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Speaker 2: Baldy's so great to see again, my friend. You're looking good.
Speaker 2: You brought the guns out to the pod today.
Speaker 3: Yep, thank you. Well, suns out. Guns are out right now.
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Speaker 1: So Super Bowl Sunday, Baldy. Jay Glazer broke it first,
Speaker 1: I believe. He said that Aaron Rodgers flew back to
Speaker 1: New Jersey last week to meet with the Jets, and
Speaker 1: at that point, the Jets informed him they were gonna
Speaker 1: move on at quarterback.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts when you heard that news.
Speaker 5: I think it's the right move. I mean, Aaron was
Speaker 5: here for two years. It created a great buzz. Obviously,
Speaker 5: the first year was a massive disappointment, and in the
Speaker 5: large part last year.
Speaker 3: Was a massive disappointment.
Speaker 5: He was expected to raise the level of play around
Speaker 5: him to get the Jets to the playoffs, and they
Speaker 5: fell way short. And I just think when you bring
Speaker 5: in a new coach, you bring in a new general manager.
Speaker 3: Like you should start fresh. And Darren Moge was a
Speaker 3: new GM.
Speaker 5: They cut their cord last year with Russell Wilson, and
Speaker 5: he was a big He was supposed to be their.
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers and he wasn't.
Speaker 5: And Sean Payton's like, let's just cut her losses, let's
Speaker 5: go with the rookie, Let's start fresh. And I feel
Speaker 5: like that's what the Jets should do right now. I
Speaker 5: think the Aaron Rodgers era is should be over. I'm
Speaker 5: not surprised they said that. I don't think Aaron's shocked
Speaker 5: or even disappointed at this point, Like he knows what
Speaker 5: he was brought here to do and he wasn't able
Speaker 5: to deliver, and that wasn't all his fault obviously, but still,
Speaker 5: you know, nothing changed with Aaron, So I think they
Speaker 5: made this change. It's an organizational shift. The quarterback is
Speaker 5: a huge part of it.
Speaker 3: Like make the.
Speaker 2: Change top fluck for Aaron Rodgers and the Jets.
Speaker 1: Following that trade in April twenty twenty three, right, Baldy,
Speaker 1: there was all the hype, the excitement, Hard Knox was
Speaker 1: here in florm Park and then Monday night football Week
Speaker 1: one against the Buffalo Bills, four snaps in achilles tendon tear.
Speaker 5: Look, I mean that it's gonna be part of Jets folklore.
Speaker 5: Like I'll never forget the buzz that preseason. Woody Johnson
Speaker 5: out there saying about like everybody wanted to come to
Speaker 5: training camp. Everybody wanted to come to florm Park and
Speaker 5: see Aaron throwing to Garrett Wilson, you know, you know,
Speaker 5: alll Is Art whatever. But it just it never materialized.
Speaker 5: And it was a shock at what we all witnessed
Speaker 5: that night, Like nobody could have foreseen that he'd never
Speaker 5: suffered a major injury like that. And it just as
Speaker 5: as much as it was built up, it got deflated immediately.
Speaker 5: And so then it was about year two and there
Speaker 5: was hype and there was excitement and all this stuff,
Speaker 5: and it never really got off the ground. And I think,
Speaker 5: you know, I think the loss to Denver at home
Speaker 5: in the rain really solidified that that was a winnable game.
Speaker 3: They couldn't score from the one.
Speaker 5: It sort of epitomized the frustration that every Jet failed
Speaker 5: last year. That was a winnable game. Defense played great,
Speaker 5: Denver didn't score touchdown. The Jets couldn't put Denver away.
Speaker 3: That thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting looking back at it because Rogers historically,
Speaker 1: this was one of the better passing seasons of franchise history.
Speaker 1: Passes for nearly three nine hundred yards, He's twenty eight
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, his eleven interceptions, and you have to give
Speaker 1: him a lot of credit for working his way back.
Speaker 1: He's forty one years old, coming off a devastating injury,
Speaker 1: and he was able to put up those numbers.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was gritty. Also going back.
Speaker 1: To the twenty twenty three season Baldy, where he just
Speaker 1: worked his way in order to get back out of
Speaker 1: the practice field. He was trying to do something that
Speaker 1: nobody had ever done it before.
Speaker 5: No, I mean, look, the commitment was there. The commitment
Speaker 5: on his part was there, Like nobody can fault Aaron
Speaker 5: Rodgers for not being committed. But there were games that
Speaker 5: the Jets could have easily won. The Minnesota Viking game,
Speaker 5: in London. That was a winnable game. He ate he
Speaker 5: had to make a play down the stretch. Gilmore's beat,
Speaker 5: You got to make the throw. I mean, Seattle is
Speaker 5: a winnable game, a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 5: winnable games.
Speaker 3: The stats are good, but ERINBLD. I mean, if Aaron's.
Speaker 5: Being honest, and I think you can look at the
Speaker 5: mirror and be honest, like you were opportunities to win
Speaker 5: a lot of these games, to get them into December
Speaker 5: for real, meaningful games rather than.
Speaker 3: Playing the string out like they did.
Speaker 5: So look, I mean, you can't fault anybody from from
Speaker 5: Woody to Joe Douglas to Phil Savage. You can't fault
Speaker 5: anybody front office players Aaron.
Speaker 3: For not being committed. The commitment was there, it didn't
Speaker 3: work out.
Speaker 5: But I also think this is a young man's game,
Speaker 5: and you know, the Super Bowl showed you that the
Speaker 5: way to win.
Speaker 3: And I'm in Philadelphia, EA, so I see this firsthand.
Speaker 5: But when you draft Nolan Smith and Jalen Carter, you know,
Speaker 5: and you go sign Saquan and Zach Bond, and you
Speaker 5: developed and you draft Cooper Dezine and Quinnon Mitchell, you
Speaker 5: draft and develop, and then you spend your money wisely
Speaker 5: on key components. There's a formula out there to turn
Speaker 5: any franchise around very quickly. Remember the Eagles collapsed last year.
Speaker 5: It was an ugly collapse and they just didn't sit.
Speaker 5: Id'll goed, okay, well, bring back to safety. They changed coaches, Cordames,
Speaker 5: they changed position coaches, they went out and retooled the
Speaker 5: whole roster, and here they are Super Bowl champs.
Speaker 1: So following that Vikings game, you mentioned the Broncos game.
Speaker 1: The Jets entered that ballgame at Life a rainy Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1: They were two to one. They had played a complete
Speaker 1: game against the New England Patriots. They lose to the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Then they go over and play in London in Week
Speaker 1: five against the Vikings, a team who had a terrific
Speaker 1: season themselves looking back at it. They lose a one
Speaker 1: possession game, and then a couple of days later, Robert
Speaker 1: sala Is dismissed, Jeff albrick Is promoted to interim head coach,
Speaker 1: and then a month later Joe Douglas dismissed.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned it before.
Speaker 1: Phil Savage finishes the year as an interim GM and
Speaker 1: then Baldy. In totality, the Jets lost six games in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter in which they held leads, and they
Speaker 1: were three and seven in one possession games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, and meanwhile, you know, Kansas City's
Speaker 5: in the Super Bowl and they were undefeated in one
Speaker 5: possession games. They didn't lose a game one possession Like
Speaker 5: these games come down to the fourth quarter. Heah, and
Speaker 5: that's where your quarterback had Like Super Bowls different, but
Speaker 5: that's where your star players, including your quarterback, has.
Speaker 3: To step up.
Speaker 5: If you look at the Eagles run, I mean, they
Speaker 5: narrowly beat the Rams, but their star players stepped up
Speaker 5: in that game. Jalen Carter punched the ball out of
Speaker 5: Kyron Williams hands. Jalen Carter sack Matt Stafford when he's
Speaker 5: going in to throw a dagger against the Eagles to
Speaker 5: win the game in the final minute. Your star players
Speaker 5: and your quarterback have to step up in those big
Speaker 5: moments in the fourth quarter. That's why you pay the
Speaker 5: stars the money they do. They've got to change the game.
Speaker 5: Guys like me that were you know, part of the
Speaker 5: part of the roster. Starters not stars, we're just glue players.
Speaker 5: Your star players have to win games. If you look
Speaker 5: at the big win that the Jets had this year
Speaker 5: on Thanksgiving Night against the Houston Texans, you think about
Speaker 5: the catch by Garrett Wilson in the back of the
Speaker 5: end zone. It's a star play, Like I don't know
Speaker 5: how many receivers in this league can make that play,
Speaker 5: but Aaron two three touchdown passes, Garrett kind of you know,
Speaker 5: made the star play of the game. I thought in
Speaker 5: that game, your stars got to win in crunch time
Speaker 5: and your quarterback has to deliver. You can put all
Speaker 5: the stats up there you want Lamar Jackson, and that's
Speaker 5: what they got to do.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: The overall for this franchise was the right move at
Speaker 1: that time to make the trade for Aaron Rodgers. But
Speaker 1: now here we are two years later, you think it's
Speaker 1: the right move for the organization to move on.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: I do think it's time to move on. I think
Speaker 5: you have to constantly look. Everybody makes mistakes, and I'm
Speaker 5: not saying Aaron was a mistake, but everybody has to
Speaker 5: move on from a quarterback, and different teams do it
Speaker 5: different lea. You know last year Denver drafted bow Knicks.
Speaker 5: It's the first time that they that Chem Payton has
Speaker 5: been coaching his league where he had to develop a
Speaker 5: rookie quarterback, like he never had to do that before.
Speaker 3: He got Drew Brees four years into his career.
Speaker 5: You know, he had a lot of veter quarterbacks as
Speaker 5: an assistant coach, you know, in New York and in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: But everybody has to find their guy.
Speaker 5: Everybody has to find their quarterback, whether it's a draft pick,
Speaker 5: whether it's Detroit getting his second actor's Jared Goff. Even
Speaker 5: the Philadelphia Eagles, you know, in twenty twenty had Carson
Speaker 5: Wentz and they just gave him a big fat contract
Speaker 5: and they drafted Jalen Hurts with the fifty third pick
Speaker 5: in the second round.
Speaker 3: And people question whether Jalen.
Speaker 5: Could ever play quarterback in this league, he's just a
Speaker 5: running back.
Speaker 3: Well, he's a Super Bowl MVP winning quarterback right now.
Speaker 5: They developed Jalen and they got the right coach, and
Speaker 5: they got the line, and they.
Speaker 3: Got the talent around him, and they never stopped building
Speaker 3: around him.
Speaker 5: You've got to identify that, however you do, and you
Speaker 5: got to you gotta get him, and you have to
Speaker 5: develop them, and you have to surround him with the league.
Speaker 1: Talent, Baldy, you know it better than anybody being stationed
Speaker 1: where you're you're at. You basically you know you're inside
Speaker 1: all thirty two teams, but that's your backyard.
Speaker 2: Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Hurts, as you mentioned, not a first round pick, so
Speaker 1: he was anomaly in the playoffs this season.
Speaker 2: The only other guy I think who was a non first.
Speaker 1: Round pick who made the postseason was Russell Wilson, a
Speaker 1: third round pick back in the day, but Pittsburgh actually
Speaker 1: picked him up in free agency of course, prior to
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four season. But going back to Hurts,
Speaker 1: he started out his third on the depth chart, wasn't
Speaker 1: he behind Nate Sudfell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No.
Speaker 5: He came in, came in, worked his way up. Carson
Speaker 5: was the franchise quarterback, whether you want to believe the
Speaker 5: reports that Carson felt threatened. But Jalen, I mean, Jalen
Speaker 5: never stopped working. I know Jalen pretty good. Like you know,
Speaker 5: he never stopped working in his game. He listens to
Speaker 5: all the noise, he uses everything is fuel the way
Speaker 5: a lot of athletes do. But he's been in the
Speaker 5: player like he started in twenty twenty one, He's been
Speaker 5: in the playoffs every single year. He's been to two
Speaker 5: Super Bowls right now. He's won a ton of playoff games.
Speaker 5: The guy's an elite athlete, elite runner. Let the Super
Speaker 5: Bowl and rushing he beats you a lot of dif voyage.
Speaker 5: They wanted to stack the box and take Saquan away
Speaker 5: in that game.
Speaker 3: He delivered.
Speaker 5: He delivered an MVP performance. They picked the right guy,
Speaker 5: but that was the fifty third pick. He wasn't supposed
Speaker 5: to be the starter. But you know what, competition is
Speaker 5: a good thing. You could never have enough. You never
Speaker 5: have enough competition, but you can never have enough talent
Speaker 5: on your team. Youve got to continually add to it.
Speaker 5: And that's what Philadelphias shown the whole league.
Speaker 2: You mentioned it before.
Speaker 1: How about official will that Denver experience be for Denver?
Speaker 1: For Darren Mugi excuse me, who was working with George
Speaker 1: Payton there with the Broncos when they took a number
Speaker 1: of swings at the quarterback position and then specifically with
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, they said, hey, it's not working out. We're
Speaker 1: going to eat that money. And now they go and
Speaker 1: draft their guy in bo Nicks.
Speaker 5: Not just that but they made the playoffs with Bo
Speaker 5: Knicks and all you did. I mean, I tracked bow
Speaker 5: Knicks from week one where he literally could not complete
Speaker 5: a pass to a wide receiver the first two weeks
Speaker 5: of the season, and he thought, what did they get?
Speaker 5: And by the end of the year was winning games
Speaker 5: for him and taking care of the football and becoming
Speaker 5: a legitimate, you know, prospect that you can see Denver
Speaker 5: competing for playoff spots every year with Bo Nicks and
Speaker 5: he started all eighteen games for him, you know, So
Speaker 5: they got the right guy.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: I think he was the fourth or the fifth quarterback
Speaker 5: drafted last year. But Atlanta feels good about you know,
Speaker 5: Michael Pennix Junior. I think Washington struck gold. I think
Speaker 5: Caleb is to find a good home with his Duke coach.
Speaker 3: Like you got.
Speaker 5: You got to draft these guys wherever you draft him,
Speaker 5: and you got to give him every chance to develop,
Speaker 5: and you've got to get good coaches around him to
Speaker 5: do it with. And so that's when the Jets are out,
Speaker 5: whether it's I believe they should sign a free agent
Speaker 5: quarterback and they should draft the quarterback, you know, and
Speaker 5: get the best possible prospect they can, regardless of how
Speaker 5: many assets it takes to do it. Like, you've got
Speaker 5: to get that guy in your building, and you have
Speaker 5: to start, you know, showing the belief in them and
Speaker 5: the ability to build around them.
Speaker 2: All Right, I'm glad you just brought that up.
Speaker 1: So let's speak a little bit about twenty twenty five options.
Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor is currently on the roster.
Speaker 1: He's been a member, of course, of seven different organizations,
Speaker 1: sixty two percent passer over the course of his career
Speaker 1: ball the sixty eight career touchdown passes twenty nine interceptions,
Speaker 1: hasn't started more than six games in the season since
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Jordan Travis was a draft pick working his
Speaker 1: way back from that devastating ankle injury at Florida State
Speaker 1: in twenty two three. Adrian Martinez signed a futures deal
Speaker 1: here in January. Those are the three guys currently on
Speaker 1: the roster.
Speaker 5: Look, I mean, Tyrod, you mentioned all the teams he's
Speaker 5: been on. I mean he was there with Josh Allen,
Speaker 5: he was in the Chargers with Justin Herbert, you know,
Speaker 5: and scheduled to start and got a puncture wound to
Speaker 5: the chest and Justin took over. They never look back.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's been in that seat where he's been
Speaker 5: the guy. Then you know a Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3: He was in.
Speaker 5: Cleveland with Baker and Baker, you know, beat him out,
Speaker 5: you know by the fourth game, I think it was
Speaker 5: a Jets game when Baker came in. It took over
Speaker 5: on Thursday night. But you know, he's been in this role.
Speaker 3: He knows his role.
Speaker 5: But he's still is athletic, he still can win games
Speaker 5: for you. He can still put a gate play together.
Speaker 5: He's I think he's very capable of being a bridge
Speaker 5: quarterback right now.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't be comfortable with Jordan Travison.
Speaker 2: And you know Adrian Martinez, An.
Speaker 3: Adrian and Tyrod right now.
Speaker 5: I mean I would look real hard at drafting a
Speaker 5: quarterback as high as I possibly could.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna get back to the draft here in
Speaker 2: a second.
Speaker 1: A former Jet quarterback Sam Donald broke out under Kevin
Speaker 1: O'Connell there.
Speaker 2: Last year in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: He could be a free agent Justin Fields, who of
Speaker 1: course started the season with the Steelers last year. He
Speaker 1: made those six starts before Russell Wilson took over. Maybe
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is out there as well. Former Giants quarterback
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones could be out there in the market.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are speculating that Kirk Cousins possibly
Speaker 1: could be released.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think it would be awkward to
Speaker 5: bring Sam Donald back, you know, to pay him, you know,
Speaker 5: elite money after you know his tenure here ended, you know,
Speaker 5: without fanfare.
Speaker 3: I think it would be awkward.
Speaker 5: But you have to you have to, like, honestly, Darren's
Speaker 5: got to really look at every option, and Aaron Glenn,
Speaker 5: they got to look at every single option carefully. All right,
Speaker 5: It's an important decision. So I mean, everybody is on
Speaker 5: the table. If Derek Carr gets released, you know, is
Speaker 5: he on the table? If Kellamore goes in there and
Speaker 5: said we want to start fresh, all these like.
Speaker 3: You can't. You have to look at every prospect.
Speaker 5: Nobody thought that Sam Donald could have done what he
Speaker 5: did this year. Nobody that watched them in Carolina or
Speaker 5: the Jets or even one game in San Francisco. Nobody
Speaker 5: could have predicted that he could have played that well,
Speaker 5: won that many games. But that's what you have to do,
Speaker 5: Like you have to take each guy, put them in
Speaker 5: a vacuum. And say, okay, if we put elite offensive
Speaker 5: line in front of him like they did in Minnesota,
Speaker 5: at least a very good line, and you an elite
Speaker 5: running back and receivers what Canny do. And by the way,
Speaker 5: they let the league in takeaways, so they got a
Speaker 5: lot of extra at bats, you know, coming back to Sam,
Speaker 5: but you have to you know, nobody could printed that
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield would win two straight division titles and win
Speaker 5: playoff games at Tampa until you put a team around
Speaker 5: them and gave him an opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those guys were those guys both cast offs, right,
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and then Sam Donald, and they resurrect their careers.
Speaker 3: Yes, and so, and you.
Speaker 5: Know we started off this conversation we're talking about Jalen
Speaker 5: Hurts was the fifty third pick.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if Riley.
Speaker 5: Leonard could be that guy, you know, had a Notre
Speaker 5: Dame and if he's a third round pick, if he's
Speaker 5: got great athleticism, he's got shortcomings. They said that about Jayalen.
Speaker 5: I I remember doing a college game when Jalen was
Speaker 5: the starting quarterback at Alabama and.
Speaker 3: They were playing Texas A and M.
Speaker 5: They were both undefeated and I thought Jalen Hurts was
Speaker 5: nobody could catch him. He was an elite runner, but
Speaker 5: I never thought he was going to be an elite thrower. Well,
Speaker 5: he's become a very good passer. So you gotta really
Speaker 5: do your homework on these guys. Yes, you can go,
Speaker 5: and who knows, Like, who knows what that guy is
Speaker 5: gonna be? It's you can't sit here on February twelve
Speaker 5: and predict what the Jets should do at quarterback.
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Speaker 1: No, you definitely can't. And you were boots on the
Speaker 1: ground in Mobile. I don't know how you do it all, brother,
Speaker 1: I can't keep up with you. But you were in Mobile,
Speaker 1: before you were in New Orleans, before you were in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. And I know you're gonna be traveling again
Speaker 1: this weekend. But here are some names out there that
Speaker 1: people are talking about top prospects in two thousand and
Speaker 1: twenty five NFL Draft. I can't believe we're already saying
Speaker 1: that ball the twenty twenty five. But cam Ward from Miami,
Speaker 1: Shehder Sanders of course from Colorado, Jackson Dark from Mississippi,
Speaker 1: Jalen Milroe from Alabama, dual threat Will Howard from Ohio.
Speaker 1: State of course was the national title. Tyler Shuck I
Speaker 1: just saw Todd mcshade put something out there last night
Speaker 1: saying that this guy might be one of the top
Speaker 1: four athletic prospects at the quarterback position. Kyle McCord who
Speaker 1: played at Syracuse, quinn Ewers from Texas. All those names
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be hearing in April, we are.
Speaker 5: And we're gonna hear about him for the next three months,
Speaker 5: and we're gonna put them through elite scrutiny for the
Speaker 5: next three months lead up to the draft. I mean,
Speaker 5: whether it's the Combine, I'll be at the Combine at
Speaker 5: the end of February, whether it's the pro days, the workouts,
Speaker 5: really grinding the film and going through these guys, We're
Speaker 5: gonna get a much better composite on what these guys are.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, we're gonna fall
Speaker 5: in love with milrose athleticism and his arm strength.
Speaker 3: But that happens to every single prospect. You know, we're
Speaker 3: gonna fall in love with some things, not love with
Speaker 3: some things.
Speaker 5: But there's the game that's played in college is a
Speaker 5: completely different game than the NFL, and the maturity level,
Speaker 5: the commitment to the game, all those things get exposed
Speaker 5: if you're not elite at all those things once you
Speaker 5: get inside you know the building. You know, the Jets
Speaker 5: went through this with Wilson from BYU, Like he didn't
Speaker 5: have the commitment or the understanding of the game necessary
Speaker 5: to become a top prospect, and he kept falling into
Speaker 5: the same old traps. Now, maybe he gets rescued in
Speaker 5: Denver and Sean Payton does some things with them, and
Speaker 5: he gets a second act like some of these other
Speaker 5: guys you just mentioned as possible. But like this is
Speaker 5: a this is you have to The Jets have to
Speaker 5: get this right. Whatever they do, they have to get
Speaker 5: it right.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying, Baldy, I wanted to ask you this.
Speaker 1: With that being said, just because the Jets have the
Speaker 1: seventh overall selection and they need a quarterback doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean if they stay there they should take a quarterback
Speaker 1: at seven.
Speaker 3: Well, they should take.
Speaker 5: I can't say that they should take a quarterback at
Speaker 5: seven if it's no matter what, just because there's a
Speaker 5: quarterback on the board at seven and there will be
Speaker 5: that you should take them.
Speaker 3: You have to take them if.
Speaker 5: You if the organization completely is an agreement that this
Speaker 5: is a guy to build around, and they'll know a
Speaker 5: lot from the visits and pro days and sitting down
Speaker 5: with him if he's the guy. But it's the most
Speaker 5: important thing that Darren Moodie's gonna do here in his
Speaker 5: first year is to identify that player whoever would you know,
Speaker 5: whether it's Start or mil Row or Leonard whatever, like
Speaker 5: that's he's gonna be getting measured by that. Right with
Speaker 5: Pop Nix.
Speaker 2: Hey, we got Mons ahead that he's discussed in the draft.
Speaker 1: But some pundits have pegged defensive tackle Mason Graham for
Speaker 1: the Jets there at number seven, and you've been talking
Speaker 1: about that Philadelphia defensive line. That'd be an interesting pairing
Speaker 1: up front on the interior, Graham next to quinnin Williams.
Speaker 3: Well, not just Graham, but I was in Mobile.
Speaker 5: I think this is the deepest and best defensive tackle
Speaker 5: draft we've seen a long time.
Speaker 3: Like there's gonna be you can find him you know,
Speaker 3: was every round.
Speaker 5: But you could look at Darius Alexander Toledo, who had
Speaker 5: an unbelievable final year, didn't do a whole lot before that,
Speaker 5: but big, strong, twitchy like there's and they come in
Speaker 5: they're three hundred and forty five pounds, they're two hundred
Speaker 5: and ninety five pounds.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 5: There's pass rushers, some better than others. There's run stuffers
Speaker 5: like you can get. In fact, I believe that there's
Speaker 5: gonna be a team that's gonna draft two defensive tackles
Speaker 5: in this draft. It's just that deep right now. And
Speaker 5: so it's a good it's a good position if you're.
Speaker 1: Looking for and after everybody just watched the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: I would think that everybody's going to be lowing up
Speaker 1: along that defensive lot.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean even if you look at, say, I
Speaker 5: thought the most improved player in this league.
Speaker 3: This year was Nolan Smith of the Eagles.
Speaker 5: You didn't start. I mean, they had Bryce Hoff for
Speaker 5: the first six weeks. Didn't work out. But by the
Speaker 5: time Nolan Smith got on the field and you watched
Speaker 5: week the week like he had sex in every postseason game,
Speaker 5: he blew up, He knocked guards out of the game.
Speaker 3: Like his ability to strike and really bring heat off.
Speaker 5: The edge is almost second to nobody in this whole
Speaker 5: business right now. But drafted develop He's the thirties pick
Speaker 5: of the draft and here is in the second year.
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be elite player like Jackson. Like
Speaker 5: if you look at you know, some of these other
Speaker 5: players that they drafted, they all developed. So you know,
Speaker 5: Clinton Hurt, the defense line coach, did a great job,
Speaker 5: you know, really identifying these guys.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you about the new regime.
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn, Darren Mugie Glenn, I tweeted this the other day.
Speaker 1: I saw this in an article written by Dan Watson,
Speaker 1: and I loved it. Everybody doesn't fit with what we
Speaker 1: do because not everybody can take it.
Speaker 2: It's for the tough, it's for the grinders, it's for
Speaker 2: the gritty.
Speaker 1: It's for the guys who want to improve on a
Speaker 1: day to day basis, and you are never satisfied this guy.
Speaker 1: That's some sweet music for you, Baldy, and tell us
Speaker 1: your thoughts at Aaron Glenn coming back here to the Jets.
Speaker 5: I'm excited about to hire because of the things that
Speaker 5: he stands for. And there's gonna be zero tolerance, you know,
Speaker 5: for everything from from being late to lack of effort
Speaker 5: to not be in the training room.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's gonna you're gonna be held accountable.
Speaker 5: And like, I don't think you're gonna get a lot
Speaker 5: of fiery speeches at Aaron Glenn. But I think the
Speaker 5: big thing is I got to see development from the
Speaker 5: classroom to the offseason walkthroughs, to the practice field to
Speaker 5: the game. I got to see players develop. Like player
Speaker 5: development is music to my ears. And that's coaching, and
Speaker 5: that's teaching, that's demanding, that's never being satisfied. That's finding
Speaker 5: those type of players that are never satisfied. You hurt
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes on the stand after the game, after the
Speaker 5: defastating loss, saying, this one's gonna stay with me a
Speaker 5: long time. I'm never gonna forget this. I'm never gonna
Speaker 5: forget this day. And that's fuel going into the offseason
Speaker 5: for Patrick Bull. But those are the players you want
Speaker 5: that they're never gonna be satisfied.
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn is gonna be no bs, gonna demand accountability,
Speaker 1: gonna make sure that these guys know what the standard is.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I also think he's gonna
Speaker 1: know when to love the players up as well.
Speaker 5: Would you, yeah, knock him down. Knock him down, You
Speaker 5: can't do that. Everybody is wired a little bit different.
Speaker 5: You motivate different players differently as you get to know
Speaker 5: your players. The master of all time was Bill Parcells,
Speaker 5: but you know he everybody wanted to become a Parcels guy.
Speaker 5: But he didn't just give you love like you had
Speaker 5: to earn it, you know. And so I think Aaron
Speaker 5: understands a lot of that part of it. But yes,
Speaker 5: there's gonna be that part of it too. There's gonna
Speaker 5: be camaraderie.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be team building, There's gonna be a chance
Speaker 3: to enjoy it.
Speaker 5: It's not gonna just be a grind and knock you down.
Speaker 5: There's gonna be the other part to it. You can
Speaker 5: push and you can pull. There's a little fine dance
Speaker 5: the coaches.
Speaker 1: Let's go rapid fire on some of these coaching editions,
Speaker 1: starting with the coordinator Steve Wilts. He's been known to
Speaker 1: be quite aggressive. Aaron Glen was aggressive as a defensive
Speaker 1: play caller himself.
Speaker 2: In Detroit.
Speaker 1: We saw that both these guys like to blitz WALDI,
Speaker 1: what do you think about a g adding the experience Wilts, Well.
Speaker 3: Steve's got a lot of experience.
Speaker 5: You know, he's been a head coach, he's been a coordinator,
Speaker 5: He's done all those things. So he's been in those
Speaker 5: shoes that can help. Aaron got a great deal learned
Speaker 5: from some of the mistakes Steve been made in his
Speaker 5: one year or whatever. But I think it's a good hire. Look,
Speaker 5: the aggressiveness is fine. The Eagles didn't blitz once in
Speaker 5: a Super Bowl, not one time, all right, their front
Speaker 5: four dominated the game. So there's a time not just
Speaker 5: because you blitzed because you had to in Detroit, because
Speaker 5: you lost some pass.
Speaker 3: Rushers and you were forced to do it or whatever.
Speaker 5: Steaks Steve's past is, but doesn't mean that you have
Speaker 5: to do that.
Speaker 3: You have to play to your players strengths.
Speaker 5: And so you know they're gonna get Johnson back on
Speaker 5: the defensive line, you know, to go with the development
Speaker 5: of Will and quitin like they might be able to
Speaker 5: do a lot with just their front.
Speaker 1: Pol Tanner Angstrand comes over from the Detroit Lions. He's
Speaker 1: the passing game coordinator under Ben Johnson. There first time
Speaker 1: play caller, but you also have some experience right next
Speaker 1: to him and Scott Turner, a former offensive coordinator himself.
Speaker 3: And Scott Turner the son of Door Tournament.
Speaker 5: So, I mean there's a long line of lineage there
Speaker 5: about how to protect the quarterback play action passes. The
Speaker 5: quarterback is gonna be under center. It's not going to
Speaker 5: be a shotgun offense. There's certain things that you know
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: Detroit had an elite personnel, all right, elite offensive line,
Speaker 5: Pro bowlers along the offense line. Like, there's a lot
Speaker 5: to work with there in Detroit. So the Jets are
Speaker 5: not there yet talent wise. That's you know, Darren's job,
Speaker 5: that's Aaron Glenn's job, you know, to start building.
Speaker 3: The wall in front of whatever the quarterback is gonna be.
Speaker 5: They had a pure pocket quarterback, you know, in Jared
Speaker 5: Goff the last three years.
Speaker 3: They knew where he was gonna be every play.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of creativity to the offense, which is
Speaker 5: fine once you established what the offense is.
Speaker 3: Like, I think you've.
Speaker 5: Got to establish, Okay, we're gonna be under center twenty
Speaker 5: five thirty percent of the time. Play actual pass is
Speaker 5: gonna be a big part of it. We're gonna take
Speaker 5: our shots. Here's how we're gonna do it. Here's how
Speaker 5: we're gonna max protect. Like there's a playbook there that's
Speaker 5: in existence, but it's all based on what your talent is.
Speaker 1: That's one of those things ag was asked about about, Hey,
Speaker 1: do you like some of the talent here? And one
Speaker 1: of the things, in terms of the comparison with Detroit,
Speaker 1: he said, hey, listen, when we got in there and
Speaker 1: we started rolling, he pointed to that offensive line.
Speaker 5: I mean, Pine Seol's first team on Pro Frank Ragnow
Speaker 5: is an on pro center.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I mean, they they they built their wall. They invested
Speaker 5: heavily in it, you know. I mean they went out
Speaker 5: got Kevin Zeidler in free agency, who's been a stud
Speaker 5: right guard. You know, Taylor Deco was the first round
Speaker 5: picket left tackle. I mean, they invested over way before honestly,
Speaker 5: Dan Campbell got there, they'd already invested in the line.
Speaker 5: But you know, I remember when Pine Sewell was drafted.
Speaker 5: Do we go get an elite receiver or do we
Speaker 5: go the elite right tackle? You know, they made the
Speaker 5: right choice in getting Peney, you know, and then you know.
Speaker 5: They they they had a good backfield, you know, and
Speaker 5: they decided to go away from DeAndre Swift, you know,
Speaker 5: and they went out and got themselves, you know, and
Speaker 5: drafted an elite player at Alabama in the first round
Speaker 5: and said, we want a home run hitter, you know,
Speaker 5: at running backs. So they rebuilt their running back room.
Speaker 5: I mean, they made some bold moves that a lot
Speaker 5: of teams. I mean, Teul Picklin's on the running back
Speaker 5: seems far fetched these days, but it was.
Speaker 1: You can do that when you have an elite offensive line.
Speaker 1: He's a perfect fit in that offense. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about Chris Banjo because I know you
Speaker 1: were doing baldy breakdowns on him when he was a player,
Speaker 1: only thirty four years old.
Speaker 2: He comes over from Denver. A lot of connections here.
Speaker 1: When you look at the staff, you can say, okay,
Speaker 1: Mike west Off obviously he played for AG in that
Speaker 1: defensive backfield when he was in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: But that guy had a NonStop motor. He's going to
Speaker 2: bring energy into the building.
Speaker 5: Well, you got to have it at that position. I mean,
Speaker 5: you just got to. I mean, it's just important. It's
Speaker 5: just important to be able to do that to energize
Speaker 5: a franchise. And so I think the one thing that
Speaker 5: I've noticed, you know, whether it's Drake Blig like Aaron's
Speaker 5: bringing a lot of.
Speaker 3: Former players in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, keeping on Jefferson was a good move at wide receiver,
Speaker 5: like I think Detroit had Hank Fraley, they had former
Speaker 5: players on their staff.
Speaker 3: And I'm a big proponent of it.
Speaker 5: I mean, players have to decide if they want to coach,
Speaker 5: the commitment to it. Aaron obviously made that commitment as
Speaker 5: a player, rose through the ranks here as the head coach,
Speaker 5: and I think I wouldn't be surprised to see some
Speaker 5: of these position coaches.
Speaker 3: Rise to become not just coordinators, but head coaches.
Speaker 5: Like I think there's a part of him that wants
Speaker 5: to You saw what Dan Campbell's douge with Ben Johnson,
Speaker 5: Aaron Glenn like part of it you've seen, honestly, you
Speaker 5: know Nick Sirianna do it, Aaron, Andy Reid do it.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 5: Part of it is if you're a great teacher, it's
Speaker 5: just not the players, it's the coaches as well.
Speaker 3: Coaching the coaches is a big part of it.
Speaker 5: And I'm I'm kind of anxious to see how many
Speaker 5: of these coaches get to that level where they become
Speaker 5: top coordinators, top lieutenants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if we do have a Detroit situation on
Speaker 1: our hands here at one Jets Drive. You know, the
Speaker 1: Green and White had a lot of success with Aaron.
Speaker 1: Let's end here. Jet's got to get the quarterback position, right.
Speaker 2: We know that.
Speaker 1: But as far as Aaron, now that he's got a
Speaker 1: staff complete it in Darren Mugi, what do they got
Speaker 1: to do over the next couple months Because ultimately, these
Speaker 1: guys are going to be on the practice field and
Speaker 1: they got to look up and down that roster too,
Speaker 1: because some guys externally people might say, well, that's a
Speaker 1: talented dude, he'll be there. Well, not necessarily, because these
Speaker 1: guys are going to put their stamp and they also
Speaker 1: want certain characteristics in their players.
Speaker 5: And they deserve that right to look for those things.
Speaker 5: So honestly, going back and combing the seventeen games this
Speaker 5: year is a priority and just identifying their type of players,
Speaker 5: getting to know the players right now as quickly as
Speaker 5: they can. Some guys are rehabbing, some guys are still
Speaker 5: in the facility, whatever, but they got to get to
Speaker 5: the other players because they have decisions to make about
Speaker 5: free agency. They got decisions to make about players that
Speaker 5: are gonna be part of this future, not gonna be
Speaker 5: part of the future, whether it's a guy like DeVante Adams,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, whatever it is, I believe that
Speaker 5: you should start with youth and young players in young Town.
Speaker 3: Jermaine Johnson coming back is gonna be part.
Speaker 5: Seeing the development of Will McDonald is good, you know,
Speaker 5: but I want to you know, seeing you know, you know,
Speaker 5: what they did at certain linebacker linebackers this year, what
Speaker 5: they've done, Like, I think you've got to start identifying
Speaker 5: players that are gonna be part of this regime.
Speaker 3: Whether you're gonna pay them.
Speaker 5: You know, or you know, or whether they're gonna be
Speaker 5: one year deals or whether they're gonna be jennisons Like
Speaker 5: these are critical decisions as you start to build your
Speaker 5: new ninety man roster.
Speaker 1: This is awesome, as always, a dawn of a new
Speaker 1: day here for the New York Jets will be going
Speaker 1: in a different direction at the quarterback position under Aaron
Speaker 1: Glenn and Darren Mougi.
Speaker 2: Hey, Matt, and thanks for bringing the pipes out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me just say one thing finished with this
Speaker 5: because I've heard you know, the Jets obviously do not
Speaker 5: have a great history, right, you know, in recent history
Speaker 5: it's not been great. We've seen turnover front office coaches.
Speaker 5: But just because it hasn't been good, doesn't I want
Speaker 5: Aaron Glenn to get every opportunity and every optimistic opportunity
Speaker 5: to turn this thing around. He deserves that. He's earned that,
Speaker 5: And so as an outsider like, I don't care what
Speaker 5: happened to Robert Sala or anybody else that's been coming
Speaker 5: through those doors, Joe Douglas, like, I'm a fan of
Speaker 5: some of those guys. But Aaron Glenn, Darren Mugie deserved
Speaker 5: the opportunity to get this thing right, and they deserve
Speaker 5: every opportunity. It might not happen this year, but they
Speaker 5: gave that opportunity to Buffalo after a bunch of coaching changes,
Speaker 5: and they got it right.
Speaker 3: The Jets deserve a chance, and Aaron deserves a chance
Speaker 2: To get this Inside of my friend,