1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Long time listeners, this is 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: the part of the week where the show features you 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: ASTI usually three people, but this is the This is 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: the time of the week where we go through all 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: the correspondencies that we have received, all the emails, all 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: the phone calls, and we share your stories with your 15 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist. We're gonna be talking a little bit 16 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: about the slippery slope of framing headline. We're gonna be 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: talking about some mysterious deaths, and maybe we start there 18 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: because you know, guys, I'd like to make a clarification. 19 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: Earlier this week, at the very top of the show, 20 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: we mentioned the death of John McAfee and if it's 21 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: okay with everyone, I proposed that we start there, yes, please, yeah, 22 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: another person found dead by suicide in a prison Zell. 23 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: I suppose it's possible that by now that you know, 24 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: what what do you call that kill switch or the 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: dead dead hand will have been initiated. But I don't know. 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: The guy's got a history of crazy behavior and drug abuse, 27 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: so I also wouldn't put it past him to have 28 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: just kind of led to his own demise, which this 29 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: is why I decided, you know, and strange news. I 30 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: had said, we want everybody to know that we are 31 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: aware of this death. Uh, and we are doing a 32 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: full episode. We're still doing a full episode in the 33 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: near future. We thought, given how many people have written in, 34 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: it would be helpful for us to give a little 35 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: bit of context, a little bit of background point to 36 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: some of the controversies and some of the conspiracy. So 37 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: here we go, just choosing two quick emails because I 38 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: really enjoyed them. First, Thomas, Thomas, you wrote in with 39 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: a title your email that I quite enjoyed, it's the 40 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: death of Yeah boy. Why a apostrophe bo I? And 41 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, Thomas chooses his words carefully. He wants them 42 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: to have the maximum impact, which I agree with and 43 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: here is his email in full. John McAfee didn't kill himself. 44 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: That's it. That's that's the email. And we also have 45 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: some people in the crowd who agree with you, Thomas, 46 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: such as Kurt, who said, did you hear the unfortunate 47 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: news that John McAfee took his own life? Or did he? 48 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: I think this would make for an interesting news update 49 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: or full episode. Keep up the great work, Thanks Curtis 50 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: uh And then he provides a little bit of context, 51 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of the concerns this This of course 52 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: has shades of Epstein, right, Jeffrey Epstein, the child trafficker, 53 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: serial abuser, networker with billionaires. When he was found dead, 54 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: people were certain that he had been murdered and his 55 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: the scene of his death had been made to look 56 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: like a suicide. We covered this in three different episodes 57 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 1: in a series that still holds up today. I love 58 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: that book series Fifty Shades of Epstein, really gripping stuff. 59 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: And you know the thing is that these cases aren't 60 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: quite they aren't quite the same. They have some commonalities, right, 61 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: that are being hit upon in a lot of media 62 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: coverage and a lot of speculation. But when we look 63 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: at the case of McAfee. You know, we learned that 64 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: he was a very different person in comparison to Epstein. 65 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: And honestly, you know all the cards on the table, folks. 66 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Matt, Noel and Doc, but uh, 67 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: I still feel like the official conclusion on Epstein's death 68 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: leaves a lot to be desired and there there's some 69 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: real questions that need to be answered concerning irregularities and 70 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: the investigation, the prison guards, the highway bone, the list 71 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: goes on again. You can hear them in our full episode. 72 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: But today we're going to take a page from Curtis 73 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: and Thomas and look at the death of John David 74 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: McAfee to give you a bit of a pri or 75 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: before we do our full episode. So he was found 76 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: dead on June just a few days ago as we 77 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: record this, and he was in the Brian's Too Penitentiary Center, 78 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: which is near Barcelona, Spain. His death came mere hours 79 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: after the National Court of Spain had ordered that he'd 80 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: be extradited back to the US on criminal charges. And 81 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: what's interesting about this right now, this is an ongoing 82 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: emerging story, is that while he was alive on several occasions, 83 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: he would say things like He would say things like, 84 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: if I'm ever found dead by hanging, it will mean 85 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: that I was murdered. Do you want to say exactly? 86 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: He has a quote here from Twitter referencing Epstein hit 87 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: us with it. Yeah, says know that if I hang 88 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: myself Alah Epstein, it will be no fault of mine. Yeah. Yeah. 89 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: He also had a post where he said quote getting 90 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: subtle messages from US officials saying in effect, we're coming 91 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: for you McAfee, We're going to kill yourself. Yes, that's 92 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: how he wrote it. And then he says, I got 93 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: a tattoo to date just in case if I suicide myself. 94 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: I didn't, I was whacked with no eat. Check doesn't 95 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: have mad tattoos. Doesn't he have like fullback tattoos or like, yeah, 96 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: that's what I say that check my right arm part 97 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: directly references a tattoo that he has in kind of 98 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: a tribal style. He also, as he said with a 99 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: dead hand approach, noted that if I'm arrested I disappear, 100 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: thirty one plus terabytes of incriminating data will be released 101 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: to the press. He said that later this this dead 102 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: man switch or dead hand is something we talked about before. 103 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: It's the idea of taking posthumous revenge from beyond the 104 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: grave by have a mechanism in place which is not 105 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: that hard to do that requires you to check in 106 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: on a verified regular basis of some sort. And if 107 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: you fail to do that check in on schedule, then 108 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: it starts the ball rolling too. A release of whatever 109 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: juice or leverage you have over your enemies or whomever 110 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: you think is trying to kill you. It could be 111 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: something as simple as a scheduled social media post, you know, 112 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: like we do stuff like that all the time, or 113 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: even like a scheduled text message that like sends out 114 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: to a group or something you know absolutely and three 115 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 1: days before he passed away on June, his wife said 116 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: that Uncle Sam wanted him to die in prison. Specifically, 117 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: she said John's honesty has gotten him into trouble with 118 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: corrupt governments and corrupt government officials because of his outspoken 119 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: nature and his refusal to be extorted, intimidated, or silenced. 120 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: Now the U S authorities are determined to have John 121 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: Dye in prison to make an example of him for 122 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: speaking out against the corruption within their government agencies, and 123 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: then of course that posthumous Instagram post that was an 124 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: image of the letter Q. This has been, by the way, 125 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: taken down afterwards, so you won't see it on his 126 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: Instagram today. It's strange right now, the official conclusion is 127 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: that he died as a result of suicide, Like the 128 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: autopsy results are back. They've been released, and they appear 129 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: to confirm that he took his own life via hanging himself. 130 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 1: But his lawyer said he didn't have any suicidal ideation. 131 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: His family obviously, as you can tell, is not buying 132 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: the official explanation. But there's something else that happened just yesterday. 133 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: I've found this first in the New York Post, but 134 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: you can find it in multiple sources. Apparently there was 135 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: a suicide note found in his pocket when he was 136 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: discovered dead. You guys heard about that, right, Like that 137 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: just happened. Yeah, yeah, that was released. Was that with 138 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: the autopsy report or the official report on the heels 139 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: of it? Yeah? I don't know, man. Can I bring 140 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: up a tweet that that John McAfee's the official McAfee 141 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: I think it's yeah, at official McAfee went out on MA. 142 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: I just thought you guys might find this interesting. Because 143 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: I'm trying to analyze I don't know, maybe the thought 144 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: the thoughts that are happening here. Many of the tweets 145 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: are about how terrible prison is that? That are that 146 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: you can find on that official Twitter account. Now stuff 147 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: mentioning sorrow, uh sorrow masked with like I forget exactly 148 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: what it was, and you can find stuff like this 149 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: one today, a man facing a difficult situation asked if 150 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: I knew of painless ways to kill himself. Having little 151 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: experience in such I was of not much help. The 152 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: amazing thing is that the tone of the discussion was 153 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: like discussing the weather. Prison is a strange environment, um, 154 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: not that that has anything to do with his mindset 155 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: and when he was going through it is just put 156 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, putting it out there that many of 157 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: the other people, perhaps that John was encountering, we're feeling 158 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: like self harm was perhaps an answer, I see what 159 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah. And and to clarify he was being 160 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: extradited for tax evasion, It wasn't. That's another thing that 161 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: differentiates it from like the Epstein case. He wasn't. He 162 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: wasn't suspected at this point of the horrific crimes that 163 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and his network committed. Prosecutors specifically in Tennessee 164 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: said that from fourteen to eighteen, McAfee had not been 165 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: reporting income and he had been evading taxes, and apparently 166 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: he was making money hand over fist, promoting cryptocurrency and 167 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: doing speaking engagements. But you can find statements from him 168 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: where he's like, I don't have some hidden crypto fortune. 169 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: He objected to that, but the the indictments were pretty heavy, 170 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: and if convicted, he would have been in prison for 171 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: up to thirty years, and if you know the US 172 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: justice system, then it's somewhat rare for people to serve 173 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: the entirety of that time. But he still would have 174 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: no matter how you slice it, he would have been 175 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: looking at years in prison, probably less than thirty, but 176 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: definitely wouldn't be getting out, you know, a week later. 177 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: And he said and he also once Twitter said, uh, 178 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: he admitted to this. Though he admitted to the charges, 179 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: he wasn't prevaricating or try to make things up. He said, 180 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: I have not paid taxes for eight years. I have 181 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: not filed returns. Every year I tell the I R S, 182 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: I am not filing a return. I have no intention 183 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: of doing so, come and find me. Wasn't he also 184 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: in trouble for like pump and dump schemes with crypto, 185 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: with like golf coins and all that, like yeah, yeah, yeah, 186 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: And he's he's talking shade about Elon Musk on his 187 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: Twitter account. Uh, listen to this? Can I just read 188 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: one more tweet from him? Not peranc man? He was 189 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: a character? Very is it? January three tweet? No, this 190 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: one's from May of this year, says Bill Gates is 191 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: sued for divorce because of multiple affairs and hanging with 192 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: the Epstein crowd. Surely this is a joke. Bill makes 193 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg look like a sex god. Wow. I mean 194 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: he really he really kind of went after him on 195 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: a physical level, there, didn't he It attacked his manhood, 196 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: you could say, right, his virility even that he's sort 197 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: of ancuous little guy. Yeah. McAfee is definitely. Um. You 198 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: know the story of his life is filled with controversy, 199 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: filled with crazy claims, crazy not quite proven speculation, and 200 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: then very very wild, very well proven things. Uh do 201 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: you want to give one more tweets? Here? In January three, 202 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: he said, quote, I have not filed a tax return 203 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: for eight years. Why number one taxation is illegal? We 204 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: should mention he was formerly aiming to be the Libertarian 205 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: candidate for the presidency. Uh too. I paid tens of 206 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: millions already and received jack in services. Three. I've done 207 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: making money. I live off of cash from McAfee Incorporated. 208 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: My neck income is negative. I am a prime target 209 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: for the i R S here. I am like there's 210 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: some baiting going on here. Oh yeah, there is. Yeah, 211 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: But just if you're trying to think about his mindset again, 212 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: he's saying all that right then he gets caught. He's 213 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: in prison. He's facing federal charges and extradition. May twenty three, 214 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: day after the bill gates one, he says, I once 215 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: had everything after uncountable lawsuits in the reach of the Feds. 216 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: I now have nothing but inside these prison bars. I 217 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: have never felt more free. The things you believe you 218 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: own in reality on you, which is I mean that 219 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: last part is a philosophy that I think, I think 220 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: most people can agree with at some point in their lives. Yeah, 221 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,359 Speaker 1: but but just thinking about mindset, he you can't definitively 222 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: say anything from a series of you know, tweets that 223 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: are sent out by somebody, But uh, I don't know, 224 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: it's just maybe it's just interesting, interesting to talk about. 225 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: And I'm falling prey to this like desire to to speculate. 226 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: But I don't know, it's interesting to think about. I've 227 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: always wondered too. I mean, surely the McAfee company has 228 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: like a board of directors or you know, is a 229 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: publicly traded company. I'm not really sure. Um, but with 230 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: all of the negative press that he's received over the years, 231 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean, did he just sell it and then they 232 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: kept his name or has he always been the head 233 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: of this company and continued to run it in some 234 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: form of fashion? Uh? Yeah, good question. He resigned in 235 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: so yeah, he sold his stake in the operation, and 236 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: then he proceeded to become one of its most ardent critics. 237 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: And he was actually telling people you need to uninstalled 238 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: any anti virus software from that company. I think it's bloatwear. 239 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: And he was against them using his name too. But 240 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: my question is why would they? I mean, like, for me, 241 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: when I realized it was the same person, my mind 242 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: was blown because you think of anti virus software as 243 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: being just that bloatwear and kind of like necessary. Uh. 244 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: Pretty ineffective UM software. This slows your computer down, honestly, 245 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: sometimes more than the things that's trying to protect you from. 246 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: And I'm like, how could this possibly be the same guy? 247 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: I thought it was a joke. Uh, And then sure 248 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: enough it's not. But why do you think that the 249 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: current company, you know, board of directors continued using his name, 250 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: given the fact that he's outwardly attacking them and uh, 251 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: and that he's just this kind of like really divisive character. 252 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: I think it's name recognition, because we have to realize, 253 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, back in the nineties UM, a lot of 254 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: casual computer users probably wouldn't have known his life story. 255 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: And then, as we'll find full episode, he had plenty 256 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: of adventures ahead. Misadventures might be a better word, but 257 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: from what I understand, and they only need to do 258 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: some more digging here he was At some point McAfee. 259 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: The company tried to rebrand under Intel or something like that, 260 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 1: and they ran into a problem. People who people who 261 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: had already been familiar with this software under the name McAfee, 262 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: wanted to keep it because if you change the name, 263 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: they'll think it's something different, right, and then sales will plummet, 264 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: and the bottom line is, you know, as the main 265 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: focus for a lot of organizations of this size. But 266 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: be that as it may, Yes, there are there are 267 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: a lot of strange things surrounding John McAfee's death, and 268 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: the circumstances of his death, as well as the location, 269 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: are making it tougher for Uncle Sam to seize his assets. 270 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: That's some of the that's some of the breaking news now. 271 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 1: Earlier this morning, as we record, Bloomberg noted that the 272 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: US is going to have a tough time getting ahold 273 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: of whatever assets they think he still possessed at the 274 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: time of death. So we're going to return to this 275 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: very soon, because again, while there are arguably real suspicious 276 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: things about his demise, his life itself is a story 277 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: worth telling and worth exploring. We're going to run into 278 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: some interesting things, some plot twist you may not expect. 279 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: Look for that in the near future. And in the meantime, 280 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: let's take a pause for a word from our sponsors, 281 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: y odd if it was McAfee, wouldn't it, And we'll 282 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: return with more letters from you, And we're back with 283 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. The Listener Mail Edition, 284 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: all the Listener Mail. It's fit to speak on a podcast. 285 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: That's our our our tagline, I see what you're doing, 286 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: and it isn't really but this is a thing, you guys, 287 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: and it's something that I really didn't give much thought 288 00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: to until the Washington Post changed their tagline from something 289 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: much more innocuous. I think it was like we Dig 290 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: Deeper or something like that, to Democracy dies in darkness. 291 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: You guys, remember that. It was quite the news story. Um. 292 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: There's obviously a couple of ways you can read that. 293 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: You can read that as like, you know, in the 294 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: absence of light, democracy will shrink and die, or you 295 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: can look at it as a uh crushing admonition of 296 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: the Trump presidency. Obviously they were at odds with each other, 297 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: the Washington Post in particular, and also the New York Times. UM, 298 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: Trump would would attack them frequently. So you could also 299 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: just look at it as like a yep, democracy is 300 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: currently dying in darkness, because that is what we are 301 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: in right now. Is is a dark age. UM. But 302 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting because it really does have, you know, dual meetings, 303 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: and and it led me and also our listener feather 304 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: Cap to wonder about the history of newspaper taglines. UM. 305 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: So here's here's a letter from feather Cap. Greetings, longtime listener, 306 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: since Wow, okay, love the show. I was listening to 307 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: Everything Is Alive on Saturday. It's a podcast that I 308 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: don't think I know, but I need to check it out. 309 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: At some point during the podcast, I heard an interesting 310 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: fact toyed newspapers have slogans. In this case, the guy 311 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: mentions the slogan for the Washington Post democracy dies in Darkness. 312 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: I had no idea that newspapers have slogans. This could 313 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: be an interesting topic. Not a complete show, but a 314 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: brief segment. I think O this would be interesting hearing 315 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: about newspaper slogans, history of best ones, worst ones, etcetera. 316 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for the amazing show, keep on keeping on, peace 317 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: and love, feather cap Um. I completely agree. Probably not 318 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: a whole episode's worth, but definitely something UH worth discussing here. UM. Briefly, 319 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: I found a real cool article from c j R 320 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: dot org that's the Columbia Journalism Review UH that again 321 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: references this dramatic Washington Post slogan change um, and it 322 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: kind of led them to dig a little deeper and 323 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole of where did these come from? 324 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: UM and n y U that in In this article 325 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: by Tony Reagan, UH, he quotes a professor from n 326 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: y USE, Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute gentleman. Also his 327 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: name's Mitchell Stevens. By the way, he also wrote a 328 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: book called UH History of News, and he says this 329 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: newspapers and other products of the printing press were some 330 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: of the first mass produced products. Never thought about that way, 331 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: but it absolutely makes sense. The printing press allowed text 332 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: and print and stories and news to be you know, 333 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: duplicated many, many, many many times. It was one of 334 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: the first examples of mass production. UH. He goes on 335 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: to say slogans on the ears of the front page 336 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: were the most regular and visible way to advertise UM. 337 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: He goes on even to talk about how during frontier times, UH, 338 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: there were small newspapers that would pop up. For example, 339 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: if you think about UM the newspaperman in Deadwood, the 340 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: TV show about the Old West. UM. I can't remember 341 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: what it was, but pretty sure his little newspaper had 342 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: a had a slogan UM. So, for example, they talked 343 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: about in seventeen seventy five, there were three different newspapers 344 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: around the Williamsburg area UH in Virginia that were called 345 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: the Virginia Gazette. But each of them carried a different tagline, 346 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: and the whole point was to differentiate your brand and 347 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: make you stand out from the competition, oftentimes which had 348 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: the exact same name. So this was crucial. Uh. One 349 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: of them was containing the freshest advices foreign and domestic. Um. 350 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: The other was open to all parties but influenced by 351 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: none really like that one. And then the last one 352 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: was always for liberty and the public good of course, 353 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: public spelled with a C k um. But Yeah, I 354 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: don't know, guys, is this something you've ever noticed or 355 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: really paid much attention to, beyond when we obviously had 356 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: that very um, you know, soapboxy dramatic switch by the 357 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: Washington Post. Yeah. I'm interested in this because it's it's 358 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: an argument for language, and it's also is something a 359 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: little bit forensic about looking looking at the evolution of 360 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: slogans over time. There's a there's a cool article that 361 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: you might enjoy, a feather cap on the outline dot 362 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: com by Adrian Jeffreys that runs through this pinopoly, this 363 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: wide variety of of mottos, and you can find you 364 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: can find some funny history here. There's some that are 365 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: Many are vaguely inspirational, some are pretty ambitious, a couple 366 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: are vaguely threatening. Some are are just so confident. For 367 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: a long time, apparently the Chicago Tribunes motto was the 368 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: world's greatest newspaper. And then later there was an adult 369 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: magazine called Screw, And this is all from that article 370 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: and Screw when they started, they took the Chicago Tribunes motto. 371 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: So if you were in the you know, through in 372 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: the dirty part of the bookstore, you would also there 373 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: see something billy itself as the world's greatest newspaper. But this, 374 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: this is all framing, right, this all matters. This is 375 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: like a business card for these enterprises to assure readers 376 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: of their objectivity and their commitment to credibility and so 377 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: people I can only menage and spend a lot of 378 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: time thinking about economy of language, how to make the 379 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: most impact the smallest amount of words, just like our 380 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: pal Thomas from earlier. Uh, there there's some, there's some 381 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: great ones. As a matter of fact, in this article, 382 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: Jeffreys includes the motto for her own outfit that she's 383 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: writing for. For the outline and their tagline is it's 384 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: not for everyone, It's for you. Oh gosh, that's clever. Uh. 385 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: There's a really fun one and an interesting change that 386 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: kind of I guess. Uh. It is probably one of 387 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: the most famous of taglines, even if you don't know 388 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: where it comes from. Uh. For the New York Times. Uh. 389 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: Initially in eighteen ninety six Eightolf ox Or I think 390 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: it's probably Oaks O. C. H. S Um. He was 391 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: a Chattanooga newspaperman and he bought The New York Times, 392 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: which was at the time actually going under Um, and 393 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: he had a contest to see what the new slogan 394 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: might be, and the winner was it will not soil 395 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: the breakfast cloth. And the implication is cloth, the breakfast cloth. 396 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: That sounds like something up well, it sounds like in 397 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: the bed or something, you know. I mean, like, really, 398 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: it will not soil the breakfast cloth. Like it's when 399 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: you used to have breakfast every morning, you'd all first, 400 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: before you do anything, you'd roll out the breakfast claw, 401 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: possibly with a sort of a checkerboard pattern design on it, 402 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: you know, or some flowers. We did have tables like aristocrats. No, 403 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: I'm also thinking like like someone's like, and if I 404 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: had any regrets over the course of my long life, 405 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: would be not sharing the breakfast cloth. But the thing is, 406 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: they're also telling you the ink is dried. That's what 407 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: they're You're right, it is a quality control thing. They're 408 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: they're attesting to the quality of their ink and their 409 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: actual like and it's not gonna get your hands all inky. 410 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: But they're also saying it's not spewing all the same 411 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: kind of garbage that a lot of the yellow journalists, 412 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: like William Randolph Hurst's papers were, uh, The Journal and 413 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: and the Pulitzer's World for example. Again, I'm pulling a 414 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: lot of this information from this excellent Columbia Journalism Review 415 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: article that you should read in its entirety. Um. But 416 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: it was setting his paper apart from those because that 417 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: yellow journalism was all about salacious headlines and if it bleeds, 418 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: it leads and all that stuff. And he wanted The 419 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: New York Times to be much more like a thinking 420 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: man's newspaper, you know. Um. And so eventually he got 421 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: rid of the breakfast cloth, which probably already wasn't aging 422 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: particularly well. Shame yeah, I know, it really hasn't changed 423 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: it to again, what's a pretty popular phrase that I 424 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: didn't realize even was associated with The Times, which is 425 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: all the news that's fit to print. I got it. 426 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: I still I'm over the moon about breakfast cloth, like 427 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: it could be used for so many weird things. Why 428 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: don't we make it? Why don't we make it a 429 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: term of endearment? My little breakfast cloth. It's a little 430 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: it's a little weird. I gotta give it shout out though. 431 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: My favorite so far of these and thank you for 432 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: taking us down this rabbit hole. Of my favorite so 433 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: far of these is comes from Mason Valley News in Yarrington, Nevada. 434 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: This site in the article you mentioned earlier, it is 435 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: quote the only newspaper in the world. It gives a 436 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: damn about Yarrington. It's brilliant. No, listen, when I when 437 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: I go out there and I pick up my dollar 438 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: maybe two dollar newspaper just depends on where I am. 439 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: I want to know, is there a publication that is 440 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: in any way threatening, like their slogan is specifically a threat. 441 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: Does that exist? Yeah, it does, It does matter. I 442 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: think you know it does. I think I'm gonna needs 443 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: you to give it to us. Well, if you're If 444 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: you're hanging out in Aspen and you pick up a 445 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: copy of the Aspen Daily, as Matthew Cassel did and 446 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: then he tweeted a picture of it, you will find 447 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: that this publication, The Daily Aspen warns you and everyone 448 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: who may pick it up if you don't want it printed, 449 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: don't let it happen. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty great. Uh. 450 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: This one, on the other hand, from the Detroit News 451 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: definitely feels like a threat and it's we know where 452 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: you live. Fantastic again, implication being we know Detroit, which 453 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: is where you live, but it's also vaguely sinister. They're like, 454 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: we're coming for you, dear reader, if you're a subscriber. Yeah, 455 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: that's hilarious. Wow, I just said you guys. Another one, 456 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: this is fun the newspaper for those who can read. 457 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: This is from Nasha, Canada. Beautiful. Yeah, this is fascinating 458 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: And and also I think you could argue that in 459 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: this situation, some of these newspapers have made a little 460 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: bit of false advertising, right or they've like, like, newspapers 461 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: do take a stance, a journalistic stance on any number 462 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: of things. Um, but but it's fascinating because so much 463 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: time and energy is spent in the mechanics of language 464 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: for journalism, like I will always love a good snarky, 465 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 1: trashy British headline from from even like the very you know, 466 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: the papers of records and stuff. Even those folks will 467 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: we'll go nuts, will get susy it with a a 468 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: good headline. And uh, I think there's an order to it. 469 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: You know, I think there's an order to it. I 470 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: completely agree. I have to issue a slight retraction. All 471 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: of the other ones in this USA Today column were correct, 472 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: but it appears that the Detroit News we Know where 473 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: you Live isn't real. Every other one in here is real, 474 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem to be a parody column. Very strange. 475 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: It's by Jerry mitchell Um from the Jackson, Missippi Clarion 476 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: Ledger and the title is early column Slogans, State of Newspapers, 477 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: Truth and Changing Times. But I tried to Google because 478 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: it does seem just so perfect and and bizarre, and 479 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't find any references to it. So I don't know, Doc, 480 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: you're from Detroit, you ever heard of the Detroit News 481 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: we Know where you Live? Or the Detroit Free Press. Well, 482 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: the Detroit News and the Detroit Free Press are definitely 483 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: like the two biggest newspapers in Detroit. But I've never 484 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: heard that slogan before. Whamp wamp wamp Well anyway, check 485 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: your sources, Jerry Mitchell I in um anyway. But yeah, 486 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: all of the all of the rest of these are 487 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: absolutely correct and real, and um, you're right then. I mean, 488 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: remember when I don't know if they still do this, 489 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: but remember when newspapers used to endorse a political candidate. Yes, yeah, yeah, 490 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: but but some during you know, I know, because the 491 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: Trump administration was quite divisive, they chose to abstain. I 492 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: believe or there was definitely some of that tradition was 493 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: broken during that election. Yeah. We run into this sometimes 494 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: when we see something that's a national rather than a 495 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: regional publication. Right, So it's a matter of ethics and economics, 496 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: I would pause it, meaning that you want to keep 497 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: your circulation as high as possible across the nation, meaning 498 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: that there are three hundred and twenty million plus people 499 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: who rarely agree on anything, and so you're definitely drawing 500 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: a line in the sand if you say, hey, this 501 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 1: is our guy, please stay subscribed to our paper. You know, 502 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I so maybe maybe it's a 503 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: safety thing, or maybe the the just tenor of news 504 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: has has changed because we have to consider, you know what, 505 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: the rise of television, a lot of newspapers ended up 506 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: taking a hit in circulation, and with the rise of 507 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: online news or online sources purporting to be news, than 508 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: what we found was that people were getting a lot 509 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: of their news and reporting from television channels that already 510 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: had well established their perspective and whatever biased they might 511 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: have or wherever they sit in terms of the political spectrum, 512 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: Like it's obvious, right, regardless of how you feel on 513 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: the subject of which is right or which is wrong, 514 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: it's obvious that Fox News is right wing, and it's 515 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: obvious that MSNBC is left wing. So the argument would 516 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: be that with television, they're get news sources that aren't objective, 517 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: and the papers are trying to show that they are 518 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: objective even when that is not the case. Which is 519 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: so funny because I mean, you know, it's not like 520 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: CNN calls themselves a liberal news network, or that Fox 521 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: calls themselves conservative news net. I mean, I guess they 522 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: do sort of, but it's not it's not front and center. 523 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 1: It's just more something that you have to kind of 524 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: like pull from their ideology that for certain networks can 525 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: be more nuanced. Like I always get confused, like what 526 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: is MSNBC. I think they're liberal, but I it's like, 527 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: it's weird that we have to make that distinction, almost 528 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: in the same way that like we do with candidates, 529 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: because it really is like a lot of different things 530 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: taken in totality that make you that one thing or 531 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: the other, And why can't it be like shades of 532 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: that thing, you know what I mean? It seem like 533 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: there's room for many political ideologies in the news, but 534 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: I honestly, there shouldn't be any at all. It should 535 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: all be objective, but there's always going to be kind 536 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: of an agenda, and I think we see that with 537 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: these taglines there. That's where they're sort of drawing their 538 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: line in the sand, right, like the whole spe specifically 539 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: some of the older ones where it was like I 540 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: think there was one that I mentioned that was implying 541 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: that it was open to both parties but leaning towards 542 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: not one in particular. I'm obviously they don't pay me 543 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: to write newspaper taglines. Oh I got what uh podcasting 544 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: read with your ears? All right, we'll workshop it everybody. 545 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: What was that when we did for Miller lighte bend? 546 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: I think that was so good you can drink it 547 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: with your mouth. Mhm, yep, we gave we we gave, 548 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: we gave that one to them. Wow, I think it. 549 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: See you like it? You like it? Right? Bat now 550 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: you're thinking about high school Miller Light and putting your 551 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: mouth on It wouldn't be a segment if we didn't 552 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: end it with a a couple of pithy AI generated 553 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: slogans of our own, because that's something we definitely do 554 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: all the time. I found a website called Slogan generator 555 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: dot org. So let's see what if I type in, 556 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: it only lets you put in one word. So for 557 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: this one, I'm gonna use beer. And then I'd love 558 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: each of you to give one and what we'll see 559 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: what it comes out. So I had generate slogan and 560 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: we've got we dedicate ourselves to splendid beer. Matt, what 561 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: you got? Uh? So you can only do one word, 562 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: one word, one word at a time. Sorry, Um, it's 563 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: very rudimentary. Slogan generator magic love that, okay, Magic generate slogan. 564 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: We know magic, There we go. I think i've I've 565 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: found the same site. Is it dot com? That's a 566 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: different one. I'm just using slogan generator dot org, which 567 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: is much more official because it's an org. Yeah, so 568 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to try this different one, and I, uh, 569 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: let's see. I don't want to spoil the surprise, but 570 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: I've got a good got a good slogan for you. Okay, 571 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: breakfast cloth. Let the good times roll? Yes, let me 572 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: maybe it'll let you to do to you? Where's breakfast cloth? 573 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: Here we go? Is breakfast cloth in you? The breakfast 574 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: cloth specialists? Okay, I think we've had enough fun with this. 575 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: Let's take another quick break and then we'll be back 576 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: with that one more piece of listener mail from you. Well, hey, 577 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: welcome back everybody. This is the listener mail segment, and 578 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: I've got a voicemail for us to hear. Hey, this 579 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: is Palin Washington. I got a shout out to you 580 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: guys a long time ago, back when need to the 581 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,959 Speaker 1: intelligence video. UM, I was wondering if you guys could 582 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 1: look into the John Lane case and the Fresno police, 583 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: specifically the cameras and the van. I want to know 584 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: it's specifically that was the thermal camera that they were 585 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: looking at. I know that in Waco. UM evidently, like 586 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: the British are using like thermal cameras to look into 587 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: the count the compound. And it'd be interesting to see 588 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: if like thermal cameras have gotten not small now to 589 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: where they can employ them in vans and stuff like that. So, 590 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: like that would be cool, that would be a great episode. 591 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: I think I'd appreciated things. But hey, an old friend 592 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: of the show, you know, that always always makes my 593 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 1: evening to hear that's right out during the daytime Talent 594 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: Washington was watching our videos when they were on the 595 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: How Stuff Works YouTube channel. Yeah, we worry even my time. 596 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: Weird deep cut for everybody here. We used to put 597 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: hidden messages, sometimes not subliminal, just hidden messages into our videos, 598 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: and sometimes we would shout people out. Sometimes we would 599 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: send people on a bit of a rabbit hole about 600 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: some extra information we didn't want to say out loud. 601 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,399 Speaker 1: Check out our videos to find those, UM and I 602 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: we actually shouted out Talent Washington in a video, and 603 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 1: I think it's the plant like how sophisticated our plants 604 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: maybe I can't remember the actual title on the Old 605 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,479 Speaker 1: House Stuff Works channel, but anyway, we've known this person 606 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: for a long time time. It was great to hear 607 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: their voice and talent is asking specifically about John Lange. 608 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: That's l a n G who was a person who 609 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: lived in Fresno, California, a person who died. Before we 610 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: get into a lot of the specifics, guys, I want 611 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: to jump to the official reporting from two outlets, ABC 612 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: Channel thirty in Fresno, California and The Fresno B also 613 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: in Fresno, California. I'm gonna read you, guys a couple 614 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: of articles from them, and it is the official story 615 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: of what's happening in real time when this person, John 616 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: Lange died. Don the Fresno BE a jokey newspaper? No 617 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: Fresno B is the Fresno B. There was one from 618 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: Fresno that I swear to God I found and it 619 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: was for another show, and like realized that it was 620 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: totally bold and that it was like a satirical newspaper. Oh, 621 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: I you may, I'm sorry. I just said they triggered 622 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: in me. I just remembered, Um, it was about wolf whistles. 623 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: It was like a ridiculous history episode we did. And 624 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: there was one article we found about the reverse wolf 625 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: whistle that was like women holler and a dudes and 626 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: it was this whole article. And I believe the Friends 627 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: no v and it was completely satirical, but it may 628 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: have been just like a column or please ignore me 629 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: if I'm incorrect. Friends and No B I believe is 630 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: owned by McClatchy. I think they're they're real. Um And 631 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: and the Fresno B comes into play in the bigger 632 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: story here about John Lane. And I'm just gonna go 633 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: ahead and put this out there. I don't think we 634 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: have time to cover this whole thing, but I'm gonna 635 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: take you through the story. Let you see why it 636 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: feels like we should be asking questions about this person's death. Okay, 637 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: so here we're jumping first to ABC thirty. There's an 638 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: article called man found stabbed in burning Central Fresno home Inside. 639 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: They describe how a man was discovered ward inside a 640 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: house that was on fire. He was pronounced dead at 641 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: the hospital and there's a video you can watch on 642 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 1: this article of the neighbor's reactions to what's going on. UM. 643 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: The smoke was first spotted by neighbors. They were right 644 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: around in that area, and apparently firefighters were just down 645 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: the road doing a completely other call. They're like involved 646 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: with other things. When they got flagged down in the 647 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: calls started coming through. They went into the home. And 648 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: this is important. The home had a large gate, large 649 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: large iron gate in front of it. Firefighters broke their 650 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,720 Speaker 1: way through, got into the house, found a man unconscious 651 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: in the kitchen and bleeding from several stab wounds. Again, 652 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: this is according to ABC News. He was taken to 653 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: the hospital and pronounced dead there, and Lieutenant Joe Gomez 654 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: with the Fresno Police Department said they didn't know whether 655 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: the stab wounds or perhaps smoke inhalation from the fire 656 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: ultimately led to this person's death. Um, but they did 657 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: say it was suspicious, like investigators called it, called the 658 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: death in the whole situation suspicious, and they believe the 659 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: house was intentionally set on fire. Okay, So that's article 660 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: number one. That was January twenty one, two thousand sixteen. 661 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: Now let's jump to the Fresno b just a couple 662 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 1: of days later on January. This article is titled man 663 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: found dead after suspicious Central Fresno Fire identified and the 664 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: Fresno b says that this person is in fact John Lange, 665 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: who was fifty one years old. He had a multiple 666 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: stab wounds to his abdomen and upper back, according to 667 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: the authorities. That's the Fresno B saying that the body 668 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: was found around three pm, so in the afternoon, and 669 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: again he was not responsive, rushed to a hospital and 670 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: pronounced dead. And they again say it's unclear whether he 671 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,280 Speaker 1: died as a result of stab wounds or the fire, 672 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: which damaged much of the home. So if you just 673 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 1: know that, you know, a person is found in a 674 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 1: house stabbed while the house is on fire, right, if 675 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: if anything has happened that was suspicious, I would say 676 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: that was probably be it. We'll also talk about adding 677 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,919 Speaker 1: insult to injury. I mean, if a getting stabbed isn't 678 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 1: enough and they set your house on fire, it seems 679 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: that way, right. And then there's an investigation with the 680 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: Fresno Police Department. I believe. I don't know if the 681 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: Sheriff's department actually had anything to do with this, but 682 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: the Fresno Police did. And here is what is published 683 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: on April fools, not four April Fools. But on April one, 684 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: by again ABC Channel thirty there in Fresno, they said 685 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: that the Fresno County Coroner's Office confirms that John Lang's 686 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: death was a suicide. Uh okay. According to this article, 687 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: Corners determined that the wounds were self inflicted, and it 688 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 1: actually posts the Corners report and the full information here. 689 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: You can find that. It's on ABC thirty search for 690 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 1: John Lang's death ruled a suicide and you can actually 691 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 1: read the whole thing if you want to. We are 692 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: going to and that's something we'll be looking at if 693 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 1: we do indeed cover this more. They say that the 694 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: cause of death in this case was inhalation of smoke, right, 695 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: not the stab wounds, which, uh, which people will argue 696 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,439 Speaker 1: were somewhat superficial. It's interesting, though, isn't it that the 697 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: the initial statement from Fresno p D, the the public 698 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 1: information officer, a guy named Lieutenant Joe Gomez. Initially, Gomez 699 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: says that he was killed by multiple stab wounds. And 700 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: then it's later when that report comes out and they say, no, 701 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: it's actually smoke inhilation because whatever fire was lit, wasn't 702 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: it didn't ultimately destroy the building, right, It didn't turn 703 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: into a structure fire. No. No, it's almost as though 704 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: the house fire was like a diversion or like it 705 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: was a knowing way of making it look like something 706 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: else happened. I don't know. Um, but isn't there that 707 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: it gets weirder though, doesn't it? Matt? Well, yes, there's 708 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,760 Speaker 1: there's a potential for many different things in this story. 709 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 1: I would say it gets very much weirder because, Uh, 710 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: the rabbit hole gets really deep on this. One guy's 711 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: John really did believe that the Fresno Police Department of 712 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: Law Enforcement in his local area had a vendetta against him. 713 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: And you and find his YouTube page if you search 714 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: for it. It's I believe if you search for Lange 715 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: Marine m A r I n E l A n 716 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 1: G m A r I n E you can find it. 717 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 1: There are well, I don't know, a couple dozen videos 718 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: maybe less than a little less than that on that 719 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 1: YouTube channel that you can view. It's all surveillance photography 720 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: from his house. You can see the iron gate there. 721 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 1: You can see the camera that Talent Washington mentions. Talent said, 722 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, is that camera thermal imaging or I believe 723 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,720 Speaker 1: that's something to that effect. Was it a thermal imaging camera? 724 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: And this is a question that has just been nagging 725 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,879 Speaker 1: at me ever since he asked it, because I don't 726 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: believe that I or anyone else can prove through that 727 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: YouTube video if this is in fact some kind of 728 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: thermal imaging device, because in order to know that, you'd 729 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,720 Speaker 1: have to look at essentially the sensor in this YouTube 730 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: video that was posted April titled thermal imaging threat and 731 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,320 Speaker 1: intimidation by Fresno Law Enforcement. Again, those are the words 732 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 1: of John lang Um saying what he believes is in 733 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:24,399 Speaker 1: this video you can see a van open that sliding door. 734 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: There is a person holding a mobile rig camera system 735 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: that definitely has glass on the front, some kind of 736 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: lens and pointing it what looks to be directly at 737 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: the house where the camera is. And but just to 738 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,240 Speaker 1: go back, the whole point is that I can't prove 739 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: nobody else can prove what the censor was on that device, 740 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: because all you can really see in this grainy YouTube 741 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: video is the lens itself. Yeah, it's interesting and like 742 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: the caption er, I guess in the metadata for the 743 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: YouTube video, he claims this was um an example of 744 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,359 Speaker 1: has no California sheriff personnel checking to see if he's 745 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,320 Speaker 1: home so that they could then enter his premises illegally. 746 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: And what fine compliment on him or like, I don't 747 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 1: know what that what is he accusing them of in 748 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: that department. There's a there is a huge story that 749 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: is it is told by John Lange in the in 750 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: a series of social media posts on Facebook and other places. 751 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: On the Fresno Bees commenting system on their site, as 752 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: well as in these YouTube descriptions. In comments and titles, 753 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,840 Speaker 1: there's a there's a whole story that John Lange believed. 754 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,799 Speaker 1: Whether it was true or not, we can't say. We 755 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: don't know, but he believed it and then he met 756 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,880 Speaker 1: that demise. So you know, if we do cover this, 757 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: it's going to be about looking at his story, looking 758 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: at what happened, and seeing what we can prove and 759 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: what we can't. I think, oh god, those comments are 760 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: talking about Ben. He accuses an employee of the Fresno 761 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:08,359 Speaker 1: b of leaking his IP address to law enforcement. That's 762 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: that's that's one of the claims that he makes. And 763 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: then one of these these captions, there's there's a lot 764 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: of stuff that I want to say about this, and 765 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: in fact, we can we cut some of it because 766 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna do a full episode on this. So already 767 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,880 Speaker 1: there are some some clear rabbit holes. There's some badgers 768 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: and bags here. Every life lost on some level there 769 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 1: is a track, even if you don't care for the 770 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 1: person who passed. Uh. And there I think we can 771 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: make a pretty solid argument that one of the best 772 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: things you can do is have a clear understanding of 773 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: what actually happened to someone, especially if we're not saying 774 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 1: this is the case, but especially if the person is 775 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: in a situation where the folks who took their lives 776 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: are walking around free today. You know what I mean? 777 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: There there is something to be said for justice. Uh this, Yeah, 778 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: this is going to be complicate. Talent. You know you 779 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: You're stuck with us for so long, man, I feel 780 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: like the least we can do is is dive into 781 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 1: this episode. I think we we should. I'm gonna answer 782 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 1: your question about the camera right now, though, because I 783 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: can't tell you for sure what it was, But you 784 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,720 Speaker 1: asked if they were small enough, If a Fleer camera 785 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: thermal imaging camera was small enough to fit onto that rig. Yes, 786 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: in two right, yes, if you right now if you 787 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,279 Speaker 1: head on over to Flear dot com f l i 788 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,359 Speaker 1: R dot com, you can find something that is meant 789 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 1: to be specifically used by law enforcement and other security 790 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,719 Speaker 1: forces called the Flear breach. That this is something that 791 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,359 Speaker 1: you can attach to to a lens or you can 792 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: attach to a rig. It's a sensor basically that can 793 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 1: see thermal imaging. You can also find something called this 794 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,839 Speaker 1: Scion PTM, which is a monocle like this you just 795 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 1: hold up that uses thermal footage so you can see 796 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 1: if somebody's inside a house or not the way John 797 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,759 Speaker 1: feared that, you know, the law enforcement was doing to him, 798 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: like one of those things you'll see a director looking 799 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 1: through to to frame a shot like it's that small. 800 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 1: It's like a tiny telescope. You know. Now, now that 801 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 1: is not what was That was definitely not what was 802 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 1: used in that video, but it exists if we want 803 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,200 Speaker 1: to talk about it being small enough. Uh. The other one, 804 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: the Flear breach, is more interesting to me. That doesn't 805 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: mean it was necessarily a Flear camera in the video, 806 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: but on their YouTube it shows how you can connect 807 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 1: this thing up to monitors. Because it seems to me 808 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: that in that video with the van. You can see 809 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,880 Speaker 1: that they've got a camera and glass set up, a 810 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 1: lens with some handles to hold it and some kind 811 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: of monitoring situation there to you who knows if that's 812 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,759 Speaker 1: what it was. The last site you can check if 813 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: you want to p R dash in for a red 814 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 1: dot com. On this site you can find handheld and 815 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 1: mobile thermal imaging UH products and you can look through here. 816 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,799 Speaker 1: There are a ton of different ones from Flear and 817 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 1: Pulsar and Envision and Infra raise Vice. There's a ton 818 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 1: check them out. See what you see there, see what 819 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: you think and UH. 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