1 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: A five year old little boy seemingly drops off the 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: face of the earth wearing nothing but boxer shorts and 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: a blue Minecraft T shirt. In the last days, is 4 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: there a break in the case of missing taught Michael Vaughan. 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation in Sirius XM 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to our 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: friends at KATVB. We are in the fifth day of 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: law enforcement in search and rescue crews excavating the backyard 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: of that house behind me, the address eleven O two 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Red Wing Street in the town of Fruitland, just four 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: minutes away from the Vaughan family home. Today, however, was 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: much calmer than it's been. We've had heavy machinery here 14 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: the last few days. Today mostly people here with shovels, 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: and already it's four pm and crews are done. Chief 16 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: Huff though, saying they could be out here for another 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: week as they continue to process that backyard. They're not 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: done yet. They're taking the dirt from that backyard and 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: they're bringing it to a location offsite and they're analyzing 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: that dirt. Okay, that's never a good sign. When the 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: people are searching for your child and they bring in 22 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: an excavation crew. Now you may ask, why are they 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: taking soil samples from the backyard, taking it away from 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: this home several homes down from Michael Vaughan's family home. 25 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Why are they taking dirt to the crime weab We've 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: got an all star panel to make sense of what 27 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: we know right now in the recent development in the 28 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: case of missing taught Michael Vaughan. But first let me 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: go to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University 30 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Starving 31 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: you Hit series Bodybags with Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: please explain regular people taught Joe Scott why they are 33 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 1: taking soil samples. And I want you to harken back 34 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: to the case of Kristen's Smart. Remember remember the killer's 35 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: backyard had a deck and cops went under the deck 36 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: with ground penetrating sonar and found a disturbance of the 37 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: dirt and they went in and actually took soil samples. 38 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: So this is similar to the Christen's Smart case in 39 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: that respect. Explain, Yeah, it is in the sense that 40 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: you're looking for elements that would be connected to human 41 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: remains and human decomposition. Excuse me, are you trying to 42 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: say they're looking for blood in the dirt. Well, no, 43 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: it's not just blood. You're not just looking you're looking 44 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: for any kind of biological sample that monument decomposition, anything 45 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: we'll later decomposition. Certainly blood is part of that, you know, 46 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: as part of that. But you have to consider all 47 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: elements and the fact the fact that they've brought in 48 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: an excavator. This is not delicate work like Kristen Smart. 49 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: They're taking huge, huge samples of earth and they're going 50 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: to sift through every bit of that, but they're having 51 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: to be very very careful. Nancy, let's talk about ground 52 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: penetrating radar. UM. I guess Robert Crispin joining me, private investigator, 53 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: former Federal Task Force officer, US Partment in Justice d 54 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: e A. It goes on and on and on. You 55 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: can find them at crispins Special Investigations dot com. That's 56 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: Crispin Investigations dot com. Robert Um, you and I have 57 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: both worked with ground penetrating sonar. It's just like sonar 58 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: on a fishing boat, right because the sonar on a 59 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: fishing boat, you can actually look kind of looks like 60 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: a sonogram. Get it sonar sonogram ec black a black 61 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: area and then you see gray waves. When you do 62 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: a sonogram on a mom you see the baby in 63 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: a gray shadow. When you do sonar with a fishing boat, 64 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: you can actually see the fish gray figures swimming under 65 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 1: or around your boat. Ground penetrating radar sonar which show 66 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: the earth where you're looking is black or gray, but 67 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: then you see waves in it. You can see where 68 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: dirt has been disturbed that should not have been disturbed. 69 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: And it's done with something that looks like a metal detector. 70 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that done? Robert Well? I have, 71 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: and it brings to it brings to light a couple 72 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: of things. And it's only been a year since they've 73 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: actually start to dig and have a lead to do 74 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: something like this, and they're hoping that because it's only 75 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: been a year that when they put this sonar out there, 76 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: that they're going to see something that is either there 77 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: and not decomposed already, or a picture of a body 78 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,119 Speaker 1: that's still somewhat intact, or dirt that hasn't been rained 79 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: on so much that it's kind of filtered its way 80 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: and gone back to its normal setting of how it 81 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: was in the beginning. So this is a very very 82 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: amazing technique that they use. But there's some very specific 83 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: things that are coming to light about how much they're 84 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: digging after they're doing this sonar. You know, they're saying 85 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: they're going three and four feet. That's very specific. That 86 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: came from somewhere. You're right, they're going down three to 87 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: four feet and that's a very specific dig You know, 88 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: you said it's amazing technology, and I agree with you. 89 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: But Robert and Christmas, it's not in ain't rocket science, Okay, 90 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: it ain't grain surgery. It's like a metal detector. Haven't 91 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: you been to the beach? Doctor Bethany Marshall joining me 92 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: Psychoalans to the stars at doctor Bethany marsh dot com. 93 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, have you ever been to the beach and 94 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: you're enjoying the waves and the sand and the seagulllls, 95 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: and you're like, for one minute, you're not working. Yeah, yeah, 96 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: And you say somebody, some guy is usually either kids 97 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: or an old white male with something a metal detector, 98 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: blipping along trying to find somebody's where they've dropped money 99 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: or a watch or a ring. That's what this looks like. 100 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: You ever seen that. I have definitely see that. Or 101 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: they're looking for a wedding ring, a diamond, you know, 102 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: some treasure there. And that's exactly what this looks like. Guys, 103 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: we are learning that down the street from this taught 104 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: boys home. The backyard is dug up. But where did 105 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: the whole thing start? Take a listen now to our 106 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: friends at Idaho New six fruit when police are searching 107 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: for a missing and endangered five year old. The boy, 108 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: Michael Vaughan, was last seen in the area of West 109 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: ninth in Arizona in Fruitland late Tuesday. He was wearing 110 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: a light blue minecraft shirt and dark blue boxer briefs 111 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: with sandals. Anyone with information should call nine one one, 112 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: the paid County Sheriff's office or Fruitland Police. Yancy, if 113 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: I could jump in, you know, wasn't there a description 114 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: of what he was wearing on the day he wouldn't missing? Yeah, 115 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: we just heard that and I said it earlier. Right, 116 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: sandals go ahead, Well, they wouldn't just be looking for decomposition, 117 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: they would be looking for that clothing, right, it's been 118 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: a year. Clothing doesn't completely degrade in a year. The 119 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: body would not be degraded in one year. It would 120 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: always be skeletal remains at the very very least. But 121 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: I would suggest that there would still be It's hard 122 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: for me to talk about connecting it to this little boy, 123 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: Michael Vaughan, but there would be a substantial amount of 124 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: his body left if it had been buried, at the 125 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: very least skeletonized remains. But what they're looking for right 126 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: now and this person's backyard, for Pete's sake, is any 127 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: disturbance in the ground. Sydney Summer joining me crime online 128 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: dot com and was to get a reporter, Sydney. Thank 129 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Let's just go back to 130 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: the day that Michael Vaughan seemingly disappears. Who, what, where? When? Why? 131 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: Just hit me? Gotcha? July twenty seventh of twenty twenty 132 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: one is the last time anyone saw Michael Lane. He 133 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: was at home with his father and his baby sister, 134 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: and while his father stepped out of the room to 135 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: change the baby siaper, Michael must have left. His mom 136 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: suggests that he left through the garage, thinking that they 137 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: would have heard him. Had he left through the front door, 138 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: and there's reports that he was going around to several 139 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: neighbors homes to try to find a child to play 140 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: with outside. Okay, let me just drink in what Sydney 141 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: Summer has just told me. Okay, let's go to high 142 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: profile lawyer out of Jacksonville, former FBI agent, former cop, 143 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: author of Arrest Proof Yourself. You can find him at 144 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: Deale Carson Law dot com. Dale, Let's analyze what Sydney 145 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: Summer and just sold. Listen, everybody, remember this is not 146 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: high tea at Windsor Castle Jump in Dale. So Dad 147 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: changes baby daughter's diaper, and in that time, Michael Vaughan, 148 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: five year old taught boy wearing sandals. I think they're 149 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: strap on sandals like you know, Birkenstocks boxers and a 150 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: light blue Minecraft T shirt leaves the home purportedly to 151 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: find somebody to play with. I find that troubling but believable. 152 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: I think I told you the story, Dale Carson. My 153 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: longtime friend Joy Jones lives across the street from us, 154 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: growing up very rural area. Four brothers and sisters in 155 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: her home, three in our home. The first time we 156 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: ever met, I was about I don't know four, and 157 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: I wandered over there, knocked on the door and ask 158 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: for a cookie. It can happen, So that is not 159 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: many people are arguing, deal Carson, Well wait, why didn't 160 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: he notice how long did it take to change a diaper? 161 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: It can happen. It's not beyond the realm of possibility. 162 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: Del Carson, No, not at all. In fact, you know, 163 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: children have a way of being curious, particularly the boys. 164 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: Perhaps I don't know why you're saying that, you're stereotyping, 165 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: but okay, go ahead. Well see if I can dig 166 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: a colonel of Rationelle out of what you're saying. Yeah, 167 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: women aren't curious. Did you hear that, doctor Bethany? Forget 168 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: all the questions you've ever had in life, because girls 169 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: aren't curious, doctor Bethany? Remember that? Okay, go ahead, Carson. 170 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: Oh dear, I don't wait. Think this personal experience. I'm 171 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: five years old, I run away from the house on 172 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: a tricycle. I'm naked, running around the damned neighborhood. Finally 173 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: someone finds me and brings me home. I mean, that's 174 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: certainly possible that the child simply wandered off. But of 175 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: course those individuals with the last connection with the child 176 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: are the most likely suspects in general basis, well, what 177 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: do we know, Jacky, can you find out about that? 178 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: Because I bet somebody has suggested mom and dad take 179 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: a polly and again, let me remind everybody, it's not 180 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: mommy and daddy's backyard. That's a big dug up right now. 181 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: It's a neighbor down the street, a female neighbor down 182 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: the street. Nancy, if I could jump in just for 183 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: a moment, remember the case we covered about four years ago. 184 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: There was a family the back of the house backed 185 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: up to like a national forest, and the mother turned 186 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: her head for a moment and the little boy, I 187 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: think he was three or four, and he was on 188 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: the spectrum of autism, and he wandered out into the 189 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: forest and he was just like Joe, course Carson said, 190 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: a little boy curious. And I think that what would 191 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: be very important in this case is to look at 192 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: the culture of that neighborhood and the culture of the family. 193 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: Was a common for children to gather or in the streets, 194 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: or to go door to door, or to like want 195 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: to play with each other without parental supervision. Because in 196 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: some neighborhoods. That does happen. Although five years old is 197 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: awfully little just to go out into the streets without supervision. 198 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. Anybody jump in on this. 199 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: Once the dad changes the diapete of the little sister, 200 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: does he not notice the child is missing? I mean, 201 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't take an hour to change a diaper. Max 202 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: Jack jump in. You plant change plenty of diapers. I 203 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: would say max ten minutes for a dad that may 204 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: not always change diapers, maybe fifteen minutes. But what if 205 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: he suddenly had to bathe the little girl? But nothing 206 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: over thirty minutes? So while was the alarm not raised 207 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: anyone on the panel? How quickly did dad call nine 208 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: one one? That's a question. In the meantime, take a 209 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: listen to our France at Idaho News six. The search 210 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: for a missing Treasure Valley boy escalates as it goes 211 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: into a second day. Police officers in Fruitland need the 212 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: community's help and locating that little boy. Five year old 213 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: Michael Joseph Vaughan is considered endangered and was last seen 214 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: at his home near Southwest ninth in Arizona in Fruitland, 215 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: who was around six thirty Tuesday evening and search efforts 216 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: they begin immediately to find him, with teams walking through 217 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: nearby neighborhoods, searching by air with drones and even a helicopter. 218 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: The Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue Team brought their search 219 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: dog to help with the effort. Vaughn is about three 220 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: and a half feet tom his blonde hair and blue eyes. 221 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: He also goes by the nickname Monkey. And what do 222 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: we know about the actual search? Take a listen to 223 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: Chief j D Today. The Fruitland Police Department, in conjunction 224 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: with the State Police, multiple Treasure Valley law enforcement agencies, 225 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, we continue to search 226 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: for missing and endangered five year old Michael Joseph Vaughan 227 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: MJ to his family and friends. Michael was last seen 228 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: near his residence on Southwest ninth Street in Fruitland at 229 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: approximately six thirty pm on July twenty seventh, twenty twenty one. 230 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: Operations to date include the methodical search of the area 231 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: near Michael's residence, which included two irrigation runoff ditches which 232 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: were drained by the Fruitland Public Works Department, and an 233 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: extensive search and rescue effort, including the use of canines, 234 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: aeriel and marine and land support. Idaho Fish and Game 235 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: officers are continuing to search the river by boat for 236 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: four to five miles down river and backup and in 237 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: the slews of the Snake River as well. Another thing 238 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: that police have let slip is that this is really 239 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: no longer a search for a live taught boy. They're 240 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: no longer looking for a live five year old Michael 241 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: Vaughan because they stated they have reason to believe more 242 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: people know about the abduction and death of this little boy. 243 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: Who are they talking about? Who knows more than they're 244 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: telling about the kidnap and murder of a five year 245 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: old little boy allegedly wandering the neighborhood looking for somebody 246 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: to play with. Well, what are police saying about Michael 247 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: Vaughan's family? What do we know about that? To Sydney 248 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: Summer or Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what if 249 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: anything are they saying? Police have actually said that the 250 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: parents are cooperating much more. Tyler and Brandy are Michael's 251 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: parents and they are both being extremely cooperative with the 252 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: investigation and seem to just want their stime home. Interesting. 253 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: Interesting because you know, Dale Carson, high profile lawyer joining 254 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: me out of Jacksonville. A lot of times the family 255 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: is not entirely cooperative, all right. Remember in the johmin 256 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: A Ramsey case, at a certain point the family stopped 257 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: talking to police without a lawyer go ahead. That's our 258 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: first clue is that when people are not cooperative, there's 259 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: a region that they're not cooperative, particularly in a situation 260 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: where you have a child without yours that's missing. According 261 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: to what the dad told police at the time, he 262 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: was out of Michael side for ten to fifteen minutes. 263 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: What does that mean in the real world, Robert Crispin, 264 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: that the boy had to leave the home and get 265 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: kidnapped in fifteen minutes. Is how far could he have 266 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: gotten on foot in fifteen minutes? I mean clearly the 267 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: window to get out if dad's distracted and he doesn't 268 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: really have to go that far. These kids get abducted 269 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: right off their front lawn. Sometimes you're right, that is 270 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: exactly what happened in the case of Samantha running with 271 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: her grandmother looking through the window at her playing with 272 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: other children in the front yard, and a guy pulls 273 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: up in a car grabs Samantha, who is two or 274 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: three years old at the time and leaves and within 275 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: a couple of hours she's been raped and murdered. I 276 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: just have a huge issue with and correctly if I'm wrong, 277 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: But he starts to look, but then doesn't he called 278 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: a mother rather than nine one one first, Yes, you're 279 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: right about that. Guys, take a listen now to me. 280 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: He's Channel seven. Huff says that it has been a 281 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: thorough search. They have looked at two hundred homes. They 282 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: have interviewed the residents, they have drained a septic tank, 283 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: they have drained nearby canals. That search is up to 284 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: three thousand acres. Huff also says they've looked at twenty 285 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: nine miles along the river bank, and Huff added there 286 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: are sixty different security camera footage tapes they need to 287 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: look through. They are continuing to look through a hundred 288 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: and sixty three tips. They continue to ask people to 289 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: come forward with any information. Huff is making it clear 290 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: the department is committed to this search because my childhood neighborhood, 291 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: that's where I spent my childhood years, my children are 292 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: growing up here, and my law enforcement partners or mother's father's, aunt's, 293 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: uncles and friends of children that are just like Michael. 294 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: So you need to believe me when I tell you 295 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: that we are all in. You know, I'm comparing just 296 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: Got Morgan to the Killey Anthony case better known as 297 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: Totmom Casey Anthony Case the Killer. But a huge search 298 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: was conducted to find Keilly when she was about ten 299 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: houses down from the Anthony home the entire time. And 300 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: you just heard our friends at news Channel seven talking 301 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: about the thousands of acres that have been searched, Miley 302 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: in my air, searching in the water, hundreds of tips. 303 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: But now they're digging within a half a mile right 304 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: there in the neighborhood. They're digging up a woman's backyard. Yeah, 305 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: that goes to specific information. You know, why why would 306 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: you initiate that as a law enforcement organization, you know, 307 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: to put those resources toward that specific area. It's not 308 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: like that it's a wide swath. You're talking about a 309 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: location that approximates where this child's last seen. And they're 310 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: going to great efforts. And trust me, you know, you 311 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: gotta think they know that the media is going to 312 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: be watching them as they're doing this, so they're really 313 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: sticking their neck out on this. Why would you go 314 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: this deep into this Literally you're talking about a depth 315 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: here of three to four feet. That's pretty deep. We 316 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: refer to that as layering through the strata of the 317 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: of the of the backyard of this place. They're looking 318 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: for disturbed soil that's back there. They would have to 319 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: have a targeted area to go into to see if 320 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: the soil has been displaced in any way whatsoever. But 321 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: now now it sounds like they're just kind of going 322 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: through the entire backyard. So again, from an investigative standpoint, 323 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: that's very very specific. Man, it's wrong because when you 324 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: look for a body buried in the soil, you want 325 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: to layer it out very specifically so you can find 326 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: evidence that might indicate who buried the child. And so 327 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: to go into a backyard and simply take it all 328 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: and put it in a dumpster is none of the 329 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: way it's supposed to be done. It. Yeah, it's kind 330 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: of it's kind of non scientific. You know, you're not 331 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: being very methodical about it, you know, and again you 332 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: have to measure what's being said at this point in time. 333 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: We also we don't know exactly what they did. They 334 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: could have done the ground penetrating sonar and looked and 335 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: then start taking the dirt. Yes, I would agree it 336 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: should have been dirt taken in specific samples. We don't 337 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: know that they didn't do that. Here's the other point. 338 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: Here's the other point. It's been a year, there's been 339 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: no progress whatsoever, and was responding to the case from 340 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: a criminal perspective. What do we know and why are 341 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: police digging in this woman's back yard? Take a listen 342 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: our forsic crime a line. Fruitland Police have fielded more 343 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: than fifteen hundred leads and tips since Michael Vaughan disappeared, 344 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: and one of those tips considered credible, leads investigators to 345 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: the home of Casey and Sandra Wandra. The Wanderers are 346 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: neighbors of the Vaughan's, living just four minutes from where 347 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: Michael Vaughan went missing. The tipster says Michael's remains may 348 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: be behind the home. Sandra Wonder has posted TikTok videos 349 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: where Vaughan's missing poster can be seen hanging on her refrigerator. 350 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: Police are conducting an extensive search of the property using 351 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: excavating equipment and two cadaver dogs in their investigation. Fruitland 352 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: Police Chief Jad Huff says the intent is to dig 353 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: three or four beat deep. Cruse place what has been 354 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: dug up in dumpsters, says Cruz will not stop until 355 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: the entire backyard is excavated. Jill Carson, what were you 356 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: saying about this woman? Well, she has made a confession, 357 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: but there's no I don't know that I would call 358 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: that a confession. What exactly did she say? He said, 359 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: God on High told me that my husband killed the 360 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: child and buried him out back near a shit. But 361 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: interestingly we don't see the husband arrested. Well, because she's 362 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: not right mentally, I don't know about that, and so 363 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: they have to charge her with something. Well, I mean 364 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: she's in analysis right now. I mean she's in therapy 365 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: right now to determine whether it's huge competent to stand 366 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: From Jill Carson, you know the game better than anybody 367 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: putting someone. Having someone analyzed or tested from mental defect 368 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: does not mean that they have a mental defect. Look 369 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: at Lorie Vallen. They've been analyzing her for a couple 370 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: of year years now, and now they've decided she's fit 371 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: to stand trial. I mean, defense attorney's always as a 372 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: last resort argue, they're mainly unfit. Now sometimes you actually 373 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: do have a mentally unfit defendant, but that's just a 374 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: card that's always thrown out by the defense when they 375 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: don't know what to do, they declare mental incompetence. But 376 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: when you say she gave a confession, what she did 377 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: was that she said she had a vision from heaven 378 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: that her husband was a killer and had buried the 379 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: baby in the back yard. What more do we know? 380 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Abbie Davis Katie VB. 381 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: A grieving community reeling from the disappearance of the five 382 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: year old at Michael Vaughan last July, now potentially one 383 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: step closer to find enclosure. We are all very emotionally 384 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: tied to this case, just as our community is. I 385 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: would sell you probably the country. Freulim Police Chief JD. 386 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: Huff spoke with us Sunday afternoon about a credible tip. 387 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: He says a lot authorities and rescue crews to dig 388 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: up the backyard of a house in connection with Michael's death. 389 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: Huff said on Monday that credible tip came from someone 390 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: inside of the house. We received a search warrant and 391 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: we started excavating the back yard of this residence due 392 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: to the fact that there's potential for Michael's remains to 393 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: be in this backyard. Shouted out to well known private 394 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: investigator Robert Crispin. What do you make of that they 395 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: got a serious, credible tip because you hear how these 396 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: cases have fifteen hundred tips came in, But how many 397 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: times you hear a credible tip came in? What let's 398 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: talk about a credible tip. What is that? That's something 399 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: that could be independently verified by law enforcement that they're 400 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: going to run with. And I believe that this is 401 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: probably why the APPI davit is still sealed, because I 402 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: think they're onto something. And I think that credible tip 403 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: from the person that came inside from that inside that 404 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: house is not the lady who was arrested. Well, that's 405 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: my concern. They say the tip came from inside the house, 406 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: is that her? I mean, is she the one that 407 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: made the tip? I don't think so. I honestly don't 408 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: think so. And if they think that she's mentally crazy, 409 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: then they should have her baker acted. You know, why 410 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: do we have an arrest. We have a very specific 411 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: arrest with a very specific crime. So I mean, if 412 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: she's confessed to doing that crime. No, she hasn't. Don't 413 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: don't say that. She did not confess that she did 414 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: the crime. She said she had a vision that her 415 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: husband did it and buried the body in the back yard. 416 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean that is not a confession. But she didn't 417 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: report it. That's the crime. She's charged with, report of death. 418 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: I know that that's a laid down the road charge. 419 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: That's what she's charged with. Right now. She's being held 420 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: on failure to report a death at five hundred thousand 421 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: dollar balling. Does that mean she's the one that committed 422 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: the crime? Not necessarily And that's the hang up right here, guys, 423 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: take a listen again to Abye Davis Katie VB. Chiefhuff 424 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: told me they finished processing the yard and house that 425 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: Sarah Wandra lived in. Wandra has been charged with failure 426 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: to report a death, but her status conference was reset 427 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: rescheduled to December twenty third because a judge ruled that 428 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: she is mentally unfit to assist in her own defense 429 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: and she needs treatment. Just to clarify, Wandra was the 430 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: person who lived in the house that they have been 431 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: digging up the backyard and searching the house for so, 432 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: Huff told me that they're not quite sure that he 433 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: said that. They're looking to provide more information about what 434 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: actually came out of that search. Another thing I would 435 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: be interested in is whether or the husband that she's 436 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: pointing the finger at, whether he also lives with her 437 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: or is he long gone, because we don't see him 438 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: implicated in any way. This after fifteen hundred tips in 439 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: the search for five year old Michael Vaughan. Now we 440 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: also understand that she is about half a mile from 441 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: where Vaughan. Vaughan's father said he last saw the boy. 442 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: What do you make of that, Joe Scott Morgan, This 443 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: is basically right under the family's nose. Yeah, it is. 444 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: But you know, for all we know, she's whipped up 445 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: into a frenzy, you know, emotionally, and you know, she 446 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: thinks she's vested in this. She thinks that she's a 447 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: junior investigator. And suddenly she starts getting visions from God 448 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: where she's telling them that God told them that her husband, 449 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: whatever his status is at this point in time, killed 450 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: this poor baby and buried them in their backyard. You know, 451 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: how does she not have an awareness of this? Already? 452 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: It took God. It took God on High to give 453 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: her this message that her backyard had been dug up 454 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: and a little boy's remains have been placed there. I'm 455 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: just that Joe Scott Morgan is absolutely correct, and I'll 456 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: put clinical language to it. She's what four minutes from 457 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: the family home, has the flyer on a refrigerator. Perhaps 458 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: she has what we call involutional psychosis, meaning she goes 459 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: in and out of psychotic states. Because the language I 460 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: got a vision from on High has kind of a 461 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: psychotic quality to it. Joe Scott Morgan said she was 462 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: whipped up into a frenzy. Absolutely, people who are psychotic 463 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: will incorporate into their psychotic episodes whatever the heck is 464 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: going on around them. And what's going on around her, 465 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: a little voice and missing for the last year. What's 466 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: going to get incorporated into her psychosis? The fact that 467 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: her husband killed him? Why? Who knows? Maybe she's mad 468 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: at him that day, Maybe he threw his dental floss 469 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: on the counter and she's pissed off of him because 470 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: he didn't put it in the trash, and you know, 471 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: she incorporates this anger into a psychotic episode. Psychotic people 472 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: do this all the time. But another thing we know 473 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: about missing children, psychosis and all of that is usually 474 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: the body is found within less of a spin a 475 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: third of a mile from the family home. Right, we've 476 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: covered these cases again and again. Stereotypical abduction where a 477 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: stranger takes the child, transports them overnight more than twenty 478 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: four hours away or to another state is less than 479 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: one percent. Look at Kaylee Anthony. Everybody's searching, search and 480 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: search where was she near the house? So it's always 481 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: in close proximity to the house almost always. But I 482 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: would say that most certainly this woman has some kind 483 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: of I don't use the word mental illness. I would 484 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: say loss of contact with reality. And people like that 485 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: become very preoccupied about the phenomena of people that just 486 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: want desperately to be involved in a case. Now, earlier 487 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: I was talking about the husband. I do know that 488 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: the husband, Stacy Wanda, does share the home with her, 489 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: So that lays me the choice of her for him 490 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: that called in this tip. I'd been willing to put 491 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: money on it. Jos Goot Morgan that it was Fruitland 492 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: literally sits literally sits immediately adjacent to a major interstate highway. 493 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: If there's a predator out there. They could be in 494 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: that neighborhood and back on I think it's I eighty 495 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: four headed towards Portland and headed up the western seaboard 496 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: into Canada if they so wished in the blink of 497 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: an eye, and no one would be any of the 498 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: wiser at that point in time. If you just take 499 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: a look at this place on the map. That's one 500 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: of the things I'm thinking about. This child. This child, 501 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: to some predator out there, has much more value a 502 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: live than he does deceives time stories with Nancy Grace. 503 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: We know that this woman appears in court, Sarah Wander, 504 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: charged with failure to report a death in cops came 505 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: to affect the search warrant and the arrest. She was 506 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: standing there in her living room, not trying to get away. 507 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: Although she has pointed the finger at her husband, who 508 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: was the main player in her heavenly vision. He has 509 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: not been arrested. Stacy Stacy Wandra has not been arrested. 510 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: She's aged thirty five. Apparently we haven't heard anything about 511 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: children living in the home. What does that mean that 512 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: this five year old boy goes missing in her neighborhood 513 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: and now she's had a heavenly vision. Did she take 514 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: the boy and kill the boy? Did she want to 515 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: have a child? Did she never have children? All questions 516 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: to be answered by a shrink. I think, I hear 517 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: you Del Carson jump in, yeah, yeah, that she has 518 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: no children. She may have wanted that child for her 519 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: own purposes, but it's all unlikely because certainly indignity up 520 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: to backyard as they have. If that were true, they 521 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: would already have found at a post fat some sort 522 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: of evidence of the child. You're right, And not only 523 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: did they did get up, Del Carson, they also brought 524 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: out cadaver dogs and you just got Morgan or to you, 525 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, wouldn't cadaver dogs have hit on that earth 526 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: where the body was buried? I think absolutely, of course, sure, yeah, 527 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: and not just that. Even further, I think one point 528 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: was made by bethany earlier, Nancy, any kind of clothing 529 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: this child would have had on, if the child, assuming 530 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: that the child would have been still clothes when buried, 531 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: If there's any synthetic blends in there, this clothing is 532 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: not going to degrade to any great degree. You would 533 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: see evidence of that, and would it would really pop 534 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: out against that you could see it with the unaided 535 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: high Essentially, you know, once you stuck a spade to 536 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: show a spade to dirt, at that point time started 537 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: turning the dirt, you would see it. It would be there, 538 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: and not to mention the remains that had been left 539 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: behind us. But what about this the specificity in her state? 540 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: When cops questioned her, I said, where in the backyard, 541 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: and she pointed to shape places and one of them 542 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: was the backyard by a shed. She was very specific. Now, 543 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: when you have specificity and a statement that lends to 544 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: its credibility, it makes it more believable. But let me 545 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: also point out she pointed to a spot near the 546 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: entry of her residence. Psychotic people can be very very 547 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: specific depending on the nature of the psychotic episode they're having. 548 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: So let's say she's obsessed with this case. The family 549 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: lives four minutes down the road, She has the flyer 550 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: on her refrigerator, she has an empty life, probably doesn't 551 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: work or have much of a life. If she has 552 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: a severe mental illness, she's trapped in the home all 553 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: the time. What's she going to do. She's going to 554 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: think and think and think about this case. Pretty soon 555 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: she has a whole psychotic delusion about it. I'm just 556 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: dating just based upon what I know about mental illness. 557 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: And pretty soon she decides in her own mind where 558 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: the body is and she calls the police. And you know, 559 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: this may be the biggest happening in her life this 560 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: past year, that she was able to call the police, 561 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: that she was able to share her psychotic episode of 562 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: other people. Well, now she's sharing it with a sealemate. Guys, 563 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: take a listen now to our cut three. This is 564 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: Joe Martin from KMTV. Appearing took place today for a 565 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: woman arrested in connection with a disappearance of five year 566 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: old Michael Vaughan. Sarah Wandra is charged with failing to 567 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: report a death to the corner. Her next appearance is 568 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: scheduled for December twenty third, after the court holds a 569 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: competency check. Six year old Michael Vaughan has been missing 570 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: for over a year. Police in Fruitland spent most of 571 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: last week digging in the backyard at the house where 572 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: Wandro lives, but they haven't released any new information on what, 573 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: if anything has been found so far. Not from our 574 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: friends at km VT. We also know police are asking 575 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: for help they're asking for help identify a white vehicle 576 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: they believe to be a white Honda Pilot year twenty 577 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: sixteen to twenty twenty that was spotted around Southwest eighth 578 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: Street six forty seven pm on July twenty seven. They're 579 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: looking for the driver of that, and they're also looking 580 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,439 Speaker 1: for a blue Dodge Avenger. Now, why any car could 581 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: have driven through that neighborhood. What would it be about 582 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: those two cars that have piqued their interest. You were 583 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: just hearing from our France at KMVT. Now take a 584 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 1: listen to this Lavon family has no connection to anyone 585 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: that has lived inside the home that is currently being searched, 586 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: but they do live just a few minutes away and 587 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: their street is completely blocked off, and police say that 588 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: is to protect them during this investigation. Since Michael has 589 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: gone to missing, the entire town of Fruitland still has 590 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: signs posted looking for Michael, and the community wants answers. 591 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: I find that critical. Let me throw that out to you, 592 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: Robert Crispin. They're making it clear that this woman, Sarah Wandra, 593 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: now under arrest for failure to report a death, had 594 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: no connection to the Vaughan family. Why is that important. Well, 595 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: it could be for a number of reasons to disconnect 596 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 1: and do two separate investigations. And this is a great 597 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: example of why law enforcement never releases the cause of 598 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 1: death on appending homicide just for this exact reason. They'll 599 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: say that they have a homicide, but they won't say 600 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: the cause of the homicide stabbing, a shooting, a strangulation, decapitation, 601 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: and why because you have people like this. I'm not 602 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: saying she's guilty or not, but will come forward and 603 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: they will say that I killed that little boy. Okay, Well, 604 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: as an investigator walked me through how you did it? Well, yeah, 605 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: I conducted him and I pulled him and I strangled 606 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: them and then I shot him in the head. And 607 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 1: then the next thing, you know, when we unearthed the child, 608 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: we find out that the child's round. It's a completely 609 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: different cause of death. But if somebody hears on TV 610 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: like out of Idaho with these four girls, which is 611 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: just beyond me, how they release the cause of death 612 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: being a stabbing. I mean, if somebody gets taken into 613 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: custody and they're a suspect in any homicide, only the 614 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: person who committed the homicide is going to know the 615 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: facts of the crime scene and then the mad and goal. 616 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: All police departments, this is always a problem because everybody 617 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: knows everybody else, and everybody loves a secret. Listen, Nancy, 618 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: I had a guy confessed to a crime to me 619 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: who didn't do it, and he confessed to everything that 620 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: was on TV. And I dissected his statement and it 621 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: was everything that was released. And this is exactly why 622 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 1: law enforcement stays tight. Let well, I had it happened 623 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 1: to my best friend in the DA's office. He prosecuted 624 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: a person for a murder based on a confession, and 625 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: the person matched the description. About a year later, it 626 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: turns out the killer was wearing a wig and the 627 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: real killer was apprehended. Thankfully, A very brief time went 628 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: by based on a false confession. Is that what we 629 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: have here? Take a listen to our cut twenty eight 630 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 1: every Day, Miss Katie VB. Police arrested thirty five year 631 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: old Sarah Wandra over the weekend, who lived in the 632 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: house being searched. She's charged with failure to report at death. 633 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: Wandra appeared via zoom for an arrangement Monday afternoon in 634 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: pat County. It is alleged that you did honor about 635 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: on the twelfth day of November of this year. Here 636 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: in this day of Ioo, veil to notify the corner 637 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: of a debt, the death of Michael Lawn with the 638 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: intense to for van the discovery of the manner of 639 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: debt as a failing here in the state of Iobo. 640 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: Do you understand the allegation has been made against you 641 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: as you hear her state in court. I understand what 642 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: you're saying, but it's not correct. And in the last 643 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: hours a critical police pressor the home search has been completed. 644 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: During that excavation process, the Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue 645 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: Mountain States Detection Dogs deployed multiple certified human remains detection 646 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: dogs on the property, all of them alerting to the 647 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: presence of human remains. Ground penetrating radar was also used 648 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: and deployed detecting anomalies in the backyard. We completed the 649 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: excavation of the entire backyard and removed over two hundred 650 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: and fifty yards of dirt. Prior to backfilling the yard. 651 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: The dirt was meticulously sifted for any potential human remains. 652 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: We did not find Michael's remains, although the remains of 653 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: Michael Vaughan were not recovered. We strongly believe, based on evidence, 654 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: that Michael was abducted and is deceased, and that his 655 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: remains were buried and later moved from the property. As 656 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: of today, the whereabouts of his remains are unknown. Take 657 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends a kt VB. Sarah and 658 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: her husband Stacy both lived in the home that Cruz 659 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: excavated and searched. This is Stacy Wandra. Once again, they 660 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: are a married couple. He is currently in the Washington 661 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: County Jail on unrelated charges. So we already knew that 662 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: the Wanderers lived in the home being excavated. What we 663 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: didn't know in what Huff told us was that these 664 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: two other men, they believe, also had some sort of 665 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: knowledge about what happened to Michael. They are not in 666 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: the state of Idaho right now. They believe they are 667 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: in other states right now. One of them was actually 668 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: visiting the wanders at that house, and the other one 669 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: actually lived with the Wandras. This is Brandon Shirtliff, thirty 670 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,720 Speaker 1: years old of Cuna, Idaho. Brandon was living with Sarah 671 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 1: and Stacy Wandra at eleven o' two Red Wing Street, 672 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: at the time of Michael's disappearance, and we believe Brandon 673 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: has firsthand knowledge of Michael's abduction. Brandon is currently believed 674 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: to be in North Dakota. Adrian Lucien thirty two, thirty 675 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: two year old male out of Toledo, Ohio. Adrian was 676 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: staying with Sarah and Stacy Wander at eleven o't two 677 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: Red Wing Street at the time of Michael's disappearance, and 678 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: we believe that Adrian has firsthand knowledge of Michael's abduction. 679 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,760 Speaker 1: Adrian's currently believed to be in Toledo, but floats between 680 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: Ohio and California. So once again they believe that these 681 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: four people have some sort of knowledge about what happened 682 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: to Michael. Tip line two zero eight three four three 683 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: Cops two zero eight three four three two six seven seven. 684 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: We have not forgotten the kidnapped and murder a five 685 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: year old Michael Vaughan. Goodbye friend,