WEBVTT - #120 Wrongful Conviction: False Confessions - Teina Pora

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions. I'm Laura and I writer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Steve Drusen.

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<v Speaker 1>So far, we've told you false confession stories that span

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, from urban Chicago to rural Nebraska. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll take you across the globe to New Zealand with

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<v Speaker 1>a story that still hits way too close to home.

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<v Speaker 1>A sixteen year old boy who confessed to a rape

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<v Speaker 1>and murder he didn't commit. His wrongful conviction allowed the

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<v Speaker 1>real offender, a prolific serial rapist, to assault dozens of

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<v Speaker 1>other women, while a teenager languished behind bars after making

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<v Speaker 1>a murder. Came out season two, Steve and I have

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<v Speaker 1>had an opportunity to travel around the globe talking to

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<v Speaker 1>audiences about the problem of false confessions and the need

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<v Speaker 1>for criminal justice reform. We've spoken everywhere from the United

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<v Speaker 1>States to the United Das Kingdom, to Ireland to Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you remember this guy, Steve, who traveled around Australia

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<v Speaker 1>with us?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, this guy, this guy was beautiful. What was

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<v Speaker 2>his name, Jimon? His name was Simon. Simon. Simon was

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<v Speaker 2>like a roadie from the nineteen seventies, always wearing black

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<v Speaker 2>T shirts and deep into the heavy metal scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow, poor Simon gets assigned to the lawyers who are

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<v Speaker 1>traveling around talking about false confessions. One of my personal

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<v Speaker 1>points of pride though, is that by the end of

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<v Speaker 1>this trip around Australia, he seemed to like what we

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to do, so we had a great time

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<v Speaker 1>with him. But Simon kept asking us, as did everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else we met around Australia. Have you heard about Tana Pora?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard about New Zealand's Brendon Dassy And that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly who Tana is.

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<v Speaker 2>Police officers around the world are often trained in very

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<v Speaker 2>similar ways about how to interrogate suspects, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>expected and was beginning to discover false confessions in places

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<v Speaker 2>like Japan and Korea and other Commonwealth countries like Australia

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<v Speaker 2>and New Zealand and Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>These are stories that hit home around the globe, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's for you know, social justice driven lawyers or heavy

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<v Speaker 1>metal roadies. You know Tanapora, Brendan Dacy. We all know

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<v Speaker 1>someone vulnerable like them, and we can all see them

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<v Speaker 1>need to do justice in cases like these. Tanapora's story

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<v Speaker 1>starts about eight thousand miles away from where Steve and

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<v Speaker 1>I are sitting right now in the United States. It

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<v Speaker 1>starts in South Auckland. That's an urban area on the

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<v Speaker 1>southern edge of New Zealand's largest city, Auckland. It's home

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<v Speaker 1>to a large minority population, including Mao Reed's, the indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>Polynesian population of New Zealand. Parts of South Auckland can

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<v Speaker 1>have negative connotations too often. It's associated with poverty and crime.

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<v Speaker 1>When our story starts in nineteen ninety two, South Auckland

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<v Speaker 1>was home to a nine year old woman named Susan Burdette.

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<v Speaker 1>Susan lived alone in a tidy house on Paw Road.

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<v Speaker 1>She worked days as an account's clerk at a chemical

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing company, and on the evening of March twenty third,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two, Susan leaves her weekly bowling league meet

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<v Speaker 1>up and drives home under a night of beautiful stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Susan's a hard worker, so when she doesn't show up

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<v Speaker 1>at work the next few days, her colleagues get concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>They call her friend Steve eventually to find out if

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<v Speaker 1>he knows where she is. Steve gets worried and he

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<v Speaker 1>ends up going over to Susan's house That Wednesday, March

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth, at about twelve forty pm, he finds the

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<v Speaker 1>front door unlocked, goes inside and is greeted with a

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<v Speaker 1>horrible sight. Susan is lying horizontally on her waterbed and

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<v Speaker 1>she's clearly dead. The upper half of her body is

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped in a duvet and there's a wooden baseball bet

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<v Speaker 1>lying on the bed next to her. Her legs are

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<v Speaker 1>dangling off the side of the bed and there crossed.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone whoever did this had positioned her that way. The

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<v Speaker 1>police arrived, they remove the duvet and they find that

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<v Speaker 1>Susan had been beaten badly about the head, very likely

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<v Speaker 1>with the baseball bat. She'd also been sexually assaulted, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's plenty of DNA left behind seamen, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>a bloody smudge mark on a light switch. Susan's hands

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<v Speaker 1>were covered with defensive wounds, which indicates that she'd fought

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<v Speaker 1>back against her attacker, and her friends later identified the

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<v Speaker 1>baseball bat as belonging to Susan. She had kept it

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<v Speaker 1>next to her bed for her own protection. The police

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<v Speaker 1>begin by investigating Susan's other friends, but DNA and alibis

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<v Speaker 1>clear them all and the investigation quickly stalls. The pressure

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<v Speaker 1>is building building, that is until about a week after

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<v Speaker 1>the murder. That's when police get a call from a

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Terry McLoughlin and she tells them a story

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<v Speaker 1>about her then sixteen year old nephew, a shaggy haired,

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<v Speaker 1>baby faced mawory kid named Tana Poora.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's talk about Tana for a bit. Tana had

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<v Speaker 2>it rough growing up. His mother died when he was

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<v Speaker 2>a young boy, and his father left shortly afterwards. He

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<v Speaker 2>then got passed around from family member to family member

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<v Speaker 2>and ultimately ended up in his aunt Terry's house.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days after Susan Burdett's murder made headlines, Tana

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<v Speaker 1>and some friends found a baseball bat in the local

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<v Speaker 1>park and they were joking about it being the murder weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>Back at Aunt Terry's house, Tana kept talking about the bat.

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<v Speaker 1>Tana had a history of run ins with the law,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing really serious, but enough for Terry to want him

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<v Speaker 1>out of her house. She called the police over and over,

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<v Speaker 1>insisting that Tana knew something about Susan Burdett's murder. But

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<v Speaker 1>police quickly come to the conclusion that Tana and his

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<v Speaker 1>buddies were just over excited teens who were talking shit.

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<v Speaker 1>They interviewed Tana, they take his DNA, they even execute

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<v Speaker 1>a search warrant, but Tana and his friends are ruled

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<v Speaker 1>out exclusively as Susan Burdett's killers. The DNA doesn't match,

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<v Speaker 1>the search warrant turns up nothing, and while Tana does

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<v Speaker 1>have a record, there is nothing in his background that

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<v Speaker 1>would suggests this level of violence or depravity.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's fast forward almost exactly twelve months to March eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety three. We're almost a year out now from

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<v Speaker 2>the discovery of Susan Burdett's body in the course of

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<v Speaker 2>police investigations. That's a lifetime, and this is the only

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<v Speaker 2>unsolved homicide from nineteen ninety two.

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<v Speaker 1>Tana Pora is seventeen years old. Now he still has

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<v Speaker 1>that babyface, but his police record has grown. During a

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<v Speaker 1>routine interview with Tana about a car theft, police get

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<v Speaker 1>an anonymous phone tip about Susan Burdett's murder. This caller

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<v Speaker 1>links the murder to a local gang called the Mongrel Mob,

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<v Speaker 1>a gang Tana is rumored to have connections with, so

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<v Speaker 1>the police decide to keep him at the station for questioning.

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<v Speaker 1>His interrogation begins at nine and continues for the next

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<v Speaker 1>four days.

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<v Speaker 2>The police have Tana Pora in the interrogation room and

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<v Speaker 2>he's telling multiple different stories. The stories don't make any sense,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not an interrogation with banging of the table

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<v Speaker 2>or raised voices or threats or even promises to unite.

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<v Speaker 3>A comment that you're gonna tell us more?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that correct? Okay? Well, tell us this is a

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen year old kid who is highly suggestible and eager

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<v Speaker 2>to please the authorities. They're plying him with cigarettes and

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<v Speaker 2>fast food and drinks.

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<v Speaker 3>You had spring raw buckdog chips and drink.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 1>The detectives even mentioned twenty thousand dollars as a reward

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<v Speaker 1>for information about Susan Burdett's rape and murder. Tana's story

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<v Speaker 1>keeps evolving and the camera keeps getting turned on and off.

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<v Speaker 2>You said you were going to tell us everything first.

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<v Speaker 1>Tana tells the police that he drove two other men

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<v Speaker 1>to Susan's house and waited outside while they went into attacker.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you telling us about a person called dog raping

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<v Speaker 2>this woman? Did you hear any more or see any more?

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<v Speaker 2>I was outside in the carabeene.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually he changes that story.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought what you've said so fair that you climbed

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<v Speaker 3>it in the bedroom window and you've gone through to

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<v Speaker 3>open the door up for the other two.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Now he's climbing in through one of Susan

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<v Speaker 1>Burdett's windows and letting the other two in through the

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<v Speaker 1>front door.

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<v Speaker 2>And you were in there.

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<v Speaker 1>You could see quite clearly what was happening, Is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? I was just watching and you were just watching, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the end, after four days, Tana confesses to

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<v Speaker 1>being in the room, to actually holding Susan down while

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<v Speaker 1>his two associates raped her.

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<v Speaker 2>And you were in the room some other's time while

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<v Speaker 2>this was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it right? You were holding Susan down.

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<v Speaker 2>And that last story, the one that ultimately seals Tana's fate.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes after a break in the tea room, where

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<v Speaker 2>of course, the cameras are turned off at.

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<v Speaker 1>The suggestion of the police. Tana identifies this to supposed

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<v Speaker 1>accomplices as senior members of the Mongrel Mob, that local gang.

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<v Speaker 1>The police bring in those two individuals that Tana had named,

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<v Speaker 1>but their DNA doesn't match the DNA found on Susan's body,

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<v Speaker 1>they're cleared and they're released. Things don't go as smoothly

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<v Speaker 1>for Tana. He's arrested based on his confession. He's charged

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<v Speaker 1>with Susan Burdette's rape and murder, and fourteen long months later,

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutors try Tana Porra for participating in the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Burdett along with two unknown accomplices.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's stop right here for a minute. This is

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<v Speaker 2>round one of the battle of these two titans of evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>confessions versus DNA. DNA seemed to clear Tanapora of any

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<v Speaker 2>rolling this crime, but it's the confessions that ultimately lead

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<v Speaker 2>to his conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>On June sixteenth, nineteen ninety four, a jury took less

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<v Speaker 1>than ninety minutes to Convictaan Apora of rape and murder.

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<v Speaker 1>He received a life sentence and was shipped off to prison.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, the New Zealand Police are beginning

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<v Speaker 1>a focused investigation into six rapes that had occurred between

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight and nineteen ninety two in the Auckland area,

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<v Speaker 1>including Susan Burdette's rape. Now, these attacks were all similar

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<v Speaker 1>enough that some police officers began to worry that they

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<v Speaker 1>had a serial rapist on their hands. All of them

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<v Speaker 1>involved a lone wolf attacker who broke into women's homes,

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped their heads in blankets or duveys, and repositioned them

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<v Speaker 1>so that they lay sideways across the edge of the

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<v Speaker 1>bed during the attack. And by April nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>a few years after Tana's conviction, the investigation into these

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<v Speaker 1>rapes linked them all, including Susan Burdett's attack, to the

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<v Speaker 1>DNA of the same person, a man named Malcolm Raywa.

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<v Speaker 2>Now who is Malcolm Rewa? First of all, he's twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years older than Tana Porra. And while I usually try

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid characterizing my fellow humans like this, Raywa is

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<v Speaker 2>a monster. He's a terrifying figure, a prolific serial rapist.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the kind of predator that women worry about. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the worst nightmare. Raywak committed his first rape in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies. His wife was in labor giving birth to

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<v Speaker 1>their child at the time, so Raywa took the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to sexually assault a nurse in a hospital bed. Unbelievable

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<v Speaker 1>four and.

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<v Speaker 2>A half years in prison he spent for that awful crime.

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<v Speaker 1>So he gets out of prison and apparently rapes again.

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<v Speaker 1>From then on, over the dozens of rapes that he

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<v Speaker 1>went on to commit, rey Wa started developing a pattern

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<v Speaker 1>an mo O. He'd carefully select his victims who tended

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<v Speaker 1>to be single women, professionals who were home alone. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>stake out their homes in advance and plan his attacks meticulously,

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<v Speaker 1>and then always the same thing, a surprise attack after

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<v Speaker 1>the woman had fallen asleep, a physical attack first to

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<v Speaker 1>subdue her, then the blanket or duvet around her head,

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<v Speaker 1>and a rape at the side of the bed.

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<v Speaker 2>And Raya would hide in their homes. He would wait

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<v Speaker 2>for them to get into bed and begin to fall asleep,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he would attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Wall apparently suffered from a rectile dysfunction, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why he positioned his victims in a way that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>him to maintain sexual contact during his attacks. That's also

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<v Speaker 1>why he acted alone. He didn't exactly want an audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray was arrested on May thirteenth, nineteen ninety six. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty dramatic sting operation. Actually, the police had been

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<v Speaker 1>planning this for quite some time. When he tries to

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<v Speaker 1>run police dogs wrestle this guy to the ground. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the police remember that Tana Pora had already confessed to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the rapes to which Reywa is tied by DNA,

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<v Speaker 1>so they immediately ask him if he knows Tana Pura.

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<v Speaker 1>Raywa is crystal clear never met him. Based on the

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<v Speaker 1>arrest of Malcolm Rawa, the Court of Appeals throws out

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<v Speaker 1>Tana's conviction in nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Never met him. Now, at this point in time, where

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<v Speaker 2>you have a prolific serial rapist operating in the same

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood as the Burdette murder and his DNA is at

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<v Speaker 2>the crime scene and he's telling you I don't know Tanapura,

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<v Speaker 2>most prosecutors and police officers would throw their hands up

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<v Speaker 2>and say we can't go forward with the reprosecution of

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<v Speaker 2>Tana Pura. We have to free him.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead Tana is retried, and if you've listened to

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, you know what's coming. Prosecutors change their theory

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<v Speaker 1>of the case and argue at Tana's second trial that

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<v Speaker 1>he and Rewa raped and killed Susan Burdett together, even

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<v Speaker 1>though Rewa had denied knowing Tana, even though Reywa always

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<v Speaker 1>acted alone, and even though Rewa would never have wanted

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<v Speaker 1>some teenager there to witness his sexual dysfunction.

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<v Speaker 2>So now we have round two of a battle between

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<v Speaker 2>confession evidence and DNA evidence, except this time we know

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<v Speaker 2>whose DNA it is. It's the DNA of a serial

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<v Speaker 2>rapist named Malcolm Rewa. Will Tana's confession bring him down

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<v Speaker 2>or will the jury side with the science and recognize

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<v Speaker 2>that Tana Pora and Malcolm Rewa had never met?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure enough, despite all hopes that the DNA evidence would

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<v Speaker 1>be an enough to clear Tana, Tana was convicted a

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<v Speaker 1>second time of raping and murdering Susan Burdett and sent

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<v Speaker 1>back to his life sentence. Meanwhile, Malcolm Rewa himself stood

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<v Speaker 1>trial for three months in nineteen ninety eight on what

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<v Speaker 1>amounted to forty five counts of rape involving twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>different women. His trial ended with convictions for sexually assaulting

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five of them, including Susan Burdett. Just like Tana,

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<v Speaker 1>he was shipped off to prison for decades. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>is justice for Rewa, but for Tana Porra it's anything but.

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<v Speaker 1>And for years Tana served as time with little hope

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<v Speaker 1>of freedom, and things might have stayed bleak for him

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<v Speaker 1>had it not been for a man named Tim McKinnell.

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<v Speaker 2>Now who is.

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<v Speaker 3>Tim McKinnell at the moment in time is self employed,

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<v Speaker 3>private and vistigator. But when I finished university I joined

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<v Speaker 3>the police. As a twenty two year old.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim mckinnall started out his career as a cop, A

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<v Speaker 2>good cop, one of the best cops hoops. Tim had

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<v Speaker 2>become a member of the South Auckland Police Force in

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<v Speaker 2>the late nineteen nineties, eventually rising to junior detective by

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<v Speaker 2>the year two thousand. That year, the force had been

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<v Speaker 2>divided over the case of Tanapura.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of chat went on and the police bar

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<v Speaker 3>at the time, and there was a real disconnect between

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<v Speaker 3>two different groups of people. People that thought Tana Porter

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<v Speaker 3>was a guilty man and had been involved in the

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<v Speaker 3>ripe and murder of Susan Beidett, and there was another

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<v Speaker 3>camp of experienced police officers who thought that he was

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<v Speaker 3>an innocent man.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, Tim remembers seeing all manner of drunken arguments

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<v Speaker 2>at police bars and he was struck by the passion

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<v Speaker 2>of those who believed in Tanapura.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim never forgot those arguments or his own growing doubt

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<v Speaker 1>about Tana's guilt even after he eventually left the police force,

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<v Speaker 1>and as many retired officers do, he became a private investigator.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and seven, Tim attended a local conference

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<v Speaker 1>on wrongful convictions and false confessions, and that conference brought

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<v Speaker 1>up those old, lingering questions that Tim had about Tana's case.

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<v Speaker 1>The last straw came when Tim was diagnosed in his

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<v Speaker 1>thirties with a rare blood disorder, not exactly a death sentence,

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<v Speaker 1>but the kind of health scare that led him to

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<v Speaker 1>reevaluate his priorities and seek out more meaningful work like

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<v Speaker 1>freeing the innocent. Eventually, Tim decided to take the plunge.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and nine, he visited Tana Pora, who

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<v Speaker 1>was then thirty four years old in prison. Tana was

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<v Speaker 1>no longer that teenage car thief Tim had read about.

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<v Speaker 1>He was polite, well mannered, surprisingly gentle, even warm. Tim

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<v Speaker 1>begins to feel an urge to help this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's the matter of Tana's confession. Tim starts by

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<v Speaker 2>digging up videotapes of Tana's interrogation, and they're not easy

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<v Speaker 2>to find. They're on old VHS tapes in boxes in

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<v Speaker 2>police departments. But he gets them and he sits down

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<v Speaker 2>to watch them, and he is blown away by what

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<v Speaker 2>he saw.

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<v Speaker 3>When you examine what he was able to say on

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<v Speaker 3>day one, in the first few interviews on tape, and

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<v Speaker 3>you compare that to what he was able to say

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<v Speaker 3>four days later, there are marked differences. There were some

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<v Speaker 3>very particular things that happened in Susan's house that the

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<v Speaker 3>offender would know, and it's clear from the interviews that

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<v Speaker 3>Tana Porter had no idea about any of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite four days worth of trying, Tina just was not

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<v Speaker 1>able to tell a story that matched what actually happened.

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<v Speaker 1>When police asked him to describe Susan Burdette, he says

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<v Speaker 1>she was chubby, even though she was actually quite athletic.

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<v Speaker 1>Tina is asked to draw a picture of how he

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<v Speaker 1>left Susan's body. Remember she'd been found horizontally with her

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<v Speaker 1>legs dangling over the side of the bed, but he

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<v Speaker 1>draws her lying vertically on the bed. When he was

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<v Speaker 1>asked whether there was anything special about Susan's bed, Tena

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<v Speaker 1>can't come up with the fact that it was a

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<v Speaker 1>wider bat.

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<v Speaker 3>And so one of the questions that arises about that

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<v Speaker 3>is how did he come to know things on day

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<v Speaker 3>four that he didn't know on day one.

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<v Speaker 1>The interrogators take Tina on a field trip to Susan

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<v Speaker 1>Burdett's street so that he can point out details of

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<v Speaker 1>the crime to them in person, and they videotaped the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>He started giving them directions that were taking them away

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<v Speaker 3>from her house, so they helpfully tried to direct him

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<v Speaker 3>back towards her house. It was pretty clear on tape

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<v Speaker 3>that he still had no idea where he was going

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<v Speaker 3>and wasn't able to identify anything familiar. In the end,

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<v Speaker 3>they took him to the outside of the house where

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<v Speaker 3>Susan had been raped murdered and asked him if he

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<v Speaker 3>recognized anything, and again he didn't, so the police officer

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<v Speaker 3>and it's really chilling, really chilling to watch it. He said, Look,

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<v Speaker 3>it's clear you don't recognize what it is you're looking for,

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<v Speaker 3>So do you think it would help if I showed

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<v Speaker 3>you house? And that's an extraordinary thing for a police

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<v Speaker 3>officer to do.

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<v Speaker 2>For Tim, that's it. This was a false confession. He

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<v Speaker 2>was motivated, fired up, and he would not rest until

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<v Speaker 2>Tina Poora was cleared. But he needs to present more

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<v Speaker 2>evidence to the lawyers and other people he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>get involved in this case.

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<v Speaker 3>So Tana's case isn't one that was only scarred by

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<v Speaker 3>false confession. There were the other issues that were beginning

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<v Speaker 3>to arise with the involvement of Tana's family.

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<v Speaker 2>Tina's cousin became a key witness for the prosecution against Tana.

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<v Speaker 2>She claimed that she had seen Tina with Rewa on

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<v Speaker 2>multiple occasions, including once at Tina's girlfriend's home.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tim was able to discredit Martha's testimony.

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<v Speaker 3>There was evidence of paid witnesses, including his cousin and

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<v Speaker 3>his auntie. Those family members gave evidence against him, and

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<v Speaker 3>we know that at least one of them was paid

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<v Speaker 3>five thousand dollars for her trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim tracks down Fiona, Tina's girlfriend, and Fiona says that

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<v Speaker 1>she has no idea who Malcolm Rawell was and that

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<v Speaker 1>he was never in her home. From his time on

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<v Speaker 1>the police force, Tim was well acquainted with the various

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<v Speaker 1>gangs operating around South Auckland, so for him, one piece

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<v Speaker 1>of the prosecution's argument was clearly ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Malcolm Rawa was a senior member of the Highway sixty

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<v Speaker 3>one Motorcycle Club Mortal enemies of the Mongrel Mob, and

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<v Speaker 3>Sotana Porter as somebody who was supposedly involved with the

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<v Speaker 3>Mungrel Mob going to Susan Burdette's house late one night

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<v Speaker 3>with a senior member of the Highway sixty ones to

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<v Speaker 3>commit a brutal rape and murder. Anybody that knows anything

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<v Speaker 3>about gang culture in New Zealand will tell you that

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<v Speaker 3>that's just nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim doesn't stop there. He also starts assembling an all

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<v Speaker 1>star team of experts, starting with an Icelandic professor and

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<v Speaker 1>former detective himself, Geesley good Johnson, who was a professor

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<v Speaker 1>by that time in London. Now Geasley essentially created the

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<v Speaker 1>field of falls confession science. He's the father of everything

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about during this podcast. And after Tim sends

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<v Speaker 1>him Tane's interrogation videos, Gezley agrees to write a report

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<v Speaker 1>deconstructing Tana's statements and deeming them unreliable.

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<v Speaker 2>Next, Tim enlists the help of respected local New Zealand

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<v Speaker 2>journalist named Phil Taylor. Phil had questioned the stage case

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<v Speaker 2>against Tana for years and is happy to help, and

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<v Speaker 2>Phil delivers in twenty twelve as the case for Tana's

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<v Speaker 2>innocence is building. Phil releases a bombshell article titled Innocent

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<v Speaker 2>Man in Jail for twenty Years, and in it, Chook Henwood,

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<v Speaker 2>the detective who had developed the original criminal profile of

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm Rewa, says the cops got it horribly wrong in

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<v Speaker 2>Susan Burdett's case. Tana had nothing to do with this. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a huge deal because chuk Henwood is the

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<v Speaker 2>most famous criminal profiler in New Zealand, a bit like

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<v Speaker 2>John Douglas of The Mind Hunter fame.

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<v Speaker 3>For somebody like chuk Henwood to come out and express

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<v Speaker 3>a family held conviction that Tana Porter was innocent was

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<v Speaker 3>hugely important in terms of public perception and momentum for

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<v Speaker 3>our appeal work on Tana's case.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the middle of this, there's this remarkable moment

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<v Speaker 2>when Susan Burdett's brother Jim comes forward and says, I

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<v Speaker 2>too believe that Tana Pora is innocent, and he actually

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<v Speaker 2>meets with Tana Pora. It's this incredible moment of reconciliation

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<v Speaker 2>and grace.

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<v Speaker 1>Momentum is building across the board, but there's still one

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<v Speaker 1>more piece. Can Tim provide a better understanding, a better

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<v Speaker 1>explanation of why Tana confessed to a crime he didn't commit.

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<v Speaker 3>Documentary make it called Michael Bennett making a documentary about

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<v Speaker 3>Tana's case. Perhaps the most significant development in twenty years

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<v Speaker 3>occurred because the person that had been watching it was

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<v Speaker 3>a woman called doctor Valerie McGinn.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor McGinn provides Tim with the answer he needs. She

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<v Speaker 1>writes reports saying, your clients, mister Tana Pora sounds very

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<v Speaker 1>similar to many people with fetal alcohol spectrum disorder. She

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<v Speaker 1>even attaches a journal article that details how individuals with

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<v Speaker 1>FASD are at an increased risk of getting arrested.

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<v Speaker 3>And more importantly, people that have it can be impulsive,

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<v Speaker 3>They suggestible, they eager to please figures of authority, and

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<v Speaker 3>so when you look at those types of behaviors and

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<v Speaker 3>then you consider the position Taaner was in when he

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<v Speaker 3>was in the police station in nineteen ninety three, it

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<v Speaker 3>almost makes it inevitable that he was going to confess

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<v Speaker 3>to something.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor mcginnon confirms categorically that Tena suffers from an FASD disorder,

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<v Speaker 1>he was uniquely susceptible to falsely confessing in the interrogation room.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that really bothered me about Tana's

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<v Speaker 3>case is we could never understand why he did what

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<v Speaker 3>he did, the things he said, and the people he implicated.

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<v Speaker 3>It just none of it made sense to us and

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<v Speaker 3>we couldn't explain that to the courts. And so once

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<v Speaker 3>we got this diagnosis of feder work whole spectrum disorder,

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<v Speaker 3>it all became clear. It was the final piece of

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<v Speaker 3>the puzzle and we finally understood what it was we

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<v Speaker 3>were dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>And that does it. All the pieces are assembled for

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<v Speaker 1>Tim and his team to appeal Tena's conviction, and they

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<v Speaker 1>bring the case in November of twenty fourteen to the

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<v Speaker 1>Privy Council in London, the final Court of Appeal where

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<v Speaker 1>Commonwealth countries like New Zealand can bring cases like Tena's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the court of last resort and it's staffed with

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<v Speaker 2>senior judge some of the best and brightest minds in

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<v Speaker 2>the entire Commonwealth.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is Tina's last shot, and his lawyers put

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<v Speaker 1>his fa SD disorder at the front of their case,

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<v Speaker 1>arguing that judges in the nineteen ninety four and two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand trials weren't aware of his disability and if they

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<v Speaker 1>had been, they would have ruled differently.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a big group of people that gathered at

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Bennett, the documentary maker's house, waiting for that decision

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<v Speaker 3>to be announced, and it was an extraordinary moment. We

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<v Speaker 3>only got to tell Taneer about an hour before the

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<v Speaker 3>whole world found out that he had his conviction quashed

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<v Speaker 3>and he was no longer a rapist and murderer. It

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<v Speaker 3>was incredibly emotional for him.

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<v Speaker 1>On March third, twenty fifteen, in the case of Poorra

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<v Speaker 1>versus the Queen, the Council of rules that Tina's confessions

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<v Speaker 1>must be thrown out and they quashed his conviction for

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<v Speaker 1>the rape and murder of Susan Burdett. Two weeks later,

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<v Speaker 1>the Crown prosecutors dropped their case and declined to retry Tina,

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<v Speaker 1>and after more than twenty years, Tina Porra was officially exonerated.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what his first concern was for was for

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<v Speaker 3>the police officers that had interviewed him. He didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>their reputations to be tarnished because of what had happened.

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<v Speaker 3>One of his first thoughts was for other people, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>In so many of these wrongful conviction cases, you see

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<v Speaker 1>people go through so much pain and They have every

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<v Speaker 1>rate to be better, resentful, angry, all of those things,

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<v Speaker 1>but so often you see them express, at least publicly,

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<v Speaker 1>these incredible acts of grace. It's almost as though they've

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<v Speaker 1>lived through so much pain they don't want to cause anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty sixteen, Tina received a sum of money to

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<v Speaker 2>compensate him for the time he had spent in prison

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<v Speaker 2>for a crime he did not commit. He also received

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<v Speaker 2>an apology from the New Zealand government.

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<v Speaker 3>Tyana grew up in prison. He was there for twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two years and he struggles every day. We keep in contact,

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<v Speaker 3>but life isn't great for him. The money makes some

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<v Speaker 3>things easier, but it doesn't repair the psychological damage. It

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't bring the years back, and it doesn't his life

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<v Speaker 3>easy now. It is incredibly difficult to watch him struggle

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<v Speaker 3>through life after everything he's been through.

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<v Speaker 1>Tana, we salute your sheer endurance, your will to keep

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<v Speaker 1>on fighting and surviving and living through this ordeal from

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the planet. Know that we won't

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<v Speaker 1>forget your name or what you've been through, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of us together we're fighting to make sure it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>happen again. And that's the story of Tana Pora. Next

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<v Speaker 1>week's episode takes us to El Paso, Texas, where a

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<v Speaker 1>total stranger became invested in the case of Daniel Viegas

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<v Speaker 1>and turned out to be a savior. Till then, Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for listening. Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions is the production of

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<v Speaker 1>Lava for Good Podcasts in association with Signal Company Number One.

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<v Speaker 1>Special thanks to our executive producer Jason and the team

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<v Speaker 1>at Signal Company Number One. Executive producer Kevin wardis senior

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<v Speaker 1>producer and Pope, and additional production and editing by Connor Hall.

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<v Speaker 1>Our music was composed by Jay Ralph. You can follow

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<v Speaker 1>me on Instagram or Twitter at Laura Nyrider, and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can follow me on Twitter at s Drizzen.

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