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Speaker 1: Um okay Um podcast starts now. Hello intellectuals out there,

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Speaker 1: my where my readers at. You are listening to Stradio

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Speaker 1: lab Um, the smartest podcast that is UM. Two gay guys.

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Speaker 1: You do not sound like you believe in what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Will let me just say that first of all, huh

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Speaker 1: so now I'm supposed to believe in everything that I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is news to me. I thought this

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Speaker 1: is entertainment and it's a facade and it's fake. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, today Scarlett Johansson launched a skincare line, and

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Speaker 1: in her statement, she said, you know in the past

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Speaker 1: have not been my own. I felt like I was

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Speaker 1: playing a character, and I felt like it was time

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Speaker 1: spokesperson uh efforts had not been genuine. That's so disheartening.

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Speaker 1: I mean to all the customers out there that bought

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Speaker 1: a cream thinking I'm buying this because the real Starlett

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Speaker 1: Johanson told me too, they deserve a refund. They do. Actually,

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Speaker 1: we should do a class action lawsuit. That could be

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Speaker 1: so big and the reasoning is that she didn't really

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Speaker 1: believe in it. Yeah, I think there's something to it.

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Speaker 1: It's false advertising, really, and isn't that illegal? I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure that illegal. Isn't it interesting that by definition all

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Speaker 1: advertising is false advertising? And why is that because it's

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Speaker 1: um acting? You know? Sure? Sure, sure and not. I

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Speaker 1: think if someone was what we need is really really

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Speaker 1: self aware ads. We need no like no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: hear me out, hear me out, because just to make

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Speaker 1: sure it's not legally it's not false, like they need

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Speaker 1: to be like, Hey, I'm doing this ad and I'm

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Speaker 1: this product of this much um but that's like better

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Speaker 1: than a lot of other products. And I actually, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think you should buy it, you know what? Though,

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Speaker 1: Then that gets into I remember very specifically the Super

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Speaker 1: believe in it. And she was like, what a fine shirt,

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Speaker 1: drink Newcastle beer. And I don't want that. I need

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Speaker 1: people to commit. Well, so you want the fake you

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Speaker 1: you think there's um the artifice is the beauty about

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Speaker 1: to what I'll say, I think every ad should be

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Speaker 1: you know, directed by Denny Vedneuve for instance. Sure you

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Speaker 1: want someone to like repost the ad and just go mood, No,

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Speaker 1: this is what I want. I want ads to be

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Speaker 1: so fake that there's no confusion, Like when I watch

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Speaker 1: a Perfume add and it's like someone it's like a

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Speaker 1: it's you know, there was one where Adam Driver is

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Speaker 1: no um delusion that I'm going to smell like Adam

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Speaker 1: But I am just enjoying the visuals and I'm saying, well,

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Speaker 1: So you think the ads should just be sort of

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Speaker 1: It's all art films. I guess I'm confused why, because

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Speaker 1: the perfume example, there is a you do know it's

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Speaker 1: for perfume slightly Yeah, I guess that's true. So what's

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Speaker 1: then recording a podcast after? It's actually much harder. People

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Speaker 1: So George, how how how was your weekend? Um? It

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Speaker 1: how the fund do these girlies do it? And it's

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00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: just because they're not buying wine like I have to pick.

426
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: It's it has to be personal and or order to

427
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: to really work, Like I mean, I know that people

428
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: fake their interests or they're sort of like you know,

429
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: they sort of like get into wine and halfheartedly and

430
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: they aren't necessarily like reading books about it immediately or

431
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: like trying to make their taste systematic or something. Um,

432
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: but like your brain and your tongue and your body

433
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: is like processing all of this stuff and so ultimately,

434
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: like it's a very personal lexicon of like you know, taste,

435
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: sensations that you're getting, and feelings and emotions and it

436
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 1: ultimately always has to be personal. But people always do

437
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: manage to like make it about artifice and uh, and

438
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: that's fine. I mean, you know, look at the label

439
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: of this bottle, right, don't you want don't you want

440
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: to drink it? This is like the most like pop

441
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: fun label and wine didn't used to be like that,

442
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, when it was exclusively just about like snobbery

443
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: and knowing what you're doing. But now it's a little

444
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: bit more open, and now it's like easier to participate in,

445
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: maybe in the way of like picking out an album

446
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: based on the cover, um, but still like you know,

447
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: just like with indie rock, everybody can tell if your opposer, wow,

448
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: I love Wine as the new indie rock. Well that's

449
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: and I guess it's like kind of that still makes

450
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: it intimidating because it's like, oh, wow, I remember that

451
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: constant fear around music of being like, am I being

452
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 1: authentic enough? Am I like, do I actually like this?

453
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: Or do I like this because Pitchford gave it a nine?

454
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: Or like how much am I like understanding the history

455
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: of this and what is Yeah? And the answer was

456
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: like to the lay person, yes, I was authentic. To

457
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: the real indie rock people, not at all. And to

458
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,239
Speaker 1: like put myself in that world of wine, I'm like,

459
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, I'm not ready yet. But

460
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: the things that scare you the most should inspire you.

461
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: Exactly say that, And now we said it, and now

462
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: we said that. You know what my favor I used

463
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: to when I live in California. I would go to

464
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: Napa or Sonoma to go wine tasting, and there is

465
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: nothing more refreshing than the kind of California wine culture

466
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: that is so unpretentious because you would go to these

467
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: places that alleged you know, I'm not an expert at all,

468
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: but I these you know, these were places that came

469
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: highly recommended, had allegedly very good wine, and the people

470
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: serving it and talking to you about it and who

471
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: knew about it were like wearing you know, board shorts

472
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: and flip flops. They were like totally normal, random Californian

473
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: people had been like wine makers for three generations. And

474
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: I guess it just goes to show you, Um, I

475
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: don't know what point. Well, oh wow, no, no, this

476
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: is so I'm like malwatching today much more than I

477
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: ever had before, and I don't know why. It is humiliating.

478
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: Wow No, I mean we just got off a three

479
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: day weekend. I truly feel like embarrassed that I can't

480
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: form a sentence today. I guess him it's it's like

481
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: that thing of like seeing a parent like not be

482
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: able to like do the parent functions I know, and

483
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: it's I'm like, oh no, this is he's actually in trouble. No, No,

484
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: it's exactly like that. Yeah, I'm like, I don't, I

485
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like not coming. It's it's not coming

486
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: to me today. And I feel like Tammy is bringing

487
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: so many concepts and ideas to the table, and I

488
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: like keep trying to yes, and and I'm like giving

489
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: up halfway through. This is my first day of comedy

490
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: and you're already doing doing comedy lapse around me. Let

491
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: me tell you that, Yeah, you know what might bring

492
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: you back, George. Yes, our first segment, Yeah, so Tammy.

493
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: Our first segment is called straight Shooters. And in this segment, meanwhile,

494
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: we'll cut all of the instances of me not knowing

495
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. It. I'm gonna sound so smart

496
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: when this airs. Our first segment is called straight Shooters.

497
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: And in this segment, we test your familiarity with and

498
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: complicity and straight culture by asking you a series of

499
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: rapid fire questions where we have to choose one thing

500
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: or another thing. And the one rule is you can't

501
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: ask any follow up questions and if you do, you

502
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: will be disqualified and forcibly uh exited off of this. Joe, Sam,

503
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: would you like to go first. Sure, I'll kick us all, okay.

504
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: The Love Song of j Alfred Prufrock or The Emancipation

505
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: of Me Me Mimi okay, Tammy MacBook Air or vitamin

506
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: water MacBook Air okay, like really undid vitamin water for me.

507
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: I can't get done with him. I just anyway, Yeah,

508
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: I did. I forgot how good of a song in

509
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: the club is. I was like, damn this, Yeah, it's

510
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: a great song. It's a classic for sure. The super

511
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: Bowl sort of. I was like, okay, I want to

512
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: hear at a party anyway. Tony Hawk or Jack Sparrow

513
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: Tony Hawk. Wow, that's a really good one. Um. Laurence

514
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: of Arabia or Florence in the Machine, Laurence of Arabia, okay.

515
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: Mermaids or milkmaids. Milkmaids because they carried chicken pox? Whoa

516
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: cow pox? I'm not sure, probably can't existed. I'm gonna

517
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: have to look like that, like milkmaids didn't have the disease.

518
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember something like that. Death on the Nile

519
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: or a life on the fast Lane. Fast Lane, Baby,

520
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: you gotta okay? Flirting with disaster or flirting with ari

521
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: Astor to be in his next film. Uh, I don't

522
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: ask people for anything. Disaster, okay, Tammy being John Malkovitch

523
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: or coming out Colton, I love that. Thanks, Oh my god,

524
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: um god fuck Coulton being chill and Malgovitch talk about

525
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: talk about someone who, much like other queer influencers we've mentioned,

526
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: needs someone to say no, oh boy, him more than most.

527
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: He's really one where it's like, oh wow, like the

528
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: way that being gay can um just set you on

529
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: a path to be an influencer who has a TV

530
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: show for no reason. I'm like, we are actually trying

531
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: to have TV shows and yet do not, and and

532
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: it makes me feel like we are not to advantage

533
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: of what the Lord has blessed us. That's right. Yeah,

534
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: it is weird to be rewarded for um not being interesting. Okay,

535
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 1: but like and like, please cut this out if like

536
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: it's going to cancel me HiT's name, Like, don't you

537
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: think that like he could have plotted all of this

538
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: in a gay way. Well that's the thing, Tammy, He's

539
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: not gay, that's the take away. I'm I'm team Tammy

540
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: on this. I think I think it could be evil

541
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: gay villain plotting Oh, you're saying he has plotted this

542
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: in a gay way. Well, I just meant like, like

543
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: he he's always known that he was going to come

544
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: out later on I how can I? I mean, but

545
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: you still don't think he's gay? No. See, here's what

546
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying. I thought like you were saying,

547
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: couldn't he have plotted it in a more gay way?

548
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: Like you're saying he's not gay enough? And I was like, well, yeah,

549
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: he's not really could have been more gay? Yeah, but

550
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: you're saying this now, Now that's a theory. So basically

551
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: you're saying that throughout this entire process, he wanted to

552
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: go on The Bachelor, get famous that way, and then

553
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: get the credit of being the first ever gay bachelor. Yeah.

554
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: I mean I think that like in and I can

555
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: only speculate as to what it's like to you know,

556
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: have the trauma of like being gay as a child

557
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: or something and having it covered up or whatever. But

558
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, from my own traumas and like the ways

559
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: that they've inspired me to like live a big life,

560
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: I can see someone with you know, as many you

561
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: know American gifts as Colton, you know, seeing his position,

562
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, his little like golden retriever face and just

563
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: just saying what can I do with this name? Another

564
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: like gay idol? I don't know, I don't know, No,

565
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: I see it. Well, it's like hell. He took stock

566
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 1: of the of the things that were handed to him

567
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I'm almost there because to

568
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: be a you know, he's a white man. His name

569
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: is Colton Um, he is. You know, he could have

570
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: just done hors that's true, that's true. But he did

571
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: it as far as we know. Sure, and you know,

572
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: judging on how coming out Colton does, there could be

573
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: a third act. I do think there's also like to

574
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: be to know you are closeted and gay and go

575
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: on the Bachelor is like you're like willing to make

576
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: a deal with the devil in a weird way, like

577
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: your life gets easier now. I'm starting to respect it

578
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: because it's psychotic. I certainly respect an evil plot more

579
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: than I respect you know, the data I have in hand.

580
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: At least there's some creativity involved in him, you know,

581
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: planning this, and in fact, I would say some media

582
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: criticism because he's taking advantage of these systems and kind

583
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: of like seeing where the culture is and it's like, Okay,

584
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: how can I use this to my advantage? I mean,

585
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, call it performance art. I don't know. I

586
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: didn't say that, And I think I briefly discussed this

587
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: with my friend who watched the same season that he

588
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: did of The Bachelor, and she's like, no, he's too dumb.

589
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: But it's like him being gay makes him that much smarter.

590
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: Like that the gay intelligence like puts you ahead, Like yes,

591
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: like that does give you the capacity to like be

592
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: able to plan and like be conniving and like yeah,

593
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: and to put to put on a performance as straight stupid,

594
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: you have to be very gay smart in order to

595
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: put on a convincing performance of straight stupid. The only

596
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: hole in this plot I feel is like, didn't wasn't

597
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: he also like abusive and psychotic to the woman, And

598
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: that's straight okay, And so that like even as a

599
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: plot point, like it just doesn't help. It doesn't like

600
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: further the narrative I think he wanted in a sense.

601
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: But then again, you know, all press is good pressed

602
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: to come out and something that something that many gay

603
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: men know is all press is good pressed, and what

604
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: do gay men hate women? So there you go. It's

605
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: a full proof plan at all pretty much, and he

606
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: did it speaking of speaking of gender relations, Yeah, men

607
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: and women and the differences there. Should we get into

608
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: our topic. Yeah, this is a very rich topic and

609
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: I would like Tammy for you to introduce us to

610
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: what it is and why you chose it. I'm so

611
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: delighted to present the Stradio Lab listeners with my topic,

612
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: which is something that we don't talk about enough. Um,

613
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: maybe something we don't talk about at all. It's ms

614
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: Sandry and am I even saying that with the right

615
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: in I've heard it both ways and actually, um, I

616
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: don't think anyone has agreed upon what is a correct way.

617
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's that type of word I think. Um, yeah,

618
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 1: I feel like miss Andrew would be a really good

619
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: that's a great drag name, maybe Colton. If he ever

620
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: does drag can go by Miss Andrew. People would would

621
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: and he would bring down the house, bring the house

622
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: down this as if he could give a performance. Come on,

623
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: I mean you have argued he already has, that's at all. Um. Yes,

624
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about Miss Andy, not just because

625
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's something that I feel very strongly about,

626
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: but also because I got an email from a reader

627
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: of my newsletter last week, and it's pretty short. Um.

628
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: I wrote a newsletter about dining alone and how some

629
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: people sitting next to me at the bar at a

630
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: restaurant came up to me to congratulate me on dining alone. Basically,

631
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: this woman came up to me as she was leaving

632
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: ing and she said, I love your evening. And I

633
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: was like, huh, and she was like, I love your evening.

634
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that we noticed that you

635
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Speaker 1: were just having such a great night, and we you know,

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Speaker 1: I we just wanted to say, uh, great job something

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00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: like that, yeah, yeah, which you know feels great. Uh.

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00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: And so I wrote about it and just like you know,

639
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: how it's condescending and how you should just you know,

640
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: leave people alone when they're dining alone, unless you're really

641
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: hot and rich and you know, wanting want to have

642
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: want to have a gay conversation with me, but you're straight.

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00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: M Well, we'll talk about the meaning of that later anyway. Uh.

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00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: This guy emailed me in response after it went on

645
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: grab Street, and he said I'm not going to say

646
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: what his name is, but his his email icon appears

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00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: to be some office buildings architecture NERD potentially potentially um

648
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: read this and comma for someone who is supposed to

649
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: be sensitive to racial stereotyping. Comma. I can't help wondering

650
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: why you refer to males in your articles as dudes

651
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: bros and disparage their table talk while all caps the

652
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: females are all called women. Looks miss andres to me,

653
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: how about you getting with some gender symmetry. And I

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00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: just want to say that with is spelled w I

655
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: T wit as in like cheese steak wit whiz, just

656
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: saying wow. So so it's more, it's like, the accusation

657
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: of miss Andrey is a very straight thing. I I

658
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: would are it's interesting because the accusation of miss Andrew

659
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: is a straight thing, while also the kind of fetishization

660
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: of Miss Andrew is also a straight thing. Of like,

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00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: the the culture of like fuck like, the culture of

662
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: like men suck he like like the thing is like

663
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: you haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg on

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00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: fucking miss and calling. Calling the three guys having a

665
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: boring conversation next to me dudes is not miss Andrey.

666
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: Identifying finance guys, sorry, finance men almost sounds more offensive

667
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: to be honest, to be honest because like now that

668
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 1: we're really playing that game, like I almost just wanted

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00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: to position myself as the enemy to all bankers, Right,

670
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: what is your relationship to miss miss Andrews, Miss Andrey

671
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: or miss Andrew. I know I'm gonna be struggling the

672
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: whole time saying it now. See, I was thinking about

673
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: it today as I was taking my hot girl long walk,

674
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: which is my version of fitness. And um, we could

675
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: never really know what miss Andrey in a vacuum is

676
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: because politically, Miss Andrey is not at all comparable to misogyny.

677
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: At this point, miss Andry is just like you know,

678
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: it's just like like a toddler fighting an elephant, Like

679
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: it's it's just like this is all I have to

680
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: console myself for the abject state of heterosexuality. Like I'm

681
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: just protecting myself from the depression that comes with dealing

682
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: with my attraction to men. Sure it's a mitigating factor,

683
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: it makes it tolerable, and it's like I can love

684
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: a man, I know that, Like I can have like

685
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: a great relationship with a man and still be a

686
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: Miss Andres like I am. In fact that's important. But

687
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: a misogynist could not love me. I mean, misogynist can

688
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: love me for many reasons. Um, but it's it's just

689
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: it's just not the same, you know. It's the same

690
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: way that like feminism and men's right are never going

691
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: to be the same thing. Sure, right, right, But imagine

692
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: if we could experience Miss Sandry and a vacuum. Imagine

693
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: if we could really just like put men in their place.

694
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: It is the ultimate fantasy. As a funny, Um, I

695
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: feel like there could be like a very bad college

696
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: production of a play that that's the premise, Like a

697
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: world where miss injury is real and the consequences are severe.

698
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: Take me, take me to Miss Andry Island. I mean

699
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 1: that could be a place in Greece like that. Let's

700
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: let's get the Sappho hologram pop in and just just

701
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: chain up some men, preferably white, just you know, because

702
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: like gone out of like a preference. Just you know,

703
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: it's an optics issue. First thing, they don't have to

704
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: they don't have to be Greek because George is in

705
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: this conversation. But but since we are talking about Greece,

706
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, we do have some linguistic roots here. I mean,

707
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: it's literally hatred of men, miss and Miss andrew I

708
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: want to say, Okay, first of all, I love that

709
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: this topic um doubles. That's sort of a docks thing

710
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: of this man um too. I I still am trying

711
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: to like put myself in the mindset of this person

712
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: that's talking this email, and it's really I can't imagine

713
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: being offended at the word dude and thinking that's like

714
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: a bad word, and it really makes me confused on

715
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: the mental state of this person. And if how you

716
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: could come to this conclusion, well, if I could, if

717
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: I could try to psychoanalyze a little bit. To me,

718
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: there is this kind of Internet lingo that is lightly

719
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: and almost semi ironically, Miss Andrews, And it's like calling

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00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: someone to do brow kind of saying things like this

721
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: kind of mean like, uh, internet language of being a

722
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: woman is a nightmare like men should all die like,

723
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: which is kind of like it is. It is a

724
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: way that people on the Internet speak that is of

725
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: course rooted in reality, like it is rooted in you know,

726
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: finding humorous ways to talk about like sexism and systemic

727
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: um inequalities and things like that. But then if you're

728
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: looking at that with no context and you're seeing someone

729
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: constantly making fun of men. Let's say, then in your mind,

730
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: not appreciating the context that this is all happening, only

731
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: looking at it be a horse blinders. You're like, oh,

732
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: oh no, there's a growing movement against men in this scenario.

733
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: Like when you say, the person who's looking at this

734
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: with no context, like that's only going to be a

735
00:45:53,920 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: straight man. Um, what's interesting is like it's not actually

736
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: no context. It's just that the context is his own subjectivity. Yeah, yeah,

737
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: And I mean it's it's also you're just always waiting

738
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: for this chance to like feel like somebody is like

739
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: talking about you, like like they they really haven't had

740
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: the spotlight in a while. And I think that for

741
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: it to be such a mundane thing, like this guy

742
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: just felt so comfortable checking me, you know, as though

743
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: he probably just he saw himself as like one of

744
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: those guys in the bar seat drinking an avocado cocktail

745
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: they didn't like, and oh my god. But then okay,

746
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: so then like it was three guys right, and then

747
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: one of them left, and then there were two guys left,

748
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: and the main one was just talking about his relationships.

749
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: And I swear to god, I have learned more from

750
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: just like listening to like rich men at bars on

751
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: this job that I haven't in all my time dating?

752
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: Was it two men talking to each other, yes, yes,

753
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: about light and then this guy is just like talking

754
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: about like how like you know, he like he knew

755
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: that he was being shitty to this girl, but he

756
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: still like let all these such and it's just like

757
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: it's it's everything you think they're thinking, you know, and

758
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: it's just like they're just as bad as you think

759
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: they are, you know. It's just like there's no there

760
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: is nothing more jarring than listening to two men talk

761
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: about dating it and it is exactly what you're saying,

762
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: where you're like, I thought we left this behind, Like

763
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: I thought we all kind of evolved together. And then

764
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: it's either I mean sometimes it is openly offensive like

765
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: you're saying, and then other times it's not offensive. It's

766
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: just like so belligerently simple minded, where you're like, oh no,

767
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: did you like have you kind of given any thought

768
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: to how other people's minds work? I mean this also

769
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: is like you see this in comedy as well, where

770
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: when you do like a club show, I did, I

771
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: did I performed at a comedy club last night, and

772
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: you think we've all grown together and we don't do

773
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: this these jokes. And there's multiple men going up and

774
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: being like, you know this girl I'm dating, she's a bitch,

775
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: like and it's like, whoa, whoa, you need to chill.

776
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: This is crazy, and you're saying it on stage. It's

777
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: one thing to say it as an asshole to your

778
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: asshole friend, but to be proud of it and think

779
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: it's worth shouting from the rooftops. It's um, it's crazy

780
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: to see that not not everybody has moved on. Yeah,

781
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: I mean I really feel like we're doing some like

782
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: antique Joe Rogan work right now. Sure, well especially you,

783
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: you know, leaning into the di slur dude because Diesler, Sorry,

784
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: I lost my tra thoughts. So Georgia, no, it is.

785
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: It is all about us lifting one another up because

786
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: it is a difficult night for brain capacity for me. Like,

787
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: so I want to get into like miss andres a

788
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: straight topic, Like are you are you basically saying that

789
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: like miss Andre can't exist? Then it is a figment

790
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: of the straight male man's imagination. Well, I think that

791
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: you kind of started to scratch at it a little

792
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: bit earlier when you were saying, when you were talking about,

793
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, the sort of contemporary sort of general Miss Anderson,

794
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: of a lot of content on the Internet where it's

795
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: just like ha ha, male genocide. But like it's almost like, yeah,

796
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: like Miss Andrey is a joke, no matter what, basically,

797
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: no matter what, Like I could literally tweet ha ha

798
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: male genocide right now. That's so that that is exactly

799
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: it is. Like when you see something that is like sexist,

800
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: there can be some argument about whether it is earnest

801
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: or ironic. But when you see something that's misendest, what's

802
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: so frustrating is that it could never actually have any

803
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: power because it is inherently a joke because there is

804
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: no way to actually use it to harm anyone. I

805
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: wish somebody could show me a situation of it working, right,

806
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: I guess that woman that like bit that guy's dick off.

807
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: Oh sure, there's a couple of dick dick cutting off tails. Yes,

808
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: but like she had to do so much labor, that's right,

809
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: and it was ultimately not to get too much into it,

810
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like she set out to do that,

811
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: like it was, I mean, it was in response, like

812
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: who is a woman that is going out and biting

813
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: the dicks off of innocent men. That would be Miss Andrey.

814
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: Like what I want to see. What I want to

815
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: see is like on the next Surprise Beyonce record, I

816
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: want to you know, in the same way that we

817
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: had like the feminism voiceover on Flawless, Like I want

818
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: to be reciting the definition of Miss Andrey on a

819
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: Beyonce song miss Andrews person who yeah, fights for the

820
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: subjugation of men. That would be really that would actually

821
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: be a pretty big if Beyonce came out as a

822
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: proponent of Miss Andrey and you yourself wrote a spoken

823
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: word poem in her latest Surprise release. I think then

824
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: we could start to talk about, you know, the sort

825
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: of equity between miss Andrey and misogyny. But right now, unfortunately,

826
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: Miss Andrey is like a trend on TikTok and and

827
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: a joke. Yeah yeah, um. I'm also thinking about miss

828
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: andre Is, Like, um, it's kind of funny to bring

829
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: up as a straight topic because I feel like, dare

830
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: I say, like the nineties, that would be like, that's

831
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: like the lesbian stereotype total is like lesbians are miss

832
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: Interests and hey, you're just a man hating lesbian. Um,

833
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: but I do think it's been reclaimed. Well, you know,

834
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: as uh Elive Icell said, the opposite hate is indifference. Yes,

835
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: that's right, right, But like, in order to like really

836
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: hate men, you have to love them. That I've always

837
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: thought that more as a lady sovereign in mindset love

838
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: me or hate me a slow obsession. Well, okay, so

839
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: you're God damn it, You're it's like truly dense with

840
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: theoretical heft um. So you're saying that in this in

841
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: this equation, it's like lesbians are indifferent to men, but

842
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: only straight women can be truly miss andres because their

843
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: hatred propels them towards men. Well, their love propels them

844
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: toward hatreds because like in the process of trying to

845
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: love a man, you will hate, yeah, and all of them. Currently,

846
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm just in I'm not in the process of loving

847
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: a man. I I cannot remember what that's like. So

848
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: right now, I just you know, I'm just in the

849
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: process of learning to hate all men. Wow, I guess.

850
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: But it's funny. It's funny. It's funny, you know, it's funny.

851
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Hilarious. Okay, she's a comedian. Um, I

852
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: guess I'm almost curious, like George, what's your personal experience

853
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: with hating men? Like I guess, like, what, what's the

854
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: perspective that's missing? Is like gay men? How do we feel?

855
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: Of course that is absolutely always the perspective that's missing. Well,

856
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: right now we've talked about the straight when we talking

857
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: to the lesbian, we haven't talked about and we are

858
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: too gay men, we can kind of speak on it.

859
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: I think it's important to bring up well, I just

860
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean what Damny is describing of overhearing two straight

861
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: men speaking about speaking in general, but also speaking about

862
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: a woman. It really is one of the most um,

863
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: emotionally impactful experiences one can have. It feels like, um,

864
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, you can't really say anything. What are you

865
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: gonna do go up to them and be like stop it,

866
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: you gross men? Like you can't do that. So you

867
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: kind of feel like, you know, Neo in the part

868
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: of the Matrix where his mouth is he can't open

869
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: his mouth, but he wants so badly to screen. Yeah,

870
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: and I would say, there is no you know, It's

871
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: funny because last episode we talked about how much we

872
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: loved hanging out with straight men, and of course this

873
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: is unfortunately the other side of that, where there is

874
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: no I love hanging out with straight men. I could sure.

875
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: That's the difference between like an individual and a community.

876
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: When you listen to two anonymous straight men talk, you

877
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: are reminded of all the ills of them as a community,

878
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: Whereas when you talk to someone one on one that

879
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: you are friends with or that you have I'm kind

880
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: of affection for, you're not thinking of them as a man.

881
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: You're thinking of them as an individual. Honestly, I'm thinking

882
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: of them as a projection of my best interests usually, right, Well,

883
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: the blankness of straight men can be used both ways, because, like,

884
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: on the one hand, it's it's an evil blankness. On

885
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: the other hand, it's a productive blankness because you can

886
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: project whatever you want onto it. This is why I

887
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: think the only safe kind of guy to pursue is

888
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: just a really really hot one like I and and

889
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: I think this is part of like, like why miss

890
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: andry is the foundation of feminism, because like I'm trying

891
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: to date out of my league, you know, like I

892
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to just like date a guy who

893
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: like doesn't have thoughts, you know, like just like just

894
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: give me, just give me body, give me, like a

895
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: glass of water at my bedside, like like like do

896
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: some chores for me, like you know, just like just

897
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: please be a guy and like a body and just

898
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: not don't try to speak. They'll try to be a mind.

899
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you're in this way objectifying men in fact, mm,

900
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: which I guess is the only power I do. It

901
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: is interesting objectifying men is the one thing that's still

902
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: legal to do. Look, you know, I um, I don't know.

903
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: We I don't know if we ever really claimed it

904
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: in in a good way, but I think that we

905
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: should just go back to trying to do that because

906
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: like guys with graduate degrees who are covering up their

907
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: inherited wealth are not it, Like they really really aren't.

908
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: Conversations with men who think that they're smart, like imagine

909
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: talking to Elon Musk and this is like peak for

910
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Like this is like Matt saying

911
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: out the female heterosexual card for like as far as

912
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: the game is played, yeah, do you feel like there

913
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: it's this um, this ideal of an intelligent straight man

914
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: is is kind of the assom tote that can never

915
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: be reached. Well, the thing is like analyze the quote

916
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: unquote like intelligent straight man and he's he goes he

917
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: knows what he is on the market, like if he

918
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: if he has any intelligence at all, and he's just

919
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: playing it for like the same like dumb rocks as

920
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: any other guy. So women should just play the same way. Wow. Yeah,

921
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: well I'm glad I got a kicker on that. I mean,

922
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: in many ways, in many ways, what you are looking

923
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: for is Colton before he came out. M the slab

924
00:57:53,400 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: of me. No thoughts, no thoughts, vibes I have I

925
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: have tweeted often about wanting to be the next Bachelorette ABC.

926
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: I know you. I know you listen ABC Exacts. I

927
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: know you're listening to this episode, so you know hear

928
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: me out. I think you would get some viewers. The

929
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: franchise would really go out with the baby. New York

930
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: media would light up. Would be a great last season

931
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: of the Bachelotte because, in fact, end the ratings would

932
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: be so interesting that they would end it. But Sam,

933
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: where do you stand on all of this? I'm seeing

934
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: so much happening on your what do you mean? Well, no, no,

935
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm more I'm now it's no, I'm being a George,

936
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: I would say, And I'm very self conscious of like

937
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: how I'm coming off in this episode today, Like I

938
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: feel like I'm well sure, but well, I mean you're

939
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: goin to the fact that it is Maybe maybe it's

940
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: that we are both implicated in this narrative about men.

941
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe this is what we're struggling with. Is like

942
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: not as much as Colton, absolutely, but we can only

943
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: relate so much because it's like who knows what someone

944
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: thinks when they hear us talking as strangers in a bar.

945
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not talking about women, but we are

946
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: potentially talking about things that make us sound very stupid.

947
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: Straight men. We are kind of on the sidelines with

948
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, like we interact with them, but in like

949
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: a polite like hello. Like it's never like we're not

950
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: going to be in love with one unless they're friend yeah,

951
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: and they're down to have sex or whatever. But we're

952
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: always sort of on the sidelines. And and it's so

953
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: I guess maybe it's hard to not have like a

954
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: personal like yeah, funck. Then like I can't think of

955
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: a way in well, we have kind of the simplest

956
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: relationship to straight men because you know, like when you're out,

957
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: but like historically gay men have been like propagating the

958
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: same you know, patriarchy as ever. Like I mean, it's

959
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: it's you know, homosexuality has been an incredible part of civilization,

960
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: just really really really defining and important to all of

961
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: the things that have ruined my life. It is true

962
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: when you think about how much homosexuality has been instrumental

963
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: in creating literally the power dynamics that we are currently

964
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: allegedly trying to um collapse, you're like, wait a minute,

965
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: maybe we're not as different as we think. No, I

966
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: think that's that's a very good point. And wow, I

967
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: mean who has been there every step of the way,

968
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: decorating all the offices. You know what gay men are

969
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: like two straight men's journey. It's sort of the okay,

970
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: now this is me getting canceled. Um, you know, I'm

971
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 1: talking about like the evil of the white moderate. That's

972
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: like gay men who are like just like chill with

973
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: straight guys. Like it's just sort of like, yeah, well

974
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: we're not doing the bad thing. But and it's it

975
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: sucks that they are, like we just sort of like

976
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: go along for the ruck, right, and we can enter

977
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: in and out of those spaces as we see fit. Sure,

978
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: I can deepen my voice to go into the boardroom. Yeah,

979
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: and I'll make that salary. Sure, why not. And I'll

980
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: get the mail salary because I'm a man. But oh,

981
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't think it's good what they do. No, No,

982
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: I would never watch the super Bowl. How tacky? Yeah

983
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: we have Yeah, so there you go. Of course, budda

984
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: judge made the mistake of trying to then ascend to

985
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: a higher role. But he didn't understand his position. No,

986
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: he can only be Secretary of Transportation. He's which is

987
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: so sad. He's the cabooze. He's the cabo Do you

988
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: think he should have been maybe more of like a

989
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: Coulton and sort of not come out until after he

990
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: was president. I think you pushed the Coulton card as much. Yeah,

991
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean he came out when he was like thirty six. Yeah,

992
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: but like, okay, even he came out after Mackenzie totally,

993
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: I think. But you're allowed to be a gay consultant, right,

994
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: well in some cultures. No, and that's such a huge problem.

995
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: It would be so funny McKenzie, especially like companies like

996
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: that love having all of them have like a sticker

997
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: on their brochures and it's like rated one on LGBTQ

998
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: Friendly by Goldman by you know, out magazine and Goldman

999
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: sacks well, and that's why their sponsors of this podcast. Yeah,

1000
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: he out the Golden sas thank you for Meanwhile, we

1001
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: were rated in terms of our gay friendliness. I want

1002
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: to thank Goldman for producing all of the bankers that

1003
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: I can make fun of. That's right, m h. It

1004
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: does make you think though, I mean, it's kind of

1005
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: like what you were talking about before, like what would

1006
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: the world look like if miss Andry could exist. It's like,

1007
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: what would the world look like if those bankers didn't exist?

1008
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: It would be unrecognizable? Would I get that money? I mean?

1009
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: The thing about the the reason why it's not just

1010
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: okay but important to make fun of finance guys in

1011
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: New York and every major financial center, uh City Center

1012
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: or whatever, is because they like they have too much

1013
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: money for no fucking reason, you know, like many of

1014
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: us living in poverty have. I mean, I guess I'm

1015
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: not like, please, I'm not living in poverty now, but

1016
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: two months ago I might have been there. Um, but

1017
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: we were smarter than them. Uh, but we just like

1018
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: aren't as you know, morally bankrupt or you know, boring,

1019
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: and and they just you know, get to like live

1020
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: their little lives like just you know, dating models and

1021
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: feeling good about themselves for no reason. And as a

1022
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: culture that really needs to be tamped down, maybe like

1023
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: they are just the the the you know, core of

1024
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: everything that's wrong with men right now. Maybe there's a

1025
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: way to weaponize the models. Huh. I mean I don't

1026
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: think so. I don't think so. I you know, people pretend,

1027
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: people pretend, and you know, and then like you know,

1028
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: you try to have like the little like special edition

1029
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: magazines like oh, let's talk about all kinds of things

1030
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it's like no, like like as far

1031
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: as America goes and like you know, Western culture, I

1032
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: think like the as long as the models are starving themselves,

1033
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: we're not going to have woke models. Yeah. And I'm

1034
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm diner at large. Like I really said that, you know,

1035
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: I just want the girls to eat. I just want

1036
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: the girls to eat. All. Get behind that. Yeah, tell,

1037
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: that's what I am. G truly. It's Yeah, finance rows

1038
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: are supposed to be made fun of. It's the trade off.

1039
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: They get to be rich, they get a little made

1040
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: fun of. That's like how it works. But it's like,

1041
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: what what kind of bargain is it when like the

1042
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: men who are paying for the dinners are the ones

1043
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: who are enforcing the standards that the women don't eat.

1044
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: Whoa dammy are you saying Western beauty standards are because

1045
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a comedian. No, you are absolutely crushing.

1046
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: You're unfortunately being a professor, And it's like, like classes, Really,

1047
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: I keep forgetting I should speak because I'm like, and

1048
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: then what you know, I don't know. I don't. I

1049
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't ascribing it to their their thrifty nous, their

1050
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: their niggardliness if you will, um, but I mean and like,

1051
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they're still willing to pay for like drinks

1052
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: and drugs and apartments and stuff. So it's not it's

1053
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: not cheap. It's just you know, about controlling what can

1054
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: give them pleasure. Yeah, And that's why I'm such a

1055
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: miss Sandra's because I get pleasure from so many things

1056
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: other than men, specifically my job, where I get an

1057
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: expense account to go to fancy restaurants. So do you

1058
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: think all women should have should be diners at large. Yes, okay,

1059
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: now this is our platform. Now see now we're now

1060
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: we're making moves towards rectifying these kind of social ills,

1061
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: and all of the gay diner, the foe dinner is

1062
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: at large. You know, the game in imitating me with

1063
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: all women. Okay, yes, and then we'll see how the

1064
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: straight guys react. Okay, no, no, it's this. I like this.

1065
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: So it's every company should have a woman diner at

1066
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: large funded by you know, the money is taken out

1067
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: of the salaries of these men, and then those diners

1068
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: at large making you know, six seven figures are out

1069
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: on the streets getting paid to eat well and humiliate

1070
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:47,479
Speaker 1: those men in the pages of major New York publications. Okay,

1071
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: I have a plan. I have a plan. Okay, what's

1072
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: your plan? Okay, what if we make it just so

1073
01:07:52,280 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: men aren't allowed to buy their own food? So that wow.

1074
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: So the way it works is you have to find

1075
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: a woman that is it's it's hinge, but taken to

1076
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: sort of an extreme dystopian level. Um, we we've been

1077
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: needing that, we've really needed that, so it can really

1078
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: humble them and really teach them to be kind and

1079
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: respectful because if not, they'll starve. But in this case,

1080
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: like because we still live in an increase incredibly unbalanced world,

1081
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: like the men have to venmo the women ahead of

1082
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: time for dinner and then some and then like it's

1083
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: still not certain if the women will ghost them. So

1084
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: like they might still be at the restaurant waiting to eat,

1085
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: waiting to eat for the first time that day, Okay,

1086
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: so hungry. They haven't even gotten a bread basket because

1087
01:08:53,840 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: the waitress saw that it was a man sitting alone

1088
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: and she was like, nope, nope, I'm not going to

1089
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: feed him. I'm not going to feed him. It really

1090
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: is such a small, such a small difference, you know,

1091
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: such a small tweak because we're not talking about redistributing wealth.

1092
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: We're not talking about large scale UH solutions right now,

1093
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: Like this is not universal health care. It's just one

1094
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: small tweak. Only women can purchase food. I mean, the

1095
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: world would change, you know if you want to what

1096
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: you can even use it, Like to have you saying,

1097
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, you can venmo woman and ask her to

1098
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 1: buy your food, but you're still gonna have to convince

1099
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: a woman to feed you. Yeah, And I mean it's

1100
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because like that that actually is how

1101
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:53,839
Speaker 1: the goddess wanted it when you know, when she invented breastfeeding. Oh,

1102
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: very interesting. Yeah, you know this is this is how

1103
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: nature should be in instead of this, you know, perversion. Right,

1104
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: So basically dining culture writ large should be more like

1105
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: breastfeeding instead of sucking dick. Wow. I mean I think

1106
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: we kind of got I'm there, I really do think

1107
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: is I think so too. There's and I'm not seeing

1108
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: this as a you know, empty catchphrase. I'm seeing this

1109
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: with all my heart. There was a lot to think

1110
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: about here. There's a lot to think about. Um. I

1111
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: think as we wrap up, I just want to say,

1112
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: if we said anything sort of stupid or embarrassing or um,

1113
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: something that you disagree with, just keep in mind we

1114
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: don't agree with it either, and I don't stand by it.

1115
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,839
Speaker 1: And we've already said whenever anyone tells us, whenever anyone

1116
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: disagrees with us, we're going to release a notes ap

1117
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: apology that just says never mind. H So, with that

1118
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: being said, Tammy, did you have something you want to say?

1119
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: Any conclusion? Conclusion concluding thoughts about miss Andrey, Well, I

1120
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, like, um, you know r E

1121
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 1: potential cancelation, etcetera. You know, this is my first real

1122
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: uh toe dip into professional comedy, and so you know, yes,

1123
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: go easy on me. But like you know, if there's

1124
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: a huge backlash, I understand, you know what happens to

1125
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: every major comedian, and you know, on my rise, things

1126
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: might happen, things might happen for it. Yeah, yeah, it's

1127
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: a good way to get fans. I agree. And you know,

1128
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: to come right out of the back, come out as

1129
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: a canceled comedian before you even come out as a

1130
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: comedian to begin with. Mm hmmm, that's kind of historic. Yeah,

1131
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like I'm postmail. Yeah, I was like

1132
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, I don't know. I was sitting

1133
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: for it to work too, because you know, it's just

1134
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: like it seems inevitable that every straight comedian is going

1135
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: to be canceled, like they they're just not good like

1136
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: like like because like already, like imagine like a funny

1137
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: straight guy. He can't he can't have a clean record,

1138
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: he can't. He just funny straight who who wants to

1139
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: like tell people about it? Like no, like the evil

1140
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: and I know some milk comedians. They are not They

1141
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:46,600
Speaker 1: are not good men. I mean you guys are I

1142
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: mean I only know charge. That's right, yea, Sam, you

1143
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: can vouch for me. Please give us money to eat please. Yeah,

1144
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 1: we're hungry. We're hungry. We haven't eaten all that because

1145
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: they've been waiting for this, for her to have a

1146
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: woman guest on our podcast. If you can buy us

1147
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: a burrito. Um, well, here's what I'll say. I think

1148
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: it's time for a final segment. Yes, uh so. My

1149
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: final second is called shout Outs, and in it we

1150
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: pay homage to the classic straight tradition of a radio

1151
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: shout out to anything that we are enjoying. I think

1152
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: it's two thousand one. You're in time of Square at

1153
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: TRL shouting out to your squad back home, just about

1154
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:33,440
Speaker 1: anything you like. George, do you have one? Oh God? Um,

1155
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: I can make you okay. What's up? Freaks in those

1156
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: days and perverts out there around the globe. I want

1157
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: to give a huge shout out to New York City,

1158
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: concrete jungle where dreams are made of. Yes, I am

1159
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: so happy to be back in Brooklyn, New York. Back

1160
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: to restaurants that are playing Indie rock Um and David

1161
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: Bowie in a knowing and cool way. I'm happy to

1162
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: be around stupid um minimal sort of white and gold

1163
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: decorum with too many plants and pastel MUDs. I'm happy

1164
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: to be in around girls in you know, cool jeans

1165
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: and chunky shoes and big, big, big puffy coats. I

1166
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,839
Speaker 1: am so so happy to be back because this city

1167
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 1: panders to me and it is beautiful. When I am

1168
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: in New York, I feel like a fish that has

1169
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: been dropped into a river. Suddenly I can move freely.

1170
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: I am powerful, I am strong, and I go with

1171
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: the flow. Baby girl, um, New York City, you are

1172
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: the most beautiful city in the world. XO XO Sam. Wow,

1173
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: what a tribute Alicia Keys found dead in a ditch Darling,

1174
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: all right, I can I can attempt something. What's up,

1175
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: Sexy Ladina's I want to give a quick shout out

1176
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: to when a salad has a lot of cheese, Oh yeah,

1177
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: and you don't expect that you see a giant bowl

1178
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: of green salad. I was at a dinner party the

1179
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: other night and there was an all vegetarian meal, and

1180
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: I have such affection in my heart for everyone making

1181
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: any kind of culinary decision period. But I didn't know

1182
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: what to expect here. I didn't know if we were

1183
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: doing dairy. I didn't know if you were doing cheese.

1184
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: Look I look at the salad. It seems like a

1185
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: pretty simple green salad. I kind of mixed things around.

1186
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: I see provolone in there. I was recently. I recently,

1187
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: in fact, learned that provolone is not just the cheese

1188
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: from subway, and that it is actually a fancy cheese

1189
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: that Italian people put in salads. Tammy looks shocked. You're Greek.

1190
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: Greek people have sort of the best salad cheese is ever. Oh,

1191
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: of course, I mean I love a feta. I love

1192
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Greek cheeses. But in my mind

1193
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: I never provolone to me. So Sam, would you have

1194
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 1: great people? You've never seen it? I would agree it's

1195
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: a sandwich cheese. I and of course I have seen

1196
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: it on menus, but it was always like, oh, I'm

1197
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: not going to get a salad of provolone. And I

1198
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: had the salad and it was one of the most

1199
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: licious things I've ever tasted. And so I say, more

1200
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: cheese on salads. In fact, if it's mostly cheese, maybe

1201
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: with a little bit of pesto. I'm there. I want

1202
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: to addend them that and also say Crutons are back, baby, Oh,

1203
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: I love a cruton. Crutons are back in a big way,

1204
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: and I'm so surprised. Um, but I'm grateful for it, Tammy,

1205
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: whenever you are ready, I'd say, go for it all right. Um,

1206
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: I have no hesitation about the thing that I'm ready

1207
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: to shout out. I have so much love for it.

1208
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: It's truly helped me out in my life in the

1209
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: past few months more than anything else. And I'm going

1210
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: to say that it's alka Seltzer. And I know that

1211
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: like a lot of the young guns. I mean, okay,

1212
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: I'm thirty one and about to turn thirty two next

1213
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: month March fourteenth, if you want to send a little

1214
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: B day message, But you know, um, and and I

1215
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: never like it never fails to upset me the way

1216
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: that like my body just like does not let me

1217
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: do what I used to do. And I hate to

1218
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 1: sound like an old person because like thirty one thirty

1219
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: two is not old, but like actually, like I used

1220
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 1: to run on a crazy amount of uh strong alcohol

1221
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: and no compunction and I can't do that anymore, but

1222
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: sometimes I still act up and even when I don't.

1223
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: I've been learning about antacids as a class, and I

1224
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: have been working my way through them. I haven't like

1225
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: looked into the more serious ones, you know, your pilist,

1226
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: sex or whatever. I don't think I really have heartburn.

1227
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: As a diner at large, Um, I do a lot

1228
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: of eating, and I eat for work, and I'm not

1229
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: necessarily eating on a schedule that I want to. And

1230
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. I will wake up at two, three,

1231
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: four in the morning after having, for example, the night

1232
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: that I went to Astoria and I went to a

1233
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: story of seafood and I ate plate on plate of fish,

1234
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: French fries, etcetera. And then I smoked hookah, and then

1235
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: I took a car home and then I woke up,

1236
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: and it's like, of course I have to barth. Of course,

1237
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: like I had fish and hookah, Like it's not okay,

1238
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 1: it's not it's not okay. But then like you feel

1239
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: terrible and you either don't barf or you do. But

1240
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: Alca Seltzer makes a decision for you. Or when I'm

1241
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: not feeling ready to party, you know, because lunch was

1242
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: like too intense. I do a little Alca seltzer and

1243
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: it just like it writes me. And I think that

1244
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: younger people don't really know about the older people medications,

1245
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: about the older people's solutions. Hums um. I mean pepto

1246
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: has always kind of been in my arsenal um, but

1247
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: that's more of like an emergency thing. Like pepto is

1248
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: like for when you're sick and throwing up, but like

1249
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:16,839
Speaker 1: for the person who eats too much professionally Alka seltzer

1250
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: buy some, and and also for the hangovers in the

1251
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: morning because it's a combination of baking soda, aspirad and

1252
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: like citric acid, so it like does the stomach, it

1253
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 1: does the pain, everything everything, And like young people don't know.

1254
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I

1255
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: didn't know. I'm still, in fact, getting used to just

1256
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: the concept of self medicating. I almost I'm so afraid

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Speaker 1: of putting things in my body, but I have to

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Speaker 1: get over that and constantly ing substances. I also and

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Speaker 1: that was a beautiful shout out, Thank you, Jammy. I've

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Speaker 1: also been getting into I recently. I had a stomach

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Speaker 1: ache after drinking one night and I had an Alka

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Speaker 1: seltzer in it fixed me and I was like, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: so that's what that's for. It was incredible. You heard

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Speaker 1: it here first, folks. There you go, there you go. Well, Jammy,

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Speaker 1: this has been an absolute delight, really really an incredible episode.

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Speaker 1: I need to re listen and take notes. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it sounds like you're going to be the one editing

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Speaker 1: this episode, then definitely, I'm gonna There are a few

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Speaker 1: things I need to take out on my end, but

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Speaker 1: I had a great time. Well, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for doing it, and see you on the flip side.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye.