WEBVTT - "Misandry" w/ Tammie Teclemariam 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:25.720 Um okay Um podcast starts now. Hello intellectuals out there, 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.360 my where my readers at. You are listening to Stradio 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:35.920 lab Um, the smartest podcast that is UM. Two gay guys. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.480 You do not sound like you believe in what you're saying. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.760 Will let me just say that first of all, huh 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.360 so now I'm supposed to believe in everything that I'm saying. 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:48.360 You know, this is news to me. I thought this 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:53.240 is entertainment and it's a facade and it's fake. Um. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.600 You know, today Scarlett Johansson launched a skincare line, and 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.520 in her statement, she said, you know in the past 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.960 that I've been the face of different things that I 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:02.920 have not been my own. I felt like I was 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.120 playing a character, and I felt like it was time 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.320 to do something that really felt my own. And it 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.080 made me think how crazy it is that her past 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:19.120 spokesperson uh efforts had not been genuine. That's so disheartening. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.399 I mean to all the customers out there that bought 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.800 a cream thinking I'm buying this because the real Starlett 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.360 Johanson told me too, they deserve a refund. They do. Actually, 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.920 we should do a class action lawsuit. That could be 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.920 so big and the reasoning is that she didn't really 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:42.040 believe in it. Yeah, I think there's something to it. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.880 It's false advertising, really, and isn't that illegal? I'm pretty 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.200 sure that illegal. Isn't it interesting that by definition all 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:53.040 advertising is false advertising? And why is that because it's 0:01:53.240 --> 0:02:00.840 um acting? You know? Sure? Sure, sure and not. I 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.400 think if someone was what we need is really really 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.880 self aware ads. We need no like no, no, no, no, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.359 hear me out, hear me out, because just to make 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.040 sure it's not legally it's not false, like they need 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.519 to be like, Hey, I'm doing this ad and I'm 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.000 being paid this much money and I only believe in 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.440 this product of this much um but that's like better 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.960 than a lot of other products. And I actually, you know, 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.560 so take this with a grain of salt. But I 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.880 think you know, they're paying me to say this, but 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:33.959 I think you should buy it, you know what? Though, 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.000 Then that gets into I remember very specifically the Super 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.280 Bowl ad with Anna Kendrick where she made a joke 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.359 about she was like, oh, what you want me to 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.639 advertise this beer? Like the whole joke was that she 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.560 was getting ready to film the ad, but she didn't 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.760 believe in it. And she was like, what a fine shirt, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.600 drink Newcastle beer. And I don't want that. I need 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:56.240 people to commit. Well, so you want the fake you 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.800 you think there's um the artifice is the beauty about 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.120 to what I'll say, I think every ad should be 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:07.600 kind of like a perfume ad, like a short film, 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:12.120 you know, directed by Denny Vedneuve for instance. Sure you 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.360 want someone to like repost the ad and just go mood, No, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.800 this is what I want. I want ads to be 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:22.760 so fake that there's no confusion, Like when I watch 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:24.960 a Perfume add and it's like someone it's like a 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.280 it's you know, there was one where Adam Driver is 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.560 riding a horse on the beach. I'm under I'm under 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.640 no um delusion that I'm going to smell like Adam 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.200 Driver or a horse or a beach for that matter. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.600 But I am just enjoying the visuals and I'm saying, well, 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:46.800 they they kind of gave it, They're all I like that. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.440 So you think the ads should just be sort of 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.640 colors and images and uh, and then they list what 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.600 the product is at the very end. Maybe not even that. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.960 I would say, leave the leave the viewer wanting more 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:07.240 I would say, as if you're watching let's you're watching, um, 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.880 you know, an NBC sitcom, then ads should actually then 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.000 the sitcom itself should be kind of lowest common denominator 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:17.520 humor targeted towards the imaginary middle class family that executives 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.120 are talking down to. Then you cut to the ads. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:26.800 It's all art films. I guess I'm confused why, because 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.000 at what point do you like you have to even 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.279 the perfume example, there is a you do know it's 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.840 for perfume slightly Yeah, I guess that's true. So what's 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:43.000 your So what are you saying? For many ideas, I 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.479 just think it needs to be maybe more like um 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.680 almost like a drag race challenge. It can still be 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:51.479 completely nonsensical, but it does need to at some point 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:55.520 list the product. Do you like humor in ads? Do 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.080 I like humor in ads? This is a difficult and 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.919 complicated question, and because at this stage in my life, 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.440 absolutely not. I think I think every ad should be 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:10.560 as bland as possible. But you know, I feel like 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.400 you ten year old Sam watching a funny ad, I'm 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.920 all in. I I mean, that's where all comedy thrived 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:22.719 was Skittles ads from you know, two thousand five or whatever. 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:24.920 You've got to get them while they're young, and and 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:30.360 and and convince kids to purchase products primarily sugar filled ones. Yeah. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.880 And so that's a funny ad can can work if 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:38.279 you're a child or a stunted adult, but as a 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:43.480 fully formed, um completely perfectly developed adults, I don't need 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.440 you to be funny to me. Just tell me what 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.640 it is. Yeah, Okay, So I want a series of 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.719 art films, you want a series of kind of robotic 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:57.120 voices saying please buy this product. Yeah, Because it's not 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.039 that I don't want to buy products. There's plenty of 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.440 products I loved, I love to buy. It's just tell 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.720 me straightforward, is this a good product? Do I need it? 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:13.120 And why? Okay, how are you feeling? How am I feeling? Um? 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:14.680 You know? And this is tough. It's what we talk 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.520 about sometimes. This is the weekday recording. So I feel 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.880 like I am having to put so much effort into, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.520 say to saying a simple sentence. It's hard. Week days 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.000 are hard to go straight from like really trying to 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.360 focus and then being like okay, now be silly, now 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.359 be now be dumb. It is I would say, I 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.160 would say, I am. The effort I'm exerting right now 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:40.080 to have just a normal conversation is more than you know, 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:45.159 some people that have climbed Mount Everest. Yeah, they're lazy. 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.920 In comparison, I would say, you can climb out Everest, 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:49.680 But have you tried having a full time job and 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.160 then recording a podcast after? It's actually much harder. People 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.360 have died doing this. People have died doing what we're 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.880 doing right now, and and yet we're still spout to 0:06:59.920 --> 0:07:02.719 do this. And by the way, we have no supervision. 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.279 No one's sort of waiting to save us. There's no 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:09.480 base camp, there's no intimacy coordinator, there's no Musy coordinator. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.200 We just have to get through it and and live. Yeah, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.040 I mean I think maybe it's like about trying less 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:21.680 hard and sort of letting the natural flows happen. Okay, 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.840 that's a great idea. Let's try less hard. Um, Okay, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.040 how do we start now? Yeah? Okay, less hard less? 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.240 How do we try less hard? Okay? Well, not to 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.720 it's gonna be trying less hard? Is just this ready? Okay? 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:42.720 So George, how how how was your weekend? Um? It 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:47.800 was good? I am watched a movie called The Worst 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.240 Person in the World. Have you seen it? No, God, 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.200 damn it. I thought you had because you said something 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.480 about movies that have chapters, and I thought that's what 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.280 you're referring to, and so I thought maybe it would 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.320 be a productive line of questioning. Oh damn no, I 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:06.040 was watching kill Bill, which has chapters. You think of it? Yeah? Oh, 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.000 did you not like Worst Person in the World. I'm 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:13.920 just kind of like, Okay, that's enough. I often feel 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.840 like people get confused when, like when people go to 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:18.760 the movies and someone speaking of foreign language, they were 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.160 immediately like is this deep? And sometimes it's actually not 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:27.440 that deep. M I think there's something to that. I mean, 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.880 I can't I didn't see the movie, so I but 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:36.599 I can't say. When we, you know, did our screening 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:41.360 and we left that being like, well, was it that good? 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:43.880 It's interesting that you called us going to the movies 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.240 to watch a movie. Did doing a screening as we 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:52.959 actually we actually planned ourselves. We Yeah, we hosted a 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.720 screening at Williamsburg Cinemas. Great turnout. Um didn't know a 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.880 single person. Yeah, here's what all say. You're back in 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.160 New York after being stuck in Chile because you had 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.640 COVID for a full week. How does it feel? It 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:13.800 feels incredible? Um, yeah, I'm like I went to a 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.640 coffee shop on Sunday when I got back and I 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:21.520 was like, oh, yeah, this is the stuff, like just 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.640 like everyone's buying like twelve dollar egg and cheeses. And 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:31.000 I'm like, yeah, this feels really good right now. Like 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.400 they're playing songs that I know that are like sort 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:40.120 of like yeah but hearkening to dare I say the 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:45.560 Pitchfork listener and You're like, wow, yes, yes, my my 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.280 culture is here being pandered to. Yes, being pandered too, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.200 And I understand how I'm being pandered too. And it 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.720 felt so good. Do you ever? I was in a 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.240 story the other day and the playlist was so catered 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:02.640 to my tastes that I actually became a offended. What 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.719 were they What were they hitting you with? They were 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.600 hitting it was? It was like weirdly, I would say, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.600 it was a lot of like women singer songwriters and 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.320 and just not not deep cuts, but just off center 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.400 enough that it was always like the third or fourth 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:21.600 single from the respective albums. As I was kind of 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.600 going it was a bookstore as I was going through, 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.240 you know, right now, in bookstores, I'll do this cute 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.520 thing where rather than having just new fiction new nonfiction, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:36.240 we'll have a little like you know, lgbt Q, you know, humor. 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:41.160 And it's like, are you talking to me? Sure? Sure? 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.400 I like being pandered too to an extent, do you 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.000 I get? I get? I mean, listen when it's not there, 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.240 you miss it, of course. But then but then sometimes 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.440 I'm like, is everything I'm doing just a version of 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:58.560 a personaliz like are our personalized algorithms extending to the 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.920 physical world, and just by a nature of how I 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.880 am controlled, how I am expected to act, I'm only 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.680 going into places that are basically, you know, the little 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.199 corner of Amazon that i'd be going to anyway. Right, 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.840 that's a good question. Did you watch SpongeBob as a child, 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.640 of course? Do you know the episode where squid Word 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.800 goes to the world where it's all squid words and 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.680 they all the same interests. Yes, that's it's kind of 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.960 how Brooklyn feels. Yeah, and it is sometimes you can 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.560 really backfire and you're like, I just I need to 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.439 be around like a normal suburban persons that I can 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.040 feel edgy and interesting. Sure, well that's what we were 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.080 talking about last week with hanging out with straight guys. 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.679 Mm hmmm. H You know, I was recently at a 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.360 party that was um it was a friend of mine who, 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:46.200 to our credit, has gay friends, but by complete coincidence, 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.560 all of them except me could not make it to 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:52.760 this party. And I'm not exaggerating. I literally started naming 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.920 off other people. I was like, is this person here? 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:56.640 Is this person here? Is this person here? And all 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.199 of them either were traveling or were unavailable, and I 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.160 found myself truly the sole the only gay person in 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:06.360 this entire birthday party. And um, I kept having these 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.360 conversations that I thought we're going to go one way 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.280 and then went like I was having a conversation about 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.400 you Guessed podcast with someone and I thought we were 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.840 on the same page, and she was like, oh, what's this? 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:19.880 What do you like? What do you like whatever? And 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:21.120 then at the end that I was like, so, which 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.320 ones do you listen to? And she goes, you know, 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:27.080 like pod save and so you were, And I was like, 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.760 you have to understand, I had just spent about seven 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:34.160 minutes explaining our podcast to this person, thinking that like 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.200 they were in the headspace where they would like kind 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:42.280 of yes and me, and then I kept asking and 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.160 it turned out that this is someone who listened to 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.960 the audio version of The Rachel Maddow Show to fall asleep. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.520 Oh no, well that's tough. You know, podcasts a lot 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.800 of different podcasts out there and a lot of different 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.679 kinds of listeners. It is not a model. If Misha's 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.920 parents were like, how we listen to your podcast and 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:06.320 I'm like, nope, you're not allowed to. It's just I 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.120 know what you think, because it was because we were 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.600 shouted out on the NPR show of course who can so? 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.200 And Misa's parents are like, well, this must mean it's 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.280 for us, And I was like, did they listen to 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:21.720 the NPR show? They did? WHOA, yeah, But I really 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.040 I don't think it would be good for you know. 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.680 One of the most I would say, one of the 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.360 cruelest things you could do is when someone says they 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:34.120 have created something, ask how can I consume it? Yeah, 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.200 it's like if you can't find it, kind of like, 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.360 let them come to you if I want you to. 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.400 If I want you to witness something that I have 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.079 had involvement in, I will find a way to get 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:49.520 it to you. Yeah. Uh wait, should we bring a guest? 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.560 I think it's time. Okay, kick us off. Okay, folks, 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.800 here's the thing. This is a huge get for us 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.760 because we know we normally First of all, there are 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:04.040 many kind of intersecting themes here. One is this is 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.000 someone who is a former colleague of mine, and I 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:07.840 have said on this podcast that I will never have 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.160 my colleagues on the podcast because of course that would 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:14.120 create a toxic work environment wherein I choose certain people 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.280 say you are worthy, and do not choose other people 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.920 say flop, sit down and um. And so my rule 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.360 has always been, you know, if someone potentially leaves the 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:27.640 company that employs me, I will immediately have them on. Now, 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:32.600 this person, we normally never promote anything that anyone works 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.880 on because we don't believe in the economy. But this 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.160 person left Gawker in order to be New York Magazine's 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.160 diner at Large, meaning her job is literally to go 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:46.400 around dining largely around New York City and then write 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.920 about it in her own newsletter. And I have to 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.520 say it has been an absolute joy to read. And 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.680 I this is a one time I will ever promote 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.760 anything I guess has ever done. Go look her up 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:03.440 and subscribe, But for now, please put your gorgeous gloved 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:10.800 hands together for Tammy Techlo Marium. Hello everyone, what is up? Wow? 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.840 That was a great introduction and I really feel like 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:20.000 you gave me the respect of an entertainer and that's 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:24.200 not something that a writer is used to. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.640 Well when you're here, you have to step it up 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:31.720 and be an ault comedian. I'm ready. I this feels 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.520 like such an accomplishment for me because you know, I 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.920 sure like I watched a lot of stand up on 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.520 Comedy Central growing up, a lot of SNL, you know, 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.920 but I I I've never I've never had the cajones 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:51.280 to to to step up into a crowd and do it. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.920 So just to just to be embraced, even in this 0:15:55.120 --> 0:16:00.400 socially distant way by the comedy community, is really it's 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.320 a huge thing for me and I don't want to 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.080 mess it up. So and this is only the first 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.920 step I mean to do to do a zoom podcast, 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.440 I would say it is the first step towards a 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.320 long career. I'm seeing open mics in the future. I 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:20.760 am seeing potentially a mini tour opening for you know, wow, 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.200 I would say, you know, I would I could absolutely 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.280 see you opening for j would be so into my hair, 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.240 Oh my god, and he would just be like sassing 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.960 it up. Look, somebody has got to reign in Queer Eye. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:44.880 Those are just a little too comfortable, a little too comfortable. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:49.240 I actually have to admit something very very true is 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:54.040 that I started watching Queer Eye. This it's hidden for me. 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.840 I don't know what I'm going through, but it is 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:01.000 working so well. I'm all in. I moved. I can't 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:05.439 get enough on the stuff. Nationalist propaganda, it really is. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.760 It is nationalist problem. And I would say it's honestly 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:12.320 straight propaganda because they're they're they're they're going there and 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:16.720 humiliating themselves and propping up straight people. Oh but someone 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.520 is the straight people need to be propped up. They 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.360 have such sad lives. But sometimes straight people are cops. 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.080 That's true most of the time. I think I read 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:31.239 somewhere the contestants career I are police officers. Yeah, it's 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:36.119 Queer Eye for the cop. I guy. Um. I do agree, though, Tammy, 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.359 that they need to be reined in. One of the 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.120 most difficult things in our culture is to say that's 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:49.679 enough to a queer influencer. God, you're telling me, you know, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.720 you give them an inch and they take, and they 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.560 take and they take, and then all of a sudden 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.760 they've got a full sent of set of nails and 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.560 in your accent, I mean, not my accent, but like 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:07.520 somebody's accident. Definitely there. Yeah, the day that the day 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.040 that gay men start acting like me is the day 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:15.840 that I publicly say something about it. But they suddenly 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.600 if they suddenly started, you know, live blogging their restaurant 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:23.320 trips and talking about why, then you would have to 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.840 speak up and say that is appropriation. I should actually 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:32.880 just call out every gay person who does the same 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:37.760 thing I do as appropriation. I guess gay non poc. 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.400 I don't know. I mean it's like it's like when 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.720 you're when you're sifting it out, you know. I prefer 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.320 not to make large generalities. I like to go just 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.359 like digging into an example and then hope that people 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.720 can learn from it totally, you know, because you can 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.240 never really like, right, the commandments? What was it? What 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.280 can you think of an example where a gay man 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:08.240 copied you? Um? Wow? Uh god? Um no, I mean Okay, 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.600 Like I only like brought up myself because like it 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:16.840 would be ridiculous even like, you know, the stereotype is 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.239 that like gay men and in fact, like a lot 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.239 of people just like to steal their mannerisms from like 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.240 black women or like you know, black famin culture. Uh. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.240 But I think it would be pretty impossible or maybe 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.080 just embarrassing for me if like a gay person tried 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:34.960 to do that and just like be me like, I 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.520 don't know, I'm just like I don't know, I'm yeah, 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:44.040 I'm not put you right right right, interesting, So like 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.359 it would be like it would be like copying friendly 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:51.160 bo its, right, and then someone being like that sexist. Yes, 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.840 I mean if someone were to steal your mannerisms, it 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.719 would be a very personal attack, and it would in 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.440 fact be an impression it was, yeah, and an honor. 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.320 Actually you should be so lucky for j v N 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.480 to steal your manner. This girl in high school really 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.840 looked up to me, and I remember somebody else being 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.600 like she's starting to talk to you, talk talk like you, 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.760 and like she says things the way you didn't. I 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.439 didn't really notice it until I did, and I didn't 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.800 get it, but I guess she just looked up to me, 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.359 and that's cool totally. I wonder I always wonder was 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.560 I Was I actually a follower when I was younger. 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:33.720 M M, it's so hard to tell. Was not even 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:35.919 a little You've been a trailblazer from the from the 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:40.480 get go. Look, it's not easy being Tammy. And I 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:44.200 think this is why I don't suffer from this, this 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.160 kind of thing where like I go into a place 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.359 and I'm just like, oh, like I I feel seen, 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.760 because like I've never felt seen, okay, And there's a 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:57.080 liberation in that, and all of a sudden it pays 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:02.280 off in that I just don't feel like anybody is 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.800 competing with me no matter what. Like I'm just like 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.920 a little crazier or like a little more deprived or 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:13.000 a little weirder, you know, like I I Yeah, it's 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.960 it's I'm a maverick. I'm a maverick. Wow, the last 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:22.399 true individual. Yeah, we found one. We found one, and 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:28.320 she said yes to doing a gay podcast. Yeah. I 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:30.560 do feel like that was always like a thing in 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.760 school though, it was always being like well, like everyone 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.680 wanted to claim like I invented that word, Like when 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.200 a new word would kind of fly around. Someone would 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.240 be like, well, actually that's mine. I came up with 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:44.959 that word. I was the one that came up with boa. 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.080 And it was like, well no, because my cousin say 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.760 it so like and he was saying it the last year, 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.760 and it was always a big debate who came up 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.840 with what. It's interesting the small boxes we put ourselves 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:06.240 in where saying booya is a cause for celebration. Well, 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:12.480 everyone's so desperate to own something, and especially when you're 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.320 a child and you have no no agency over your life, 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:18.159 I think all you can control is the fact that 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.320 you came up with the word buya. But even that's 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:25.600 a lie. Yeah. I used to really feel competitive in 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.600 like the indie music game in high school, you know, 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.760 just like especially like back in the day you know, 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:37.840 with c d s with illegal downloading, where like your 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:41.840 collection really meant something and all of that's been eradicated 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.920 with Spotify and stuff, but like, you know, back when 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:49.919 I was in high school, like music still was like 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:53.679 largely like along racial lines or like you know, you 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.480 just like we're defined by like the rap people listen 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.120 to wrap, the rock people listen to rock. And then 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:06.200 like I was just trying to download as much obscure 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:09.240 music as possible to just be an expert and something 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.280 that other people didn't know about. But also it's just 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.320 like you had to, like you had to listen to 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:16.560 music in order to know what it was like. It 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:20.600 was not easy to I don't know. Jonathan Richmond sounded 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.760 like like you would have to like find somebody who 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:27.560 had the b sides of Pavement or something, somebody's older brother. 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.679 Like it was just work. And I think, you know, 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:32.720 when you come from that kind of culture with a 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:37.800 work ethic, you just you take that with you everywhere 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:44.240 that you go Spotify playlists, you know, up from your 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.959 boot straps about it. I mean, you know, and and 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.840 I didn't necessarily like I wasn't allowed to like go 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.439 out all the time, you know, and like have the 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:57.520 experiences whatever. But at least, like you know, I was 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:02.359 like I was doing the work, as they said, right. Yeah, 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.439 it's interesting, you know, where do you put that energy 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:09.639 now that everything is so accessible? It's like, you know, 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:14.280 now that you can't be defined by your tastes, then 0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:17.200 I guess you know everyone then I guess the only 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:22.120 thing left is to get lip filler. Well, see this 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.840 is where wine comes in. It was a very candy 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:30.080