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Speaker 1: Well, well, well, we're back again for episode one, and

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Speaker 1: we've got a very special episode in store for you

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Speaker 1: today as we continue getting ready for the upcoming season

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Speaker 1: with a former long term NBA assistant and head coach,

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Speaker 1: currently the head coach of USC's men's basketball team, Eric Musselman,

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Speaker 1: on today's episode.

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Speaker 2: Hey, look, this is the top tier show.

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Speaker 3: What wait, it's what we do. It's what we do,

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Speaker 3: got Eric?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okayim, he's here now, Okay for in a moment,

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Speaker 1: but let me introduce myself.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 4: I'm Jack O'Brien and this is my Boosties do Sorry,

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Speaker 4: got it? Looka don chic his Okay?

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Speaker 3: Here you gob driving spinty fat number night Gene.

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Speaker 5: That's good.

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Speaker 3: Secure.

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Speaker 5: Let's sell picture NBA champions over the double team.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with the time, Eric Musselman, coach muss,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Even though I am a former

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Speaker 1: Bruin at heart, I welcome you as the USC men's

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Speaker 1: basketball coach to our illustrious show. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. I mean, look, you've we were saying

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Speaker 1: like before you actually got on. I'm like, I think

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Speaker 1: this guy has probably seen the game from almost every

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Speaker 1: conceivable angle in terms of coaching and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: So it's really great to have you here so we

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Speaker 2: can pick your brain a bit.

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Speaker 6: Now, Thanks Miles, I appreciate you and and jack having

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Speaker 6: me on today.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely So. We have so

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Speaker 1: many questions. We don't even know where to start. Which

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Speaker 1: way should we go? Jackson's to us since we are

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Speaker 1: the hosts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you you recently told a story about

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Speaker 3: working with Jerry West that was pretty interesting to us.

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Speaker 3: Get to sort of just the level of skill, the

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Speaker 3: level of intensity that I feel like you only see

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes. Can you talk about just your experience

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Speaker 3: with with Jerry West just to give people a little

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Speaker 3: taste of like what kind of you've seen it all?

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Speaker 3: It's Blade Runner.

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Speaker 6: There's so many stories. You know, working at Memphis, the

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Speaker 6: head coach was Mike Urtello, I was one of the

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Speaker 6: assistant coaches. Obviously, Jerry West was the general manager. And

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Speaker 6: you know, I like in the draft room, Uh, the

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Speaker 6: most competitive person I've ever been around. And you know

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Speaker 6: there was a game where Kenyan Martin was not blocked

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Speaker 6: out by one of our bigs and UH, and Jerry

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Speaker 6: West came in after the game.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 6: In the locker room, uh, and addressed the non blockout

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Speaker 6: situation I've ever seen. Can't really use a lot of

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Speaker 6: the words that were used in that locker room that

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Speaker 6: night on not blocking out Kenyan Martin, But I mean

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Speaker 6: there were so many stories that you know. One of

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Speaker 6: them I was I was rebounding or working out whatever

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Speaker 6: phone rang at the Scorge table. It was like a

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Speaker 6: Scott Adebata was one of the assistants, and he said,

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Speaker 6: must go answer that phone. It's probably Jerry West. And

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Speaker 6: I had just joined the team, because remember that was

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Speaker 6: the year that for Tello, I took over you for

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Speaker 6: Huby Brown once the season was already underway and the

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Speaker 6: only coaching changes were for Tello and then myself. And

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Speaker 6: what had happened is Jerry was watching the workout that

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Speaker 6: I was putting Dante Jones through and didn't agree with

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Speaker 6: He wanted to know who the first players on the

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Speaker 6: just one example of his attention to detail and then

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's the logo and he's there, first executive

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Speaker 6: super super detail and about as competitive as any human

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Speaker 3: How is his competitiveness And in the draft room, specifically

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think all those Kobe stories I

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Speaker 7: I know that.

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Speaker 6: You know, the year that I was with him, he

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Speaker 6: And you know, that was evaluating a high school player,

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Speaker 6: and we just were we drafted that year. It was

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Speaker 6: But he had his eye on uh Gerald Green uh

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Speaker 6: which ended up that year being Hakeem Warwick. But he

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Speaker 6: was he was so right on with his evaluation of

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I get that.

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Speaker 3: I I sometimes get frustrated when I got my eye

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Speaker 3: a couple of picks before me. So basically the same thing.

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Speaker 6: We were on the clock, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: It's like, hey man, we're down to nine minutes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to make a pick, and it's he's

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was between an NC State guard that Denver

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Speaker 6: took and Warwick and and we're trying to make this decision.

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Speaker 6: And then Jerry came in about a minute and a

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Speaker 3: There you go. Was it hard to argue with him

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Speaker 3: when he when you're taking a call from him, I'm

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Speaker 3: assuming he's being very diplomatic about telling you what you

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Speaker 3: just being like taking your feelings into consideration, But you

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Speaker 3: did you have a moment where you look down and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, the.

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Speaker 6: First encounter with with with Jerry West was, uh, we

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Speaker 6: had made a trade in Golden State going into my

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Speaker 6: probably knowing they were going to fire me, and they

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Speaker 6: were going to fire the general manager, Gary Saint Jean

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Speaker 6: a trade was made and Jerry called me and said

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Speaker 6: you're gonna get fired time in the next twelve months

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Speaker 6: based on the way the roster was moving, and he

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Speaker 6: was one thousand percent right. That was literally the first

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Speaker 3: Hey, man's up, you get fired, coach, and let me

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Speaker 3: start the clock real quick.

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Speaker 2: There's the countdown.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. She hit my phone and said, hey, Jerry West

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Speaker 6: is on. At that point, I was like thirty seven

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Speaker 3: He was he just doing that to talk trash or

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Speaker 3: looking for the next job, or what was his purpose

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Speaker 6: I'm not really sure, you know, Jerry mysterious way. I don't.

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Speaker 6: I'm not really sure what was when he when he

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Speaker 6: made the hire of of coach for Tello. I was,

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Speaker 6: you know, I got a phone call right after he

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Speaker 6: and you know, he was the one guy that I

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like in terms of, like I identifying talent

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Speaker 1: and stuff. I know you've seen a lot of players

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Speaker 1: them and what their careers could be. I mean I've

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Speaker 1: heard that, like, you know, when you were in Orlando

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Speaker 1: but sort of described like for you, like what those

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Speaker 1: sort of trying to get your gears going and you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I see the weaknesses here, these are the strengths in

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Speaker 1: the past. Nope, this will be good in a couple

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Speaker 1: of years, or you know what, how does that? How

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Speaker 1: does that work in your mind, especially after you know,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, my role kind of in

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Speaker 1: back three like anymore now, And sure, that's one thing

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Speaker 1: we're talking about, But to say that they couldn't last,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they would adapt if that's

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Speaker 1: how the game is being played. I guess two parts.

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Speaker 1: Do you just look at that as like sort of

444
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Speaker 1: like the hubris and confidence of a young player like

445
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Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards, like obviously he's starting off acknowledging his ignorance there,

446
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Speaker 1: but also as someone who has coached young young people

447
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Speaker 1: who are getting in the game, how much emphasis do

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Speaker 1: you put on people understanding the foundations of the game

449
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Speaker 1: and how the game has been played, or do you

450
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Speaker 1: kind of think it's not as relevant to how we're

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Speaker 1: playing now.

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Speaker 6: Well, to answer the second part, I think for sure

453
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Speaker 6: it's relevant. I think that young players should watch Magic

454
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Speaker 6: Johnson and see his vision, see his willingness to be

455
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Speaker 6: a passer, see his willingness to make teammates better. I mean,

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Speaker 6: he's probably one of the greatest teammates, maybe the greatest

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Speaker 6: teammate ever, because I mean you saw in that Philadelphia

458
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Speaker 6: series when Kareem couldn't play and Magic went and played

459
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Speaker 6: the five spot and was shooting hook shots. I mean,

460
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Speaker 6: how many guys could ever play the one in the

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Speaker 6: five in the same championship round. It just doesn't happen.

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Speaker 6: But he could do it. He's probably the only player

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Speaker 6: in the history of the game that could play the

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Speaker 6: one one night and then go play the five and

465
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Speaker 6: be equally effective. But I do think there's some brilliance

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Speaker 6: in Anthony Edwards too, Like he must watch TV in

467
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Speaker 6: an interview because you never know what he's gonna say. Sure, yeah,

468
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Speaker 6: And so there is beauty in the fact that he

469
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Speaker 6: can bring attention with some of his you know comments

470
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Speaker 6: and you know, cause discussion points. But look, when I

471
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Speaker 6: look back at game planning, you know, when you had

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Speaker 6: the game plan for Charles Barkley. That's about as heart

473
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Speaker 6: a guy as ever. The game plan. Yeah, mid post

474
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Speaker 6: draw fouls, six foot four, but built like a linebacker,

475
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Speaker 6: like could draw a rethrow attempt as well as anybody

476
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Speaker 6: in today's game. So I think that all the young

477
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Speaker 6: player should really sit down. There should almost be like

478
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Speaker 6: a history class, right for every college player where they

479
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Speaker 6: take a class, you know, once a week for an

480
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Speaker 6: hour where you go back and you look at, you know,

481
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Speaker 6: how did Carl Malone improve as a free throw shooter?

482
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Speaker 6: Like that thing is that story on his free throw

483
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 6: percentage increase is a phenomenal story. So I think that

484
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Speaker 6: you got to know the history of the game because

485
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Speaker 6: I think it's it's the only way to learn. It's

486
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Speaker 6: the only way to to try to get you know,

487
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Speaker 6: little nuggets that can help you improve as well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, part of I think aunts appeal also is

489
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Speaker 3: that he brings a sort of new to this earth

490
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Speaker 3: point of view, Like that one interview where you like

491
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: heard an Irish accent for the first time, it was like, oh, that's.

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Speaker 2: Kind of cool. Yeah, like that kind of like that

493
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Speaker 2: so from Iron, Yeah, So that's.

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Speaker 3: What that His description of NBA history seemed like to me.

495
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Speaker 3: Is like someone who just found out about that there

496
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Speaker 3: wasn't an NBA in the eighties and nineties and.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just Michael Jordan playing himself the whole time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like, huh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I saw the documentary Space Jam and I was intrigued,

501
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Speaker 1: so I wanted to learn more after that. But yeah,

502
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Speaker 1: but I mean I think that's kind of like what

503
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Speaker 1: makes the comment obviously not like feel like too antagonistic

504
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Speaker 1: or anything, because he does start off, admittedly just saying like, hey,

505
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Speaker 1: I didn't watch, so I can't so what I'm about

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Speaker 1: to say, don't bother.

507
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Speaker 2: Taking it seriously because the world were text.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just funny even to do that, like

509
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Speaker 1: you say, and then still give the answer and then

510
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: everyone's like it comes out with their pitchforks. But like,

511
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Speaker 1: as you talk about history for you, we've been talking

512
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Speaker 1: about sort of some older players that you know, we

513
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Speaker 1: have like listeners that span many generations in terms of fandom.

514
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Speaker 1: A lot of younger fans, you know, some like to

515
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Speaker 1: get into highlights and look at old tape and see

516
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Speaker 1: how like the players of Yesterdyear played, But who are

517
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Speaker 1: like some people that you feel like you would you

518
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Speaker 1: would emphasize to your players, who are you kind of.

519
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Speaker 2: Like does everybody know about this player?

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Speaker 1: Does everybody know about this person's game or the evolution

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Speaker 1: they had with their game? Like who are some people

522
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Speaker 1: like that? Do you feel as somebody who's leading younger players?

523
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Speaker 1: Like who are those sort of important players that you'd

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Speaker 1: want them to be familiar with?

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Speaker 6: I mean I think when I, you know, you look

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Speaker 6: at the point guard screening of John Stockton, like you know,

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Speaker 6: I think point guards need to look at a tape

528
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Speaker 6: of John Stockton and see how physical he was at

529
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Speaker 6: setting screens. Obviously we all know about the assist with Stockton,

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Speaker 6: you know. I think when you look at off guards,

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Speaker 6: you could think about like Rip Hamilton running off of

532
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Speaker 6: screens and the pace that he used to come off

533
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Speaker 6: as screens. I think, you know, when you when you

534
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Speaker 6: think about small forwards like Dominic Wilkins, everybody talks about

535
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Speaker 6: the human highlight reel, but in reality, guys like Dominic Wilkins,

536
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Speaker 6: Bernard King, those guys were great small forward rebounders. You know, Yeah,

537
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 6: you could rebound your position and then you had a

538
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Speaker 6: small forward like those guys that could arrange rebound rebound

539
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Speaker 6: outside their area. So I think there's a you know,

540
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Speaker 6: Carl Malone's pick and roll game, understanding when to roll,

541
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Speaker 6: understanding when to pop, understanding how to draw fouls at

542
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Speaker 6: that power forward spot. And then certainly, you know, if

543
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Speaker 6: you're a big guy, you know, if you watch Bill

544
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Speaker 6: Walton's passing and his vision and his full court passing,

545
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Speaker 6: or Wes Unsell and his outlet passing, or even his

546
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Speaker 6: inbound passes after a made basket, and then you know,

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Speaker 6: I'm surprised that more guys that are six ten, six

548
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 6: eleven seven foot have not tried to, you know, emulate

549
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Speaker 6: Kareem Abdul Jabbar with this hookshot. So I think there's

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Speaker 6: a lot of guys that's just off the top of

551
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Speaker 6: my head. If you're a if you're a player that's

552
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Speaker 6: being moved to the point guard position, you have size,

553
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Speaker 6: certainly you should watch the way that Magic Johnson would

554
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Speaker 6: get his team into offense where he might have to

555
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Speaker 6: play with his back to his rim because of his size,

556
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Speaker 6: but he could look over his shoulder and find people.

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Speaker 6: I know that you know, we did that with Cody

558
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Speaker 6: Martin a little bit where where where we've tried to

559
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Speaker 6: convert him from a four to a point guard and

560
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Speaker 6: Magic Johnson clips were something that we felt were important.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's cool, all right, coach, let's take one more break.

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Speaker 3: We'll come back, and you are in for the rapid

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Speaker 3: fire round of questions, the fastest question answer segment in

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Speaker 3: the history of this podcast. So we'll take a quick break.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back, getting your triple threat position, because

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be yeah.

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Speaker 5: Deny, deny, den't I deny, and we're back.

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Speaker 2: We're back.

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Speaker 6: Us.

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Speaker 1: You know they're gonna say, I'm really enjoying this because

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Speaker 1: you're the head coach of SC men's basketball. But really,

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Speaker 1: the hot seat is for everyone. It doesn't discriminate, and

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Speaker 1: it's hot for everybody. This is the fastest question answer

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Speaker 1: segment off podcasting history, at least on this podcast history.

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Speaker 2: Where we're gonna ask you a question. Just just take

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Speaker 2: us quick second to think about it. Just chest pass

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Speaker 2: it right back, fire right back.

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Speaker 1: Don't give too long of an answer, because we want

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Speaker 1: to keep our title of the fastest question and answer

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Speaker 1: segment off podcasting history. And if you take too long,

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Speaker 1: we will be rude to you. And I just want

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Speaker 1: to warn you that that that's just that's the caveat

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Speaker 1: I want to enter with. So there's no hurt feelings

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Speaker 1: or surprises because we take our superlative title very seriously.

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Speaker 3: That we gave ourselves.

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Speaker 1: That we gave ourselves. Obviously there's an asterisk by that,

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Speaker 1: but don't read the fine print.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Jackie ready? Yeah, coach mus you ready?

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Speaker 6: Yep? Let's do it, all right, ran start the clock.

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Speaker 2: This is the fastest segment of all time. Should should we?

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Speaker 2: Who's going to go first? You should? I could go first?

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Speaker 3: I think first one? All right, go Chris Thomas h

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Speaker 3: Are you familiar with the concept of nominative determinism, where

594
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Speaker 3: a person's name determines what they do for a living,

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Speaker 3: Examples being Hussein Bolt becoming a sprinter. Doug Bowser is

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Speaker 3: the name of the person who is the head of

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Speaker 3: Nintendo America, or somebody who works in a gym and

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Speaker 3: in sports with the last name muscleman. Has that ever

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Speaker 3: come up?

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Speaker 6: That has never come up?

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Speaker 3: Okay, No, we just made history.

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Speaker 2: Been your life?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's history?

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Speaker 2: All right? Okay.

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Speaker 3: I mean you're kind of shredded and you've got dumbbells

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Speaker 3: on your shirt right there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. In the gym.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw you in Nevada. I saw that clip

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Speaker 1: of you on a on a treadmill highlighting while running.

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Speaker 3: I was like this, Yeah, how do you do that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I still do it. I go six miles every

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Speaker 6: day with the highlighter and print articles before I leave

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Speaker 6: for work, and then highlight them the next morning, and

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Speaker 6: then the staff all gets the cliff notes of leadership articles,

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Speaker 6: coaching articles. I do it every day.

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Speaker 2: Oh amazing.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you're hertridges running through a moment. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're regular at Staples, aren't you.

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Speaker 2: Coach bus is back just load up his toner.

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Speaker 6: The Atlanta Hawks stan cast and actually called me into

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Speaker 6: the office and told me stop printing and if I

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Speaker 6: printed a article that was in color, I had to

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Speaker 6: use black and white. That was Lanta Hawk's president at

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Speaker 6: the time.

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Speaker 2: Wow wow, wow wow.

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Speaker 1: Now the president of the Dodgers. Uh yeah, what a guy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: next question. This is something we've been talking. We've been

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Speaker 1: talking about.

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Speaker 2: Players of yesteryear.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just curious, even though we wrapped up our

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Speaker 1: nineties nostalgia series, we want to play a game of

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Speaker 1: would he be even better now in this era? And

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Speaker 1: I'll give you three players, and you kind of give

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Speaker 1: me your thoughts if, if if they ended up in

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Speaker 1: our current era.

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Speaker 2: Amari Stodemeyer, Andre Kirolinko and lamar Odom.

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Speaker 1: How do you see what you look at those two players,

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Speaker 1: who do you feel would really thrive in our current era?

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Speaker 6: Lamar odhim, I think he was one of the first

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Speaker 6: positionless players, a guy that could play three, four to

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Speaker 6: two if need be, could play a little bit of

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Speaker 6: point forward. So I would say, Odim, that's pretty easy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Wow, I agreement that was the right answer. That

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Speaker 2: was the right answer.

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Speaker 3: That was but I you didn't need to make fun

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Speaker 3: of us for how easy it was. All Right, that's

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Speaker 3: the easiest question I've ever been asked. That's actually I

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Speaker 3: answered that with my eyes closed. Do you is there

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Speaker 3: a player other than those three that sticks in your mind?

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Speaker 3: Like you mentioned Barkley being really hard to game plan four,

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Speaker 3: But is there a player that you're like, God, if

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Speaker 3: he had come along twenty years later, he would have

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Speaker 3: been incredible.

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Speaker 6: Doctor J. Yeah, he was just like he could play

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Speaker 6: in any era. And I think about social media now

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Speaker 6: and how every highlight gets exemplified and put out. The

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Speaker 3: That his name was doctor j It's pretty cool. The

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Speaker 1: I remember as a kid, I thought he was an

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Speaker 1: But then he became a doctor And my dad was

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Speaker 1: like he had just never told me. He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: H And I'm impressive.

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Speaker 2: I embarrassed myself in fifth grade. Pretty bad, coach Musk.

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Speaker 1: From your perspective, you know, looking at this upcoming NBA season,

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Speaker 1: who do you see as kind of like a dark

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Speaker 2: A team that I think, you know is going to

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Speaker 6: You know, we're so I'm so immersed in the in

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Speaker 6: if they remain healthy, if their coach can remain healthy.

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Speaker 3: As well, Uh, I get taken out.

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Speaker 6: I like what Minnesota has, you know, with the size

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Speaker 6: And and you know for me, I you know, I

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Speaker 6: really really good stuff. So that's a team that I

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Speaker 6: that that I love to watch, another really good young

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Speaker 6: of our Arkansas guys. So you know, I'm a big

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Speaker 3: Wow, word for word again, you got it exactly right.

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Speaker 3: The answer is looking at our note, I think he

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Speaker 3: We'll coach Muscleman. What a pleasure having you on Miles

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Speaker 3: and Jack got mad Booth. Yes, uh, congratulations and looking

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Speaker 3: forward to seeing what the what the Trojans do this

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Speaker 3: year here in southern California. Where can people find you?

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Speaker 3: Follow you? You know all of that stuff?

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Speaker 6: Yeah on Twitter, it's just DP Muscleman and we're pretty

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Speaker 6: active on social media. I know it's a little bit

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Speaker 6: outside of the way I was raised with, you know,

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Speaker 6: coming much like you did, Jack, when you know, your

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Speaker 6: dad was pretty old school, so was my dad, but

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Speaker 6: you got to change with the times, and so I'm

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Speaker 6: pretty active on social media, at least I try to

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Speaker 6: be for recruiting. But hey, it's been great joining you guys.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate it. Jack, Miles, thanks so much for.

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Speaker 2: Having me on Oh yeah, thanks man.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, you can follow us at the hashtag

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Speaker 1: mad boost He's beat A S t i e Y

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Speaker 1: for show links and updates, and you can join the

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Speaker 1: conversation on our discord server, and you can follow me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Miles of Great.

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Speaker 3: I'm at Jack Underscore O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: And that was another splendid edition of Miles and Jack

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Speaker 1: dot Mad Boosties with Coach where Musselman thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us again and we'll see you next week.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye,