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Speaker 3: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is balling, breaking on, break

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 3: do your are my colleagues? Well? The getting and going is good,

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Speaker 3: and that means before they're getting and going on vacation.

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Speaker 3: So I have Danny Surrek and Darren Urban here. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to get their thoughts. I'm gonna get their analysis

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get their expertise. Hopefully I get full

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Speaker 3: effort here on this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought to

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Speaker 3: you by Pacific Office Automation. Before they are in vacation mode?

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Speaker 3: What does that look like for you? By the way, Danny,

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Speaker 3: vacation mode? How do you define that?

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Speaker 4: Not coming into work, not doing work from home? I

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Speaker 4: like a combination of being active, doing things outside or

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Speaker 4: you know, adventuring while also just relaxing by the pool, beach, wherever,

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Speaker 4: wherever I am. I try and find a good middle ground.

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Speaker 4: My vacation for the next couple weeks looks like a

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Speaker 4: lot more adventuring than the relaxing part of things. But

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Speaker 4: I've been relaxing by the pool pretty much all off season,

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Speaker 4: so I'm due for some adventure time.

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Speaker 3: I used to define vacation as the six s'es when

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Speaker 3: like like this surf, soun sand, seafood, SuDS, sour.

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Speaker 2: Dough, okay, San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: Used to go to San Francisco a lot.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 4: That's the seventh one, SuDS. It's not like taking baths beer.

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Speaker 4: Oh I thought of like SuDS like a bubble bath.

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Speaker 2: That's beer.

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Speaker 3: She's come on, were you sandbagging there, Danny.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, no, I don't know offense. I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 4: None of my friends we don't call beer SuDS.

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Speaker 2: That's an old, old man term there, Paul, Okay, that's

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Speaker 2: what she just said without saying it.

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Speaker 3: Well, once again, there are two kinds of people right

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Speaker 3: now around the Cardinals. You're either older than Nick Rowlis

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Speaker 4: I think I'm the same age.

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Speaker 2: I think you are the same age.

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Speaker 4: If I'm older or younger, I.

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Speaker 2: Think you're a few months younger. I think he was

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Speaker 4: That's cool.

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Speaker 3: Is Antonio Hamilton the only member of the defense who's

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Speaker 3: older than Nick Rowleis that?

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Speaker 2: I'd have to look. I don't know. That's a good question.

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Speaker 3: I mean, where's Craig Grigle. Where's Craig Grael when we

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Speaker 3: need him around here?

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Speaker 2: Where's so I actually can help you with that?

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Speaker 3: That's some That's a viable question, one of several we're

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Speaker 3: Cardinals now that they have broken for the summer, pending

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Speaker 3: the start of training camp, which begins Danny the twenty

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Speaker 3: seventh of July.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the first open practice, which it's free, but you're

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Speaker 2: By the way, real quick on your your question, Hamilton

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Speaker 3: About that, hey, Tonio Hamilin said, I mean just the

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Speaker 3: It was a true reality check for Antonio Hamilton. So

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Speaker 3: all right, once again Cardinals camp. That is the next stop.

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Speaker 3: If you want to go, it's still free parking in emission.

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Speaker 3: and it's real easy to execute that. And then the

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Speaker 3: first padded practice will be July thirty. First, to me,

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Speaker 3: that's a state holiday. Honestly, just walk in and tell

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Speaker 4: And I need to have the day off.

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Speaker 3: You're already on assignment, Danny, Okay, you know, so you know,

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Speaker 3: first day of padded practice, right until you get full pads,

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Speaker 3: full contact, full speed football. How do you really know

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Speaker 3: just because it hasn't been full contact football, I want

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Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna say this, I'm hoping we can we

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Speaker 2: to be Dennis Daily, the offensive lineman. Okay, he's gotten

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Speaker 2: don't know how this is going to pay out. But

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Speaker 3: It's one of about seven or eight guys I only

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Speaker 3: Was excellent in camp towards the end of camp. He

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Speaker 3: He's guard gantuan. He plays with an edge. He has

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Speaker 3: at it. Marquise Hayes, who was good for about a

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Speaker 3: he'll find himself in a fight for some playing time

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Speaker 3: on an offensive line. That I think one of my

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Speaker 3: It really is. I think, just just my own speculation

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Speaker 3: right off the top, I'm buying Danny a little bit

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Speaker 3: J Jumfries a left tackle, left guard to be determined, yelled

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Speaker 4: Season, Danny, I'm also going to go with an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 4: My take is a little different because I went with

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Speaker 4: So I do think that John Gaines is going to

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Speaker 3: All right, Darren, what do you think? Top three under

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Speaker 2: All right, so I'm going to go my number two

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Speaker 2: right now is going to be Jonathan Ledbetter. Oh so,

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Speaker 2: these defensive linemen, we're not sure who's all going to

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Speaker 3: It's the land of opportunity in the D line.

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Speaker 2: Run and I you know, Jonathan Ledbetter been banged up

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Speaker 2: this offseason, but he's a guy that I think he

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Speaker 2: they made sure he was still around. He's one of

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Speaker 2: But this is That's where I'm going Jonathan lied Better.

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Speaker 3: If I was smart and nobody has accused me of

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Speaker 3: I mean, good call? Was he build? Correct me if

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Speaker 3: why you know, process elimination. Somebody's got to play. Somebody's

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Speaker 4: And it's also there's no allegiance. I mean, we could

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Speaker 2: No? I mean, Garrett Williams is a guy who is

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'd almost throw Antonio Hamilton and under the radar

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Speaker 2: Okay. So we just mentioned his name a couple of times,

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Speaker 3: I think I'd be doing a disservice to the poly

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Speaker 4: I know who this is, number.

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Speaker 3: Thirty one on a tease I see you five nine,

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Speaker 4: You love saying his name. I didn't pick him because

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Speaker 2: what does that really mean? I do think, like these

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Speaker 3: this staff and Corey Clement, Keanta Ingram Tyson Williams if

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Speaker 3: They're going to be under center more. He said, the

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Speaker 4: I was thinking of going with Kanta Ingram for mine,

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Speaker 4: I just there's I feel like maybe he's gone under

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Speaker 2: It feels like you should be having him under your

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Speaker 4: I was saying the reason I put under the radar

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Speaker 2: You are allowed to have your opinion, Danny, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Think you're making me feel kind of bad about it, though.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I like to forget Darren. Forget the haters

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Speaker 3: and where do you start, Darren.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna take the low hanging fruit.

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Speaker 2: I'm not taking the low hanging fruit. I'm leaving the

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Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown.

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Speaker 4: Oh, he was online, but that's fine.

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Speaker 2: with no DeAndre Hopkins, with injury questions about Ron Dayale Moore,

434
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Speaker 2: with rookie Michael Wilson. I mean, obviously Greg Dorch is

435
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 2: in there too, Zach Pascal. But I Hollywood Brown going

436
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: into his contract year. He considers himself a number one receiver.

437
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if people put him there, but I

438
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 2: think he's going to be crucial in terms of this

439
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 2: passing game and what they're able to accomplish in a

440
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Speaker 2: lot of ways. And I think he absolutely has to

441
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Speaker 2: perform at a high level. I'm not I think he

442
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: can do it. I thought he was playingretty well before

443
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: he got hurt last year, and that that's one of

444
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Speaker 2: the first names that comes to my mind.

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Speaker 3: He was talking recently about how much he likes the

446
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Speaker 3: way he's being used. They're gonna use him in a

447
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: variety of ways and try and keep the defense guessing,

448
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: and so it won't be as predictable as to where

449
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 3: he's gonna line up, and so that'll be intriguing. I

450
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Speaker 3: mean obviously, I mean, you guys, tell me the way

451
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Speaker 3: Kansas City used to use Tyreek Hill, couldn't you see

452
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 3: the Cardinals using Hollywood Brown in a similar way.

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Speaker 2: I could see that. I mean, obviously, I don't think

454
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Speaker 2: Hollywood's fast, He's not Tyreek Hill fast, but I absolutely

455
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Speaker 2: could see that. Now, part of the reason Tyreek Hill

456
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Speaker 2: was so good is because you had some other options

457
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Speaker 2: there the true like Travis Kelcey underneath, and people had

458
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Speaker 2: to worry about that. But yeah, I could see that.

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Speaker 3: All right, players that need to perform. Danny, Oh, you're

460
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Speaker 3: gonna let me go before you, Paul or do you

461
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Speaker 3: want me to go? It's your call. I'm gonna go.

462
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: Marco Wilson. When the Cardinals had Byron Murphy maybe this

463
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 3: time a year ago, I think our discussion was Okay,

464
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Speaker 3: Byron Tury won Marco Wilson too, But is Byron Murphy

465
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Speaker 3: really a one? Is Byron Murphy really more cornerback two?

466
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 3: And Marco Wilson is cornerback three. Now into this current

467
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 3: roster and configuration in the corner room, Marco Wilson by

468
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Speaker 3: default is cornerback one. You know, is he worthy of

469
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Speaker 3: that designation? Can he truly check the other team's top

470
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 3: receiver week in and week out? Or is Nick Rolis

471
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Speaker 3: going to need to go a lot of zone coverage?

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Speaker 3: You know? Can they assign Marco Wilson to travel with

473
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 3: a Deebo Samuel to travel with a Cooper Cup you know,

474
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: and be that guy? And if he's not, you could

475
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 3: have a really pedestrian cornerback room. And if you're not

476
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 3: getting to the quarterback man, you could the prospect give

477
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: him up a lot of passing yards of Marco Wilson.

478
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Speaker 3: Isn't that guy this year? Let's just put it this way.

479
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Speaker 3: It's on the radar.

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Speaker 2: That's he was a potential on my list and that

481
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: only makes sense. And again, you know, there's opportunity on

482
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball at a lot of different positions.

483
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Speaker 2: But there are certain guys that even if you're not

484
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: sitting there saying these guys are Pro Bowl necessarily candidates,

485
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: they they He's a great example, like because he's got

486
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Speaker 2: to play for both his sake and the team's sake.

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Speaker 4: So I'm going to take the low hanging fruit. Okay,

488
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 4: Xavan Collins as your outside linebacker. He's coming in and

489
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Speaker 4: he doesn't have a ton of experience there. The thirty

490
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Speaker 4: percent snaps he played last year weren't passing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were run down.

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Speaker 4: So it's going to be different for him.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: We've heard from his defensive coordinator, from Dennis Gardak, that

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Speaker 4: Collins has the size to be a monster. He has

496
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Speaker 4: the IQ too, because he was playing inside the last

497
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Speaker 4: few years. He has that IQ of understanding a lot

498
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Speaker 4: of what's going on around him, the ability to shift

499
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Speaker 4: his eye is moving from inside to outside. Zamon Collins

500
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 4: is coming in and he has to be your most

501
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 4: productive outside linebacker. And he's really just now focusing on

502
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 4: the position for the first time, which is kind of scary.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you could look at players who need to

504
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Speaker 4: have a breakout year of a Cam Thomas or my

505
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 4: j Sanders going into year two. I'm just not sure

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Speaker 4: how realistic that is. I do think it's more realistic that,

507
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Speaker 4: even if it's not just looking at sac numbers, that

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Speaker 4: Xavion Collins could be more productive and more disruptive than

509
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Speaker 4: those two. But you're relying heavily on Zavin to kind

510
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Speaker 4: of carry the load in this position room that he's

511
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Speaker 4: a newcomer two.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I think it's kind of crazy that we

513
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Speaker 2: were jumping right to Zaven when they do have Sanders,

514
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Speaker 2: and they do have Camp Thomas, and they even have

515
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: drafted a guy b J o'jerlari who is more comfortable

516
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Speaker 2: in that position at this point in his career.

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Speaker 4: Probably, But the only thing is we haven't seen.

518
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Speaker 2: On the field. I do think they need this out

519
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: of Zaven Collins and I and I. You know, again,

520
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: when you're a former first round pick, people want to

521
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: see you perform well.

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Speaker 3: He was taking four spots after Michael Parsons. I know

523
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 3: yours truly in this last year wondered aloud whether Isaiah

524
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Speaker 3: Simmons could be the next Michael Parsons. What I really

525
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Speaker 3: meant to say is could Xavin Collins be the next

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Speaker 3: MICHAEH Parsons the pass rushing linebacker. I just got the

527
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Speaker 3: wrong first round pick in there.

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Speaker 2: Close close.

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Speaker 3: But as we mentioned previously on Cardinals Underground, the week

530
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Speaker 3: of Mini Camp, you had Dennis Gardek tell the media

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Speaker 3: quote he'll be a dominant outside backer, and then Josh

532
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Speaker 3: Woods the next day said he's going to be an

533
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Speaker 3: amazing player in this league. I mean, those are eye

534
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Speaker 3: opening comments out of nowhere for a guy making a

535
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: position change, for a couple of his teammates, guys who

536
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 3: know ball and have been around him on a daily basis,

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Speaker 3: to double down like that on what sort of season.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if there is a best case scenario, we're

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Speaker 3: doing a powerful of best case scenarios Xavi and Collins

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00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 3: morphing into a legit edge rusher and being a dude

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Speaker 3: on the outside that that'd be. That'd be one B

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00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: behind one A Kyler Regaines's Pro Bowl form.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I would that would be unbelievable. But again,

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00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair at this point to assume

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00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: or that will happen either. So that's that's a wait

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Speaker 2: and see.

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Speaker 3: Where are we in this rotation?

548
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: This is where?

549
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: Okay, are we only in number two?

550
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: I guess we are only number two players a car

551
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: This is this is a little bit low hanging fruit.

552
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: But I we went through a rotation. I'm gonna go

553
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: with James Connor because of what we already talked about,

554
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: which was the fact that we don't know who else

555
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: they have in the running back room. And like you

556
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: said before, Paul, here's a guy who it feels like

557
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: all the eggs are in that basket. They want to

558
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: they want to run the ball. James Connor is a

559
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: war course running back. All these things now, if hopefully

560
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: he can stay healthy, I agree. I love his attitude

561
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: through this whole thing. It'd be really easy for somebody

562
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 2: with the experience that he has to be disappointed in

563
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: where the team had to go and having to make

564
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: a coaching change. Every time I've talked to him, he's

565
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: talked about how excited he is about this new coaching

566
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: staff and the vibe that's around here, whether it's in

567
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: a actual press conference setting or we just happen to

568
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: pass each other. So I love where his mind is,

569
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: and I do think he's in a place to have

570
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: a big season if he stays healthy and they need

571
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Speaker 2: him to do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, think about it. The GM money Austin fort Is

573
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: recent years in Tennessee. Who's that Tennessee running back?

574
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: Oh?

575
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Derrick Henry and then Drew Petsen in Cleveland. What's

576
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: the all pro?

577
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 4: Oh?

578
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb. So I just think that James Connor could

579
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Speaker 3: be that dude that some of the decision makers are

580
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: used to having that sort of workhorse running back with size.

581
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Speaker 3: And don't forget James Connor. You know you're in the

582
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Speaker 3: NFL win you're starting running back as a former defensive

583
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Speaker 3: lineman at pit. So that's that's the sort of size

584
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: and strength that James counter brings. That's you know, Danny,

585
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: when you're down on the sidel and you're like, Okay,

586
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: that dude's a running back. Welcome to the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no kidding, there's a lot of size. We were

588
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: watching practice last week and ended up being behind the

589
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 4: offensive lineman. I couldn't see anything, and I'm thinking, I

590
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 4: think some of them had gross words because I didn't

591
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: remember them being so. I didn't remember there being so

592
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: many six ' five six seven offensive lineman. But yeah,

593
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,239
Speaker 4: the team is a whole James Connorn and and we

594
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 4: know that this team's going to run the ball more.

595
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Speaker 4: That's the only thing we've had confirmed to the media

596
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: with this new offensive scheme.

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Speaker 3: So I like to walk up behind the old lineman, go,

598
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: where's the HGH around here? Again? Where is it?

599
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: Whoa whoa, it's a joke. Whoa.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, Paul, who's your next player?

601
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Speaker 3: Okay, speaking of offensive lineman Magnus verf Roholt Dage, Paul,

602
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: I just liked the nickname. I figured I'd better get

603
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: to him quickly before he snagged.

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Speaker 4: You know, come on, anybody, Will, that was my next player,

605
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 4: So good job.

606
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Speaker 3: Anybody who has Atlas Stones in his weight room at

607
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Speaker 3: home in his garage. Right, and by the way, he's

608
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: an Arizona residence. So he's out there, he's breaking a

609
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: sweat in the hot garage, he's lifting that Atless stones.

610
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: He's getting props from Will Hernandez for being an old

611
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: school with the you know, paying attention to strength and

612
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: you know, moving guys around. But look, in terms of

613
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: the position itself, I don't know about the two of you,

614
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: but I know I gained a new found appreciation for

615
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: what happens when you have a legitimate center. That one

616
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: good year the Cardinals got out of Rodney Hudson.

617
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Speaker 2: That was glorious.

618
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Speaker 3: I mean it really was. That was And so the

619
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: position itself is so valuable. Now with Colt McCoy, could

620
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Speaker 3: you argue, okay, cold in his fourteenth season, he can

621
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Speaker 3: make a lot of those calls up front and get

622
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Speaker 3: in and out of stuff and recognize the mic and

623
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Speaker 3: you know what's coming and what they're dialing up, especially

624
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Speaker 3: if he's under center. I get it, but you hope

625
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: be able to fro hold if he indeed is the

626
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: guy gets enough reps and really gets a solid enough

627
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: knowledge of this offense, and by the time Kyler comes back,

628
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Speaker 3: he can be that asset for Kyler Murray, He's gonna

629
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: have a lot to juggle. It's gonna be you know,

630
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a deal with a brand new offense

631
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: and really a brand new philosophy, especially if he's under

632
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: center a lot more than he's used to, because nobody

633
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: was in the gun more last year than Kyler Murray.

634
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Speaker 4: Not only with Kyler Murray but for however many weeks

635
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: we're not expecting Murray to be healthy and ready to go.

636
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: You need a strong center for your backup QB, whether

637
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: that's Colt McCoy, which is who we think it'll likely

638
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 4: be at this point, right and having that strong center

639
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 4: who's able to recognize the defense and kind of be

640
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 4: that anchor. It's just as important when you don't have

641
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: your franchise quarterback out there. Okay, I'm going with more

642
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 4: low hanging fruit, So don't come for me on this one.

643
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: Never do that, Boodha Baker. And that's not in the

644
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: sense of the other players where we're talking about you

645
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: kind of need to have a breakout year or you

646
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: need to like a Marco Wilson, you really need to

647
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: step up that That's not why I'm saying boot his name.

648
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: I'm saying for every other thing, the heart and soul

649
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: of this defense of this team, and when you're prepping

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Speaker 4: for a year that we have talked about the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: having or last year it was you had high expectations

652
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Speaker 4: and a different roster compilation, right and then having those

653
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Speaker 4: losses was really frustrating and maybe understanding and I'm not

654
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Speaker 4: sure the players have this mindset, maybe understanding that with

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Speaker 4: the way the roster is right now and what you're

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Speaker 4: trying to do long term of if you have right

657
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Speaker 4: a couple of losses, it's it's different. And my point

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Speaker 4: that I'm rambling on about is you need someone like

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Speaker 4: a Buddha Baker with that leadership and with the mindset

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Speaker 4: that he has to continue to push people and hold

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Speaker 4: each other accountable and remember what it is you're playing

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Speaker 4: and fighting for, and that I don't think there are

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Speaker 4: a lot of players in this league who genuinely and

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Speaker 4: authentically have that leader WHI and that passion and the

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Speaker 4: respect that Buddha Baker has in this locker room. I

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Speaker 4: think also with what's going on with him where he's

667
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Speaker 4: had requested a trade and I think he clearly wants

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Speaker 4: more money, I don't foresee him not playing. That he

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Speaker 4: is two years left on his contract, isn't not that leverage.

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Speaker 4: But I think the fact that he hadn't been around

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Speaker 4: throughout off season workouts, he came for a mandatory manicamp,

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Speaker 4: didn't practice, I think when you see someone who's going

673
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Speaker 4: through things on the business side but that didn't then

674
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Speaker 4: come out and play the way that he does, I

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Speaker 4: think that would say a lot too about putting the

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Speaker 4: team first. And that's what we expect from Buddha Baker,

677
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Speaker 4: and that's what this new coaching staff expects from their players.

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Speaker 4: So that's why I'm saying you need to have Buddha

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Speaker 4: Baker have the type of year he always has.

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Speaker 3: It is sort of that dichotomy, is it not that conundrum?

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker, because I think we'd all say that the

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Speaker 3: amount of respect everyone has for Buddha's game and his

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Speaker 3: will to win, how many garbage time tackles as he

684
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Speaker 3: made touchdown saving tackles. I always think of the playoff

685
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Speaker 3: loss in LA and he goes off the field on

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Speaker 3: a stretcher at the end of that game because he's

687
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Speaker 3: still balling out one hundred percent yet for everything he

688
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: does for the team and sacrifices himself, and as much

689
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Speaker 3: as he's part of the solution and not part of

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Speaker 3: the problem. If you're establishing a culture that is predicated

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Speaker 3: and founded upon team first, player second, he's definitely putting

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Speaker 3: his own wants and needs first right now in seeking

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Speaker 3: that new contract, which could just be the business of

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Speaker 3: the NFL, which guess what that is the reality. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think we're all curious to see how they resolve

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Speaker 3: this situation. A. You don't want to set up precedent,

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Speaker 3: but b how many players are like Budda Baker, and

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Speaker 3: especially on this roster. In fact, Pete Prisco just had

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Speaker 3: his one hundred top players in the NFL and there

700
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Speaker 3: wasn't a single Arizona Cardinal on that list. Now, I

701
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Speaker 3: thought that was ridiculous when Patrick Peterson was ninety second

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Speaker 3: and Buddh Baker was left off the list. That's derelict

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Speaker 3: in your duty of formula in that list. But that's

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Speaker 3: sort of where the Cardinals are in the national attention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kind of where it is, which

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Speaker 2: actually is not a horrible segue to my third person.

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Speaker 3: Here here we go.

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Speaker 2: Kind of for the reasons. But my third person who

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Speaker 2: needs to perform Paris Johnson Junior. Okay, he's a rookie.

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Speaker 2: I mean you could give him the Okay, he's a rookie.

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Speaker 2: We got to get through this. They don't have to

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Speaker 2: have him perform, especially with Kelvin Beachum on the roster

713
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Speaker 2: of Josh Jones. But my argument would be you traded

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Speaker 2: back up to six to get this guy. You're in

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Speaker 2: a position right now, as we've talked about before, where

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Speaker 2: you could have rookies playing on this team. You spent

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Speaker 2: a high pick. I mean, the good tackles usually making

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Speaker 2: a little bit of an impact when they're rookies, and

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Speaker 2: so I think for like those multi levels, I think

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Speaker 2: this team needs to have their first round pick come

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Speaker 2: in and play well right away.

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Speaker 3: I mean Tristan Wurf's was a home run from the

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Speaker 3: get go at right tackle for Tampa. So yes, it

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Speaker 3: can be done. It has been done recently. When I

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Speaker 3: looked at the memo, it said Cardinals need them to perform.

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Speaker 3: It didn't say single players. So my third entry is Jesus,

727
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Speaker 3: you know if you if you're not cheating, you're not trying.

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Speaker 3: So it just uh, look, my third entry underneath them

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Speaker 3: to perform is the entire twenty twenty draft class. Isaiah Simmons,

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Speaker 3: Josh Jones, Lucky Foe two, Rishard Lawrence. It's no you,

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Speaker 3: it's now or never. Either perform or you're walking or

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Speaker 3: maybe you're on the trade block sometime in August. Like

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Speaker 3: if you're Josh Jones.

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Speaker 4: For example, change the saying that's.

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Speaker 3: That's Danny, not me. Uh. And So I'm going the

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Speaker 3: entire twenty twenty draft class because by the time this

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Speaker 3: season ends, you want to have something, something from that

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Speaker 3: draft class that you can build upon going forward.

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Speaker 2: You don't want it to be Covid Hayes over your

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Speaker 2: draft class.

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Speaker 4: Fine, we'll give it to you, Paul, I will go

742
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Speaker 4: back to one player, thank you. And it's kind of

743
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 4: a similar situation to what you were talking about Paul

744
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Speaker 4: with Marco Wilson, and we've talked about him a little,

745
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Speaker 4: but I'm going to go with Trey McBride because we

746
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Speaker 4: don't know what zach Ertz's timetable to return looks like

747
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Speaker 4: yet from his ACL injury last November, and I'm not

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Speaker 4: so much. I'm not sure if it's so much of

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Speaker 4: where Trey McBride was his rookie year. Was it more

750
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 4: the scheme? Was it because of the situation the Cardinals

751
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 4: kept find themselves in last year that that McBride didn't

752
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: really shine, which is kind of what you would expect

753
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: as a rookie tight end. I was thinking about it

754
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Speaker 4: being similar to Marco Wilson, of right now, Trey McBride

755
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 4: is your number one tight end. Does he have the

756
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Speaker 4: skill set to be a number one tight end? Or

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Speaker 4: is that just because of injuries and kind of where

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00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 4: this roster has just kind of filled out learned from

759
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Speaker 4: and we talked about if you're going to have more eleven,

760
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Speaker 4: twelve thirteen personnel, you're gonna have to rely on somebody,

761
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Speaker 4: and even if zach Ertz does come back and he's healthy,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have to rely on Trey McBride more so

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Speaker 4: than you did last year, at least in a different way.

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Speaker 4: You're still going to have to rely on him, even

765
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Speaker 4: if you have zach Ertz out there. So I think

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Speaker 4: there's a lot riding on him in terms of the

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Speaker 4: jump you need to see going into year two and

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Speaker 4: being more impactful out on the field.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was the top tight end taken in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two draft, middle round two Mackie Award winner.

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Speaker 3: He's supposed to be that dual threat tight end, the

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Speaker 3: ever rare guy who can catch yards after catch, can block,

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Speaker 3: and he's stout enough of the line of scrimmage. You know,

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Speaker 3: zach Ertz said recently that he's not nearly as anxious

775
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Speaker 3: about trying to do well Trey McBride. He was just

776
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Speaker 3: so eager and intense to show himself last year that

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Speaker 3: maybe he did so to his own detriment. And by

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Speaker 3: the end of the season, yeah, he definitely got more acclimated.

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Speaker 3: He got the touchdown where he stumbled across the finish

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Speaker 3: line in Atlanta, got a hard time from the fellaws

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Speaker 3: on the sideline, but he's got that out of the way.

782
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Speaker 3: The first career touchdown. They were all signaling safe, you're

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Speaker 3: safe at home plate Trey, the way you entered the

784
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Speaker 3: end zone on that one. So no, but absolutely that

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Speaker 3: old tight end room, man, I mean between the tight

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Speaker 3: end room, the D line room, the cornerback room, and

787
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Speaker 3: then edge rusher. I mean this is such a radical

788
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Speaker 3: departure from last year's training camp, where it just was

789
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Speaker 3: everything's pretty much decided. Everybody stay healthy in facts, stay

790
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: healthy till December and then we'll turn it on. That

791
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Speaker 3: really was the attitude. This attitude going into camp couldn't

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Speaker 3: be more different. Do you guys agree?

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Speaker 4: You got to earn it. And what's interesting is the

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Speaker 4: question marks you open the podcast with. On offense feels

795
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Speaker 4: more like, okay, you have more options, you have depth, right,

796
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: like we need to figure out who who works well together,

797
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 4: who can be a starter. And then on defense the

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Speaker 4: question marks are well, it's pretty much open for anybody,

799
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Speaker 4: so you got to go out and show us why

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Speaker 4: you should be the starter.

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Speaker 3: I mean the top three position groups you have to

802
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: figure out would all be on defense. I think D line, corner, edge,

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Speaker 3: then tight end would be four.

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Speaker 4: I'd agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's good thing Nick rollis is only twenty

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Speaker 3: nine years of age.

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Speaker 2: When it's all over.

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Speaker 3: By the way that you're Jonathan Gannon wave was one

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Speaker 3: of the isn't a flight plan or maybe it was

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Speaker 3: Nick Rowlis who said it, that they actually require all

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Speaker 3: the assistant coaches to work out every morning.

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Speaker 2: That was in my fine Jonathan Gannon's story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I learned that the flight plan episode when we

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Speaker 4: were in the combine in Indianapolis. I'm not sure if

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Speaker 4: that actually made the final cut, but I do remember

816
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 4: that from the interview was that's important to Nick Rolis

817
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 4: is making sure that the coaching staff is healthy, not

818
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: just working out, but sleeping seven to eight hours. They

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Speaker 4: don't want people here, you know, on godly hours. They

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Speaker 4: wanted to be healthy and sleeping and spending time with

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Speaker 4: their family. That way they can when they are in

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Speaker 4: the building they are productive and their best selves.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, you know what, you guys need to

824
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Speaker 3: take that advice to spend time with your family, enjoy

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Speaker 3: the summer vacation. It's an eighteen week grind. Once the

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Speaker 3: regular sea course, the grind starts for you day one

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Speaker 3: and training camp. Actually when they report it's when it

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Speaker 3: really starts. So okay, that's good, and we'll be monitoring

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Speaker 3: asycardinals dot com for any updates in between leading up

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Speaker 3: to camp. Once again, Danny, what's the deal. It's a

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Speaker 3: free parking, free admission. You need digital tickets to enter.

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Speaker 4: By twenty seven, there's multiple open practices and you know,

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Speaker 4: the Red Right practice and all that good stuff again

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Speaker 4: going on at State Fund Stadium. So all those dates

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Speaker 4: everything on Asycardinals, on our Twitter account, on ecycardinals dot com,

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Speaker 4: Darren wrote a story, so check it out.

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