Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay Travis buck
Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you rolling with us as
Speaker 1: we are diving into the biggest stories of the day
Speaker 1: and beyond probably, but also it's going to have a
Speaker 1: lot of fun with you as we break down everything
Speaker 1: going on in the larger universe. And right off the
Speaker 1: top here, we had a big conversation about this yesterday,
Speaker 1: the fact that there was a leak to CNN and
Speaker 1: The New York Times that suggested the attack on Saturday
Speaker 1: evening here in the United States on Tehran was not
Speaker 1: actually effective, and that has been pushed back on aggressively.
Speaker 1: And it started really early this morning at eight am Eastern,
Speaker 1: when Pete Hegseth came out and just went to town
Speaker 1: on the press and the reporting surrounded this. Now, I
Speaker 1: want to play some of these cuts because it was
Speaker 1: a pretty intense press conference, but I'll start with a
Speaker 1: conversation that we had yesterday, which was about the challenge
Speaker 1: the difficulty of finding out who leaked this information, particularly
Speaker 1: as it appears that it may well not have been accurate.
Speaker 1: So Buck, you worked in the intelligence community when you
Speaker 1: saw this report was leaked, did you think initially, hey,
Speaker 1: this is kind of unheard of. Did it totally seem
Speaker 1: maybe not a positive thing, but not an unexpected thing.
Speaker 1: And I know we talked about this some yesterday, but
Speaker 1: what are the difficulties that would be inherent in figuring
Speaker 1: out who actually leaked to this because it is certainly
Speaker 1: classified information.
Speaker 2: Well, the fact that somebody would take this to the
Speaker 2: press so early on in the process and that it
Speaker 2: was already known to be a low confidence assessment just
Speaker 2: means somebody wanted to blunt the narrative of Trump is
Speaker 2: just kicking ass and making excellent decisions as commander in chief.
Speaker 2: And this war those who said, it's not even a war,
Speaker 2: it's a military strike, okay, you know, think of all
Speaker 2: the countries that we have had military operations in that
Speaker 2: we would not consider ourselves to be at war or
Speaker 2: in the midst of a war.
Speaker 3: But Clay, this was meant.
Speaker 2: To have a political ramification, because if you wanted this
Speaker 2: to have US national security in mind, if you wanted
Speaker 2: to be somebody said, hey, guys, hey, I'm worried about
Speaker 2: the reactors. I'm worried that there could still be a
Speaker 2: lot more here. We didn't get enough. What you would
Speaker 2: want is to wait until you pull together all of
Speaker 2: the best sources, get it rock solid, and then work
Speaker 2: its way up the chain through the CIA director or
Speaker 2: the DiiA director in this case, and then at that
Speaker 2: point you know you would have done your due diligence.
Speaker 2: This wasn't a due diligence moment. This was somebody who
Speaker 2: decided I'm going to be the one who reigns on
Speaker 2: Trump's parade. Here, this was an individual. This was a
Speaker 2: deep stater. This is someone who did not have the
Speaker 2: interests of the United States in mind, but the interests
Speaker 2: of a very bitter and weak and feckless looking Democrat
Speaker 2: machine in mind, and hope to take away some of
Speaker 2: the sense of a bulliance and some of the congratulations
Speaker 2: that have been going around, not just for Trump's decision,
Speaker 2: but for the men and women who flew the airstrikes themselves,
Speaker 2: for the Pentagon pulling this off, the intelligence community for
Speaker 2: having these sites mapped out play.
Speaker 3: It's a big win. But this would to me, this
Speaker 3: is a bit like saying.
Speaker 2: Somebody from within the intelligence community after the bin laden
Speaker 2: raid is raising concerns that there was really, you know,
Speaker 2: no document exploitation that came out of that raid, or
Speaker 2: maybe that we didn't even get bin laden.
Speaker 3: So why would you do that.
Speaker 2: You would only do that if you were trying to
Speaker 2: hurt Now, of course that didn't happen because somehow our
Speaker 2: team doesn't do those kinds of leaks. That's always a Democrat,
Speaker 2: left wing thing when there's a leak of classified to
Speaker 2: hurt a commander in chief.
Speaker 1: But that's what this was.
Speaker 2: It's very clear there's no way that this person could
Speaker 2: have had the level of visibility necessary to with a
Speaker 2: Remember it's a low confidence assessment.
Speaker 3: Clay I was.
Speaker 2: In the room many times with people from d IA, CIA, NSA,
Speaker 2: go down the list all of them, and there were
Speaker 2: squabbling over who's right about very important and we were
Speaker 2: at war, right, we were in the midst of a war,
Speaker 2: and you know things like, hey, could a surge in
Speaker 2: Baghdad work to stabilize things? Let me tell you something,
Speaker 2: a lot of fighting and dissenting voices over that. The
Speaker 2: notion that one person has the keys to the kingdom
Speaker 2: on the damage assessment is absurd. It's just a political hit,
Speaker 2: and that's why they should go after the leaker.
Speaker 1: All right, so let me play some of these cuts.
Speaker 1: This was from the Pentagon earlier today. Secretary of Defense
Speaker 1: Pete Hutt Hegseth. I do give a lot of credit.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this on the program. They made everybody
Speaker 1: get there early eight am Eastern time start for this
Speaker 1: to dominate the news cycle for the day. Here's hegseet
Speaker 1: blasting the press in particular for these leaks. This is
Speaker 1: cut too.
Speaker 4: Because you, and I mean specifically you, the press, specifically
Speaker 4: you the press corps, because you cheer against Trump so hard.
Speaker 4: It's like in your DNA and in your blood to
Speaker 4: cheer against Trump because you want him not to.
Speaker 1: Be successful so bad.
Speaker 4: You have to cheer against the efficacy of these strikes.
Speaker 4: You have to hope maybe they weren't effective, Maybe the
Speaker 4: way the Trump.
Speaker 1: Administration is representative isn't true. So let's take half truths.
Speaker 5: Spun information, leaked information, and then spin it, spin it
Speaker 5: in every way we can to try to cause doubt
Speaker 5: and manipulate the mind, the public mind over whether or
Speaker 5: not our brave pilots were successful.
Speaker 1: How many stories have.
Speaker 4: Been written about how hard it is to I don't
Speaker 4: know fly a plane for thirty six hours.
Speaker 1: Has MSNBC done.
Speaker 4: That story as Fox? Have we done the story how
Speaker 4: hard that is? Have we done it two or three
Speaker 4: times so that American people understand, How about how difficult
Speaker 4: it is to shoot a drone from an F fifteen
Speaker 4: or sixteen or F twenty two or F thirty five,
Speaker 4: or what it's like to man a Patriot battery, or
Speaker 4: how hard it is to refuel mid air. Giving the
Speaker 4: American people an understanding of how complex and sophisticated this
Speaker 4: mission really was. There are so many aspects of what
Speaker 4: our brave men and women did that because of the
Speaker 4: hatred of this press, corps are undermined because your people
Speaker 4: are trying to leak and spin that it wasn't successful.
Speaker 1: It's your responders. Okay, so that's one. Let's continue. This
Speaker 1: sounds a little bit like Fox and Friends or a
Speaker 1: hit that Pete Hegseth is doing on Fox News. And
Speaker 1: it's one reason I think that Trump wanted him in
Speaker 1: this position because he is a very talented communicator, and
Speaker 1: that matters in this world where you are really having
Speaker 1: to lace on the gloves and go head to head
Speaker 1: with the press every single day. Here's cut three more
Speaker 1: on Hegseth saying, the classified information, as you said, Buck,
Speaker 1: is leaked to try and harm Trump cut three time
Speaker 1: and time again.
Speaker 4: Classified information is leaked or pedled for political purposes, to
Speaker 4: try to make the president look bad. And what's really
Speaker 4: happening is you're undermining the success of incredible B two
Speaker 4: pilots and incredible F thirty five pilots, and incredible refuelers
Speaker 4: and incredible air defenders who accomplish their mission set back
Speaker 4: a nuclear program in ways that other presidents would have dreamed.
Speaker 1: How about we celebrate that.
Speaker 4: How about we talked about how special America is that
Speaker 4: we only we have these capabilities.
Speaker 1: I think it's too much to ask.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately for the fake news, so we're used.
Speaker 4: To that, but we also have an opportunity to stand
Speaker 4: at the podium and read the truth of what's really happening.
Speaker 1: And the reality is.
Speaker 4: You want to call it destroyed, you want to call
Speaker 4: it defeated, you want to call it obliterated.
Speaker 1: Choose your word.
Speaker 4: This was an historically successful attack and we should celebrate
Speaker 4: as Americans, and it gives us a chance to have peace,
Speaker 4: chance to have a deal, and an opportunity to prevent
Speaker 4: a nuclear Iran, which is something President Trump talked about
Speaker 4: for twenty years.
Speaker 1: I mean guns blazing here. I don't think we mentioned
Speaker 1: the New York Times getting upset about the fact that
Speaker 1: heg Seth praised our boys, and so he was actually asked,
Speaker 1: we have this cut. And I couldn't believe he was
Speaker 1: actually asked, why not acknowledge female pilots that participated instead
Speaker 1: of congratulating the boys?
Speaker 4: This is cut for why not acknowledge the female pilots
Speaker 4: that also participated in this mission. The early messages that
Speaker 4: you sent out only congratulated the boys. So when I
Speaker 4: say something like our boys and bombers, see, this is
Speaker 4: the kind of thing the press does.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Of course, the chairman mentioned a female bomber pilot. That's fantastic.
Speaker 4: She's fantastic, She's a hero. I want more female bomber pilots.
Speaker 4: I hope the men and women of our country sign
Speaker 4: up to do such brave and audacious things.
Speaker 1: But when you spin it as because I say our
Speaker 1: boys and.
Speaker 4: Bombers is a common phrase, I'll keep saying things like that,
Speaker 4: whether they're men or women. Very proud of that female pilot,
Speaker 4: just like I'm very proud of those male pilots, and
Speaker 4: I don't care if it's a male or a female
Speaker 4: in that cockpit, and the American people don't care. But
Speaker 4: it's the obsession with race and gender in this department
Speaker 4: that's changed priorities.
Speaker 1: And we don't do that anymore. We don't play your
Speaker 1: little games. I love this. I mean, I can't believe
Speaker 1: that's a real question he got to ask. But it's
Speaker 1: good that we see that.
Speaker 2: This is what the press still pretends is their job
Speaker 2: right is to push They're just asking questions. We'll get
Speaker 2: to Jake Tapper's latest on that. Really they're always pushing
Speaker 2: an agenda. No one thinks that Pete Hegseth was undermining
Speaker 2: any woman who This is a bit like saying, hey,
Speaker 2: when you when you were talking, you said, hey, you guys,
Speaker 2: great job. Why didn't you say you guys and girls?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's absurd, it's it's childish, it's it's focused
Speaker 2: on nothing. But I also think that what the shows
Speaker 2: you play is in these you know, the media, the
Speaker 2: non Fox media and the Democrat media, the non aligned
Speaker 2: leftist media. They have been making a lot of jokes
Speaker 2: about how Fox News essentially has staffed this Trump administration.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting is, yeah, guess what. Now You've got
Speaker 2: people who are both qualified to do the job, people
Speaker 2: like Dan Bongino and and Hegseeth and others who are
Speaker 2: also really good at media and comms themselves.
Speaker 3: Yes, and so if you think back to.
Speaker 2: Other times, we've had people who are running, you know,
Speaker 2: Department of Defense, We've had people who were in these
Speaker 2: kinds of cabinet level position, Secretary of Say, look look
Speaker 2: at Secretary of Say Rubio. I mean that guy might
Speaker 2: as well have been a Fox contributor for the last decade.
Speaker 2: He's been on Fox, you know, as much as anybody.
Speaker 2: They're good at this, and so the ability that the
Speaker 2: media has to attack them, trip them up, undermine them,
Speaker 2: and then focus on that instead of what's actually happening
Speaker 2: is vastly diminished. I mean it's almost non existent at
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being a Pentagon News reporter and we
Speaker 1: just had the strike that we did on Iran and
Speaker 1: you get a limited amount of time to ask questions
Speaker 1: and a limited amount of things that you can even
Speaker 1: ask about because they're only going to be whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Five six seven people called on that. That would be
Speaker 1: the thing that you went in as a Pentagon reporter
Speaker 1: to focus on was the fact that one female was
Speaker 1: there and said when the when he said the boys
Speaker 1: in the planes or whatever the heck used to be,
Speaker 1: that that would be your focus. It even is stunning
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Still this all makes sense, though, because their job. If
Speaker 2: you work for the Washington Post and you're in the
Speaker 2: Pentagon briefing room, or work for the New York Times
Speaker 2: and you're in the White House, the only way you're
Speaker 2: going to get any attention and that your readership, which
Speaker 2: is hyper partisan, is going to like your reporting is
Speaker 2: if you manage to attack successfully, get them to stumble,
Speaker 2: get to pull some sound bite.
Speaker 1: They don't actually care about the information.
Speaker 2: They don't They're not there to ask relevant, reasonable questions
Speaker 2: and get back objective data for the American people. They
Speaker 2: are there to be partisan attack dogs, and so if
Speaker 2: they don't do that, they're not actually serving the purposes
Speaker 2: of their paper.
Speaker 1: I get the part as an attack dog thing, but
Speaker 1: to think that your audience is obsessed because he used
Speaker 1: the word boys and did you see.
Speaker 3: Who asked that question? Did you see who asked that question?
Speaker 2: She's been wagging her finger at people for saying you
Speaker 2: guys for the last twenty years, I guarantee you.
Speaker 1: I just I can't believe that that is real. And
Speaker 1: by the way, the New York Times got savaged in
Speaker 1: their live chat because they had a male reporter who said,
Speaker 1: in real time, Hey, well, actually you know there was
Speaker 1: a girl. First of all, when the idea that boys
Speaker 1: and girls or guys or we all understand the concept,
Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine it comes from the boys in the
Speaker 1: bombers is also a phrase boys in the boat, which
Speaker 1: was one of the best selling books, A great book
Speaker 1: by the way, But is there are there any women
Speaker 1: that were actually offended by that? I just the fact
Speaker 1: that that would be a question that's asked of the
Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense in a limited public availability situation where
Speaker 1: he doesn't answer a lot of questions, is actually even
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Speaker 2: Mamadanni Mania sweeping the Democrats all across this land of ours,
Speaker 2: and uh, we all know from yesterday that this guy,
Speaker 2: Zoran Mamadani is the Democrat nominee for the mayor of
Speaker 2: New York City. Now that's not a done deal. There
Speaker 2: are some long bomb in the end zone hopes that
Speaker 2: maybe Eric Adams could pull this off, or maybe there's
Speaker 2: some Cuomo deal, although I think Cuomo now is just
Speaker 2: considered a loser right the comeback play, the comeback has
Speaker 2: not worked out the way that Cuomo wanted these. The
Speaker 2: spaghetti and meat balls was not as good as he
Speaker 2: was hoping for. It's because it was a.
Speaker 1: Total whiff by me, Buck, I mean, I really thought
Speaker 1: that they had rolled out the red carpet for him.
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to win the mayoral race
Speaker 1: and would then use it as the jumping off point
Speaker 1: to be a candidate in twenty twenty eight. Instead, I
Speaker 1: think his political career is over. I think I think
Speaker 1: he gave up the political ghosts, so to speak, in
Speaker 1: that loss and the way that he lost.
Speaker 3: So now here here's again, I have to I bring
Speaker 3: this to.
Speaker 2: Your attention because so go with New York City, so
Speaker 2: go with a lot of other Democrat cities. I think
Speaker 2: this is going to be viewed. So if you live
Speaker 2: in Texas and you're like, well, that's New York's problem. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know he's live in a city like Houston
Speaker 2: or Dallas, which is Democrat majority.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, this might affect you.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously, if you live in California, you're in
Speaker 2: a Democrat enclave statewide. You know, there's a lot of stuff,
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that that will filter out from this.
Speaker 2: And I think it's an interesting test case because you
Speaker 2: already have national level them. You had Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton,
Speaker 2: I don't even know he was on Twitter. He was like, hey, here,
Speaker 2: you're a socialist. You love those pretty ladies. I lock
Speaker 2: pretty ladies too. We should talk, you know. Bill Clinton
Speaker 2: all of a sudden giving his congratulations Komaney himself, just kidding.
Speaker 2: Komane didn't congratulate him, but it would have been funny
Speaker 2: if he had. Komatie did say that they've won the
Speaker 2: war though, that is I do have that one here.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that later.
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, congratulations to Zorn on your victory, wishing you success.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, nothing really interesting there. But Bill Clinton
Speaker 2: weighed in AOC and Bernie there's really there's really a
Speaker 2: decision that's being made with AOC within the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3: There's the AOC.
Speaker 2: Bernie pathway, and then there's the you know, somebody who's
Speaker 2: the Democrat in charge of Kentucky.
Speaker 3: What's that guy? I'm forgetting blanket. You know, there's like
Speaker 3: the Basheer.
Speaker 2: Or the governor of Maryland or the you know, there's
Speaker 2: that Like, I'm a Democrat, but I'm not like one
Speaker 2: of those crazy Democrats. They'll do whatever Chuck Schumer and
Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi tell them, but they pretend.
Speaker 3: Not to be right.
Speaker 2: Right now, you've just had a big win go up
Speaker 2: on the board for the crazy AOC wing of the
Speaker 2: Democrat Party. And I understand you might say, Buck, they'll
Speaker 2: never be able to win a national election. Kamala lost
Speaker 2: by in the.
Speaker 3: Electoral college, which is what matters.
Speaker 2: A couple of hundred thousand votes really right, meaning I
Speaker 2: understand she lost by a lot more she lost the
Speaker 2: popular vote. I'm not taking away from Trump's enormous victory.
Speaker 2: It was fantastic, but if you were able to shift
Speaker 2: a couple of hundred thousand votes in half a dozen states,
Speaker 2: really less than the half dozen states would have been president.
Speaker 2: So don't let's not get complacent about the fact that
Speaker 2: the worst presidential candidate in my lifetime is somebody who
Speaker 2: wasn't that far. It was not like a you know, Mondale,
Speaker 2: absolute thrashing. Okay, this was something that was closer than
Speaker 2: it should have been. Now let's just just because of why,
Speaker 2: I don't want you to think, oh, this is just
Speaker 2: New York City's problem. This is that's like saying Soros
Speaker 2: prosecutors were New York's problem. Oh wait, hold on a second.
Speaker 2: They were in every major city in the country for
Speaker 2: a while. There were Soros prosecutors in Saint Louis and
Speaker 2: and in Philly, and in la and the let you
Speaker 2: now you get it on the list right Chicago. Soros
Speaker 2: money all over the country. So you have to watch
Speaker 2: these trends. Clay, let's get into some of the crazy
Speaker 2: stuff here. Socialist democrat Zoran Mamdani. Something that he says
Speaker 2: he wants to do this is cut nine. This guy
Speaker 2: says he wants to eight hundred percent in tree hate
Speaker 2: crime prevention play this.
Speaker 6: I know that Jewish New Yorkers, like Jewish Americans, are
Speaker 6: fearful in this moment of antisemitism. And ultimately, it's through
Speaker 6: the conversations I've had with Jewish New Yorkers that I
Speaker 6: have developed a proposal for the Department of Community Safety
Speaker 6: that would include an eight hundred percent increase in funding
Speaker 6: for hate crime prevention programs. Because ultimately, we cannot simply
Speaker 6: say that anti Semitism has no home in this city
Speaker 6: or no place in this country. We have to do
Speaker 6: more than talk about it. We have to tackle it.
Speaker 6: And that's what we will do. Through this funding and
Speaker 6: through this commitment, we will root out bigotry across the
Speaker 6: five boroughs.
Speaker 3: Let me just throw this out there, Clay.
Speaker 2: This is going to absolutely not work at all to
Speaker 2: stop any bigotry, but it will be a way to
Speaker 2: fund left wing and doctrination programs in community centers, schools
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I think what you're saying is so
Speaker 1: important because a lot of people think, oh, New York City,
Speaker 1: that doesn't really impact to my life in a substantial way.
Speaker 1: I think who with the mayor of New York City
Speaker 1: is impacts all of our lives, even if you live
Speaker 1: in the smallest town in Alabama or the most remote
Speaker 1: part of Utah. The decisions made in New York City,
Speaker 1: given its primacy as the financial capital of the world,
Speaker 1: have a major residence, and the idea that New York
Speaker 1: City is going to potentially elect a guy like Mom
Speaker 1: Donnie should be a clarion call for sanity to ring forth.
Speaker 1: And I think maybe some of these parents that are
Speaker 1: subsidizing all their kids to live in New York City.
Speaker 1: Producer Ali made a good point yesterday, But I do
Speaker 1: think it's true that a lot of Mom Donnie's voters
Speaker 1: are young under thirties, who otherwise wouldn't be living in
Speaker 1: New York City but for the fact that their parents
Speaker 1: are helping to pay their rent and they have decided
Speaker 1: they like socialism. The parents like capital because that's how
Speaker 1: they can afford to take care of their kids. But
Speaker 1: I do think that there's a generational divide here, and
Speaker 1: I think as you break all of this down, Unfortunately, look,
Speaker 1: I don't know that the Democrat Party, this is a
Speaker 1: good question for you, buck is still in a powerful
Speaker 1: enough position that they would be able to knock out
Speaker 1: a Bernie Sanders candidacy now that they would be able
Speaker 1: to knock out an AOC candidacy. Now, I think the
Speaker 1: party is so fractured and so broken, and you might say, okay,
Speaker 1: well that's good. The problem is they could win. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a crazy idea that Bernie Sanders could
Speaker 1: if he weren't eighty three or eighty four or whatever
Speaker 1: the heck he is, that he could catch fire, someone
Speaker 1: like him could catch fire and end up as the president.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a crazy, ridiculous idea. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you something.
Speaker 2: I watched a lot of these Mom Donnie videos and
Speaker 2: the guy is the guy is very slick. He understands
Speaker 2: social media. He comes across as just objectively, he comes
Speaker 2: across as affable and pretty humble and a guy who
Speaker 2: just wants to talk to people. He did this whole
Speaker 2: video it's now gone pretty viral play where he goes
Speaker 2: around talking to like you know, if people call him
Speaker 2: like halal carts, like the meat, meat and rice carts
Speaker 2: that are in New York City, asking them like why
Speaker 2: is it so expensive? Like why is it ten or
Speaker 2: twelve dollars? Now for this wouldn't couldn't be less. And
Speaker 2: he has these guys he goes right in and they're saying, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's because of city permitting. The city permitting process is
Speaker 2: corrupt and takes too long and it's too expensive. And
Speaker 2: he goes, oh, we're going to fix that. You know,
Speaker 2: say what you will about the fact that he was,
Speaker 2: you know, freezing. There's a whole bill Ackman has a
Speaker 2: whole takedown to this guy. Freezing rent prices is just
Speaker 2: going to make the housing shortage worse course, because.
Speaker 3: It means that, you know, there are expenses that are already.
Speaker 2: Baked in and people have to build more, and they
Speaker 2: don't want to build more if they can't actually charge
Speaker 2: the market rate anyway. So here he's an economic illiterate,
Speaker 2: but he understands Mom, Donnie understands story, and he understands
Speaker 2: social media and how to connect with an audience. I
Speaker 2: you know, don't don't sleep on this guy. Everybody, you know,
Speaker 2: we have this thing, you know, and I know we've
Speaker 2: done this with AOC two. Oh you know she's this
Speaker 2: guy doesn't strike me as dumb. Wrong, yes, dumb. No,
Speaker 2: he doesn't strike me as dumb. And you know, horrible
Speaker 2: ideas certainly. But this is the other you know, the
Speaker 2: option that Democrats have is not is to say we're
Speaker 2: not going to go towards the center and try to
Speaker 2: reform our crazy.
Speaker 3: We're gonna double down on crazy. We're just gonna package
Speaker 3: it better.
Speaker 1: Oh I think AOC sees this and says I'm running
Speaker 1: for president now in twenty twenty eight. Absolutely, I've said
Speaker 1: that's all along.
Speaker 2: You asked me right after this election, who's going to
Speaker 2: be the leader Democrat Party as well? He AOC at
Speaker 2: one point, and then I've also mentioned Wes Moore, the
Speaker 2: governor of Maryland.
Speaker 3: But those are the pathways.
Speaker 2: There's the AOC hard left socialist, just say the stuff
Speaker 2: that you want to say as and then there's.
Speaker 3: The oh I'm not like them, I'm more normal.
Speaker 2: And then you get the AOC policies. But you get
Speaker 2: somebody who pretends to be something else during the election cycle.
Speaker 1: That's the way sure approach. The Democrat Party has the
Speaker 1: ability to slap down someone like Bernie Sanders if he
Speaker 1: were running today, which if I'm looking at AOC, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: mom Donnie just ran through. What did mom Donnie do? Well?
Speaker 1: He's pretty good on social media you may think, and
Speaker 1: I certainly think that AOC is economically illiterate and a moron.
Speaker 1: There's a huge audience for what she puts out on
Speaker 1: social media, and she's skilled at that. Now I don't
Speaker 1: I hope that her overall policies are so crazy and
Speaker 1: she would do such a poor job even of defending
Speaker 1: those policies that she not be capable of winning an election.
Speaker 1: But I think you're starting to see that the Democrat
Speaker 1: Party had two pathways. They could wake up and be
Speaker 1: somewhat more sane, or at least pretend to be more
Speaker 1: sane and take the more moderate path as they move
Speaker 1: towards twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight, or they
Speaker 1: could double triple and quadruple down on crazy. And it
Speaker 1: seems to me that the early returns, based on what
Speaker 1: we saw in New York City, are that they're going
Speaker 1: to double triple, quadruple down on crazy. And you know,
Speaker 1: now we're in a situation where Eric Adams is the
Speaker 1: savior of New York City, and that's only if they
Speaker 1: can get Cuomo to officially drop out, if they can
Speaker 1: find a way to kind of corral this strange coalition
Speaker 1: that potentially he would be able to bring to bear,
Speaker 1: and that would require black voters interestingly deciding that they
Speaker 1: had to show up in a monster number for Eric
Speaker 1: Adams in order to offset a lot of these young
Speaker 1: white voters that have fallen in love with socialism.
Speaker 2: So you've got Mamdannie talking about the eight hundred percent
Speaker 2: increase in the anti bigotry forces, not police, like, I
Speaker 2: don't know what they're going to be bigotry prevention programs. Also,
Speaker 2: as we know in New York, talking about if you're
Speaker 2: talking about anti Semitic or anti Asian bigotry, yeah, probably
Speaker 2: not gonna if you're a leftist, you're not going to
Speaker 2: like the demographics that are disproportionately targeting those groups. This
Speaker 2: is just a matter of fact, a matter of numbers
Speaker 2: and data. But put that aside for a moment. Here
Speaker 2: is really at the heart of it, Mamdani saying that
Speaker 2: our criminal justice system, this is cut eight, is just
Speaker 2: straight up racist.
Speaker 7: The alternatives are things that we must look to immediately,
Speaker 7: both with regards to you neighborhood groups who do anti
Speaker 7: violence work and are shown to be more effective than
Speaker 7: the police, but also asking you know, if we have
Speaker 7: an understanding that our criminal justice system is racist, which
Speaker 7: is a quite a general understanding now it seems to
Speaker 7: be shared by many, many people. And how can we
Speaker 7: simultaneously be investing in it as the way we both
Speaker 7: judge and determine the futures of so many people in
Speaker 7: our state.
Speaker 2: Now that was twenty twenty, granted, but the criminal justice
Speaker 2: system in this country is actually not racist.
Speaker 1: It is not racist.
Speaker 2: I know that this is something Democrats love to say.
Speaker 2: But the laws are the laws, and we.
Speaker 1: Have talked about this before, and to me, the way
Speaker 1: that this gets destroyed is if you just push back
Speaker 1: anybody who says this, just nod and say super sexist too.
Speaker 1: Why are men charged with crime?
Speaker 3: Men do really unfair those murdered laws. Men do all
Speaker 3: the murders.
Speaker 2: This is my favorite argument, Clay. We've been making it
Speaker 2: here for a long time because they don't know what
Speaker 2: to say, because they have to admit, Yeah, men commit
Speaker 2: more murders. We just threw sorry, guys, we're the ones
Speaker 2: who kill people. Does that mean we should change the
Speaker 2: murder laws? Does that mean that murder laws are sexist?
Speaker 1: It does not.
Speaker 3: It's pretty strong argument.
Speaker 1: It's a good one to use on your kids or
Speaker 1: grandkids if they bring that home with you sometime instead
Speaker 1: of immediately combating them there say, you know what, I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about this a lot. Why are men in
Speaker 1: prison at such higher rates than women? I think maybe
Speaker 1: we need to go back and look at all of
Speaker 1: our laws. They're very sexist, and see how your kids respond.
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Speaker 1: friend Caroline Levitt taking questions right now on the intel
Speaker 1: leaks surrounding the Iran operation. We have been talking about
Speaker 1: the big decision that New York City is going to have.
Speaker 1: What do you think Cuomo does? I was totally wrong.
Speaker 1: I thought I did think he would run for mayor.
Speaker 1: I look like a genius. Told I can put this
Speaker 1: one in the forget file. Clay, Okay, you've made some great.
Speaker 2: Calls, this one. This one didn't quite work out as
Speaker 2: we thought, but it's okay.
Speaker 1: What's the best Let's pretend that you were giving advice
Speaker 1: to Andrew Cuomo. Is it to now get behind mom
Speaker 1: Donnie and just kind of step off to the side,
Speaker 1: or is it to try to run as an independent
Speaker 1: and maybe have a secret deal behind the scenes. Because
Speaker 1: if he runs as an independent and Eric Adams runs,
Speaker 1: then Mom Donnie's definitely gonna win because they will split
Speaker 1: the Mom Donnie opposition vote.
Speaker 2: I think he's a two time loser, and that means
Speaker 2: the best thing that he can do is to get
Speaker 2: an agent and find his way onto an episode of
Speaker 2: Law and Order where he plays a probably elderly mobster
Speaker 2: or something along those lines, maybe a corrupt politician. I
Speaker 2: do not think that he has a future in New
Speaker 2: York politics anymore after this. I don't see it, because
Speaker 2: you know, you can't win the no, He'll just be
Speaker 2: playing spoiler at that point. If I'm a New Yorker
Speaker 2: and I'm New York adjacent in my heart, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: if I'm a New Yorker still though voting. You know,
Speaker 2: I talk to my family about this all the time,
Speaker 2: and I want what's best for New York. Not just
Speaker 2: for all of our fantastic wo R listeners and podcast
Speaker 2: listeners in the New York area. We want the best
Speaker 2: for all of you, but also my own family is there.
Speaker 2: So when when we talk about safe streets in New York,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about my mom, my dad, my sister, and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about people who I love and mean a
Speaker 2: lot to me. So that means that I want what's best.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: In what way is Andrew Cuomo an improvement over Eric Adams?
Speaker 2: I have to say I don't think he is. And
Speaker 2: so that's where the problem. You've got a guy who's
Speaker 2: already mayor, already in the job. Not horrible, Okay, he's
Speaker 2: not good, you know, I think Eric Adams And let
Speaker 2: me know w O R listeners if you want, if
Speaker 2: you think this is a fair grade. I think he's
Speaker 2: a you know, if the Blasio was an F, I
Speaker 2: think Mayor Eric Adams is probably a C minus maybe
Speaker 2: a C. You know, I think that's that's a fair
Speaker 2: you know, he's not intentionally maliciously destroying New York.
Speaker 1: He's just not a very good manager. Uh.
Speaker 3: He was good on the issue. Let's take a few things.
Speaker 2: He tried to help on the crime issue. Brought in
Speaker 2: somebody good here with Jesse Tish to run the NYPED
Speaker 2: as commissioner. He spoke out in a way that I
Speaker 2: think was really important for the Trump campaign. Actually he
Speaker 2: didn't speak on behalf of them, but when he said
Speaker 2: guys were flooded with all these migrants, this is crazy.
Speaker 2: He was honest about that. And said he didn't want anymore.
Speaker 2: So he did do some things that are there's nothing
Speaker 2: I can do. Blasio did nothing that is good. Everything
Speaker 2: to Blasio did was in my in my mind, every
Speaker 2: decision he made was against the interest of New Yorkers.
Speaker 2: And we can just forget about him. But you know,
Speaker 2: didn't he run for president? By the way, didn't he
Speaker 2: run for president?
Speaker 1: For a second?
Speaker 2: I think he did, wasn't he One of those guys
Speaker 2: was like, I'm also on this stage.
Speaker 1: Everyone was like, get out of here.
Speaker 2: So Clay, I think that Eric Adams is the non
Speaker 2: mom downy hope of New York now.
Speaker 1: And is that enough?
Speaker 2: And people who are gonna tell me, Buck, you can
Speaker 2: get behind Curtis Sliewell, you can get behind Curtis Sliewill.
Speaker 1: Obviously I agree with Curtis. I like Curtis.
Speaker 2: We've had him on the show several times. You've had
Speaker 2: him on the show. You know he's it's an eighty
Speaker 2: twenty democrat city guys, It's just not gonna happen. It's
Speaker 2: just not gonna happen. I wish you know that that
Speaker 2: wasn't the case. But you just had the most radical
Speaker 2: leftist win the Democrat primary. You're not about to win
Speaker 2: over a lot of Democrats to be a Republican. That's
Speaker 2: not gonna happen to vote for a Republican.
Speaker 1: A part of me wonders whether there might be such
Speaker 1: a panic setting in among the Wall Street universe that
Speaker 1: somebody with hundreds of millions of dollars a lah of Bloomberg.
Speaker 2: Well Ackman is by saying he's gonna spend huge money
Speaker 2: Bill Ackman, who's kind of happy.
Speaker 1: To get him. We need to get him on the
Speaker 1: show because I think that would be an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1: But he has been tweeting that there are people out
Speaker 1: there that he thinks he could help to persuade. The
Speaker 1: challenge is, whoever is opposed to Mom Donnie, everybody else
Speaker 1: has to drop out, and there has to be one
Speaker 1: focal point of, Hey, this is the guy or the gal,
Speaker 1: as the case may be, who is going to go
Speaker 1: head to head against Mom Donnie, and everybody has to
Speaker 1: get behind this person. My concern is, I think Cuomo's
Speaker 1: ego is involved here. Now, Eric Adams, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any way he's going to drop out, And then
Speaker 1: Curtis Sliwa, you start getting all these different groups, and
Speaker 1: it's hard to get to fifty percent plus one when
Speaker 1: you've got bes many different splintered individuals running. De Blasio's
Speaker 1: presidential campaign, by the way, good research by Ali. He
Speaker 1: ran from May sixteenth, twenty nineteen to September twentyth, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: spent one point four million dollars, and everybody just kind
Speaker 1: of laughed him out of the arena, because even New
Speaker 1: Yorkers were like, this is one of the craziest things
Speaker 1: we've ever seen that a guy who's this didn't the
Speaker 1: guy this unpopular would decide to run? Did it? Build?
Speaker 1: The Blasio make news most recently Buck, because he and
Speaker 1: his wife announced that they were going to basically have
Speaker 1: an open marriage. Am I wrong about this?
Speaker 2: I think I know this and tried to forget it
Speaker 2: because I don't really need to know this stuff. But
Speaker 2: I believe there's something like that that has occurred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they made a public statement that they were staying married,
Speaker 1: but they were going to be with other people. I mean,
Speaker 1: what a ridiculous guy that dude was the fact that
Speaker 1: he could get elected actually makes me terrified because Mom, Donnie,
Speaker 1: to your point, Buck is actually a super articulate smart,
Speaker 1: charismatic guy who's just wrong about everything, but he's not
Speaker 1: an unlikable person, if that makes sense. He's wrong about everything,
Speaker 1: but not unlikable, and also smart and savvy when it
Speaker 1: comes to trying to understand how to make arguments on
Speaker 1: social media. Yes, I think that he's more formidable than
Speaker 1: a lot of people looking from the outside are are
Speaker 1: assessing right now.
Speaker 3: And that's something to keep in mind as we go forward.
Speaker 2: So look, I'm totally I hope I'm wrong on this one,
Speaker 2: and I hope that this is something that you know
Speaker 2: that does not come to pass. But here is, let
Speaker 2: me see, We've got Tom Homan laying down the law. Here.
Speaker 2: You know, there's this whole separation of powers thing, and
Speaker 2: here is Tom Holman saying, look, you can't kick ice
Speaker 2: out of New York, buddy. It's called federal law play sixteen.
Speaker 8: He's vowed to kick the quote fascist ice out of
Speaker 8: New York City. Okay, So how do you intend to
Speaker 8: deal with that? Because I would guess there's gonna be
Speaker 8: a lot of criminals and Iranian seals and whatnot in
Speaker 8: New York City.
Speaker 1: The job's not done there. What do you say to
Speaker 1: this guy.
Speaker 9: Good luck for that douggle law trumps him every every
Speaker 9: every every day, every hour, every minute. We're gonna be
Speaker 9: in New York City. Matter of fact, because there's a
Speaker 9: sanctuary city. President Trump made a clear week and a
Speaker 9: half ago, we're going we're going double Downald triuple down
Speaker 9: on sanctuary cities.
Speaker 3: If we can't arrest the bad guy and accounted.
Speaker 9: You know, one agent rest and one bad guy, they
Speaker 9: released him in the streets like New York does every day.
Speaker 9: We got to send whole team to look at this
Speaker 9: this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be a showdown that I don't think
Speaker 2: it's gonna go well for Mam Donnie. By the way,
Speaker 2: I don't think that he wants to be on the
Speaker 2: other side of Tom Homan on the immigration issue because,
Speaker 2: first of all, legally Holman's right, and second of all,
Speaker 2: if there's anything that looks like a showdown, this Mam
Speaker 2: Donnie guy is gonna shrink away from that fight very quickly.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure anybody in the entire Trump team is
Speaker 1: working harder right now than Tom Holman is. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look at.
Speaker 2: That Pean Miller, I mean when we saw him, Steven
Speaker 2: Miller looks like he looks like he lives on a
Speaker 2: cot on.
Speaker 3: The White House floor right now. I mean he's going
Speaker 3: through a lot.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of guys who are working unbelievable
Speaker 1: hours because they see this as the eighteen months when
Speaker 1: Trump is able to be his most effective and efficient
Speaker 1: version of himself. But the amount of media that is
Speaker 1: out there that Tom Holman is doing on a day
Speaker 1: to day basis and the amount of success that he
Speaker 1: is having is frankly unparalleled. And I know we talk
Speaker 1: about this on this program and try to make sure
Speaker 1: that we reference it often. I'm not sure in our
Speaker 1: lives that there has ever been anything that government has
Speaker 1: fixed faster and more effectively than the border under Trump
Speaker 1: when you consider historic failure under Biden. And it was
Speaker 1: as if a light switch just got flipped or got
Speaker 1: off whichever direction you want to go, and overnight everything
Speaker 1: changed and it became flawless. And you know that's the
Speaker 1: case because it suddenly isn't talked about anywhere, But my goodness,
Speaker 1: this is the number one thing Trump said he would fix,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to give him any credit for it.
Speaker 1: But Tom Holman and the team and Steven Miller is
Speaker 1: a part of this too. They've just been unbelievable on
Speaker 1: this front.
Speaker 2: Also, want to bring this to your attention again because
Speaker 2: I know, you know, we talk about this and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're so new York focused and bucks from New York.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's why a lot of people are focused
Speaker 2: in on this all over the country right now, because
Speaker 2: it's a playbook that I think you're going to see
Speaker 2: replicated elsewhere, and you could even see replicated in the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight election cycle, which I know feels like
Speaker 2: an eternity.
Speaker 3: Away, but it's not. I'll be here before you know it.
Speaker 2: And socialist Mamdanni Kami Mamdani this is cut ten is saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: what I did, this should be the playbook. This absolutely
Speaker 2: will work in other cities in other states across America.
Speaker 1: Play it. You're a proud Democratic socialist.
Speaker 5: Do you think that is a platform that would work
Speaker 5: for other candidates running in other parts of the country.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: I think ultimately this is a campaign about inequality, and
Speaker 6: you don't have to live in the most expensive city
Speaker 6: in the country to have experienced that inequality. Because it's
Speaker 6: a national issue and what Americans coast to coast are
Speaker 6: looking for are people who will fight for them. And
Speaker 6: part of how we got to this point was through
Speaker 6: the endorsements of Congressman Alexandria Ocasio Cortes and Senator Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 6: who've been leading this fight against oligarchy across the country.
Speaker 6: And I think that in focusing on working people and
Speaker 6: their struggles, we also return back to what makes so
Speaker 6: many of us proud to be Democrats in the first place.
Speaker 2: Not shine away from it at all, Clay, I think
Speaker 2: you will see more people try to play this. Remember
Speaker 2: the whole thing about socialism is that all you have
Speaker 2: to do you find as many people as possible who
Speaker 2: are unhappy with some aspect of their day to day life,
Speaker 2: and you tell them it's not your fault. There's nothing
Speaker 2: that you can do to change this. Other people are
Speaker 2: the reason for this. I'm going to hurt those other people,
Speaker 2: usually financially, sometimes more than that, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: hurt those other people and take their stuff and give
Speaker 2: it to you and make your problems go away. It's
Speaker 2: very appealing. It works for a reason, and so we
Speaker 2: have not seen the end of this. You know, on
Speaker 2: the right, we yell socialism and act like it's some
Speaker 2: kind of argument ender a lot of people, a lot
Speaker 2: of you, especially gen X and gen Z. They love
Speaker 2: their socialism. They don't know what it is, but sounds
Speaker 2: good to them.
Speaker 1: The biggest flaw of capitalism is it provides the wealth
Speaker 1: and luxury to think you don't need capitalism anymore. It's
Speaker 1: just the lesson out there is you have to have
Speaker 1: the freedom and the time and the wealth in order
Speaker 1: to make these arguments. And I look at those Mom
Speaker 1: Donnie celebration partners. Those aren't poor kids celebrating Mom Donnie winning,
Speaker 1: not people struggling to put food in their mouths. I
Speaker 1: know who they are. I know who they are.
Speaker 2: I used to socialize in New York with a lot
Speaker 2: of people that would fall into the Mamdani category. M clay,
Speaker 2: you know I often mentioned Naval Ravakan. Did you see this?
Speaker 2: I just thought this was a perfect one liner on
Speaker 2: this whole situation. He wrote, socialism is the suicide pact
Speaker 2: of mediocrity. It is absolutely true, and that really gets
Speaker 2: the psychology of it. If there are people that have
Speaker 2: more than me, people work you know that are doing
Speaker 2: more than me, people that are happier and enjoying more
Speaker 2: than me.
Speaker 3: I want a.
Speaker 2: System of power that will pull them down and promises.
Speaker 1: To pull me up.
Speaker 2: And even if it doesn't pull me up, as long
Speaker 2: as it pulls them down, I'll be happy.
Speaker 1: This is why I thought sports was such an important battleground,
Speaker 1: because sports is the ultimate meritocracy. Best man or best
Speaker 1: woman wins, and as soon as they can start to
Speaker 1: create the idea that there's something wrong with that, or
Speaker 1: that a boy can be a girl's champ and all
Speaker 1: this other stuff, they destroy the underbelly of much of
Speaker 1: success in the meritocracy in the country, which is embedded
Speaker 1: in sports. You know, I made this argument something fun
Speaker 1: for you guys to think about. Is there anything more
Speaker 1: trusted in America today than the scoreboard? Think about that
Speaker 1: for a minute, and where everybody sits around and argues
Speaker 1: about everything the scoreboard in a game, if it's a
Speaker 1: little bit off, everybody's standing up like that, Hey that
Speaker 1: bucket was just made. Now. You may be upset with
Speaker 1: officials every now and then, but I would argue that
Speaker 1: the scoreboard might be the most trusted symbol in America today,
Speaker 1: that we trust it to be able to tell us
Speaker 1: who's winning and who's losing, and at the end, of
Speaker 1: a game, everybody says, you know what that team won
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Speaker 1: that I want to play for you because I think
Speaker 1: they kind of get at the failures that CNN in
Speaker 1: general has been having. First of all, every evening they
Speaker 1: just have sort of the Star Wars universe of crazy
Speaker 1: left wing peddler arguments. And Jamal Bowman, who lost his
Speaker 1: Democrat primary and no longer has a job, was on
Speaker 1: he is the guy who pulled the fire alarm and
Speaker 1: was defeated in the New York City area district which
Speaker 1: he was representing. Here he is saying, and I want
Speaker 1: to get Buck's reaction to this, that he was confronted
Speaker 1: on the street and heckled, and this is what he
Speaker 1: has to deal with on a regular basis. Listen, I
Speaker 1: don't want to fight. I just want to chill. I
Speaker 1: just want to know. I was in I was walking
Speaker 1: down the street the other day.
Speaker 7: Some white dude, ballhead, he looked me, called me a
Speaker 7: piece of in my face, said I'm gonna get what's
Speaker 7: coming to me. Why not deal with that dog in
Speaker 7: Yaker's New York can tell you I'm not making that up.
Speaker 1: Do you buy it? Buck? Do you think Jamal Bowman?
Speaker 3: I think he's making it up. Yes, I think he's
Speaker 3: making it up.
Speaker 2: Jamal Bowman, I've seen bench three plates on each side.
Speaker 1: He's a big dude. H Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean so, I just I don't buy this story.
Speaker 2: And it's one of these things you can never prove
Speaker 2: or disprove.
Speaker 1: But I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that somebody went up to him in Yonkers.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm just glad he didn't say that.
Speaker 2: You know, the guy yelled like this is a maga
Speaker 2: country or whatever like this just sounds fake to me.
Speaker 1: I just don't buy very often big dudes being confronted
Speaker 1: by probably small and if the guy who confronted Jamal
Speaker 1: Bowman would have to be a heavyweight boxer or an
Speaker 1: NFL defensive lineman to be appreciably bigger than Jamal Momen.
Speaker 1: First of all, I don't think most people know who
Speaker 1: Jamal Bowman is, and I don't mean that to be
Speaker 1: to insult him. I just I don't think most people
Speaker 1: in New York City have any idea who he is.
Speaker 1: So the percentage of people that would hate him enough
Speaker 1: to taunt him face to face and know him is
Speaker 1: what like one of New York.
Speaker 2: Also, the way he tells the story, did he did
Speaker 2: he do something like rude to somebody and then they
Speaker 2: responded because they're supposed to think? I guess that someone
Speaker 2: came after him because he's Jamal Bowman. I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe he was. Maybe he was having a loud speakerphone
Speaker 2: conversation or doing something that sets people off that made
Speaker 2: you know, I gave somebody on my plane ride over
Speaker 2: to France Clay an extra set of headphones. Oh no,
Speaker 2: Because I turned around, I said, I have a spare.
Speaker 2: I have a spare.
Speaker 1: He was wise. It was a guy.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say.
Speaker 2: It's a white guy in his fifties, okay, very well dressed,
Speaker 2: like very you know, uh hoity toity at like Louis Vuitton,
Speaker 2: baggage and uh. And he thought he could watch his
Speaker 2: iPad like he's a little kid with no headphones on.
Speaker 2: So I actually had a spare, had the wired set
Speaker 2: in my bag, and I said, here you go, here's
Speaker 2: a wired set of headphones. And he kind of stared
Speaker 2: me down for a second and realized, like, so, now,
Speaker 2: what's your excuse?
Speaker 3: So he put them on. Now I have to watch
Speaker 3: them though.
Speaker 1: That is really really so he gave him back to
Speaker 1: you at the end of the day. He did trip.
Speaker 3: He rolled them up, rolled them up nicely, and gave
Speaker 3: them back to me at the end. So now this
Speaker 3: is my new move.
Speaker 2: I'm going to carry an extra set of headphones in
Speaker 2: public places and offer headphones to people who are on
Speaker 2: the side of barbarism and think that we want to
Speaker 2: hear your cell phone conversation or your iPad noises or
Speaker 2: whatever it is.
Speaker 1: This is funny because on my flight up to Michigan
Speaker 1: with the Travis Boys, my oldest son wanted to watch
Speaker 1: Trump's address about the bombing of Iran, did not have
Speaker 1: wireless phones or his or a plug to put in,
Speaker 1: and my wife, who was in the row in front
Speaker 1: of us, turned around and complained about our oldest son
Speaker 1: making too much noise while he was watching Trump's address.
Speaker 1: So she would have certainly appreciated if you had had
Speaker 1: an extra pair of headphones for my son. All right,
Speaker 1: that Jamal Bowman claiming that he's this also always reminds
Speaker 1: me what there are people who behave awfully towards famous people.
Speaker 1: But the idea that the Jsse Smallett this is Maga country.
Speaker 1: The number of Trump voters who knew who use Smallett
Speaker 1: is or was in that era was zero. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was nobody watching what was the show Empire. The
Speaker 1: number of Trump voters watching Empire frequently enough that they
Speaker 1: knew who Jusse Smallett was that they would feel compelled
Speaker 1: to not only know who he was, but know his
Speaker 1: politics and taunt him in Chicago at two am. So
Speaker 1: one of the craziest stories.
Speaker 2: On a freezing called winter night, to lie in wait
Speaker 2: with the deuse, Yes, and some kind of thing to
Speaker 2: spray on him because you're that angry about Jesse Smollette,
Speaker 2: who nobody who voted for Trump had any idea whom
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that would be. That was a strange one,
Speaker 3: and you would.
Speaker 1: Think that the media might have actually questioned some of that,
Speaker 1: particularly because our good friend Jake Tapper wants all of
Speaker 1: you to know what the role of the media really is.
Speaker 1: So you got to see an in jabal bowman saying
Speaker 1: he's getting taunted because of who he is. Here is
Speaker 1: Jake Tapper lecturing everyone about what it is. The job
Speaker 1: of the media really is, asking questions.
Speaker 2: Is literally our job, demanding facts and answers instead of
Speaker 2: just taking a president's word for it. No, that's actually
Speaker 2: that is That's actually not their job, though. Is This
Speaker 2: is where I have a really I have a big
Speaker 2: bone to pick with all these people who call themselves journalists.
Speaker 2: We have seen what their job is, depending on where
Speaker 2: they work. The job of a CNN employee is to
Speaker 2: tell Democrats in the audience what they want to hear
Speaker 2: and to hurt Republicans in terms of public perception in
Speaker 2: every way that they can. That is the job. That's
Speaker 2: actually the job. If you don't do that, you will
Speaker 2: be fired. So that what the job is this, it's
Speaker 2: to ask questions and get the truth to the people.
Speaker 3: That is a lie that is meant.
Speaker 2: To cover for the actual job, which is to tell
Speaker 2: Democrats what they want to hear and attack Republicans in every.
Speaker 1: Way you can. What do you think. Let's pretend that
Speaker 1: suddenly you or I were in charge of CNN and
Speaker 1: they said, hey, we've been listening to your radio show.
Speaker 1: It's phenomenal.
Speaker 2: They should do it as we would shake that place up.
Speaker 2: It'd be amazing. Okay, so is it salvageable? Like, let
Speaker 2: me just give you a hypothetical.
Speaker 1: If Meghan Kelly, who obviously had a very successful show on.
Speaker 2: Fox News, look at you, look at you always given Mammy.
Speaker 2: Look Meghan's great. She was always great to me in
Speaker 2: my career at everything else. But she's always number one
Speaker 2: on your list for who's gonna I think.
Speaker 1: She's the smartest, most talented person in digital space that
Speaker 1: I don't work with. Does that make sense? So? Wow?
Speaker 3: Who would you put top of this and send this
Speaker 3: to Meghan.
Speaker 1: Well, I think she is. I think she asks really
Speaker 1: smart questions. I think she gets to the heart of
Speaker 1: issues if I were running so But the question here is,
Speaker 1: let's pretend that I am running CNN and I say, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to change. We kind of get away from
Speaker 1: the Jake Tapper world. We can't have this stenographer for
Speaker 1: the Democrat powerful anymore. We're going to shake things up.
Speaker 1: Could Megan Kelly, who I think I'm just telling you,
Speaker 1: I think is the most talented independent voice in media today?
Speaker 2: All right, all right, I mean I think Megan's great too,
Speaker 2: But yes, okay, could she be alone?
Speaker 1: Would she be able to produce an audience? Or CNN's
Speaker 1: brand so broken that even if you put somebody who's
Speaker 1: good at television and good at doing a show, people
Speaker 1: wouldn't respond to it because their brand is broken. In
Speaker 1: other words, how salvageable do you think it is? Right?
Speaker 2: You would have to accept that during the change process
Speaker 2: from being a Democrat propaganda outlet, you would lose a
Speaker 2: lot of audience and then have to rebuild audience. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the audience of CNN right now does not want anything
Speaker 2: to be told to them that is outside of what
Speaker 2: the DNC would approve and send themselves. They don't want
Speaker 2: to hear it, and so you would have to accept
Speaker 2: that there'd be that painful ratings transition period and then
Speaker 2: I think you could build into something else. But that's
Speaker 2: you know, that's a risk that executives at these places
Speaker 2: are very rarely willing to take any risks.
Speaker 3: I think CNN's brand is in terminal decline.
Speaker 2: I think CNN will exist in kind of the way
Speaker 2: that ABC News in some of these places. Yeah, sure
Speaker 2: they'll have some audience, but a shadow of their former.
Speaker 2: Now ABC News still has a pretty big TV audience,
Speaker 2: but it's a shadow of what it was twenty or
Speaker 2: thirty or thirty years ago. So I think that that's
Speaker 2: where I don't think CNN is going to be able
Speaker 2: to turn this thing around.
Speaker 1: I know, to look at it, surely from a business
Speaker 1: market perspective. If Fox News has around seventy percent of
Speaker 1: the news audience on cable, and it does, and it's
Speaker 1: got an incredibly loyal brand, what is CNN's angle Because
Speaker 1: that leaves thirty percent. MSNBC, whatever you think about them,
Speaker 1: has the left wing angle covered. Why would you not
Speaker 1: go after some of the seventy. This is why.
Speaker 2: And I was there and observe this when it happens. CNN,
Speaker 2: under Jeff Zucker's leadership, if you can call it, that
Speaker 2: ignominiously ended in scandal. CNN decided to become MSNBC with
Speaker 2: different letters, anti trump Ism, completely crazy, treat all the
Speaker 2: actual conservatives who would have come on your air like trash.
Speaker 3: This is what they did. And so that space that
Speaker 3: they were at least.
Speaker 2: Theoretically occupying of somewhere in betwe between Fox and MSNBC,
Speaker 2: that just became untenable. They were just another version there
Speaker 2: were MSNBC with less honesty, and that is not a
Speaker 2: tenable brand. That that's not a place where you can
Speaker 2: really be.
Speaker 1: And so that's what ended up happening to them. But
Speaker 1: I'm happy.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you had told me, if you had
Speaker 2: told me when the tea Party was getting their thing going,
Speaker 2: don't worry one day. Not only will Trump call CNN
Speaker 2: fake news to their faces, but he'll essentially destroy the
Speaker 2: death star of propaganda that is CNN.
Speaker 1: I would have said that sounds amazing, And we're pretty
Speaker 1: much there, oh, totally. And again they only have about
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen percent of the overall news marketplace, and
Speaker 1: you know what it really comes through. It used to
Speaker 1: be when big news happened, people would turn on CNN
Speaker 1: because they trusted them to get big news. I still
Speaker 1: think about CNN back in the day a Bernard Shaw
Speaker 1: and the scud stud whatever that guy's name was, during
Speaker 1: the First Gulf War, when that really made CNN's brand
Speaker 1: as somebody that could you could trust. Now they don't
Speaker 1: even get turned on when big news happens. Fox News
Speaker 1: I think had four point nine million viewers when they
Speaker 1: Iran attacks happened. Nobody else was even close to them.
Speaker 1: And it just feels like CNN is in a terminal decline.
Speaker 1: And I wonder at this point if there's anything they
Speaker 1: could do to change the trajectory that they're on. And
Speaker 1: I don't know that they could, but I would be
Speaker 1: trying to undertake radical change I think if I were
Speaker 1: in charge of CNN. Yeah, I mean it would have
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're doing a you're doing some housing
Speaker 2: construction stuff, but when you're doing a renovation and people
Speaker 2: say I'm going to tear it down to the studs,
Speaker 2: CNN really needs to be torn down to the studs.
Speaker 2: You need to get all the way, you know, get
Speaker 2: all the way into the dry wall and really pull
Speaker 2: things apart in there to rebuild.
Speaker 1: You can't just do a little code of paint and
Speaker 1: call it a day. That's totally what's, by the way,
Speaker 1: happening with the intelligence agencies right now too. We'll see
Speaker 1: how that's going. We are.
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