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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jaggs Drive Time with John O'sher Ocean, Brian

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Speaker 2: Jangs Drive Time. It starts right now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome into drive Time. I'm Kindannie Stevens.

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Speaker 4: Here are the Brian and John, because why not let's

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Speaker 4: do it? So OTA day number five, we're halfway through.

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Speaker 4: We're getting closer to training camp, getting a little bit

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Speaker 4: more exciting. Obviously, not a ton they do at OTA's,

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Speaker 4: but we did have some new faces there this week,

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Speaker 4: and you know, we get to talk little special teams today,

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Speaker 4: so some new stuff to go over, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's Here's the good part about it, right,

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Speaker 2: is that we're only out there once a week. I

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Speaker 2: mean it used to be John, we were out there

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Speaker 2: every day, and you're watching the same drills every and

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Speaker 2: you start micro managing it in your mind and hey, wait,

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Speaker 2: I saw this footwork that was I mean, it's just

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Speaker 2: you don't even use it when you get into training

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Speaker 2: camp at some point. But it is nice to go

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Speaker 2: out and see some with the new guys. You know,

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Speaker 2: see Calvin Ridley running around, see Cam Robinson back out

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Speaker 2: there yesterday we did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the micro is what you want

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Speaker 1: to avoid in this and you want to look at

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Speaker 1: the macro, and to me, the macro is that if

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Speaker 1: you think back on how Trevor Lawrence looked in the

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Speaker 1: offense this time last year, and how the offense looked

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Speaker 1: this time last year, in terms of smoothness, Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: head and shoulder. You'd expect that, but it's good to see.

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Speaker 1: OTAs for a good team should be more reassuring than

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Speaker 1: they are revealing. And I think this is reassuring.

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Speaker 2: We don't have Trevor really believe it or not in

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Speaker 2: the script very much today when I'm talking a lot

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Speaker 3: Trevor's Trevor, and he looks good all the time.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, the one thing I did

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Speaker 2: notice to go micro is just the way he was

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Speaker 2: running the drills right. He was telling everyone, hey, back

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Speaker 2: up right. I mean the little things that made it

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Speaker 2: feel like, Okay, this is his team. And I noticed

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Speaker 2: that Doug was just standing there with Mike McCoy and

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Speaker 2: they were watching, they were talking, and he was moving

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Speaker 2: around do some of the things that coaches normally would

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Speaker 2: do in an OTA. So maybe you saw that with

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Speaker 2: Peyton Manning in his early years when you were in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: But I don't recall a quarterback in Jacksonville ever managing

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Speaker 2: the whole practice like he did with the offense at times.

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Speaker 4: Yesterday exciting and they started to run themselves. You don't

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Speaker 4: have to direct everything.

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Speaker 2: It's his offense.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a great is Absolutely let's go

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Speaker 4: over some of the big things because we'll get right

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Speaker 4: into it here today. Our big thing, number one is

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Speaker 4: that one of the new faces in town, Brandon McManus.

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Speaker 3: They made a kicker change.

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Speaker 4: We I think talked about kickers last week, which is

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Speaker 4: kind of funny, but we were able to catch up

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Speaker 4: exactly what went into the decision when they signed McManus.

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Speaker 5: But getting the opportunity to add Brandon Brandon, you know,

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Speaker 5: he had reached out to me, so it was a

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Speaker 5: guy that wanted to play here. I think that just

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Speaker 5: kind of gives you the picture of where the culture's gone.

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Speaker 5: You know, we have players that are free agents after

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Speaker 5: getting released and say, hey, coach, I would love to

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Speaker 5: play here. The just a test about what coach Peterson's done,

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Speaker 5: what the overall team, what it's like to be here.

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Speaker 5: So it's a guy that wanted to be here, and

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Speaker 5: then it was an opportunity to get better as a group.

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Speaker 5: You know, I said, Riley did a really good job.

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Speaker 2: But this is a guy that gives.

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Speaker 5: Us a lot more flexibility, not only on kickoffs to

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Speaker 5: be able to pin them deep and do some different stuff,

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Speaker 5: but it gives us a longer, you know, kickoff line

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Speaker 4: We'll touch on what that exactly means to the team

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Speaker 4: coming up. Big thing number two the fair catch rule.

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Speaker 4: NFL always tweaking things. They're making that new fair catch rule.

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Speaker 4: If you do get a fair catch.

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Speaker 3: It now goes out to the twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Talk to Doug about whether he thought that would have

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Speaker 6: It could be a possibility if it's a you know,

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Speaker 3: Big thing Number three is the buy in.

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Speaker 4: There are a ton of rookies here, as we mentioned,

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Speaker 4: one of the biggest draft classes we've ever seen here

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Speaker 4: So anybody that wants to make this team is going

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Speaker 4: to have to do it on special teams, and for

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Speaker 4: Heath Farrell, a lot of that is just about the

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Speaker 5: I think the buy in is the biggest. So the

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Speaker 5: guys who come to my office voluntarily on their own,

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Speaker 5: the guys who stay after practice wanted your drill work on,

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Speaker 5: you know, by themselves and ask questions. I think that's

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Speaker 5: the biggest thing. How much is the buy in because

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Speaker 5: a lot of these players haven't played a ton of

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Speaker 5: special teams in college, So getting the opportunity to kind

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Speaker 5: of see what that looks like and then can it

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Speaker 3: On all special teams edition pretty much we're going to

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Speaker 3: do here today. I love. This doesn't come around often,

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Speaker 3: so let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's just done.

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Speaker 4: We get we'n always talk about the kicker and usual

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Speaker 4: when you're talk about the ki it's a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: But this is not a bad thing.

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Speaker 4: Necessarily, we got a more veteran presence, and I think

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Speaker 4: that's what Doug and Heath were talking about when we

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Speaker 4: talked to them yesterday, just being able to have that,

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Speaker 4: you know, extra versatility, whether it's distance or you know

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Speaker 4: what they have in that because Riley's leg wasn't as

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Speaker 4: strong as maybe McManus's is. But I know we kind

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Speaker 4: of talked on it last week, but we weren't really

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Speaker 4: sure because when they make these kicking decisions, it's literally

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Speaker 2: And I think John, you wrote this at some point

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Speaker 2: this week. The reality of it is is if Brandon

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Speaker 2: McManus hadn't become available to them, you'd still have Riley

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Speaker 2: Patterson and they'd still be looking for solutions though, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean we said that it was Riley's job until

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Speaker 2: it wasn't, meaning you know, he still had to go

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Speaker 2: earn it every day. And you know, people, I've seen

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Speaker 2: a lot in your column, John, and a lot on

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Speaker 2: social media about you know, well that last kick against

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Speaker 3: It wasn't all I mean, good kick's a good kick.

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Speaker 2: It's a good kick, right. The truth of it is

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Speaker 2: is they saw him on the practice field every day

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Speaker 2: last year and through this ota that was open. You

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Speaker 2: know they saw something they wanted to change. And McManus

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Speaker 2: is an upgrade by any standard, a more veteran kicker,

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Speaker 2: a guy who kicked a sixty four yard field goal

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Speaker 1: Teams change kickers because they believe they will trust the

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Speaker 1: new kicker more than the old kicker. I also thought

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Speaker 1: it was interesting when Dug and Heath was talking yesterday

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Speaker 1: about the distance. There was definitely a distance factor that

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Speaker 1: they didn't feel like they could have Riley try certain

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Speaker 1: I have had people ask me, well, he was a

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Speaker 1: been very good, even not in Denver. To me, this

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Speaker 1: is a no brainer. For this reason. There are certain

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Speaker 1: kickers in the league that you watch them and you

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Speaker 1: know their coaches trust them anywhere on the field. Inside

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Speaker 1: X Riley Patterson had not established himself at that here.

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Speaker 1: He had done a nice job. I think he's earned

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Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think they felt about him

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Speaker 1: make that move.

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Speaker 4: It's exciting to I think also have that presence to

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Speaker 4: see out it's gonna affect the offense because when you have,

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Speaker 4: maybe don't go for it and fourth down as much,

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Speaker 2: Right strategy that you were able to employ with a

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Speaker 2: And this is a guy we mentioned, you know, in

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Speaker 2: all fairness, when you're in the thin air up in Denver,

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Speaker 2: you've seen some historic kicks up there, certainly, but you

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Speaker 2: also get really crappy weather in Denver, you know, later

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Speaker 2: in the year as well, and this is a guy

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Speaker 2: he gives you a guy that if you're in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: in October and it's raining, or you're in Buffalo, you're

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Speaker 2: not going to be this year, but Buffalo in December

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Speaker 2: and it's snowing, that you've got some confidence in you know,

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Speaker 2: what I want to talk about is the kickoff thing

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Speaker 2: that's do right, because John, it's felt for years like

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Speaker 2: the league was on its way to getting rid of kickoffs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's the most dangerous play in terms of

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Speaker 2: head of steam, and they've tried all kinds of things, right,

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Speaker 2: They've tried moving up the where you kick off and

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Speaker 2: where the ball goes, you know, on a touchback, And

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of pushback from players and coaches on

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Speaker 2: this new rule. I don't know the numbers in front

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Speaker 2: of me. I get the sense that a lot of

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Speaker 2: what they've done John, moving the kickups off, moving the

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Speaker 1: I think we're definitely on some sort of slope toward

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Speaker 1: not having kickoffs at some point. I think this is

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Speaker 1: inevitable at some point that it is a palpable way

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Speaker 1: for the league to show people we care about player

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Speaker 1: safety without ruining the entire game. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: a way for them to sort of do something gradually

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Speaker 1: then eventually eliminate it. And then when people say, well,

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Speaker 1: you don't make the game safe, or say well we

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Speaker 1: eliminated kickoffs and you can still have the sport. It

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Speaker 1: the rule now is what it's going to eliminate is

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Speaker 1: not so much kicking it through the end zone or

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Speaker 1: kick it into the end zone. It's going to eliminate

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Speaker 1: that high kick where you try to directional kick it

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Speaker 1: sort of causing some injuries as well, in addition to

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Speaker 1: What I don't know, what I don't think teams have

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Speaker 1: feel for yet is how often players will actually use that.

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Speaker 4: we all remember those really exciting kickoffs where someone scores

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Speaker 2: So you know they've made progress, and you never want

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Speaker 2: It wasn't pretty. And so they got rid of the wedge.

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Speaker 2: We'll see whether this one works or not. It's not

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Speaker 1: I also wonder if at some point they won't you know,

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Speaker 2: But let's just put this way, they're not done. This

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Speaker 4: Progress, and we'll see there is I think it's technically

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Speaker 3: But stay with us.

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Speaker 4: Coming up, we're gonna hear from the players. We'll hear

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Speaker 3: Welcome back.

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Speaker 4: We are doing a Wednesday addition because we had open

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Speaker 4: OTAs yesterday for OTA Day number four.

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Speaker 3: It's OTA Day number.

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Speaker 4: Five today, so at the end of the day we

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Speaker 3: Yesterday we saw a couple of new faces.

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Speaker 4: Cam Robinson was actually here last week, I believe, but

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Speaker 2: Story with that. I can't recall there ever being.

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Speaker 2: How is this Do you ever recall it? Where the

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Speaker 2: Soda.

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Speaker 4: He was, absolutely, he was out there moving. One of

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Speaker 7: I reached out to to Heath to you know, please

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Speaker 2: They've got the worst facilities in football, and the ownership

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00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 2: is fighting with former employees in very high profile cases

440
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 2: across it.

441
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Speaker 1: No.

442
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 2: No, I mean this is a very stable, positive situation

443
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 2: for the first time in a long time. And I

444
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 2: would think that there are a lot of players at

445
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: different positions that we'll never hear about because the Jaguars

446
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,239
Speaker 2: couldn't play in free agency that way, they had their

447
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 2: agent call and say, hey, any interest in my guy? Right,

448
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 2: because Jacksonville is being identified as a place where guys

449
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:22,959
Speaker 2: want to go.

450
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 4: And as a kicker, it's got to be exciting to

451
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 4: see an offense like is being put together around Trevor

452
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 4: Lawrence because like, hey, I can kick some extra points

453
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 4: instead of trying to kick field goals constantly as he

454
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 4: did in Denver last season, which cannot have been fun.

455
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Speaker 4: We'll have to look up with the numbers where exactly,

456
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 4: because I'm sure he kicked a watch.

457
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Speaker 2: Just one more point on this, and I remember walking

458
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Speaker 2: off the practice field one day last fall, late November,

459
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Speaker 2: early December, and Brandon Sheriff was talking about how nice

460
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Speaker 2: it was to practice, you know, on a sunny, seventy

461
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Speaker 2: degree day, right getting ready for a game. I think

462
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: it was before Detroit, you know, and he just commented,

463
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: we didn't have days like this in Washington. No, this

464
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 2: is a really good place work.

465
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Speaker 3: Yes, except for training camp that might humble some people.

466
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the surface of the sun.

467
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Speaker 4: Well, actually, see if they can make it through that,

468
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 4: they'll be good. After that point, another face. Obviously everyone's

469
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 4: been looking at this off season now that we're back

470
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Speaker 4: in the stadium. Is Calvin Ridley and what he's been

471
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Speaker 4: able to do with Trevor Lawrence out there. They held

472
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Speaker 4: him out of some of the open with the open

473
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Speaker 4: practice they had last week, we saw him held out

474
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Speaker 4: of some of the drills and a lot of that,

475
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 4: Doug said was just about kind of easing him back

476
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Speaker 4: in because you know, he had the injury. He hasn't

477
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Speaker 4: played in a while, and Calvin said he felt like.

478
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: He pushes himself too hard.

479
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Speaker 4: Sometimes, so he did appreciate that those around him are

480
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Speaker 4: kind of keeping him on pace.

481
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Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, I was at home for a year.

482
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 8: I'm juiced, uff, man, I want to be out there.

483
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Speaker 8: But like I said, you know, I thank god I'm

484
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Speaker 8: around a good you know, a bunch of good people,

485
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 8: good program, and they know how to do this, because

486
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 8: I mean, you let me do it myself, I'll tire

487
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 8: myself out by the time the seasons here. So you know,

488
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Speaker 8: I got a lot of good people here, have been

489
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Speaker 8: working out with you know, a lot of good you know,

490
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 8: screen stuff, and man, I'm excited about where I'm at

491
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 8: right now.

492
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 4: Calvin's ready to run out of his shoes, so it's

493
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 4: good that they're kind of keeping that under. You know,

494
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 4: he still looks great. He doesn't look like he's being

495
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Speaker 4: held back. But I'm good that he's not doing too

496
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 4: much too fast.

497
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't let him practice anymore, right, just put him

498
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 1: in a bubble. Look, you can see what he is. Uh.

499
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: As soon as the people around him who know these

500
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Speaker 1: things believe that he is up to speed with Trevor

501
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: Lawrence and knows the offense.

502
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

503
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: And it is at that point where okay, X number

504
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: of training camp practices will get him right. I would

505
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Speaker 1: have him on the field as as little as possible,

506
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Speaker 1: because there's no doubt in my mind he is going to.

507
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,239
Speaker 2: Be very good. Agree with that, And I have to

508
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 2: add that I really like him. I mean, I just

509
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 2: every time he talks that the energy brings the vibe.

510
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: He's cool, he fits in here, he's I think he's

511
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: going to be a very good player. I always thought

512
00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: he was going to be a very good player on

513
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: the feet, but I think what he brings to the

514
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: locker room, that attitude, I think will be even more important.

515
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 2: I really like him, and I wouldn't practice him again either.

516
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: I want him on the field ready to go. He

517
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: knows what it takes to be ready to go, absolutely right,

518
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 2: even though he's anxious to get out there and do

519
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: more because it's been a long time. Doug Peterson's the

520
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: perfect coach for him because Doug knows that these officers

521
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: in practices are not the end all be all. It's

522
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 2: about what you get done in.

523
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 4: August, absolutely, and that's good to see as well. So

524
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 4: we'll just wrap him up, get him ready for the season.

525
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 3: We'll roll him ount.

526
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 4: At that point, I want to touch on the defensive

527
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 4: side of the ball. We were able to kind of

528
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 4: we touched on a little bit. Obviously, the past rush

529
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 4: is huge. We've mentioned that has always been an issue.

530
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 4: Devin Lloyd maybe underperformed last year. We said as much

531
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 4: when we spoke to him yesterday, and he said he's

532
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 4: really focused on making that second year jump and really

533
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: defining his role on this team on the defense.

534
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: Of course.

535
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Speaker 9: And I think it's just great going into the same

536
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 9: defense with the same group of guys, and I mean,

537
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 9: really it's nothing but progression already. But I think for

538
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 9: me personally, you know, I have a standard that just

539
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 9: wasn't set last year, and so you know, I'm really

540
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 9: excited that extra motivation to come out and you know,

541
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 9: approve that this year.

542
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: To myself.

543
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 4: It's always easy to be critical outsat looking and I'm

544
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 4: sure he's heard a lot of it, but he seems

545
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 4: to be self aware enough to be like, hey, I

546
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 4: didn't do enough for what I expect either.

547
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: So maybe I'm too old school on this deal. But

548
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: you know, there was a time, John where if you

549
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: got a good, solid performance from a rookie, you were

550
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: good about you. You know, that was a guy that

551
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: you were excited about. Now I read somewhere where someone

552
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: were all lists in journalism now right, Yeah, here's the

553
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 2: most exciting rookies and the most disappointing and he was

554
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: in the bust list. Are you kidding me? This is

555
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: a guy who was uber productive. He was the AP

556
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 2: College Football Player of the Year his senior year at

557
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: Utah and that's with all the studs at Georgia. He

558
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: had eight sacks and four interceptions and two force fumbles

559
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: and two touchdowns. The guy's a playmaker. Was he lost

560
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: last year?

561
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: Yeah?

562
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lots of guys struggle with the adjustment to the

563
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: NFL level. I'm telling if you think that this guy

564
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: doesn't think he has something to prove on himself, he does.

565
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: He absolutely does. But he is a tremendously talented football player.

566
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what he brings to it.

567
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: Here's why I think he's gonna be okay. When he's

568
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: around the ball, he attaches to the ball.

569
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: Remember the play in Indie Yeah last year where there

570
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: were there were a ball maybe he forced the fumble

571
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: and then he recovered it as well.

572
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: He's very instinctive makes plays when he's around it. If

573
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: there's anything that you can learn. It's mentally. I didn't

574
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: say it very well, but I would rather see a

575
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: guy who is lost as a rookie mentally than who

576
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: can't handle what's going on physically, because I don't know

577
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: if you can ever make it up if if you

578
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: can't do it physically. He was a little lost in

579
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: terms of recognition, in terms of things happen a little

580
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: bit too fast because he was seeing things that he

581
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: had never seen at Utah. Is now seen those things,

582
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: so standar reason he's going to get better against those things.

583
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: He's got to do it. And he's absolutely crucial because

584
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: his disruption and playmaking ability. He has the ability to

585
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: change games. They need him to do that because they

586
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: don't have enough guys on defense who do that well.

587
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: And keep in mind last year he had Mike Caldwell,

588
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: who was a first year coordinator putting in his system,

589
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: with a bunch of other young players on the field.

590
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: Andre Cisco was getting time as the starter in Trayvon

591
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: Walker was there with his hand on the ground, so

592
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: and you brought in a bunch of free agents. So

593
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: it was a total transition year and it's not an

594
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: easy jump to make anyway. But this guy is a

595
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: first rate disruptor. And I guarantee you that Mike Caldwell

596
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: and the defensive staff looked at the tape last year

597
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: and said, where do we need to move this guy

598
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 2: to put him in the best position to succeed. I'm

599
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: sure there's going to be a lot of that this year.

600
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 4: Obviously wasn't around last season, so I can't speak to

601
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 4: their mentality, but Trayvon as well we talked to. This

602
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 4: is the first offseason they've probably had ever in their

603
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 4: lives from football, because you know, you just play all

604
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: the way straight through in college. You're starting again very soon,

605
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 4: and they actually took a break from football, and I

606
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 4: think sometimes just that little bit of hey, I'm not

607
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 4: playing football, get my body right, but also mentally to

608
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 4: be like, Okay, I can go into this. I've done

609
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: a year. I'm a professional football player. It's a little

610
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 4: bit different than trying to go through the draft and

611
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 4: then just immediately thrown into camp. So I think that's

612
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: a lot of times why we see that second year jump,

613
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 4: and they seem to mentally be ready to go from

614
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: what I've seen so far.

615
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in good places, both of them. Will be better,

616
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 1: and neither of them did anything last year to make

617
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: you think they can't do it. As Brian said, we're

618
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: such You know, one thing I've never quite grasped is

619
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: how people can watch the league over and over and

620
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: over again, constantly see players who weren't all that great

621
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: as rookies be very good pros except for the running

622
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: back position and the cornerback position. It's very common, and

623
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: then still write guys off his busts. Yeah, it's one

624
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: of the dynamics that I guess people just don't see it.

625
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: But there's no reason in the world to think that

626
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: those two guys won't be huge impact players this year.

627
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: They've done nothing to make you think they won't be.

628
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: There are players who have gone on to Hall of

629
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: Fame careers, Yeah that if you looked at what they

630
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: did as rookies, you never you'd say, well, they're a

631
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: busted in today's parlance, right, Yeah, because it's all about

632
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: right here and right now. Drafted develop means draft be

633
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: patient and.

634
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: Developed well on the job training.

635
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you didn't learn with Trevor Lawrence, right

636
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: there were people that were questioning him after his rookie season,

637
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: and you saw the progress he made. Calmed down, take

638
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: a deep breath. These guys do need the opportunity to develop.

639
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: Who sad it'll come little moment he's yeah.

640
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 4: Actually, Devin Lloyd did tell me he picked up pilates,

641
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: so he's bringing in the flexibility aspect. Maybe everyone else

642
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 4: can do a little yoga, have a little meditation and

643
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 4: wait it out. I think they're going to be seeing

644
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 4: a very different defense this year. I'm hoping at least

645
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 4: it'll be a little bit different. Coming up, we're gonna

646
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 4: hear from John ozone mail bag. All his wisdom will

647
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 4: be shared with you. Stay tuned.

648
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: This is friendly, oh.

649
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: Suit, welcome back. We're doing the final drive time for

650
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: the month.

651
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: Of May, and what would it be without an Ozone

652
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 4: mail bag. We got a check in with John oser

653
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: and get his thoughts on absolutely everything, because I know

654
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: everyone writes you and asks you all these very detailed questions.

655
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: So this week a lot there's some detail, lots of

656
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 4: kickers this week, kicking questions. This week, we're gonna start

657
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Speaker 4: with question number one, Greg from Section one twenty two.

658
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Speaker 4: He's from Jacksonville, very specific as an older person. He says,

659
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Speaker 4: this whole evolving to eliminate the kicking game is beyond ridiculous.

660
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 4: It's football, exactly, How is it if a foot never

661
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: contacts the ball? Well, we're getting into a little soccer

662
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: versus football football argument.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the sentiment here is not wrong. As we discussed

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Speaker 1: and will continue to discuss the game as they are

665
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Speaker 1: changing it to make it safer and eliminating kickoffs, I

666
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Speaker 1: don't think will be as good and it certainly will

667
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Speaker 1: be different. Their their decision making here philosophically is we

668
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Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to save this game,

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Speaker 1: to make it safe. So it's not a want to

670
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Speaker 1: on these things. They don't you know, nobody in the

671
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Speaker 1: NFL sitting here, I want to eliminate kickoffs. It's trying

672
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Speaker 1: to figure out a way to make this game safe

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Speaker 1: for the players, some of whom don't even want these rules.

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Speaker 1: But as we've seen over the course of fifty years

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Speaker 1: of looking at this, the concussions, the seats, you know,

676
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Speaker 1: all this, sometimes you have to or the feeling is

677
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Speaker 1: you have to protect the players from themselves a little bit.

678
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Speaker 1: That's the responsibility of the stewards of the game, if

679
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Speaker 1: you will.

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Speaker 2: Can I go a little deeper, you know, we're talking

681
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Speaker 2: about safety, and we're thinking about NFL players because that's

682
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Speaker 2: what we do, but this goes down to high school

683
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Speaker 2: and Pop Warner level as well, because if and they've

684
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Speaker 2: seen the number of high school football players diminish in

685
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Speaker 2: recent years because of the nature of concussions and parents

686
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Speaker 2: parents not wanting their kids to get hurt, so they

687
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Speaker 2: move them to other sports, soccer and things like that.

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Speaker 2: So the reality of it is is that if you

689
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Speaker 2: want this game to continue to thrive and grow, you

690
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: need kids playing the game, which means the game needs

691
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Speaker 2: to be safe enough that their parents feel comfortable putting

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Speaker 2: them in the game. And there's all sorts of ways

693
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Speaker 2: they do that. I coached out in the Junior Development

694
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Speaker 2: League for years, and that's a heads up league and

695
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: it's designed to teach kids to take the helmet out

696
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Speaker 2: of the play. And the reality of it is that

697
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Speaker 2: you've got to find a way to keep the game growing.

698
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: And it doesn't grow necessarily at this level. It grows

699
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Speaker 2: at the grassroots level. So safety isn't just for NFL.

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Speaker 2: Safety is for the whole of football because what they

701
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Speaker 2: do at this level trickles down to what they do

702
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Speaker 2: in college, high school, and Pop Warner.

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Speaker 4: I think a good example we should look at as

704
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Speaker 4: well is like you have to change to keep your

705
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Speaker 4: league relevant. Baseball never changed for a very very long time,

706
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Speaker 4: and they lost a lot of you know, they don't

707
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Speaker 4: have a lot of youth involvement that goes to that level.

708
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 4: A lot of people play youth baseball but don't go

709
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Speaker 4: to the major league level from America, and there's a

710
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Speaker 4: lot less you know, just fans in general following baseball

711
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 4: that you know, used to. It's dying out a little bit.

712
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: So you and they're trying to change that now, but

713
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Speaker 4: I think you really have to get ahead of things.

714
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Speaker 4: And obviously, with all of the injuries that surround football,

715
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Speaker 4: that's a main focus for them at this point. So

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Speaker 4: it's different, but hopefully headed in the correct direction with them.

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Speaker 4: Question number two for you, John today, it's going to

718
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Speaker 4: be Mike from the Azores writing in far away. Why

719
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Speaker 4: are the coach and general manager having such a hard

720
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Speaker 4: time bringing in that much needed veteran pass pass rusher?

721
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, Well, I don't know that they are. I mean,

722
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Speaker 1: I don't know that they're having trouble with this. I

723
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Speaker 1: don't know that they're actively looking for it, And I

724
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Speaker 1: don't know that they feel like it's this much needed

725
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: spot as much as maybe fans and observers do. There

726
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Speaker 1: are guys out there, I'm sure every day Trent and

727
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: Doug talk about, you know, the guys who are out there.

728
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Speaker 1: How do the guys look? How do we feel? Again,

729
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: this question sort of implied that they're on the phone

730
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out who to get in. I don't

731
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Speaker 1: think they're having trouble with it. I think they're just

732
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Speaker 1: waiting until A they believe they want it. B. There

733
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Speaker 1: is a point with the veterans who are out there

734
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Speaker 1: where their price will be more palpable to what teams

735
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Speaker 1: want to pay. And I think they're waiting for that

736
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Speaker 1: time and to decide if they really want to do

737
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Speaker 1: this or not. Because as Ryan, you know, it's easy

738
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Speaker 1: to say, well we have cap space. Well you have

739
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Speaker 1: cap space, but anything you spend now affecting in the future,

740
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Speaker 1: see yourself to be smart with it.

741
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Speaker 2: Why rush? There's no reason to do it today, right,

742
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: I mean, let's get.

743
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Speaker 3: Guy hanging around. There's a reason they haven't been seking what.

744
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: You've got, you know. I mean he's done nothing in

745
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: his first couple of years here, but Cavil and Chashun

746
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: has been all over the field, you know, running around.

747
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: It looks like there's an awareness that he hasn't had.

748
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: But let's see what he does, right, Let's see what

749
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: you see Abdula does. Let's not have trouble, which why

750
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Speaker 2: bring it in when there's not a problem yet in

751
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Speaker 2: July and in August. If you have no pass rush,

752
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: that's a problem. There are guys out there by the way,

753
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Speaker 2: Are they all signed somewhere else yet?

754
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: Nope, they're hanging out.

755
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: They're all still there, right, so there's there's plenty of options.

756
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 2: Let's let the problem become trouble and then find the solution.

757
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: Then there's no reason to do it.

758
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Speaker 3: Now, wait for a fire saily like that, maybe your

759
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: labor day something like that.

760
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Speaker 2: I mean, a great pass rusher. You can plug him

761
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Speaker 2: in and he'll rush the passer and you'll be fine.

762
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Speaker 3: Exactly.

763
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Speaker 2: He doesn't need to be here in OTAs. Let's let

764
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Speaker 2: some of these guys who are here figure themselves out,

765
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Speaker 2: let the water find its own level, and then go

766
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Speaker 2: from there.

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Speaker 4: All right, we'll have to see what they end up doing.

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Speaker 4: Our final question of the day for John is Chris

769
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Speaker 4: from Fleming Island says any additional insight into why the

770
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Speaker 4: Jags changed kickers, specifically, anything deeper than they thought McManus

771
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Speaker 4: was just better.

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Speaker 3: You talked a little bit about this, but go on, please, John,

773
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Speaker 3: I knew.

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Speaker 1: We'd already discuss this and this was a good closer

775
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Speaker 1: for the day. No, I mean they thought McManus was better. Look.

776
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Speaker 1: I like Riley Patterson a lot. I think he's got

777
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Speaker 1: a chance to be an established kicker in this league.

778
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Speaker 1: He's not yet. And the best thing is when they

779
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: called him in, I was kind of watched to see

780
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Speaker 1: if we would go There are kickers in the league

781
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: where you sort of say, you assume they're gonna make it.

782
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Speaker 1: Riley wasn't quite there yet. I think they believe that

783
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: McManus is closer to that. You know the feeling I'm

784
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: talking about, Brian, I do, where you just don't worry

785
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: about the kicker. With Riley, you still kind of watched

786
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: it to make sure he wasn't quite there yet. They

787
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: had a chance to bring a guy that they feel

788
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: is there already, simple as that.

789
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: I thought, how many kickers are there in the league

790
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 2: that you would think are absolutely rock solid where they're at.

791
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: Kickers move kickers. I mean Brian Barker when he was

792
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: our punter here in the early years, he talked about

793
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 2: how many stops he he did so semi pro football time, right,

794
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: These guys need time on task to perfect themselves, and

795
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: they move around a lot. If you go and look

796
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: at the trajectory of most kickers, you know they're here

797
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: a year, they are two years. The Justin Tuckers of

798
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: the world are rare. You hope to find that guy,

799
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: and until you do, you move and work. And we

800
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: had Scolbie here for a number of years, because he

801
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: was a really good kicker. Right, You want to find

802
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: that guy that you have that kind of confidence in

803
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: Riley Patterson's not there yet, but he's back to Detroit

804
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: and he'll get an opportunity to prove himself again. He

805
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: may have to move from Detroit to Minnesota, to Tampa

806
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: to la and you know, finally get a shot in

807
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: Carolina whatever. I mean, He'll keep fighting for it. But

808
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: until then, the Jags can't. They can't ride that up

809
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: and down with a kicker that they watch in the

810
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: practice field and think it's just not there.

811
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Speaker 4: And when you have such a good team and what

812
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 4: they're building right now. You don't want to scrimp with

813
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 4: the kicker. You want to get the best veteran presence

814
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 4: you have and really trust that guy when he goes

815
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 4: out there to do his job exactly that we're going

816
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 4: to come right back with us. We'll have a little

817
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 4: bit more recap of what we're looking at this week

818
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: and what's coming up for you, so stay with us. So,

819
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 4: as I mentioned, OTA is about halfway done at the

820
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Speaker 4: end of today, So I think a lot of focus

821
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 4: for us, or at least for me, is kind of

822
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 4: is Doug seeing everything he needs to see?

823
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: Is he going to cancel Mini camp again?

824
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 4: Did you guys kind of get that feeling from Doug

825
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: as well as long as everything was in place that

826
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: that might be an option.

827
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Speaker 2: I think he set the expectation level right in here, yes,

828
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: and in the locker room for sure. There's an energy

829
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: out there on those OTAs. I think these guys know

830
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: that if they get the work done, that most of

831
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: them will be going home after next week and getting

832
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: on with their summer. You know, what he did do

833
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: last year was have the rookies and some young veterans.

834
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: You know, guys, who were at the bottom of the

835
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: roster fighting for those last spots. He brought them in

836
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: and gave them a chance to work. I mean I

837
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 2: would I haven't asked him, but I would imagine that

838
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: that's what he's gonna end up doing.

839
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Speaker 1: He'd be surprised that the veterans are here the last week.

840
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: I think Doug also has the respect and handle on

841
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: the team where if after three weeks he says, you

842
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: know what, there's X number of things we still need

843
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: to get done, I'm sure he'd say that in the

844
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: team meeting and say, look, we got to work on this.

845
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: Isn't this guy, I'll be ready for this, and I'm

846
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: sure that would be, you know, accepted. I think he

847
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: has the trust and respect to these players enough to

848
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: handle it either way. But I'm with you, I would

849
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: think it would be minimal veteran participation in that last week.

850
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: The one thing he did say though, that made me

851
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: think about it was when he said that it was

852
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: his job to make sure that they took that next

853
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: step right. Yep. He said that in his news conference

854
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: last Monday that he had to make sure that it

855
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: was a playoff team and ready to go. So I

856
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: think his standard is very high. He's not just looking

857
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: to see a lot. Are they here and are they

858
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: energetic and are they you know, he's making sure that

859
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: the little details are getting done. But yeah, as a

860
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: former player himself and a guy who had to fight

861
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: for his spot on the roster every year, I think

862
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: he understands that late July early August.

863
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 4: Matters, and a man that loves ice cream parties, he

864
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 4: it definitely understands that you put that ahead of people that.

865
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 3: They would deliver.

866
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: Doesn't love an ice cream party.

867
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 4: It's just pure joy. Ice cream party cancel Mini camp

868
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: is exactly what the players want to hear. But that's

869
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 4: pretty much what we got going on this week. We're

870
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 4: gonna keep a eye on everything for you and we'll

871
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: see you guys in June on our next drive time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us. We'll see you soon.