Speaker 1: Um okay Um podcast starts now. Hello intellectuals out there,
Speaker 1: my where my readers at. You are listening to Stradio
Speaker 1: lab Um, the smartest podcast that is UM. Two gay guys.
Speaker 1: You do not sound like you believe in what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Will let me just say that first of all, huh
Speaker 1: so now I'm supposed to believe in everything that I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, this is news to me. I thought this
Speaker 1: is entertainment and it's a facade and it's fake. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, today Scarlett Johansson launched a skincare line, and
Speaker 1: in her statement, she said, you know in the past
Speaker 1: that I've been the face of different things that I
Speaker 1: have not been my own. I felt like I was
Speaker 1: playing a character, and I felt like it was time
Speaker 1: to do something that really felt my own. And it
Speaker 1: made me think how crazy it is that her past
Speaker 1: spokesperson uh efforts had not been genuine. That's so disheartening.
Speaker 1: I mean to all the customers out there that bought
Speaker 1: a cream thinking I'm buying this because the real Starlett
Speaker 1: Johanson told me too, they deserve a refund. They do. Actually,
Speaker 1: we should do a class action lawsuit. That could be
Speaker 1: so big and the reasoning is that she didn't really
Speaker 1: believe in it. Yeah, I think there's something to it.
Speaker 1: It's false advertising, really, and isn't that illegal? I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that illegal. Isn't it interesting that by definition all
Speaker 1: advertising is false advertising? And why is that because it's
Speaker 1: um acting? You know? Sure? Sure, sure and not. I
Speaker 1: think if someone was what we need is really really
Speaker 1: self aware ads. We need no like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: hear me out, hear me out, because just to make
Speaker 1: sure it's not legally it's not false, like they need
Speaker 1: to be like, Hey, I'm doing this ad and I'm
Speaker 1: being paid this much money and I only believe in
Speaker 1: this product of this much um but that's like better
Speaker 1: than a lot of other products. And I actually, you know,
Speaker 1: so take this with a grain of salt. But I
Speaker 1: think you know, they're paying me to say this, but
Speaker 1: I think you should buy it, you know what? Though,
Speaker 1: Then that gets into I remember very specifically the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl ad with Anna Kendrick where she made a joke
Speaker 1: about she was like, oh, what you want me to
Speaker 1: advertise this beer? Like the whole joke was that she
Speaker 1: was getting ready to film the ad, but she didn't
Speaker 1: believe in it. And she was like, what a fine shirt,
Speaker 1: drink Newcastle beer. And I don't want that. I need
Speaker 1: people to commit. Well, so you want the fake you
Speaker 1: you think there's um the artifice is the beauty about
Speaker 1: to what I'll say, I think every ad should be
Speaker 1: kind of like a perfume ad, like a short film,
Speaker 1: you know, directed by Denny Vedneuve for instance. Sure you
Speaker 1: want someone to like repost the ad and just go mood, No,
Speaker 1: this is what I want. I want ads to be
Speaker 1: so fake that there's no confusion, Like when I watch
Speaker 1: a Perfume add and it's like someone it's like a
Speaker 1: it's you know, there was one where Adam Driver is
Speaker 1: riding a horse on the beach. I'm under I'm under
Speaker 1: no um delusion that I'm going to smell like Adam
Speaker 1: Driver or a horse or a beach for that matter.
Speaker 1: But I am just enjoying the visuals and I'm saying, well,
Speaker 1: they they kind of gave it, They're all I like that.
Speaker 1: So you think the ads should just be sort of
Speaker 1: colors and images and uh, and then they list what
Speaker 1: the product is at the very end. Maybe not even that.
Speaker 1: I would say, leave the leave the viewer wanting more
Speaker 1: I would say, as if you're watching let's you're watching, um,
Speaker 1: you know, an NBC sitcom, then ads should actually then
Speaker 1: the sitcom itself should be kind of lowest common denominator
Speaker 1: humor targeted towards the imaginary middle class family that executives
Speaker 1: are talking down to. Then you cut to the ads.
Speaker 1: It's all art films. I guess I'm confused why, because
Speaker 1: at what point do you like you have to even
Speaker 1: the perfume example, there is a you do know it's
Speaker 1: for perfume slightly Yeah, I guess that's true. So what's
Speaker 1: your So what are you saying? For many ideas, I
Speaker 1: just think it needs to be maybe more like um
Speaker 1: almost like a drag race challenge. It can still be
Speaker 1: completely nonsensical, but it does need to at some point
Speaker 1: list the product. Do you like humor in ads? Do
Speaker 1: I like humor in ads? This is a difficult and
Speaker 1: complicated question, and because at this stage in my life,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I think I think every ad should be
Speaker 1: as bland as possible. But you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: you ten year old Sam watching a funny ad, I'm
Speaker 1: all in. I I mean, that's where all comedy thrived
Speaker 1: was Skittles ads from you know, two thousand five or whatever.
Speaker 1: You've got to get them while they're young, and and
Speaker 1: and and convince kids to purchase products primarily sugar filled ones. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so that's a funny ad can can work if
Speaker 1: you're a child or a stunted adult, but as a
Speaker 1: fully formed, um completely perfectly developed adults, I don't need
Speaker 1: you to be funny to me. Just tell me what
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, Okay, So I want a series of
Speaker 1: art films, you want a series of kind of robotic
Speaker 1: voices saying please buy this product. Yeah, Because it's not
Speaker 1: that I don't want to buy products. There's plenty of
Speaker 1: products I loved, I love to buy. It's just tell
Speaker 1: me straightforward, is this a good product? Do I need it?
Speaker 1: And why? Okay, how are you feeling? How am I feeling? Um?
Speaker 1: You know? And this is tough. It's what we talk
Speaker 1: about sometimes. This is the weekday recording. So I feel
Speaker 1: like I am having to put so much effort into,
Speaker 1: say to saying a simple sentence. It's hard. Week days
Speaker 1: are hard to go straight from like really trying to
Speaker 1: focus and then being like okay, now be silly, now
Speaker 1: be now be dumb. It is I would say, I
Speaker 1: would say, I am. The effort I'm exerting right now
Speaker 1: to have just a normal conversation is more than you know,
Speaker 1: some people that have climbed Mount Everest. Yeah, they're lazy.
Speaker 1: In comparison, I would say, you can climb out Everest,
Speaker 1: But have you tried having a full time job and
Speaker 1: then recording a podcast after? It's actually much harder. People
Speaker 1: have died doing this. People have died doing what we're
Speaker 1: doing right now, and and yet we're still spout to
Speaker 1: do this. And by the way, we have no supervision.
Speaker 1: No one's sort of waiting to save us. There's no
Speaker 1: base camp, there's no intimacy coordinator, there's no Musy coordinator.
Speaker 1: We just have to get through it and and live. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think maybe it's like about trying less
Speaker 1: hard and sort of letting the natural flows happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a great idea. Let's try less hard. Um, Okay,
Speaker 1: how do we start now? Yeah? Okay, less hard less?
Speaker 1: How do we try less hard? Okay? Well, not to
Speaker 1: it's gonna be trying less hard? Is just this ready? Okay?
Speaker 1: So George, how how how was your weekend? Um? It
Speaker 1: was good? I am watched a movie called The Worst
Speaker 1: Person in the World. Have you seen it? No, God,
Speaker 1: damn it. I thought you had because you said something
Speaker 1: about movies that have chapters, and I thought that's what
Speaker 1: you're referring to, and so I thought maybe it would
Speaker 1: be a productive line of questioning. Oh damn no, I
Speaker 1: was watching kill Bill, which has chapters. You think of it? Yeah? Oh,
Speaker 1: did you not like Worst Person in the World. I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of like, Okay, that's enough. I often feel
Speaker 1: like people get confused when, like when people go to
Speaker 1: the movies and someone speaking of foreign language, they were
Speaker 1: immediately like is this deep? And sometimes it's actually not
Speaker 1: that deep. M I think there's something to that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't I didn't see the movie, so I but
Speaker 1: I can't say. When we, you know, did our screening
Speaker 1: and we left that being like, well, was it that good?
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you called us going to the movies
Speaker 1: to watch a movie. Did doing a screening as we
Speaker 1: actually we actually planned ourselves. We Yeah, we hosted a
Speaker 1: screening at Williamsburg Cinemas. Great turnout. Um didn't know a
Speaker 1: single person. Yeah, here's what all say. You're back in
Speaker 1: New York after being stuck in Chile because you had
Speaker 1: COVID for a full week. How does it feel? It
Speaker 1: feels incredible? Um, yeah, I'm like I went to a
Speaker 1: coffee shop on Sunday when I got back and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, this is the stuff, like just
Speaker 1: like everyone's buying like twelve dollar egg and cheeses. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this feels really good right now. Like
Speaker 1: they're playing songs that I know that are like sort
Speaker 1: of like yeah but hearkening to dare I say the
Speaker 1: Pitchfork listener and You're like, wow, yes, yes, my my
Speaker 1: culture is here being pandered to. Yes, being pandered too,
Speaker 1: And I understand how I'm being pandered too. And it
Speaker 1: felt so good. Do you ever? I was in a
Speaker 1: story the other day and the playlist was so catered
Speaker 1: to my tastes that I actually became a offended. What
Speaker 1: were they What were they hitting you with? They were
Speaker 1: hitting it was? It was like weirdly, I would say,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of like women singer songwriters and
Speaker 1: and just not not deep cuts, but just off center
Speaker 1: enough that it was always like the third or fourth
Speaker 1: single from the respective albums. As I was kind of
Speaker 1: going it was a bookstore as I was going through,
Speaker 1: you know, right now, in bookstores, I'll do this cute
Speaker 1: thing where rather than having just new fiction new nonfiction,
Speaker 1: we'll have a little like you know, lgbt Q, you know, humor.
Speaker 1: And it's like, are you talking to me? Sure? Sure?
Speaker 1: I like being pandered too to an extent, do you
Speaker 1: I get? I get? I mean, listen when it's not there,
Speaker 1: you miss it, of course. But then but then sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm like, is everything I'm doing just a version of
Speaker 1: a personaliz like are our personalized algorithms extending to the
Speaker 1: physical world, and just by a nature of how I
Speaker 1: am controlled, how I am expected to act, I'm only
Speaker 1: going into places that are basically, you know, the little
Speaker 1: corner of Amazon that i'd be going to anyway. Right,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Did you watch SpongeBob as a child,
Speaker 1: of course? Do you know the episode where squid Word
Speaker 1: goes to the world where it's all squid words and
Speaker 1: they all the same interests. Yes, that's it's kind of
Speaker 1: how Brooklyn feels. Yeah, and it is sometimes you can
Speaker 1: really backfire and you're like, I just I need to
Speaker 1: be around like a normal suburban persons that I can
Speaker 1: feel edgy and interesting. Sure, well that's what we were
Speaker 1: talking about last week with hanging out with straight guys.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. H You know, I was recently at a
Speaker 1: party that was um it was a friend of mine who,
Speaker 1: to our credit, has gay friends, but by complete coincidence,
Speaker 1: all of them except me could not make it to
Speaker 1: this party. And I'm not exaggerating. I literally started naming
Speaker 1: off other people. I was like, is this person here?
Speaker 1: Is this person here? Is this person here? And all
Speaker 1: of them either were traveling or were unavailable, and I
Speaker 1: found myself truly the sole the only gay person in
Speaker 1: this entire birthday party. And um, I kept having these
Speaker 1: conversations that I thought we're going to go one way
Speaker 1: and then went like I was having a conversation about
Speaker 1: you Guessed podcast with someone and I thought we were
Speaker 1: on the same page, and she was like, oh, what's this?
Speaker 1: What do you like? What do you like whatever? And
Speaker 1: then at the end that I was like, so, which
Speaker 1: ones do you listen to? And she goes, you know,
Speaker 1: like pod save and so you were, And I was like,
Speaker 1: you have to understand, I had just spent about seven
Speaker 1: minutes explaining our podcast to this person, thinking that like
Speaker 1: they were in the headspace where they would like kind
Speaker 1: of yes and me, and then I kept asking and
Speaker 1: it turned out that this is someone who listened to
Speaker 1: the audio version of The Rachel Maddow Show to fall asleep.
Speaker 1: Oh no, well that's tough. You know, podcasts a lot
Speaker 1: of different podcasts out there and a lot of different
Speaker 1: kinds of listeners. It is not a model. If Misha's
Speaker 1: parents were like, how we listen to your podcast and
Speaker 1: I'm like, nope, you're not allowed to. It's just I
Speaker 1: know what you think, because it was because we were
Speaker 1: shouted out on the NPR show of course who can so?
Speaker 1: And Misa's parents are like, well, this must mean it's
Speaker 1: for us, And I was like, did they listen to
Speaker 1: the NPR show? They did? WHOA, yeah, But I really
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be good for you know.
Speaker 1: One of the most I would say, one of the
Speaker 1: cruelest things you could do is when someone says they
Speaker 1: have created something, ask how can I consume it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like if you can't find it, kind of like,
Speaker 1: let them come to you if I want you to.
Speaker 1: If I want you to witness something that I have
Speaker 1: had involvement in, I will find a way to get
Speaker 1: it to you. Yeah. Uh wait, should we bring a guest?
Speaker 1: I think it's time. Okay, kick us off. Okay, folks,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. This is a huge get for us
Speaker 1: because we know we normally First of all, there are
Speaker 1: many kind of intersecting themes here. One is this is
Speaker 1: someone who is a former colleague of mine, and I
Speaker 1: have said on this podcast that I will never have
Speaker 1: my colleagues on the podcast because of course that would
Speaker 1: create a toxic work environment wherein I choose certain people
Speaker 1: say you are worthy, and do not choose other people
Speaker 1: say flop, sit down and um. And so my rule
Speaker 1: has always been, you know, if someone potentially leaves the
Speaker 1: company that employs me, I will immediately have them on. Now,
Speaker 1: this person, we normally never promote anything that anyone works
Speaker 1: on because we don't believe in the economy. But this
Speaker 1: person left Gawker in order to be New York Magazine's
Speaker 1: diner at Large, meaning her job is literally to go
Speaker 1: around dining largely around New York City and then write
Speaker 1: about it in her own newsletter. And I have to
Speaker 1: say it has been an absolute joy to read. And
Speaker 1: I this is a one time I will ever promote
Speaker 1: anything I guess has ever done. Go look her up
Speaker 1: and subscribe, But for now, please put your gorgeous gloved
Speaker 1: hands together for Tammy Techlo Marium. Hello everyone, what is up? Wow?
Speaker 1: That was a great introduction and I really feel like
Speaker 1: you gave me the respect of an entertainer and that's
Speaker 1: not something that a writer is used to. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well when you're here, you have to step it up
Speaker 1: and be an ault comedian. I'm ready. I this feels
Speaker 1: like such an accomplishment for me because you know, I
Speaker 1: sure like I watched a lot of stand up on
Speaker 1: Comedy Central growing up, a lot of SNL, you know,
Speaker 1: but I I I've never I've never had the cajones
Speaker 1: to to to step up into a crowd and do it.
Speaker 1: So just to just to be embraced, even in this
Speaker 1: socially distant way by the comedy community, is really it's
Speaker 1: a huge thing for me and I don't want to
Speaker 1: mess it up. So and this is only the first
Speaker 1: step I mean to do to do a zoom podcast,
Speaker 1: I would say it is the first step towards a
Speaker 1: long career. I'm seeing open mics in the future. I
Speaker 1: am seeing potentially a mini tour opening for you know, wow,
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, I would I could absolutely
Speaker 1: see you opening for j would be so into my hair,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and he would just be like sassing
Speaker 1: it up. Look, somebody has got to reign in Queer Eye.
Speaker 1: Those are just a little too comfortable, a little too comfortable.
Speaker 1: I actually have to admit something very very true is
Speaker 1: that I started watching Queer Eye. This it's hidden for me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm going through, but it is
Speaker 1: working so well. I'm all in. I moved. I can't
Speaker 1: get enough on the stuff. Nationalist propaganda, it really is.
Speaker 1: It is nationalist problem. And I would say it's honestly
Speaker 1: straight propaganda because they're they're they're they're going there and
Speaker 1: humiliating themselves and propping up straight people. Oh but someone
Speaker 1: is the straight people need to be propped up. They
Speaker 1: have such sad lives. But sometimes straight people are cops.
Speaker 1: That's true most of the time. I think I read
Speaker 1: somewhere the contestants career I are police officers. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: Queer Eye for the cop. I guy. Um. I do agree, though, Tammy,
Speaker 1: that they need to be reined in. One of the
Speaker 1: most difficult things in our culture is to say that's
Speaker 1: enough to a queer influencer. God, you're telling me, you know,
Speaker 1: you give them an inch and they take, and they
Speaker 1: take and they take, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they've got a full sent of set of nails and
Speaker 1: in your accent, I mean, not my accent, but like
Speaker 1: somebody's accident. Definitely there. Yeah, the day that the day
Speaker 1: that gay men start acting like me is the day
Speaker 1: that I publicly say something about it. But they suddenly
Speaker 1: if they suddenly started, you know, live blogging their restaurant
Speaker 1: trips and talking about why, then you would have to
Speaker 1: speak up and say that is appropriation. I should actually
Speaker 1: just call out every gay person who does the same
Speaker 1: thing I do as appropriation. I guess gay non poc.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean it's like it's like when
Speaker 1: you're when you're sifting it out, you know. I prefer
Speaker 1: not to make large generalities. I like to go just
Speaker 1: like digging into an example and then hope that people
Speaker 1: can learn from it totally, you know, because you can
Speaker 1: never really like, right, the commandments? What was it? What
Speaker 1: can you think of an example where a gay man
Speaker 1: copied you? Um? Wow? Uh god? Um no, I mean Okay,
Speaker 1: Like I only like brought up myself because like it
Speaker 1: would be ridiculous even like, you know, the stereotype is
Speaker 1: that like gay men and in fact, like a lot
Speaker 1: of people just like to steal their mannerisms from like
Speaker 1: black women or like you know, black famin culture. Uh.
Speaker 1: But I think it would be pretty impossible or maybe
Speaker 1: just embarrassing for me if like a gay person tried
Speaker 1: to do that and just like be me like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just like I don't know, I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not put you right right right, interesting, So like
Speaker 1: it would be like it would be like copying friendly
Speaker 1: bo its, right, and then someone being like that sexist. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean if someone were to steal your mannerisms, it
Speaker 1: would be a very personal attack, and it would in
Speaker 1: fact be an impression it was, yeah, and an honor.
Speaker 1: Actually you should be so lucky for j v N
Speaker 1: to steal your manner. This girl in high school really
Speaker 1: looked up to me, and I remember somebody else being
Speaker 1: like she's starting to talk to you, talk talk like you,
Speaker 1: and like she says things the way you didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't really notice it until I did, and I didn't
Speaker 1: get it, but I guess she just looked up to me,
Speaker 1: and that's cool totally. I wonder I always wonder was
Speaker 1: I Was I actually a follower when I was younger.
Speaker 1: M M, it's so hard to tell. Was not even
Speaker 1: a little You've been a trailblazer from the from the
Speaker 1: get go. Look, it's not easy being Tammy. And I
Speaker 1: think this is why I don't suffer from this, this
Speaker 1: kind of thing where like I go into a place
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh, like I I feel seen,
Speaker 1: because like I've never felt seen, okay, And there's a
Speaker 1: liberation in that, and all of a sudden it pays
Speaker 1: off in that I just don't feel like anybody is
Speaker 1: competing with me no matter what. Like I'm just like
Speaker 1: a little crazier or like a little more deprived or
Speaker 1: a little weirder, you know, like I I Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's I'm a maverick. I'm a maverick. Wow, the last
Speaker 1: true individual. Yeah, we found one. We found one, and
Speaker 1: she said yes to doing a gay podcast. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: do feel like that was always like a thing in
Speaker 1: school though, it was always being like well, like everyone
Speaker 1: wanted to claim like I invented that word, Like when
Speaker 1: a new word would kind of fly around. Someone would
Speaker 1: be like, well, actually that's mine. I came up with
Speaker 1: that word. I was the one that came up with boa.
Speaker 1: And it was like, well no, because my cousin say
Speaker 1: it so like and he was saying it the last year,
Speaker 1: and it was always a big debate who came up
Speaker 1: with what. It's interesting the small boxes we put ourselves
Speaker 1: in where saying booya is a cause for celebration. Well,
Speaker 1: everyone's so desperate to own something, and especially when you're
Speaker 1: a child and you have no no agency over your life,
Speaker 1: I think all you can control is the fact that
Speaker 1: you came up with the word buya. But even that's
Speaker 1: a lie. Yeah. I used to really feel competitive in
Speaker 1: like the indie music game in high school, you know,
Speaker 1: just like especially like back in the day you know,
Speaker 1: with c d s with illegal downloading, where like your
Speaker 1: collection really meant something and all of that's been eradicated
Speaker 1: with Spotify and stuff, but like, you know, back when
Speaker 1: I was in high school, like music still was like
Speaker 1: largely like along racial lines or like you know, you
Speaker 1: just like we're defined by like the rap people listen
Speaker 1: to wrap, the rock people listen to rock. And then
Speaker 1: like I was just trying to download as much obscure
Speaker 1: music as possible to just be an expert and something
Speaker 1: that other people didn't know about. But also it's just
Speaker 1: like you had to, like you had to listen to
Speaker 1: music in order to know what it was like. It
Speaker 1: was not easy to I don't know. Jonathan Richmond sounded
Speaker 1: like like you would have to like find somebody who
Speaker 1: had the b sides of Pavement or something, somebody's older brother.
Speaker 1: Like it was just work. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: when you come from that kind of culture with a
Speaker 1: work ethic, you just you take that with you everywhere
Speaker 1: that you go Spotify playlists, you know, up from your
Speaker 1: boot straps about it. I mean, you know, and and
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily like I wasn't allowed to like go
Speaker 1: out all the time, you know, and like have the
Speaker 1: experiences whatever. But at least, like you know, I was
Speaker 1: like I was doing the work, as they said, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting, you know, where do you put that energy
Speaker 1: now that everything is so accessible? It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: now that you can't be defined by your tastes, then
Speaker 1: I guess you know everyone then I guess the only
Speaker 1: thing left is to get lip filler. Well, see this
Speaker 1: is where wine comes in. It was a very candy
Speaker 1: replacement for my know at all addiction in music. Wow,
Speaker 1: that is so interesting, um psychologically like you're like, this
Speaker 1: is a one thing that still needs some form of
Speaker 1: expertise to actually and and and where you still have
Speaker 1: to actually put in work to to have a knowledge
Speaker 1: to have knowledge of it always a physical medium. This
Speaker 1: ship is analog like it's it's a record on my tongue,
Speaker 1: just so everyone knows. At home, Tammy is pointing to
Speaker 1: a glass of beautiful red wine that she's drinking out
Speaker 1: of an expensive asked I this, this is actually so fascinating.
Speaker 1: Sorry say I'm going ahead, but I'm like I love
Speaker 1: this as a concept me too. And I've never really
Speaker 1: been able to get into wine culture, and I've never
Speaker 1: had a way in like I've never understood what I
Speaker 1: would want to know about it because I'm just like,
Speaker 1: that's like a whole world of just like does it matter?
Speaker 1: And now that you say it in that way, I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 1: the joy of like pretension and the joy of like
Speaker 1: seeking things out. I do like that pretension. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it's the last form of condoseurship really that has any
Speaker 1: value yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's interesting because it's
Speaker 1: it's an investment. Like I I think about every time
Speaker 1: I try to buy makeup or something. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: how the fund do these girlies do it? And it's
Speaker 1: just because they're not buying wine like I have to pick.
Speaker 1: It's it has to be personal and or order to
Speaker 1: to really work, Like I mean, I know that people
Speaker 1: fake their interests or they're sort of like you know,
Speaker 1: they sort of like get into wine and halfheartedly and
Speaker 1: they aren't necessarily like reading books about it immediately or
Speaker 1: like trying to make their taste systematic or something. Um,
Speaker 1: but like your brain and your tongue and your body
Speaker 1: is like processing all of this stuff and so ultimately,
Speaker 1: like it's a very personal lexicon of like you know, taste,
Speaker 1: sensations that you're getting, and feelings and emotions and it
Speaker 1: ultimately always has to be personal. But people always do
Speaker 1: manage to like make it about artifice and uh, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. I mean, you know, look at the label
Speaker 1: of this bottle, right, don't you want don't you want
Speaker 1: to drink it? This is like the most like pop
Speaker 1: fun label and wine didn't used to be like that,
Speaker 1: you know, when it was exclusively just about like snobbery
Speaker 1: and knowing what you're doing. But now it's a little
Speaker 1: bit more open, and now it's like easier to participate in,
Speaker 1: maybe in the way of like picking out an album
Speaker 1: based on the cover, um, but still like you know,
Speaker 1: just like with indie rock, everybody can tell if your opposer, wow,
Speaker 1: I love Wine as the new indie rock. Well that's
Speaker 1: and I guess it's like kind of that still makes
Speaker 1: it intimidating because it's like, oh, wow, I remember that
Speaker 1: constant fear around music of being like, am I being
Speaker 1: authentic enough? Am I like, do I actually like this?
Speaker 1: Or do I like this because Pitchford gave it a nine?
Speaker 1: Or like how much am I like understanding the history
Speaker 1: of this and what is Yeah? And the answer was
Speaker 1: like to the lay person, yes, I was authentic. To
Speaker 1: the real indie rock people, not at all. And to
Speaker 1: like put myself in that world of wine, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, I'm not ready yet. But
Speaker 1: the things that scare you the most should inspire you.
Speaker 1: Exactly say that, And now we said it, and now
Speaker 1: we said that. You know what my favor I used
Speaker 1: to when I live in California. I would go to
Speaker 1: Napa or Sonoma to go wine tasting, and there is
Speaker 1: nothing more refreshing than the kind of California wine culture
Speaker 1: that is so unpretentious because you would go to these
Speaker 1: places that alleged you know, I'm not an expert at all,
Speaker 1: but I these you know, these were places that came
Speaker 1: highly recommended, had allegedly very good wine, and the people
Speaker 1: serving it and talking to you about it and who
Speaker 1: knew about it were like wearing you know, board shorts
Speaker 1: and flip flops. They were like totally normal, random Californian
Speaker 1: people had been like wine makers for three generations. And
Speaker 1: I guess it just goes to show you, Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know what point. Well, oh wow, no, no, this
Speaker 1: is so I'm like malwatching today much more than I
Speaker 1: ever had before, and I don't know why. It is humiliating.
Speaker 1: Wow No, I mean we just got off a three
Speaker 1: day weekend. I truly feel like embarrassed that I can't
Speaker 1: form a sentence today. I guess him it's it's like
Speaker 1: that thing of like seeing a parent like not be
Speaker 1: able to like do the parent functions I know, and
Speaker 1: it's I'm like, oh no, this is he's actually in trouble. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's exactly like that. Yeah, I'm like, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like not coming. It's it's not coming
Speaker 1: to me today. And I feel like Tammy is bringing
Speaker 1: so many concepts and ideas to the table, and I
Speaker 1: like keep trying to yes, and and I'm like giving
Speaker 1: up halfway through. This is my first day of comedy
Speaker 1: and you're already doing doing comedy lapse around me. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you that, Yeah, you know what might bring
Speaker 1: you back, George. Yes, our first segment, Yeah, so Tammy.
Speaker 1: Our first segment is called straight Shooters. And in this segment, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: we'll cut all of the instances of me not knowing
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. It. I'm gonna sound so smart
Speaker 1: when this airs. Our first segment is called straight Shooters.
Speaker 1: And in this segment, we test your familiarity with and
Speaker 1: complicity and straight culture by asking you a series of
Speaker 1: rapid fire questions where we have to choose one thing
Speaker 1: or another thing. And the one rule is you can't
Speaker 1: ask any follow up questions and if you do, you
Speaker 1: will be disqualified and forcibly uh exited off of this. Joe, Sam,
Speaker 1: would you like to go first. Sure, I'll kick us all, okay.
Speaker 1: The Love Song of j Alfred Prufrock or The Emancipation
Speaker 1: of Me Me Mimi okay, Tammy MacBook Air or vitamin
Speaker 1: water MacBook Air okay, like really undid vitamin water for me.
Speaker 1: I can't get done with him. I just anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. I forgot how good of a song in
Speaker 1: the club is. I was like, damn this, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a great song. It's a classic for sure. The super
Speaker 1: Bowl sort of. I was like, okay, I want to
Speaker 1: hear at a party anyway. Tony Hawk or Jack Sparrow
Speaker 1: Tony Hawk. Wow, that's a really good one. Um. Laurence
Speaker 1: of Arabia or Florence in the Machine, Laurence of Arabia, okay.
Speaker 1: Mermaids or milkmaids. Milkmaids because they carried chicken pox? Whoa
Speaker 1: cow pox? I'm not sure, probably can't existed. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to look like that, like milkmaids didn't have the disease.
Speaker 1: I don't remember something like that. Death on the Nile
Speaker 1: or a life on the fast Lane. Fast Lane, Baby,
Speaker 1: you gotta okay? Flirting with disaster or flirting with ari
Speaker 1: Astor to be in his next film. Uh, I don't
Speaker 1: ask people for anything. Disaster, okay, Tammy being John Malkovitch
Speaker 1: or coming out Colton, I love that. Thanks, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: um god fuck Coulton being chill and Malgovitch talk about
Speaker 1: talk about someone who, much like other queer influencers we've mentioned,
Speaker 1: needs someone to say no, oh boy, him more than most.
Speaker 1: He's really one where it's like, oh wow, like the
Speaker 1: way that being gay can um just set you on
Speaker 1: a path to be an influencer who has a TV
Speaker 1: show for no reason. I'm like, we are actually trying
Speaker 1: to have TV shows and yet do not, and and
Speaker 1: it makes me feel like we are not to advantage
Speaker 1: of what the Lord has blessed us. That's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is weird to be rewarded for um not being interesting. Okay,
Speaker 1: but like and like, please cut this out if like
Speaker 1: it's going to cancel me HiT's name, Like, don't you
Speaker 1: think that like he could have plotted all of this
Speaker 1: in a gay way. Well that's the thing, Tammy, He's
Speaker 1: not gay, that's the take away. I'm I'm team Tammy
Speaker 1: on this. I think I think it could be evil
Speaker 1: gay villain plotting Oh, you're saying he has plotted this
Speaker 1: in a gay way. Well, I just meant like, like
Speaker 1: he he's always known that he was going to come
Speaker 1: out later on I how can I? I mean, but
Speaker 1: you still don't think he's gay? No. See, here's what
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying. I thought like you were saying,
Speaker 1: couldn't he have plotted it in a more gay way?
Speaker 1: Like you're saying he's not gay enough? And I was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not really could have been more gay? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you're saying this now, Now that's a theory. So basically
Speaker 1: you're saying that throughout this entire process, he wanted to
Speaker 1: go on The Bachelor, get famous that way, and then
Speaker 1: get the credit of being the first ever gay bachelor. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that like in and I can
Speaker 1: only speculate as to what it's like to you know,
Speaker 1: have the trauma of like being gay as a child
Speaker 1: or something and having it covered up or whatever. But
Speaker 1: you know, from my own traumas and like the ways
Speaker 1: that they've inspired me to like live a big life,
Speaker 1: I can see someone with you know, as many you
Speaker 1: know American gifts as Colton, you know, seeing his position,
Speaker 1: you know, his little like golden retriever face and just
Speaker 1: just saying what can I do with this name? Another
Speaker 1: like gay idol? I don't know, I don't know, No,
Speaker 1: I see it. Well, it's like hell. He took stock
Speaker 1: of the of the things that were handed to him
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I'm almost there because to
Speaker 1: be a you know, he's a white man. His name
Speaker 1: is Colton Um, he is. You know, he could have
Speaker 1: just done hors that's true, that's true. But he did
Speaker 1: it as far as we know. Sure, and you know,
Speaker 1: judging on how coming out Colton does, there could be
Speaker 1: a third act. I do think there's also like to
Speaker 1: be to know you are closeted and gay and go
Speaker 1: on the Bachelor is like you're like willing to make
Speaker 1: a deal with the devil in a weird way, like
Speaker 1: your life gets easier now. I'm starting to respect it
Speaker 1: because it's psychotic. I certainly respect an evil plot more
Speaker 1: than I respect you know, the data I have in hand.
Speaker 1: At least there's some creativity involved in him, you know,
Speaker 1: planning this, and in fact, I would say some media
Speaker 1: criticism because he's taking advantage of these systems and kind
Speaker 1: of like seeing where the culture is and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: how can I use this to my advantage? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, call it performance art. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't say that, And I think I briefly discussed this
Speaker 1: with my friend who watched the same season that he
Speaker 1: did of The Bachelor, and she's like, no, he's too dumb.
Speaker 1: But it's like him being gay makes him that much smarter.
Speaker 1: Like that the gay intelligence like puts you ahead, Like yes,
Speaker 1: like that does give you the capacity to like be
Speaker 1: able to plan and like be conniving and like yeah,
Speaker 1: and to put to put on a performance as straight stupid,
Speaker 1: you have to be very gay smart in order to
Speaker 1: put on a convincing performance of straight stupid. The only
Speaker 1: hole in this plot I feel is like, didn't wasn't
Speaker 1: he also like abusive and psychotic to the woman, And
Speaker 1: that's straight okay, And so that like even as a
Speaker 1: plot point, like it just doesn't help. It doesn't like
Speaker 1: further the narrative I think he wanted in a sense.
Speaker 1: But then again, you know, all press is good pressed
Speaker 1: to come out and something that something that many gay
Speaker 1: men know is all press is good pressed, and what
Speaker 1: do gay men hate women? So there you go. It's
Speaker 1: a full proof plan at all pretty much, and he
Speaker 1: did it speaking of speaking of gender relations, Yeah, men
Speaker 1: and women and the differences there. Should we get into
Speaker 1: our topic. Yeah, this is a very rich topic and
Speaker 1: I would like Tammy for you to introduce us to
Speaker 1: what it is and why you chose it. I'm so
Speaker 1: delighted to present the Stradio Lab listeners with my topic,
Speaker 1: which is something that we don't talk about enough. Um,
Speaker 1: maybe something we don't talk about at all. It's ms
Speaker 1: Sandry and am I even saying that with the right
Speaker 1: in I've heard it both ways and actually, um, I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone has agreed upon what is a correct way.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's that type of word I think. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like miss Andrew would be a really good
Speaker 1: that's a great drag name, maybe Colton. If he ever
Speaker 1: does drag can go by Miss Andrew. People would would
Speaker 1: and he would bring down the house, bring the house
Speaker 1: down this as if he could give a performance. Come on,
Speaker 1: I mean you have argued he already has, that's at all. Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about Miss Andy, not just because
Speaker 1: you know, it's something that I feel very strongly about,
Speaker 1: but also because I got an email from a reader
Speaker 1: of my newsletter last week, and it's pretty short. Um.
Speaker 1: I wrote a newsletter about dining alone and how some
Speaker 1: people sitting next to me at the bar at a
Speaker 1: restaurant came up to me to congratulate me on dining alone. Basically,
Speaker 1: this woman came up to me as she was leaving
Speaker 1: ing and she said, I love your evening. And I
Speaker 1: was like, huh, and she was like, I love your evening.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that we noticed that you
Speaker 1: were just having such a great night, and we you know,
Speaker 1: I we just wanted to say, uh, great job something
Speaker 1: like that, yeah, yeah, which you know feels great. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so I wrote about it and just like you know,
Speaker 1: how it's condescending and how you should just you know,
Speaker 1: leave people alone when they're dining alone, unless you're really
Speaker 1: hot and rich and you know, wanting want to have
Speaker 1: want to have a gay conversation with me, but you're straight.
Speaker 1: M Well, we'll talk about the meaning of that later anyway. Uh.
Speaker 1: This guy emailed me in response after it went on
Speaker 1: grab Street, and he said I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: what his name is, but his his email icon appears
Speaker 1: to be some office buildings architecture NERD potentially potentially um
Speaker 1: read this and comma for someone who is supposed to
Speaker 1: be sensitive to racial stereotyping. Comma. I can't help wondering
Speaker 1: why you refer to males in your articles as dudes
Speaker 1: bros and disparage their table talk while all caps the
Speaker 1: females are all called women. Looks miss andres to me,
Speaker 1: how about you getting with some gender symmetry. And I
Speaker 1: just want to say that with is spelled w I
Speaker 1: T wit as in like cheese steak wit whiz, just
Speaker 1: saying wow. So so it's more, it's like, the accusation
Speaker 1: of miss Andrey is a very straight thing. I I
Speaker 1: would are it's interesting because the accusation of miss Andrew
Speaker 1: is a straight thing, while also the kind of fetishization
Speaker 1: of Miss Andrew is also a straight thing. Of like,
Speaker 1: the the culture of like fuck like, the culture of
Speaker 1: like men suck he like like the thing is like
Speaker 1: you haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg on
Speaker 1: fucking miss and calling. Calling the three guys having a
Speaker 1: boring conversation next to me dudes is not miss Andrey.
Speaker 1: Identifying finance guys, sorry, finance men almost sounds more offensive
Speaker 1: to be honest, to be honest because like now that
Speaker 1: we're really playing that game, like I almost just wanted
Speaker 1: to position myself as the enemy to all bankers, Right,
Speaker 1: what is your relationship to miss miss Andrews, Miss Andrey
Speaker 1: or miss Andrew. I know I'm gonna be struggling the
Speaker 1: whole time saying it now. See, I was thinking about
Speaker 1: it today as I was taking my hot girl long walk,
Speaker 1: which is my version of fitness. And um, we could
Speaker 1: never really know what miss Andrey in a vacuum is
Speaker 1: because politically, Miss Andrey is not at all comparable to misogyny.
Speaker 1: At this point, miss Andry is just like you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like like a toddler fighting an elephant, Like
Speaker 1: it's it's just like this is all I have to
Speaker 1: console myself for the abject state of heterosexuality. Like I'm
Speaker 1: just protecting myself from the depression that comes with dealing
Speaker 1: with my attraction to men. Sure it's a mitigating factor,
Speaker 1: it makes it tolerable, and it's like I can love
Speaker 1: a man, I know that, Like I can have like
Speaker 1: a great relationship with a man and still be a
Speaker 1: Miss Andres like I am. In fact that's important. But
Speaker 1: a misogynist could not love me. I mean, misogynist can
Speaker 1: love me for many reasons. Um, but it's it's just
Speaker 1: it's just not the same, you know. It's the same
Speaker 1: way that like feminism and men's right are never going
Speaker 1: to be the same thing. Sure, right, right, But imagine
Speaker 1: if we could experience Miss Sandry and a vacuum. Imagine
Speaker 1: if we could really just like put men in their place.
Speaker 1: It is the ultimate fantasy. As a funny, Um, I
Speaker 1: feel like there could be like a very bad college
Speaker 1: production of a play that that's the premise, Like a
Speaker 1: world where miss injury is real and the consequences are severe.
Speaker 1: Take me, take me to Miss Andry Island. I mean
Speaker 1: that could be a place in Greece like that. Let's
Speaker 1: let's get the Sappho hologram pop in and just just
Speaker 1: chain up some men, preferably white, just you know, because
Speaker 1: like gone out of like a preference. Just you know,
Speaker 1: it's an optics issue. First thing, they don't have to
Speaker 1: they don't have to be Greek because George is in
Speaker 1: this conversation. But but since we are talking about Greece,
Speaker 1: you know, we do have some linguistic roots here. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's literally hatred of men, miss and Miss andrew I
Speaker 1: want to say, Okay, first of all, I love that
Speaker 1: this topic um doubles. That's sort of a docks thing
Speaker 1: of this man um too. I I still am trying
Speaker 1: to like put myself in the mindset of this person
Speaker 1: that's talking this email, and it's really I can't imagine
Speaker 1: being offended at the word dude and thinking that's like
Speaker 1: a bad word, and it really makes me confused on
Speaker 1: the mental state of this person. And if how you
Speaker 1: could come to this conclusion, well, if I could, if
Speaker 1: I could try to psychoanalyze a little bit. To me,
Speaker 1: there is this kind of Internet lingo that is lightly
Speaker 1: and almost semi ironically, Miss Andrews, And it's like calling
Speaker 1: someone to do brow kind of saying things like this
Speaker 1: kind of mean like, uh, internet language of being a
Speaker 1: woman is a nightmare like men should all die like,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like it is. It is a
Speaker 1: way that people on the Internet speak that is of
Speaker 1: course rooted in reality, like it is rooted in you know,
Speaker 1: finding humorous ways to talk about like sexism and systemic
Speaker 1: um inequalities and things like that. But then if you're
Speaker 1: looking at that with no context and you're seeing someone
Speaker 1: constantly making fun of men. Let's say, then in your mind,
Speaker 1: not appreciating the context that this is all happening, only
Speaker 1: looking at it be a horse blinders. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh no, there's a growing movement against men in this scenario.
Speaker 1: Like when you say, the person who's looking at this
Speaker 1: with no context, like that's only going to be a
Speaker 1: straight man. Um, what's interesting is like it's not actually
Speaker 1: no context. It's just that the context is his own subjectivity. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean it's it's also you're just always waiting
Speaker 1: for this chance to like feel like somebody is like
Speaker 1: talking about you, like like they they really haven't had
Speaker 1: the spotlight in a while. And I think that for
Speaker 1: it to be such a mundane thing, like this guy
Speaker 1: just felt so comfortable checking me, you know, as though
Speaker 1: he probably just he saw himself as like one of
Speaker 1: those guys in the bar seat drinking an avocado cocktail
Speaker 1: they didn't like, and oh my god. But then okay,
Speaker 1: so then like it was three guys right, and then
Speaker 1: one of them left, and then there were two guys left,
Speaker 1: and the main one was just talking about his relationships.
Speaker 1: And I swear to god, I have learned more from
Speaker 1: just like listening to like rich men at bars on
Speaker 1: this job that I haven't in all my time dating?
Speaker 1: Was it two men talking to each other, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: about light and then this guy is just like talking
Speaker 1: about like how like you know, he like he knew
Speaker 1: that he was being shitty to this girl, but he
Speaker 1: still like let all these such and it's just like
Speaker 1: it's it's everything you think they're thinking, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's just like they're just as bad as you think
Speaker 1: they are, you know. It's just like there's no there
Speaker 1: is nothing more jarring than listening to two men talk
Speaker 1: about dating it and it is exactly what you're saying,
Speaker 1: where you're like, I thought we left this behind, Like
Speaker 1: I thought we all kind of evolved together. And then
Speaker 1: it's either I mean sometimes it is openly offensive like
Speaker 1: you're saying, and then other times it's not offensive. It's
Speaker 1: just like so belligerently simple minded, where you're like, oh no,
Speaker 1: did you like have you kind of given any thought
Speaker 1: to how other people's minds work? I mean this also
Speaker 1: is like you see this in comedy as well, where
Speaker 1: when you do like a club show, I did, I
Speaker 1: did I performed at a comedy club last night, and
Speaker 1: you think we've all grown together and we don't do
Speaker 1: this these jokes. And there's multiple men going up and
Speaker 1: being like, you know this girl I'm dating, she's a bitch,
Speaker 1: like and it's like, whoa, whoa, you need to chill.
Speaker 1: This is crazy, and you're saying it on stage. It's
Speaker 1: one thing to say it as an asshole to your
Speaker 1: asshole friend, but to be proud of it and think
Speaker 1: it's worth shouting from the rooftops. It's um, it's crazy
Speaker 1: to see that not not everybody has moved on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I really feel like we're doing some like
Speaker 1: antique Joe Rogan work right now. Sure, well especially you,
Speaker 1: you know, leaning into the di slur dude because Diesler, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I lost my tra thoughts. So Georgia, no, it is.
Speaker 1: It is all about us lifting one another up because
Speaker 1: it is a difficult night for brain capacity for me. Like,
Speaker 1: so I want to get into like miss andres a
Speaker 1: straight topic, Like are you are you basically saying that
Speaker 1: like miss Andre can't exist? Then it is a figment
Speaker 1: of the straight male man's imagination. Well, I think that
Speaker 1: you kind of started to scratch at it a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier when you were saying, when you were talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, the sort of contemporary sort of general Miss Anderson,
Speaker 1: of a lot of content on the Internet where it's
Speaker 1: just like ha ha, male genocide. But like it's almost like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like Miss Andrey is a joke, no matter what, basically,
Speaker 1: no matter what, Like I could literally tweet ha ha
Speaker 1: male genocide right now. That's so that that is exactly
Speaker 1: it is. Like when you see something that is like sexist,
Speaker 1: there can be some argument about whether it is earnest
Speaker 1: or ironic. But when you see something that's misendest, what's
Speaker 1: so frustrating is that it could never actually have any
Speaker 1: power because it is inherently a joke because there is
Speaker 1: no way to actually use it to harm anyone. I
Speaker 1: wish somebody could show me a situation of it working, right,
Speaker 1: I guess that woman that like bit that guy's dick off.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, there's a couple of dick dick cutting off tails. Yes,
Speaker 1: but like she had to do so much labor, that's right,
Speaker 1: and it was ultimately not to get too much into it,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like she set out to do that,
Speaker 1: like it was, I mean, it was in response, like
Speaker 1: who is a woman that is going out and biting
Speaker 1: the dicks off of innocent men. That would be Miss Andrey.
Speaker 1: Like what I want to see. What I want to
Speaker 1: see is like on the next Surprise Beyonce record, I
Speaker 1: want to you know, in the same way that we
Speaker 1: had like the feminism voiceover on Flawless, Like I want
Speaker 1: to be reciting the definition of Miss Andrey on a
Speaker 1: Beyonce song miss Andrews person who yeah, fights for the
Speaker 1: subjugation of men. That would be really that would actually
Speaker 1: be a pretty big if Beyonce came out as a
Speaker 1: proponent of Miss Andrey and you yourself wrote a spoken
Speaker 1: word poem in her latest Surprise release. I think then
Speaker 1: we could start to talk about, you know, the sort
Speaker 1: of equity between miss Andrey and misogyny. But right now, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: Miss Andrey is like a trend on TikTok and and
Speaker 1: a joke. Yeah yeah, um. I'm also thinking about miss
Speaker 1: andre Is, Like, um, it's kind of funny to bring
Speaker 1: up as a straight topic because I feel like, dare
Speaker 1: I say, like the nineties, that would be like, that's
Speaker 1: like the lesbian stereotype total is like lesbians are miss
Speaker 1: Interests and hey, you're just a man hating lesbian. Um,
Speaker 1: but I do think it's been reclaimed. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: as uh Elive Icell said, the opposite hate is indifference. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right, right, But like, in order to like really
Speaker 1: hate men, you have to love them. That I've always
Speaker 1: thought that more as a lady sovereign in mindset love
Speaker 1: me or hate me a slow obsession. Well, okay, so
Speaker 1: you're God damn it, You're it's like truly dense with
Speaker 1: theoretical heft um. So you're saying that in this in
Speaker 1: this equation, it's like lesbians are indifferent to men, but
Speaker 1: only straight women can be truly miss andres because their
Speaker 1: hatred propels them towards men. Well, their love propels them
Speaker 1: toward hatreds because like in the process of trying to
Speaker 1: love a man, you will hate, yeah, and all of them. Currently,
Speaker 1: I'm just in I'm not in the process of loving
Speaker 1: a man. I I cannot remember what that's like. So
Speaker 1: right now, I just you know, I'm just in the
Speaker 1: process of learning to hate all men. Wow, I guess.
Speaker 1: But it's funny. It's funny. It's funny, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Hilarious. Okay, she's a comedian. Um, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm almost curious, like George, what's your personal experience
Speaker 1: with hating men? Like I guess, like, what, what's the
Speaker 1: perspective that's missing? Is like gay men? How do we feel?
Speaker 1: Of course that is absolutely always the perspective that's missing. Well,
Speaker 1: right now we've talked about the straight when we talking
Speaker 1: to the lesbian, we haven't talked about and we are
Speaker 1: too gay men, we can kind of speak on it.
Speaker 1: I think it's important to bring up well, I just
Speaker 1: I mean what Damny is describing of overhearing two straight
Speaker 1: men speaking about speaking in general, but also speaking about
Speaker 1: a woman. It really is one of the most um,
Speaker 1: emotionally impactful experiences one can have. It feels like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't really say anything. What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do go up to them and be like stop it,
Speaker 1: you gross men? Like you can't do that. So you
Speaker 1: kind of feel like, you know, Neo in the part
Speaker 1: of the Matrix where his mouth is he can't open
Speaker 1: his mouth, but he wants so badly to screen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would say, there is no you know, It's
Speaker 1: funny because last episode we talked about how much we
Speaker 1: loved hanging out with straight men, and of course this
Speaker 1: is unfortunately the other side of that, where there is
Speaker 1: no I love hanging out with straight men. I could sure.
Speaker 1: That's the difference between like an individual and a community.
Speaker 1: When you listen to two anonymous straight men talk, you
Speaker 1: are reminded of all the ills of them as a community,
Speaker 1: Whereas when you talk to someone one on one that
Speaker 1: you are friends with or that you have I'm kind
Speaker 1: of affection for, you're not thinking of them as a man.
Speaker 1: You're thinking of them as an individual. Honestly, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of them as a projection of my best interests usually, right, Well,
Speaker 1: the blankness of straight men can be used both ways, because, like,
Speaker 1: on the one hand, it's it's an evil blankness. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, it's a productive blankness because you can
Speaker 1: project whatever you want onto it. This is why I
Speaker 1: think the only safe kind of guy to pursue is
Speaker 1: just a really really hot one like I and and
Speaker 1: I think this is part of like, like why miss
Speaker 1: andry is the foundation of feminism, because like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to date out of my league, you know, like I
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to just like date a guy who
Speaker 1: like doesn't have thoughts, you know, like just like just
Speaker 1: give me, just give me body, give me, like a
Speaker 1: glass of water at my bedside, like like like do
Speaker 1: some chores for me, like you know, just like just
Speaker 1: please be a guy and like a body and just
Speaker 1: not don't try to speak. They'll try to be a mind.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you're in this way objectifying men in fact, mm,
Speaker 1: which I guess is the only power I do. It
Speaker 1: is interesting objectifying men is the one thing that's still
Speaker 1: legal to do. Look, you know, I um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We I don't know if we ever really claimed it
Speaker 1: in in a good way, but I think that we
Speaker 1: should just go back to trying to do that because
Speaker 1: like guys with graduate degrees who are covering up their
Speaker 1: inherited wealth are not it, Like they really really aren't.
Speaker 1: Conversations with men who think that they're smart, like imagine
Speaker 1: talking to Elon Musk and this is like peak for
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Like this is like Matt saying
Speaker 1: out the female heterosexual card for like as far as
Speaker 1: the game is played, yeah, do you feel like there
Speaker 1: it's this um, this ideal of an intelligent straight man
Speaker 1: is is kind of the assom tote that can never
Speaker 1: be reached. Well, the thing is like analyze the quote
Speaker 1: unquote like intelligent straight man and he's he goes he
Speaker 1: knows what he is on the market, like if he
Speaker 1: if he has any intelligence at all, and he's just
Speaker 1: playing it for like the same like dumb rocks as
Speaker 1: any other guy. So women should just play the same way. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I'm glad I got a kicker on that. I mean,
Speaker 1: in many ways, in many ways, what you are looking
Speaker 1: for is Colton before he came out. M the slab
Speaker 1: of me. No thoughts, no thoughts, vibes I have I
Speaker 1: have tweeted often about wanting to be the next Bachelorette ABC.
Speaker 1: I know you. I know you listen ABC Exacts. I
Speaker 1: know you're listening to this episode, so you know hear
Speaker 1: me out. I think you would get some viewers. The
Speaker 1: franchise would really go out with the baby. New York
Speaker 1: media would light up. Would be a great last season
Speaker 1: of the Bachelotte because, in fact, end the ratings would
Speaker 1: be so interesting that they would end it. But Sam,
Speaker 1: where do you stand on all of this? I'm seeing
Speaker 1: so much happening on your what do you mean? Well, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm more I'm now it's no, I'm being a George,
Speaker 1: I would say, And I'm very self conscious of like
Speaker 1: how I'm coming off in this episode today, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm well sure, but well, I mean you're
Speaker 1: goin to the fact that it is Maybe maybe it's
Speaker 1: that we are both implicated in this narrative about men.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe this is what we're struggling with. Is like
Speaker 1: not as much as Colton, absolutely, but we can only
Speaker 1: relate so much because it's like who knows what someone
Speaker 1: thinks when they hear us talking as strangers in a bar.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not talking about women, but we are
Speaker 1: potentially talking about things that make us sound very stupid.
Speaker 1: Straight men. We are kind of on the sidelines with
Speaker 1: you know, like we interact with them, but in like
Speaker 1: a polite like hello. Like it's never like we're not
Speaker 1: going to be in love with one unless they're friend yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're down to have sex or whatever. But we're
Speaker 1: always sort of on the sidelines. And and it's so
Speaker 1: I guess maybe it's hard to not have like a
Speaker 1: personal like yeah, funck. Then like I can't think of
Speaker 1: a way in well, we have kind of the simplest
Speaker 1: relationship to straight men because you know, like when you're out,
Speaker 1: but like historically gay men have been like propagating the
Speaker 1: same you know, patriarchy as ever. Like I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's you know, homosexuality has been an incredible part of civilization,
Speaker 1: just really really really defining and important to all of
Speaker 1: the things that have ruined my life. It is true
Speaker 1: when you think about how much homosexuality has been instrumental
Speaker 1: in creating literally the power dynamics that we are currently
Speaker 1: allegedly trying to um collapse, you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: maybe we're not as different as we think. No, I
Speaker 1: think that's that's a very good point. And wow, I
Speaker 1: mean who has been there every step of the way,
Speaker 1: decorating all the offices. You know what gay men are
Speaker 1: like two straight men's journey. It's sort of the okay,
Speaker 1: now this is me getting canceled. Um, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about like the evil of the white moderate. That's
Speaker 1: like gay men who are like just like chill with
Speaker 1: straight guys. Like it's just sort of like, yeah, well
Speaker 1: we're not doing the bad thing. But and it's it
Speaker 1: sucks that they are, like we just sort of like
Speaker 1: go along for the ruck, right, and we can enter
Speaker 1: in and out of those spaces as we see fit. Sure,
Speaker 1: I can deepen my voice to go into the boardroom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'll make that salary. Sure, why not. And I'll
Speaker 1: get the mail salary because I'm a man. But oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's good what they do. No, No,
Speaker 1: I would never watch the super Bowl. How tacky? Yeah
Speaker 1: we have Yeah, so there you go. Of course, budda
Speaker 1: judge made the mistake of trying to then ascend to
Speaker 1: a higher role. But he didn't understand his position. No,
Speaker 1: he can only be Secretary of Transportation. He's which is
Speaker 1: so sad. He's the cabooze. He's the cabo Do you
Speaker 1: think he should have been maybe more of like a
Speaker 1: Coulton and sort of not come out until after he
Speaker 1: was president. I think you pushed the Coulton card as much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he came out when he was like thirty six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like, okay, even he came out after Mackenzie totally,
Speaker 1: I think. But you're allowed to be a gay consultant, right,
Speaker 1: well in some cultures. No, and that's such a huge problem.
Speaker 1: It would be so funny McKenzie, especially like companies like
Speaker 1: that love having all of them have like a sticker
Speaker 1: on their brochures and it's like rated one on LGBTQ
Speaker 1: Friendly by Goldman by you know, out magazine and Goldman
Speaker 1: sacks well, and that's why their sponsors of this podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he out the Golden sas thank you for Meanwhile, we
Speaker 1: were rated in terms of our gay friendliness. I want
Speaker 1: to thank Goldman for producing all of the bankers that
Speaker 1: I can make fun of. That's right, m h. It
Speaker 1: does make you think though, I mean, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like what you were talking about before, like what would
Speaker 1: the world look like if miss Andry could exist. It's like,
Speaker 1: what would the world look like if those bankers didn't exist?
Speaker 1: It would be unrecognizable? Would I get that money? I mean?
Speaker 1: The thing about the the reason why it's not just
Speaker 1: okay but important to make fun of finance guys in
Speaker 1: New York and every major financial center, uh City Center
Speaker 1: or whatever, is because they like they have too much
Speaker 1: money for no fucking reason, you know, like many of
Speaker 1: us living in poverty have. I mean, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: not like, please, I'm not living in poverty now, but
Speaker 1: two months ago I might have been there. Um, but
Speaker 1: we were smarter than them. Uh, but we just like
Speaker 1: aren't as you know, morally bankrupt or you know, boring,
Speaker 1: and and they just you know, get to like live
Speaker 1: their little lives like just you know, dating models and
Speaker 1: feeling good about themselves for no reason. And as a
Speaker 1: culture that really needs to be tamped down, maybe like
Speaker 1: they are just the the the you know, core of
Speaker 1: everything that's wrong with men right now. Maybe there's a
Speaker 1: way to weaponize the models. Huh. I mean I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I don't think so. I you know, people pretend,
Speaker 1: people pretend, and you know, and then like you know,
Speaker 1: you try to have like the little like special edition
Speaker 1: magazines like oh, let's talk about all kinds of things
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it's like no, like like as far
Speaker 1: as America goes and like you know, Western culture, I
Speaker 1: think like the as long as the models are starving themselves,
Speaker 1: we're not going to have woke models. Yeah. And I'm
Speaker 1: I'm diner at large. Like I really said that, you know,
Speaker 1: I just want the girls to eat. I just want
Speaker 1: the girls to eat. All. Get behind that. Yeah, tell,
Speaker 1: that's what I am. G truly. It's Yeah, finance rows
Speaker 1: are supposed to be made fun of. It's the trade off.
Speaker 1: They get to be rich, they get a little made
Speaker 1: fun of. That's like how it works. But it's like,
Speaker 1: what what kind of bargain is it when like the
Speaker 1: men who are paying for the dinners are the ones
Speaker 1: who are enforcing the standards that the women don't eat.
Speaker 1: Whoa dammy are you saying Western beauty standards are because
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a comedian. No, you are absolutely crushing.
Speaker 1: You're unfortunately being a professor, And it's like, like classes, Really,
Speaker 1: I keep forgetting I should speak because I'm like, and
Speaker 1: then what you know, I don't know. I don't. I
Speaker 1: I wasn't ascribing it to their their thrifty nous, their
Speaker 1: their niggardliness if you will, um, but I mean and like,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're still willing to pay for like drinks
Speaker 1: and drugs and apartments and stuff. So it's not it's
Speaker 1: not cheap. It's just you know, about controlling what can
Speaker 1: give them pleasure. Yeah, And that's why I'm such a
Speaker 1: miss Sandra's because I get pleasure from so many things
Speaker 1: other than men, specifically my job, where I get an
Speaker 1: expense account to go to fancy restaurants. So do you
Speaker 1: think all women should have should be diners at large. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: now this is our platform. Now see now we're now
Speaker 1: we're making moves towards rectifying these kind of social ills,
Speaker 1: and all of the gay diner, the foe dinner is
Speaker 1: at large. You know, the game in imitating me with
Speaker 1: all women. Okay, yes, and then we'll see how the
Speaker 1: straight guys react. Okay, no, no, it's this. I like this.
Speaker 1: So it's every company should have a woman diner at
Speaker 1: large funded by you know, the money is taken out
Speaker 1: of the salaries of these men, and then those diners
Speaker 1: at large making you know, six seven figures are out
Speaker 1: on the streets getting paid to eat well and humiliate
Speaker 1: those men in the pages of major New York publications. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have a plan. I have a plan. Okay, what's
Speaker 1: your plan? Okay, what if we make it just so
Speaker 1: men aren't allowed to buy their own food? So that wow.
Speaker 1: So the way it works is you have to find
Speaker 1: a woman that is it's it's hinge, but taken to
Speaker 1: sort of an extreme dystopian level. Um, we we've been
Speaker 1: needing that, we've really needed that, so it can really
Speaker 1: humble them and really teach them to be kind and
Speaker 1: respectful because if not, they'll starve. But in this case,
Speaker 1: like because we still live in an increase incredibly unbalanced world,
Speaker 1: like the men have to venmo the women ahead of
Speaker 1: time for dinner and then some and then like it's
Speaker 1: still not certain if the women will ghost them. So
Speaker 1: like they might still be at the restaurant waiting to eat,
Speaker 1: waiting to eat for the first time that day, Okay,
Speaker 1: so hungry. They haven't even gotten a bread basket because
Speaker 1: the waitress saw that it was a man sitting alone
Speaker 1: and she was like, nope, nope, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: feed him. I'm not going to feed him. It really
Speaker 1: is such a small, such a small difference, you know,
Speaker 1: such a small tweak because we're not talking about redistributing wealth.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about large scale UH solutions right now,
Speaker 1: Like this is not universal health care. It's just one
Speaker 1: small tweak. Only women can purchase food. I mean, the
Speaker 1: world would change, you know if you want to what
Speaker 1: you can even use it, Like to have you saying,
Speaker 1: you know, you can venmo woman and ask her to
Speaker 1: buy your food, but you're still gonna have to convince
Speaker 1: a woman to feed you. Yeah, And I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because like that that actually is how
Speaker 1: the goddess wanted it when you know, when she invented breastfeeding. Oh,
Speaker 1: very interesting. Yeah, you know this is this is how
Speaker 1: nature should be in instead of this, you know, perversion. Right,
Speaker 1: So basically dining culture writ large should be more like
Speaker 1: breastfeeding instead of sucking dick. Wow. I mean I think
Speaker 1: we kind of got I'm there, I really do think
Speaker 1: is I think so too. There's and I'm not seeing
Speaker 1: this as a you know, empty catchphrase. I'm seeing this
Speaker 1: with all my heart. There was a lot to think
Speaker 1: about here. There's a lot to think about. Um. I
Speaker 1: think as we wrap up, I just want to say,
Speaker 1: if we said anything sort of stupid or embarrassing or um,
Speaker 1: something that you disagree with, just keep in mind we
Speaker 1: don't agree with it either, and I don't stand by it.
Speaker 1: And we've already said whenever anyone tells us, whenever anyone
Speaker 1: disagrees with us, we're going to release a notes ap
Speaker 1: apology that just says never mind. H So, with that
Speaker 1: being said, Tammy, did you have something you want to say?
Speaker 1: Any conclusion? Conclusion concluding thoughts about miss Andrey, Well, I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, like, um, you know r E
Speaker 1: potential cancelation, etcetera. You know, this is my first real
Speaker 1: uh toe dip into professional comedy, and so you know, yes,
Speaker 1: go easy on me. But like you know, if there's
Speaker 1: a huge backlash, I understand, you know what happens to
Speaker 1: every major comedian, and you know, on my rise, things
Speaker 1: might happen, things might happen for it. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good way to get fans. I agree. And you know,
Speaker 1: to come right out of the back, come out as
Speaker 1: a canceled comedian before you even come out as a
Speaker 1: comedian to begin with. Mm hmmm, that's kind of historic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like I'm postmail. Yeah, I was like
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, I don't know. I was sitting
Speaker 1: for it to work too, because you know, it's just
Speaker 1: like it seems inevitable that every straight comedian is going
Speaker 1: to be canceled, like they they're just not good like
Speaker 1: like like because like already, like imagine like a funny
Speaker 1: straight guy. He can't he can't have a clean record,
Speaker 1: he can't. He just funny straight who who wants to
Speaker 1: like tell people about it? Like no, like the evil
Speaker 1: and I know some milk comedians. They are not They
Speaker 1: are not good men. I mean you guys are I
Speaker 1: mean I only know charge. That's right, yea, Sam, you
Speaker 1: can vouch for me. Please give us money to eat please. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're hungry. We're hungry. We haven't eaten all that because
Speaker 1: they've been waiting for this, for her to have a
Speaker 1: woman guest on our podcast. If you can buy us
Speaker 1: a burrito. Um, well, here's what I'll say. I think
Speaker 1: it's time for a final segment. Yes, uh so. My
Speaker 1: final second is called shout Outs, and in it we
Speaker 1: pay homage to the classic straight tradition of a radio
Speaker 1: shout out to anything that we are enjoying. I think
Speaker 1: it's two thousand one. You're in time of Square at
Speaker 1: TRL shouting out to your squad back home, just about
Speaker 1: anything you like. George, do you have one? Oh God? Um,
Speaker 1: I can make you okay. What's up? Freaks in those
Speaker 1: days and perverts out there around the globe. I want
Speaker 1: to give a huge shout out to New York City,
Speaker 1: concrete jungle where dreams are made of. Yes, I am
Speaker 1: so happy to be back in Brooklyn, New York. Back
Speaker 1: to restaurants that are playing Indie rock Um and David
Speaker 1: Bowie in a knowing and cool way. I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be around stupid um minimal sort of white and gold
Speaker 1: decorum with too many plants and pastel MUDs. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to be in around girls in you know, cool jeans
Speaker 1: and chunky shoes and big, big, big puffy coats. I
Speaker 1: am so so happy to be back because this city
Speaker 1: panders to me and it is beautiful. When I am
Speaker 1: in New York, I feel like a fish that has
Speaker 1: been dropped into a river. Suddenly I can move freely.
Speaker 1: I am powerful, I am strong, and I go with
Speaker 1: the flow. Baby girl, um, New York City, you are
Speaker 1: the most beautiful city in the world. XO XO Sam. Wow,
Speaker 1: what a tribute Alicia Keys found dead in a ditch Darling,
Speaker 1: all right, I can I can attempt something. What's up,
Speaker 1: Sexy Ladina's I want to give a quick shout out
Speaker 1: to when a salad has a lot of cheese, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and you don't expect that you see a giant bowl
Speaker 1: of green salad. I was at a dinner party the
Speaker 1: other night and there was an all vegetarian meal, and
Speaker 1: I have such affection in my heart for everyone making
Speaker 1: any kind of culinary decision period. But I didn't know
Speaker 1: what to expect here. I didn't know if we were
Speaker 1: doing dairy. I didn't know if you were doing cheese.
Speaker 1: Look I look at the salad. It seems like a
Speaker 1: pretty simple green salad. I kind of mixed things around.
Speaker 1: I see provolone in there. I was recently. I recently,
Speaker 1: in fact, learned that provolone is not just the cheese
Speaker 1: from subway, and that it is actually a fancy cheese
Speaker 1: that Italian people put in salads. Tammy looks shocked. You're Greek.
Speaker 1: Greek people have sort of the best salad cheese is ever. Oh,
Speaker 1: of course, I mean I love a feta. I love
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Greek cheeses. But in my mind
Speaker 1: I never provolone to me. So Sam, would you have
Speaker 1: great people? You've never seen it? I would agree it's
Speaker 1: a sandwich cheese. I and of course I have seen
Speaker 1: it on menus, but it was always like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get a salad of provolone. And I
Speaker 1: had the salad and it was one of the most
Speaker 1: licious things I've ever tasted. And so I say, more
Speaker 1: cheese on salads. In fact, if it's mostly cheese, maybe
Speaker 1: with a little bit of pesto. I'm there. I want
Speaker 1: to addend them that and also say Crutons are back, baby, Oh,
Speaker 1: I love a cruton. Crutons are back in a big way,
Speaker 1: and I'm so surprised. Um, but I'm grateful for it, Tammy,
Speaker 1: whenever you are ready, I'd say, go for it all right. Um,
Speaker 1: I have no hesitation about the thing that I'm ready
Speaker 1: to shout out. I have so much love for it.
Speaker 1: It's truly helped me out in my life in the
Speaker 1: past few months more than anything else. And I'm going
Speaker 1: to say that it's alka Seltzer. And I know that
Speaker 1: like a lot of the young guns. I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty one and about to turn thirty two next
Speaker 1: month March fourteenth, if you want to send a little
Speaker 1: B day message, But you know, um, and and I
Speaker 1: never like it never fails to upset me the way
Speaker 1: that like my body just like does not let me
Speaker 1: do what I used to do. And I hate to
Speaker 1: sound like an old person because like thirty one thirty
Speaker 1: two is not old, but like actually, like I used
Speaker 1: to run on a crazy amount of uh strong alcohol
Speaker 1: and no compunction and I can't do that anymore, but
Speaker 1: sometimes I still act up and even when I don't.
Speaker 1: I've been learning about antacids as a class, and I
Speaker 1: have been working my way through them. I haven't like
Speaker 1: looked into the more serious ones, you know, your pilist,
Speaker 1: sex or whatever. I don't think I really have heartburn.
Speaker 1: As a diner at large, Um, I do a lot
Speaker 1: of eating, and I eat for work, and I'm not
Speaker 1: necessarily eating on a schedule that I want to. And
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. I will wake up at two, three,
Speaker 1: four in the morning after having, for example, the night
Speaker 1: that I went to Astoria and I went to a
Speaker 1: story of seafood and I ate plate on plate of fish,
Speaker 1: French fries, etcetera. And then I smoked hookah, and then
Speaker 1: I took a car home and then I woke up,
Speaker 1: and it's like, of course I have to barth. Of course,
Speaker 1: like I had fish and hookah, Like it's not okay,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not okay. But then like you feel
Speaker 1: terrible and you either don't barf or you do. But
Speaker 1: Alca Seltzer makes a decision for you. Or when I'm
Speaker 1: not feeling ready to party, you know, because lunch was
Speaker 1: like too intense. I do a little Alca seltzer and
Speaker 1: it just like it writes me. And I think that
Speaker 1: younger people don't really know about the older people medications,
Speaker 1: about the older people's solutions. Hums um. I mean pepto
Speaker 1: has always kind of been in my arsenal um, but
Speaker 1: that's more of like an emergency thing. Like pepto is
Speaker 1: like for when you're sick and throwing up, but like
Speaker 1: for the person who eats too much professionally Alka seltzer
Speaker 1: buy some, and and also for the hangovers in the
Speaker 1: morning because it's a combination of baking soda, aspirad and
Speaker 1: like citric acid, so it like does the stomach, it
Speaker 1: does the pain, everything everything, And like young people don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I'm still, in fact, getting used to just
Speaker 1: the concept of self medicating. I almost I'm so afraid
Speaker 1: of putting things in my body, but I have to
Speaker 1: get over that and constantly ing substances. I also and
Speaker 1: that was a beautiful shout out, Thank you, Jammy. I've
Speaker 1: also been getting into I recently. I had a stomach
Speaker 1: ache after drinking one night and I had an Alka
Speaker 1: seltzer in it fixed me and I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: so that's what that's for. It was incredible. You heard
Speaker 1: it here first, folks. There you go, there you go. Well, Jammy,
Speaker 1: this has been an absolute delight, really really an incredible episode.
Speaker 1: I need to re listen and take notes. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're going to be the one editing
Speaker 1: this episode, then definitely, I'm gonna There are a few
Speaker 1: things I need to take out on my end, but
Speaker 1: I had a great time. Well, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for doing it, and see you on the flip side.
Speaker 1: Bye bye.