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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: defense attorney Jason Oceans who practices law in every courtroom

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Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum, crime scene expert. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the State

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Speaker 1: you know, Gallagher, when you got a claw foot hammer

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Speaker 1: Amanna tell me about their burglar alarm. I'm very curious,

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Speaker 1: why did it not go off? Yeah, That's one of

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Speaker 1: the first things that I really remember when we listened

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Speaker 1: to the police investigative interviews was that was the interview

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Speaker 1: with the husband, Mark's mother, Teresa's mother in law. She

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Speaker 1: was over there to let the dogs out and attend

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Speaker 1: to the house while they were away at this family

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Speaker 1: trip in Connecticut, and the morning of she was having

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Speaker 1: some trouble with the alarm and Mark tells her, don't

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Speaker 1: worry about it, it's okay, and she's, you know, crying

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Speaker 1: to police, saying, I feel like it's all my fault. I,

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Speaker 1: you know, couldn't get the alarm reset and I'm having

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Speaker 1: trouble with it, and oh my goodness, is it my

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Speaker 1: fault that someone went in there and got terset. No.

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Speaker 1: I'm riding a book right now, Cheryl McCollum, and one

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Speaker 1: of the chapters, Don't Be a Victim, one of the

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Speaker 1: chapters just safe at Home and in it and I've

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Speaker 1: learned a lot of tips I didn't know researching, but

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Speaker 1: one of the tips I do know. And now it's

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Speaker 1: second habit when I'm home, especially when I'm home with

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Speaker 1: the twins and my mom, my eighty eight year old mom,

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Speaker 1: and for instance, David's out of town, of David is

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Speaker 1: in town, I have that alarm on when we are home.

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Speaker 1: That's when I want the house protected the most, to

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Speaker 1: protect the twins. That's a great point, Nancy, because most

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Speaker 1: people turn the alarm off when they get home and

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Speaker 1: leave it. All That is a brilliant thing to mention

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Speaker 1: for your audience, and it's so elementary, so elementary. To

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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher joining me, the medical examiner for the

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Speaker 1: State of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, I've been analyzing her wounds

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Speaker 1: and it looks like I'm not sure about this, but

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Speaker 1: she had a very very severe blow to the back

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Speaker 1: of the head. Yet it looks as if she put

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Speaker 1: up a fight. If you get that kind of blow

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Speaker 1: to the back of the head, I mean, how did

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Speaker 1: this thing go down, doctor Gallagher? Well, difficult to say

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Speaker 1: what the force of the first strike was. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she may have been running from her attacker thereby when

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Speaker 1: he hit her. You know, she didn't get the full

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Speaker 1: impact of the blow and was able to fight back

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Speaker 1: to some extent. So that would be my first clue.

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Speaker 1: So I would have to see where the blood trails go.

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Speaker 1: If there's blood in several of the rooms rather than

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Speaker 1: just in one area, so that would indicate that she

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Speaker 1: was fleeing her attacker and not receiving the full impact

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Speaker 1: of the hammer. Oh no, say you explain that so clearly,

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Speaker 1: because I couldn't understand. You get a blow to the

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Speaker 1: back of the head with a hammer, it's over right then,

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Speaker 1: and there ain't there you fall in your tracks. But

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Speaker 1: yet Cheryl mccollin the crime scene suggests there was a fight.

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Speaker 1: I mean she put up a fight, Cheryl way in

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Speaker 1: on the crime scene, that's your expertise. It is so violent, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Not only does it appear that she did fight, the

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Speaker 1: level of violence. What its fascinating to me is again

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Speaker 1: she was not textually faulted. It doesn't appear anything is

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Speaker 1: missing from the home of value. So this looks like

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Speaker 1: pure rage. It looked like they went to kill her.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace it Dawn, I mean, you go,

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Speaker 1: holy crap, I'm being watched. And then the time have

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Speaker 1: walked in and he asked me point blank, did you

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Speaker 1: have a sexual relationship with doctor outside you office. Never

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Speaker 1: had a relationship with her outside of work or that

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Speaker 1: doctor Severs ever. Come on, he goes, did you have

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Speaker 1: a sexual relation with doctor inside do you office? I

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Speaker 1: said absolutely not. Police were suspicious because Frank had been

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Speaker 1: let go from his job at doctor Severs practice by

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Speaker 1: her husband Mark nine months before she was murdered. That's

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Speaker 1: Aaron Moriority over at forty eight hours digging into this

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Speaker 1: case as well, Amanda hall w I and KTV Fort Myers.

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Speaker 1: You didn't mention anything about this guy Frank pay Us

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Speaker 1: because is there a chance he was having a sexual

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Speaker 1: relationship with doctor Severs and the husband, Mark Severs gets

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Speaker 1: mad and fires him. Well, you know in that same

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Speaker 1: journal on the cell phone, you know, Mark talks about

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Speaker 1: losing trust in her and thinking that she either had

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Speaker 1: or wanted to cheat on him. So I think that

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Speaker 1: was that was a Mark thing. That wasn't a you know,

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Speaker 1: a police theory or an investigative theory. I think that

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Speaker 1: that just added to, you know, the jealousy and the

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Speaker 1: torment that that Mark's writing about, you know, in this

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Speaker 1: cell phone journey. I just don't get the jealousy, the torment.

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Speaker 1: Jason Ocean's newer defense attorney. What's he got to be

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Speaker 1: tormented about? I mean again, he is riding the gravy train.

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Speaker 1: What's his problem? Maffy. I just need to go back

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Speaker 1: a little bit to where we were in terms of

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Speaker 1: the facts. I mean, he was managing the office. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't just mister mom. Uh. He allowed her to

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Speaker 1: advance in her career and having a career of his own.

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Speaker 1: That's how they well what hey allowed her? What did

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Speaker 1: you just actually say? You did say aloud? I heard

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Speaker 1: you heard you that allowed like scattle, but afforded a

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Speaker 1: better I'm telling your wife, I'm telling your why. Don't

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Speaker 1: think I won't do what I have her sale number,

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Speaker 1: afforded the opportunity to uh uh explore the holistic career

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Speaker 1: that she had always wanted. So that office was getting

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Speaker 1: managed decisions in the office a roll. He was the

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Speaker 1: office manager of what was seemingly a busy and active practice.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that the term mister mom is negative

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Speaker 1: at all, certainly not to me. But he was also professional.

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Speaker 1: Well you're the one that said just mister mom. No, no,

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Speaker 1: he said that to Jason, you need another cup of coffee.

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Speaker 1: Throughout the mister mom. Uh, And she didn't say just

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Speaker 1: mister men who were a nurse. I did not. I

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Speaker 1: would never use the phrase mister mom because I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you roll back that transcript. We're gonna get that transcript.

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Speaker 1: Someone said, mister mom, were sharing all right? Done? There

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Speaker 1: is so. I mean, this guy in office perceived problems.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Amanda hall w I and KTV Fort Myers,

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Speaker 1: you're all over this case. What what's he got to

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Speaker 1: complain about? Do you know something I don't know, Amanda.

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Speaker 1: You know everybody that we've talked to who were patients

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Speaker 1: of hers. I mean, this is a woman that someone

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Speaker 1: describes and these are the words she used as the

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Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey of Florida among people who were seeking this

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Speaker 1: kind of holistic alternative treatment. You know, Teresa is the star.

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Speaker 1: These patients also told us about times where they could

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Speaker 1: hear her letting him have it, yelling at him up

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Speaker 1: and down in another room. But where it was, you know,

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Speaker 1: flooding the entire lobby and the exam rooms of the office.

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Speaker 1: They could hear her hollering at him. Well, I would

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Speaker 1: holler too. I found out my husband had a digital

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Speaker 1: sex calendar. But okay, that aside in the midst of

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Speaker 1: all this. In addition to the guy that gets fired

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Speaker 1: that gets dragged in by police. In addition to who

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Speaker 1: whatever nut may have seen her on TV, another name

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Speaker 1: emerges in her police interview. Doctor Seb's sister, Annie Lisa,

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Speaker 1: said she heard Sandra Hoskins was a disgruntled employee. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, they think I did it. Sandra, who

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Speaker 1: claims she had been treated harshly by doctor Severs in

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Speaker 1: the past, had planned to hand in her resignation that

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Speaker 1: very Monday, the doctor was found dead. According to Sandra,

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Speaker 1: the doctor told her she was bringing bad energy to

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Speaker 1: the office. Why would anyone think that you did this?

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Speaker 1: A lot of the patients didn't know the way she

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Speaker 1: treated me, and so people thought maybe you just had enough.

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Speaker 1: Anne crept into her home and hit her in the

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Speaker 1: head with a clawhead hammer. I don't see it, because

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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, a medical examiner for the State of Florida,

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Speaker 1: I'm not stereotyping. I am analyzing the facts. That is

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Speaker 1: typically a male crime, that type of violence. That's very

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Speaker 1: rare for a woman to commit. This type of a murderer.

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Speaker 1: I've had several of these exact same types of scenes

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Speaker 1: before where a woman was attacked with a hammer, and

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Speaker 1: every time, uh, the suspect was brought to justice it

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Speaker 1: was a male. So I don't have any evidence to

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Speaker 1: support that a female does these types of things and

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Speaker 1: all the events I need to support that is definitely

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Speaker 1: a male dominated crime. You know, Amanda Hall w I

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Speaker 1: and KTV Fort Myers, we're talking about why the husband

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Speaker 1: wines all the time. But let me just throw in

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Speaker 1: a little a little bobshell here, a little grenade in

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Speaker 1: the works. Were they swingers at Nancy? That that is

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Speaker 1: something that h that has been that's been said of them,

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Speaker 1: that they had an open marriage um and that they

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Speaker 1: had partners outside of each other. Yes, guys, stay with

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Speaker 1: us tomorrow Part two in the Mystery of the Murderer

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Speaker 1: of doctor Teresa Sievers Nancy Grace crime Story signing off

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,