1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Happy weekend. 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 2: I hope you're having a lovely, lovely Saturday wherever you 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: are in the world. We're gonna jump back in time 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: to June six, twenty seventeen to talk about Sela cants, 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: how Cela cants work. What in the world is a 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 2: Cela cant? I think I kind of remember. Check it 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: out right now. 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 4: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 4: Charles W. Chuck Bryant, Jerry, Jerome Roland, just the whole 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 4: house Stuff Works Gang here to present to you Stuff 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 4: you should. 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 1: Know, all three of us. How you doing. I'm good? Yeah, yeah, 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: Oh I'm a little caffeinated. 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 4: I should warn you, oh a little bit, like when 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 4: teeth are to just come right out of my face. 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: That's not good. 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: You know, we did a video about Cela cants one time. 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, like was it this day in history about when 20 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 4: they were discovered? 21 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I ran across because it smacked as familiar to me. 22 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: And you know, the constant fear we have of recording 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: an entire podcast over is sort of always there. 24 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, the fear that sometimes comes true. 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I definitely went back and looked, and I 26 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: was like, I knew he did something. 27 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, we were trapped in a shipping container. 28 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: Right, I didn't watch it. I didn't either. 29 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 4: Enough to say, oh, yeah I remember that one. Yeah, 30 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 4: that really weird, weird thing we did. 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: But this is really cool. I think I do too. 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 4: Cela cants were well, they're interesting, despite what the house 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 4: Stuff Works article. 34 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: Would lead you to believe. 35 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: Oh it was, Yeah, it was a little thin, wasn't 36 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: it a little bit? It was all right, okay, but 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: luckily the rest of the Internet is. 38 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: There for us. 39 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 4: Right, thanks especially to Smithsonian and Mental floss for this one. 40 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that mental Flass article is kind of neat, 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: actually it was. 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 4: So you want to go back to the beginning, actually 43 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 4: the second beginning maybe. 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: Oh, well, I don't know what you're talking about now, so. 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 4: Just okay, well follow me. We'll go back to the 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: very beginning. We'll go back to something about four hundred 47 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 4: million years ago, okay, during the Devonian period, which is 48 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 4: aka the Rise of the fish, Yes, the Age of 49 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: the Fish. Right, And in this Devonian period there's a 50 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 4: lot a lot of stuff going on. Things have been 51 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 4: swimming around for a while on Earth. There's a nice 52 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 4: atmosphere that's developed. The things in the ocean are starting 53 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 4: to say, oh, what's out there? I want to see 54 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 4: what's on land? 55 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want can just crawl out and see. 56 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to taste clover. So they start trying. 57 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 4: And during this period there was the progression from the 58 00:02:59,040 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 4: sea to the lane. 59 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 60 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 4: And one of those things that was starting to develop 61 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 4: legs to get onto land was called the Cela canth. 62 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, which A it means hollow spine, which is we'll 63 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: get to there's a reason for that. And B it's 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 2: spelled ceo E l A c A n t h, 65 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: which is, you know, not how you would think it 66 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: might be spelled. 67 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: No or pronounced rather right, either one. But it's Cela camp. 68 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: It is Cela camp. 69 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: And what it is is a fish that is, like 70 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: you said, been around for a long long time. It's 71 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: kind of funny looking, and we'll get into all the 72 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: physical characteristics that make it unusual in a sect, but 73 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: it is notable mainly for the fact that everyone thought 74 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: it was gone forever until it was suddenly discovered. This 75 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: thing that that swam with the dinosaurs was discovered anew 76 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: in the nineteen thirties, right, and then again a little 77 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: bit later on. 78 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, because it was it pops up for the first 79 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 4: time around four hundred and seven million years ago, I think, 80 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 4: I said, and then it just drops off eighty million 81 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 4: years ago. So they said, well, a lot of stuff 82 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: went the way of the dinosaur around the time the 83 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 4: dinosaurs went away, so that's probably what happened to the 84 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 4: Cela canth So it was quite a big surprise. In 85 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 4: the nineteen thirties when a trawler that was out fishing, 86 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: a trawler called the Narreen which is captained by Hendrik 87 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 4: Goosen off the coast of South Africa, came in and 88 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 4: as was Captain Goosen's wont he contacted the director of 89 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 4: the local museum in East London, a woman named Miss 90 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 4: Marjorie Courtney Latimer, and she used to come over and 91 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: look at the fish loads this guy would bring in 92 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: because they were buddies. Yeah, And he gave her a 93 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 4: call like normal and said, I got a load, you 94 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: want to come look at it? And she was like, 95 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: it's two days before Christmas and is blazing hot out. 96 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 4: Don't forget we're in South Africa at the time, huh. 97 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: And she's like, I. 98 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 4: Don't feel like it, but the world was saved. The 99 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 4: world of ichthyology was saved this day. Yeah, because this lady, 100 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 4: Marjorie Courtney Latimer was so nice that she decided to 101 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 4: go look at the fish anyway, just to wish the 102 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 4: captain and his crew a merry Christmas. 103 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: So she takes a look at this fish. 104 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 2: And here is her quote as she recounted. It wasn't 105 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: her quote at the time or quote at the time. 106 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: It's probably a South African explative, right, but she said later, 107 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: I picked away the layers of slime to reveal the 108 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: most beautiful fish I had ever seen. And of course 109 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: only a fish lover can find this thing truly beautiful, Yeah, 110 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: because it's kind of ugly it is. It was five 111 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: feet long, a pale mauve blue with faint flecks of 112 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: whiter spots. It had an iridescent silver blue green sheen 113 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: all over. It was covered in hard scales, and it 114 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: had four limb like fins and a strange little puppy 115 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: dog tail. Not literally, of course, it was such which 116 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: would be great, though actually it did. 117 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: That's the dogfish that has that. 118 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: It was such a beautiful fish, more like a big 119 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: China ornament. But I didn't know what it was. And 120 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 2: it was pretty faithful that she was called in to 121 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: look at this thing, because it ended up being one 122 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 2: of the most important zoological finds of you know, history, 123 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: probably of the. 124 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: Twentieth century at least. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, this woman's curiosity, 125 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 4: something in her said, this is weird, this is unusual, 126 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 4: this is this is something worth looking into. So she 127 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 4: took it with her. This thing was like five feet long, 128 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 4: just under two meters, about one hundred and how many pounds. 129 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty seven pounds. This is a. 130 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 4: Significant fish, Yeah, and Mss Courtney Latimer talked her way 131 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 4: into a cab with it. 132 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: She took a cab back. 133 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 4: To the East London Museum with this fish stuffed in 134 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 4: the back seat, and she took it to the taxidermist 135 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 4: and had it stuffed. Unfortunately, the taxidermist wasn't completely aware 136 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: of how to preserve a fish for identification and threw 137 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 4: out the skeleton and the gills, which are what you 138 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 4: need for. 139 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: The idea fish. 140 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: Apparently, well, she probably should have said something, well, she like, 141 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: this is no ordinary mount. 142 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, she probably should have, or maybe she did, 143 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: and he just ignored her. 144 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 4: He's like, I'm not going to get boss drawn by 145 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 4: a woman's nineteen thirty eight. So she contacts a guy 146 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 4: named J. L. B. Smith, who is an ichthyologist. He's 147 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: the head of the ichthyology department at a university in 148 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 4: Grahamstown and PhD in chemistry. He's a smart guy and 149 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 4: he's the the local fish expert as far as she knows. 150 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and their pals and so she said, hey, I've 151 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: got this weird looking fish. And then Smith his quote 152 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: was I told myself sternly not to be a fool, 153 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: but there was something about that sketch, and apparently it 154 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: was sketch. 155 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: She sent him a sketch of the fish to begin with. 156 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that seized upon my imagination and told me that 157 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: this was something very far beyond the usual run of 158 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: fishes in our seas. 159 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: And luckily, even though. 160 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: The fish was, I guess mounted in a traditional form, which, 161 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: like you said, takes away, it's how you can identify it, 162 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: she was able to preserve some of the scales, and 163 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: somehow from these scales he was able to say, this 164 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 2: is a cola cant seala cant Well, that's what he said. 165 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: At first, and she went his pronounced seala cant. 166 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 4: He's like, oh, apparently, he said when he saw that 167 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 4: scale and I and identified it positively as a seala cant. 168 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: His quote was, if I'd met a dinosaur in the street, 169 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 4: I't have been more astonished. 170 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: I like that guy, a little hyperbole there, but I 171 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: like it. 172 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 4: So he I mean, this is seriously, this is like 173 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 4: the zoological find of the century and would be for 174 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 4: the next sixty something years. Right, So he very magnanimously says, 175 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 4: you know what, I'm going to name this thing after you, 176 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 4: and he named it as a new species, Latimeria chilumnae, 177 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 4: because well, obviously her name is Courtney Latimer. Yeah, Courtney 178 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: hyphen Latimer. 179 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: Yes. 180 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 4: And it was found in the Chilumna River at the 181 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,599 Speaker 4: mouth of it where it hits the coast off of 182 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 4: the eastern coast of South Africa. 183 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: So that's a great name. 184 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 4: It's perfect. Yeah, it really puts it in a place 185 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 4: in time. 186 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: So they have now discovered this thing, they realize that 187 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: they have a big find on their hands. They thought 188 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: this thing had long been extinct by tens of millions 189 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: of years, and so they started to research and you know, 190 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 2: trying to learn more about this fish. 191 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is no ordinary fish. 192 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 4: No, but I mean this was so this was nineteen 193 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 4: thirty eight, right, Yeah, and it was the only one 194 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 4: that had been found for another sixty years. 195 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. 196 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 4: I mean there's only so much you can find from 197 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: a stuffed fish. But it did prove because it had 198 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: been caught alive. It wasn't like they pulled up a 199 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 4: fossil or a dead fish. It had been alive when 200 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 4: it was caught. 201 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 202 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: I think it was attached to another fish. Oh, really, 203 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: like potentially trying to eat it. Oh, okay, which is 204 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: one of the well, not unusual but interesting things about 205 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: the Sela camp is that it's it eats meat. 206 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of unusual things about the Cela camp. Yeah. 207 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 4: So fast forward another sixty years exactly in Indonesia, which 208 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 4: is on the other side of the Indian Ocean, the 209 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 4: eastern side of the Indian Ocean. It was actually first 210 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 4: seen in nineth ninety seven by a biologist named Mark 211 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 4: Erdman who was in Indonesia doing his PhD dissertation, and 212 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: he saw a Cela cant in the market. 213 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's a cela. 214 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 4: Can't what's that doing here? So apparently he put a 215 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 4: bit of a bounty out on it with the locals, 216 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 4: and within a year, by nineteen ninety eight, they had 217 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 4: brought him a freshly caught one. 218 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is quite a task. 219 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's finding a once thought extinct fish. Yeah, it's 220 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: a big one. Well, and we'll get to a little 221 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 4: bit why. It's even tougher than you would think too. 222 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: Sure. So the one that Erdman found was brown, right, Yeah, 223 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: it was a little bit different color. 224 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 4: Right, the one like Courtney Latimer described, those are known 225 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 4: to be like steel blue. This is brown, a little 226 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 4: smaller than the one that Courtney Latimer found. And so 227 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 4: eventually when Erdman got his hands on that one, he 228 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 4: described it as a new species. 229 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 230 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: I mean, it turns out that at one point, you know, 231 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of years ago, there were you know, 232 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: potentially over one hundred different varieties of this fish, and 233 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: they came in all shapes and sizes. These obviously were 234 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: pretty big, but there were some that were smaller and faster. 235 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 2: Basically just kind of a wide variety. And as far 236 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: as we know, I think, are these the only two 237 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: known survivors? 238 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: Yes, so far? 239 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, the one that Corney Latimer founder known as the 240 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 4: West Indian Ocean Seala camp those are the blue ones. 241 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 4: They're typically found off of the west, you know, the 242 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,479 Speaker 4: east coast of Africa, south of Kenya, I believe, yeah, 243 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: down to about the Cormeros Islands. I think that's they're 244 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 4: actually also known as the Cormeroos Islands sela cant because 245 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 4: there's that's that seems to be where they inhabit the 246 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 4: most or the highest density of them is Yeah. 247 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: And some of the weird some of the weirdos that 248 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: have well, we assume that they've been extinct, but you 249 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: never know. One of them was toothless and over ten 250 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: feet long. That was the megalo se Lacanthus very appropriately 251 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 2: some of them said, forget you, ocean, I'm going to 252 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: go to the fresh water. 253 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: So there were actually freshwater selacants at one time. 254 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: And like I said, some of them were slow and 255 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 2: ambushed prey somewhere smaller and faster. But they've pretty much 256 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: universally all been predators from what I've seen. 257 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 4: Right, And the two species that are alive today that 258 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 4: we know of are aside from that megalis Selacanth tend 259 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 4: to be a little bigger than the extinct species. Yeah, 260 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 4: which I read is a good it's a good example 261 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 4: of why they shouldn't be called living fossils, which is 262 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 4: what they're frequently called. 263 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Darwin's term for something that basically never changed. 264 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 2: And they've actually studied the genome of the selacant and 265 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: found that they very much haven't changed. And the kind 266 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: of the main reason is they haven't had to. They've 267 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: kind of stayed in the same places. And when you 268 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: say in the same places and you eat the same stuff, 269 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: then maybe you don't change so much. 270 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: Read. 271 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 4: I read the opposite of that that they have changed 272 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 4: enough that they that they have been evolving, and a 273 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 4: good example of that is that they're bigger than they 274 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 4: used to be. 275 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: Oh interesting. 276 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, but the two species that are alive today, they 277 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 4: have traced their genomes back and decided that they've been 278 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 4: separated for several million years at least. 279 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, this one, they finally got the full genome and 280 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: they said that it does indeed match the fish's appearance 281 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: of slower evolution, and a journal published in Nature because 282 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: they have a slower rate of substitution. 283 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: Gotcha. 284 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: Basically, she's the the doctor. 285 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I guess she is a doctor. Just sounded 286 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: weird to say that. 287 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: The doctor the researcher who was also a doctor, Yeah, 288 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: who was She said it may reflect the fact that 289 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: they do not need to evolve quickly because they've lived 290 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: in relatively unchanging environment where there are a few predators, 291 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: and they basically haven't needed to change over time like 292 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: other organisms. 293 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 4: Well, that brings up another thing too. There's a big 294 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 4: question why would they just drop off of the fossil 295 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 4: record if they've been around this whole time, if they 296 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 4: didn't just go extinct eighty or sixty five million years ago. 297 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: The only explanation I've seen is that the places where 298 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: the fossils turned up were areas conducive to fossilization, Like 299 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 4: there's a lot of sentiment that could turn bone into rock, 300 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 4: and then the areas that the living species live at 301 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 4: now are not conducive to that kind of thing, possibly 302 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 4: because they're mostly living around volcanic rock that doesn't necessarily 303 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 4: produce fossils. 304 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: You want to take a break, Yeah, let's take a break, 305 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: go back and talk a little bit about this funny fish. 306 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 3: Sevy shit. 307 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: All right, So we've talked a little bit about what 308 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: makes the Sela camp such a interesting critter. 309 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: Can a critter be a fish? Yeah? 310 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 4: Have you heard of the cuddlefish? That's a critter if 311 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 4: there ever. 312 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: Was, Yeah, a cuddly critter. So here are some remarkable 313 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: things about the Cela camp. They can live as deep 314 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: I mean they're deep water dwellers. They can live as 315 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: deep as two thousand or more feet, but generally they 316 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: think the I think they generally live about five hundred 317 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: to eight hundred feet and what they call the twilight zone, right, which. 318 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: Is still pretty deep. 319 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 4: Remember our cave episode, Yeah, that had the same thing. 320 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 4: Remember there was like organisms that live in the dark, 321 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 4: organisms that live in the twilight zone, and organisms that 322 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 4: live in the lighted zone. Yeah, these guys live in 323 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 4: that threshold between light and dark and the ocean. And 324 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 4: they apparently are nocturnal hunters. 325 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, they come out at night, kind of stay hidden. 326 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 2: Most of these habitats are caves, right, that they tend 327 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: to stay in. But there's one off of Tasmania that 328 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: do not live in caves, and so they have officially 329 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: been placed on an endangered list because they don't have 330 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: the protection from bycatch that these other cave dwellers have. 331 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: Right, that makes sense. 332 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, So the average day or in the life of 333 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 4: Azila canth or at least the cave dwelling species, they'll 334 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 4: you know, during the day time, they're hanging out in 335 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 4: a cave. They'll hang out in a cave with I've 336 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 4: seen between up to twelve to sixteen other sela camps. 337 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, have a little coffee, Yeah, maybe just talk. 338 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, talk about their night and then as 339 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 4: night falls, they'll leave their caves and they they'll go hunting. 340 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 4: And like you said, they're carnivorous predators. They do that 341 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 4: passive bycatch thing for the most part right where they 342 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 4: let the current bring the food to them. 343 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: But they. 344 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 4: Just basically hang out and wait for a cuttlefish. It's 345 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 4: one thing. They eat, squids, other cephalopods, some fishes, but 346 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 4: they seem to not show aggression toward one another from 347 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 4: what I understand. 348 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, and while they are passive hunters, they do have 349 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 2: an unusual feature which is, like we said, one of many. 350 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: But they have what's called a rostral organ which just 351 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 2: means it's in the nasal region and their snout and 352 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 2: it's filled with a jelly like substance that they think, 353 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: and they think most of this stuff. I mean, they've 354 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: done a lot of good studying, but for something so rare, 355 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: you can't be super sure. But they think that it 356 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 2: detects low level electrical signals and frequencies from prey. 357 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, like a shark or a ray. Yeah. 358 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 4: It's an electro sensory organ where when living tissue contacts water, 359 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 4: it can make an electrical impulse that can be picked up. 360 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 361 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: And this cool Mental Floss article is I think eleven 362 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 2: eleven things about the sei loocanth. I can't remember how 363 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: it was put, but just eleven interesting features. 364 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 4: Eleven fishy facts was that it. 365 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: Unfortunately that's why I forgot it title aside, it's an 366 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 2: interesting article. And one of the things that they don't 367 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: know why they do, and I have a feeling it 368 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 2: has to do with that electrical frequency, is they'll swim 369 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 2: nose down for up to two full minutes, which is 370 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: weird for a fish. 371 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 4: They're just kind of hovering in place, head standing, right. 372 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I guess I mean, if they have 373 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: that nasal bag of jelly that helps them locate fish, 374 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: I would imagine that's what they're doing there. 375 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 4: Right, I imagine it like tonto, like holding a railroad track, 376 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 4: you know, Yeah, I think it's the same thing. 377 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: Basically, So. 378 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 4: When they catch their prey, they eat them, and they 379 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 4: can eat stuff that's way bigger than them because again, 380 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 4: which is this is unique to see the cants among 381 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 4: living things. They have a hinge in their cranium that 382 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: allows basically their head is convertible, the top of their 383 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 4: skull can retract, allowing their mouth to open really wide, 384 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 4: so they can eat a large, large cuttlefish. 385 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 386 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 2: And I think that feature also allows it to their 387 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: mouth to close with like much greater. 388 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: Force with extreme prejudice. 389 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, like when it's unhinged emotionally, and basically it can 390 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 2: really close that mouth super hard. 391 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 4: They hate themselves for eating cuttle fish, so they just 392 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 4: can't stop. 393 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: So those are just a couple of the features. 394 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: Another is, and we mentioned earlier that the name literally 395 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 2: translates into hollow spine. This is because they have what's 396 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: called a notochord, which is a hollow pressurized tube filled 397 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: with oil where a lot of fish start this way 398 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: and then they'll eventually get a spine. But this doesn't 399 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: go away. 400 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 4: Right, and not just fish vertebrates apparently there's a lot 401 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 4: of mammals that go through this, I think possibly even 402 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 4: humans in the embryo. 403 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: And the selacanther just says, I'm good with the notochord. 404 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 4: I'm going to stick here. Yeah, I'm going to stop here. 405 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: Which is strange. It is strange. You want to hear 406 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: some more stranges. I could do this all day. 407 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: Well, it's a strange fish. 408 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 4: Celacanth. We don't quite understand how they reproduce, and the 409 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 4: reason why is because males don't seem to have any 410 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 4: sex parts. 411 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: They don't have junk. 412 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 4: They think possibly males grow it when they need it, 413 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 4: but it's otherwise. It's it's not around the showers, right exactly. 414 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. 415 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 4: So we have no idea how they reproduce, but we 416 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 4: know that the mode of reproduction is called ovo viviparity, 417 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 4: which is, however the eggs that the female has get fertilized. 418 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 4: Once they're fertilized, they gestate or the eggs develop in 419 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 4: the female, and then they hatch in the female. Yeah, 420 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 4: and then the live fishes continue to gestate and like 421 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 4: the whole period lasts like three years before they're born. 422 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 4: So they go from egg to being hatched to being 423 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 4: born within a three year period, and so apparently this 424 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: does not make the mom. Sila can't very happy, and 425 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 4: sometimes she will try to eat her newborn pups. 426 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 427 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 4: So supposedly selacanth pups that's what they're called, can dive 428 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 4: really deep, very quickly the moment they're born, to get 429 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 4: away from mom, to get away from their mom, who's 430 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: like three years. 431 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, three years, paging doctor Freud. 432 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 433 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think sharks may be the only other fish 434 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: that give birth the live little ones. 435 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: Is that right? 436 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: I mean most fish lay eggs, right, so it's definitely unusual. 437 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it may not be unique. 438 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: But the other thing about their sexy time is there's 439 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: also a theory that they are monogamous. 440 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 441 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, a German team they had a couple 442 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 2: of corpses are too pregnant. I believe the African version, Yeah, 443 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: the Vladimir Chlumne and because what was I don't remember 444 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: what the other one was, it was Latimir something else. 445 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 2: For the Indonesian version. 446 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll just go with that for now. 447 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 4: I was practicing pronouncing it Latimera menadoensis. 448 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: Okay, wow, thanks, nice work. 449 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: So they analyze these two pregnant ladies unfortunately that we're 450 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 2: no longer with us. And they found out that they had, 451 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: like most definitely had a single father. 452 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, which they said was unusual. 453 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: Sure, because one of them had twenty six, twenty six 454 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: little baby pups inside. 455 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 4: Of her, right, And they they thought at first, well, 456 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 4: maybe it's because the celacanth is so rare that the 457 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 4: female wouldn't have opportunity to mate with more than one male. 458 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 4: And they said, well, wait a minute, well that's true. Well, no, 459 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: not necessarily. Once they found out that they stayed. 460 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: They hang out together. 461 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, in caves all day long. What else are you 462 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 4: going to do once general Hospital's over? Just looking around 463 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 4: at everybody, like, well, what do you want to do? 464 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. 465 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 2: All right, Well let's ponder that and take another break 466 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: and we'll finish up with even more interesting things about 467 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 2: the Seila. 468 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: Camp Sevy shit. 469 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 2: All right, so these guys have live babies. They might 470 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: mate with a single mate. Good a they have They 471 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: can unhinge their jaw to eat more. They have a 472 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: jelly filled thing in their. 473 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: Nastra that detects electricity, detects electricity. 474 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 4: I know I'm having trouble saying to text. 475 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: Uh what else? This is sort of a recap. 476 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 4: They have an oil filled spine. 477 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: Oil filled spine they're just good with. They're like, I 478 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: don't need a real spine. 479 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 4: This one's my favorite. They were long thought to be 480 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 4: the missing link between the fishes yea and the tetrapods, 481 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 4: which are land dwelling for lambed animals. 482 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, because a notable thing I don't think we mentioned 483 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 2: yet is this thing has well. I think I did 484 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: a quote from Miss Latimir Courtney Latimir. But they have 485 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: four fins that smooth, sort of like you would think 486 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: legs would move if a fish could swim out onto 487 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 2: the beach. 488 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: Legs and arms. Yeah. 489 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 4: Can you remember how Shaggy walked and Scooby Doo do 490 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 4: just like that. That's basically how a cila can't swim. Yeah, 491 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 4: And the fact that their fins are suspiciously arm like 492 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 4: in appearance just made people think that even more. What's more, 493 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 4: their arms, what are called lobes, are attached by a 494 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 4: bone that is compared to the humorous in humans. Yeah, 495 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 4: so a lot of people said, well, that's it. It's 496 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 4: the missing link. The celacanth is a missing link. Between 497 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 4: the fish and the land dwelling for limbed animals, and 498 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 4: apparently once the genome came around, he said, no. 499 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: It's a little disappointing. They said, yes, we're all related. 500 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 4: Technically, we are all what are known as sarcopterygians, okay, man, 501 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,959 Speaker 4: which means we are fleshy limb vertebrates. 502 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: So we're all that gross. 503 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 4: So we are related, but it's not like our direct ancestor. 504 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 4: In fact, we're more closely related to the lungfish than 505 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 4: the selacanth. But the celacanth holds its place of honor, 506 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 4: is probably living on something of its own branch, and 507 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 4: is a very close cousin, if not bro of the lungfish. 508 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 4: So we're related by marriage. 509 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: To the cela. 510 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 2: Can't say, but we legally we probably could marry a celacanth, sure, 511 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: and have it not be super creepy, right, except for 512 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: the fact that it's a fish. 513 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 4: Right, you feel it's a fleshy lobe thin stroking the 514 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 4: back of your head as you kiss it. 515 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: I got something for you that was I'm just walking 516 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: right past that one. They taste gross, so don't think 517 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 2: it's some weird delicacy, right, not? You know that there 518 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: are that many of them to eat, but apparently if 519 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: you do eat them, they can make you sick because 520 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: these things are filled with urea, with oil, with wax. 521 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: Ester and fat. Yeap, like ninety eight point five percent fat. 522 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: That's just an skull. Oh I thought that was the 523 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: whole body. 524 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 4: No, it's it's brain occupies one point five percent of 525 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 4: the area inside its skull. The other ninety eight point 526 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 4: five percent is fat. 527 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: And that's at the point that they're an adult, right. Yeah. 528 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 4: Supposedly their brains are bigger proportionately when they're younger. 529 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 2: And they just stay there. Yeah, they're frozen in perpetual 530 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: like I guess. 531 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: Toddlerhood pretty much. They love life. 532 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, no responsibilities, no bills. 533 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what else I got one for you, okay. 534 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 2: Prestigial lungs. 535 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man, I love these things. 536 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: So they grow. 537 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: They had CT scans done and this is from the 538 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: mental article of these embryos, and they start growing little 539 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: lungs early in the gestation period and it slows down 540 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 2: a bit, and then by the time they're an adult, 541 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: the organ serves no purpose. 542 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just there. Yep, that's a good one. It is. 543 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 4: It was It's almost like the ceilacanth was an attempt, 544 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 4: an evolutionary attempt, and it's just like, I'm gonna scrap 545 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 4: this design. 546 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: Let's move on to the lungfish. Yeah maybe so. You know. 547 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 4: One of the things that struck me though, Chuck, was 548 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 4: when they were talking about how a couple of females 549 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 4: that had fully formed young in them ready to be born. 550 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: Were caught. 551 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 4: It's like that was a lot of the Seila camp 552 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 4: population that got wiped out with those two caught fish. 553 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if there are only hundreds, then everyone matters. Yeah. 554 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 4: They think that there's possibly about a thousand of the 555 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 4: ones that live around Indonesia. 556 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: And far fewer of the ones. 557 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 4: That live off of the west coast of Africa on 558 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 4: the western side of the Indian Ocean, and as a result, 559 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 4: both of them are on the endangered species list. They're 560 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 4: both protected. The problem is is that if something happens 561 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 4: to these species and these species die out this time, 562 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 4: the whole order is gone for good this time around. Yeah, 563 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 4: unless we revide them with some of. 564 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: Their Yeah, all right, I got one last one and 565 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: this was on Mental Floss's list as well, under the 566 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: title A prominent hematologist once wrote a selacanth operetta, So 567 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: that's an attention grabber. Apparently in nineteen seventy five there 568 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: was a man named Charles Rand of Long Island University, 569 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: and he was a hematologist and was doing some work 570 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 2: with the celacanth, and this was when the big revelation 571 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: was they learned that it gave birth to live young 572 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 2: and he, I guess, was a music guy and decided 573 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: to write a little operetta about this discovery, titled a 574 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: Cela Camp's lament or Quintuplets at fifty fathoms can be 575 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: fun all song to the tune of various Gilbert and 576 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 2: Sullivan songs. 577 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: Right, that's a hematologist for you. Wow. Sure, I have 578 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: no comment on that. Well, I mean it speaks for itself, 579 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: other than I wish this was on tape somewhere. 580 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 4: Surely it's on YouTube. Everything's on YouTube, you think, Yeah, sure. 581 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 2: You want to go over some of these other quote 582 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: living fossils end quote. 583 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, so again there was there's some fishes out there 584 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 4: that may have made the jump kind of to land 585 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 4: or almost did, or what have you. 586 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: But there's there's. 587 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 4: Some interesting fishes that are worth mentioning. 588 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 2: Speaking of making the jump. Did you see that shark 589 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: that jumped into the boat the other day? No, there 590 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: was a fisherman and I guess the shark just did 591 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: you know one of their famous Uh there was a 592 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 2: great white Oh god, did one of its breeches where 593 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: they just jump out of the water. And this thing 594 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: did that and landed in a dude's fishing boat. 595 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: Wow. 596 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 2: And he he got banged around a little bit, but 597 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,239 Speaker 2: was not like, you know, a bitten or anything, and 598 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: basically went into his little control room, I think, and 599 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 2: called for help. And this shark like, I mean, it 600 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: was kind of sad. I think the chark just died. 601 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 2: But there were pictures of it. It's huge. It's like 602 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 2: eight feet long. Oh it's not a little guy. 603 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, can you imagine? No, my god, that guy did 604 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: the right thing. He ran. He pooped his pants too. Yeah. 605 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: I may have jumped into the water had that happened. 606 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: All right, So living fossils, the bowfin. 607 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, the dogfish, mudfish or grindle, I like dogfish. 608 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. This guy, I looked all these up. 609 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 2: He lives in the Mississippi River basin, in the Great 610 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: Lakes and other places and are pretty mean supposedly like 611 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 2: eats small mammals, snakes, frogs, other fish. Yeah, like they'll 612 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: go after you. Right, It's sort of normal looking, just 613 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: sort of a long fish. Nothing remarkable as appearance wise, though. 614 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 4: I'll tell you one that's remarkable appearance wise is the gar. 615 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, I just saw a long nosed gar. 616 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 2: They are so ugly last weekend and I was like, 617 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: it was floating dead in a lake. I was like, 618 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: what in the world. Because I went by it at first, 619 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: I was like, was that a swordfish? 620 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: Right? 621 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: Well, no, it's not a swordfish, right, but in the 622 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: long nose ones, I mean this thing had you had 623 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: a twelve inch beak? 624 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean it look prehistoric. 625 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, they very much do look prehistoric, which is one 626 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 4: of the reasons why they're called a living fossil. And 627 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 4: they are just mean. Apparently they're known to kill other fish, 628 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 4: even not even to eat them, yeah, just because they 629 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 4: were in their way. Basically like you see this nose. Yeah, 630 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 4: and you can't eat gar. They're inedible and as a 631 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 4: matter of fact, if you eat their eggs, it will 632 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 4: kill you. They're very toxic to humans yea. And they 633 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 4: just go around killing other fish, So they're not the 634 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 4: best thing to have in your lake if you like 635 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 4: the fish and a lake. 636 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 2: No, and they did you ever see Vernon, Florida the documentary? No, 637 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 2: I've never seen that one by the great Errol Morris. 638 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 2: It has one of the interviews, it's one of my favorites, 639 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 2: with guy talking about talking about the garfish. 640 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, I gotta see that one. Come across one 641 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: of those. 642 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 4: Oh boy, I finally saw a thin blue line for 643 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 4: the first time. 644 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a good one. It is really good. 645 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: You probably saw it after the parody of documentary, Now, yeah. 646 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 4: I definitely did. I saw the documentary now. 647 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: Which they nail like. It's like perfect. They really do. 648 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: One of the great shows. What's the next hagfish? Yeah, 649 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: mud dwellers. 650 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, they basically look like eels, but they're fish. But 651 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 4: the interesting thing about hagfish, aside from the fact that 652 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 4: they don't have any eyes, is that they eat fish 653 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:36,959 Speaker 4: from the inside out. 654 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 655 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: I think you underplayed it when you said they basically 656 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 2: look like eels. It looks like something out of Dune. Okay, 657 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 2: like the body looks like an eel, But have you 658 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: seen the front end of this thing? 659 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: Sure? It's frightening. Oh yeah. And to think about that 660 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: crawling up in you and eating it from the inside out. 661 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 4: Right, Because if you're dead or dying fish and you're like, 662 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 4: oh man, I hope I hurry up and die before 663 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 4: hagfish finds me. Yeah, and a hagfish swims down your 664 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 4: throat and then each you from the inside out. That's 665 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 4: a bad day. That's not a good death. 666 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 3: No. 667 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 4: And then lastly, what about the sturgeon. 668 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: I love the sturgeon. 669 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 4: Did you know that they they are both fresh water 670 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 4: and saltwater here in North America. 671 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 2: I did not know that. But I know one thing 672 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 2: is they're huge. 673 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, they get up to like twenty feet long. 674 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I didn't I didn't see any pictures of 675 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: in that big. But I've seen pictures of fishermen with 676 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 2: like sturgeon that look like they're at least eight or 677 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 2: nine feet long, right, and they're crazy looking. 678 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 679 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 4: Well, the reason I was surprised that they are largely 680 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 4: North America is I always associate them with the Baltic area, 681 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 4: where they they're The Beluga sturgeon is prized for its cavear. 682 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: I always think of I think sturgeon. 683 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 2: Well I didn't realize that that's where beluga came from either. Yeah, 684 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 2: and they have armor like skin and they're they're these 685 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 2: retractable mouths that I guess there are different varieties, but 686 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 2: some of them look almost like alligators from like the 687 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 2: head forward. 688 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're weird looking fish. Yeah, but they don't want 689 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 4: to hurt anybody. They just want you to eat their eggs. 690 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 4: Is that true? 691 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like the giving tree of the lake. All right, 692 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: up with sturgeon, you got anything else? I got nothing else. 693 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 4: But if you want to know more about living fossils, 694 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 4: like you know, sela, cants or us right, you can 695 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 4: type those words in the search bar at HowStuffWorks dot com. 696 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 4: And since I said search bar, it's time for a 697 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 4: listener mail. 698 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to call this my mom married Bob doro. Oh. 699 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: I like this one. You see that one, right? 700 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 2: And I thought it was because that was the subject line, right, 701 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: And then the very first line of the email was 702 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 2: sorry about that attention grabbing subject line, right, And I 703 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 2: thought it was a lie because a lot of times 704 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 2: people say something remarkable in the subject line that is 705 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 2: completely false, which always ticks me off. 706 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: Sure, but this is true. 707 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 2: My mom married the wonderful, talented and sweet Bob Doro 708 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 2: twenty three years ago. And if you didn't listen to 709 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 2: the show, Bob Dora was part of the genius behind 710 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 2: Schoolhouse Rock. 711 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: You know, the original genius. 712 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 2: It was wonderful to hear you, too, speak so highly 713 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 2: of him in your recent podcast. My own family listens 714 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 2: to you guys a lot, so to hear you speak 715 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 2: of our Bob with such reverence it warmed our hearts. 716 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 2: When you mentioned early in your podcast that you wished 717 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 2: you could have gotten Bob on the show, I wanted 718 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 2: to jump through my phone to say I can make 719 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,479 Speaker 2: that happen. Bob learned about you guys about two weeks 720 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 2: ago when we took a short road trip for Mother's 721 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 2: Day and listened to the Grave Robbing episode. How awesome 722 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 2: is that? 723 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 4: I know the guy listened to us right before we 724 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 4: released the Schoolhouse Rock episode. Yeah, so he was primed 725 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 4: and ready to hear us mention it fortuitous. 726 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 727 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 2: He chuckled often during the ride, and when we got 728 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 2: to our destination, he asked something to the effect of 729 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 2: who are those comedy guys? 730 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: They're good? Man. That made me feel good. 731 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 2: And then to have the Schoolhouse Rock episode pop up 732 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 2: a few weeks later. 733 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: It was like, whoa. 734 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 2: You guys were spot on in your characterization of Bob 735 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 2: as a creative genius. A lot of his genius comes 736 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 2: from his hard work. The age of ninety three, he 737 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 2: is still traveling the world taking gigs. 738 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 739 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 2: My mom often complains that he doesn't know how to 740 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 2: say no. Thank you for giving Bob in Schoolhouse rockets 741 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 2: proper due. 742 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: Next time you. 743 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 2: Come up the coast the northeast, that is, we'll be there, 744 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 2: and I'm sure Bob won't say no. And that is 745 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 2: from Pete, I guess his step son. Yeah, and Pete 746 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,760 Speaker 2: sending a picture of he and Bob and that's. 747 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: Him in the flesh. It's pretty awesome, pretty neat, And you. 748 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 2: Should go to www dot Bob doro ru gh dot 749 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 2: com and just check it out. 750 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: Ninety three and going strong, nice going, Bob. 751 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to us, and thank you Pete for 752 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 4: writing in to let us know that we were spot 753 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 4: on about what a great guy he is. 754 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were genuinely thrilled to hear this. 755 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want a annuinely thrill us, you can 756 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 4: send us an email to stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com. 757 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. 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