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Speaker 1: you want to keep it or do you not want

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Speaker 1: to keep it? And when you're a bad team, you

429
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: got to quote unquote overpay sometimes. But when you have

430
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: the capitol to buy guys, they're gonna be very interested

431
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: because of the money they're gonna get to keep in

432
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: their bank account. And we'll get the Linderbaum thing here

433
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: in a second, because I think that's directly tied to Max.

434
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: But they signed kway Walker. They signed to Kobe Dean,

435
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: who was just like an A plus character guy and

436
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, is a good starter. Jalen Naylor. Every

437
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: time I looked up for Minnesota, especially when Jordan Addison

438
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: was injured or in trouble. Like you talk about a

439
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: guy he ran a four or five at the combine,

440
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: but I feel like the guy plays like four to three.

441
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 1: He's averaged like fifteen plus yards of catch, He's had

442
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of touchdowns even though he hasn't been that

443
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 1: productive in terms of reception. Standpoint, I like Jalen Jalen Naylor,

444
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: Quitty Pay, Eric Stokes, Malcolm Kuz. They bought a bunch

445
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: of guys on defense, right, and you lose Max. Their

446
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: defense wasn't very good to begin with. You just buy

447
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys on defense and listen just to

448
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 1: get your franchise going in the right right direction. Like

449
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: do I think the Raiders is gonna win nine or

450
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,239
Speaker 1: ten games this year? I don't. But do I think

451
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: that they can just be a credible football team when

452
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: you turn on the television in October and November. I do?

453
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: And I also think this allows them to use that

454
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: fourteenth pick on offense. You can either take a sweet

455
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver, you can take a sweet offensive lineman. You

456
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: don't have to like really think about a need. And

457
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: to me, I would use that pick somewhere on offense,

458
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: not on a defense, because I just think you get

459
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: the opportunity the Oregon tight end. I don't not sure

460
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: if there's a receiver worth the fourteenth overall pick definitely

461
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to be an offensive lineman worth the

462
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: fourteenth overall pick. Then you get Mendoza, you get your center, which,

463
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: let's face it, they gave Tyler Lindebaum a lot of money.

464
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 1: He makes dramatically more than the next highest paid center.

465
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: Don't mind overpaying a center which is going to touch

466
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: my rookie quarterback every single play of his career Like

467
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: that kind of mattered, maybe the total length of his career,

468
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: but for the next several years, Lindenbaum is gonna be

469
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: right there with Fernando Mendoza in the meetings, on the

470
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: practice field every single day. They should be attached at

471
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: the hip. And obviously he's played a huge had a

472
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: huge impact on the Ravens with Lamar and the offense.

473
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Speaker 1: And I also think that if you're a Raider fan,

474
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: you look at it simply like us trading Max to

475
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: the Ravens and the cap space which he takes. Lamar

476
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: has the biggest cap hit as of right now. They

477
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: could restructure his contract in the NFL in the NFL,

478
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: for example, Jordan Love and Jalen Hurts are thirty one

479
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: and thirty six million dollars, which is the biggest on

480
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: both their teams. Hurts is ten percent of his cap.

481
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: Love is twelve percent of his cap. Lamar Jackson is

482
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: more than double Jordan Love. So you're talking about a

483
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: guy in the high twenties his percentage of their salary cap.

484
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: So part of Max Crosby to take up that space

485
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: is Linderbaum is not even an option for them, because

486
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: I'll get into it later this week when I'm sure

487
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: we'll do a mail bag maybe in a couple days

488
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: when things die down, is someone asked me, why didn't

489
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: they transition tag the Center and just use that money

490
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: to try to work out a deal, Because they don't

491
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: have the cap space, they don't have the financial flexibility.

492
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: And once you get Max, who ain't making five dollars

493
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: a year, you got to make some tough decisions. And

494
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: the Raiders were able to pounce on that because I

495
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: think there were countless other teams interested, specifically the Washington

496
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Commanders when it came to Linderbaum's services, but the Raiders,

497
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: and this is where like twenty years ago, they don't

498
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: get them because they wouldn't have had the money to

499
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: give just a historic deal. But now with these billionaires

500
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: like cut the check, it means little to nothing to them,

501
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: and I think it's a massive, massive move for them.

502
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: I really do. It gives them credibility for their young

503
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: quarterback because when you remove a guy like Max, which

504
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: the Ravens are really gonna benefit from, being the heart

505
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: and soul of your franchise, the work ethic, the team captain,

506
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to replace that. And this is not you know,

507
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: no one in the NFL tanks and doesn't add veteran guys.

508
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: That's not the way it works. You need people that

509
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: know what they're doing to look up to, right or

510
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: for your young guys to look up to. You don't

511
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: remember Sam Hanky. When they did trust the process, they

512
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: would have no veteran guys. So as they started drafting

513
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: good players, they're good players, and they kept tanking like

514
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons and Embiid are just looking up to scrubs.

515
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: It's like, that's not a good way to set the

516
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: culture in your organization. You need guys who have won

517
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: to be around. It's why I think listen the Chiefs

518
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: were not comfortable with the contract that Trent McDuffie got,

519
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: and they knew when they traded them what the numbers

520
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: were not gonna give that money. And they have to

521
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: make financial decisions they have. You know, Chris Jones makes

522
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Patrick Mahomes still makes a lot

523
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: of money. Obviously, there's a couple offensive linemen make a

524
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: lot of money. They just gave Kenneth Locker a lot

525
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: of money, but they just couldn't do it. I think

526
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: if you're a good team and you pay a guy

527
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: like that, you better be very sure of the person.

528
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: The Chiefs love the guy, which clearly the Rams do too,

529
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: it's much easier to bring him into that locker room

530
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: like we've been winning. He's like, oh yeah, I've been

531
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Speaker 1: winning too. I got multiple Super Bowls and I've been

532
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: to another. So like, oh yeah, and one of the

533
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: Super Bowls we won Deebo Samuel and all those wide

534
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: receivers for the forty nine ers. I shut him down.

535
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: I locked him all down. I was fucking incredible. So

536
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: you bringing a guy to your locker room who's gonna

537
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: be making more than the majority basically everyone on your team,

538
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: you better have some pelts on the wall. If you're

539
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: a good team, if you're these teams like the Raiders,

540
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: who's gonna be jealous of Tyler Lindenbaum's contract, Like no

541
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 1: one has a leg to stand on right and no

542
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: different Like, Okay, I bring Max and he's making a

543
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: lot of money. Everyone in the Ravens organization will immediately

544
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: respect Max. I got a text from a scout in

545
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: there on their team that was like, just super fired up.

546
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: Don't blame him. I would be too. But when you

547
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: are a good team and you bring one of these

548
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: guys on, like the Chiefs, you bring in a guy

549
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: like Kenneth Walker, easy for him to get in the

550
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: huddle with Kelsey and Mahomes going, I'm a champion too,

551
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: We're ald champions. You're a champion. I'm a champion. I'm

552
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: a winner. I know how to win. That really really matters.

553
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: So and that's what makes it difficult. I think, why

554
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: so many teams. You look at all these Packers guys

555
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: getting signed, all these Eagles guys getting signed, because you

556
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: feel like they know how to play in big games.

557
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: They know what January football is like, they know what

558
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: preparing to win a division is like they know what

559
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: preparing for a playoff game is, Like they just that

560
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: type credibility as a player when you're paying for it

561
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: really really matters. So I think all these variables in

562
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: free agency get factored in and like back to the

563
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: Rams thing, I think it's easier to be like, listen,

564
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be way richer than the majority of

565
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: there are players on defense. But it's like, what's Jared

566
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: Vere's gonna say? Like, Hey, Jared, a couple time All

567
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: Pro and I've won rinks. You want to win a ring.

568
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: I can help you win a ring because I know

569
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: what it takes. I've been in a defensive meeting room

570
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: that for three straight years we were playing in the

571
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: super Bowl. So I think you got to be careful

572
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: about making those decisions, which has happened the history of

573
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: the league. You know, bad teams they signed like Albert

574
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: Haynesworth to a historic deal. It's like that ain't gonna work,

575
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, and it never does. So I think speaking

576
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: of legendary players, I haven't talked to anyone on the

577
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: Chiefs about this, and I have. Kelsey's one of the

578
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: best players I've ever seen. He's everything you want in

579
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: the prime of his career as a guy to go

580
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 1: to battle with. He came up with huge places. He

581
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: was so talented, His rapport with the quarterback was elite.

582
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: His ability to work with the coaching staff and Andy

583
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: like it was one of the most special things we've

584
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: ever seen. But last year, like a lot of players

585
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: in the history of the league, kind of looked like

586
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: he was trending in the wrong direction, looked like his

587
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: arrow was pointing down. And I think sometimes, you know,

588
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh made this famous and then Belichick copied him.

589
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: A lot of other guys do the same. Andy's made

590
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: a career of doing this. Is sometimes you just let

591
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: a guy go a year early before you get burned

592
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: a year late. And you could argue it was a

593
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: couple of years ago the Chiefs could have kind of pivoted.

594
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: Now it's hard when you're winning Super Bowls. But last

595
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: year he saw science, and I thought that the Chiefs

596
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: would go in another direction. The thing I underestimated is

597
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: clearly they have a connection. They have a belief in

598
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: this guy. They want this guy around, and there's a

599
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: value in which he brings in the locker room that

600
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I can't quantify. Because I'll be honest, if you would

601
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: ask me what would you do, I would have said

602
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: it just would have been one of those sits where

603
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm not offering another contract. Now, it's easy for me

604
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: to say sitting in my office talking on a podcast,

605
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: Coach Reid might say, well, it's like, it's not like

606
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: our receivers are, you know, beating down the door. He

607
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: still is a valuable player. Yeah, he had some bad

608
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: drops last year, but we don't think that's necessarily because

609
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: he can't catch anymore. And we're giving him a twelve

610
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: million dollar contract. We're not giving him two years thirty

611
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: million dollars. But yeah, I mean, we're hoping we can

612
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: get a little bit more out of him and his

613
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: practice habits and what he brings the table Monday through

614
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: Saturday when none of you guys are watching still matters,

615
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: because that's the only way I think you could justify

616
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: bringing him back. And listen, there is an intangible connection

617
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: just of he's one of the best players in the

618
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: history of the franchise. His number is going to be retired,

619
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: He's going to get a statue outside of our organization.

620
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: He really really matters for the city, for this team,

621
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: I just think to be careful doing business like that.

622
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: But maybe he, like Mahomes, is just a pretty unique

623
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: player that it's hard to just quantify by a number

624
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: on the salary cap sheet, right because Mike Evans, I

625
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: look today, Baker Mayfield has one of the biggest cap

626
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: hits in the league. Okay, if we go to because

627
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: Mike Evans joined the forty nine ers, and if you

628
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: go to the internet and you look at the cap

629
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: hits for quarterbacks. I didn't quite realize this. I looked

630
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: at it before today. Of obviously, Lamar, which we talked about,

631
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest. Jared Goffs is massive, Josh

632
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Allen are the top three. TUA, which is an epic disaster,

633
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: is fourth. Do you know who's fifth in terms of

634
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: biggest cap hit in the league is Baker Mayfield at

635
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: fifty two point basically fifty three million dollars, which is

636
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: a huge number and almost seventeen and a half percent

637
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers salary cap. Now, they made

638
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: a couple of little moves to day. They signed Angeloni.

639
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: I think Kenneth Gainwell, he was a really good player.

640
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I like both those two signings, but they

641
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Speaker 1: were I don't want to say on the margins, but

642
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 1: they weren't that expensive. But like Kelsey, I would say

643
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: that Mike Evans holds a unique place in the history

644
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: of Tampa Bay. Right when you think of the most

645
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: famous Tampa Bay Buccaneers, you clearly think of the late nineties,

646
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: early two thousands, Lynch, Rendez, Barber, Warren Sapp, Derek Brooks,

647
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: that group. Then I think, you know Tom was a

648
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: higher gun. But to me, the most famous player post

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00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: that group is easily Mike Evans, who was gonna go

650
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame, who was Jason Light's first

651
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: draft pick, who I think I saw Tod A. Schreger

652
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: say that their families are friends, they have a special connection.

653
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: But you get to a point. The forty nine ers

654
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: offered the guy like three years, sixty plus million dollars

655
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: and I'm sure a lot of guaranteed money. It's like,

656
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: we can't go to that number, and he's gonna be

657
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: thirty three thish. You're in the fall. And this is

658
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: where I kind of thought that the Chiefs would do

659
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: with Kelsey. Now it's different because Kelsey won more Super Bowls.

660
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: They've bend to more Super Bowls. I just think Travis

661
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: is a more historic figure for the league. Slash the

662
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: popularity element of you know, the Taylor connection. It's just

663
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: it's a unique thing going. But Mike, when it came

664
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: to Tampa, I thought was kind of similar. But you

665
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: get to the point where you kind of got to

666
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: make a tough decision and we would love to keep you,

667
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: but we got a number and we just can't match

668
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: the number that you're being given. And one thing that

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00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers really really value is smart tough players.

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00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean, when you think about the best players on

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00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers are smart and tough. Fred Warner,

672
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: George Kittle, Nick Bosa, Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey. Like they

673
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: Mike Evans fits the mold of their crew. The only

674
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: thing that makes me nervous because I can't quibble with

675
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: he got banged up this year when he ocus collar bone,

676
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: but the previous two years with Baker Mayfield, Mike Evans

677
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: accounted for twenty four touchdowns. Mike Evans is a fucking

678
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: monster when he's on the field. Now we'll have to

679
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: see who the other wide receivers are for the forty

680
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: nine ers. But if Pierce All can stay healthy, big

681
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: question mark with Kittle coming back from this injury, you know,

682
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: we think they're gonna figure something out with Trent. You

683
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: got Purdy, you know, you got Christian McCaffrey. Probably gotta

684
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: add another running back, maybe dra Greenlaw who just got

685
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: cut comes back. This is gonna be a team that

686
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: is going to have a bunch of high end guys

687
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: like they did last year, but gonna be older, right, Kittle, McCaffrey,

688
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: Fred Like, these guys got a lot of tread on

689
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: the tires. Mike Evans got a lot of tread on

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00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: the tires. But I get it, like I got no

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00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: problem overpaying Mike Evans a little bit, you know, relative

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00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: to what they like, what they need. Gives them a

693
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: red zone target. I mean, that's been one problem for them.

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00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: It's why Juwan Jennings has excelled. You know, a couple

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00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: of years ago there are two wide receivers were Debo

696
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: and not big guys. Right, So Juwan Jennings and George

697
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: give them their listen brock Purty six foot one. Sometimes

698
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: you just kind of I can't really see I need

699
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: to throw up a fifty to fifty ball in the

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00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: red zone. And that's what Mike Evans excels at. Throw

701
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: him a jump ball corner of the end zone and

702
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: let the dude play hoops. What a career, What a career.

703
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the history of Mike Evans right now.

704
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: Career earnings, what would you guess? My guess would have

705
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: been probably one hundred and ten million dollars, one hundred

706
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: and thirty million dollars, and that doesn't count the forty

707
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: nine ers contract. So when it's all said and done,

708
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: Mike Evans is probably gonna make one hundred and seventy

709
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: five million dollars. I said it the other day with

710
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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. There has never been a better time and

711
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: it's only gonna get better. To be a good football

712
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: player and now college Like you, you're a good football playing

713
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: in college, you get seven figures and then you come

714
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Speaker 1: to the NFL. If you can have a long career,

715
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: you were gonna at minimum make a one hundred plus

716
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: million dollars. And if you play wide receiver, if you

717
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: play defensive end, if you play tackle, if you obviously quarterback,

718
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: if you play corner, you're gonna make several hundred million

719
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: dollars For a long time, it was like, you know,

720
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: kids play baseball, Like that's easy to say when you're

721
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: on a you know, I saw a headline, Will Kyler

722
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: Murray go back to baseball? You guys understand that baseball,

723
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't just go to the big leagues. You

724
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: think Kyler Murray being paid thirty six million dollars by

725
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: the Cardinals is gonna ride a fucking bus in New

726
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: Mexico and random cities in Arizona and Texas in the South.

727
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: Are you out of your gord? Are you out of

728
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: your mind? Like? No chance? And I just think that

729
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: great time business is booming the Steelers. One main question

730
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: I have for the Steelers is who's gonna play quarterback?

731
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: Is who's gonna play quarterback? Right there? I think Mike McCarthy.

732
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: The branding on Mike McCarthy is there has never been

733
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: a more accomplished and consistently good at his job individual

734
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: whose brand acts like he's a scrub, who acts like

735
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: he's not any good because his resume is Mike Tomlin

736
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Speaker 1: and John Harbaugh. Yet John harbaughd just got a hundred

737
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: million dollars. Mike Tomlin will take a sabbatical doing who

738
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Speaker 1: knows what this year traveling, probably do some TV and

739
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: will get one hundred million dollars next year. Yet Mike

740
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: Tomlin gets hired by the Pittsburgh Steelers and people fall

741
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: out of their chair laughing at the Steelers. It's like, listen,

742
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: guys might not be the sexiest higher And I do

743
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: think it has to do like his weight, right Harbaugh.

744
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: You look at John harbaughd down. I saw him at

745
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: the combine. He looks fantastic. I mean he looks like

746
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: he's got like seven eight percent body fat. There's a

747
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: coolness factor with with Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin ain't exactly

748
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: you know on gop ones Like he's not the skin

749
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: his cat at this point. Maybe he will be when

750
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: he goes away. I think the thing with McCarthy is

751
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: he goes away like he takes a year off and

752
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: he gets bigger, and then everyone just makes fun of

753
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: him like that's just that jolly fat, shitty coach. It's like, no, guys, actually,

754
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, the Cowboys three or eight

755
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: years twelve wins won the division twice. If you want

756
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: to quibble with his playoffs success, okay has he underachieved

757
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: with the Packers and the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs.

758
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: No disputing that he's lost as a favorite multiple times.

759
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 1: With the Cowboys. The year two when they were playing

760
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: the Niners on the road, he should have won. Listen,

761
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's defensive performance that game was atrocious. Dak shit

762
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: to bed the other two games. Some of the Green

763
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: Bay games we could be critical of for sure, especially

764
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: the Seattle championship game. But like Mike McCarthy is, let's

765
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: not act like he's Pat Shermer Joe Judge here, and

766
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: they made an emphasis today to get offense. Rico Daudell

767
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: is a good player. Like I didn't understand why they

768
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: didn't give it the ball to Eco Dawdle. More so

769
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: that the running back position. I liked the Iowa running

770
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: back last year. They draft him the third round. It

771
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: was a disaster. He had the one play whereas the

772
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: kickoff returner bounced off him and then he like basically

773
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: never played the rest of the year. That that pick

774
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: looks like it might just you never want to just

775
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: overreact to a rookie season. But I don't think a

776
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: rookie season could have gone worse. But here's the other

777
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: thing ID say about Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy was there

778
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: Devonte Adams rookie year. You might want to google that

779
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: one and or google Davonte talking about it. Did not

780
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: go well, and within a couple of years Davante was

781
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: one of the best wide receivers in the league. So

782
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: part of his ability is to coach guys up, is

783
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: to help change guys career guys who were playing crappy,

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00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: make them good players. He is a really, really good

785
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: offensive coach. See, you had Michael Pittman, who it's kind

786
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: of I don't want to say falling off a cliff,

787
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: but a couple of years ago, Michael Pittman was one

788
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: of my favorite players in the league. I mean, it

789
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago. He got one hundred and nine

790
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: balls in the seat and then last year banged up,

791
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: you had Tyler Warren. Their offense changes. Pierce really excels

792
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: and he kind of gets lost in the shuffle. Has

793
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: some Dj Moore vibes. So you could argue with Michael

794
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: Pittman and Dj Moore, we're kind of buying low. Everyone's

795
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: out on them, but it's kind of because their market

796
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: value is we could revitalize it pretty quickly. They're actually

797
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: a stock that's undervalued. And if Michael Pittman's healthy, like

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00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: he's a player that's going to translate to Cold Weather

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00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: to that division. He's a tough, high character, just physical

800
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: guy to go over the middle. That kind of compliments DK,

801
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: who is like a Ferrari right. And you get Dabdell

802
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: in there, and you get McCarthy. But the question mark

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00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: is simply even if Rogers comes back, I mean last year,

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00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, forty two years old, he's got a torn achilles,

805
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: he's got a broken hand. It's like, can his body

806
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: last in this NFL? Now, I don't know what their

807
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: other options are. They don't really have.

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00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: They drafted I always get Will Howard and Riley Leonard

810
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: mixed up. They got one of those two guys. I

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00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: think they have. Riley Leonard's on the Colts, Will Howard's

812
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: on the on the Steelers. So listen, I don't think

813
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: you bank on one of those guys. Could they draft

814
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: like a nuss Meyer type in the second or third round.

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00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: I definitely think they could, but maybe they are still

816
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: And again I'm recording this around dinner time on Monday,

817
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: because I held out for as long as I could

818
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: for the podcast tomorrow. Could they be in the Kyler sweepstakes?

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Speaker 1: Have a hard time seeing mcarthy. I mean when we

820
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: think about the guys, McCarthy's coach recently, and like, honestly,

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Speaker 1: post Rogers was obviously Dak Prescott. He won some games

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Speaker 1: with Cooper Rush right, So to me, guys like would cousins.

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00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: To me, cousins can't move in the cold weather. Don't

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00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: love that. They don't really have any options. It's no

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00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: one's fault. But I do wonder if they just draft

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00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: a guy. But we saw Rooney talk like this is

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00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: a team that never plans on just like we'll be

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00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: cool with winning six games one year and having like

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00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: the seventh overall pick. That's not how this franchise thinks.

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00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: It's not how they're wired. It starts at the top

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00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: that they That's why they hired Mike McCarthy and not

832
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: some random younger coordinator, up and coming guy, because they

833
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: want to win nine or ten games this year. And

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Speaker 1: if you told me they just had a capable quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, they could win nine or ten

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00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: games this year. One rumor again, internet rumor. Uh K,

837
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm not schefter here, but love a good internet rumor

838
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: is they were sniffing around on Tyson bageit the Bears

839
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: backup quarterback from like Division seven, which I do think

840
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: the Bear assigned case Keenam today is a backup quarterback.

841
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: And it's not like they got him for eight hundred grand.

842
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they gave him a couple of year contract,

843
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: like five or six million dollars. So maybe they are, hey, listen,

844
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: they really want a second round pick for Tyson. Maybe

845
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: they end up giving to like, hey, give us like

846
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: a third five. I definitely think that the Steelers are

847
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: gonna have to do something because what they have. Even

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00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: the Rogers thing, there's no guarantee that Rogers can stay

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00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: healthy at this age. There's no guarantee that he's gonna

850
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: give them a yes or no anytime soon. He's kind

851
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: of beaten to his own drum. Him and his wife,

852
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: who is the most mysterious wife in the history of wife.

853
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I could, if you're listening to this right now,

854
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: I can find you on Instagram and know more about

855
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: your family in two seconds than I can about Rogers' wife.

856
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: But he is wearing that ring, So I'm glad he's

857
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: happy and happy wife, happy life. So yeah, Tyson badget

858
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: to the Steelers. That'd be kind of fun. The Bears

859
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: signed Kobe Bryant, who I saw a bunch of the

860
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: former Seattle guys tweeting like you got a stud. I

861
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: didn't quite realize just how productive this guy's been the

862
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Multiple time starter now for Mike

863
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: McDonald since he got there. Seven picks, I think, seven

864
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: force fumbles, a bunch of PBUs just a smart, really

865
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: really good player. And you know, the Bears signed Devin Bush,

866
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: they signed a defensive lineman that they signed some defensive

867
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: guys because I think you can plug hole holes with

868
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: veteran defensive players and at least just get bodies of

869
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: people that know what they're doing. But one thing that

870
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: I googled him, like where did Bryant go to college?

871
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: He went to Cincinnati and he played on a team

872
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: with Alec Pierce, with Sauce Gardner. So between the three

873
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: of them, Pierce got well over one hundred million dollars today.

874
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: Sauce got a massive contract a couple of years ago.

875
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: Bryan got like forty forty five million dollars today. I

876
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: mean that's two hundred and fifty million dollars worth of

877
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: player on a non Power five program. That there's a

878
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: reason that team was now they they played Bam in

879
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: a bowl game and got their ass kick, but was

880
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: like competing to run the table. The reason Luke Fickle

881
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: got the Wisconsin it was getting off for jobs left

882
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: and right because they had elite NFL talent on their roster.

883
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean that I didn't quite realize. I'll be honest,

884
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know that much about Alec Pierce till the

885
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: last couple of years till he and definitely this year,

886
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: I did not know that Kobe Bryant played for Cincinnati.

887
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: Maybe it was just wasn't as dialed into their roster

888
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: to me. Sauce was clearly their most famous player in

889
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter. But that is that's a good job whoever,

890
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, building a non Power four team. But that

891
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: type of stuff that we talk about all the time

892
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: is the ability to build the team that's gonna have

893
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of NFL talent on is basically impossible now

894
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: at programs like that. Now Cincinnati technically is a Big

895
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: twelve program now, but Cincinnati is not keeping guy. If Alabama,

896
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Texas, Oregon want Alec Pierce, want Sauce Gardner, listen,

897
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: I ash Gent is the last of a dying breed.

898
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: Right he was offered seven figures. Most people thought it

899
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: was like ten to be the running back a couple

900
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: of years ago, and he denied him and he was

901
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: like loyalty. These guys stood by me, and I think

902
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: the most boys he could pay him was like three

903
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: hundred grand nil. Those days are just sadly and as

904
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: someone that loves college football and someone that loves like

905
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: I got my start at Fresno State, but these program

906
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 1: when I was at Fresno State, we would have had

907
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: multiple guys making seven figures. I mean, Derek Carr would

908
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: have got a substantial amount of money. Ryan Matthews would

909
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: have got a huge contract from one of the big programs.

910
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: We had a ton of wide receivers and corners and

911
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: offensive linemen, all these guys. I mean, we would have

912
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: lost ten guys a year. So I props Cincinnati, no wonder,

913
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: they were really good. And props of the Bears, who

914
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: I think when you look at it, that division, which

915
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: I thought last year coming in was stacked, it's got

916
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: question marks. I mean, the Green Bay Packers have lost

917
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: a lot of core guys. Now you can say they

918
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: were trending in the right in the wrong way, you

919
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: could say that they're no longer good players relative to

920
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: what they were. Totally understandable, but you still got to

921
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,479
Speaker 1: replace those guys. Like someone has to replace Kwaywalk, someone

922
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: has to replace for Sean Geary, right, someone has to

923
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: replace that guy. And I think anytime you're in a

924
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: position with a lot of new guys, even at a

925
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: franchise that is great at drafting and developing and figuring

926
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: things out, it is a challenge. Minnesota, like, I just

927
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: their quarterback situation I can't take seriously. And the Lions,

928
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: like they're just just some question marks, right. I mean

929
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: they're very top heavy. They got some new offensive coordinator.

930
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: Can that revitalize them a little bit. But I think

931
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: the Bears are in a really, really good position. I

932
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: mentioned this to Coward. If Caleb Williams can just improve

933
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: five to seven percent, just some of those basic routes

934
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: that he was overthrowing, he hits, you know, that out

935
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: route on second and seven, just would put them in

936
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: first and ten instead of being in third and seven

937
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: he hits that you know, that wheel route in which

938
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: he airmails or skips, he hits MNNDAI in stride. If

939
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: he can do some of that, he doesn't need to

940
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: be Drew Brees or Steve Young from an accuracy standpoint,

941
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: but if he can just be more consistently accurate on

942
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: the basic shit, I to me that I like them

943
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: to win the division because the Packers have a lot

944
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: of question marks. I mean, the best player on their

945
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: team is coming off an ACL injury. Right to me,

946
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, I'm sorry your quarterback positions JJ McCarthy

947
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray or whoever like, I'm out. And the Lions,

948
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: who I'm not selling all my stock. I'm still a stockholder.

949
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: There are just some question marks to be answered if

950
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna get back to win twelve plus games a year.

951
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm still a believer in Dan Campbell and I really

952
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: like their high end talent, but their offensive line definitely

953
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: needs to improve. And yeah, and defensively, can they keep

954
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: core guys healthy because every single years they drop like flies.

955
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: I would say the same thing for the NFC East.

956
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: You know, this Eagles team is just going to be

957
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: a lot different than it has been in years past.

958
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: They lost some core guys today, they got some major

959
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: question marks internally with some key guys. What happens with

960
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: aj Brown? And you look at the Cowboys, like defensively,

961
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: you add Gary to go with Quinn Williams, you got

962
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: multiple first round picks. If you can keep proving the defense,

963
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: you know, the offense is good, like they could just

964
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: be a credible team next year. And the New York

965
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: Giants clearly are going to be dramatically better than what

966
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: they've been. Now are they going to be as good

967
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: as everyone thinks? I don't know about that because their

968
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: quarterback's gonna have to prove that he can play the

969
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: whole season. And Matt Naggie's call him plays, you know,

970
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: solely He's called some plays with Andy, but the offense

971
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: is now his baby for the first time since Chicago Bears.

972
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: So can Naggie throw as an offensive coordinator? I'm believing him.

973
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: Love the guy and could Jackson darts day on the field,

974
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: But they are going to be Their defense gonna be

975
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: dramatically better. They paid a punter to day, Well, why

976
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: do you think they did that? They're gonna try to

977
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: play some Baltimore Ravens smash mouthfucking football. But if your

978
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: quarterback can't stay on the field and they're gonna have

979
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: to balance, Like you know, they were running like quarterback

980
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: power constantly last year with him, which he's actually pretty

981
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: good at because he's an underrated athlete. But you know,

982
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: you get Scataboo back, maybe you draft another run I

983
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: guess they got multiple running backs. You get Malik Neighbors back,

984
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: you ad Isaiah likely Their offense is pretty interesting. The

985
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: Commander A is still a lot of question marks. I mean,

986
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: they paid tons all the day their quarterback, who was

987
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: one of the great rookie seasons we've ever seen. Health

988
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: That to me is the number one thing. Their team

989
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,479
Speaker 1: was really old last year. I just got some question

990
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: marks there. They obviously got new coordinators on both sides

991
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: of the ball, but that division, to me, is just

992
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: more interesting than coming in the year. Was like Eagles

993
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: are gonna win it. Like there wasn't a bigger lock.

994
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: To me, I'd say them and the Bills. I thought

995
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: the Bills were locked, which obviously they weren't, but I

996
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: thought the Eagles were probably the biggest lock in the

997
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: entire league. Because you just looked around, You're like the

998
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: Commander's roster. I know they had a great season, just

999
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: isn't good enough. The Cowboys, once they traded Micah Parsons,

1000
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: their defense was gonna be a shell of itself, and

1001
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: because they were gonna have no pass rush and their

1002
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: dbs were already kind of bad. And the Giants just

1003
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: you just weren't buying the stock coming into the season.

1004
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: Then obviously it just got derailed. But that is not

1005
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: the case now that that is not the case at all.

1006
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: And the same thing with the Bears, like that division

1007
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: was like, hey, it's gonna be the Packers, it's gonna

1008
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: be the Lions Minnesota if JJ's pretty good, is now

1009
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: wide open, And honestly, I lean just the Bears. Like

1010
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: right now, I picked the Bears to win that division.

1011
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: When it comes to the NFC East, I think I

1012
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys and Giants gotta be looking at themselves

1013
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: going we got a shot, we got a shot to

1014
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: have a hat and tea shirt at the end of

1015
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: the year, and the Commanders just go, hey, I just

1016
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: if our quarterback can play seventeen games, he can be

1017
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: one of the better players in the league. Even if

1018
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: we have some flaws on the roster, if our quarterbacks

1019
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: that good, we're gonna be a very very competitive team.

1020
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: Maybe not carried by football gods and angels as it

1021
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago hitting Hail Mary's when

1022
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: Stevenson's looking in the crowd. Maybe those days are over.

1023
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: But like we can get back to nine or ten

1024
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: wins and I think the Eagles and that's part of Listen,

1025
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: the wind blows the hardest at the top of the mountain,

1026
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: and the hardest part about sports, the hardest part about business,

1027
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: the hardest part about anything. Once you're successful, is other

1028
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: people in your industry are all coming for you. Like,

1029
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: do you know how hard the Chiefs the like five

1030
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: year run they had of every regular season game was

1031
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: the biggest game their opponent played all season. Think about that.

1032
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking to the playoffs in the Super Bowl.

1033
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: I'm just talking by like twenty twenty to twenty twenty three,

1034
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: every fucking regular season game against the Cardinals, against the Jags,

1035
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: against the Ravens, against you name it, every single team

1036
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: in the league, whoever their opponent was, that was the

1037
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: biggest game on their schedule. Listen, it was easier to

1038
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: load your roster. But say what you want about Saban

1039
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: for a decade plus he was by far the biggest

1040
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: game every team played on his schedule, right by far.

1041
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: And that's attacks that I don't think we discuss enough.

1042
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: That's really hard. It's what looking back at like the

1043
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: Brady Belichick era from like twenty ten to twenty eighteen,

1044
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: once it was well established, like these guys were like

1045
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: goat level individuals. They were getting everyone's i mean best

1046
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: right shot they could every single week. And that's what's

1047
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: hard about football, right, That's what's gonna be challenging for

1048
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson the Bears, Like we don't get to kind

1049
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: of sleep, like no one's like not paying attention to

1050
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: us anymore. No one's like are these guys good? No,

1051
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,479
Speaker 1: it's like everyone's taking us seriously every single week. Every

1052
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: single week. They're gonna approach us no different than they

1053
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: would the Bills are the Ravens, Like there's a real

1054
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: game with a playoff team, like, better buckle up because

1055
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: if you don't, we will lose. And that's what separates teams,

1056
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: that's what separate coaches over the course of years. Right,

1057
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: It's honestly probably an underrated part of the Tomlin Staft

1058
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: that he never lost because it's like the guy just

1059
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: refused to ever have a season where they just went

1060
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: like six and eleven, just just refused. And I think

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Speaker 1: that is not just respectable, that's fucking badass. And in

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Speaker 1: a sports world where these other sports teams tank, even

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Speaker 1: in the NFL where you have these inept franchises like

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Speaker 1: the Jets and the Cardinals, you know, winning every single year,

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Speaker 1: even if it's not the super Bowl, even if it's

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Speaker 1: out fourteen games. You just being above five hundred and

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Speaker 1: being a competitive team year in year out, even if

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Speaker 1: that means being the last team in the playoffs, Like

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Speaker 1: that's that's a very respectable thing in the competitive industry.

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Speaker 1: So I love football, fun day, jam pack day, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of action. Hopefully we get more action in

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Speaker 1: the next couple of days. I'm sure we will officially

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Speaker 1: get some trades, which AJ Brown is probably the name

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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, like what is going to

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Speaker 1: happen there, and then we'll see what else shakes out.

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Speaker 1: So buckle up and uh I'll have you covered. Audios,

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Speaker 1: the volume