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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and

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Speaker 1: there's Chuck and everybody else's present in spirit, and this

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Speaker 1: is stuff you should know, short stuff. Where the boys are?

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Speaker 1: Is that the song? I think?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: Huh? I always think of that Book of Love song.

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Speaker 1: I want to be THEO.

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Speaker 3: What wait you say yours? I want to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I want to be where the boys are? But

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Speaker 1: I'm not loud. You've not heard that song.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know lou Reid sang a song like that.

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Speaker 1: Do I sound like lou Reid? I'll talk about you.

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Speaker 3: Kind of speak singing, which is lou Reid's deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do speak sing I can't put my all

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Speaker 1: into it.

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Speaker 3: Like, hey, man, like a lot of people have made

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Speaker 3: great careers out of speak singing.

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Speaker 1: No shame, that's right, all right. I might tick you

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Speaker 3: I mean that's the gateway to being a white male rapper.

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Speaker 1: So just be careful, okay, I will be careful. If

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Speaker 1: you see me with like three lines cut into my side,

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Speaker 1: the side of my head, maybe take me out for

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Speaker 1: some drinks and give me some the talking to.

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Speaker 3: I've done that accidentally.

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Speaker 1: Oh I have too, Well, you me did it accidentally

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Speaker 1: to me, But I'm talking intentional.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, so we're talking spring break. That's why you're saying,

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Speaker 1: can you sing it again? Please? Where the boys are lovely?

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Speaker 1: That is actually they think where spring break. The American

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Speaker 1: institution of going to warm places in the spring, usually

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Speaker 1: from northern universities and getting plastered for a week, came

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Speaker 1: from a book called what's it called Chuck?

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Speaker 3: Where the Boys are not bad?

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Speaker 1: But okay, we'll speak singing. Uh, you gotta say where

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Speaker 1: the boys.

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Speaker 3: Are Okay, I just want to be in your group.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we could do that. We could do speak

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Speaker 1: singing barbershop duo, not even a quartet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a such a great bad idea.

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Speaker 1: Oh we can also add the slide whistle you got

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean that's our only instrument as far

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so where the boys are?

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Speaker 3: All right? So you mentioned where the boys are a

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Speaker 3: bunch and that that was sort of the big launching

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Speaker 3: guess people since the nineteenth century. Apparently, American college students

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Speaker 3: even way back in the eighteen hundreds would take little

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Speaker 3: That's right. And then people started drinking a lot more,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the Sea Breeze Hotel. It sounds like my

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Speaker 1: So yeah, these college athletes, these swimming, these swim teams

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like I like to drink, I like to to flirt.

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Speaker 3: That's right. So maybe that's a great place to take

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Speaker 3: a break. And we'll be right back with where.

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Speaker 1: The boys are. Where the boys are.

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Speaker 2: Well, now we're on the road, driving in your truck.

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Speaker 2: Want to learn a thing or two from Josh cam Chuck.

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Speaker 2: It's stuff you should know, all right, shot.

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Speaker 1: he said, hey, kids, I want to hang with you.

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Speaker 1: Let's go down to spring Break. I'm going to follow

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Speaker 1: And apparently it was debaucherous enough and just crazy enough

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Speaker 3: That's right, he changed the name to Where the Boys Are.

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Speaker 1: Man, in Fort Lauderdale, I mean, it's a city in Florida,

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Speaker 3: For sure, a bad impact at times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's the thing. If you trace the history

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Speaker 1: Spring Break is for college kids. When the older dudes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, although high school kids, I went in too Panama

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Speaker 1: I was not a good kid at the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was there. I was at those parties,

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Speaker 3: but uh, you know, I was drinking my apple juice.

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Speaker 3: I was very cringey to look back upon that, but.

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Speaker 1: I think it's sweet and really charming.

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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I commit that. Now. I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: I know, how do you feel? Well?

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm fifty three.

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Speaker 1: You should have said spring break.

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Speaker 3: So spring break is going bad in Florida. In Fort Lauderdale,

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Speaker 3: Good Morning American says you need to start going to

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Speaker 1: Yes. The first year in nineteen eighty six they had

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Speaker 1: But in that year they had performances by the Beastie

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean who else would you get? What else

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Speaker 1: And I bet we can guess what song Starship performed

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Speaker 1: stare up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and we built the city.

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Speaker 1: Those are the two that we built the city though,

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Speaker 1: That's the second spring break episode the Simpsons did. The

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Speaker 3: That's fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So go watch those two, I think is the

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Speaker 3: That's a takeaway. So spring break's going big in Florida, MTV.

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Speaker 3: The Wildest Party. Never told that Atlanta's own germane to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's still a band, it's only in March, which

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Speaker 3: Habitat for Humanity and they're a collegiate challenge, or you know,

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Speaker 3: go work for HIV advocacy. So plenty of other options

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Speaker 3: besides the traditional spring break for sure.

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Speaker 1: For sure. But yes, no matter what you're doing, whether

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Speaker 1: staggering around Fort Lauderdale every ten twelve minutes, you have

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