's some kind of situation going on that makes it

1589
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 16: difficult for them to return, and so temporary protected status

1590
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:58,440
Speaker 16: was first created in nineteen ninety and the first individuals

1591
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 16: who receive the status we're from El Salvador. And since then,

1592
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 16: I think there's been a few dozen countries that have

1593
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 16: been designated. But basically the way it works is they

1594
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 16: designate a country and so if you were in the

1595
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 16: United States before that designation date, you can apply for

1596
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:20,679
Speaker 16: temporary protected status within you know, a designated time period,

1597
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 16: and you get a work permit. It's valid for six,

1598
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 16: twelve or eighteen months, and then two months before it expires.

1599
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 16: The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security has to

1600
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 16: say whether or not they're going to reauthorize GPS. So

1601
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 16: there's like eight hundred and sixty thousand people in the

1602
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 16: US who have temporary protected status and it's not a

1603
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 16: path of citizenship. So basically people are just in limbo

1604
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 16: sometimes for decades, you know. They just have to reapply

1605
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 16: for this permit every eighteen months. So I have quite

1606
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 16: a few salvador and friends who in the United States

1607
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 16: since the nineties. They have kids, some of them acquirrent

1608
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 16: kids who are US citizen and they can't become permanent

1609
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 16: residents or have a pass of citizenship didn't. Most they

1610
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 16: leave the country and either come back with another type

1611
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 16: of parole or apply through a consulate, which many of

1612
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 16: them are just not willing to take that risk.

1613
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 3: What makes things even more complicated for the Venezuelans is

1614
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 3: that many of them are traveling without documents. It costs

1615
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 3: three hundred bucks to get a passport, they told me,

1616
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,759
Speaker 3: and the weight's considerable. This makes their journeys even harder

1617
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 3: as every country the enter has to approve them to

1618
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 3: or without a passport, getting a visa, they said, would

1619
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 3: be nearly impossible, and just trying might result in the

1620
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 3: government coming after them. Such things, they said, are reserved

1621
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 3: for the wealthier citizens, people like Gonzales, who's asylum claim

1622
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 3: and stays at the Dutch and Spanish embassies, and who's

1623
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 3: right to join his family in exile, are all luxuries

1624
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 3: that most of his country people can't expect. It's dead.

1625
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 3: Most Venezualians must ride basses through Columbia, then walk north

1626
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 3: through the jungle buses, stir away on trains, or walk

1627
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 3: again all the way to the border. They all lamented

1628
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 3: to Dadian crossing, and so they wouldn't advise it without

1629
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 3: other options. They all made it anyway. Community. See, they don't.

1630
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 17: Because unfortunately we don't have much in our country. You

1631
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 17: don't have another option when you're dying of hunger and

1632
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 17: you don't have a future. You can't even study. So yeah,

1633
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 17: it's worth it.

1634
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 3: The economic situation is dire in Venezuela. Many families can't

1635
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 3: make ends me their currency is almost worth us, and

1636
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 3: the majorid government seems to have successfully installed itself for

1637
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 3: the foreseeable future. This will mean a continuation of embargoes

1638
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 3: and sanctions, which will harm the people more than the regime. Sadly,

1639
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 3: though economic hardships not a criteria for which one could

1640
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 3: be granted asylum in the USA.

1641
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 16: His Erica again, so severe economic deprivation can be persecution

1642
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,799
Speaker 16: if it's linked to one of the other protected grounds,

1643
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 16: so race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a

1644
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 16: particular social group.

1645
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 3: So, for example, if.

1646
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 16: Someone participated in anti Moduro political activity and then we're

1647
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 16: blocked from getting a job or just denied economic opportunities

1648
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 16: to the point where they're starving, economic deprivation could count

1649
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 16: as persecution, but it's a very difficult case to make

1650
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:38,679
Speaker 16: in the United States. In Mexico, you can get protection

1651
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 16: based on generalized conditions in your country, and so you know,

1652
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 16: Venezuelans tweeing economic collapse or even Central Americans fleeing extreme

1653
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 16: violence have a much easier time beating protection in Mexico

1654
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 16: than they would in the United States because of that

1655
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 16: kind of extra category of protection in Mexico. The issue

1656
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 16: with Mexico is just the very limited capacity of this

1657
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 16: asylum system overall, and the very dangerous conditions in which

1658
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 16: people are forced to wait while their cases are adjudicated.

1659
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 3: Going forward from the Dadian, they'll face an enormously difficult journey.

1660
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 3: The US does have a program for Cubans, Venezuelans, Haitians,

1661
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 3: and Nicaraguans, then in theory allows them to apply, be

1662
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 3: pre approved and fly straight to the USA, but it's

1663
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 3: so delayed and broken. It's just not an option for

1664
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 3: people who barely have enough money for food, let learn

1665
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 3: a plane ticket there.

1666
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 16: HMV program is for cubanations, nick Garaguins, Venezuelans who have

1667
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 16: not crossed into Panama or Mexico in the past few years.

1668
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 16: You do not qualify who've done that or have not

1669
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 16: been interdeed at see if they're Haitian or Cuban. You

1670
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 16: have to have a sponsor in the United States who

1671
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,720
Speaker 16: have some kind of legal status. You have to be

1672
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 16: able to pay for the flight, you have to have

1673
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 16: a passport, and you have to be able to wait

1674
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,839
Speaker 16: forever long it takes for your application to be approved.

1675
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 16: And the Department of Homeland Security just announced that they

1676
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 16: are not renewing parole for people who are already in

1677
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 16: the United States. So people from those four countries who

1678
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 16: were in the US had up to two years of

1679
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 16: humanitarian parole which is not being renewed, so they either

1680
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 16: would need to apply for something else, or go back

1681
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 16: to their country, or just, I guess, stay in the

1682
01:33:24,640 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 16: United States undocumented until their cody.

1683
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 3: Had the same orly hundreds of times that week, sometimes

1684
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 3: off mike and sometimes on mike, sometimes holding my voice

1685
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 3: recorder and notebook, sometimes just sitting on the ground or

1686
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 3: walking on the trail or enjoying a bottle of cold

1687
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 3: water in Bahjigito, Crippling poverty and bad governance in their

1688
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 3: country made it difficult to see a future there. They

1689
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,759
Speaker 3: wanted better for their children, so they brought them across

1690
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 3: the mountains and risked their lives in the jungle to

1691
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 3: give them a chance in life. I prepared a lot

1692
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 3: for this trip, and I tried to search for everything

1693
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 3: had my experience on the internet. But one thing I

1694
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 3: really didn't expect to learn in the jungle is just

1695
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 3: how much it's possible for parents to love their kids.

1696
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 3: I watched exhausted mothers hoist their babies onto their shoulders

1697
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 3: to keep walking, and somehow come up with a story

1698
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 3: that made the whole thing an adventure, not a tragedy,

1699
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 3: then did the same thing again the next day without

1700
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 3: sleeping or eating. I watched fathers carefully lay out their

1701
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 3: sleeping mac so the children could rest while they tried

1702
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 3: to do the same on the dirt or hardwood floors

1703
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 3: every day as their savings grew lower and they outlooked

1704
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 3: more bleak, watch parents try to smile for their kids.

1705
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 3: The sacrifices I saw them make, starving for days to

1706
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 3: give their kids something to eat, or spending their last

1707
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 3: remaining dollar on clean clothes for their kids while they

1708
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 3: walked barefoo and couldn't afford shoes really brought home for

1709
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 3: me the desire these families had for better future and

1710
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 3: the sacrifices they're willing to make for one. Another week later,

1711
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 3: it's still hard for me to accept that I'm home

1712
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 3: safely and they're still in as much danger, if not more.

1713
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 11: Our walk lasted five days. Thank god I was always

1714
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 11: strong enough and able to get back up when I fell,

1715
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 11: because if I fell and my children had to see

1716
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 11: me fall and not get up, imagine how bad that

1717
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 11: would be. My children want more in the future, but

1718
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 11: they despaired in the jungle. They said, tell me, mommy,

1719
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 11: when are we going to get there? Mommy? What could

1720
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 11: I say to them? My dear, We have to have

1721
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 11: patience because we have to make the crossing. We have

1722
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 11: to move forward. If not, we can't get out of here.

1723
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 3: Even among such difficult times, the Venezuelans always greeted me

1724
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 3: with a laugh and a smile, especially after a few

1725
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:08,560
Speaker 3: days of running into each other. When I used venezuhaleen

1726
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 3: slang or my accents slowly reverted to the Spanish and

1727
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 3: I learned in Karrakas nearly two decades ago, they'd laugh

1728
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 3: at me, as they noted at that time, Karrakas had

1729
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 3: attracted plenty of migrants to his own. Some of them,

1730
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:22,559
Speaker 3: like me, didn't stay, but we came to We wanted

1731
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 3: to see a revolution in the flesh, and they welcomed us.

1732
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 3: For a while in Caracas, I lived in a social

1733
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 3: center in La Pastora. I didn't pay rent, but there

1734
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 3: was a small, empty room and no one seemed to mind.

1735
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 3: Every day I talked to strangers, big friends, and try

1736
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 3: and learn something new. The situation there wasn't ideal. For

1737
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 3: one thing, we didn't really have showers, and also I

1738
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 3: got robbed at gunpoint. So for most of my time

1739
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 3: in the country, I stayed with the Chilean family i'd met.

1740
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 3: They welcomed me a more or less total stranger, into

1741
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 3: their homes and lives. In the evenings, we spent hours

1742
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 3: talking and they'd tell me stories about how they'd suffered

1743
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 3: under Pinochet, the hopes they'd had for their country, and

1744
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 3: how they'd had to flee to Krakas tens of thousands

1745
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 3: of their fellow Chileans. They introduced me to Victor Hara

1746
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 3: and Joy Pan. I introduced them to chumber Wamba, and

1747
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 3: we shared an affection for George Orwell. The song you

1748
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:12,680
Speaker 3: heard after the adverts was not in fact Chumberwamba, but

1749
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 3: Chilean left his folk musician, Victor Haa. He's playing Eldreto

1750
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 3: de vi videnpaz the right to live in Peace in English,

1751
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 3: and it's one of his most famous songs. It confronts

1752
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 3: the US War in Vietnam. Later, after haw I was

1753
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 3: tortured and murdered by the Pinochet regime, it became an

1754
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 3: anthem of protest in the country. Parah and his friend

1755
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 3: Pabu and No Ruda were both symbols of the cultural

1756
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 3: power of the Chilean people and the brutality of the

1757
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 3: Pinochet regime, who broke the hands he used to play

1758
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 3: his guitar before they killed him. Haah and the Rudah

1759
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 3: both moved in the same revolutionary artistic circles as my

1760
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 3: Chilean host in Venezuela. At night, they tell me stories

1761
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 3: about the time they spent together. We'd have to speak loudly,

1762
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 3: as a man who adopted me as a sort of

1763
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 3: surrogate grandson had permanent hearing damage from the torture he'd

1764
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 3: endured under the same regime. Luckily, he'd been able to

1765
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 3: flee with his wife to Venezuela, where they were welcomed.

1766
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 3: They never returned to Chile and happily lived out the

1767
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 3: rest of their lives listening to their Victor Hara records

1768
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 3: in Caracas and living the ideals that have seen them persecuted.

1769
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 3: Their kindness to me, a nineteen year old stranger with

1770
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,560
Speaker 3: terrible Spanish and nowhere to sleep at night, reflected the

1771
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 3: kindness they'd received, and I've tried to reflect it in

1772
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 3: turn ever since.

1773
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 18: Oh A life.

1774
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 3: Oh. I never once heard any children crying in Las

1775
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 3: Blancas or Barjiquito. Well note, until the deportations took their

1776
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 3: parents away on my last day there. Most of the

1777
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 3: time the kids entertained themselves. One day in Las Blancas

1778
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 3: where migrants can wait and spend weeks or months they

1779
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 3: don't have the funds to move forward with their journey.

1780
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,560
Speaker 3: I left my ficture while she made a call and

1781
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,800
Speaker 3: bumped into some little children playing a game where they

1782
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 3: throw water bottle caps into half a breeze block from

1783
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 3: various distance, each of them counting how many they could land.

1784
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 3: I sat down next to them, put maricorder on the

1785
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 3: ground and asked nicely if I could join them. That's

1786
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 3: like a tiny pit buss. One of the kids bought

1787
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 3: me a pile of bottle tops, and I chatted with

1788
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 3: them as we threw a bottle cap to the broken

1789
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 3: piece of concrete. What was it like in America? They asked.

1790
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 3: They's had a lot of questions about Africa, having probably

1791
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 3: met African kids in the casita just across the way.

1792
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 3: Do they have big buildings in Africa? Does it rain there?

1793
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 3: How long does it take to get there in a bus?

1794
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 3: Then they tested by venezuela and legitimacy by drawing me

1795
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 3: in a ripper in my notebook, and I'm asking him

1796
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 3: if I knew what it was, what I passed a test?

1797
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 3: They asked me how to say some things in English,

1798
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 3: and they showed me the toys they bought with them,

1799
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 3: which were very few. One of them had a small

1800
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:59,639
Speaker 3: plastic cow of which he was very proud on avoca.

1801
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 3: After a while, they asked what I was doing, and

1802
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 3: I showed them how I record interviews, at which point

1803
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 3: they began recording themselves and each other, wildly stabbing at

1804
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 3: the buttons on my recorder, which I will admit scared

1805
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 3: the crap out of me, but I didn't have the

1806
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 3: heart to take it off. Then they stroked the fluffy

1807
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 3: WIMD protector I use on my microphone. It told me

1808
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 3: it was like a tiny teddy bear. Eventually I was

1809
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,839
Speaker 3: able to trade my recorder for several small wooden animals

1810
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 3: I'd brought with me as gifts, which seemed to be

1811
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:33,720
Speaker 3: a deal. The left all of us feelings that we

1812
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:36,519
Speaker 3: come out ahead. They seemed to unbothered by the suffering

1813
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 3: around them. But Las Blancas is no place for children.

1814
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 3: They should be in school, learning the English phrases they

1815
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 3: kept repeating to me every time I saw them. But

1816
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 3: for a chance to use their English, they first had

1817
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 3: to endure month more danger and deprivation. I guess, as

1818
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 3: son some slightly hold A. Children made the journey alone

1819
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 3: or almost alone. They were accompanied by a spaniel called Channel.

1820
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 3: I saw a future while as people are characters them

1821
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 3: through the Darien Gap. But to my ANALYSI this is

1822
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,440
Speaker 3: the first spaniel that has made the treacherous crossing.

1823
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 12: Inezuela.

1824
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 3: Like everyone else, they had terrible memories from the jungle.

1825
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 1: The truth is you have to fight a lot to

1826
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 1: be able to get out of there, because not everyone

1827
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,919
Speaker 1: gets out of that jungle, and it's even more difficult

1828
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 1: with small children. There are times when one goes without

1829
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 1: food and it's very stressful because all around us all

1830
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: we saw was the jungle, and we never saw the

1831
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:48,560
Speaker 1: way out. But it is complicated. The truth is that

1832
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:52,320
Speaker 1: it is very hard the jungle. Well, I would really

1833
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:53,600
Speaker 1: recommend that people.

1834
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 14: Never go there.

1835
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:57,599
Speaker 1: All our feet are hurting, we can't walk properly. Our

1836
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 1: whole body is hurt. We went days without eating.

1837
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 3: They were traveling. They said to join their parents, and

1838
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 3: because in Venezuela they told me they were always hungry.

1839
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 3: They saw people sleeping on the streets, right, that would

1840
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 3: be their only option. One day they didn't leave.

1841
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 1: I want to see mom. I haven't seen her in

1842
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 1: three years, and I want to have my American dream to.

1843
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 14: I want to see my dad, my aunt, and my uncle.

1844
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 14: I haven't seen them for three years either.

1845
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 3: Despite the heart yet, they didn't blame their parents for leaving.

1846
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,639
Speaker 14: We know that we made it because of them. They're

1847
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 14: the ones who sent us money for the things we need.

1848
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 14: We were able to get a few things, not everything

1849
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 14: we needed, but it's all thanks to them.

1850
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 3: The end of their interview, as I always do, I

1851
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 3: asked them if there's anything else that they wanted to share.

1852
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:46,799
Speaker 3: I don't know, but our parents.

1853
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 18: We love them a lot and hope we can see

1854
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 18: them soon.

1855
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 3: Like many of the Valezuela's I spoke to, their American

1856
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 3: dreams were pretty modest for most of them, though they'll

1857
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 3: be unachievable in the current immigration system. They'll end up

1858
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 3: stuck in Mexico, in Mexico City, perhaps so further south

1859
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 3: in Tijuana or Juara's working across the border. They're lucky,

1860
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 3: but if they cried across between ports of entry, we'll

1861
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 3: get caught traveling without red string. In Mexico, there was

1862
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:25,799
Speaker 3: being deported or relocated back to southern Mexico.

1863
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 16: His explaining that process, the Mexican National Guard has been

1864
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 16: detaining people who are trying across the US medical border,

1865
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 16: and they had been sending them south to Mexico City

1866
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 16: and Chiapas to Tapachula. Now there's been this huge effort

1867
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 16: to stop people from weaving, not only at the US

1868
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 16: Mexico border, but even in Mexco City. So we're seeing

1869
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 16: Mexican Immigration and National Guard doing sweeps of migrant camps,

1870
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 16: of apartment buildings, doesn't matter if the person has a

1871
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 16: CBP one appointment. Sometimes they'll just send themselves to either

1872
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 16: Chiapa's an increasingly to Basco so Viere. Mossau, which is

1873
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 16: where people are arriving in Tabasco has one shelter and

1874
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 16: I think the capacity is around two hundred and fifty

1875
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:17,719
Speaker 16: three hundred people, and earlier this year they were sending

1876
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 16: twenty thousand migrants a month there and then they posted

1877
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 16: the military yips so that people can't leave.

1878
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 19: And it's very dangerous there.

1879
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:28,680
Speaker 16: It's a drug tracking area, so it's you know, not

1880
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 16: only are people sleeping in the streets, but they're sleeping

1881
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 16: on the streets of some of the most dangerous cities

1882
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 16: in Mexaco. Win very few services there to help them

1883
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 16: even get their next meal.

1884
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,960
Speaker 3: This, of course, didn't happen without the imfluence of the

1885
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 3: United States. In many ways, Joe Biden has done exactly

1886
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 3: what Donald Trump promised to do. Not only has he

1887
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 3: built more wool, he's also forced Mexico to pay for

1888
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 3: a significant amount of the US IS immigration enforcement. But

1889
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,599
Speaker 3: when people are sent back to south of Mexico, they'll

1890
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 3: just make their way north again, only this time with

1891
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 3: fewer resources and even greater risk. They're all proud of

1892
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 3: where they're from. About half the groups I saw had

1893
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 3: Venezuelan flags and the cats or backpacks, but they're also

1894
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 3: very aware of the betrayal they get as Venezuelans and

1895
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 3: the US media and many of them made the very

1896
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 3: valid point if American is afraid of Venezuela gangs, they

1897
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 3: ought to consider how much more afraid people are in

1898
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:24,799
Speaker 3: a country where they actually exist. N Solana, I'm thirteen.

1899
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 18: Please don't believe that because one person from Venezuela does crime,

1900
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 18: that all Venezuelans do crime.

1901
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 3: But at least they get it portrayed in the US media.

1902
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 3: Many African migrants don't even get that. Of course, it

1903
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 3: doesn't mean they don't know about the USA his powers

1904
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 3: in her anglophone Cameroonian group again talking about their impressions

1905
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 3: of America where they'd like to live when they arrive here.

1906
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 5: We know America is a very beautiful country, and America

1907
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 5: has human right.

1908
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 3: They care about the citizens.

1909
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 5: In fact, they care about humanity. See, I don't want

1910
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 5: to have a friend that I'm gonna stay with for

1911
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 5: the meantime.

1912
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 3: Then it gets that's great, Yeah, that helps her lot. Yeah.

1913
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,639
Speaker 3: Do you know which city your friend lives in? She's

1914
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 3: in merry Land, Oh, Maryland?

1915
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:12,240
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, So if I may asks, if you don't

1916
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 5: mind me asking, of course, what do Americans? How do

1917
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 5: they treat or how do they see immigrants?

1918
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 3: Oh, my friend, it's changing a lot. African bagaants in particular,

1919
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,600
Speaker 3: will struggle with a lack of resources. The absence of

1920
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:30,880
Speaker 3: solidarity structures an obvious anti blackness along the journey. Along

1921
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 3: with this, people they meet along the way simply lack

1922
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 3: context of their journeys, why they're leaving, what they're fleeing.

1923
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 3: Language barriers may exclude many of them from using CBP one,

1924
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 3: which is only offered English, Spanish and Haitian Creole. Less

1925
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 3: than fifteen percent of asylum cases are conducted in English,

1926
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:48,839
Speaker 3: but the app ignores huge toasts of the world outside

1927
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 3: the Western hemisphere. But Jikito, I use French to speak

1928
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,800
Speaker 3: to min who students speak English, and began to notice

1929
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 3: the complete absence of signage, and I think other as

1930
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 3: Spanish and sometimes English Creole. This is likely an issue

1931
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:05,560
Speaker 3: throughout that long journeys. Here's one migrant from Angola and

1932
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 3: I should probably at this point that Angolan people tend

1933
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 3: to speak Portuguese, it's a national language, but French with

1934
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 3: the language I shared with some of them, as I

1935
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 3: don't speak Portuguese.

1936
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 10: It was too much, very complicated. Like me, I did

1937
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 10: a week in Brazil at Brazil and for Peru, Peru

1938
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 10: to nicol Klee. Then here I did. We did four days,

1939
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 10: four days walking. There are many mountains, many risks, there

1940
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 10: are many animals along the route. You have to follow

1941
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 10: the path for four days and there's no food. But

1942
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 10: we are glad to arrive today. This is the first group.

1943
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 10: There's the second, third, fourth, fifth group. They're still on

1944
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 10: the road. I'm very proud of the fact that we

1945
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:54,640
Speaker 10: made it despite the suffering. But God was with us

1946
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 10: that is what is important.

1947
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,479
Speaker 3: There are numerous instances a French speaking micro trying to

1948
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 3: approach the border near me in Santy Ses and being

1949
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 3: turned away for not having an appointment on that that's

1950
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 3: not available in the language they can understand. These language

1951
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 3: barriers might stop the migrants getting information, but they don't

1952
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 3: stop them helping one another. His powers group describing the

1953
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 3: isolation they felt, but also the kindness they experienced. Do

1954
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:21,919
Speaker 3: you think people on the trip treat African people differently?

1955
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, they do differently differently. They're not being communicated, They're

1956
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 5: just by themselves. They don't associate. They look at us differently.

1957
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah I.

1958
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:37,040
Speaker 6: Had, I had someone who supported me.

1959
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I saw. I saw how kind of person

1960
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 3: was because of their obvious foreignness and perceived an ability

1961
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 3: to communicate. African migrants are often targeted for crime in Mexico.

1962
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 3: Since leaving Panama, have heard from migrants who are raped, kidnapped, ransomed,

1963
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,679
Speaker 3: and I even heard about one who was killed. Because

1964
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 3: of their difficulties accessing this CVP one app many face

1965
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 3: longer way to Mexico, which may in turn leave them

1966
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 3: open to extortion or see them decide to cross the

1967
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 3: border between ports of entry. I've met hundreds of migrants,

1968
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 3: mainly Mauritanians and Guineans, who have made this difficult choice

1969
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 3: since bidons of Silent Bank came into force. Due to

1970
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 3: the distance, African migrants also face a longer, more expensive,

1971
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 3: and more dangerous journey. His premier from Zimbabwe, describing her

1972
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 3: journey just to get to Bao Jiquito.

1973
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 12: The situation for me, it was tough. I just ran

1974
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:34,240
Speaker 12: away to South Africa. In South Africa was not safe

1975
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 12: solofobia and they almost secure me and my boyfriend. Oh no,

1976
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:49,599
Speaker 12: and even my big father was abusive too much because

1977
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 12: of the politics. I'm opposition part.

1978
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 20: So it was.

1979
01:49:58,160 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 12: Now even in South Africa, I was not safe at all.

1980
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:04,160
Speaker 12: It was those people. They were like following me and

1981
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:07,720
Speaker 12: my daughter. So I spent three months on the road

1982
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:11,600
Speaker 12: coming here. I leave South Africa, I think fourth of

1983
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 12: July till now I'm in Panama. I'm still working using bases.

1984
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:21,920
Speaker 3: Jesus, How you get away from Africa to America? Did

1985
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 3: you fly or take a boat?

1986
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 12: The thing is I fly from Joannespec to Brazil. Then

1987
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:32,639
Speaker 12: I seek asylum in Brazil. Then I wanted to stay

1988
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 12: in Brazil, so people said no, yeah, in Brazil, you

1989
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:43,200
Speaker 12: can't because of language, Yeah, Portuguese. So I start also

1990
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 12: using people's groups like you list take this pass from

1991
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 12: point A to point base. So we take a bus

1992
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:53,719
Speaker 12: from Brazil to Bolivia, then from Bolivia to Peru, Peru

1993
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:58,840
Speaker 12: to Equador, Colombia. Then you start working using Darien cap two.

1994
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 3: I'm here in African migrants will end up in different

1995
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 3: shelters that are more remote or have less connectivity, again

1996
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 3: making their asylum process harder. Unlike migrants from the Western Hemisphere,

1997
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,840
Speaker 3: they might struggle to find solidarity networks even inside the

1998
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 3: USA without a significant diaspora, and many of the migrants

1999
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:18,600
Speaker 3: I met in the jungle have struggled to find sponsors

2000
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,879
Speaker 3: los Just the people I spoke to here, including Primrose

2001
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 3: and her daughter, are still looking for someone to give

2002
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:26,320
Speaker 3: them a helping hand as they start their new life.

2003
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 3: We spoke a lot over the week I is there,

2004
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 3: and we've spoken most days since. It's heartbreaking for me

2005
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 3: to see her daughter going for months without education or

2006
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:38,040
Speaker 3: even a safe place to sleep. I've seen photos of

2007
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 3: them sleeping on the street, They've ridden crowded buses north,

2008
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 3: and I've heard their frustrated attempts to comply with the

2009
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:46,760
Speaker 3: arcane and complicated restrictions on their right to come here

2010
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:50,000
Speaker 3: and ask for help. And it's been really hard since

2011
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 3: I got home to reconcile this with a national discussion

2012
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 3: that seems to see migration as a number that we

2013
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 3: have to decrease. A migrants are something other than people

2014
01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:58,960
Speaker 3: who want to come here for all the same reasons,

2015
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:03,519
Speaker 3: iding happily and peaceably as our neighbors. Now that they've

2016
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 3: come this far, magants from outside the Western hemisphere have

2017
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 3: to keep going. They kind of even file their claims

2018
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:11,920
Speaker 3: on CBP one until they make it to Tapatula, which

2019
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 3: is hundreds of dollars and thousands of kilometers from Panama.

2020
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 3: They likely don't have the funds to go back home

2021
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:19,760
Speaker 3: even if they want to, and they are far more

2022
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 3: likely to be robbed or kidnapped along the way. However,

2023
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 3: their story is often not told. Reporting on the board

2024
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:28,920
Speaker 3: is still largely focused on Spanish speaking migrants, with some

2025
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:32,120
Speaker 3: space of Chinese or Haitians, but magots from Africa rarely

2026
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:34,840
Speaker 3: get much care or attention in the media. In part,

2027
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 3: this has helped them avoid the demonization that Venezuelan migrants

2028
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:41,280
Speaker 3: are all too aware of, but in part it also

2029
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:44,360
Speaker 3: leads to a lack of concern for their needs. I

2030
01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 3: want to end today with Gabriel from Equatorial Guinea sharing

2031
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:49,440
Speaker 3: his message for Americans.

2032
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:57,760
Speaker 20: Ah Aca not as Yeah, A lot of people get

2033
01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:02,160
Speaker 20: this confused. Africa is not a country. A lot of

2034
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:05,639
Speaker 20: them think when they see you and you're black person,

2035
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:09,920
Speaker 20: they say, are you African? And it's like, there are

2036
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:15,759
Speaker 20: lots of countries in Africa. Kana, Nigeria, you got Guinea,

2037
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 20: you got the more Atinian people. There are loads of countries.

2038
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 20: I wish people would know.

2039
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:22,560
Speaker 10: How do I say this?

2040
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:27,040
Speaker 20: I wish they'd take us into account because really they

2041
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 20: don't consider us when they say Africa is a country.

2042
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 20: They don't care about us the way we care about them.

2043
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:37,200
Speaker 20: And this is the way of seeing things which doesn't

2044
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:40,360
Speaker 20: consider us as human, not the same as them. You

2045
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:44,640
Speaker 20: understand they see us as Africans or animals something like that.

2046
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:00,360
Speaker 17: M h.

2047
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:26,559
Speaker 3: Yeah kid again pretty it's yell of the bat. He said,

2048
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:26,840
Speaker 3: I was.

2049
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 6: A boy, remain I polo people.

2050
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:36,440
Speaker 10: Ermato you know something?

2051
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 16: Don't have people an annouches?

2052
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 3: Can they have me?

2053
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:39,320
Speaker 16: People?

2054
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 18: Only day was an.

2055
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:47,360
Speaker 3: Agent said I'm an a bad man. Again, you're a logic,

2056
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:57,440
Speaker 3: but it isn't. Young and yea, some of you recognize

2057
01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 3: the audio that we opened this show with, and then

2058
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:02,320
Speaker 3: if you weren't, it's a sample from the Fourth Declaration

2059
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,000
Speaker 3: of the Lacandan Jungle that Manuchow used to open his

2060
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:08,000
Speaker 3: shows with. It's a piece of music that's very emotive

2061
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 3: for me. Obviously, I'm a white leftist guy in my

2062
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:13,440
Speaker 3: thirties who learned Spanish and decided to live in Barcelona.

2063
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:16,000
Speaker 3: So I have a story about running into Manuchow once

2064
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:18,360
Speaker 3: where he was busking, but that's not what I want

2065
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 3: to share today. Because I'm technology challenged, I can't seem

2066
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,320
Speaker 3: to get my phone to download songs, but I've managed

2067
01:55:24,360 --> 01:55:26,520
Speaker 3: to download the same Manu Chow playlist that I ripped

2068
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 3: off a rewriteable CD when I was in high school

2069
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 3: and put it on the various headphones and garment watches

2070
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 3: that I've had of the last two decades or so.

2071
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:36,560
Speaker 3: When I'm away for work, I like to run whenever

2072
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:38,960
Speaker 3: I can. Obviously I wasn't just going to go for

2073
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,800
Speaker 3: a jog straight into the Darien Gap, but once we

2074
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:44,760
Speaker 3: were out of Bajajiqito, it gave me some time to

2075
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:47,800
Speaker 3: run and think and process the things that I've seen,

2076
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 3: And while I do that, I listen to the same

2077
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:53,080
Speaker 3: doz or so MP three files. I was listening to

2078
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 3: this song one day after I got back from Lahas Blancas,

2079
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:57,760
Speaker 3: as I sweated my way up ahead in the rainforest,

2080
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:01,120
Speaker 3: hoping to see a sloth. I didn't see a sloth,

2081
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:06,160
Speaker 3: but it seemed like an appropriate soundtrack. Manuchoo himself as

2082
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:09,120
Speaker 3: a child of refugees from Francoist Spain. He sings in

2083
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:13,080
Speaker 3: French and Spanish, willoff and Galician and Portuguese, among other languages,

2084
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:16,360
Speaker 3: often several of them in the same song, the product

2085
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:19,840
Speaker 3: of growing up among other migrants of diverse backgrounds. I

2086
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,000
Speaker 3: like the way he plays with language because it reminds

2087
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:23,760
Speaker 3: me of the way I so often speak to my

2088
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:27,960
Speaker 3: friends Spanglish, for example, or Frannglais. It's the way people

2089
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 3: talk in border regions and refugee camps, languages that don't

2090
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 3: have the support of a state or the academy, but

2091
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:37,600
Speaker 3: nonetheless convey so much meaning for so many people. That song,

2092
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 3: in particular reminds me of my first time reading about

2093
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 3: Zapatismo in a tiny anarchist cafe in the West Midlands.

2094
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:45,720
Speaker 3: I remember being struck as a kid from europ who

2095
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:48,280
Speaker 3: would frequently drive to France or Belgium to race bikes

2096
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:50,920
Speaker 3: and buy cheap beer, that the USA still maintained a

2097
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:55,560
Speaker 3: fortified border with Mexico. People couldn't travel freely, but money could.

2098
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 3: With its realization and the writings in particular of Suquam

2099
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:02,080
Speaker 3: and Temar course, along with my talks in Spain to

2100
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 3: old anarchists, that encouraged me to learn Spanish, which I

2101
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:08,680
Speaker 3: pursued by spending months in Spain and Venezuela and learning

2102
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:11,320
Speaker 3: thanks to the patient to the people around me. It

2103
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:13,920
Speaker 3: was a new anarchism which came from the periphery, not

2104
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,240
Speaker 3: only a liberal cores, which gave me my first serious politics.

2105
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:21,520
Speaker 3: I traveled to Venezuela to understand the revolution there. I

2106
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 3: did a PhD to try and understand the revolution in Spain.

2107
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:27,440
Speaker 3: It's all very well understanding things, but I think it's

2108
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,800
Speaker 3: much more important to do things, and I tried to

2109
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 3: practice mutual aid as much as I can. Since I

2110
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 3: got back from the daddy En, I've loaded up a

2111
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:37,480
Speaker 3: heavy backpack and carried water into the desert and spent

2112
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:39,280
Speaker 3: hours trying to connect the friends I made in the

2113
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:42,520
Speaker 3: jungle with services along the way. In the face of

2114
01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 3: so much cruelty, it feels good to be doing something

2115
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,880
Speaker 3: to help and carrying the water is away. I can

2116
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 3: make a material difference in a terrible situation. But in

2117
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 3: all my time reporting, I've really never felt as disempowered

2118
01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 3: and helpless as I did in Last Blancas. Here at

2119
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,720
Speaker 3: the first official migrant reception center off to Daddi Enne,

2120
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:05,720
Speaker 3: the Panamanian government registers migrants. NGO's offer a few services,

2121
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:10,600
Speaker 3: and the US funded process of deportation for migrants from Colombia, Cuba,

2122
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:14,520
Speaker 3: Venezuela and India begins. Some of those sent to India

2123
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:17,600
Speaker 3: might well be Nepalese who often travel on fake Indian passports.

2124
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:22,640
Speaker 3: The little cluster of cheap tents, shipping container offices, un shelters,

2125
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:24,720
Speaker 3: and barbed wire offences is where the rubber meets a

2126
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:28,080
Speaker 3: road for the USA's border and migration policy, and it's

2127
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:32,040
Speaker 3: heartbreaking to witness. As migrants were called out to the

2128
01:58:32,120 --> 01:58:35,520
Speaker 3: security office to begin the deportation process. I tried to

2129
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 3: narrate the scene into my voice recorder, but I struggled,

2130
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:41,520
Speaker 3: in part because their family members asked me questions, hoping

2131
01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:51,240
Speaker 3: I can help. Yeah, planings on the side, But in

2132
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:53,840
Speaker 3: a larger part, this was also difficult because I couldn't help,

2133
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:56,880
Speaker 3: and I deeply wanted to. The best I could offer

2134
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:59,360
Speaker 3: was an arm around someone's shoulder and the promise to

2135
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:01,320
Speaker 3: email any one who I could think of, and asked

2136
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 3: what was going on? This guy's just sobbing. Yeah, that's

2137
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 3: really tough. Some people's parents, some people's partners, some who

2138
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:26,960
Speaker 3: I'll explain exactly what was happening in a moment, but

2139
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:29,560
Speaker 3: first I want to explain how I got here. On

2140
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:31,800
Speaker 3: the day we left Maraganti, we set off at the

2141
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:33,920
Speaker 3: same time some migrants who are making their own journey

2142
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:37,680
Speaker 3: to last Blankets. PA. Is carrying only myself and my

2143
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:40,840
Speaker 3: fixed daddy and a pe aguero, so we're moving a

2144
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:43,520
Speaker 3: lot faster than the boats full of migrants. On the

2145
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:47,000
Speaker 3: way north. We passed them, they smiled and waves as

2146
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:49,120
Speaker 3: we rode by. Many of them had met me the

2147
01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:52,240
Speaker 3: day before. All of them were ecstatic to have survived

2148
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:56,640
Speaker 3: the daddy enn and be heading north. Yeah, it's a

2149
01:59:56,680 --> 01:59:59,240
Speaker 3: pretty busy stretcher ray that it's party three or four

2150
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:04,320
Speaker 3: pedaguas full of migrant Hello. There are kids shogging at me.

2151
02:00:04,440 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 3: And taught them some English words yesterday and they're shouting

2152
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:09,280
Speaker 3: them back to me today, which is nice.

2153
02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:11,080
Speaker 14: You got it.

2154
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:23,720
Speaker 3: Family from Panama. They might be Enngio people or something.

2155
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:27,520
Speaker 3: They lived a bill shocked to the whole scene. Here

2156
02:00:27,560 --> 02:00:32,600
Speaker 3: we are passing another bit agua. Now they're all waving

2157
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 3: at me. It's got to be uncomfortable. Pack that denity

2158
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:47,920
Speaker 3: into a bi agua one, two, three, four, five, three, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,

2159
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:53,560
Speaker 3: forty fifty sixteen people. Yeah, once the boat arrived, they

2160
02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:56,120
Speaker 3: did embark in LaaS Blancas the next day. I was

2161
02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:59,040
Speaker 3: there to meet them. We're just walking into Lahas Blancas.

2162
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:03,520
Speaker 3: Hectic here so it's a new shop here, and outside

2163
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:08,080
Speaker 3: the shop they've made like a line of outlets to

2164
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:11,400
Speaker 3: charge people. It's a dollar an hour to charge your telephone.

2165
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 3: As we go in, there are a row of like

2166
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:17,320
Speaker 3: kind of sheds which represent shops. And then further in,

2167
02:01:17,720 --> 02:01:20,920
Speaker 3: every ngo has its own little kind of shed. They're

2168
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:25,240
Speaker 3: all covered in tarps. They're like canvas and tarp tents

2169
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:32,520
Speaker 3: actually here so see unief, I see, oh I am yeah,

2170
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:34,760
Speaker 3: they have that sort of little tent office here. I

2171
02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:39,840
Speaker 3: guess see here as for example, has information psychological support,

2172
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:47,440
Speaker 3: safe space for women, Wonnief has some workshops for children,

2173
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:51,440
Speaker 3: and then you know they're hours. I guess, nice little

2174
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:59,640
Speaker 3: chairs in there and yeah, see you can't take photographs

2175
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:02,880
Speaker 3: in there, which is good. Yeah, and then it's just

2176
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:09,200
Speaker 3: a crowd of people coming out. And there's also more

2177
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:14,960
Speaker 3: little Mormon situation. See oh yeah, I guess see. Oh

2178
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:17,440
Speaker 3: I am are supported by Church of Jesus Christ on

2179
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:20,240
Speaker 3: bat Today Saints. Then the Red Cross has got a

2180
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:26,680
Speaker 3: shipping container. I've been hoping last blank Cuts would be

2181
02:02:26,680 --> 02:02:29,360
Speaker 3: a better scene than baj Jugito, with more organized sleeping

2182
02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:32,960
Speaker 3: arrangements and hopefully basic necessities like clean water, food and

2183
02:02:33,080 --> 02:02:36,160
Speaker 3: Wi Fi provided by their numerous NGOs who work there.

2184
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:40,400
Speaker 3: But if anythink it was worse in Baja Jigito. In Bajuquito,

2185
02:02:40,520 --> 02:02:43,360
Speaker 3: migrants were exhausted, but also ecstatic to be at the jungle.

2186
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:46,400
Speaker 3: They knew they'd be moving forward the next day and

2187
02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:48,160
Speaker 3: for a few bucks. Again, I don't think they needed.

2188
02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:50,720
Speaker 3: In the village, the locals told me that if kids

2189
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:52,640
Speaker 3: didn't have the money to eat, they fed them for free.

2190
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:55,440
Speaker 3: I didn't see this, but normally seen that they're having

2191
02:02:55,480 --> 02:02:57,120
Speaker 3: a very hard time, and any of the days of

2192
02:02:57,240 --> 02:03:00,680
Speaker 3: vice to the village at least not for fine actual reasons.

2193
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:03,400
Speaker 3: Magots can get as far as Bahol Jiguito on a

2194
02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:06,680
Speaker 3: few hundred dollars in their tenasty. They pay Columbian guides

2195
02:03:06,680 --> 02:03:08,520
Speaker 3: a few hundred bucks to bring them across the ocean

2196
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:11,680
Speaker 3: from Necople and to walk them from the border, and

2197
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:14,360
Speaker 3: they parry them bar Perraguero's twenty five bucks for the

2198
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:17,520
Speaker 3: ride up the river. But once they get to last Blankerts.

2199
02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:20,400
Speaker 3: For a good number of migrants, their journey grinds to

2200
02:03:20,440 --> 02:03:23,080
Speaker 3: a halt. Many of them told me they've been stuck

2201
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:25,240
Speaker 3: in the camp for weeks or even months because they

2202
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:27,320
Speaker 3: couldn't get that sixty dollars that they needed to pay

2203
02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:30,440
Speaker 3: for their travel north. There's no Western Union in the camp,

2204
02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:32,800
Speaker 3: and the only way to transfer money is very local

2205
02:03:32,840 --> 02:03:36,000
Speaker 3: intermediary who charges between twenty and twenty five percent of

2206
02:03:36,040 --> 02:03:39,560
Speaker 3: the sum being transferred as a fee. In the morning,

2207
02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:42,880
Speaker 3: migrants arrive on their peraguas just as we did. I

2208
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:44,800
Speaker 3: drop down the boat ramp when I saw them to

2209
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:48,000
Speaker 3: help with their bags and ask about their journey from

2210
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:50,960
Speaker 3: there they formed two lines, one for men and one

2211
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:53,320
Speaker 3: for women and children. They have their bag search and

2212
02:03:53,320 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 3: their passport checked. They've given a welcome kit for the

2213
02:03:56,440 --> 02:04:00,520
Speaker 3: Red Cross with some basic necessities toilet paper, two to brush,

2214
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:04,280
Speaker 3: some soap, stuff like that, or some of them get

2215
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:06,840
Speaker 3: a kid. When the kids ran out, it was long

2216
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:09,080
Speaker 3: before the line of people did. By the time the

2217
02:04:09,160 --> 02:04:11,400
Speaker 3: men were finished, they were given little more than a

2218
02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:14,200
Speaker 3: shrug and good wishes by the Red Cross volunteers and

2219
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:16,720
Speaker 3: allowed to head off into the camp. Within the camp,

2220
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:19,000
Speaker 3: there are a few rows of small casitas that are

2221
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:22,680
Speaker 3: allocated to u accompany children and families. They're a little

2222
02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:24,720
Speaker 3: more than four walls in a roof, but they offer

2223
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:28,160
Speaker 3: a bit of privacy for most migrants, though there isn't

2224
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:30,200
Speaker 3: space and they have to search for a spot of

2225
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:32,400
Speaker 3: empty ground in the crowded camp where they can pitch

2226
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:35,240
Speaker 3: the same tents they bought a necko cley. The Wi

2227
02:04:35,320 --> 02:04:37,960
Speaker 3: Fi which a Red Cross usually provides, wasn't working when

2228
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:39,920
Speaker 3: I arrived, so I had to let people hot spot

2229
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:42,600
Speaker 3: off my phone all day. At least the promised food

2230
02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:44,880
Speaker 3: really was free, but the migrants told me it was

2231
02:04:44,920 --> 02:04:47,760
Speaker 3: far from good. Still, this is supposed to be a

2232
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:51,840
Speaker 3: temporary camp. People register here, get any medical attention they need,

2233
02:04:52,240 --> 02:04:55,680
Speaker 3: and then move forward to Costa Rica. That's the theory anyway.

2234
02:04:56,520 --> 02:04:58,320
Speaker 3: In practice, if you can't get the sixty bucks, you

2235
02:04:58,400 --> 02:05:00,600
Speaker 3: need to move forward, or so one stole it for

2236
02:05:00,680 --> 02:05:02,920
Speaker 3: me in the jungle, or you are forced to walk

2237
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:04,840
Speaker 3: to the camp because you didn't have twenty five bucks

2238
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:11,320
Speaker 3: for the boat and then someone rubbed you. Then you're stucks.

2239
02:05:12,200 --> 02:05:14,880
Speaker 18: We have been here a month. You have people who've

2240
02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:18,160
Speaker 18: been here a month and a half. I've been twenty

2241
02:05:18,200 --> 02:05:21,840
Speaker 18: seven days here. Well, I thank god because we have

2242
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24,960
Speaker 18: three meals a day. We have water, but it still

2243
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:28,000
Speaker 18: hurts the girls. The food and water always make me

2244
02:05:28,120 --> 02:05:28,960
Speaker 18: sick with diarrhea.

2245
02:05:29,120 --> 02:05:29,920
Speaker 3: It bothers me.

2246
02:05:30,720 --> 02:05:34,120
Speaker 18: I vomit and the heat is so desperate. But we

2247
02:05:34,240 --> 02:05:36,680
Speaker 18: have to hold on because even though we don't have

2248
02:05:36,760 --> 02:05:39,360
Speaker 18: the resources, like we don't have enough to pay for

2249
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:42,160
Speaker 18: a ticket, we have to hold on here a little longer.

2250
02:05:42,720 --> 02:05:45,400
Speaker 18: We don't have any family members that can give us support.

2251
02:05:45,480 --> 02:05:49,040
Speaker 3: Either. What's keeping the migrants here is money, or rather

2252
02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:51,440
Speaker 3: a lack of it. It They need sixty bucks to leave.

2253
02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:55,280
Speaker 3: Buses used to take five free passengers per bus, but

2254
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:58,839
Speaker 3: under Panama's new regime, it seems like they don't. Instead,

2255
02:05:59,080 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 3: migrants just graduate mass in growing number of tents that

2256
02:06:01,960 --> 02:06:05,200
Speaker 3: populate the grassy areas of Las Blankets. They might try

2257
02:06:05,240 --> 02:06:07,560
Speaker 3: and do some informal work. I saw one guy who

2258
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:10,280
Speaker 3: was cutting hair for a dollar time, but I couldn't

2259
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 3: really get a satisfactory response to what they're expected to do.

2260
02:06:13,280 --> 02:06:15,640
Speaker 3: If they don't have the money and can't get someone

2261
02:06:15,680 --> 02:06:17,720
Speaker 3: to send us seventy five dollars, they'd need to cover

2262
02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:19,920
Speaker 3: their travel costs and the twenty five percent transfer.

2263
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:24,840
Speaker 18: Feel if you're short ten dollars, they don't put you

2264
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:28,480
Speaker 18: on the bus or anything. So things are terrible here.

2265
02:06:29,200 --> 02:06:31,600
Speaker 18: There should at least be support for migrants who at

2266
02:06:31,680 --> 02:06:35,480
Speaker 18: least come with few resources. They don't have money or anything.

2267
02:06:36,040 --> 02:06:37,920
Speaker 18: They can search your bag so they can see that

2268
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:41,800
Speaker 18: you're not lying that you don't have money. Because nobody

2269
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:44,760
Speaker 18: wants to be stuck here, you have to move forward,

2270
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:48,040
Speaker 18: because nobody wants to be stuck here in Panama. The

2271
02:06:48,160 --> 02:06:51,720
Speaker 18: idea is to move forward to get further ahead. We

2272
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:54,320
Speaker 18: brought our children to look for a future, not to

2273
02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:57,200
Speaker 18: be locked up here in Panama. As if we've been

2274
02:06:57,280 --> 02:06:57,839
Speaker 18: in prisoned.

2275
02:06:58,720 --> 02:07:01,200
Speaker 3: The group even tried to leave on foot, hoping to

2276
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:03,480
Speaker 3: begin walking north. And so it's for better future and

2277
02:07:03,560 --> 02:07:05,920
Speaker 3: a way to make money on their way. But they

2278
02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:08,480
Speaker 3: were caught, they say, and returned to the campra.

2279
02:07:11,640 --> 02:07:12,720
Speaker 10: And they beat me hard.

2280
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:15,440
Speaker 18: I gave myself up because they had caught her, a

2281
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:20,240
Speaker 18: grandmother with my other daughter. I returned myself voluntarily, and

2282
02:07:20,520 --> 02:07:23,640
Speaker 18: they beat me up anyway. And from there we've lost

2283
02:07:23,720 --> 02:07:25,200
Speaker 18: the desire to walk back there.

2284
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:26,320
Speaker 3: What can we do?

2285
02:07:27,720 --> 02:07:28,040
Speaker 10: Rights?

2286
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:29,600
Speaker 3: They don't care about them.

2287
02:07:30,240 --> 02:07:33,120
Speaker 18: We are human beings, but we don't have rights here

2288
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:35,000
Speaker 18: in Panama, they.

2289
02:07:34,920 --> 02:07:37,000
Speaker 3: Do have the money. Margarets could take a bus to

2290
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:40,120
Speaker 3: the Costa Rican border. When the buses first arrived, I

2291
02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:42,680
Speaker 3: tried to describe the scene as migrants rushed to buy food,

2292
02:07:42,760 --> 02:07:44,960
Speaker 3: not only for this journey, but also for their journey

2293
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:47,600
Speaker 3: through Costa Rica, where food and other basics are much

2294
02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:50,920
Speaker 3: more expensive. I'm here in Lahablancas when the first buses

2295
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:54,800
Speaker 3: have arrived. It's about noon. The first bus is going

2296
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:56,560
Speaker 3: to be full of people who had been waiting in

2297
02:07:56,640 --> 02:07:59,280
Speaker 3: line for hours already, so they're kind of lining up

2298
02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:02,920
Speaker 3: by the bus. And then the next bus is people

2299
02:08:02,920 --> 02:08:04,760
Speaker 3: seem to be kind of rushing to get to them.

2300
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:06,840
Speaker 3: They're rushing to my food. I could see the sky

2301
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:09,680
Speaker 3: has like an entire carrier bag full of pink wave

2302
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:13,760
Speaker 3: for biscuits and coke bottles. That that's going to be

2303
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:17,000
Speaker 3: his food for the next eleven hours. I guess other

2304
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:19,400
Speaker 3: guys to see with bags of bread, rolls and stuff,

2305
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:22,160
Speaker 3: and they're the first people are getting on the bus. Now,

2306
02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:27,200
Speaker 3: these buses aren't entirely safe. In twenty twenty three, forty

2307
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:31,000
Speaker 3: two people died in a bus crash. This year, seventeen

2308
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:34,360
Speaker 3: were intured in a crash in August. Now, migration offices

2309
02:08:34,440 --> 02:08:36,200
Speaker 3: ride in each bus with the migrants to check on

2310
02:08:36,280 --> 02:08:38,960
Speaker 3: safety protocols and make sure they don't get off anywhere

2311
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:42,040
Speaker 3: else in the country, just like everywhere else on their journey.

2312
02:08:42,400 --> 02:08:45,960
Speaker 3: People make money off the migrants in last blankets. A

2313
02:08:46,040 --> 02:08:48,879
Speaker 3: bus costs sixty dollars ahead and has fifty five passages

2314
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:52,120
Speaker 3: three three hundred dollars a bus. More than a dozen

2315
02:08:52,160 --> 02:08:55,320
Speaker 3: buses leave every day. They even half of the thousand

2316
02:08:55,440 --> 02:08:57,760
Speaker 3: or so people who arrived us a transfer service to

2317
02:08:57,800 --> 02:09:01,280
Speaker 3: get their bus fare. That's five hundred dollars in transfer

2318
02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:04,160
Speaker 3: fees alone. Of course, not everyone in the community is

2319
02:09:04,160 --> 02:09:07,160
Speaker 3: making thousands of dollars off the migrants. I interviewed local

2320
02:09:07,200 --> 02:09:09,960
Speaker 3: shopkeeper who still sits just outside the camp gates, and

2321
02:09:10,040 --> 02:09:12,800
Speaker 3: I asked him to explain his stock, which included the

2322
02:09:12,840 --> 02:09:15,880
Speaker 3: oddly popular I backed the blue thin blue Lion T shirt.

2323
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:18,080
Speaker 3: So I've seen several people across the daddy and gap it.

2324
02:09:25,640 --> 02:09:27,560
Speaker 12: Okaymo only fucking money.

2325
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:32,600
Speaker 3: I asked him what was the most common shopping list

2326
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:33,640
Speaker 3: for migrants.

2327
02:09:33,320 --> 02:09:36,680
Speaker 12: See Gussie Man.

2328
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:39,480
Speaker 10: Yes, almost all of them coming by sets for ten, fifteen,

2329
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:42,960
Speaker 10: twenty dollars. It depends. There are many who don't have them.

2330
02:09:43,160 --> 02:09:45,720
Speaker 10: I have children sets for five dollars. I have sets

2331
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:48,520
Speaker 10: for five dollars that are pants and sweaters, which is

2332
02:09:48,600 --> 02:09:50,920
Speaker 10: what they're looking for the most those that are socks

2333
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:54,640
Speaker 10: without underwear. Backpacks for fifteen dollars because the backpack is

2334
02:09:54,720 --> 02:09:56,560
Speaker 10: so worn out and they need it so much that

2335
02:09:56,680 --> 02:10:00,280
Speaker 10: it carries their belongings. Look, it's not really ever who

2336
02:10:00,280 --> 02:10:02,440
Speaker 10: can buy. There are certain people who buy, of course,

2337
02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:04,960
Speaker 10: if everyone bought, but there are very few who can

2338
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:08,920
Speaker 10: buy something to leave here. Almost seventy percent leave dirty

2339
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:11,600
Speaker 10: because they don't have anywhere to get money, and the

2340
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:14,160
Speaker 10: little they can get often comes from selling their phones,

2341
02:10:14,240 --> 02:10:16,640
Speaker 10: their watch, a cap, or their sneakers to be able

2342
02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:18,880
Speaker 10: to get money to pay for their fare to keep going.

2343
02:10:20,200 --> 02:10:22,640
Speaker 3: I asked him how the migration had impacted the community

2344
02:10:23,080 --> 02:10:25,200
Speaker 3: with people making a lot of money, I asked, were

2345
02:10:25,200 --> 02:10:27,240
Speaker 3: they mad about the trash and the pollution of the river.

2346
02:10:27,880 --> 02:10:30,440
Speaker 3: These are legitimate concerns, even if they're used in bad

2347
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:31,560
Speaker 3: faith against the migrants.

2348
02:10:31,640 --> 02:10:32,640
Speaker 9: Now it's a more effect.

2349
02:10:32,680 --> 02:10:36,720
Speaker 10: Though nobody is perfect, but I can tell you one thing. Honestly,

2350
02:10:36,920 --> 02:10:38,960
Speaker 10: the migrants suffer a lot to be able to carry

2351
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:41,480
Speaker 10: out this journey. And there are many times when I've

2352
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:43,640
Speaker 10: even had to give them clothes, some because they don't

2353
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:45,720
Speaker 10: have any. And well, when a father and family with

2354
02:10:45,880 --> 02:10:48,839
Speaker 10: children comes, what can I say, Look, I have a family.

2355
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:49,680
Speaker 1: I have to do this.

2356
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:50,120
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2357
02:10:51,240 --> 02:10:53,240
Speaker 3: I asked him what he felt the solution was to

2358
02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:56,640
Speaker 3: the suffering here, the damage done both to people and planet.

2359
02:10:57,360 --> 02:11:02,280
Speaker 10: Hekay, I say that oppressing people so that they don't

2360
02:11:02,280 --> 02:11:04,720
Speaker 10: go through the dairy and it's not the solution because

2361
02:11:04,760 --> 02:11:06,400
Speaker 10: if you put it to the point, even if they

2362
02:11:06,440 --> 02:11:09,240
Speaker 10: don't know an exact percentage, the immigrant gives the economy

2363
02:11:09,240 --> 02:11:12,720
Speaker 10: of the United States a balance because the people born

2364
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:16,160
Speaker 10: there not to criticize them. People born there want a

2365
02:11:16,160 --> 02:11:19,240
Speaker 10: stable job, and he doesn't want to feel like he's very,

2366
02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:22,760
Speaker 10: very low. However, the immigrant is there and he's picking fruit,

2367
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:25,200
Speaker 10: going to the fruit trees, going to the vegetable fields,

2368
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:28,000
Speaker 10: going to the garbage dumps, going picking up things that

2369
02:11:28,120 --> 02:11:32,080
Speaker 10: many Americans who live there don't do, of course, and

2370
02:11:32,200 --> 02:11:33,880
Speaker 10: so they need them to say that they don't go.

2371
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:36,120
Speaker 10: They need the support of the immigrant people to have

2372
02:11:36,240 --> 02:11:37,720
Speaker 10: the balance that they have today.

2373
02:11:41,120 --> 02:11:43,520
Speaker 3: Like a lot of Panamanians I met, he was broadly

2374
02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:46,480
Speaker 3: in solidarity with the migrants. I didn't really encounter anti

2375
02:11:46,520 --> 02:11:49,120
Speaker 3: migrants sentiment atall in my time at Panama. In the

2376
02:11:49,200 --> 02:11:52,200
Speaker 3: capital city, which locals just called Panama but we can

2377
02:11:52,280 --> 02:11:56,560
Speaker 3: call Panama City, migrants are not really physically present, nor

2378
02:11:56,600 --> 02:12:00,120
Speaker 3: are they present in conversation. I found the transition the

2379
02:12:00,240 --> 02:12:03,120
Speaker 3: jungle and the refugee camps back to the bustling city

2380
02:12:03,160 --> 02:12:06,560
Speaker 3: pretty challenging a lot of ways. I find I'm oddly

2381
02:12:06,600 --> 02:12:08,960
Speaker 3: comfortable amidst the chale and trauma of a refugee camp.

2382
02:12:09,800 --> 02:12:11,640
Speaker 3: It's a familiar environment for me, and I know how

2383
02:12:11,640 --> 02:12:14,600
Speaker 3: to conduct myself. I feel safe with the migrants, and

2384
02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:16,920
Speaker 3: I tend to find them very open and welcoming to me.

2385
02:12:17,800 --> 02:12:19,920
Speaker 3: I can talk to anyone and they can talk to me.

2386
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:23,040
Speaker 3: I bring toys for children and try to bring resources

2387
02:12:23,080 --> 02:12:25,040
Speaker 3: for adults, and sometimes I bring my harmonica if I

2388
02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:28,560
Speaker 3: being really cliche in a weird way. Refue camps are

2389
02:12:28,600 --> 02:12:30,920
Speaker 3: a little safe space for me, and even though I

2390
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:33,640
Speaker 3: know it's bad, I can console myself that I'm helping

2391
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:36,120
Speaker 3: a little or at least giving people some hope and

2392
02:12:36,240 --> 02:12:39,560
Speaker 3: some information. That made me feel a bit better. But

2393
02:12:39,680 --> 02:12:41,720
Speaker 3: in the city I found it hard, knowing that people

2394
02:12:41,760 --> 02:12:44,440
Speaker 3: were in a terrible situation and that nobody here seemed

2395
02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:46,840
Speaker 3: to care. I went for a run in the jungle

2396
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:49,240
Speaker 3: near the city, trying to get some perspective and clear

2397
02:12:49,320 --> 02:12:52,080
Speaker 3: my head, but I just ended up screaming and the

2398
02:12:52,160 --> 02:12:55,080
Speaker 3: inconsiderate driver I was angry at them for nearly hitting me.

2399
02:12:55,240 --> 02:12:57,720
Speaker 3: That I was just angry at everyone all over the

2400
02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:00,640
Speaker 3: US and even here in Panama City, for their indifference.

2401
02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:58,000
Speaker 3: It's so much human suffering, the lack of concern about

2402
02:13:58,040 --> 02:14:00,560
Speaker 3: migrants in Panama City. What is so next? At last,

2403
02:14:00,600 --> 02:14:04,920
Speaker 3: blancs even more surprising an announcement of the loudspeakers called

2404
02:14:05,000 --> 02:14:08,560
Speaker 3: several Colombian passport holders to the migration office. At first,

2405
02:14:08,640 --> 02:14:10,000
Speaker 3: it seemed like they were just going to a little

2406
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:12,120
Speaker 3: wooden shed with a couple of CENA Front officers in

2407
02:14:12,200 --> 02:14:16,560
Speaker 3: it to return their documents. I'd already noticed that some migrants,

2408
02:14:16,720 --> 02:14:19,760
Speaker 3: and seemingly most of the African migrants, were being called

2409
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:23,000
Speaker 3: to a different shed to do biometric scans. I wondered

2410
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:25,919
Speaker 3: if this was part of the same process. But shortly thereafter,

2411
02:14:26,520 --> 02:14:28,800
Speaker 3: a truck rolled up and several of the Colombians were

2412
02:14:28,840 --> 02:14:32,600
Speaker 3: loaded in. Apparently neither they nor their partners knew what

2413
02:14:32,760 --> 02:14:35,200
Speaker 3: was going on. They're taking some of the Columbian guys

2414
02:14:35,240 --> 02:14:36,840
Speaker 3: away to report them. You can hear a little kid

2415
02:14:36,920 --> 02:14:55,840
Speaker 3: crying for his dad. Okay this, then they've taken his

2416
02:14:56,000 --> 02:15:00,640
Speaker 3: brother and his brother's wife, taken some other his husband,

2417
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:05,400
Speaker 3: some of the little kid's dads and making them sit

2418
02:15:05,480 --> 02:15:12,960
Speaker 3: on the floor. I don't know why. Yeah, I don't

2419
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:13,520
Speaker 3: know what they're.

2420
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:13,640
Speaker 4: Going to do.

2421
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:22,000
Speaker 3: Now she's trying to give her husband the money and

2422
02:15:22,080 --> 02:15:28,000
Speaker 3: a SIM card so he can call her. Are you

2423
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:30,200
Speaker 3: going to go get some more food? Other morgents approached

2424
02:15:30,200 --> 02:15:32,800
Speaker 3: me to us if I knew, which I didn't. But

2425
02:15:32,920 --> 02:15:34,560
Speaker 3: one lady who'd been there for weeks. Told me that

2426
02:15:34,600 --> 02:15:37,160
Speaker 3: people who leave this way never come back and they

2427
02:15:37,240 --> 02:15:41,800
Speaker 3: end up being deported, so we assume that's what's happening here. Yeah,

2428
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:45,680
Speaker 3: this really sucks. Now they're taking the deportation bus. There's

2429
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:49,480
Speaker 3: men crying because their wives are on their women crying,

2430
02:15:49,640 --> 02:15:52,440
Speaker 3: their husbands are on their kids are crying because their

2431
02:15:52,480 --> 02:15:56,440
Speaker 3: parents are on there, and they've just done this crossing

2432
02:15:56,480 --> 02:16:00,320
Speaker 3: and now they're going to send them back. By the

2433
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:02,080
Speaker 3: time I got back to the city, I was getting

2434
02:16:02,120 --> 02:16:05,240
Speaker 3: texts from migrants with photos of them and handcuffs. More

2435
02:16:05,280 --> 02:16:07,960
Speaker 3: and more of them were being deported, particularly the Colombians.

2436
02:16:08,760 --> 02:16:11,440
Speaker 3: One of them, texting me after being returned to Columbia

2437
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:14,240
Speaker 3: on a flight, gave the following account of detention.

2438
02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:18,880
Speaker 2: They treated us very badly, verbally and psychologically. We all

2439
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:21,080
Speaker 2: had to do our business in the same cell, and

2440
02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:23,320
Speaker 2: they threw food on the floor for us to eat

2441
02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:26,040
Speaker 2: as we were all in handcuffs. They told us that

2442
02:16:26,120 --> 02:16:29,040
Speaker 2: of Venezuelan had burned down the migrant detention center in

2443
02:16:29,120 --> 02:16:31,680
Speaker 2: San Vincente and that we would all pay for it,

2444
02:16:31,960 --> 02:16:34,279
Speaker 2: and that the Colombians didn't need to leave the country

2445
02:16:34,360 --> 02:16:36,640
Speaker 2: because the president there said it was doing well, and

2446
02:16:36,720 --> 02:16:39,280
Speaker 2: there's plenty of work. None of that is true.

2447
02:16:40,320 --> 02:16:43,440
Speaker 3: The Mican facility in Sambacinity was burned out, and the

2448
02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:45,840
Speaker 3: people working there told me it was a Venezuelan migrant

2449
02:16:45,879 --> 02:16:48,280
Speaker 3: who did that. But none of that excuses any of this.

2450
02:16:49,080 --> 02:16:51,600
Speaker 3: We weren't able to access that facility. As a people

2451
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:54,440
Speaker 3: who had detained there can't really consent meaningfully to an interview.

2452
02:16:54,959 --> 02:16:58,160
Speaker 3: That's a fair enough for the action. But the migrant

2453
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:01,520
Speaker 3: who was deported also alleged that they received no hearings

2454
02:17:01,600 --> 02:17:04,240
Speaker 3: or a chance to appeal their deportation. Instead, they were

2455
02:17:04,280 --> 02:17:07,800
Speaker 3: detained for eight days, spent their last US dollars, and

2456
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:10,400
Speaker 3: were then kicked out of the country. They were not

2457
02:17:10,520 --> 02:17:13,520
Speaker 3: detained or arrested upon reaching Columbia, which makes it a

2458
02:17:13,520 --> 02:17:15,880
Speaker 3: little more difficult for me to believe the claim that

2459
02:17:16,040 --> 02:17:18,960
Speaker 3: only people without standing warrants in Columbia were being deported.

2460
02:17:19,520 --> 02:17:22,680
Speaker 3: These weren't the only allegations of mistreatment I heard. Magrants

2461
02:17:22,720 --> 02:17:24,520
Speaker 3: came to me and whispered about the abuse of black

2462
02:17:24,600 --> 02:17:26,960
Speaker 3: migrants who were forced to walk to Lahas Blancos because

2463
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:29,480
Speaker 3: they couldn't afford the boat ride. I should note that

2464
02:17:29,520 --> 02:17:31,640
Speaker 3: it wasn't the migrants who had been robbed or abuse

2465
02:17:31,680 --> 02:17:34,480
Speaker 3: that came to me. It was other migrants. It was

2466
02:17:34,520 --> 02:17:36,160
Speaker 3: a group of guys had given a water filter too.

2467
02:17:36,200 --> 02:17:38,640
Speaker 3: While they were leaving to walk from Lahas Blancas, I

2468
02:17:38,720 --> 02:17:41,840
Speaker 3: hadn't been able to join them, but when they got there,

2469
02:17:42,120 --> 02:17:44,440
Speaker 3: we ran into each other again, and they came up

2470
02:17:44,480 --> 02:17:46,680
Speaker 3: to me to share their concerns for the black men

2471
02:17:46,720 --> 02:17:49,760
Speaker 3: who had walked with them. In one instance, one migrant

2472
02:17:49,879 --> 02:17:51,960
Speaker 3: told me he was robbed by what he called quote

2473
02:17:52,120 --> 02:17:55,920
Speaker 3: police dressed as thieves. The deportations, which seemed to be

2474
02:17:55,959 --> 02:17:59,720
Speaker 3: increasingly commonplace, are being funded by US taxpayer dollars. The

2475
02:17:59,800 --> 02:18:03,120
Speaker 3: same day that Molino took office in July, Homeland Security

2476
02:18:03,240 --> 02:18:07,960
Speaker 3: Secretary Alejandro Majorcas, himself the child of migrants, visited Panama.

2477
02:18:08,640 --> 02:18:11,080
Speaker 3: Panama's a relatively young country and one which the US

2478
02:18:11,160 --> 02:18:13,640
Speaker 3: occupied part of for much of the last century, but

2479
02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:17,640
Speaker 3: despite a real struggle for independence, the Panamanian government didn't

2480
02:18:17,640 --> 02:18:20,480
Speaker 3: seem concerned that the U. S. Secretary of Homeland Security

2481
02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:23,240
Speaker 3: was present at the inauguration of a president in a

2482
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:26,200
Speaker 3: country that is decidedly not the U. S. Homeland. The

2483
02:18:26,280 --> 02:18:29,480
Speaker 3: official DHS readout of his trip notes that the US

2484
02:18:29,560 --> 02:18:32,560
Speaker 3: has enjoyed a flourishing strategic relationship with Panama for over

2485
02:18:32,640 --> 02:18:35,320
Speaker 3: one hundred years, which is certainly one way to sell

2486
02:18:35,400 --> 02:18:38,160
Speaker 3: up decades of occupation, violence, and profit from the Panama

2487
02:18:38,280 --> 02:18:41,000
Speaker 3: Canal and one of the more brutal dictatorships in the

2488
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:44,160
Speaker 3: long list of authoritarian regimes that the US preferred to

2489
02:18:44,200 --> 02:18:47,520
Speaker 3: communist or even socialist governments in the Western Hemisphere. They

2490
02:18:47,560 --> 02:18:50,360
Speaker 3: also announced that the US government would quote help the

2491
02:18:50,400 --> 02:18:53,240
Speaker 3: Panamanian government to remove foreign nationals who do not have

2492
02:18:53,360 --> 02:18:56,880
Speaker 3: a legal basis to remain in Panama. Obviously act to

2493
02:18:57,000 --> 02:18:59,120
Speaker 3: take this moment to note that under the United Nations,

2494
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:01,959
Speaker 3: refugee can vente and refugees do have a legal right

2495
02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:04,360
Speaker 3: to travel through a country on route to another. His

2496
02:19:04,600 --> 02:19:05,800
Speaker 3: Erica describing that right.

2497
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:09,119
Speaker 16: The refuge you can mention is complex that does afford

2498
02:19:09,440 --> 02:19:11,280
Speaker 16: a lot of rights to people who have fled their

2499
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:14,560
Speaker 16: countries based on persecution. You know, you're supposed to be

2500
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:16,840
Speaker 16: able to pass through whichever country you want, go to,

2501
02:19:16,959 --> 02:19:20,760
Speaker 16: whichever country you want, not be criminally prosecuted for crossing

2502
02:19:20,800 --> 02:19:23,040
Speaker 16: the border between ports of entry, and not be turned

2503
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:24,760
Speaker 16: back to a country where you face harm.

2504
02:19:25,360 --> 02:19:28,000
Speaker 3: The US allocated six million dollars for a six month

2505
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:32,480
Speaker 3: pilot program of repatriations. If the program meets the USA's goals,

2506
02:19:32,680 --> 02:19:34,960
Speaker 3: they might consider expanding it to other countries along the

2507
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:39,400
Speaker 3: migrant route. According to reporting in Enruters, as of early October,

2508
02:19:39,520 --> 02:19:42,520
Speaker 3: they've deported five hundred and thirty people to Colombia. That's

2509
02:19:42,560 --> 02:19:44,600
Speaker 3: half the people I saw arriving in a single day

2510
02:19:44,640 --> 02:19:49,320
Speaker 3: in Bahjojigito. Because Panama's government and Venezuela's government have ceased

2511
02:19:49,360 --> 02:19:53,000
Speaker 3: relations after the election, Panamara is now struggling to deport

2512
02:19:53,080 --> 02:19:55,840
Speaker 3: Venezuelan's back to Venezuela, and it's actively searching for a

2513
02:19:55,959 --> 02:19:58,960
Speaker 3: third country into which to deport them. But even if

2514
02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:02,080
Speaker 3: the program resulted one planeloaded day, which it hasn't yet,

2515
02:20:02,360 --> 02:20:04,200
Speaker 3: that would be roughly ten percent of the total dadly

2516
02:20:04,280 --> 02:20:07,760
Speaker 3: in traffic and far fewer planes are traveling. What it

2517
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:11,280
Speaker 3: will do, like so many other DHS policies, is play

2518
02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:14,560
Speaker 3: into the hands of smugglers. Already, new ocean roots are

2519
02:20:14,600 --> 02:20:17,440
Speaker 3: being used, which see migrants, many of whom cannot swim,

2520
02:20:17,560 --> 02:20:20,960
Speaker 3: taking lung journeys around Panama on ill equipped boats. This

2521
02:20:21,080 --> 02:20:24,440
Speaker 3: doesn't help anyone apart from the DHS contractors and staff,

2522
02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:28,320
Speaker 3: equipping and training Panamanian personnel, and the human traffickers making

2523
02:20:28,400 --> 02:20:31,520
Speaker 3: more and more money from migration. I also shopkeeper his

2524
02:20:31,640 --> 02:20:32,240
Speaker 3: opinion on this.

2525
02:20:34,280 --> 02:20:38,360
Speaker 9: To look.

2526
02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:40,120
Speaker 10: I'll tell you I think that instead of giving them

2527
02:20:40,200 --> 02:20:43,360
Speaker 10: a reward for deportation, they should give them support, a

2528
02:20:43,440 --> 02:20:46,400
Speaker 10: lot of support, because it is a huge sacrifice to

2529
02:20:46,480 --> 02:20:49,320
Speaker 10: leave your country where you were born, your children, your family,

2530
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:52,040
Speaker 10: leave it to be able to have a future, and

2531
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:54,160
Speaker 10: you go with your mentality that your future is the

2532
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:57,119
Speaker 10: United States that will give you an opportunity to get

2533
02:20:57,120 --> 02:21:01,440
Speaker 10: ahead and give well being to your children. Now, ten

2534
02:21:01,480 --> 02:21:03,440
Speaker 10: percent of those who go are going to destroy the

2535
02:21:03,480 --> 02:21:06,280
Speaker 10: good name of the migrants, But what people really want

2536
02:21:06,360 --> 02:21:10,920
Speaker 10: to do is help their family, and this balance unbalances

2537
02:21:11,080 --> 02:21:13,280
Speaker 10: everything that is being done by good people, because there

2538
02:21:13,320 --> 02:21:16,400
Speaker 10: are many good people who want to get ahead, and

2539
02:21:16,520 --> 02:21:19,600
Speaker 10: I think that the United States should support give support

2540
02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:21,720
Speaker 10: to people who really want to fight and move forward.

2541
02:21:21,800 --> 02:21:24,480
Speaker 10: As I just told you, they give a lot of

2542
02:21:24,520 --> 02:21:26,400
Speaker 10: benefit they contribute to the country.

2543
02:21:49,560 --> 02:22:01,520
Speaker 3: After leaving last blank, I felt pretty down about the

2544
02:22:01,560 --> 02:22:03,240
Speaker 3: fact that people were just hitting a wall that they

2545
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:06,480
Speaker 3: couldn't overcome. Since then, I've stayed in touch with many

2546
02:22:06,520 --> 02:22:09,080
Speaker 3: of them. For some a friend or family members able

2547
02:22:09,160 --> 02:22:10,880
Speaker 3: to send the money, and they made it to costantly

2548
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:13,879
Speaker 3: on the bus. From there, they crossed quickly into Nicaragua

2549
02:22:14,120 --> 02:22:16,960
Speaker 3: and Guatemala before arriving in the Mexican border city of

2550
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:20,200
Speaker 3: Tapatula in the state of Chiapas and ironically not so

2551
02:22:20,440 --> 02:22:23,480
Speaker 3: very far from whether Zapatistas made their revolution thirty years ago.

2552
02:22:24,280 --> 02:22:26,680
Speaker 3: Once they crossed the southern border of Mexico, migrants can

2553
02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:29,680
Speaker 3: begin their application for asylum using the CBP one app

2554
02:22:29,720 --> 02:22:31,720
Speaker 3: that we've talked about so much on the show before.

2555
02:22:32,440 --> 02:22:34,760
Speaker 3: They can use it in Tabasco and Chiapas, the southern

2556
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:37,400
Speaker 3: border states, and then once again when they're north of

2557
02:22:37,480 --> 02:22:40,840
Speaker 3: Mexico City. To recap very briefly, the app is terrible

2558
02:22:40,879 --> 02:22:44,240
Speaker 3: and almost every way, including its inability to recognize blackfaces.

2559
02:22:44,480 --> 02:22:47,280
Speaker 3: It's limited functionality on Android phones, which are a vast

2560
02:22:47,360 --> 02:22:50,840
Speaker 3: majority of devices used by migrants, It's constant crashing, and

2561
02:22:50,879 --> 02:22:53,359
Speaker 3: an eight to nine month wait time for asylum appointments.

2562
02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:55,880
Speaker 3: His Erica explaining some of those problems.

2563
02:22:56,200 --> 02:22:59,840
Speaker 16: You have to have a relatively new smartphone, you have

2564
02:23:00,280 --> 02:23:03,480
Speaker 16: to have an address, all the people you're traveling with

2565
02:23:03,640 --> 02:23:05,840
Speaker 16: have to be with you, right and you have to

2566
02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:10,760
Speaker 16: first get through the initial kind of registration phase.

2567
02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:12,920
Speaker 19: Which doesn't always work. The program is very glitchy.

2568
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:17,320
Speaker 16: You have to take a live photo and you have

2569
02:23:17,480 --> 02:23:20,160
Speaker 16: to wait essentially, so you know, it's kind of random too.

2570
02:23:20,240 --> 02:23:22,560
Speaker 16: Some people will get an appointment within three months, but

2571
02:23:22,600 --> 02:23:24,760
Speaker 16: I would say most people are waiting nine to twelve.

2572
02:23:25,080 --> 02:23:25,720
Speaker 19: At this point.

2573
02:23:26,200 --> 02:23:28,840
Speaker 16: You don't have any legal status in Mexico while you're waiting,

2574
02:23:28,959 --> 02:23:33,160
Speaker 16: unless you can apply for some other status in Mexico independently.

2575
02:23:34,120 --> 02:23:36,400
Speaker 3: Then it is yet very poorly designed. It's also a

2576
02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:40,039
Speaker 3: de facto a metering system. Want assign Them's Erica explaining.

2577
02:23:39,640 --> 02:23:43,440
Speaker 16: That we've been litigating against the use of CBP one

2578
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:46,040
Speaker 16: for a few years now. My organization out at the

2579
02:23:46,120 --> 02:23:49,680
Speaker 16: Level and Patient Bridge Alliance, and the reason why we

2580
02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:54,760
Speaker 16: are fighting against the required use of CBP one is

2581
02:23:54,879 --> 02:23:58,840
Speaker 16: first because it is an illegal metering system. So we've

2582
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:02,520
Speaker 16: already litigated the fact that there is no number limit

2583
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:05,840
Speaker 16: on the amount of individuals who can seek asylum at

2584
02:24:05,879 --> 02:24:09,080
Speaker 16: the US Mexico border, and Customs and Border Protection legally

2585
02:24:09,200 --> 02:24:11,039
Speaker 16: does not have the right to turn people.

2586
02:24:10,840 --> 02:24:16,040
Speaker 19: Away and CBP one essentially allows them to do that.

2587
02:24:16,240 --> 02:24:19,960
Speaker 16: You know, there were physical meterings at ports of entry

2588
02:24:20,040 --> 02:24:24,440
Speaker 16: before CBP one was implemented as essentially the only way

2589
02:24:24,520 --> 02:24:26,800
Speaker 16: to access the US asylum system at ports of entry,

2590
02:24:27,360 --> 02:24:30,600
Speaker 16: and now it's a digital metering list and it's very limited.

2591
02:24:31,240 --> 02:24:34,000
Speaker 3: Recently, the Department of Homeland Security lost a court case

2592
02:24:34,040 --> 02:24:36,840
Speaker 3: which forced them to release records in there with some

2593
02:24:36,920 --> 02:24:39,840
Speaker 3: of the app plugs and data regarding CBP one. I'm

2594
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:42,360
Speaker 3: still in the phase of coming through that asking my friends,

2595
02:24:42,400 --> 02:24:44,640
Speaker 3: you know more about technologies than I do, to explain

2596
02:24:44,680 --> 02:24:47,480
Speaker 3: exactly what the limitations with the app are. But it

2597
02:24:47,560 --> 02:24:51,080
Speaker 3: doesn't really matter. DHS is well aware of the app's floors,

2598
02:24:51,240 --> 02:24:53,000
Speaker 3: and it doesn't really seem to see the most flaws

2599
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:55,119
Speaker 3: at all. The goal of the app is to make

2600
02:24:55,160 --> 02:24:58,720
Speaker 3: it harder for people, even those with very legitimate asylum claims,

2601
02:24:58,800 --> 02:25:02,080
Speaker 3: to obtain asylum in the use. As we heard yesterday,

2602
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:05,840
Speaker 3: the CHNV program is no better a recently Reddit thread

2603
02:25:05,840 --> 02:25:08,280
Speaker 3: of applicants who've been waiting nearly two years. What it

2604
02:25:08,320 --> 02:25:11,120
Speaker 3: didn't mention yesterday is a parallel program for another group

2605
02:25:11,160 --> 02:25:13,039
Speaker 3: of migrants, which I'll let Erica explain.

2606
02:25:13,320 --> 02:25:16,000
Speaker 19: I want to mention the fact that there is a

2607
02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:16,960
Speaker 19: cap right.

2608
02:25:17,080 --> 02:25:19,520
Speaker 16: I think it's thirty thousand a month or something like

2609
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:22,920
Speaker 16: that for those four countries. But it's almost identical to

2610
02:25:22,959 --> 02:25:27,640
Speaker 16: the Ukrainian United for a Ukraine program, which doesn't have

2611
02:25:27,720 --> 02:25:30,760
Speaker 16: a cap right, so there's no limit to how many

2612
02:25:30,879 --> 02:25:34,680
Speaker 16: Ukrainians can get the same benefit. And they are renewing

2613
02:25:34,920 --> 02:25:37,760
Speaker 16: the humanitarian prole for Ukrainians, which I believe was just

2614
02:25:37,800 --> 02:25:40,360
Speaker 16: announced almost within weeks of them announcing that they're not

2615
02:25:41,080 --> 02:25:44,920
Speaker 16: renewing for the other four countries. So it's really a

2616
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:50,840
Speaker 16: very stark demonstration of how the US immigration system, even when.

2617
02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:54,320
Speaker 19: It's a relatively nearer benefit, is based on race, is

2618
02:25:54,400 --> 02:25:56,760
Speaker 19: based on which country you're from.

2619
02:25:57,360 --> 02:25:59,880
Speaker 3: What this means is it in practice the migrants I

2620
02:26:00,040 --> 02:26:02,959
Speaker 3: spoke to face a long and dangerous way in Mexico

2621
02:26:03,640 --> 02:26:06,880
Speaker 3: while others skip ahead. I've got nothing against the Ukrainians,

2622
02:26:06,879 --> 02:26:09,280
Speaker 3: and I don't think many of them do either. I

2623
02:26:09,400 --> 02:26:12,640
Speaker 3: tried to go to Ukraine and report, but the Avisas

2624
02:26:12,680 --> 02:26:14,440
Speaker 3: ended up taking so long that I missed the flights

2625
02:26:14,480 --> 02:26:17,800
Speaker 3: that I'd booked. I have, however, a serious problem with

2626
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:20,879
Speaker 3: a Biden administration which left people who fought alongside its

2627
02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:24,000
Speaker 3: own US troops to die in Afghanistan and turned away

2628
02:26:24,120 --> 02:26:26,840
Speaker 3: migrants small over the world, but then opened its arms

2629
02:26:26,879 --> 02:26:29,320
Speaker 3: to a country that just happened to have the majority

2630
02:26:29,320 --> 02:26:31,520
Speaker 3: of its citizens be the same race as the president.

2631
02:26:32,120 --> 02:26:35,320
Speaker 3: It's cruel and it's wrong, and it's barely ever even

2632
02:26:35,400 --> 02:26:38,840
Speaker 3: mentioned in national media coverage. But there's not fortunate enough

2633
02:26:38,879 --> 02:26:41,520
Speaker 3: to be Ukrainian. Here's what waiting in Mexico looks like.

2634
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:47,200
Speaker 16: The incidence of crime directed at migrants is horrifyingly high.

2635
02:26:48,400 --> 02:26:52,160
Speaker 16: We had done an electronic survey a few years ago,

2636
02:26:52,280 --> 02:26:54,880
Speaker 16: and this was during Title forty two, when people were

2637
02:26:54,920 --> 02:26:58,200
Speaker 16: just being expelled to Mexico, and if I remember correctly,

2638
02:26:59,000 --> 02:27:01,400
Speaker 16: it was like around twenty five to thirty percent of

2639
02:27:01,440 --> 02:27:07,280
Speaker 16: people have been either raged, such traffic, assaulted, hidnapped.

2640
02:27:07,360 --> 02:27:08,600
Speaker 19: I mean, the list goes on and on.

2641
02:27:09,480 --> 02:27:12,000
Speaker 16: We've seen a lot of people lose their lives just

2642
02:27:12,120 --> 02:27:15,720
Speaker 16: due to violence, and the kidnapping rates are through the roof.

2643
02:27:16,480 --> 02:27:18,640
Speaker 3: Almost every one you've heard from in this series is

2644
02:27:18,680 --> 02:27:22,520
Speaker 3: now stuck in Mexico. Some of them have been kidnapped, paid,

2645
02:27:22,600 --> 02:27:25,560
Speaker 3: ransomed and released. Some of them have been sexually assaulted,

2646
02:27:26,280 --> 02:27:28,640
Speaker 3: many of them have been robbed. Some of them have

2647
02:27:29,080 --> 02:27:31,560
Speaker 3: after surviving one of the most deadly land migration routes

2648
02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:34,360
Speaker 3: on Earth been killed while waiting in Mexico for an

2649
02:27:34,360 --> 02:27:37,240
Speaker 3: app to stop crashing on their phones. Over a week

2650
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:39,680
Speaker 3: since I got home, I've seen them go gradually more

2651
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:42,880
Speaker 3: desperate and afraid just to get to Mexico. Many of

2652
02:27:42,920 --> 02:27:46,320
Speaker 3: them have spent several thousand dollars. Once they're in Capatula,

2653
02:27:46,560 --> 02:27:49,040
Speaker 3: they're faced with the astronomical costs for the trip north,

2654
02:27:49,400 --> 02:27:52,760
Speaker 3: often several thousand dollars more, and many of them, their

2655
02:27:52,800 --> 02:27:56,119
Speaker 3: phones exhausted, have slept on the streets. Those who didn't

2656
02:27:56,120 --> 02:27:59,400
Speaker 3: speak Spanish struggled to find refuge. Those who did wanted

2657
02:27:59,400 --> 02:28:02,200
Speaker 3: to move quickly, but struggle to find the money. Here

2658
02:28:02,200 --> 02:28:04,360
Speaker 3: are the Iranian migrants you heard early in the series,

2659
02:28:04,480 --> 02:28:06,879
Speaker 3: explaining what they'd already heard about CBP one.

2660
02:28:07,280 --> 02:28:11,160
Speaker 9: It's so tough because the some polices in their way,

2661
02:28:11,480 --> 02:28:17,560
Speaker 9: they took our money that we came from Iran. It

2662
02:28:17,760 --> 02:28:23,000
Speaker 9: was so difficult for us and resumed the way. So Mexico,

2663
02:28:23,400 --> 02:28:27,880
Speaker 9: Mexico is so difficult for us, and something is CPP

2664
02:28:28,160 --> 02:28:34,920
Speaker 9: one is not working for our for us, for Iranian people, yeah,

2665
02:28:35,120 --> 02:28:38,480
Speaker 9: I know the people who are in Mexico City for

2666
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:44,640
Speaker 9: about three months, for three months, yeah, yeah, because of that,

2667
02:28:45,400 --> 02:28:46,600
Speaker 9: Iranian people go to.

2668
02:28:46,680 --> 02:28:47,360
Speaker 8: The wall and.

2669
02:28:49,680 --> 02:28:53,480
Speaker 9: It's it's it's not our choice, we have to do this.

2670
02:28:54,480 --> 02:28:57,120
Speaker 3: We don't want them, but it's we have to do this. Yeah,

2671
02:28:57,240 --> 02:28:59,960
Speaker 3: it's good to explain. According to a study can there

2672
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:02,240
Speaker 3: to the University of Texas, wait times are as high

2673
02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:05,440
Speaker 3: as eight or nine months on average. Now Mexico announce

2674
02:29:05,480 --> 02:29:07,160
Speaker 3: on the thirty first of August that it will provide

2675
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:09,680
Speaker 3: security and food for migrants who have an appointment to

2676
02:29:09,760 --> 02:29:11,920
Speaker 3: travel north from the south of the country to the

2677
02:29:11,920 --> 02:29:14,920
Speaker 3: place where they have a CVP one appointment. Migrets absolutely

2678
02:29:14,959 --> 02:29:16,880
Speaker 3: have been robbed or kidnapped on their way to their

2679
02:29:16,920 --> 02:29:19,200
Speaker 3: appointment and missed it as a result, but they are

2680
02:29:19,360 --> 02:29:21,280
Speaker 3: just as honorable in the eight or nine months that

2681
02:29:21,360 --> 02:29:24,240
Speaker 3: they have to wait for one. Margarets and Tapajula are

2682
02:29:24,280 --> 02:29:26,800
Speaker 3: at a very high risk for kidnapping and are often

2683
02:29:26,879 --> 02:29:30,600
Speaker 3: held until their families pay ransoms. But without money or

2684
02:29:30,600 --> 02:29:33,880
Speaker 3: an appointment, their little means of leaving the city. Some

2685
02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:36,160
Speaker 3: choose to travel a little further north and then hop

2686
02:29:36,200 --> 02:29:39,240
Speaker 3: on a freight train known as Labstia the Beast, an

2687
02:29:39,320 --> 02:29:42,520
Speaker 3: extraordinarily risky endeavor that several of the people I spoke

2688
02:29:42,560 --> 02:29:45,240
Speaker 3: to for this series have undertaken. The only place to

2689
02:29:45,320 --> 02:29:48,360
Speaker 3: ride on these trains is on top of carriages, exposing

2690
02:29:48,440 --> 02:29:51,560
Speaker 3: migrants to freezing temperatures in the desert night. Even on

2691
02:29:51,680 --> 02:29:55,240
Speaker 3: the train, they're not safe from kidnapping. Like many migrants,

2692
02:29:55,600 --> 02:29:58,360
Speaker 3: the Ranian group will well informed about domestic politics in

2693
02:29:58,400 --> 02:30:01,360
Speaker 3: the US, and they say when they made their journey north,

2694
02:30:01,400 --> 02:30:03,280
Speaker 3: they wanted to be sure to avoid the state where

2695
02:30:03,320 --> 02:30:06,000
Speaker 3: local law enforcement was likely to turn them over for deportation.

2696
02:30:07,240 --> 02:30:09,880
Speaker 3: In reality, that could be any of the states, but

2697
02:30:09,959 --> 02:30:11,720
Speaker 3: they're probably right that their life would be a little

2698
02:30:11,720 --> 02:30:12,720
Speaker 3: easier on the West coast.

2699
02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:17,680
Speaker 9: I heard it's so difficult and about three months, four months,

2700
02:30:18,280 --> 02:30:21,240
Speaker 9: more than seven months, they will arrest us in the US.

2701
02:30:21,720 --> 02:30:27,000
Speaker 9: I heard in Mississippi it takes us in the middle. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2702
02:30:27,240 --> 02:30:31,640
Speaker 9: I think just the California is a little little little bit.

2703
02:30:32,040 --> 02:30:32,200
Speaker 14: Yeah.

2704
02:30:32,600 --> 02:30:36,600
Speaker 8: Surely our money is very excuse me, shits money in

2705
02:30:36,760 --> 02:30:40,240
Speaker 8: the world, and we have to pay a lot of

2706
02:30:40,480 --> 02:30:44,800
Speaker 8: money for this way because because.

2707
02:30:44,600 --> 02:30:45,520
Speaker 3: Our one.

2708
02:30:48,080 --> 02:30:50,199
Speaker 9: One dollar is sixty thousand.

2709
02:30:52,440 --> 02:30:55,120
Speaker 3: Some of course, which used to cross the border between

2710
02:30:55,200 --> 02:30:58,160
Speaker 3: ports ventry as they become desperate to see their families

2711
02:30:58,840 --> 02:31:02,720
Speaker 3: or afraid of remaining in Exico. Since President Biden's executive

2712
02:31:02,760 --> 02:31:06,640
Speaker 3: audier earlier this summer. Doing this can result expedited removal proceedings,

2713
02:31:07,200 --> 02:31:10,680
Speaker 3: and effectively, Biden's new ruling denies asylum by default to

2714
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:13,879
Speaker 3: anyone crossing the border when daily crossings have passed twenty

2715
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:17,119
Speaker 3: five hundred. In fact, this is the continuation of extremely

2716
02:31:17,200 --> 02:31:20,160
Speaker 3: punitive and cruel politics that have been in place since

2717
02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:23,200
Speaker 3: he was finally forced to stop using Title forty two, which,

2718
02:31:23,200 --> 02:31:25,039
Speaker 3: if you're not aware, is a public health law used

2719
02:31:25,080 --> 02:31:28,080
Speaker 3: by the Trump administration and embraced by the Biden administration

2720
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:30,800
Speaker 3: as an asylum law. It has already resulted in the

2721
02:31:30,879 --> 02:31:33,800
Speaker 3: deportation to people back to places where they have extremely

2722
02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:37,360
Speaker 3: credible fears of harm and created a system whereby migrants

2723
02:31:37,400 --> 02:31:39,400
Speaker 3: have no idea how they will be treated on any

2724
02:31:39,440 --> 02:31:42,240
Speaker 3: given day. Again, it's play into the hands of anyone

2725
02:31:42,280 --> 02:31:44,560
Speaker 3: seeking to smoke or migrants into the country and detected,

2726
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:47,720
Speaker 3: while also harming innocent people coming to this country to

2727
02:31:47,800 --> 02:31:51,000
Speaker 3: ask for protection. His Erica's short history of Biden's asylum

2728
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:52,119
Speaker 3: policy since last year.

2729
02:31:52,480 --> 02:31:55,560
Speaker 16: So when the Biden administration lift at Title forty two,

2730
02:31:56,560 --> 02:32:00,640
Speaker 16: they essentially imposed what I call transit van.

2731
02:32:00,840 --> 02:32:04,560
Speaker 19: So there's a couple of components to it. One is,

2732
02:32:05,200 --> 02:32:06,680
Speaker 19: if you do not enter.

2733
02:32:06,640 --> 02:32:08,640
Speaker 16: The United States out of port of entry with a

2734
02:32:08,720 --> 02:32:13,959
Speaker 16: CDP one appointment, you are presumed ineligible for asylum unless

2735
02:32:14,040 --> 02:32:17,320
Speaker 16: you fall under a few narrow exceptions which are not

2736
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:20,920
Speaker 16: consistently applied. So the exceptions are things like you were

2737
02:32:20,959 --> 02:32:23,959
Speaker 16: having a medical emergency, you were running for your life,

2738
02:32:24,240 --> 02:32:26,680
Speaker 16: you know, you couldn't access the app for some reason.

2739
02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:32,160
Speaker 16: But in practice those exceptions are almost never applied at ports.

2740
02:32:32,360 --> 02:32:37,000
Speaker 16: There's been a few kind of alternative programs run by

2741
02:32:37,080 --> 02:32:41,400
Speaker 16: shelters or local governments, where people with extreme medical vulnerabilities,

2742
02:32:41,400 --> 02:32:44,720
Speaker 16: for example, can be let in without an appointment, but

2743
02:32:45,080 --> 02:32:48,960
Speaker 16: we don't know whether the ban applies to them once

2744
02:32:49,000 --> 02:32:52,120
Speaker 16: they enter without that appointment, right, So it's like I said,

2745
02:32:52,160 --> 02:32:55,840
Speaker 16: inconsistently applied exceptions. If you enter between a port of entry,

2746
02:32:56,280 --> 02:32:59,160
Speaker 16: you're presumed and eligible for asylum again unless you meet

2747
02:32:59,280 --> 02:33:03,119
Speaker 16: some therew except and what that means is you can still.

2748
02:33:02,959 --> 02:33:05,440
Speaker 19: Apply for other types of protection in the United States.

2749
02:33:05,560 --> 02:33:10,280
Speaker 16: So there's two principal types of protection. One it's called

2750
02:33:10,320 --> 02:33:13,640
Speaker 16: withholding of removal, which is like asylum but with a

2751
02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:16,840
Speaker 16: higher standard, and then the other is Convention against Torture

2752
02:33:17,480 --> 02:33:20,040
Speaker 16: which you just have to prove it's more likely than

2753
02:33:20,120 --> 02:33:22,600
Speaker 16: not that your own government will torture you, which is

2754
02:33:22,760 --> 02:33:26,080
Speaker 16: more extreme than persecution, but isn't necessarily based on a

2755
02:33:26,160 --> 02:33:28,600
Speaker 16: protected ground, So the torture could be for any reason,

2756
02:33:29,200 --> 02:33:32,600
Speaker 16: but it's a high hurdle. But the most important thing

2757
02:33:32,879 --> 02:33:36,760
Speaker 16: is those two types of protection are not path to citizenship,

2758
02:33:36,959 --> 02:33:39,720
Speaker 16: and they do not allow you to petition for your family. So,

2759
02:33:39,840 --> 02:33:43,000
Speaker 16: for example, if you get asylum in the US and

2760
02:33:43,120 --> 02:33:45,039
Speaker 16: then you want to ask for your wife and children

2761
02:33:45,080 --> 02:33:47,480
Speaker 16: to join you, there is an avenue for that, and

2762
02:33:47,640 --> 02:33:51,240
Speaker 16: all of you can eventually become citizens. Withholding of removal

2763
02:33:51,360 --> 02:33:54,520
Speaker 16: and convention against torture, you basically get a work permit.

2764
02:33:55,560 --> 02:33:56,320
Speaker 19: If conditions in.

2765
02:33:56,320 --> 02:33:59,320
Speaker 16: Your country change, they can support you, and you can

2766
02:33:59,400 --> 02:34:02,240
Speaker 16: never leave states and you can never reunify with your family,

2767
02:34:02,400 --> 02:34:03,760
Speaker 16: and you could ever become a citizen.

2768
02:34:04,680 --> 02:34:08,000
Speaker 3: This won't deter people. I speak to people every day

2769
02:34:08,040 --> 02:34:11,320
Speaker 3: who cross the Daddy, Yet we're kidnapped, robbed, and sometimes

2770
02:34:11,440 --> 02:34:14,040
Speaker 3: raped on their way here. They're going through all of

2771
02:34:14,120 --> 02:34:16,600
Speaker 3: that because we refuse to give people a dignified or

2772
02:34:16,640 --> 02:34:19,040
Speaker 3: safe way to come here. They know it's a risk,

2773
02:34:19,320 --> 02:34:21,400
Speaker 3: and they continue to come because they think it's the

2774
02:34:21,520 --> 02:34:24,400
Speaker 3: only option his powers from coming rou and explaining that

2775
02:34:25,040 --> 02:34:25,720
Speaker 3: it's deadly.

2776
02:34:26,400 --> 02:34:28,760
Speaker 5: How will lie to you. It's fifty to fifty alive

2777
02:34:28,840 --> 02:34:32,120
Speaker 5: on it, honestly speaking. But we had to take their

2778
02:34:32,200 --> 02:34:35,000
Speaker 5: rigs because I think that was only all shroma we had.

2779
02:34:37,440 --> 02:34:40,360
Speaker 3: If you can't imagine taking those risks, it's likely because

2780
02:34:40,360 --> 02:34:42,800
Speaker 3: you can't imagine the things these people are leaving behind either.

2781
02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:46,000
Speaker 3: As a conflict reporter, I've been able to see a

2782
02:34:46,040 --> 02:34:51,360
Speaker 3: small amount of what they're fleeing war, death, poverty, state violence.

2783
02:34:52,080 --> 02:34:53,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd be brave or strong enough

2784
02:34:53,800 --> 02:34:55,400
Speaker 3: to do the same, but I have a lot of

2785
02:34:55,440 --> 02:34:58,920
Speaker 3: respect for people who can. Tomorrow we're going to talk

2786
02:34:58,920 --> 02:35:01,000
Speaker 3: about the people who help them along the way and

2787
02:35:01,120 --> 02:35:03,280
Speaker 3: what you can do to support them. When the state worked,

2788
02:35:30,959 --> 02:35:31,959
Speaker 3: just you.

2789
02:35:32,160 --> 02:35:35,120
Speaker 6: Finding yourself there and seeing how the environment looks like

2790
02:35:35,240 --> 02:35:37,360
Speaker 6: you feel like you should give up. I cried it

2791
02:35:38,200 --> 02:35:41,560
Speaker 6: grace of work for you to actually stand by us,

2792
02:35:41,560 --> 02:35:45,000
Speaker 6: say no, I'll keep on struggling. A lot of people

2793
02:35:45,040 --> 02:35:45,920
Speaker 6: who give up.

2794
02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:47,000
Speaker 18: There a lot of people.

2795
02:35:47,360 --> 02:35:50,720
Speaker 6: Someone died, the lady died. People who were crying. Yeah, yes,

2796
02:35:51,080 --> 02:35:53,960
Speaker 6: we let people swear crying. They didn't know how they

2797
02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:58,560
Speaker 6: could continue. It's not an easy situation. It's not really

2798
02:35:58,600 --> 02:36:02,720
Speaker 6: an easy situation. It's just the grace of God for us,

2799
02:36:03,680 --> 02:36:06,119
Speaker 6: because I can't say it's by my strength. It's actually

2800
02:36:06,240 --> 02:36:09,160
Speaker 6: the grace of God. Because what we actually went through,

2801
02:36:09,400 --> 02:36:12,600
Speaker 6: we met people living collapsed. We had to help them.

2802
02:36:12,959 --> 02:36:15,680
Speaker 6: You meet your body, you give a lifting hand. It's

2803
02:36:15,840 --> 02:36:18,560
Speaker 6: not really an easy thing. It's not something that if

2804
02:36:19,000 --> 02:36:21,880
Speaker 6: we are fine tomorrow, can advise any of our family

2805
02:36:21,959 --> 02:36:24,640
Speaker 6: members to go through, because it's so deaf. It's risky

2806
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:27,840
Speaker 6: if your family member is in there and it's not out.

2807
02:36:28,400 --> 02:36:30,320
Speaker 6: It takes the grace of God for you to even

2808
02:36:30,520 --> 02:36:33,200
Speaker 6: lie on your bed and close all your eyes either.

2809
02:36:33,360 --> 02:36:36,160
Speaker 21: Once I survived by the grace of God, I almost drowned.

2810
02:36:36,280 --> 02:36:40,039
Speaker 21: It's fact I was drowning. By the grace of God.

2811
02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:45,520
Speaker 21: I was rescued, yeh, some guys that rescued me. I

2812
02:36:45,640 --> 02:36:46,440
Speaker 21: was already drowned.

2813
02:36:46,520 --> 02:36:47,240
Speaker 7: I was gone.

2814
02:36:47,440 --> 02:36:48,080
Speaker 17: I was gone.

2815
02:36:48,720 --> 02:36:50,160
Speaker 9: I was drinking water.

2816
02:36:50,280 --> 02:36:54,040
Speaker 3: Very readily all throughout the journey. North Margarets have a

2817
02:36:54,120 --> 02:36:56,000
Speaker 3: little choice but to rely on one another and the

2818
02:36:56,080 --> 02:36:59,680
Speaker 3: solidarity of strangers. I heard dozens of stories that you've

2819
02:36:59,760 --> 02:37:02,760
Speaker 3: just heard. My time in the Dai n total strangers

2820
02:37:02,879 --> 02:37:05,640
Speaker 3: who saved each other's lives risk their own in the process.

2821
02:37:06,520 --> 02:37:08,280
Speaker 3: For vers, it could only be crossed to People from

2822
02:37:08,320 --> 02:37:11,080
Speaker 3: three different continents joined arms to form a human chain

2823
02:37:11,280 --> 02:37:13,440
Speaker 3: the children and smaller people could hold on to to

2824
02:37:13,480 --> 02:37:18,040
Speaker 3: avoid being swept downstream. Not everyone can help. Just surviving

2825
02:37:18,080 --> 02:37:20,800
Speaker 3: the Dadian takes all of what many people have. But

2826
02:37:20,920 --> 02:37:22,920
Speaker 3: for the people who are in a position to even

2827
02:37:22,959 --> 02:37:26,720
Speaker 3: in desperate times, there's mutual support among the migrants. Very

2828
02:37:26,800 --> 02:37:27,560
Speaker 3: few people who.

2829
02:37:27,480 --> 02:37:31,280
Speaker 6: Are very help you. They're very few people. Only people

2830
02:37:31,320 --> 02:37:34,119
Speaker 6: who are time can actually help. That people will pass

2831
02:37:34,280 --> 02:37:36,680
Speaker 6: you by, and that people want If you have lost

2832
02:37:36,760 --> 02:37:39,080
Speaker 6: your strength, it's not easy for another person to actually

2833
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:43,120
Speaker 6: help break though, we can really appreciate those who help, because, yeah,

2834
02:37:43,560 --> 02:37:46,360
Speaker 6: having your strength is another You must help yourself before

2835
02:37:46,400 --> 02:37:48,959
Speaker 6: you can help another past, right, So if you can't

2836
02:37:49,000 --> 02:37:50,880
Speaker 6: really have the strength, it will be difficult for need

2837
02:37:50,920 --> 02:37:53,440
Speaker 6: to help another. So we don't really condemn them, but

2838
02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:56,640
Speaker 6: at least we are praying where we are bleeding on

2839
02:37:56,760 --> 02:37:59,600
Speaker 6: our brothers worst still behind that if they meet people,

2840
02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:02,320
Speaker 6: if they have the ability to herpe, they should do so.

2841
02:38:02,480 --> 02:38:05,640
Speaker 6: Of course, it's not really uneasy something.

2842
02:38:06,879 --> 02:38:14,600
Speaker 3: Give sometimes reporting on these places compete them as bleak, unwelcoming,

2843
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:17,840
Speaker 3: or just miserable and certainly very sad. Things happen in

2844
02:38:17,879 --> 02:38:20,960
Speaker 3: the jungle and in the camps, in human things, But

2845
02:38:21,200 --> 02:38:24,640
Speaker 3: just like war or a natural disaster, sometimes the horrible

2846
02:38:24,680 --> 02:38:27,600
Speaker 3: circumstances of the migration trail bring out the best in people.

2847
02:38:28,400 --> 02:38:31,120
Speaker 3: As I've said before in this series, I'm comfortable in

2848
02:38:31,160 --> 02:38:33,760
Speaker 3: the refugee camps, at least in part because people they

2849
02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:36,640
Speaker 3: are looking out for one another. Kids don't stop playing

2850
02:38:36,680 --> 02:38:39,480
Speaker 3: the moment they become refugees, not an adults stop laughing.

2851
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:42,760
Speaker 3: In fact, these things become even more important that how

2852
02:38:42,800 --> 02:38:45,800
Speaker 3: we keep our humanity in a system that's inherently dehumanizing,

2853
02:38:46,320 --> 02:38:49,119
Speaker 3: And people don't stop organizing or caring about one another either.

2854
02:38:50,080 --> 02:38:52,400
Speaker 3: It's not just the migrants, of course. One of the

2855
02:38:52,480 --> 02:38:54,560
Speaker 3: families who've been stuck in Bao Jiguito for almost a

2856
02:38:54,640 --> 02:38:56,880
Speaker 3: month was given some money by a local Sender Front

2857
02:38:56,920 --> 02:38:59,959
Speaker 3: member to take a bus. In Mexico, those who don't

2858
02:39:00,040 --> 02:39:02,560
Speaker 3: have enough money to take buses, we'll hop onto freight trains,

2859
02:39:03,160 --> 02:39:05,440
Speaker 3: and as they speed through towns and rail yards at night,

2860
02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:08,720
Speaker 3: local people will throw plastic bags of food, water, and

2861
02:39:08,760 --> 02:39:12,440
Speaker 3: clothing to them. In Panama City, I visited a Jesuit

2862
02:39:12,560 --> 02:39:15,439
Speaker 3: run shelter for migrants called fate Erga.

2863
02:39:15,959 --> 02:39:24,160
Speaker 18: Well number Celias Cordnijo is Coordina or the Promotion Social Accompanimento.

2864
02:39:26,560 --> 02:39:27,000
Speaker 3: Panama.

2865
02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:33,440
Speaker 20: Alberto went down a Darien recently and we know from

2866
02:39:33,480 --> 02:39:37,520
Speaker 20: firsthand experience that the difficulty they have is moving. So

2867
02:39:38,680 --> 02:39:42,440
Speaker 20: some don't go through the stations, but they stay, so

2868
02:39:43,160 --> 02:39:47,640
Speaker 20: they appear here in the city, and so they arrive

2869
02:39:47,800 --> 02:39:51,040
Speaker 20: here and some decide to stay and forego all the

2870
02:39:51,120 --> 02:39:52,520
Speaker 20: difficulty of moving forward.

2871
02:39:53,480 --> 02:39:56,360
Speaker 3: Despite having been set up as a refuge, recent changes

2872
02:39:56,400 --> 02:39:59,280
Speaker 3: to Panamanian law had made that work difficult, and you.

2873
02:39:59,280 --> 02:39:59,959
Speaker 18: Don't pretty heard.

2874
02:40:01,400 --> 02:40:03,960
Speaker 20: We had to stop that service because the state literally

2875
02:40:04,080 --> 02:40:09,360
Speaker 20: prohibited us as agencies from providing shelter and under the

2876
02:40:09,480 --> 02:40:13,400
Speaker 20: premise that if we gave them shelter without them asking

2877
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:17,840
Speaker 20: for it, they could consider us as human traffickers.

2878
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:21,360
Speaker 3: So what we do now is we give them.

2879
02:40:21,280 --> 02:40:25,080
Speaker 20: Food and if they decide to stay, well, we help

2880
02:40:25,160 --> 02:40:29,959
Speaker 20: them with certain processes that we can call humanitarian aid

2881
02:40:30,120 --> 02:40:31,160
Speaker 20: for sustainability.

2882
02:40:32,959 --> 02:40:35,040
Speaker 3: I've seen a wide variety of faith based aid in

2883
02:40:35,080 --> 02:40:37,640
Speaker 3: my time at the border. Much of it has been fantastic,

2884
02:40:38,280 --> 02:40:40,280
Speaker 3: but with more than a decade of refugee camps from

2885
02:40:40,280 --> 02:40:42,640
Speaker 3: resource pot settings, I've also learned to be a bit

2886
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:46,640
Speaker 3: wary of faith based charity. But something Elias said early

2887
02:40:46,760 --> 02:40:48,800
Speaker 3: in our talk gave me a great deal of respect

2888
02:40:48,840 --> 02:40:51,600
Speaker 3: for him. It's not justin he said it, but he

2889
02:40:51,680 --> 02:40:53,600
Speaker 3: took the time to address his comments to me as

2890
02:40:53,640 --> 02:40:55,920
Speaker 3: a journalist because he saw this as a problem in

2891
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:58,640
Speaker 3: part created by the media. For its worth, I think

2892
02:40:58,680 --> 02:41:01,560
Speaker 3: he's right. I think that as we try and help

2893
02:41:01,959 --> 02:41:04,640
Speaker 3: on a difficult journey, we must always keep in mind.

2894
02:41:05,120 --> 02:41:06,880
Speaker 3: He might come from a very different background than my

2895
02:41:06,959 --> 02:41:08,880
Speaker 3: mutual Aid group, but we do seem to share the

2896
02:41:08,959 --> 02:41:11,000
Speaker 3: same belief in solidarity with the migrants.

2897
02:41:11,920 --> 02:41:12,080
Speaker 19: Is a.

2898
02:41:14,440 --> 02:41:18,000
Speaker 20: Unfortunately much of the media narrative. What they do is

2899
02:41:18,400 --> 02:41:22,200
Speaker 20: they victimize and ridicule people in family groups and turn

2900
02:41:22,280 --> 02:41:26,640
Speaker 20: them into pariahs and beggars. Then that is insulting to

2901
02:41:26,760 --> 02:41:30,480
Speaker 20: the dignity of the person. So the way they portray

2902
02:41:30,640 --> 02:41:34,240
Speaker 20: migration is shameful in some cases, and this is very difficult.

2903
02:41:34,959 --> 02:41:38,480
Speaker 20: Well for this, yes, I think that's very important.

2904
02:41:40,280 --> 02:41:42,280
Speaker 3: After this, I figured I address the issue head on.

2905
02:41:42,520 --> 02:41:44,640
Speaker 3: I'm asking about the many churches and Christians I see

2906
02:41:44,720 --> 02:41:46,880
Speaker 3: preaching hate against people coming to the southern border of

2907
02:41:46,920 --> 02:41:47,360
Speaker 3: the US.

2908
02:41:51,520 --> 02:41:53,960
Speaker 20: There is a sector in the Catholic Church and the

2909
02:41:54,040 --> 02:41:58,600
Speaker 20: Evangelical Church that opposes it and is more closely linked.

2910
02:41:59,879 --> 02:42:03,920
Speaker 20: And they are in fact they are they're benefactors of

2911
02:42:03,959 --> 02:42:10,600
Speaker 20: Trump's campaign. So this one and this one are there, well, well,

2912
02:42:10,640 --> 02:42:14,760
Speaker 20: those are like groups that are rejecting, let's say, the

2913
02:42:14,840 --> 02:42:18,040
Speaker 20: basic principle of the Church, which is that we must

2914
02:42:18,480 --> 02:42:24,600
Speaker 20: welcome migrants and refugees. So they fundamentally reject it. So

2915
02:42:24,720 --> 02:42:29,400
Speaker 20: they invent all these narratives that Haitians practice voodoo and

2916
02:42:29,920 --> 02:42:33,440
Speaker 20: they eat pets, and this and that or that and

2917
02:42:33,520 --> 02:42:38,480
Speaker 20: it's shameful mean, or like the Venezuelans, that the majority

2918
02:42:38,520 --> 02:42:42,440
Speaker 20: of them are from Triandegua gang or that they come

2919
02:42:42,480 --> 02:42:46,800
Speaker 20: from areas that are what you call problematic or chauvannista,

2920
02:42:47,120 --> 02:42:50,240
Speaker 20: and that they are infuriating or that or that. All

2921
02:42:50,320 --> 02:42:54,520
Speaker 20: the same narrative that was created when when the Maritos

2922
02:42:54,600 --> 02:42:57,960
Speaker 20: left Cuba. And it's not that the Cuban government is

2923
02:42:58,080 --> 02:43:01,080
Speaker 20: sending all the prisoners on the Madi l boats to

2924
02:43:01,240 --> 02:43:03,640
Speaker 20: invade the United States. It's the same narrative.

2925
02:43:05,080 --> 02:43:07,400
Speaker 3: Then they asked what he thought of the government's plans

2926
02:43:07,440 --> 02:43:09,880
Speaker 3: to close the day enda if they could even do that.

2927
02:43:13,320 --> 02:43:15,280
Speaker 20: People ask me, do you think the Darian gap is

2928
02:43:15,320 --> 02:43:18,400
Speaker 20: going to close and that migration is going to disappear?

2929
02:43:18,680 --> 02:43:21,480
Speaker 20: And I say, ask the Mexicans and the North Americans

2930
02:43:21,520 --> 02:43:24,600
Speaker 20: if the Sonara Desert has stopped being a corridor for

2931
02:43:24,680 --> 02:43:28,240
Speaker 20: people after Trump, Because there was a time when all

2932
02:43:28,320 --> 02:43:31,560
Speaker 20: the media was focused on the migration that passed through

2933
02:43:31,640 --> 02:43:35,880
Speaker 20: the Sonara and everything continues to happen, but then it

2934
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:40,080
Speaker 20: became invisible and ceased to exist for them. But people

2935
02:43:40,200 --> 02:43:44,480
Speaker 20: continue to pass through, and people continue to die. So

2936
02:43:44,840 --> 02:43:48,480
Speaker 20: as you say this, this is going to continue, maybe

2937
02:43:48,600 --> 02:43:51,320
Speaker 20: not a half a million people, but the flow is

2938
02:43:51,360 --> 02:43:52,200
Speaker 20: going to continue.

2939
02:43:52,520 --> 02:43:53,480
Speaker 3: It's going to continue.

2940
02:43:54,080 --> 02:43:57,120
Speaker 20: And then the question we should ask ourselves is what

2941
02:43:57,240 --> 02:43:59,640
Speaker 20: are we going to do or how are we going

2942
02:43:59,720 --> 02:44:03,119
Speaker 20: to accompany this flow? How are we going to accompanies

2943
02:44:03,200 --> 02:44:06,160
Speaker 20: these lives? And in what way can let these people's

2944
02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:08,040
Speaker 20: lives impact us.

2945
02:44:09,360 --> 02:44:11,600
Speaker 3: But like so many of us who work along the board,

2946
02:44:11,720 --> 02:44:14,760
Speaker 3: he says, he's constantly fighting. It's negative messaging that encourages

2947
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:17,280
Speaker 3: people not to follow the natural impulse to help and

2948
02:44:17,360 --> 02:44:18,280
Speaker 3: take care of one another.

2949
02:44:21,800 --> 02:44:24,760
Speaker 20: So it's not a question of how I always say,

2950
02:44:25,720 --> 02:44:28,440
Speaker 20: and sometimes they tell me, oh, that you always speak

2951
02:44:28,520 --> 02:44:32,480
Speaker 20: so badly of Panama. But it's not speaking badly of Panama.

2952
02:44:32,520 --> 02:44:34,920
Speaker 20: I love my country and I feel that we in general,

2953
02:44:35,200 --> 02:44:39,840
Speaker 20: the Panamanian communities are very welcoming and very affectionate with

2954
02:44:39,959 --> 02:44:43,040
Speaker 20: the migrants. The problem is the narrative that is created

2955
02:44:43,440 --> 02:44:47,040
Speaker 20: and then it generates to stimuli that end up with

2956
02:44:47,360 --> 02:44:52,920
Speaker 20: a situation where are not seen so positively. And consequently,

2957
02:44:53,480 --> 02:44:58,320
Speaker 20: last week we had a meeting perhaps on National Reality,

2958
02:44:58,800 --> 02:45:01,960
Speaker 20: and we touched on on the subject of immigrants, and

2959
02:45:02,400 --> 02:45:05,880
Speaker 20: the first reaction was, no, it's not the state that

2960
02:45:06,040 --> 02:45:07,480
Speaker 20: pays the fare of the migrants.

2961
02:45:07,920 --> 02:45:10,560
Speaker 10: It's not that I mean, they pay their own fare.

2962
02:45:12,000 --> 02:45:14,039
Speaker 3: After a week of my interview requests being declined by

2963
02:45:14,160 --> 02:45:17,360
Speaker 3: NGOs and government offices, I found my talk with Father

2964
02:45:17,400 --> 02:45:20,120
Speaker 3: Alifs refreshing. It's nice to know that you're not the

2965
02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:22,520
Speaker 3: only one who sees the system as it is, which

2966
02:45:22,560 --> 02:45:26,360
Speaker 3: is fundamentally flawed and entirely propped up by misinformation, hatred

2967
02:45:26,400 --> 02:45:28,800
Speaker 3: and ignorance. But I don't want to get bogged down

2968
02:45:28,840 --> 02:45:32,240
Speaker 3: on that. Father Alias told me that when he sees migrants,

2969
02:45:32,320 --> 02:45:34,560
Speaker 3: he sees God. In them, and that he experiences his

2970
02:45:34,600 --> 02:45:37,760
Speaker 3: faith by helping others. My early experienced religion came in

2971
02:45:37,879 --> 02:45:39,879
Speaker 3: high school from a priest who was a teacher who'd

2972
02:45:39,879 --> 02:45:42,080
Speaker 3: been part of the anti apartheid movement in South Africa.

2973
02:45:42,879 --> 02:45:45,320
Speaker 3: I'm not a religious person in myself, but I can

2974
02:45:45,400 --> 02:45:47,240
Speaker 3: understand how seeing God and other people is not that

2975
02:45:47,360 --> 02:45:50,120
Speaker 3: far from my own politics. Lifit seeing God and know

2976
02:45:50,120 --> 02:45:52,840
Speaker 3: other people that impels people stand up against apartheid or

2977
02:45:52,879 --> 02:45:55,280
Speaker 3: to dedicate their lives to helping migrants, then I respect that.

2978
02:45:56,120 --> 02:45:58,080
Speaker 3: So after we come back, I want to try and

2979
02:45:58,160 --> 02:46:01,160
Speaker 3: answer the question that pytheay Alias are ask what can

2980
02:46:01,240 --> 02:46:24,400
Speaker 3: you do? Huge humor on us at the prop of

2981
02:46:24,440 --> 02:46:31,200
Speaker 3: the hill we ran into them. Yeah. After getting back

2982
02:46:31,200 --> 02:46:33,600
Speaker 3: from the Dad end and hearing the migrants share their

2983
02:46:33,600 --> 02:46:36,120
Speaker 3: struggles as they waited in Mexico for an outlest designs

2984
02:46:36,120 --> 02:46:38,760
Speaker 3: to lay and discourage them, I really struggled to come

2985
02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:41,720
Speaker 3: to terms with everything I'd seen and was hearing a

2986
02:46:41,800 --> 02:46:45,280
Speaker 3: bit to plenty of dangerous places I've seen war, state violence,

2987
02:46:45,320 --> 02:46:48,720
Speaker 3: and terrorism. I know the tragedy of death and violence,

2988
02:46:49,240 --> 02:46:52,080
Speaker 3: but the slow, deliberate suffering inflicted on migrants for people

2989
02:46:52,080 --> 02:46:54,240
Speaker 3: who lied to us every day on television is particularly

2990
02:46:54,280 --> 02:46:56,680
Speaker 3: hard to bear for me. As I mentioned at the

2991
02:46:56,720 --> 02:46:59,400
Speaker 3: start of this series, I think the grim reality of

2992
02:46:59,440 --> 02:47:02,760
Speaker 3: our migration system. On my first day in Bahajiqito, little

2993
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:05,680
Speaker 3: girl's head hanging limply from a makeshift stretcher a strangers

2994
02:47:05,720 --> 02:47:09,720
Speaker 3: carried her into town. It's also cruel, so deliberate, and

2995
02:47:09,879 --> 02:47:14,280
Speaker 3: so unnecessary, and it felt so disempowering. But that doesn't

2996
02:47:14,320 --> 02:47:16,720
Speaker 3: mean there's nothing you can do. It doesn't mean there's

2997
02:47:16,760 --> 02:47:17,320
Speaker 3: nothing I can do.

2998
02:47:19,320 --> 02:47:23,040
Speaker 22: All right, So basically what we're gonna be doing is

2999
02:47:23,120 --> 02:47:26,119
Speaker 22: we're gonna go this way. I mean, we're gonna start,

3000
02:47:26,120 --> 02:47:28,280
Speaker 22: We're gonna go down into this well. We're gonna go

3001
02:47:28,360 --> 02:47:29,960
Speaker 22: that way and see where the light break is on

3002
02:47:30,000 --> 02:47:32,880
Speaker 22: them of the hill in between those hills running cut up.

3003
02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:34,680
Speaker 22: I'm not up in that area.

3004
02:47:35,480 --> 02:47:38,000
Speaker 3: That's James card Era of Border Kindness, sitting at the

3005
02:47:38,080 --> 02:47:40,040
Speaker 3: roof of a group of five of us set out

3006
02:47:40,160 --> 02:47:42,240
Speaker 3: on a water drop in the mountains east of Okumba.

3007
02:47:42,720 --> 02:47:45,320
Speaker 3: It's an area called Valley of the Moon, where boulders

3008
02:47:45,360 --> 02:47:48,200
Speaker 3: the size of trucks stack up against each other, where

3009
02:47:48,240 --> 02:47:51,480
Speaker 3: people have been crossing the border for decades. This is

3010
02:47:51,520 --> 02:47:54,080
Speaker 3: a remote area and not unlike the Daddy End. Much

3011
02:47:54,120 --> 02:47:56,080
Speaker 3: of it is nearly impossible to access in a car.

3012
02:47:57,080 --> 02:47:59,600
Speaker 3: To get water out here, we have to walk. And

3013
02:47:59,640 --> 02:48:01,920
Speaker 3: if you out of water or injure yourself so you

3014
02:48:01,959 --> 02:48:04,440
Speaker 3: can't walk out of here, it's possible you'll die, just

3015
02:48:04,480 --> 02:48:07,360
Speaker 3: like the migaants do in the jungle. People get robbed here,

3016
02:48:07,640 --> 02:48:09,440
Speaker 3: just like in the dad Enn And if it wasn't

3017
02:48:09,480 --> 02:48:11,400
Speaker 3: for the five of us with our backpacks full of water,

3018
02:48:12,080 --> 02:48:14,360
Speaker 3: people could die of thirst here just like they do

3019
02:48:14,600 --> 02:48:17,560
Speaker 3: in the jungle. I thought I was packing water bottles

3020
02:48:17,560 --> 02:48:19,920
Speaker 3: into my frame pack. I thought about little kids I've

3021
02:48:19,959 --> 02:48:22,959
Speaker 3: met in Baho Chiquito. This isn't the place for children either,

3022
02:48:23,560 --> 02:48:25,520
Speaker 3: but over the last eighteen months, I've met hundreds of

3023
02:48:25,560 --> 02:48:28,160
Speaker 3: them out here. I've given them my jackets and hats,

3024
02:48:28,720 --> 02:48:31,440
Speaker 3: warmed up milk for babies in my camping stove, and

3025
02:48:31,560 --> 02:48:33,680
Speaker 3: even wrapped the little girl up in a milar blanket

3026
02:48:33,800 --> 02:48:36,480
Speaker 3: with me to warm her up last year. Just like

3027
02:48:36,560 --> 02:48:38,880
Speaker 3: the Dadienne. The suffering here is out of sight and

3028
02:48:38,959 --> 02:48:41,400
Speaker 3: out of mind for most Americans, And in a year

3029
02:48:41,440 --> 02:48:44,400
Speaker 3: where we're constantly being told democracies under threat, I think

3030
02:48:44,400 --> 02:48:46,600
Speaker 3: a bear is mentioning that migrants are treated as humans

3031
02:48:46,640 --> 02:48:49,560
Speaker 3: without rights even when they're inside this country, and that

3032
02:48:49,640 --> 02:48:51,920
Speaker 3: their lives are seen as dispensable so long as whoever

3033
02:48:52,040 --> 02:48:55,080
Speaker 3: is in office can look quote tough on migration and

3034
02:48:55,200 --> 02:48:58,520
Speaker 3: make TV pundits and big money don't as happy. There

3035
02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:00,600
Speaker 3: weren't any TV pundits or big money doon is on

3036
02:49:00,640 --> 02:49:03,160
Speaker 3: our water drop, just a few of us everyday people.

3037
02:49:03,560 --> 02:49:06,000
Speaker 3: Some people come out here because their family members across

3038
02:49:06,120 --> 02:49:09,240
Speaker 3: the desert. Some come out because everyone who crosses a

3039
02:49:09,240 --> 02:49:12,320
Speaker 3: desert is part of our family. Like Bonnio said, in

3040
02:49:13,480 --> 02:49:16,200
Speaker 3: all humans are brothers, and none of us want our

3041
02:49:16,200 --> 02:49:19,000
Speaker 3: brothers or sisters to die in their mountains, whatever their

3042
02:49:19,040 --> 02:49:23,840
Speaker 3: passport might say. And so nearly every weekend, people all

3043
02:49:23,920 --> 02:49:27,040
Speaker 3: along the border load up heavy bags for supplies. On

3044
02:49:27,160 --> 02:49:29,600
Speaker 3: this drop. Each of us filled our packs with water,

3045
02:49:30,160 --> 02:49:34,600
Speaker 3: cans of tuna, pineapple soup, some warm clothing, and in

3046
02:49:34,680 --> 02:49:41,280
Speaker 3: this case an audio recorder recording recording in progress. Rhyme,

3047
02:49:42,800 --> 02:49:44,680
Speaker 3: of course, just gave me an opportunity to discuss my

3048
02:49:44,720 --> 02:49:48,320
Speaker 3: life's calling. Ensuring the correct fit of backpack harness systems.

3049
02:49:51,800 --> 02:49:54,080
Speaker 3: It just doesn't wrap the straps. You'd either have to

3050
02:49:54,160 --> 02:49:57,400
Speaker 3: drop the waistbelt or like these have adjustable frames, so

3051
02:49:57,480 --> 02:49:59,360
Speaker 3: you can make them fit with those of the days.

3052
02:50:00,080 --> 02:50:05,840
Speaker 3: For that, that's really pretty with everyone suitably adjusted and

3053
02:50:05,959 --> 02:50:08,640
Speaker 3: ergonomically optimized. We twisted on the audio record as I

3054
02:50:08,680 --> 02:50:10,800
Speaker 3: had attached the straps of our packs and set off.

3055
02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:13,520
Speaker 17: I just feel bad for you, because a lot of

3056
02:50:13,560 --> 02:50:14,199
Speaker 17: dumb ship.

3057
02:50:21,760 --> 02:50:23,360
Speaker 3: From the edge of the dirt road. We took our

3058
02:50:23,400 --> 02:50:24,480
Speaker 3: first steps into the desert.

3059
02:50:25,280 --> 02:50:32,160
Speaker 22: The first part is gonna be a little slippery. You

3060
02:50:32,280 --> 02:50:34,199
Speaker 22: eat Shit's okay, don't be embarrassed. It happens.

3061
02:50:39,120 --> 02:50:40,640
Speaker 3: This part of the border isn't that far from a

3062
02:50:40,720 --> 02:50:43,000
Speaker 3: Cumba where this time last year, James and I spent

3063
02:50:43,080 --> 02:50:45,879
Speaker 3: a freezing night trying to keep people alive, running our

3064
02:50:45,920 --> 02:50:48,800
Speaker 3: camping stoves on full blast, giving away our own jackets

3065
02:50:49,040 --> 02:50:51,760
Speaker 3: who needed them more than us. At that time, I

3066
02:50:51,920 --> 02:50:53,800
Speaker 3: just returned from a trip to North and East Syria,

3067
02:50:54,280 --> 02:50:57,680
Speaker 3: which was stressful in its own way, and seeing both

3068
02:50:57,760 --> 02:50:59,760
Speaker 3: what people are leaving and how we treat them when

3069
02:50:59,800 --> 02:51:03,440
Speaker 3: they're here really pissed me off. A year later, with

3070
02:51:03,520 --> 02:51:06,080
Speaker 3: bags full of water, JMS and I spoke about things

3071
02:51:06,600 --> 02:51:08,680
Speaker 3: and how they got so much worse in the last

3072
02:51:08,720 --> 02:51:12,680
Speaker 3: two years, but press coverage and more Importantly, donations have

3073
02:51:12,760 --> 02:51:15,800
Speaker 3: been way lower. It's same story up and down the border,

3074
02:51:16,240 --> 02:51:21,320
Speaker 3: record deaths, newer and harder migration routes, different migration patterns,

3075
02:51:21,959 --> 02:51:24,320
Speaker 3: and the people who cried outside ice detention centers in

3076
02:51:24,360 --> 02:51:29,400
Speaker 3: Trump's first term cheering for more walls and bigger DHS budgets. Meanwhile,

3077
02:51:30,040 --> 02:51:32,560
Speaker 3: unlike the Trump era, we don't have the support of

3078
02:51:32,680 --> 02:51:36,040
Speaker 3: thousands of liberal people in California's big cities. After the

3079
02:51:36,120 --> 02:51:39,240
Speaker 3: Democrats cynically use migrant suffering in their twenty twenty campaign,

3080
02:51:39,480 --> 02:51:42,800
Speaker 3: they abandoned them upon acquiring power, and their supporters have

3081
02:51:42,879 --> 02:51:45,960
Speaker 3: mostly followed them. So that left five of us this

3082
02:51:46,080 --> 02:51:48,680
Speaker 3: particular morning to load up bags and do the life

3083
02:51:48,720 --> 02:51:51,680
Speaker 3: saving work of dropping water. On top of all the

3084
02:51:51,720 --> 02:51:54,440
Speaker 3: state violence, there's been more and more interference with the

3085
02:51:54,520 --> 02:51:56,600
Speaker 3: water drops, and as we got further into our route,

3086
02:51:56,800 --> 02:51:59,720
Speaker 3: we made the increasingly common discovery that someone had taken

3087
02:51:59,760 --> 02:52:08,400
Speaker 3: it up on themselves to destroy our supplies. S man

3088
02:52:08,440 --> 02:52:14,400
Speaker 3: of ice, sick. That's probably though. These are slash slash.

3089
02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:16,640
Speaker 22: Ye try by the person's trinking a smirnof ice.

3090
02:52:16,800 --> 02:52:21,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's wrong. Yeah, they are fluns matterfuckers.

3091
02:52:22,240 --> 02:52:23,640
Speaker 22: I mean, I'm assuming it's a person who brought the

3092
02:52:23,640 --> 02:52:27,600
Speaker 22: smirnoff Ice because it seems like a smirnoff Ice activity Feller. Yeah,

3093
02:52:28,720 --> 02:52:30,640
Speaker 22: I don't see a VP agent rolling brew with a

3094
02:52:30,680 --> 02:52:31,360
Speaker 22: smirnoff Ies.

3095
02:52:32,879 --> 02:52:35,879
Speaker 3: This isn't unique to border kindness. Someone has been shooting

3096
02:52:35,879 --> 02:52:38,600
Speaker 3: supplies left by Borderlands Relief Collective half an hour west

3097
02:52:38,640 --> 02:52:42,080
Speaker 3: of here recently, up and down the border. The combination

3098
02:52:42,200 --> 02:52:45,200
Speaker 3: of total liberal and attention a xenophobic right wing hate

3099
02:52:45,240 --> 02:52:47,959
Speaker 3: whipped up by streamers who I won't name, and pseudo

3100
02:52:48,040 --> 02:52:51,720
Speaker 3: journalistic grifters who I will name, like Bill Maluganlugan, of course,

3101
02:52:51,840 --> 02:52:54,000
Speaker 3: was previously famous for claiming that the cop had a

3102
02:52:54,080 --> 02:52:57,360
Speaker 3: tampon dropped in his coffee in twenty twenty. Spoiler alert,

3103
02:52:57,400 --> 02:52:59,959
Speaker 3: if you're not familiar, this wasn't true. Belugan now works.

3104
02:53:00,000 --> 02:53:02,680
Speaker 3: It's a quote I'm quote Border reporter for Fox News, Danny,

3105
02:53:02,680 --> 02:53:03,240
Speaker 3: good morning to you.

3106
02:53:03,320 --> 02:53:05,520
Speaker 23: We are in Santa Siegro, a part of San Diego

3107
02:53:05,640 --> 02:53:08,040
Speaker 23: right now, where hundreds of illegal immigrants have just been

3108
02:53:08,160 --> 02:53:11,360
Speaker 23: massed street released from border patrol custody. This bus you

3109
02:53:11,480 --> 02:53:16,320
Speaker 23: see right here is apparently an NGO or Volunteer organization bus.

3110
02:53:16,360 --> 02:53:19,240
Speaker 23: They've all just gotten off a border patrol bus. Two

3111
02:53:19,320 --> 02:53:22,360
Speaker 23: of them. Actually, they're now waiting to board this bus.

3112
02:53:22,440 --> 02:53:25,960
Speaker 23: I've talked to several of them from Peru, from India,

3113
02:53:26,080 --> 02:53:28,400
Speaker 23: from Colombia. The group from Peru told me they are

3114
02:53:28,440 --> 02:53:31,640
Speaker 23: here to work. They are going to Atlanta and Minneapolis

3115
02:53:31,680 --> 02:53:32,840
Speaker 23: to see if we can talk to some of them

3116
02:53:32,879 --> 02:53:38,040
Speaker 23: real quick. Old espanon the so Ecuadora, don't US and

3117
02:53:40,560 --> 02:53:41,720
Speaker 23: New York going to New York.

3118
02:53:41,800 --> 02:53:44,160
Speaker 3: They're do on the so On. They're on the so

3119
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:49,520
Speaker 3: Costa Rica. Don't live US? And lost Atlanta, New Jersey,

3120
02:53:50,000 --> 02:53:52,959
Speaker 3: don the New Jersey, New Jersey, dont theyve US?

3121
02:53:53,040 --> 02:53:54,520
Speaker 15: In Chicago?

3122
02:53:54,800 --> 02:54:02,840
Speaker 23: Chicago, Colombia, Columbia, Kereen, Trabaja, No no asilo yet they

3123
02:54:02,879 --> 02:54:04,520
Speaker 23: say they want asylum. They don't want to work.

3124
02:54:05,080 --> 02:54:11,240
Speaker 3: They've done their own Well, where are you from? Sag Sanag?

3125
02:54:11,400 --> 02:54:13,720
Speaker 23: I think Senegal? From Senegal? We saw a lot of

3126
02:54:13,800 --> 02:54:15,920
Speaker 23: Senegalese in Lukeville, Arizona.

3127
02:54:16,400 --> 02:54:17,560
Speaker 3: Where in the US do you want to go to?

3128
02:54:17,640 --> 02:54:18,040
Speaker 9: What city?

3129
02:54:19,959 --> 02:54:21,080
Speaker 3: Francis France?

3130
02:54:21,520 --> 02:54:21,800
Speaker 23: France?

3131
02:54:23,640 --> 02:54:27,360
Speaker 3: France, France speak France. Oh, he speaks French. I obviously

3132
02:54:27,440 --> 02:54:30,320
Speaker 3: do not speak French. The Loogan's lack of language competency

3133
02:54:30,360 --> 02:54:32,560
Speaker 3: isn't the only issue here. It's a holy ecosystem of

3134
02:54:32,640 --> 02:54:35,520
Speaker 3: media built up of yuristically filming migrants without giving them

3135
02:54:35,520 --> 02:54:38,160
Speaker 3: a chance to humanize themselves. And it's not just a

3136
02:54:38,280 --> 02:54:39,000
Speaker 3: right wing issue.

3137
02:54:39,120 --> 02:54:41,640
Speaker 24: This week, each day has been marked by new daily

3138
02:54:41,720 --> 02:54:44,959
Speaker 24: records of migrants, both crossing the southern border and landing

3139
02:54:45,120 --> 02:54:47,680
Speaker 24: in custody. The federal government is struggling to keep up.

3140
02:54:47,800 --> 02:54:51,120
Speaker 24: Three Homeland security official say Customs and Border Protection is

3141
02:54:51,200 --> 02:54:54,880
Speaker 24: holding about twenty seven thousand migrants and processing facilities as

3142
02:54:54,959 --> 02:54:58,200
Speaker 24: of yesterday. President Biden spoke with Mexico's president about the

3143
02:54:58,280 --> 02:55:02,160
Speaker 24: issue earlier today see News Homeland Security Corresponding Julia Ainsley

3144
02:55:02,200 --> 02:55:05,040
Speaker 24: joins me now to dig into this trend. So, Julia, first,

3145
02:55:05,200 --> 02:55:08,120
Speaker 24: just give us some perspective here. How is Customs and

3146
02:55:08,200 --> 02:55:11,119
Speaker 24: Border Protection operating right now? And what are your sources

3147
02:55:11,160 --> 02:55:13,720
Speaker 24: saying about this historic rise in migrants at the border.

3148
02:55:14,840 --> 02:55:17,520
Speaker 25: Well, in some ways, there's actually a small victory here,

3149
02:55:17,600 --> 02:55:19,400
Speaker 25: is in Clay when you look at the fact that

3150
02:55:19,560 --> 02:55:22,480
Speaker 25: CBP is seeing a record number of migrants, that they've

3151
02:55:22,480 --> 02:55:24,320
Speaker 25: been at a record high now for three days in

3152
02:55:24,400 --> 02:55:27,240
Speaker 25: a row. They broke the record of twelve thousand, maintained

3153
02:55:27,360 --> 02:55:30,600
Speaker 25: that and There are now almost twenty seven thousand migrants

3154
02:55:30,600 --> 02:55:33,640
Speaker 25: in CBP custody. When we got to just about twenty

3155
02:55:33,720 --> 02:55:36,560
Speaker 25: thousand and twenty nineteen under the Trump administration, there were

3156
02:55:36,600 --> 02:55:38,960
Speaker 25: migrants who were there for weeks and couldn't lie down

3157
02:55:39,360 --> 02:55:41,920
Speaker 25: to sleep because they were so overcrowded. Now, because of

3158
02:55:41,959 --> 02:55:44,480
Speaker 25: the technology, they're actually able to not even hold people

3159
02:55:44,520 --> 02:55:47,360
Speaker 25: past seventy two hours and very quickly release them. But

3160
02:55:47,840 --> 02:55:49,640
Speaker 25: the tragedy comes after that. There are a lot of

3161
02:55:49,760 --> 02:55:52,000
Speaker 25: migrants who are being released on the streets without being

3162
02:55:52,080 --> 02:55:54,880
Speaker 25: taken to nonprofits, and some of them don't exactly know

3163
02:55:54,879 --> 02:55:57,600
Speaker 25: where they're supposed to go, even though CBP does try

3164
02:55:57,640 --> 02:56:00,760
Speaker 25: to coordinate with the cities where they are released. That's

3165
02:56:00,800 --> 02:56:04,960
Speaker 25: definitely happening in the Tucson, Arizona area and Eagle Pass, Texas.

3166
02:56:05,080 --> 02:56:07,480
Speaker 25: Even though they are scrambling as fast as they can

3167
02:56:07,640 --> 02:56:11,160
Speaker 25: to release migrants, that are still thousands who remain in

3168
02:56:11,280 --> 02:56:13,440
Speaker 25: the field, a lot of them crowded under a bridge

3169
02:56:13,440 --> 02:56:16,560
Speaker 25: an Eagle Pass, just waiting for CBP to take them in.

3170
02:56:16,800 --> 02:56:19,800
Speaker 25: The reason a lot of people can give you different reasons. One,

3171
02:56:19,920 --> 02:56:22,840
Speaker 25: perhaps Mexico is interdicting as many migrants as they were

3172
02:56:22,920 --> 02:56:25,520
Speaker 25: earlier in the year. They're now lower on funds because

3173
02:56:25,560 --> 02:56:28,480
Speaker 25: of these record highs. Another reason sometimes migrants will say

3174
02:56:28,520 --> 02:56:31,360
Speaker 25: that they're worried about a future Republican administration or a

3175
02:56:31,400 --> 02:56:34,160
Speaker 25: future Trump administration that might be harder ANDed, so they

3176
02:56:34,200 --> 02:56:35,560
Speaker 25: think now is the time to come.

3177
02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:38,720
Speaker 3: Two minutes into this report and we haven't actually heard

3178
02:56:38,800 --> 02:56:42,160
Speaker 3: from a single migrant. All we hear is numbers. We

3179
02:56:42,240 --> 02:56:44,800
Speaker 3: also haven't heard about or detention, which is the time

3180
02:56:44,840 --> 02:56:47,880
Speaker 3: this was released with at its peak. Again, it's just

3181
02:56:48,080 --> 02:56:52,040
Speaker 3: numbers and CBP statements. I should also point out that

3182
02:56:52,200 --> 02:56:54,000
Speaker 3: lots of people are held for more than seventy two

3183
02:56:54,040 --> 02:56:57,440
Speaker 3: hours or three days. The Department of Homeland Security office

3184
02:56:57,440 --> 02:57:00,600
Speaker 3: who inspected general report published in November twenty twenty three,

3185
02:57:00,920 --> 02:57:03,240
Speaker 3: a month before the new segment that you just heard,

3186
02:57:03,720 --> 02:57:05,880
Speaker 3: said that fifty six percent of people were held for

3187
02:57:06,000 --> 02:57:08,040
Speaker 3: longer than that, for some people being held for more

3188
02:57:08,080 --> 02:57:11,360
Speaker 3: than a month. This information is publicly available and even

3189
02:57:11,400 --> 02:57:13,200
Speaker 3: had a press release. I found it very quickly and

3190
02:57:13,240 --> 02:57:15,800
Speaker 3: I reported on at the time. But NBC chowse not

3191
02:57:15,920 --> 02:57:19,960
Speaker 3: to seeing migrants as a quote homeland security issue, not

3192
02:57:20,080 --> 02:57:23,160
Speaker 3: as people. It's fundamentally the problem and the way we

3193
02:57:23,280 --> 02:57:27,760
Speaker 3: fix that is showing up as people to help. Despite

3194
02:57:27,800 --> 02:57:30,080
Speaker 3: the massive media focus on the border in the last year,

3195
02:57:30,520 --> 02:57:32,920
Speaker 3: I very rarely see other journalists actually at the border.

3196
02:57:33,400 --> 02:57:35,640
Speaker 3: To give him credit. Malgan does sometimes show up, but

3197
02:57:35,720 --> 02:57:38,080
Speaker 3: he doesn't stay long, and he doesn't really have the

3198
02:57:38,160 --> 02:57:41,000
Speaker 3: capacity to interview migrants, even if you wanted to. The

3199
02:57:41,080 --> 02:57:44,240
Speaker 3: border is vast and mostly empty. It's a place I've

3200
02:57:44,280 --> 02:57:45,840
Speaker 3: come to know and come to love in my time

3201
02:57:45,959 --> 02:57:50,440
Speaker 3: dropping water and recreating and doing other mutilaid projects out here.

3202
02:57:51,240 --> 02:57:53,240
Speaker 3: Now they have a better understanding of the journeys people

3203
02:57:53,320 --> 02:57:55,600
Speaker 3: go through to get here, even more determined to make

3204
02:57:55,640 --> 02:57:58,600
Speaker 3: this small part of their trip less dangerous. And besides,

3205
02:57:58,840 --> 02:58:00,960
Speaker 3: I get to see cool rocks. Oh say, with mister

3206
02:58:01,000 --> 02:58:02,840
Speaker 3: potato here, it looks like he's dying off.

3207
02:58:03,280 --> 02:58:09,400
Speaker 22: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, God no, I

3208
02:58:09,480 --> 02:58:13,360
Speaker 22: see that. Well, now you say it like that, it

3209
02:58:13,400 --> 02:58:15,560
Speaker 22: looks very Yeah, the eyes are real close to each other. Yeah,

3210
02:58:17,000 --> 02:58:18,560
Speaker 22: it's a very melting potato.

3211
02:58:21,360 --> 02:58:24,480
Speaker 3: Among the cool rocks. Last weekend I found a mini

3212
02:58:24,560 --> 02:58:28,000
Speaker 3: mouse doll. It reminded me of Miami, the little girl

3213
02:58:28,000 --> 02:58:31,520
Speaker 3: I'd met him. Boo. I give my number to hundreds

3214
02:58:31,560 --> 02:58:35,480
Speaker 3: of people before leaving Panama and heard from dozens, but

3215
02:58:36,040 --> 02:58:38,160
Speaker 3: up until that I hadn't heard from Miami and her mum.

3216
02:58:39,040 --> 02:58:43,039
Speaker 3: I heard of people being kidnapped, robbed, raped, and ransomed

3217
02:58:43,760 --> 02:58:46,039
Speaker 3: in Mexico. Some of them have been caught by authorities

3218
02:58:46,080 --> 02:58:48,920
Speaker 3: and pushed back to Chiapas, and others have been unable

3219
02:58:48,959 --> 02:58:52,600
Speaker 3: to leave Tapatula after having all their money stolen. I

3220
02:58:52,760 --> 02:58:55,760
Speaker 3: wanted which, if any of these fates had before been Miami,

3221
02:58:55,920 --> 02:58:57,880
Speaker 3: and if she was still having a pepper pig adventure.

3222
02:58:58,800 --> 02:59:01,560
Speaker 3: Sadly between where I met her or where I found them,

3223
02:59:01,560 --> 02:59:05,280
Speaker 3: Mini mouse Doll, There's nothing else I can do. They're

3224
02:59:05,280 --> 02:59:07,560
Speaker 3: here in the mountains outside San Diego, where the wind

3225
02:59:07,600 --> 02:59:10,200
Speaker 3: blows so strong sometimes you can barely stand up. I

3226
02:59:10,320 --> 02:59:14,920
Speaker 3: can do something without the ability to do something, something

3227
02:59:14,959 --> 02:59:18,200
Speaker 3: which I know is meaningful. I don't know how I'd

3228
02:59:18,240 --> 02:59:20,800
Speaker 3: managed to stay on this beat. It's just too heartbreaking

3229
02:59:20,879 --> 02:59:24,440
Speaker 3: to meet good people, share meals and laughter, in deep

3230
02:59:24,520 --> 02:59:26,960
Speaker 3: conversations with them, and then see them fed into a

3231
02:59:27,040 --> 02:59:29,600
Speaker 3: teeth of a machine that robs, brutalizes, and kills them.

3232
02:59:29,640 --> 02:59:31,520
Speaker 3: So that Joe Biden can stand on a podium and

3233
02:59:31,560 --> 02:59:34,600
Speaker 3: say that border crossing to down this month they are down,

3234
02:59:34,879 --> 02:59:37,760
Speaker 3: and that's allowedly due to enforcement in Mexico. But I

3235
02:59:37,840 --> 02:59:39,640
Speaker 3: want to make sure that everyone who does cross the

3236
02:59:39,720 --> 02:59:42,240
Speaker 3: border can do so safely and they don't have to

3237
02:59:42,320 --> 02:59:44,920
Speaker 3: die on US soil after fighting so hard to make

3238
02:59:44,959 --> 02:59:47,640
Speaker 3: it here. This hasn't been the case for everyone this year.

3239
02:59:48,320 --> 02:59:50,280
Speaker 3: My friends up and down the border have carried far

3240
02:59:50,400 --> 02:59:54,000
Speaker 3: too many little memorial crosses into the mountains. And depending

3241
02:59:54,040 --> 02:59:56,160
Speaker 3: on the election results next week, what we're doing might

3242
02:59:56,200 --> 03:00:00,480
Speaker 3: be illegal soon, but that'll never make it wrong. Since

3243
03:00:00,520 --> 03:00:02,840
Speaker 3: early September, nine people have died in a little part

3244
03:00:02,879 --> 03:00:05,600
Speaker 3: of southern California alone. My friends who searched for them

3245
03:00:05,959 --> 03:00:09,240
Speaker 3: sometimes found their remains and undertaken the thankless task of

3246
03:00:09,320 --> 03:00:12,920
Speaker 3: sharing the bad news with their families, then constructive memorials

3247
03:00:12,959 --> 03:00:15,640
Speaker 3: in their memory. This is just one of the many

3248
03:00:15,720 --> 03:00:18,760
Speaker 3: dangerous parts of the migration route north, but it's the

3249
03:00:18,840 --> 03:00:21,280
Speaker 3: one that I can help with. If you're nearby are

3250
03:00:21,320 --> 03:00:23,560
Speaker 3: visiting for a while, there are several organizations dropping water

3251
03:00:23,640 --> 03:00:27,039
Speaker 3: on the border. Border Angels, Border Kindness and Borderlands Relief

3252
03:00:27,040 --> 03:00:31,440
Speaker 3: Collective here in San Diego, Arho, Samaritans, noms Perthes in Arizona.

3253
03:00:31,959 --> 03:00:35,480
Speaker 3: Groups you search and rescue as well. Obviously, not everyone

3254
03:00:35,560 --> 03:00:37,680
Speaker 3: lives here at the USA is Southern border, but more

3255
03:00:37,720 --> 03:00:39,640
Speaker 3: than half of the population does live within one hundred

3256
03:00:39,680 --> 03:00:41,720
Speaker 3: miles of a border. Even if you don't live in

3257
03:00:41,760 --> 03:00:43,760
Speaker 3: the USA, or maybe you do but you don't live

3258
03:00:43,760 --> 03:00:46,480
Speaker 3: anywhere near the border, I guarantee there are migrants in

3259
03:00:46,520 --> 03:00:49,520
Speaker 3: your community. In the last year, I've worked with migrant

3260
03:00:49,560 --> 03:00:52,760
Speaker 3: welcome committees in Maryland, church groups in the rural south,

3261
03:00:53,160 --> 03:00:55,720
Speaker 3: Sikhs on the West Coast, occurred on the East Coast,

3262
03:00:55,720 --> 03:00:58,160
Speaker 3: to name just a few. Without a type of fanfare,

3263
03:00:58,200 --> 03:01:00,480
Speaker 3: people all over this country are making space their homes

3264
03:01:00,480 --> 03:01:03,840
Speaker 3: and their hearts for strangers, feeding them, housing them, and

3265
03:01:03,920 --> 03:01:06,440
Speaker 3: helping them get set up in a new place. For

3266
03:01:06,520 --> 03:01:10,000
Speaker 3: the most part, it doesn't get coverage you a democratic administration.

3267
03:01:10,120 --> 03:01:13,000
Speaker 3: It doesn't get much public support either, but that doesn't

3268
03:01:13,040 --> 03:01:16,440
Speaker 3: mean it isn't necessary. Aside from all the reasons it's important,

3269
03:01:16,800 --> 03:01:18,680
Speaker 3: dropping water on the border is also fun for me.

3270
03:01:19,360 --> 03:01:21,320
Speaker 3: It's helped me learn more about where I live. I

3271
03:01:21,440 --> 03:01:24,040
Speaker 3: appreciate the desert and make new friends who generally share

3272
03:01:24,080 --> 03:01:26,520
Speaker 3: my outlook on the world. I love being outdoors, and

3273
03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:29,120
Speaker 3: I'd be outdoors anyway, but it's way. My hiker is

3274
03:01:29,120 --> 03:02:00,280
Speaker 3: about much more than myself. Yeah yeah.

3275
03:02:01,480 --> 03:02:01,640
Speaker 20: Yeah.

3276
03:02:01,680 --> 03:02:03,560
Speaker 3: What does that mean when you get somewhere with signal?

3277
03:02:04,760 --> 03:02:06,480
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, please do all of you? Please share it.

3278
03:02:06,840 --> 03:02:09,280
Speaker 3: I'd like to follow your journey if that's okay, and

3279
03:02:09,400 --> 03:02:14,880
Speaker 3: maybe we can talk again when you're in America. I

3280
03:02:14,959 --> 03:02:17,120
Speaker 3: gave my number to hundreds of people in the Daddy Inn,

3281
03:02:17,600 --> 03:02:19,880
Speaker 3: as well as some websites they might find useful. Wan

3282
03:02:19,920 --> 03:02:22,880
Speaker 3: to NGOs explained the CBP one app are the ones

3283
03:02:22,920 --> 03:02:25,680
Speaker 3: that might direct them to resources along their route. Last

3284
03:02:25,720 --> 03:02:28,039
Speaker 3: Sunday night, as I was absent by and least thumbing

3285
03:02:28,040 --> 03:02:30,040
Speaker 3: through a shotgun reloading manual in my living room as

3286
03:02:30,080 --> 03:02:33,280
Speaker 3: I love to do, my phone started buzzing. It's done

3287
03:02:33,320 --> 03:02:36,720
Speaker 3: this so many times in the last months. Mostly it's

3288
03:02:36,760 --> 03:02:39,320
Speaker 3: a photo of someone I met updating me on their journey,

3289
03:02:40,000 --> 03:02:41,720
Speaker 3: or one of the little wooden animals that they give

3290
03:02:41,760 --> 03:02:43,880
Speaker 3: to children, which has made its way to Mexico and

3291
03:02:43,959 --> 03:02:46,760
Speaker 3: hopefully giving them some comfort along the way. Often it's

3292
03:02:46,840 --> 03:02:49,880
Speaker 3: less positive news someone's been robbed or simply run out

3293
03:02:49,879 --> 03:02:52,280
Speaker 3: of money and they need help. But I got two

3294
03:02:52,320 --> 03:02:56,160
Speaker 3: messages this Sunday which lifted my spirits. No Emi, the

3295
03:02:56,160 --> 03:02:58,040
Speaker 3: Little Girl who had an adventure like Pepper Pig in

3296
03:02:58,120 --> 03:03:00,880
Speaker 3: the jungle. Why did you know how it's And she

3297
03:03:01,000 --> 03:03:02,840
Speaker 3: sent me a photo of the tiny stone bear that

3298
03:03:02,879 --> 03:03:04,960
Speaker 3: I'd given her. She also wanted to know if we

3299
03:03:04,959 --> 03:03:06,640
Speaker 3: could still go to see Minnie Moles, who she came

3300
03:03:06,680 --> 03:03:09,360
Speaker 3: to America, which I assured her we could. I think

3301
03:03:09,360 --> 03:03:10,959
Speaker 3: it would be quite apt to visit a place which

3302
03:03:11,000 --> 03:03:13,560
Speaker 3: builds itself as the happiest place on Earth, where someone

3303
03:03:13,640 --> 03:03:15,360
Speaker 3: I met in one of the most desperate parts of

3304
03:03:15,400 --> 03:03:18,640
Speaker 3: the planet. The second message was from one of the

3305
03:03:18,720 --> 03:03:20,959
Speaker 3: migrants i'd met in the jungle, telling me she'd made

3306
03:03:20,959 --> 03:03:23,480
Speaker 3: it to America, not just to America, but to a

3307
03:03:23,560 --> 03:03:25,440
Speaker 3: part of the border where I've been dropping water with

3308
03:03:25,520 --> 03:03:27,600
Speaker 3: my friends. Just a few weeks before I left for Panama,

3309
03:03:28,360 --> 03:03:30,000
Speaker 3: she sent me a photo of a rock with a

3310
03:03:30,040 --> 03:03:33,040
Speaker 3: message on it one way, which I'm very familiar. She

3311
03:03:33,160 --> 03:03:35,720
Speaker 3: told me about her walk, one which I've made myself,

3312
03:03:36,120 --> 03:03:38,120
Speaker 3: and she taught me how hard it was. I said,

3313
03:03:38,160 --> 03:03:40,400
Speaker 3: I knew, but really I don't know, because I wasn't

3314
03:03:40,400 --> 03:03:43,680
Speaker 3: carrying months of trauma with me on the mountain. She's

3315
03:03:43,720 --> 03:03:46,080
Speaker 3: the only person out of one hundred son I met

3316
03:03:46,320 --> 03:03:49,480
Speaker 3: who's made it here. Most of them are in Mexico now,

3317
03:03:49,879 --> 03:03:51,840
Speaker 3: and most of them will remain there or maybe get

3318
03:03:51,920 --> 03:03:54,800
Speaker 3: sent back home, or maybe they'll make a desperate attempt

3319
03:03:54,800 --> 03:03:56,920
Speaker 3: across this week. As you hear this before the election,

3320
03:03:57,920 --> 03:04:00,240
Speaker 3: it made me so happy to see someone safely here,

3321
03:04:00,760 --> 03:04:03,320
Speaker 3: one person out of hundreds. For so many of the

3322
03:04:03,400 --> 03:04:06,520
Speaker 3: migrants I met, America was a dream, and the journey

3323
03:04:06,560 --> 03:04:09,680
Speaker 3: with a nightmare. Since the series began airing, I've seen

3324
03:04:09,760 --> 03:04:12,160
Speaker 3: videos of people I care about clinging to freight trains

3325
03:04:12,800 --> 03:04:15,720
Speaker 3: that bruce bodies after being beaten. I've helped them find

3326
03:04:15,800 --> 03:04:18,080
Speaker 3: healthcare after they were sexually assaulted, and tried to find

3327
03:04:18,160 --> 03:04:21,879
Speaker 3: room at overcrowded shelters. I've helped trans ladies navigate all

3328
03:04:21,920 --> 03:04:25,880
Speaker 3: of this and transphobia and misogyny, and tried to find

3329
03:04:25,920 --> 03:04:29,720
Speaker 3: resources in French and English and Portuguese for non Spanish speakers.

3330
03:04:30,680 --> 03:04:32,680
Speaker 3: I'd hope that I'd finished this series with a single

3331
03:04:32,720 --> 03:04:36,080
Speaker 3: good story, a story of someone who made it, who's

3332
03:04:36,120 --> 03:04:38,680
Speaker 3: living the American dream that people died for in the jungle.

3333
03:04:39,480 --> 03:04:41,960
Speaker 3: But I can't, because even the people who made it

3334
03:04:42,080 --> 03:04:45,640
Speaker 3: here are here temporarily. I'm broadcasting anything about their journey

3335
03:04:45,720 --> 03:04:48,440
Speaker 3: would put them at risk whoever wins the election next week.

3336
03:04:49,640 --> 03:04:51,200
Speaker 3: So instead I want to end with how you can

3337
03:04:51,240 --> 03:04:53,800
Speaker 3: make a difference, and I'll start with a story and

3338
03:04:53,920 --> 03:04:57,840
Speaker 3: how little things can make big differences. One day in Baljuquito,

3339
03:04:58,200 --> 03:05:01,119
Speaker 3: of sitting around with a few Venezuelan kids, probably four

3340
03:05:01,200 --> 03:05:03,720
Speaker 3: to eight years old, ripping pages out of my right

3341
03:05:03,760 --> 03:05:05,840
Speaker 3: in the rain note book to make paper aeroplanes. Before

3342
03:05:05,840 --> 03:05:08,680
Speaker 3: I interviewed their parents, I asked him about the jungle.

3343
03:05:08,959 --> 03:05:11,120
Speaker 3: They said it was scary and they had nightmares. Now,

3344
03:05:12,040 --> 03:05:13,920
Speaker 3: I often find kids in these places get scared of

3345
03:05:13,959 --> 03:05:15,720
Speaker 3: the dark, and I used to bring these crappy little

3346
03:05:15,720 --> 03:05:18,080
Speaker 3: electric lights for them, but they're bulky and they're not

3347
03:05:18,200 --> 03:05:21,240
Speaker 3: very good. Recently, I've been carrying the little packets of

3348
03:05:21,280 --> 03:05:24,400
Speaker 3: fishing glow sticks instead. They gasped about ten bucks for

3349
03:05:24,440 --> 03:05:26,680
Speaker 3: maybe one hundred of the little green lights. So I

3350
03:05:26,760 --> 03:05:29,920
Speaker 3: poured out my glove sticks, cut my hands and snapped one.

3351
03:05:30,680 --> 03:05:33,400
Speaker 3: The children amaze of the little glowing road. So I

3352
03:05:33,440 --> 03:05:35,560
Speaker 3: gave them the rest of the packet. I told them

3353
03:05:35,560 --> 03:05:36,959
Speaker 3: they could keep them for any time they were scared

3354
03:05:37,000 --> 03:05:40,000
Speaker 3: of the dark. Nearly a month later, I sometimes get

3355
03:05:40,000 --> 03:05:41,640
Speaker 3: a message on my phone with a photo of a

3356
03:05:41,680 --> 03:05:44,959
Speaker 3: little tiny glow stick on a note of thanks. One

3357
03:05:45,000 --> 03:05:47,760
Speaker 3: thing that Father Elia said that really impacted me is

3358
03:05:47,800 --> 03:05:49,879
Speaker 3: that when he meets migrants, he asked what he sees

3359
03:05:49,920 --> 03:05:52,040
Speaker 3: of God in them, and his work for them is

3360
03:05:52,120 --> 03:05:55,080
Speaker 3: where he finds what there is of God and himself. Think.

3361
03:05:55,080 --> 03:05:57,560
Speaker 3: I've struggled so much with this serious impart because I've

3362
03:05:57,600 --> 03:06:00,200
Speaker 3: seen so much of the best of other people, indeed

3363
03:06:00,240 --> 03:06:03,520
Speaker 3: the best of myself, into such hard places. I always

3364
03:06:03,520 --> 03:06:05,920
Speaker 3: struggle a little to readjust after trips like this, but

3365
03:06:06,040 --> 03:06:09,240
Speaker 3: this one's been particularly hard. In the jungle, I saw

3366
03:06:09,280 --> 03:06:11,880
Speaker 3: people helping, and in a sense, we were all in

3367
03:06:11,959 --> 03:06:14,960
Speaker 3: it together. When it rained, we all got wet, and

3368
03:06:15,040 --> 03:06:17,120
Speaker 3: when it got hot, we all huddled together in the shade.

3369
03:06:18,080 --> 03:06:20,760
Speaker 3: We shared bottles of water, We sat at the same

3370
03:06:20,840 --> 03:06:24,240
Speaker 3: tables and ate together. I can't really begin to experience

3371
03:06:24,280 --> 03:06:26,760
Speaker 3: a full, varily inexperience because I've been lucky enough never

3372
03:06:26,840 --> 03:06:29,480
Speaker 3: to have anything that bad to run away from. Better,

3373
03:06:29,560 --> 03:06:32,240
Speaker 3: have experienced incredible solidarity and kindness for the people who

3374
03:06:32,280 --> 03:06:35,560
Speaker 3: went through it. I've also experienced the incredible indifference of

3375
03:06:35,600 --> 03:06:38,400
Speaker 3: people at home, and indeed of the states and governments

3376
03:06:38,440 --> 03:06:41,960
Speaker 3: of the world. The Colombian friends I met Las Blancas

3377
03:06:41,959 --> 03:06:45,480
Speaker 3: and Barjigito, who are handcuffed and deported and ripped from

3378
03:06:45,480 --> 03:06:48,360
Speaker 3: their families, have already invited me to come and stay

3379
03:06:48,400 --> 03:06:51,320
Speaker 3: in their homes in Colombia, but if their families make

3380
03:06:51,360 --> 03:06:54,520
Speaker 3: it here, they won't encounter that kind of hospitality. Just

3381
03:06:54,680 --> 03:06:56,960
Speaker 3: last week, I helped to translate for a Venezuelan family

3382
03:06:57,000 --> 03:06:59,400
Speaker 3: living on the street in San Diego. Some of my

3383
03:06:59,480 --> 03:07:02,320
Speaker 3: friends do sponsor migrants, and that's something anyone can do

3384
03:07:02,840 --> 03:07:05,000
Speaker 3: if you're able to. It's an incredible thing you can

3385
03:07:05,040 --> 03:07:06,920
Speaker 3: do to change someone's life, and I can't encourage you

3386
03:07:07,000 --> 03:07:09,680
Speaker 3: enough to do so. I really do see the best

3387
03:07:09,720 --> 03:07:12,000
Speaker 3: of myself, of my friends, and of humanity, and I

3388
03:07:12,120 --> 03:07:14,600
Speaker 3: work to help migrants. I would say that on reflector.

3389
03:07:14,640 --> 03:07:17,560
Speaker 3: And I wasn't really an anarchist until twenty eighteen, when

3390
03:07:17,560 --> 03:07:19,520
Speaker 3: I watched a state to the world abandoned thousands of

3391
03:07:19,600 --> 03:07:22,560
Speaker 3: migros in Tijuana and climbed a fence with my friends

3392
03:07:22,640 --> 03:07:25,240
Speaker 3: to take care of them, and specifically to distribute three

3393
03:07:25,400 --> 03:07:27,800
Speaker 3: huge backpacks full of waffles and another friend had sent

3394
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Speaker 3: from his waffle factory. I'd stopped believing in the benevolence

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03:07:31,680 --> 03:07:34,080
Speaker 3: of the state a long time before, but it wasn't

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Speaker 3: really until then that I really understood the power of

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Speaker 3: people organizing horizontally to provide each other with dignity. Ever

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Speaker 3: since then, I've drawn a lot of hope for humanity

3399
03:07:42,360 --> 03:07:44,640
Speaker 3: in the same place as I despare for people. Maybe

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03:07:44,680 --> 03:07:47,640
Speaker 3: that's why I keep going back. Since then, at the border,

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Speaker 3: I've seen people die. I've held crying babies and crying parents.

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03:07:51,760 --> 03:07:54,000
Speaker 3: They've also shared meals with people from around the world,

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03:07:54,320 --> 03:07:57,320
Speaker 3: made friends for life, and learned curdish disco songs about

3404
03:07:57,360 --> 03:08:00,160
Speaker 3: killing people. I've danced around campfires with Pep. But I

3405
03:08:00,200 --> 03:08:02,920
Speaker 3: couldn't imagined meeting when I first made my own journey here.

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03:08:03,959 --> 03:08:06,080
Speaker 3: Last Christmas, when i'd normally be at the bar with

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03:08:06,160 --> 03:08:09,039
Speaker 3: my friends, I stand the rock in the desert, eating

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Speaker 3: a cold vegan m Marie with an Ecuadorian family and

3409
03:08:11,840 --> 03:08:14,840
Speaker 3: some of my friends. And all the Christmases I can remember,

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03:08:15,240 --> 03:08:16,800
Speaker 3: I never felt so much like I was in the

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03:08:16,879 --> 03:08:20,000
Speaker 3: right place, doing the right thing, with the right people.

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Speaker 18: What.

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Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of terrible things at the border

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Speaker 3: in the jungle, and I'll never forget those. More importantly,

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03:08:26,760 --> 03:08:29,400
Speaker 3: I've seen that together we can do incredible things, and

3416
03:08:29,520 --> 03:08:32,279
Speaker 3: we can make the state irrelevant, especially in the places

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03:08:32,320 --> 03:08:35,240
Speaker 3: it's chosen to be absent. I don't think we should

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03:08:35,280 --> 03:08:37,600
Speaker 3: make demands of a state anymore. It's simply not in

3419
03:08:37,640 --> 03:08:40,040
Speaker 3: its nature to care. But I do think we should

3420
03:08:40,040 --> 03:08:42,840
Speaker 3: make demands of ourselves. I don't believe in God, and

3421
03:08:42,840 --> 03:08:45,240
Speaker 3: I've written a whole dissertation about people who burn churches.

3422
03:08:45,879 --> 03:08:47,960
Speaker 3: But I think I see something that's just as special

3423
03:08:48,000 --> 03:08:50,560
Speaker 3: to me in the experience of mutual aid, and in

3424
03:08:50,680 --> 03:08:53,040
Speaker 3: a way it fulfills not only people's material needs but

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03:08:53,120 --> 03:08:56,280
Speaker 3: also our human desire for dignity and mutual respect. When

3426
03:08:56,320 --> 03:08:58,840
Speaker 3: I drop water at the border or carry someone's bags

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03:08:58,840 --> 03:09:01,640
Speaker 3: in the jungle, I see myself in them, and I

3428
03:09:01,720 --> 03:09:04,520
Speaker 3: hope they see themselves a little bit of me. But

3429
03:09:04,640 --> 03:09:07,360
Speaker 3: right now, asylum system is so broken the very few

3430
03:09:07,360 --> 03:09:09,160
Speaker 3: people even make it far enough to drink the water

3431
03:09:09,240 --> 03:09:11,760
Speaker 3: I leave at the border, And despite the border featuring

3432
03:09:11,800 --> 03:09:14,120
Speaker 3: heavily in this year's election, there seems to be no

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03:09:14,320 --> 03:09:17,119
Speaker 3: national concern about the way our tax dollars brutalize people

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03:09:17,120 --> 03:09:19,680
Speaker 3: across the continent. So I want to end by asking

3435
03:09:19,760 --> 03:09:22,080
Speaker 3: you what you can do. It might be coming to

3436
03:09:22,200 --> 03:09:24,760
Speaker 3: unhere to drop water. It might be sending some money

3437
03:09:24,840 --> 03:09:27,480
Speaker 3: to one of the links I include the description. It

3438
03:09:27,560 --> 03:09:30,240
Speaker 3: might be offering to translate for asylum seekers. It might

3439
03:09:30,280 --> 03:09:32,760
Speaker 3: just be talking to people and helping to change the narrative.

3440
03:09:33,800 --> 03:09:36,400
Speaker 3: You can vote or not next week, but there isn't

3441
03:09:36,400 --> 03:09:37,920
Speaker 3: a box you can take that will change the things

3442
03:09:37,920 --> 03:09:41,160
Speaker 3: I saw in the jungle. Trump wanted to deport millions

3443
03:09:41,240 --> 03:09:43,959
Speaker 3: more people. Harris wanted to pass a bill that will

3444
03:09:44,040 --> 03:09:46,920
Speaker 3: kill more people. You can't pass your commitments off to

3445
03:09:47,000 --> 03:09:49,440
Speaker 3: someone whose box you take every four years. You have

3446
03:09:49,560 --> 03:09:52,000
Speaker 3: to take them on for yourself. The way we change

3447
03:09:52,040 --> 03:09:54,360
Speaker 3: things is in a way we do things every day,

3448
03:09:54,920 --> 03:09:59,160
Speaker 3: every week. No one's every four years. I want to

3449
03:09:59,240 --> 03:10:01,920
Speaker 3: end with noise and have a message to the American people.

3450
03:10:02,760 --> 03:10:04,120
Speaker 3: I also want to ask if anyone of those how

3451
03:10:04,120 --> 03:10:06,200
Speaker 3: to get cheap tickets to Disneyland, because I have just

3452
03:10:06,280 --> 03:10:08,280
Speaker 3: looked that up and I cannot stress enough ho but

3453
03:10:08,360 --> 03:10:09,080
Speaker 3: I am to afford it.

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03:10:15,000 --> 03:10:17,480
Speaker 11: Please excuse us because we know that we are knocking

3455
03:10:17,560 --> 03:10:19,360
Speaker 11: on that door. There are a lot of us, but

3456
03:10:20,280 --> 03:10:23,160
Speaker 11: we are desperate because complaining about the president we have

3457
03:10:23,560 --> 03:10:27,880
Speaker 11: is not helping us. No, he's doing almost nothing. So

3458
03:10:27,959 --> 03:10:31,160
Speaker 11: our children have no future, and our country won't support us.

3459
03:10:32,480 --> 03:10:36,040
Speaker 11: It's not easy to leave our parents, our friends, our relatives,

3460
03:10:36,160 --> 03:10:39,119
Speaker 11: our grandparents, and we do not know if we will

3461
03:10:39,160 --> 03:10:41,360
Speaker 11: ever return or if we will ever see them again.

3462
03:10:42,080 --> 03:10:44,400
Speaker 11: It is not easy. But we also think about a

3463
03:10:44,440 --> 03:10:46,520
Speaker 11: future for our children. And I do not know what

3464
03:10:46,640 --> 03:10:50,000
Speaker 11: has happened, but we feel like living in a dictatorship.

3465
03:10:50,280 --> 03:10:53,200
Speaker 11: We are living something very unpleasant and we do not

3466
03:10:53,280 --> 03:10:56,800
Speaker 11: get any help. But those who help us, we want

3467
03:10:56,840 --> 03:10:59,680
Speaker 11: to say thank you. They opened that door for us.

3468
03:11:00,080 --> 03:11:03,480
Speaker 11: They've opened many doors for many Venezuelans, and well we

3469
03:11:03,640 --> 03:11:05,960
Speaker 11: hope in faith that they will open them for us.

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Speaker 3: I want to take this opportunity to thank a few

3471
03:11:15,720 --> 03:11:18,879
Speaker 3: people who made this possible. Firstly, Daddy and a Brusse

3472
03:11:19,160 --> 03:11:22,440
Speaker 3: I fix her. She was incredible. Secondly, I want to

3473
03:11:22,480 --> 03:11:26,200
Speaker 3: thank iHeart for paying for this. Like I said, it's

3474
03:11:26,320 --> 03:11:28,960
Speaker 3: been nearly a decade that I've been asking to do

3475
03:11:29,040 --> 03:11:31,680
Speaker 3: this story and I'm just really happy that they trusted

3476
03:11:31,720 --> 03:11:34,640
Speaker 3: me to do it. Thirdly, I want to thank everyone

3477
03:11:34,840 --> 03:11:38,320
Speaker 3: who trusted me with their stories, everybody who stayed in

3478
03:11:38,440 --> 03:11:41,800
Speaker 3: touch as they've come north. I want to thank Border

3479
03:11:41,879 --> 03:11:44,480
Speaker 3: Kindness and Borderland Relief Collective who have both welcomed me

3480
03:11:44,560 --> 03:11:46,520
Speaker 3: on their drops, and it's not always easy to be

3481
03:11:46,560 --> 03:11:49,320
Speaker 3: around a journalist. It's not easy to let someone record

3482
03:11:49,440 --> 03:11:51,960
Speaker 3: everything you're doing out there and their inherent risks to that,

3483
03:11:52,120 --> 03:11:55,120
Speaker 3: and I really appreciate them trusting me. I want to

3484
03:11:55,160 --> 03:11:57,240
Speaker 3: thank dutch Ware Hammocks, who rush shipped to me a

3485
03:11:57,320 --> 03:12:00,400
Speaker 3: hammock when my old one tore right before I left.

3486
03:12:01,240 --> 03:12:03,600
Speaker 3: And I think most of all, I want to thank

3487
03:12:03,600 --> 03:12:06,520
Speaker 3: all of you for listening, taking the time, and all

3488
03:12:06,560 --> 03:12:08,800
Speaker 3: the listeners who have reached out to say they're listening

3489
03:12:08,840 --> 03:12:10,480
Speaker 3: to the series, people who have reached out to ask

3490
03:12:10,560 --> 03:12:13,040
Speaker 3: how they can help. I would love to organize a

3491
03:12:13,080 --> 03:12:15,000
Speaker 3: way to help the people I've spoken to. I spoke

3492
03:12:15,040 --> 03:12:17,480
Speaker 3: to someone just this morning who's still stuck in Tapachula

3493
03:12:17,560 --> 03:12:20,200
Speaker 3: because she was robbed and her and her daughter are

3494
03:12:20,200 --> 03:12:23,280
Speaker 3: five hundred bucks short for the bus to ride north

3495
03:12:23,320 --> 03:12:26,800
Speaker 3: to Tijuana. I don't have the capacity to organize that

3496
03:12:27,080 --> 03:12:29,680
Speaker 3: right now, but if someone else does, they should reach

3497
03:12:29,720 --> 03:12:32,240
Speaker 3: out to me, because I would really like to help

3498
03:12:32,280 --> 03:12:35,400
Speaker 3: these people who have become my friends and who I

3499
03:12:35,480 --> 03:12:38,200
Speaker 3: care about, and who are right now stuck in a

3500
03:12:38,320 --> 03:12:42,120
Speaker 3: very dangerous place because someone in Washington, d C. Has

3501
03:12:42,160 --> 03:12:45,039
Speaker 3: made a choice to treat them with cruelty and not kindness.

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Speaker 3: So if that's you, if you're the person who could

3503
03:12:47,480 --> 03:12:50,000
Speaker 3: to minister that, please let me know. Thanks, and I

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Speaker 3: hope you enjoyed the series.

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Speaker 2: Hey, We'll be back Monday with more episodes every week

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Speaker 2: from now until the heat death of the Universe.

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