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Speaker 1: No singular day in the NBA calendar year can define

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Speaker 1: And for every steal that led to a defining era

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Speaker 1: at fifty seven, there are picks that can set a

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Speaker 1: franchise back years. Today, we're going to investigate some of

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Speaker 1: ask some questions like who is to blame, what went wrong?

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Speaker 1: And are there any alternative universes where the pick could

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Speaker 1: have panned out. For this exercise, we're going to start

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Speaker 1: with the curse of the Portland Trailblazer big Man, and

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna examine the horrendous tenure of Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 1: the drafter and front office executive. Let's get into it today.

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Speaker 1: We are gonna talk about busts. I want to start

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Speaker 1: in Portland, Oregon and talk about Portland Trailblazers big Men,

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Speaker 1: and what I like to say maybe is a curse

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Speaker 1: of the Portland Trailer Blazers Big Men. Two of the

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Speaker 1: most high profile busts quote unquote in NBA history were

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Speaker 1: Blazers big Men. Sam Booie and Greg Godin. But before

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Speaker 1: top two of the draft, who had high expectations who

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Speaker 1: didn't necessarily live up to it, we have to start

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Speaker 1: with Bill Walton. Bill Walton the reason we bring him

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Speaker 1: up first before we talk about Sam Booe and Greg Odin,

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Speaker 1: who were very talented players. Once they got to the Blazers'

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Speaker 1: injuries killed their careers. So Bill Walton arguably the best

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Speaker 1: Trailblazer in history. He wins a title, he wins MVP,

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Speaker 1: but like other big men, he has some foot problems.

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Speaker 1: And the story goes that the Blazers medical staff used

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Speaker 1: painkillers pretty freely back in the seventies. I wasn't around them,

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Speaker 2: Up out horribly in your feet like you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, Like to your point, not to cut you

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Speaker 2: off the Dylan like if you watch, well, you know

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Speaker 2: there's information there, like on that thirty for thirty like

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Speaker 2: the hell the Bill went through just to get them

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Speaker 2: the in the regular season, understanding what his responsibility was

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Speaker 2: as a top pick, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 2: that's another way they lean on you and pray on you.

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Speaker 2: You know, the professional sports is professional sports. It's just

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Speaker 2: like wrestling and boxing and all this other shit. There's

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Speaker 2: a short window where you want to maximize your earnings

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Speaker 2: and you know what I mean, your dreams on what

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Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, he's got to accept

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Speaker 2: some culpability. I think what he did, what he which

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Speaker 2: he did, which he does till this day for what

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Speaker 2: people put into his body. But he allowed what he said,

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Speaker 2: yes too, to get back on the court. But then

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Speaker 2: people didn't put Bill, even big Bill, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, one of their crown jewels of the NCAA,

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Speaker 1: Long story short, Bill Walton really good player for the Blazers.

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Speaker 1: He ends up suing the team. It's malpractice. He said

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Speaker 1: thirty years apart, the Blazers draft to highly tauted big men,

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Speaker 1: So they take Sam Bouie number two overall. Sandwich between

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Speaker 1: five years with Portland, Sam Bowie plays just one hundred

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Speaker 1: number one, Sam Bowie. Uh you know anything about Sam Bouie.

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Speaker 2: I know enough to know that you know everything that

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Speaker 2: you just stay that Bobby Knight, you know, basically said

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Speaker 2: red flags or alarms they need to go off that

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Speaker 2: they are now because I feel like sometimes when you

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Speaker 2: And I think that's you know, perhaps that's what we're

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's something in the water.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you side on like to pick the

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Speaker 2: It gotta be I mean, I'm relying on my evaluators.

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Speaker 2: My evaluators are telling me like, I know what we need,

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Speaker 2: just taking the best player available. And I believe the

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Speaker 2: most boardrooms that are successful that our get praised, take

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy to say you pick the best,

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Speaker 1: you draft the best player available, but I mean in

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Speaker 1: What does that say to Clyde?

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Speaker 2: But you already know the information on Sam? You just

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Speaker 2: He's availability is the best ability for the number one

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Speaker 1: So thirty three years later, the Blazers win the draft

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Speaker 1: Greg Odin and Kevin Durant, and people look back now

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Speaker 1: But Odin was the consensus number one player. There really

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Speaker 1: wasn't that big of an argument. What do you know

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Speaker 1: about Greg Odin? Did you ever play against him?

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Speaker 2: I didn't, but I followed him when he was when

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Speaker 2: thought Greg Golden was you know, seem to be NBA ready.

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Speaker 1: Seven feet tall to eighty seven to two, wingspan thirty three.

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Speaker 2: He was slapping it up against the glass, you know

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Speaker 1: whole thing together with duct take and some cables and

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00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: ankle weights from the corner pharmacy. I tried the device

431
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: on and it worked exactly what I imagined. That's when

432
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: I told myself, I can create a product that helps me.

433
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: I know I'll help everyone else. We got to get

434
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Speaker 1: John Bender on the show.

435
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: You know.

436
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: You know who I also saw I sent you the article.

437
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: But Michael Kidd, Gilchrist another guy that will actually talk

438
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: about in a few minutes that MJ picked up. He

439
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: has a stutter and he created. He created stuttering therapy

440
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: is not covered by medical insurance, and he thought it

441
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: should be, and he basically has been lobbying Congress to

442
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: make it so kids that grow up with stutters can

443
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: go and get their speech therapy and not have to

444
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: go out discovered by insurance. He's artificial intelligence, so it

445
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: doesn't cost anything. He worked with IBM. So man shots

446
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: you guys. So yeah, So Kwame Brown goes number one

447
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: in the two thousand and one draft. He goes ahead

448
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: of Tyson Chandler and Pagasol, Eddie Curry, Jason Richardson, Shane Battier,

449
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: Kwame Brown. What was the profile on Kwame Brown? What

450
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: was his supposed archetype.

451
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: I mean we've heard, you know, with the idea of

452
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: what Kwame Brown was supposed to be one of the

453
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: better players in high school sixteen, two forty five. We

454
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 2: heard about the measure of bulls. We've seen the photos

455
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: from a kid who was supposed to be seventeen eighteen.

456
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact age he was when he eighteen, right,

457
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: he was about eighteen or something when he came out,

458
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 2: but he looked like a grown man. Everybody was anticipating him,

459
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, maintaining that. You know, the NBA body, remember

460
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: the the he's got an NBA ready body, Remember that

461
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: whole thing. The Dwight Howard whenever they find one, it's

462
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: a monkey see monkey do league excuse the term, but

463
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: you know that's where you hear that urn he's got

464
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: an NBA ready body. Wuti wouti buo. You know what

465
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: I mean? YadA, YadA, YadA. But then the kds of

466
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: the world end up being Hall of Famers. Anyway, There's

467
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: a lot that goes into this, but the word out

468
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Speaker 2: on Kwame Brown was sixteen two forty five runs before it. Well,

469
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: you know, probably good good touch around the basket, you

470
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean, YadA, YadA, YadA. His comp would

471
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: be what I don't know, fucking Alonzo morning. At minimum,

472
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: you're thinking, you know what I mean? Yeah, and at

473
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Speaker 2: the most and a big ceiling, you got a twenty

474
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: and ten guy, a lifetime twenty and ten guy. Who's that?

475
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: Who's that? David Robinson or something close to that. You know,

476
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: those are the type of things like his comp would

477
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: have been. But like, from what I remember is like

478
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: that that's what was the that he checked out as

479
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: supposed to be. You know, if that's what you needed,

480
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: he was your number one pick.

481
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: So Kwame gets drafted in two thousand and one, and

482
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: he nor the basketball world knows that he's going to

483
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: be playing with Michael Jordan the next year, because Jordan

484
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: transitions from the front office to the court. And I

485
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: would and I would argue that I don't know what

486
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: thirty eight thirty eight year old Michael Jordan uh might

487
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: be one of the worst players that an unready high

488
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: school kid with high expectations could enter the league. Four

489
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: Jordan didn't seem like Mike, you know grace. Mike's not

490
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: showing you know, grace. And there some stories so allegedly

491
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: h what Kwame says is that mj actually never wanted

492
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: me on the Wizards from day one. He drafted me

493
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: to trade me for Elton Brand, but the owner of

494
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: the Wizards, a Poland, blocked the trade. They used to

495
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: bring old veterans into practice just to have them foul

496
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: me and beat the crap out of me. Every day,

497
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: I had Charles Oakley threatening me to beat me up.

498
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: I was an eighteen year old kid. So Mike is

499
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: basically pulling all of his boys out to try and

500
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, rough up Kwame. Uh, Kwame was calling fouls

501
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: in practice. MJ called him a flaming F word. You

502
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: don't get to call a foul call on a goddamn

503
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: little touch fowl, you fucking f word. You don't bring

504
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: that fucking shit in here. Get your goddamn ass back

505
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: on the floor and play. I don't want to hear

506
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: that fucking shit out of you again. Get your little

507
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: ass back and play, you F word.

508
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: And and so and for so and source from the go,

509
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: so on and so forth, so on and so from

510
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: the boy. That's a mouthful, you know what I mean.

511
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: And that's a lot of the stomach from you know,

512
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: the culture logo. There's the logo on the sock and

513
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: then there's the lugo within the culture and for for

514
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: for basketball players. So you know, Mike didty dirty.

515
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: Mike did him dirty.

516
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

517
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: The team outside of that wasn't very good. Mike, Mike,

518
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: Mike was putting up numbers. But this is just the

519
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: first chapter in his kind of horrific stretch as a

520
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: as a GM. So after the two thousand and three season,

521
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: when MJ hangs his shoes up and wants to go

522
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: back to the front office. He kind of expects that, uh,

523
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: he can just kind of, you know, go back and

524
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: that you know, he's Michael Jordan and it's the Washington Wizards,

525
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: and they'll let him do that. But when he meets

526
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: with the owner a polling after the season, uh, A

527
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: bank going, A bank going. This is an excerpt from

528
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: Abe's Widow. After many carefully thought out meetings with senior

529
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: staff and lawyers, Abe agreed to meet with Michael in

530
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: his office. Knowing that this would be a difficult meeting,

531
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: his advisor suggested that he tell Michael that he had

532
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: decided to go in a different direction. They felt up

533
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: to you, they felt after reviewing his performance, they had

534
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: no choice. It was not personal. They all liked and

535
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: admired Michael, but it was purely business.

536
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: This was when you get cut. He hadn't never experienced

537
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: getting cut. That's the that's the line from when you

538
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: get cut. This is Mike getting cut. It was not personal.

539
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: They all liked and admired Michael. What followed was a

540
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: heated discussion of what had and had not been promised.

541
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: But after Abe repeated his decision to go in a

542
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: different direction, Michael lost it. He became very angry and

543
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: began shouting. At that point, Abe walked out of the

544
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: room and Michael called him several unflattering names. Michael stormed

545
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: out of the room, went down to the park, and

546
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: Karage jumped in his Mercedes convertible with an Illinois license plate,

547
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: took the top down and drove directly back to Chicago

548
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: from Washington, DC.

549
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: So, yeah, Michael Jordan got cut. That's cold by honest

550
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: Abe Poland. So three years later, MJ's back in the

551
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: basketball world, this time with a new expansion franchise in

552
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: his home state, the Charlotte Bobcats. Did Bob Johnson, the

553
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: BT founder who bought the team, did he name the

554
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: team after himself?

555
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: Well, that's the prevailing thought. You know, it's acts or

556
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: it's just too good to not pass up to use something, right,

557
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I remember during that time,

558
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: you know, even like that was the immediate joke, Like

559
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: when you heard the team's name, you found out he

560
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: was the owner, you know what I mean, It's like, okay, then,

561
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: you know, I guess there was there was loosely some

562
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: relevance to Bobcats and Charlotte for a minute I guess

563
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: they tried to, you know, find out if that was

564
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: a real thing, you know, like the Pelican in New

565
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: Orleans or Boot to Boot. You know, they they reach

566
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: and try to find some connectivity for the nickname after

567
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: the fact. But if he did, okay, whatever, if he

568
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: own it, y'all gonna be the jiulanis out. Just as

569
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: long as I'm cutting the check, you know what I mean,

570
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: y'all gonna be the real McCoy's. You know what I mean,

571
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: that check hitting on the first of fifteen? What you care?

572
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? The border governors at the

573
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: NBA sign off were selling that dryfish Jersey, you know

574
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: what I mean? What carry on the back your ship? Stead?

575
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: What you care? What the name is called. I'll go

576
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: to another team. What the hell is a Laker? M

577
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Or say you know whatever

578
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: for that matter. So you know, you can't have everything.

579
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: And if the owner say he want to loosely reference

580
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: the shit to bobcasts and that's after him, you know,

581
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: so be it. As long as the first team fifteen

582
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: to is straight, I'm good with it.

583
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: Bob March of twenty ten, Jordan becomes the majority owner

584
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: of the Bobcats for two hundred and seventy five million dollars,

585
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: become the first former NBA to become a majority owner.

586
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: And in their second season, they have the worst season

587
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: in NBA history. It's a lock that year they go

588
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: seven and fifty nine.

589
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: You got to destroy before you rebuild.

590
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: That is the worst. They traded Steven Jackson and Gerald

591
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: Wallace away and although mjv eminently denies that he would

592
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: ever tank, they probably tanked. And for good reason. It

593
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: was the Anthony Davis Draft. They were calling this dude

594
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: from Kentucky with the unibrow, the best prospects since Lebron

595
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: James Uh. But they do not get the first overall pick.

596
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: That goes to uh the New Orleans Hornets, who formerly

597
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: the Charlotte Hornets, and they get a D and MJ

598
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: and the Bobcats pick Michael K. Gilchrist right before Bradley Beal.

599
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: So another sandwich situation got eighty first MKG. Second, you missed,

600
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: you missed.

601
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: Dude, You know what I mean, Bill and singing you

602
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: know what I mean? But but but you miss.

603
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: Uh? And after that, I mean, that's kind of a

604
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: sliding doors moment for the franchise. And MJ from there

605
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: on out with the Bobcats Slash Hornets, won three playoff games,

606
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: all coming in one year, made the playoffs twice. Uh,

607
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: and he recently sold his stake in the team and

608
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: he's out. What do you think Mike's just hanging up

609
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: for good? There's there's rumors that he might be maybe

610
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: looking to step away from Jordan Brand. Is Mike just

611
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: going to be living life? Will he ever step into

612
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: the public limelight or is Mike just chilling?

613
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: Mike gone? Mike's gone, Okay, And that's what I'm gonna

614
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: be on here. We keep doing we once we build

615
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: this forgotten seasons and all this, I want to be

616
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: gone to you know what I mean? He don't want

617
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: to run Jordan Brand. He can run. He's got younger minds,

618
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: you know, Mike out here start running around in jabos

619
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: and shoes with the worst model Jordan possible. So do

620
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: you think he really wants to, you know, run Jordan

621
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: Brown so to speak? You know what I mean, like

622
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: to do what he likes to do. You've already sacrificed

623
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: so much of his life, his time, his legacy, his

624
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: image and likeness. You know, Mike gone. You know you're

625
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 2: trying to get up out of here on y'all man,

626
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: And I ain't mad at him. I'm gonna get my

627
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: ship together. I'm and be staying next door to Mike.

628
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: Maybe not next door, but Mike is Mike neighborhood adjacent.

629
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta just I think the whole thing

630
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: is funny. I think MJ becoming like a you know

631
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: what he did to Charles Barkley, what he continues to

632
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: do to Isaiah Thomas, like, those are a few things.

633
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: You only do when you gone Dylan, when you play. Yeah.

634
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck.

635
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're on TV every day. I'm

636
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: gonna be gone, man, I'm gonna give it that.

637
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: You know who MJ should have uh uh teamed up

638
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: with m Jerry Krause. That's who we needed. If he

639
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: had Jerry Krause and MJ could just be the figurehead

640
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: and not make the actual decisions, maybe it would have

641
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: gone a different way for him.

642
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: That's that you're saying that Mike and Krause should have

643
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 2: been what Magic and buswear type of relationship to Where

644
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: are you talking about off the court? Business wise? Are

645
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: you talking about he needed something he could have used

646
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: Jerry Krouse in his front office situations.

647
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: I bet you that Jerry Krouse wouldn't have told Michael

648
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: Jordan to draft Adam Morrison. He wouldn't have told Michael

649
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: Jordan to draft Michael Kidd, Gilchrist. Jerry Kross was a

650
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: hell of a talent evaluator.

651
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 2: You know, he came from the Petole world.

652
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: Turns out he found uh who, he found Oakley, he

653
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: found uh Pippin.

654
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: On baseball shading ship.

655
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't even talk about Adam Morrison, but uh.

656
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: Let's talk about him. We're gonna slide at him in here.

657
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: Adam can get it. You know, Adam was the darling

658
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: dear for a minute.

659
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 1: Adam Morrison, I think he can't escape this bust ship.

660
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: We just ain't gonna leave it up to the brothers.

661
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: It's been you know what I mean, We just gonna

662
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: down the brothers. We got to talk about it's been

663
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: some of the Caucasian brothers that was. You know, it

664
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: didn't pan out as it was supposed to, So we

665
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: at least gonna throw one in here. And sorry, Adam,

666
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: it just so happens to be you, Sir.

667
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: Adam Morrison, Third pick in the uh in the two

668
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: thousand and six draft. This is MJ's first draft with

669
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: the Bobcats. You know, you look at we talked about

670
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: this earlier. Look at the people that were drafted after him.

671
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: I mean, Tyrs Thomas, Sheldon Williams, Brandon Roy is there

672
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: at six? Rudy Gay.

673
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: Okay, Rudy Okay, here we go, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

674
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: get the Sheldon, Tom who I get the Sheldon. Who's

675
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: the other one?

676
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: Uh, Tyrus Thomas?

677
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: How things panned out, you know, considering those picks, like,

678
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: you know, the better picks are b Roy and you

679
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: know the surrounding picks of the draft. B Roy who

680
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: was the second name?

681
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I forgot Sheldon Williams. No, the the better

682
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: part of the draft bon Brennan Roy and who else?

683
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: One more? You said? One more?

684
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: Uh?

685
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: Uh, Rudy Gay. There you go. Rudy Gay is still playing.

686
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: So the more common names that we didn't cover, I

687
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: think you gotta go Anthony Bennett, you gotta go Markel Foltz,

688
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: which I would say is injury. I think the funniest one,

689
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is Marvin Bagley getting picked before Luca

690
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: because the story is that the Kings didn't pick Luca

691
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: because Lottie devocated Luke his dad on some Eastern European

692
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 1: rivalry ship.

693
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: And that's how you trick off the bag again, you

694
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Have to sit out. You know,

695
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: luckily they haven't been well until recently they've been having success,

696
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 2: but less like I said, like if you miss out

697
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: on these, sometimes you have to deal with mediocrity for

698
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: a minute. Man, That's what happens.

699
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: Hashim the beat, Oh, James Wiseman, James Wiseman, Hashim the beat,

700
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: the Ishim the beat. Sandwich Blake Griffin, Hashim to beat.

701
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: James Harden's tough sandwich. It's a tough sandwiches that that'd

702
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: be a good that'd be a good post The samwich,

703
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: the worst sandwich sam The sambuie is pretty bad.

704
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: It's pretty bad sandwich. You don't want to be the

705
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: protein in that sandwich, you know.

706
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: It's also a pretty bad sandwich. Your boy, your Serbian boy, who.

707
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: Big Darko, Yeah, he got a bad salmich.

708
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: Lebron Darko and Carmelo and then Bosh and Wade. He's

709
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: got a trip, He's got a triple decker. He's like

710
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: a big man.

711
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got like one of them Instagram sandwich is

712
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: them big ass ships, you know, the saying that you

713
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 2: can only get at one spot in the college town.

714
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: He got one of them, uh diners in dyninge whatever

715
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: that maybe on that show them big ass, ridiculously big sandwiches.

716
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: You got to get the the challenge to eat. That's

717
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 2: what he's up against. Poor darker Darko, cool too, Michael.

718
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 2: How do you feel about Michael Oliver Kandy? Here's one,

719
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: here's a name, two names before we close? How do

720
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: you feel about Joe Smith as a number one pick

721
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: and the way his ship panned out? And then Michael

722
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: Oliver Kandy as a number one pick the way his

723
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: ship panned out. If we're throwing away that janky ass turn,

724
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: which to me represent female parts for some people, it

725
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: represents that that other, that other thing we talked about

726
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 2: the bus, which has been the topic of conversation. Where

727
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: are you going? Ship? I aren't even gonna get to

728
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: Purvis Hellison, but where are you going? With Joe Smith

729
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 2: and Michael Oliva Kandy.

730
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: The Joe Smith one was pretty bad. He did have

731
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: a like a he played sixteen years. The Joe Smith

732
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: one was bad because you got make dice stackhouse sheet

733
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Speaker 1: kg right after. I want to say that, Michael Ola

734
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: Candy one wasn't that bad because the.

735
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 2: That's my draft, that's Paul Pierce, that's Vince Carter, that's

736
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: uh who I mean that draft ship?

737
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: Who else is inn missen Bibbie white Chocolate? What was

738
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: the what did you was that one when when you

739
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: saw it in real time? Like nobody understood the old

740
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: the older Candy University, University of the Pacific.

741
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: That was underneath not only the Sterling regime, but who

742
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: was the GM that was there that was doing zany

743
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: Elgin Baylor. Elgin Baylor was known to take some swings

744
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: and miss. Out of all due respect to better Elgin Baylor,

745
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say with he was known to take

746
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: some wings swings with that franchise and miss. He was

747
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: under duress. Come to find out, you know what I mean,

748
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: unbekneath to us that he was working under duress and

749
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 2: in a toxic environment. But these with the decision making

750
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: of Elgin Baylor and could have possibly been the owner

751
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 2: Donald Sterling as far as it pertains.

752
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: In a Michael Oliver Condi, elgend Baylor in his I

753
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: mean it's gotta be one, two, three, four, five six.

754
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: So elgend Baylor lasted for twenty two years as the

755
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: Clippers executive. How many winning seasons would you say he

756
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: had in twenty two years.

757
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: The Clippers used to be, I would say, and I

758
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: was busy playing mind you during some of the during

759
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: some of this time, so I don't have time to

760
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: keep up with you know, fat checking enough. But I

761
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: would say, to be honest, bro, zero.

762
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: It's not zero, but it's it's close.

763
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 2: It's a single digits seven. To see, that's two more

764
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:21,479
Speaker 2: than a dead man or organization that doesn't even exist yet,

765
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: or a friends yet. It could like, come on, bro.

766
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: So I don't know whether that's his fault. Maybe he

767
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: was hamstrung or his hands were tired, but he got

768
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: to live with that, just like I got to live

769
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: with the fact that I shot under fifty free throw

770
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: percentage in my NBA career. If I would have brought

771
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: that up a couple percentage points, those would have translated

772
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: into a couple more points of the game, which would

773
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: have translated to a few more dollars. He got to

774
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: live with the fact that in twenty seasons. His ass

775
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: had two winning seasons.

776
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: Now, was your free throw shit all mental or definitely?

777
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: It was just all mental.

778
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: Definitely.

779
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: The free throw line is a hell of a place

780
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: I think.

781
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: For a big man in the nineties when you have

782
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: to wrestle down there and then come and calm down.

783
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: And you know me, I'm naturally geek. Anyway, I play

784
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: it off well, you know what I mean, through the

785
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: help of meditation and some other things. But you know

786
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: what I mean. As it pertains into the professional environment,

787
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: that was one of the things the veterans had to do.

788
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, yeah, man, chill out, so you know

789
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: what I mean, me doing all that, you know what

790
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: I mean, not being the biggest dude in the world

791
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: at the time and then having to go shoot free

792
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: throws miss along with whatever whatever else I had to

793
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 2: go with going on mentally, I believe affected it. And

794
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: then listen to too many other moment when you start

795
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: missing free throws, like six motherfuckers want to talk to

796
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: you and tell you how to shoot free throws, then

797
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: you forget that. You know, at some point you were

798
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: a professional and you should just use a small tweet.

799
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: But then you start trying to change shit and evolve,

800
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: and then it just becomes the whole thing, and then

801
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: you just keep missing. I would like to see my

802
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: stats on advanced stats on like if it was a

803
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: free throw. I know this sounds stupid, Shack says it,

804
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: but if it was a free throw to tie the

805
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: game or go to the head, I bet you my

806
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: ship rose to like in the seventies. That's all I

807
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: would say about that. I ain't about to do the

808
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: metrics with you, but you know it. It was like intern

809
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: when it come on to get hired for Forgotten Seasons

810
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: Advanced metrics. Holler at us.

811
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: Another sandwich Dragon bender?

812
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: You got? Was that the guard? Nah?

813
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: He was the phoenix guy. It's not that it's actually

814
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: not a sandwich because you got Chris Dunne behind him

815
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: and Buddy Healed and then Jameson say he got saved,

816
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: He got saved. I want to find a couple more sandwiches.

817
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: Come on, well, Wiseman was it was Anthony Edwards and

818
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: LaMelo ball? Not great, that's just ice cream sandwich. That's

819
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: a sandwich. That's definitely a sandwich. I would say, how

820
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: about Josh Jackson.

821
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: Hands as I forgot about him?

822
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna be good due disrespect.

823
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, like when he's in the sound, he's in a.

824
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: Huggy Tatum and dearon Fox.

825
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: That's up there in the top three.

826
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: We'll make that post. That's a that's a hell of

827
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: a post.

828
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 2: The Forgotten Season, Salmon.

829
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Speaker 1: The Forgotten Season. Sandwich, holler at as Jersey, Mike's.

830
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: Come on man, Ike sandwiches. You know, Mom and pops,

831
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Anybody just making a good sandwich?

832
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Let us know this, this

833
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: is easy. We do these all day.

834
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

835
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take this time to do my shameless product

836
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Speaker 2: placement plug.

837
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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you know, drinkingeos dot.

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Speaker 2: Com, drinkingeos dot com.

839
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: Kid Gil Chris was definitely a sandwich.

840
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: We need to identify exactly what type of sandwich is

841
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: the r that's the scale, Say, oh yeah, what's the

842
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: biggest what's the biggest most offensive sandwich? That is it?

843
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: The PISTROMI I was gonna say, like a Ruben Yeah.

844
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: The Deli sandwich. The Deli sandwich versus what we're gonna

845
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: We're gonna do this for y'all. We're gonna get it right.

846
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: For Gotten seasons fans. But this is gonna be a

847
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: well thought out post. We need to vary the tears

848
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: off based on you know the size of the sandwich

849
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: and you know the whole thing. So deep cuts you

850
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: come here for no surface ship. You gotta go somewhere

851
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 2: else for that delai and you came about deep cuts.

852
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: How about Marvin Williams in front of in between Andrew

853
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: Bogan and Deron Williams. That could be like a you know,

854
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: a panini.

855
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: That is almost something you make at home. M with

856
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 2: the little panini press. You know, the little sandwich. It's

857
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,479
Speaker 2: still a sandwich, but I feel like that can be made.

858
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: It harm the us. See that's the that's that one tier.

859
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 2: There's a sandthum sandwiches. You can make it home, and

860
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: then there's those ones you gotta buy, and then there's

861
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 2: the daily sandwich. But you know the big annoying thing

862
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: with all the fixings. I think that should be qualified

863
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: as a sandwich. You can make it home, but you

864
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: have at least a panini press thing. You don't just

865
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 2: have to grill cheese it. You got to send you

866
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: got you can put the press marks in it, put

867
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: the panini maker. That's why I'm gonna put.

868
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: That Keith van Horn doesn't really qualify, right, he was sandwich,

869
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan and Chauncey Billups.

870
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: That's a sandwich. We ain't talking about Keith van Horn

871
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: until we talking about Keith Manhorn. When's the last time

872
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: you heard it? But to hear anybody talk about Keith Manhorn.

873
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: He was in the White Boy draft.

874
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 2: We I said, we ain't talking about Keith van Horne

875
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: unless we talk about Keith Fan's When is anybody else

876
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 2: talking about Keith man Horn? This not from Diamond Bar

877
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: or a Utah youth fan. And let us know in

878
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: the comments, man, if there's somebody that we miss, let

879
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: us know the sandwich, you know what I mean, let

880
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: us know if you go. If there's anybody we miss,

881
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: we don't know it all. Let's hear your ideas of

882
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: the proper the people that miss due to the sandwich,

883
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? No freaky initations involved, y'all.

884
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: Keep them comments clean. We don't need none of that,

885
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 2: none of that nonsense. We talk about.

886
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: Go ahead, what's your top sandwich? Not not not like

887
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: like physical like like like food sandwich.

888
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: I think it's a.

889
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: Give me your top give me, give me your top

890
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: three and we can get creative. Like I would like

891
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: a cheeseburger I think is a sandwich in this scenario.

892
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: Anytime you're sandwich between the Hall of Famer, you're in trouble.

893
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: So you just named Chauncey Billups and who.

894
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no, I'm talking about like food sandwiches.

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00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 2: Are you talking about the actual sandwich pastrami?

896
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: Wow?

897
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a pastrami sandwich guy. I'm one of these

898
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: new sandwich motherfucks. Because if you can put ye ro

899
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: and pastrami on a sandwich, you know what I mean.

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00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: I'm with. But if we're going traditionally, I'm a hot sandwich,

901
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: I'm a pastrami. I'm my adj you dip and I

902
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: may be what is a chicken club with some ships

903
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: would be ordering on the rub like a chicken sandwich.

904
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: Chicken club. YadA, YadA, YadA. Those are probably gonna be

905
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: my top three.

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00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: Top three. I would go turkey sandwich sandwich, just just

907
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: a good turkey sandwich.

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00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: I would go.

909
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: A chicken cutlet sandwich.

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00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: That's not New York and you got to get that

911
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 2: at the Delhi. They ain't doing in the West coast.

912
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: You gotta shave that ship down or it can be

913
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: a little filet. We ain't doing no cutlets.

914
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: And I would go and I would go sandwiches. I

915
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: would go, I would I'm gonna go New York on

916
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: you again. I'm gonna go bacon, egg and cheese. I mean, man,

917
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: is that officially in New York? Yeah, bacon, egg and

918
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: cheese is New York.

919
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: I would say, Okay, but.

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00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: It could be a homemade one too. I mean they're

921
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: not They're not hard to cheap. It's a cheap sandwich.

922
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: What was that thing we had from waffle house?

923
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: Oh, paddy melt.

924
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: But it was a special pad. What was it?

925
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: It was like it was no, it was like the

926
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: griddle Paddy melt.

927
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, fire waffle House. Higher at us for the nip

928
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: for this that much segment.

929
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: All right, Well that that is uh, that's this week's episode.

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00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: Mm HM with with.

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Speaker 1: With an extra side of sandwich. We appreciate you all listening,

932
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Speaker 1: and we will will catch you next week.

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Speaker 2: Ye