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Speaker 1: of like a fun sad story to talk about, okay,

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Speaker 1: because it happened fifty something years ago, but it's still

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Speaker 1: very fresh to my guest, Abigail Barretto, who it goes

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Speaker 1: by Abby, and so welcome to our show, Abby.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me today. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And not to just jump the gun, but I mean it.

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Speaker 1: It happened about fifty years ago. What we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about, and that is the ring in the Mountain,

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Speaker 1: the story of your father and his I don't want

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Speaker 1: to call it a training accident, but please go ahead

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Speaker 1: and go into a little bit more detail about what

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, at the core of this is a story

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Speaker 4: about a daughter meeting her father for the first time

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Speaker 4: postmously through the lens of those who knew him. So

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Speaker 4: back in nineteen seventy two, during a NATO training mission,

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Speaker 4: and they all tragically died that day. And my father

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Speaker 4: he was wearing his room that day, and it was

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Speaker 4: us that Rainy sat up on the mountain in Norway,

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Speaker 4: two hundred miles within the Arctic Circle. For twenty two

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Speaker 1: Hans is his name right? The hunter was a doctor

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Speaker 1: named Hans. I don't want to butcher his last name,

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine, it's cross dad. It's not too hard

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Speaker 1: Crow Stat, Yes, doctor Krowstat. Doctor Hans Grosta, out on

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Speaker 3: Well, he does live in the in the region.

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Speaker 4: So he went across by ferry to the island of

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Speaker 3: For gross that fall afternoon all those years ago, nineteen

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Speaker 1: And here he is probably looking, you know, and just

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Speaker 4: So, my father's a star staff and it was listening

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Speaker 4: It's miraculous that he found this, I mean twenty years

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Speaker 1: Right easy. So did they ever, so when the crash happened,

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Speaker 4: Sure, well, he did die when I was fifteen months old,

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Speaker 3: Necessarily tell you the whole story.

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Speaker 4: And so I'm not sure that I know my mother

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Speaker 4: But over the last years of investigating, we have figured out.

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Speaker 3: What happened, and it was really due to weather. The

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Speaker 3: So they were going up onto a mountain to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've been in some really dense fog where

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Speaker 1: unhospitable terrain, you know, boy, you know, and sorry, thank you? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: It's you know, it's interesting because I never felt like

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Speaker 4: my side the whole time. Yeah, and I for sure

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his arms around you. Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say, but you know, he was

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Speaker 1: always with you, Abby, he was always there, Abby.

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Speaker 3: And now I have the understanding so much more now.

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Speaker 4: It's actually it's a tremendous feeling to know that I

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Speaker 1: Well, let's see if I can give their his colleagues

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Speaker 1: We had Henry N. Pilger. Is that right?

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Speaker 1: also a KA Cat and easy at his Annapolis class, Right,

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Speaker 1: we were kind of like talking. Okay, okay, I learned

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Speaker 1: that about him. That's very cool, right. P. M. Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: Lance corporal HML Dash one sixty seven. James Skinner, James L.

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Speaker 1: one and all of them perish that night on that

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Speaker 1: five Marines that perished. There's a docu series, right? Is

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Speaker 1: that going on? Right now? What's going on? Is there

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Speaker 1: a movie? A book? Can you tell me a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about what we're going to find out about

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Speaker 1: this ring?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 4: So there is a documentary about the discovery of this ring.

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Speaker 1: Ring.

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Speaker 4: Me meeting Hans for the first time to thank him,

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Speaker 4: uh me visiting the crash guy me honoring not just

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Speaker 3: Four other Phone Marines who died along him that day, and.

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Speaker 4: Meeting some of his childhood friends family. I was able

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Speaker 3: Part of this is own.

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Speaker 4: My friend Rocky, Rocky Shaw, who was a marine, he

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Speaker 3: He was on this mission with me, with me, I

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Speaker 1: You know, I got you know it's here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to let that slide. That's fine. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But rock was instrumental in helping me understand what Operations

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Speaker 4: Strong was the time terrier and it was also instrumental

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Speaker 1: What's Strong? What was that Strong Press? What is that?

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Speaker 4: It was called Operation Strong Express. It was NATO's largest

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, so it was it was there winter exercise.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a joint exercise. So this was like

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Speaker 1: a total joint exercise, multiple nation involved. They were doing

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, just scrash happened in the last moments of this operation.

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Speaker 3: It was a clean up time, the operation was over sure.

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Speaker 4: Going back up on the mountain, doing some recount of

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Speaker 4: and it's it's just really unfortunate in those last those

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Speaker 1: Yeah, day, Yeah, they're just like doing picked up and

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Speaker 1: they the passengers h Riser Riser was a passenger. Lieutenant

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Speaker 1: Colonel James Skinner was probably also a passenger because they're

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Speaker 1: from mass Dashed one, right, so they're probably like hey,

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Speaker 1: and then so you your father was pilot, correct, it

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it was going to be crew chief or

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Speaker 1: so if these guys all with their keen sense, right bam? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Was was was their recovery of the remains? Was that

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Speaker 1: something you know that was able to be done? Was

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Speaker 4: You know, so the big problem that day was the

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Speaker 1: It's like, no matter what you do, I've got them

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00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: to hopefully make me rich. I'm blowing for money about

440
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: a math. Come on, kids, get your college done. What's

441
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: a check book over draft? That's a thing. Yeah, that's

442
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: a thing. Let me tell you. I know we were

443
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: all nineteen years older with than a bank account that

444
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: had checked at that time. I was like, huh so

445
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: the money is still in there, right, Oh, the money's

446
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: not taken out yet. I've been through checks today. It's

447
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: still in the bank. Two weeks later, still in the bank.

448
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, you know that three hundred dollars goes

449
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: a long way. Oh my gosh. No, your dad would

450
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: be very very happy with you, and he would want

451
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: his story to be told about him and his homies

452
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: that were on that ship. You know that that aircraft,

453
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: you know that helicopter.

454
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 3: Again, I do believe the rain was left behind. I

455
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: firmly believed he probably did that on purpose.

456
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 4: Yes, that some time these men's stories in there like

457
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 4: come back to life. That It's quite honestly, for fifty

458
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 4: years they sat up there unattended, and.

459
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: There might still be some of them up there that

460
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: have not been recovered. That is just their permanent you know,

461
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: burial site for them. Uh, you know, in all in

462
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: all respect, you know, if you said the crash happened,

463
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: how it did, and they tried to probably gather everything

464
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: they could. But if the ring went somewhere, I'm sure

465
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: there was other you know, like a digit or two

466
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: here and there too, you know, and so and so

467
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool in a weird morbid way that

468
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: a piece of them is still there to represent it,

469
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, and and the and the solemn rock

470
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: that has the plaque on it. I took a peek

471
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: at your documentary, you know, in that area right there,

472
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: it just is the gentleman on the microphone is probably

473
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: the gentleman you were mentioning Rocky, right, Is that who

474
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: it was? Okay, he was probably talking. Was that him

475
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: in the flight jacket? Oh?

476
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 3: You know that another Marie who did this? Are an

477
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: Asian male? Yep.

478
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: And so he was the president of the alumni. So

479
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: when my husband and I started really investigating, he was

480
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 4: a real champion of the story. And I'll tell you

481
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 4: within the h m l m l A organization, this

482
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: has been a mystery to them.

483
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: So again, it's just an interesting chain of events that.

484
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: This is.

485
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: This happened, We got in touch with them, h M

486
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 4: l A got him involved, slicks.

487
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: His name case. Yes, he.

488
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: Got on an airplane, did not ever meet me, and

489
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 4: met me in Norway to represent the United States coming war.

490
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: You first stand up when you go and watch that

491
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: trailer for the documentary and you listen to him say,

492
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, being in your presence is enough here to

493
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: know the presence kind of thing. I felt that from

494
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: him when he says that, you know, you guys are there.

495
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: It's like just something about being there. I'm getting chills

496
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: right now just thinking about him talking about just the

497
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: presence and being around you guys. You know he probably

498
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: misses him too. You know. It's like, you know, in

499
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: that aspect if he's you know, he knows these names,

500
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: he knows these traits of these guys, and yeah, that's

501
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: really cool of him to show up and just be

502
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: there and meet you. That seems like a marine right there,

503
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean to say?

504
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: You know, they're really no man left behind me?

505
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: I feel like and always faithful and always.

506
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: Well they really heaven go on me as part of

507
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: the crew. Everything.

508
00:29:53,400 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm welcome. It's a it's a tremendous feelingly to

509
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: know that after all these years that I am and

510
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 4: I am the family.

511
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: Just because my father is, he doesn't mean.

512
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: One hundred percent you are one hundred percent. I say

513
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, the son of the s

514
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: F dad was green Berey. You're the daughter of the Marines.

515
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: You're the daughter of a marine and you know, boy

516
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: was that his first So like, let me ask you

517
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: something about your dad. What do you know about him

518
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: prior to that? Did he go to Vietnam?

519
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: No, he didn't. In fact, it's interesting you asked that because.

520
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: My mother apparently he was sad at it.

521
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: He on this Oh yeah, because.

522
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: Like Norway, nobody dies.

523
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: And you don't know nobody dies, right everybody, but he's dying.

524
00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: Your sweet mom, Yes, you know you knew, you knew somebody, Yeah.

525
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: Who had lost somebody? So what if for.

526
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: Her, especially as a helicopter pilot, right, because those guys

527
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: are getting shot at coming into landings and these LZ's,

528
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: these landing zones that are all hot and like peppered

529
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: with enemy fire coming at them, right, And so I

530
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: mean she's like Okay, he's just gonna go fly a

531
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: training mine. That's fine. It's not Vietnam. Yea. He knows

532
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's a math whiz. He's super cute.

533
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: He'll be fine. Well, you know, let's just say something.

534
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: All right, It's twenty twenty five, and if I look

535
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: at a picture of your father right now, he is

536
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: a handsome gentleman in his suit right here, with his

537
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: smile so dapper and his hairline, and I encourage everyone

538
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: to go and check out, you know, go look up

539
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: Henry N. Pilger, first Lieutenant, and you'll see kind of

540
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: what you can find out about him and reading he is.

541
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking at his picture right now, I'm looking at you,

542
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: and you might have his head like his his skull. Okay, airline, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

543
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: I bet either gonna like. I'll say it as I

544
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: see it. I'm cool, I'm open and honest. I say though,

545
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing, right and so yes, yes, so

546
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: you know see, and that's very awesome. So he's definitely

547
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: all around you. You're him. He's he's like, if I

548
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: can do anything on this earth of me, it's you.

549
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: So there you are. Yeah, yes, so you got you

550
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: gotta own it, and you got to be the best

551
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: you can and you got to be the best steward

552
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: with what you have to steward in your life for

553
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: him and your family's sake, and you're doing it. And

554
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: so is this going to be a So forgive me

555
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: if I'm oblivious to this, because I got the trailer right?

556
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: Is the documentary? How is the documentary along? Where can

557
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: we find that documentary?

558
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 4: Is not public yet?

559
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: Okay, I am distribution. I have found one platform that

560
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: isn't going to be showing it. Uh should be out

561
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: about ABLA. I do share the film with marine freely,

562
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: and I'm happy to share the film.

563
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 4: That has been a tremendous honor for me because mostly

564
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: mostly it's men, and it's mostly the men in the

565
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 4: age group of Vietnam, and if you will, you will

566
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: a lot of alumni and night.

567
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: And it's it's.

568
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: I am so honored with the letters they write me

569
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 4: after watching the film. They certainly talk about how proud

570
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 4: they are of me. I mean they don't know me.

571
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: But quit right there.

572
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: Their father ages and they have children of their own,

573
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: and so they talk about that, and then they talk

574
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: about their experience during their service.

575
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm really honored to receive those types

576
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: of letters. Yeah, it's relatable.

577
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: You know, I'm now in my fifties, so now I

578
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 4: can also succeed because a daughter, but I can also

579
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 4: succeed as as.

580
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 3: Almost the widow figure.

581
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: Sure, I understand sort of both sides of it now,

582
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: and I understand my mother.

583
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: A lot more.

584
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I bet you do.

585
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, back then, seventies, eies, even in the nineties,

586
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 4: you know, PTSD was not a phrase or a mental issue.

587
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: It's called shell shock. Shell shock is what we call the.

588
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: Shock I mean, which is pretty crazy though.

589
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it was, right, Yeah, yeah, but.

590
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 3: You know you didn't talk about it, and you didn't

591
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,240
Speaker 3: work through those things. You didn't seek help necessary.

592
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 4: You know, you used it your list, smiled and way

593
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 4: and kept on going.

594
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: It's just the way it was. So now I'm understanding

595
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: who she was. I mean, she has also passed on,

596
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: but I understand who she was.

597
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Does she remarry the way she was? Does she remarry?

598
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: She did remarry? Yeah, of course, Well that was nice

599
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: of him to understand that she came along with a

600
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: lost love. Yeah, yeah, you know that will never be

601
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 1: a whole heart, but as much she can't to him,

602
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: and you know, I can only imagine if I had

603
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: lost my love at such a young age with a family,

604
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, and now she had to be mom and

605
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: dad and take care.

606
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 3: Of daughters years old with a baby.

607
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 4: I mean, what is that that is?

608
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: It's so sad. I'm so sad. I mean, I love

609
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: I love it, I love her, I love you. I

610
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: think you're great. It's just a sad situation for a

611
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: young twenty three year old marine wife. Sure is to

612
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: be holding her fifteen month old saying where's my marine?

613
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: But other wives that are in her same position at

614
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: the same ages. That was going on a lot in

615
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: the seventies and the sixties, you know, with Vietnam happening,

616
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: and yeah a tragedy.

617
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 3: Yes also was married and had a daughter. And we're

618
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 3: the same age.

619
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 4: She's just a couple of months older than I am,

620
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 4: and so it was a fastshood for us.

621
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: It's kind of like her ring too. It's like it's

622
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: like they all can justin. They probably have all if

623
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: anybody from the families you reach out to, they're just like,

624
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: thank you, you know, for well, the ring is.

625
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 3: The reason why.

626
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: Yes.

627
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 3: So I'm at the helmet the story. Very honored to

628
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: be at.

629
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 4: The helmet the story.

630
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: But it's no longer just my story. It's our story.

631
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

632
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I you.

633
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 4: Know, I'm here to share that and I'm proud to

634
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 4: be be sharing any that way.

635
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: We're happy to immortalize it here. Yeah, we were happy

636
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: to bring it to like yes, And my listeners are awesome,

637
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I get letters all the time from

638
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: them saying, Rad, you had a great guest on it

639
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: was really this or going this way, and and they

640
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: give me feedback. I have generals that type to me. Rad,

641
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm over here doing I just love your show. And

642
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, thank you, sir, dude, sir, it's

643
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: been a minute comment on down.

644
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: I've really had the support. NATO is aware of the story.

645
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 4: The Marines came out out of stud Guard Germany. They

646
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 4: send a school team. There's the Marine's done about this story.

647
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 4: It really is an amazing story that really gives you hop.

648
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of healing.

649
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 4: It's never too late. And like I said, finding the

650
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 4: Nenets of the Kin also has been and probably one

651
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 4: of my greatest honors. The people that have come together

652
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: is the best part of the story other than meeting

653
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 4: my father, if that makes sense. I mean, I just

654
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 4: people like like Rockie, all all the other families.

655
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 3: It almost doesn't have the words in my heart.

656
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: And let me say those names again. That's Gerald Merklinger,

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Speaker 1: Henry M. Pilger, Pete M. Rodriguez, James Skinner, and Raymond W.

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Speaker 1: Wise Riser. I just want to say that, right, those

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Speaker 1: were the souls on board of that aircraft, of that

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Speaker 1: Huey that perished on that day, and we just want

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Speaker 1: to say their names one more time, you know, just

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Speaker 1: to make sure that it's in the show. A simple

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Speaker 1: as that. Yeah, you're welcome all of our story. You know.

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Speaker 1: I think you've been a fascinating guest on the show,

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Speaker 1: and we've really captured of the essence of what we

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Speaker 1: wanted to put out there. And I just think that

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Speaker 1: somebody should pick it up and take it to distribution

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Speaker 1: and we should be able to watch us on you know,

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Speaker 1: just any of these streaming platforms where you know there's

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Speaker 1: proceeds that can help benefit anything to do with the

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Speaker 1: associations you want to be tied with. Right, that's the

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Speaker 1: goal to help help bring closure to other situations that

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Speaker 1: can use the same kind of you know, documentary, the filming.

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Speaker 1: It's just it. I can feel it already from you,

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Speaker 1: just like you know, sure distribution send it out great.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's so important important everybody everybody's and here is obviously,

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Speaker 4: but that all five men are represented.

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Speaker 3: They all had a story, they all had a.

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Speaker 4: Light on the ship day on the tarmac, and then

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Speaker 4: it's sort of taken off.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of last names right there. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of last names. It's a lot of different last names,

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Speaker 1: a lot of different places. Those people come from a

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Speaker 1: lot of like we didn't know each other, but we

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Speaker 1: can fight together as one team on that aircraft.

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Speaker 3: That's right, right, And so.

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Speaker 1: Now there are they just they formed that union to

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Speaker 1: become you know, I love to say it's U S.

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Speaker 1: Air Force, U S. Army, US Marines, you know, US Navy,

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Speaker 1: the US brings it together, right, it doesn't matter anything else.

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Speaker 1: It's the US first. And so these guys here, what

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Speaker 1: you serve.

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Speaker 3: If you serve you right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly take it, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: About what the what men and women are doing out there,

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Speaker 3: and they are fighting.

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Speaker 4: We take for granted, for granted, So that's another awareness

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Speaker 4: awareness you know, we need to bring in to bring

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Speaker 4: into Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And and and we we do take it for granted

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Speaker 1: as our freedoms, as us citizens of this great nation

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Speaker 1: that we live in, you know. And and they want

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Speaker 1: us to because that's the freedom that they want us

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Speaker 1: to have. They want us to take advantage of being

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Speaker 1: our own bosses and praying to who we want to pray,

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Speaker 1: and and just freedom of choice of who we want

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Speaker 1: to be and everything out there. And so I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're going to live up to that to them, right,

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Speaker 1: we should just keep it u s people, that's right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: make check payable to overdraft fees. So distribution, Okay, if

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Speaker 1: you're out there and you happen to have uh you know,

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Speaker 1: a channel into a distribution or somebody in the industry

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Speaker 1: that could uh you know, help Abby get that put

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Speaker 1: into production or out there, then so free to reach

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Speaker 1: out either to me or through Instagram. Do you have

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Speaker 1: an Instagram where someone can reach you or any type

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Speaker 1: of social media?

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Speaker 3: I do im Okay, I'm on LinkedIn under my name.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so LinkedIn would be a good one, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 1: Always ab fab All right, Well, don't be some rise

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Speaker 1: if you see rad Rock and following you. Okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: and I think that I'm going to say thank you

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Speaker 1: for being on the show today and I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoy the fireplace and you know, and the conversation that

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Speaker 1: we've had this afternoon. I'm discussing your father and the

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Speaker 1: proud feats that he accomplished and his men stood beside

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Speaker 1: him as they did their missions, you know, Unwaverly, I

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Speaker 1: just want to say the best stoically, you know, just

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Speaker 1: with the most fortitude and just like we got this

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Speaker 1: and you know, and much love to you and your

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Speaker 1: family on this day. So and to all the other

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Speaker 1: families that lost their families. Yes for sure, yes, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much much, Yes, no problem. Now with that said,

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Speaker 1: on behalf of myself and Brandon Webb who owns the

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Speaker 1: company I got to shot him out, and my producer

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Speaker 1: Callum out of London, and of course me for being me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for listening and joining

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Speaker 1: our shows and our podcast and if you have a

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Speaker 1: guest or you feel like you should be a guest,

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Speaker 1: it's that easy to reach out to us and we'll

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Speaker 1: go from there. Okay, So again on behalf of Abigail

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Speaker 1: Barretto aka Abby and my self rad I say Peace.

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Speaker 2: You've been listening to Self Red, Ladia