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Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. Listening to podcast,

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Speaker 1: you can't predict anything. Many people know Joannice as the

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Speaker 1: Labbyan Hunter, others known as the Labvian Eagle, the Labban

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Speaker 1: lover um. What people don't know is that Joannice wears

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Speaker 1: a special Latvian power ring. It's a somewhat lady like

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Speaker 1: braided silver ring and uh it's called a nams the ring.

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Speaker 1: Yannest paying absolutely no attention to what we're talking about

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Speaker 1: right now, just do my job. Here. Where's the special

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Speaker 1: Lavian decorative power ring on his right hand? Now his

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Speaker 1: father is here, and I would like his father also

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Speaker 1: named be honest, All Lavians are named, be honest. I

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Speaker 1: would like his father to explain to us all once

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Speaker 1: and for all, why uh why you fellas where Latvian

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Speaker 1: power rings? Okay, well, first, I'm not sure that where

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Speaker 1: the power of thing came from, because well because one

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Speaker 1: day I was making a joke like you know, you

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Speaker 1: know that genre of jokes that go like your ma, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I I got into those for a while and and

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Speaker 1: and I like to do it to Yanni because he's

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Speaker 1: the only guy knew that Cared got it. So if

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Speaker 1: you did a your ma if he's like, hey your ma, um,

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Speaker 1: he would actually act like you were talking about his mom. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And he said, the next time you do that, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna see a blinding flash of silver and as my,

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Speaker 1: as my namies makes contact with your face. So then

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Speaker 1: I started we started calling or I did, maybe the

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Speaker 1: Latvian power ring. So just we'll just call it anomies.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like if you said to Joe Blow

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Speaker 1: What if you said to them you're wearing a Lavian

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Speaker 1: It could be depends on where they're from. I don't

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Speaker 1: have the answer to that. So it's not a Latvian

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Speaker 1: power ring. It's just a ring. And now Mason, it

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Speaker 1: has a definite braiding to it. There's actually more than

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Speaker 1: a it's a I think, a beautiful ring, and it's

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Speaker 1: something that Latvian men wear with a lot of pride.

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Speaker 1: But but you pointed out to me this week that

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Speaker 1: while hunting moose that you owned four, but stopped wearing anomies.

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Speaker 1: I have three and then and they're broken because I

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Speaker 1: got my finger caught in the wrong place. And they're better.

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Speaker 1: You know, some are better than others. So yeah, they

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Speaker 1: break somewhat easily. So tell us, tell us all the story.

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Speaker 1: I want to warrant it. This has absolutely nothing to

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Speaker 1: Which story, the one where I got my finger caught?

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Speaker 1: Why uh, why Latvians wear as rings? How that? How

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Speaker 1: that tradition came to be? I have no idea. Well,

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Speaker 1: I know you telling me something I already know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you tell them. Maybe I don't know more than I

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Speaker 1: about it. I told you the other day, I told

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Speaker 1: you the story to check it with you. I don't recall.

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Speaker 1: I can tell this, I know it. You should, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know as well as anybody. Okay. Now, Lab's a

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Speaker 1: small country in Europe. Once upon a time they had

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Speaker 1: And someone must have said to him, well, how are

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Speaker 1: scheme by which all Lavan men will go out and

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Speaker 1: mission would be that you take moderate Jews or secular

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Speaker 1: So uh, he said, here's what you have to do.

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Speaker 1: That's the only way to do it. Anyways, what I'm

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Speaker 1: So there's a story in the Old Testament where you

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Speaker 1: they didn't want people eat bad food. Right, No, nope, nope, nope, no,

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Speaker 1: God didn't say don't eat pork because I'm concerned about

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Speaker 1: tricking nosis. It's not your business to even understand why

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Speaker 1: Don't eat pork. Don't rationalize this and guess my motives.

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Speaker 1: My motives are unknown to you. But that's a little

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Speaker 1: different than the ring. Just reminds me that, Okay, sure,

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Speaker 1: one person's life, to make it so is now dead.

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Speaker 1: Oh for many centuries, so many people still wear the

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Speaker 1: ring though, Rip a cow, call ladies and gentlemen, Oh ladies, gentes.

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Speaker 1: Brody Henderson, you don't you don't think I can't figure

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Speaker 1: damn show. I don't understand why they just trickle your

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Speaker 1: way in. It's a natural progression from big swing fly

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Speaker 1: fishing guy rip call. I'll give him my best. Uh god, Rick, Oh,

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Speaker 1: you don't want me to do it? No, what'll come

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Speaker 1: to we'll do Rick last. This will be the second

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Speaker 1: ever cal call of corps ever ripped. Ah. That's pretty good,

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Speaker 1: like Yannis, but the end of Yannis gets weirdly human.

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Speaker 1: that this man called in the bull on the second day,

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Speaker 1: and I really do think it was. Now that right

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Speaker 1: there is the sound that right there is the sound

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Speaker 1: big bull. Thank you, yes, Rick oh Man, alright, I'll

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Speaker 1: do it. Oh that's good. Nice nice. I'm gonna rip

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Speaker 1: one out of my special horn. Uh where is my

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Speaker 1: special horn? Here's a factor, here's a factory produced rip. Oh,

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Speaker 1: brod you get my phone over the way, it's plugged in. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do the little time show. Buck Bolding's master

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Speaker 1: show Buck Bodes master call. This this is here first.

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Speaker 1: I I gonna do Buck Boding ripping one. Let me

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Speaker 1: a guy hit in the lask outfitters. This guy's called

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Speaker 1: Here's a factory produced cow call. So now I think

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Speaker 1: Everybody can kind of make that tone, but it's that

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Speaker 1: There's six mugs sitting here. Raise your hand, ye, raise

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Speaker 1: talking about this in that place I've learned. He says, well,

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Speaker 1: probably a sound that just really like you know, it's

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Speaker 1: I'm buy it like educated Elkwood or an educated Turkey

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Speaker 1: Alaska Range, say five miles hond we just flew out

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Speaker 1: and you're tell him, tell explain your big bull and

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Speaker 1: what happened and all that, particularly the part about how

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Speaker 1: you conjured it. Oh, well, I just visually. I've been

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Speaker 1: visualizing this for a year, though it doesn't happen overnight. Oh, conjuring.

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Speaker 1: something interesting. So we butchered the ball, which is no

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Speaker 1: I mean they're close encounters. And you you you had

422
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: manifested bulls up two parallel draws or I'll take credit

423
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: for the one. But it was mysterious. Do you remember

424
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: the way you met you su tell you everything about it.

425
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was a bit of manifesting in that. Okay, No,

426
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I never manifested that I would like

427
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: have a different girlfriend and then go to a business

428
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: meeting in New York and meet a gal who grew

429
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: up like an hour and forty five minutes from where

430
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: I grew up. And it wasn't my mind. But you

431
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: know what I did say this, I had already known

432
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: her but after me and my girlfriend, my last girlfriend

433
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: broke up. I said, at the end of that relationship,

434
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: I said, from now on, I am only dating Michigan

435
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: girls ever. Smart man have a wonderful Yeah, and I'm

436
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: sure if you looked at it more in detail you

437
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: would find more than just per chance. Corey, what do

438
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: you think about all this? No? I love this stuff.

439
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: It's right up my alley, you know, visualization and something

440
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: occurs that becomes the truth. We weren't we talking just

441
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: on the last shoot about like the difference between imagination

442
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: and a great idea. No, I think Corey and I

443
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: were were Maybe you were not the last year I'm sorry,

444
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: two shots ago in Nevada. Maybe it was Joe and

445
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: I were talking about this. We're talking about how the

446
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: fact is is that like the same thing happens in

447
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: your rain. Sometimes it works out like immediately, or something

448
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: resolves and people go, damn, that was a great idea.

449
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: If if there is no resolve, people could just say, oh,

450
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: they're just kind of imagining things, So that's his imagination.

451
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: You can kind of write it off in that way.

452
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? It doesn't. I feel like it's

453
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: the failures on my part. I just don't understand like

454
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: it's one of the same thing. It's just how it's perceived,

455
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: like your brain doing the same thing. So if you

456
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: see you're having like an an idea or something that

457
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: just happens in your brain, you okay, you're sitting there,

458
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: you have an idea, yeah, or I imagine something whatever

459
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: you want to call you that has like vanilla accents,

460
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: for instance, yes, okay, okay, and I go and make

461
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: it okay, and it just happens that accents is a

462
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: good thing. Doesn't sound good to me, but I come

463
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: back and you're like, damn, great idea oka, or you'd

464
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: be like, man, that guys just imagining things. When people

465
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: say it that way, just say you're imagining things, it

466
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: kind of puts it in this negative sort of connotation

467
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: where it's just like this wild, kind of like goofy

468
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: thing that really didn't make it much of anything. Where

469
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: when they say, man, great idea, all of a sudden,

470
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: it's like, put up on this pedestal. The same thing

471
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: happened I hear you're saying. But it's a difference because

472
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: you wouldn't say, like, let's say, I'm like, oh, world

473
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: peace right now? People say, imagine world peace. You can't

474
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: say I got an idea world peace, okay, because it's

475
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: exists at an imaginary level, because it's almost like a

476
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: hypothetical notion. That's it's kind of impossible. No one would

477
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: say imagine. You could say, like, imagine beer with nilla accents.

478
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: You could just be like, I'm gonna make beer with

479
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: vanilla accents. But you can't go and make world peace.

480
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: You have to imagine world peace, not world not world peas,

481
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: but world peace or world peas you can make. So

482
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: there is a big difference between an idea of something

483
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: and imagining something. Right. Well, this is the funny thing

484
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: people that this is introduced. I'm Rick Smith. Dangers like, yeah, okay,

485
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: tell you whatever happened last. But people with wildly unorthodox

486
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: views are often kind of put in the crackpot until

487
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: they actually do something that makes effects. Makes make some visionaries.

488
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: So most visionaries, once they have had their idea and

489
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: implemented it, you know, in retrospect, it's like, oh, that

490
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: guy was just like this budding genius. But at the

491
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: time when he was an actual budding genius, everybody thought

492
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: that guy is just a weirdo thinking about some idea

493
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: that nobody has thought about and imagining things. But some

494
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: of them were crackpots, like Hitler was a crack pot,

495
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: well or all, I mean crack pot. If you put

496
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: your idea into practice, might have some great effects, whether

497
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: they'd be negative or positive. If you had one, there'd

498
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: be a segment of the population they would talk about

499
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: him being like, you know, like true believers would say

500
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: that he was a visionary, right, you know. And you

501
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: know when Steve Jobs was cruising around, you know, at

502
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: Reed College attending classes for free, people were like, that

503
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: guy is a weirdo. He's not paying for class, he's

504
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: just sitting in. What is he doing with his life?

505
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: But once he was running a billion dollar empire, it's like, oh,

506
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: Steve Jobs the messiah freaking technology. I just read a

507
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: piece about the sculptor Michael Heiser, and he's one of

508
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: the earth movers, you know, the guys do like large

509
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: formation sculptures out on the earth and also welding steel

510
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: and making giant things that you can't put in new

511
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: museum now. And this piece is talking about like his

512
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: father was an archaeologist and he'd come from a ranch family,

513
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: and and it was talking about his father. He was

514
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: like a straight f student in a terrible funk up,

515
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: and his father later came to him and said, I'm sorry,

516
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: we just all thought you were a loser, but he

517
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: made it right. Yeah, I don't I don't think there's

518
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: any I don't know that the idea that you can

519
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: do well in school and that is predictive of your

520
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: future success is a correlation. Hardly bush. Yet there's hardly

521
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: a correlation between doing well. I guess we were so

522
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: we're just so badly. So we've cut this moose up. Now,

523
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: we cut this moose up, and the bat came on

524
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: a moose. We explained the weight because it's a little

525
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: bit complicated. Yeah, well, I think our pilot today, who's

526
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: handled many many moose, and we're asking about why they

527
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: have to be de bones, and he said he don't

528
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: really care about the bones themselves. It's the fact that

529
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: you get a rear ham that weighs somewhere between a

530
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: d and a hundred fifty pounds, and you have to

531
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: wield it in one big chunk. That's why you have

532
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: to debone it and then split it into two. They

533
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: like fifty pound chunks, So every ham is you know,

534
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: hy pounds and that was Yeah, this is cut off

535
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: at the ball skinned, cut off at the ball joint,

536
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: and cut off at the set at the what what

537
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: we consider the knee. And by the way, I want

538
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: to point out what a badass you are, Steve, because

539
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: you walked one of those suckers all the way back

540
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: up to camp damn in a backpack. Do you say

541
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: badass or dumbassad bad The dumbass words should go to

542
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: Korey and I for doing it without a backpack. We

543
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: take team to one of those just because, yeah, they

544
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: put it over their shoulder like they're carrying a piece

545
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: of log and you're kind of doing like a Chinese

546
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: dragon thing, you know, with sticking out of the bottom. Yeah,

547
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: you're just not Like, the size of these things is

548
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: hard to get across. So if you took the front,

549
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: like a moose's highest the highest spot on the moose

550
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: is the you know, the shoulders, it's not actually the shoulders,

551
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: but it's backbone. Has that thing there. When you cut

552
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: the front leg off, then cut it off at the knee,

553
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: that's some bitch comes up to your clavicles. You set

554
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: it on the ground, It's like, yeah, huge big piece

555
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: of meat anyway, yanaka continue the story. No, well, obviously,

556
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: because we wait on one tip at our scale, at max,

557
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: our hunter pound hunter sex. So cut this mooz all up,

558
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: and uh, you can't. You're flying in the places were

559
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: flying when you're flying it on something called supercup, and

560
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: a super cup has the capacity to carry uh just

561
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: hundred four h pounds three fifties what they want on max. Yeah,

562
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: but they'll carry four the way some air carriers. The

563
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: way some air carriers will do it is they'll just

564
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: take your body weight. So they'll say that you can

565
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: put a grown person in there. Just has to do

566
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: with weight distribution. You put a grown person in there

567
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: and his clothes and whatever he's got on him, and

568
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: then fifty additional pounds. So if you're going on a

569
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: on a sheep hunt in a super cubs on dolls

570
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: sheep and land in the mountains, you might have it

571
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: dictated you by your bush pilot, your transporter that you

572
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: can only have fifty pounds of you can only have

573
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: a fifty pound backpack that's gonna want to put into

574
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: a super cup now when you're flying. So when you're

575
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: flying a moose quarter so the moose quarterways a hundred

576
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: thirty pounds. Obviously the plane has the capacity to do it,

577
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: but you gotta get it in a little tight spot.

578
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: So they don't like the flyout bone meat. They they

579
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: stipulate that you, um sorry, they don't like to fly

580
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: out bone in meat. And this air carried that we

581
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: were flying with makes you bone out your moose meat

582
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: and have bags that weighed no more than fifty pounds

583
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: per bag, and we had probably about it. No I

584
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: think you counted a sixteen or seven Okay, yeah, because

585
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: we had to separated more. Okay, the pounds. The pilot said,

586
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: five pounds is what they're flying out from. So five

587
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: h pounds of bone was meat. We want not taking

588
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: some of the marrow bones out on a later flight. Now,

589
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: the pilot one of the piles to tell me a

590
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: couple of interesting things. He uh, his wife cooks uh

591
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: when he killed the moose. He knew his wife His

592
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: wife uh was brought up in in in Native Alaskan culture,

593
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: and they she uses all the merrow when he kills moose.

594
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: He has to bring all the marrow bones home because

595
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: she wants the merrow. He brings the nose home and

596
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: they take the whole nose of the moose, burn the

597
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: hair off with a blowtorch, boil it until it gets soft,

598
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: cut it in slices, and just put salt on it

599
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: and eat it. And he knew that she liked the stomach,

600
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: but they do cut the carsage out of the nose.

601
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: That's what he's saying. He knew that she likes the stomach,

602
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: so he went and took the stomach and washed it

603
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: all out in the creek and brought the stomach home.

604
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: And she was pissed because you don't want to wash

605
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: it too well because all the stomach you washed away,

606
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: all the stomach acids and things in those stomach acids

607
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: are what lends it like the right texture and taste. Interesting, Yeah,

608
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: I heard. I learned that this morning. So to cut

609
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: this moose up, and lo and behold, two days go by,

610
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: and uh we go over there, and uh shiploads of

611
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: ravens hanging around, and we're looking at the wolverine scavenging

612
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: the carcass. The wolverine has a hoof, a hoof from

613
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: the knee down, which is a substantial chunk of thing,

614
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: and he's dragging it and he's getting dive bombed by

615
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: ravens and then Uh would stop what he was doing

616
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: now and then to kind of like hiss at and

617
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: and kind of challenge the ravens and then drug his

618
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: hoof over the hill. We started making plans to uh

619
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: get the wolverine and put a tag on him. And

620
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: the wolverine never turned up again. But we had hiked

621
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: this meat up, bone in meat up to the airstrip

622
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: and boned it there. And over the course of the night,

623
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: the moose dragged off two hold back boned out legs.

624
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: What did I say, No, he didn't do it was

625
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: the wolverine and dragged all that stuff off, going to

626
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: cash it somewhere. When we were fixing to kill the wolverine,

627
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 1: Rick got sensitive. We realized that Rick has a do

628
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: not He has a special animal list in his mind.

629
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: Can you speak to this? Yeah, I mean, I mean

630
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: are on the list? They're on there on there, especially

631
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: they're carrying a baby on their back. I mean, why

632
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: is the wolverine? I understand. I was want you to

633
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: tell me why. I mean, for me, the idea of

634
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: eating wolverine, why, how possible? Does not seem practical? Um?

635
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of death for a little meat. Yeah,

636
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: a lot of death for a little meat. And it's

637
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: a symbol of wildness in a way that very few

638
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: critters are. I mean, they just their ranges are pretty large.

639
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: But I understand why you would want to kill a wolverine.

640
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: They have the coolest freaking but range is as big

641
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: as a cariboo. That's true, Okay, So why was it? Okay?

642
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: Why is the density? Well, yeah, I mean it's not ranged.

643
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: Don't tell me it's range because it's not range. Yeah,

644
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: but he's the only he's the only one in his range.

645
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: There might be a couple, but the terms of the

646
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: terms of density and abundance where they are in the

647
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: trophic scale, there's there's this freaking glacial weasel. I mean,

648
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: they evolved to deal with super cool there and just

649
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: like the cariboo, I like the caribou too, but I like,

650
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: I think I would like eating the caribooe better than

651
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: the wolverine. So in a way, it has to do

652
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: with and I know because I have things that I

653
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: don't like to things that I've eaten that I wouldn't

654
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: want to go get myself. Okay, But but when you

655
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: look at it at a at a wolverine. Yeah, it's

656
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: that um. Is it fair to say that you value

657
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: him more alive than dead? Yeah? I mean I see

658
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: him kind of like us, Like he's cruising around looking

659
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: for his meal in a way that we are, and

660
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: I put him on our level in a way that

661
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: I don't put the caribou or the moose. That makes sense. Okay,

662
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: would you put a pine Martin? I like part of

663
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: pine Martins as much as a wolverine. They're pretty badass. Yeah.

664
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: A monkey? Yeah, monkey more or less. If we had

665
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: a monkey and a wolverine standing there and I said,

666
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: rick on one of them, what kind of what kind

667
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: of monkey? Ranging? No tailed monkey? Like a capuchin, white

668
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: white face capuchin. Yeah, they're they're relatively abundant. Red howler

669
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: mean little fucker's capuchins in a red howler. That's the

670
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: kind of iet the howler. How was it? Yeah? I

671
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: said a thousand tas. It tastes like if you took

672
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: a steel cable and put liquid smoke on it. Oh yeah,

673
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: that bad. I just like a dry I mean they

674
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: smoked the jeeps on thing. What do you think it

675
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: tastes like? I don't know, I'm eating blue smoke, turkey,

676
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: drop stick. I mean, I'm eating blue guy, which I

677
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: think is worse than the in a old ring in

678
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: some ways. So if I had a red holler monkey,

679
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: a bluega whale, and a wolverine, I said, Rick, I'm

680
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: killing one of them and you're eating it. Man, you

681
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: would tell me to shoot the ah the I think

682
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: that the one I like the lease is the howler. Okay, whale,

683
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: but that's the whale. A wolverine and a monkey, Yeah,

684
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: you would say shoot the monk. That's a great game.

685
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like the listeners need to

686
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: chime in and send in their their answer. The wolverine, Yeah,

687
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: a whale, a monkey, I know, and that's probably that's

688
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: a good answer. I think that's a good answer. I mean,

689
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: the coolest thing about wolverine is I mean, they're freakingly

690
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: he warmed up to the idea. No, no, we definitely

691
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: did not. And I understand this is a like a

692
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: human like when I the new iPhone comes out, I

693
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: want one. That's how I feel about wolverine, hight Like,

694
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: I just kind of want it, like in a I

695
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: want to take the session of it. And I think

696
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: that desire is problematic a little bit. Yeah, it's like

697
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: it's part of like consuming culture kind of thing, like

698
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: I want to I want to have it. I want

699
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: to put it on my jacket because they're cool. It's cool. Yeah, yeah,

700
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, but even if you lived, like if you're

701
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: the last person alive on Earth. Okay, so your last

702
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: person alive on the planet. And when I put this out,

703
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, there is no there's no more checking

704
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: things against your peers. There's no more any sort of judgment,

705
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: like judgment is gone. There is no judgment left on

706
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: the planet. So your own judgment of yourself, right. I

707
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: feel in that situation, you would kill the wolverine right

708
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: off the bat because I want it. Yeah, because you

709
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: didn't want to kill the wolverine. I think because it

710
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: had something to do with your perceived the perceived judgment

711
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: I'm there is. Yeah, I think that's probably the last

712
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: man on Earth would want that thing. He'd be like,

713
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: she looks warm. Yeah, there's something desirable about it, for sure,

714
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: but I don't need it. I got some oil based

715
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: material that does pretty good, and and those porty geese

716
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: provide amazing Yeah. I'm not trying to I'm not trying

717
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: to put holes with thin because it's my feeling about it.

718
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to kill the wolverine because I have

719
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: said for many years that there's one animal, like outside

720
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: of a polar bear, there's one sort of animal in

721
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: the you know, the large North American critters, land critters

722
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: that I hadn't laid eyes on. And it was him,

723
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: and there I wasn't there he was and I got

724
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: to see him, and I said, yes, I don't want

725
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: to shoot the first wolverine I ever saw. I didn't

726
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: want to shoot the first links I ever saw. Yeah,

727
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: I think that's a good because it's like, but I'm like,

728
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: how about it another one popped over the hill, just

729
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: like I would feel different about the second one because

730
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: I felt like I didn't have a personal the personal

731
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: level of context with where I didn't have that predatory feel.

732
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, and I know that the best

733
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: material for trimming out a parka wolverine's wolverine. Damn straight

734
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: frost and stuff. It doesn't frost up, doesn't frosty. So

735
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: if you saw that wolverine the next day you went

736
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: to went after it because it was still would have

737
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: been the same one I would have rather someone else

738
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: went after it. Yeah, you know, and I'll point out

739
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: to listeners, Um, if you're a non resident honey in Alaska,

740
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: it depends what unit you're in. The unit we were in. Um,

741
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: you're allowed one wolverine per season, so we're not going

742
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: out on a limb here without ten. And this unit

743
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: we're in your allowed ten wolves, one wolverine, one wolverine proceed,

744
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: So we're not talking about something. Yeah, this is like

745
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: by the books sort of sort of thing. September September one,

746
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: if you want it. If you did want to kill

747
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: that wolverine, I would have been like, sweet, yeah, give me,

748
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: give me part of it. But yeah, most folks without

749
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of education would probably think that the wolverines, well,

750
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: I guess they are. It's kind of similar situations the

751
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: grizzly bear, Like in a lower forty eight, there's not

752
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: a lot of them. They're also like you often hear

753
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: the term symbol of or icon of, and the wolverine

754
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: is one of those iconic wilderness northern animals. Yea, yeah,

755
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: university mission. Well, some people say wolver the wolverine may

756
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 1: have never stepped foot in Michigan. Do you know that

757
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: they just spotted one a couple of year or two ago.

758
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing about the Lower forty versus Alaska, right,

759
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: lower forty eight, we have all these like well, like

760
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: preserving wilderness, and Alaska just is and wilderness. It just

761
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: is wilderness. You don't have to even think about it.

762
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: There's a much susy bears occupy like nine of the range,

763
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: wolves occupy nineties percent of the exactly functioning, much different

764
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: view of grizzlies in the Lower forty eight than they

765
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: do up here, like very differently. And you can kill

766
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of wolverines, you can kill wolves, you can

767
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: kill grizzly bears in Alaska and there's not any global

768
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: effect to their populations. And they view the wolf the nuisance.

769
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: That's what. Yeah, in some areas to some degree, in

770
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: the area we were hunting in, Um, they get after

771
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: wolves pretty hard because they're trying to they're trying to

772
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: assist a beleaguered herd of caribou in the area, So

773
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: they tend to get after wolves pretty hard in that area, right, Um,

774
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: And your thoughts on this wolverine thing, that's cool to see. Yeah,

775
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: I liked it. I mean it's pretty rare to to

776
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: be able to see a wolverine in person. One of

777
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: our pilots today, forty four years in a Alaska I'm

778
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: guessing probably twenty or more of them flying. Never seen one. No, yeah, yeah,

779
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: we all expect grizzlies to show up in camp. There

780
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: was grizzly ship everywhere and then boom, a wolverine shows

781
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 1: it up right next to camp. So that was pretty cool.

782
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: You know, one thing I want to make a little

783
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: remark about which some hunter I've done a lot of

784
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: hunting out West are significantly more than most Midwest hunters.

785
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: And on occasion out West, you know, you'll be walking

786
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: a big field or a meadow and you'll come up

787
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: on grizzly bear, well not grizzly bear, but just black

788
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: bear ship. Here. When you're walking these meadows, every third

789
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: step there's a bear turd and some of them like Brody,

790
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: that one big pile, big boy, This is no kidding,

791
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: I've got a normal sized fist. This ejection came out

792
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: of the bear was bigger than my bigger gauge bigger

793
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: gauge friend Bearer Biologist Carl Malcolm said that there is

794
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: a correlation and they use it in research as a

795
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: correlation between the gauge on a bear ship in the

796
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: size of the bear man. I would believe it. I mean,

797
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: and but you're seeing a lot of You have to

798
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: understand like you're seeing a ton of bearship where you

799
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: are because you're in the spot. You're in the barry

800
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: zone right and get above the alder and dwarf birds

801
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: and they're the alpine. But there's still a lot of

802
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: good groundcover before you get into the bear rock and

803
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: there's like a there's a band of exceptional barry growth.

804
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: You happen to be also, you know when you're honey

805
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: has been a lot of time in that band because

806
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: it's got a good visibility, easy traveling. So you're in

807
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: there where the bears are, and there's just a lot

808
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: of bear ship there. So it's like that little boy

809
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: digging for that pony on that piloo. I don't know,

810
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: but it's an old story, like you know, my dad

811
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: always told this story. Yeah no, I haven't heard this.

812
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: So my dad said, you said there's two kinds of people. Okay, now,

813
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: well no, my dad put like this. He put it

814
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: as a he put a socio economic spin on it.

815
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: He said, you take a rich kid and put him

816
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: in a room full of horse ship, he's just gonna cry.

817
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: You take a poor kid and put him from room

818
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: full of horse ship, and you're open up. He's gonna

819
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: be digging because you'd be like, with all this horse ship,

820
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a pony in here somewhere, right. Yeah,

821
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: So that's the same theory that I'm applying to the

822
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: bear ship. He's there somewhere. Yeah, it's got to be somewhere.

823
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: Do you guys have never heard dad? I was quite

824
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: happy to see four bears two miles away. That was

825
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: funny that grizzually mama with the three cubs. We saw

826
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: a sour two and the sou with three, right, And

827
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: that the blonde ship was awesome. She was as almost

828
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: white all right, yunhy, just without looking like a polar bear.

829
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: Tell us your whole caribou story, I mean, write down

830
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: to the everything. How we got there and they were

831
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: all over the place, dicking around. We're looking for we're

832
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: the monster across the way. Rick, What do you do?

833
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: What's important on your phone? There? Nothing? Girl? I figured

834
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: he was just researching the string. I'm single. These days.

835
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: You know he is there anything we can do to

836
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: help you out there? He've asked for it. You want

837
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: me to put it a plug for you on this podcast,

838
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: like a little website or definitely not people visit you

839
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: on maybe maybe maybe, I'll just say this the right

840
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: type of girls guy to find because of his last name. Yeah,

841
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: you had an Instagram account that we can rix Rick

842
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: Smith Media. Yeah, so go they try to find Rick

843
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: Smith on Facebook when it was I mean name Rick

844
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: Smith and bow. Let me just put it out there.

845
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: How old are you? Gain fully employed freelance lifestyle works

846
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: on interesting projects. Rick recently has discussed on a previous podcast.

847
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: Rick will sometimes go into a will get a shot

848
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: list and go out and to subserve wild animals and

849
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: film behaviors. That's interesting dinner conversation, right, that's not lacking. Um,

850
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: very bright guy, well educated. You doing a house? Rick

851
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: does no one house? But he right some day, very

852
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: gross survivor show. I was a reality TV, reality TV star,

853
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: reality TV made it survived and uh and is not married.

854
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: Still major commitments. So there you have it, ladies. Rick

855
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: Smith bosmantin. I'll let you know in the next podcast

856
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: what comes to fruition out of this. You've got a

857
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: lot of female listeners of this podcast. But what I

858
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: pictures are some dude listening and is with his wife

859
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: and she's like over hearing. Oh yeah, his wife, but

860
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: his sister is over hearing. Yea or like his cousin.

861
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: That could work though, because his wife could be like, oh,

862
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 1: we should set him up with my friend. We should

863
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: call dep and tell her to call this guy. Is

864
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: can a gal go like move in with you? Or

865
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: do you want a gal who's already in that town

866
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: with her own place? Um, my current place would be

867
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: a little tight. So what radius are you looking at here?

868
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have four corners too far.

869
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: I have a lot of restrictions. I mean, I don't know.

870
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: I think with right gal, Rick would import from Palm Beach,

871
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: New York. If you're from like beaute. What are you

872
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: looking for, Rick? Oh wow? Yeah, No, I don't put

873
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: a lot of I don't put a lot of stock in.

874
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: He told me that I'm not a judgure, he has

875
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: no opinion about promiscuity. That was an example of a

876
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: profile questions that I had to take reality shows giving

877
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: me a lesson and I saw neutral a lesson about

878
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: how to pass the psycho logical profile test. Now that's

879
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: what you claim neutrality on things. I claimed neutrality on

880
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: that one. Uh yeah, so good, guys. I just want

881
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: to help you out there. That's good that you got

882
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: some you got some followers out there and the podcast.

883
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: Oh man, yeah they're dude, they have cousins, sisters. So yeah,

884
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: I need tell your care Why don't we start talking

885
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: about rix life. I don't know, because I mentioned the

886
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: fact that he was on a reality show. It was

887
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: we were about to get the play by play of

888
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: this freaking yeah. Then somehow concerned about your love life.

889
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: Oh I was on my phone. Oh you were messing around.

890
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: I thought you're on one of those dating websites. No, no,

891
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm just texting because trying to make the most of

892
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: my time here in the last time. But it makes

893
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: me really uncomfortable. Man, it makes me feel like you're

894
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: not engaged. That's that's a good point. Yeah, that's true.

895
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: It's really hurting my feelings. All right. Yeah, I need

896
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: to tell tell the cab story Rix Rix dying to

897
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: hear it, Rix's attentive look at them over here. Now,

898
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: I just want to hear. I want to hear. I

899
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: want to hear about the camera cameraman's role in this

900
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: hunt too. But you gotta start from the beginning. Yeah,

901
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: we land day one. We you see three caribs. First thing,

902
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: I didn't even off the plane, throw up my knockers

903
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: and I see three grizzlies and three caribou. I'm sorry,

904
00:57:54,600 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: explained that throw your what up knockers by no oh binocular. Okay,

905
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: I was called boks well when I grew up knockers

906
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: for something else that they still are. But I keep

907
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: my knockers right there at that part of my body.

908
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: And when I see a fella and I like his knockers,

909
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: I'd be like, nice knockers, bro, You've never said that.

910
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: So that was day one. I didn't I didn't see

911
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: those three. I think the next day I lasted up

912
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: six bulls. But we were moose hunting and we're like thinking,

913
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: there's gonna be more caribou, and they're they're moving. We

914
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: later heard we're moving northward. Yeah. The way they what

915
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: these bulls did that day is we spotted them fairly

916
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: early and actually ended up betting in this big valley

917
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: for quite a while and then feeding, and they never

918
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: left sight before dark, so they actually could have been bulls.

919
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: We could have caught it. Yeah, that day I think

920
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: I saw yeah, one bull. It was tricked out. He

921
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: was already getting his his He was already getting his

922
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: winter pellage, big white main, big white feet, clean antlerd,

923
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: big sun a bit, and he had five or six

924
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: coles with him. Yeah. Out of the six I saw,

925
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: half looked like that, half tricked out like all five

926
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: yo out. So we're pretty good. We're pretty confident that

927
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna see more cariboo. We've been told we're probably

928
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: hunting stragglers, but at that point we've been seeing cariboo

929
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: every day. So my dad kills a bull moose. The

930
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: next day we go cariboo hunting, and can we go

931
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: there two days? One day to two days? We go

932
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: up on Yeah, sit all day, do not see a

933
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: single cariboo any direction? I didn't see any. Then I said,

934
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go bull moose hunting with Steve, just because

935
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: we want to hunt together. Dad was getting a little

936
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: talking about we're missing days and more days go on

937
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: were because another day up there I spotted to the

938
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: one night we were in the tunnel, we crossed the valley.

939
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: There got a whole other day up there, and then

940
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: it got rained out. Yeah, well we might have done

941
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: three up there, one partial to anyhow, a commanding view,

942
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: a commanding view and see nothing not hiding nothing, void

943
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: of game. And so we go, Mousan, we're calling, calling,

944
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: chatting it up, and uh we actually get to talking

945
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 1: about writing workshops, right, and workshops. You're true dissuading me

946
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: of spending my money on a writing workshop. I just

947
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: happened to look over my shoulder and air as someone

948
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: had manifested a single bowl caribou on the horizon. He's

949
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: a he's like on a beer commercial. Yeah, yeah, like

950
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: a bowl skyline on top of the high mountain. It

951
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: would be it would be a shot that photographers get

952
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: a little chubby for how many chubbies we have a

953
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: little list on a little shots the outdoor, the shots

954
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: the outdoor photographers get a chubby about. But it was

955
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: a distant shot. He was not close. But still it's

956
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: like this beautiful mountains seen in a silhouetted caribou, I

957
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: mean from the hoofs all the way up. Like he

958
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,919
Speaker 1: went up there and said, see those fellows down here.

959
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand here and watch the look on their

960
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: face when they see my ass. That's what he was

961
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: positioned like. So we make a quick plan, back up

962
01:01:54,720 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: our backpacks and we who oh, we had the whole pile,

963
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: six of us there. Yeah, cameras balancing every which way.

964
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: We just we took the lead. I didn't get to

965
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: see against any of the action. Everybody was talking about

966
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: how funny it looked. I guess in the back you

967
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: were saying how funny Rick looked. Coreys trying to get it.

968
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: We're trying to send a bunch of ladies way, and

969
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: he talking about how he looks funny running with a

970
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: forty five pound pack one mile at the tundra. That's

971
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: a foot thought he looks sexy. He stayed with the

972
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: honest man, you were right one, yeah, that's right. And

973
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: at one point Steve commented on how we were kind

974
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: of out of order for a good production, like we

975
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: might not be getting the right camera angles and Rick

976
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: should be closer to me, and it was like, hey, Bud,

977
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: I got no problem. If I need to be on

978
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: his heels, I'll be there. And I trust Rick that

979
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: he could do that because so sexy. Yes, but then

980
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: you and Steve kind of split off. It was we

981
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: did yeah, I mean you're no, this is not normal

982
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: TV production. We had to catch him. Carib was one

983
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: of the few things you could run after that high elevation. Like,

984
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: let's back up, because it just general carrib hunt. When

985
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: I spend a little bit of time caribe hunting, uh,

986
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: we would go and get on a big high knob

987
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: or a big high tit and just wait and and

988
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: why because they're always moving, like you seldom watched then

989
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: just like rarely doesn't care. Just stay someplace, to stay

990
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: there all day long. They just are drifting and we

991
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: would sit out there and you have to catch them

992
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: where You're always like calculating, like if we start a

993
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: hauling asks now we'd be able to intercept him somewhere.

994
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: If you caught one going away from me, you can't

995
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: catch him. You know, he's like a mile out. You're

996
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: not gonna overtake a grazing caribou there just like moving. Um,

997
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: we see the most of them when if we're hunt

998
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: in August early September and if there was a wind

999
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: it feels breezy, you would not see carribo. You wouldn't

1000
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,479
Speaker 1: see any cariboos. Then the winded die. In the minute

1001
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: the wind died, the hordes of mosquitoes and white socks

1002
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: and black flies would rise up out of the tundra

1003
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: and start mauling you. And you put your mash gloves on,

1004
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: and you put your bug net on your head, and

1005
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: then you start seeing shiploads of cariboos because the bugs

1006
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: would bother the carribe was so bad. That would make

1007
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: the carribould get up and start moving, and they would

1008
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: settle into these little draws and stuff to feed. And

1009
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: then when it got buggy, they just start hauling ask

1010
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: because they wanted to get away from the bugs. And

1011
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: you're always like trying to gauge where you could catch them.

1012
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: We started off after Yanni's carried, but kind of not really.

1013
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: We thought we were being that we were gonna go

1014
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: and way had them off and then actually go toward him. Yeah,

1015
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: but by the time we go out there, we way

1016
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: missed the mark. Way missed him, and we were saved

1017
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: by the gregarious nature of caribou. Yeah, he was on

1018
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: his own, gonna just feed walk do the care. Both

1019
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: caribou thing across the bottom of the valley and up

1020
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: the other side and disappear over the ridge. And as

1021
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: he's cressing the ridge and he's on the horizon again

1022
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: on gone gone, I mean ten more, ten more, ten

1023
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: more steps and yeah, you're not being our bellies. At

1024
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: this point, he happens to look over his shoulder and

1025
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: see six mugs and cameras and dudes throwing their packs

1026
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: down getting ready to shoot. And he's like, oh, what's

1027
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: that my friends? Yeah, he's like and he was a

1028
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: young bull, so he's probably that much more curious. I've

1029
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: seen him all. It's just the thing they do. Man,

1030
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: It's like when you see him the best sea. Here's

1031
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,919
Speaker 1: just get down, let him see it and get down.

1032
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: And they just they just don't want to rule out.

1033
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: They don't want to like they have a herd mentality. Yeah,

1034
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: and I don't know why I even thought about it,

1035
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,479
Speaker 1: because I don't think I've ever heard about it. Isn't

1036
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: like a thing that dudes do. Care ab hunting with

1037
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: the white flag. I know it from antil My. Yeah,

1038
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: Antilop punting. It can work. I've seen it work well.

1039
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 1: So we tried that with a game bag. Brody picked

1040
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: up a drop antler, which are littering the ground around there.

1041
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: He picked up a drop antler and waved it. Wait,

1042
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: he didn't want to leave. Then he caught our win

1043
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: and then that changed his mind about in a hurry.

1044
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: But I like the fact that he was all on.

1045
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: He he was missing, he was missing out on the

1046
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: days behind everybody else. Yeah, he was looking for his friends.

1047
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: The pilot told me. I told that about. He said,

1048
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: it's a little bit unusual. You know, he he lived

1049
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: his whole life. You're flying here. He says a little

1050
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: bit unusual that you would see a bull traveling with

1051
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: no known other cariboo in the area. But he said

1052
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: that in his experience, Um, it's coming from his set

1053
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: of experiences. It's frustrating for him to watch nature documentaries

1054
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: where they are saying, like, oh, the caribou are migrating

1055
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: to X place this time of year. They go this direction,

1056
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: and they all go there, and they all know to

1057
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: go there. He said that. He says that that herd

1058
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 1: has many places. They wind up. Some years they're up

1059
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: in the White Mountain Range north of Fairbanks, the same

1060
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: herd hundreds of miles away. Some years they go an

1061
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: entirely different directions. Some years for days they're going north.

1062
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, they're going north, and then all of

1063
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: a sudden, for days they're going back south. Or one

1064
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: side of the river, theres a bunch of Cariber going east.

1065
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,959
Speaker 1: Side of the river, there's a bunch of Carriber going west.

1066
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: And he said it's like he says, he has seen

1067
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: many times where a band of Cariboo will hold up

1068
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: on one of those mountains where we were, get on

1069
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,439
Speaker 1: the wind blown side and spend the whole damn year there.

1070
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: So he was saying, yeah, it's unusually saw and run

1071
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: around by yourself until you consider that there's no like

1072
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: absolute there's sort of like these general things. But within that,

1073
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: he said, there's so much really nearly behavior and and

1074
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 1: things sort of bucking the trend. He said, it's a

1075
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,440
Speaker 1: little bit like when he said when people speaking absolutes

1076
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: about Cariboo movements, it's a little frustrating, but they do

1077
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: like grate. Yeah, but he was saying that like to

1078
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: be like, oh, they all went north. He said, it

1079
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: just is it's like narrative simplicity, right, You Like you

1080
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: have a documentary that needs to be like, okay, we're

1081
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: talking about Cariboo migration. We can't talk about all these

1082
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: places that are going. We don't have time. We gotta

1083
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: they're going one place. Yeah, So he was saying it

1084
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: could be that off last where every day all winter.

1085
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: I think there's one bullet for whatever reason. Side just

1086
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: make a stand. Janna shot dynam label. Yeah, but he

1087
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: was heading out. He was head its owner's head north.

1088
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: He was in the same direction as everybody else we

1089
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: had seen. I was hunt one time on the north

1090
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: slope of the Brooks Range, right ahead of the rut,

1091
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: and I remember it was we were out there first

1092
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: week in October. I killed one on in October nine,

1093
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: and at that time of year, it's it's like the

1094
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: ruts coming on, and everybody says, those carribou there all

1095
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: not Oh there I go. Those caribou that are on

1096
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: the north slope of the Brooks Range tend to winter

1097
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: on the south slope of the Brooks Range, where they

1098
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: go down into the Tiger Forest and winter down there.

1099
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: And they have on the coastal plane because it's more

1100
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: wind and you can get away from the bogs and

1101
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: it's good food. Now we were waiting and we're convinced

1102
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: that all the caribou had left the coastal plane and

1103
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: gone over the range because we weren't seeing ship. And

1104
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: then one day here comes from miles off. I can't

1105
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: remember what it was, nine or ten bulls just like

1106
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: a laser headed towards the coastal plane. So going on

1107
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: the wrong direction that quote wrong direction, but they move

1108
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: so much that they could they could correct and be

1109
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: you know, the next day turned around and recover all

1110
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: the ground. But it is I mean, you do get

1111
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: your heavy one to see these these certain things. Also

1112
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: something we discussed. Yeah, they said that, uh, those moose

1113
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: do winner there. He said, they particularly like those draws,

1114
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,879
Speaker 1: those willow choked draws will lead down to the main drainage.

1115
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: He said, they'll move once the snow starts piling up,

1116
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: they'll move up into those kind of like right blow

1117
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: where we got it out. Yanni's cariboo, butcher down he's

1118
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: cariboo that head high willow. He says, they like that

1119
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: stuff a lot for wintertime. It's great walking through. You know.

1120
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: Try to go back to one thing about these camera guys, Well,

1121
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: can I got I got such an epic in uptually

1122
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: going on right now, We're gonna get He's at like

1123
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: probably five hundred as he's about to go over the horizon, right,

1124
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're yelling numbers. But he sees us,

1125
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: he comes back towards us and gets I think all

1126
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: the way maybe even under three hundred, heard something like that.

1127
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: But he's facing us the whole time, the winds kind

1128
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: of blowing. I'm just not a huge like frontal guy shot,

1129
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 1: especially when I'm like thinking meat. Yeah, YI was practicing

1130
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: excellent restraint because he was gonna let to carry but

1131
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: get away rather than hit in the front. Yeah. And

1132
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: then and I will not lie. This makes me kind

1133
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 1: of like the trophy hunter or whatever. Had it been

1134
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: just like the guard gangein like monster Bull with just

1135
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 1: points coming off every direction, I would have taken that shot. Yea.

1136
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: So were you not shooting like on the shot place

1137
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: with an argument? Were you not shooting the front facing

1138
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: you because you're worried about meat wastedge because you're worried

1139
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: about having a greatly diminished kill zone and getting the

1140
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: clean kill in such whipping and it was it was

1141
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: it was brisk wind. Yeah, which one was more? I

1142
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean it's one of the same. Really

1143
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: wasted meat and crippling the critter. It's not the same thing. Well,

1144
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still like a huge negative both of them.

1145
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: You know, So you're practice incredible restraint, bad ethics. He

1146
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 1: was practicing good ethics. Weird shot, big antlers would have

1147
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: caused me to make a maybe take a little bit

1148
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: more questionable shot, possibly loose some meat, possibly not have

1149
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: quite as you know, the hypercentage for a quality kill.

1150
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: I feel like I could have made that shot, sure,

1151
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: But on that bowl, I was like not. I was

1152
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: like very able to like just be calm and be

1153
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna get the right shot, wait for it

1154
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: to happen. You were just gonna let him walk. Well,

1155
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: it was very I'll continue my story. He got down

1156
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: like two or whatever, and he's like coming, he's coming,

1157
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: He's coming, And I thought he was almost I was like, man,

1158
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: he's just gonna walk into our laps and it will

1159
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: be a real gimme. And then also his nose picked

1160
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 1: up and he got our wind and he was again

1161
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: heading out. It looked like he got hit by a

1162
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: car when that wind hit him. Yeah, so you're in

1163
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: the bottom of the valley, yeah, right, and instead of

1164
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: heading right back towards the her ezes, and he kind

1165
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: of just heads back and like a side he's traversed

1166
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: in the side of the hill instead of going, you know,

1167
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: just back right it towards the horizon where he could

1168
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: have quickly, you know, had he gone the same distance

1169
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: towards her eyes, and he would have disappeared. But he

1170
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: went across the hillside and uh, you gave him a

1171
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: couple of hoots and hollers. He didn't stop. I feel

1172
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: like that that that trick didn't he didn't care about

1173
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 1: that trip. Yeah, I gave him. I gave him my my,

1174
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 1: you try to bugle beagle Dad. I whistled bugle. He's like, hey,

1175
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: my distant cousins stopped and he turned Bron's side and

1176
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: you said, I don't know what you said, four oh something.

1177
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: I remember hearing four oh. And I was like, okay,

1178
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: I got this. I knew that my second hash down

1179
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: was roughly four yards, so I held right on and

1180
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:31,719
Speaker 1: shot broke clean what was it went through both lungs

1181
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 1: and he ran down into a little fold in the

1182
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: land and disappeared. Because I thought you missed. Because I

1183
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: saw what I thought I saw. It was a proof

1184
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: of powdered rock, right, But no, I don't know if

1185
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: I might have just seen some hair come up. So

1186
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: I heard the thump like when you get a good

1187
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: hit on an animal. Sounds like a hitting the pumpkin,

1188
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: like hitting the watermelon. It's unmistakable. Yeah, I've heard described

1189
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: as like a baseball bat to a wet towel that's hanging.

1190
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: That's good. A it is good. Um punch the pumpkin

1191
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: hitting the wet toil the baseball bat just like oh no,

1192
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: not like that, Like is that good? There's like a

1193
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: whap wap deeper. Yeah, there you go. No, it's like

1194
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: I heard that. Uh. And then we went over there

1195
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: and he was you you double along to him. It's

1196
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: the heart. We had to keep the harb very windy

1197
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 1: and cold, and we uh dug it, drug it down

1198
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 1: the hill and then and then proceeded to butcher it up.

1199
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: And his liver. We're going a conversation about liver. I

1200
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: had just had some very good deer liver hunting down

1201
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: the southeast, and uh, I was kind of excited to

1202
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: replicate that meal with this liver. And and the liver

1203
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: is full of spots now in kosher slaughter which is

1204
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: called um. Okay, if you're an observe if you're an

1205
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: observant Jew, you would you eat kosher food non kosher food?

1206
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: I think is it glad anyway? One of the things

1207
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: you do during the Kosher slaughter processes you inspect the

1208
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: animals organs because God said in the Old Testament, God says,

1209
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: don't eat carrying okay, um, I mean don't eat dead.

1210
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: Don't eat animals you find laying around dead. Now, you

1211
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: don't know why I said that. It's not for you

1212
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: to like, it's not for you to say like, oh,

1213
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it because I don't want to

1214
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: get sick. You don't know why I said it, But

1215
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: don't eat dead animals you see laying around. So to

1216
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,440
Speaker 1: be extra careful because a lot of that, like the interpretation,

1217
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: a lot of the rules is to be like if

1218
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 1: he says something like God said, don't shave the corners

1219
01:16:55,680 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: of your face in the Old Testament. Now, ultra observant

1220
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: Jews will will grow out the sideburns because they're like, well,

1221
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: I don't know where the corner of your face ends

1222
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: and your hair begins. So to play it ultra safe

1223
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: and to be extra careful to be observant of the law.

1224
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: I'll grow out this long thing. So God says don't

1225
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: eat carrying. They would say, well, then you better not

1226
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: eat a wounded animal. Don't eat an animal that's damaged.

1227
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: To be extra careful. So when you do kosher slaughter,

1228
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: you inspect the organs to to look and make sure

1229
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of illness in that animal, because you're

1230
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: being extra careful to follow God's word. Now that's not

1231
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,839
Speaker 1: why I was inspecting his liver, but I haven't. But

1232
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: but I happen to be inspecting his liver and they

1233
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,839
Speaker 1: had large white spots on it. Yeah, this way predates

1234
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: the FDA, but that's actually us. So I happen to

1235
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: be inspecting his liver. Notice some large whites on it.

1236
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: Yanni tries to tell me, it's some land in the creek. Well,

1237
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: it was just funny that we hadn't noticed it when

1238
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: well I had noticed when I cut it out and

1239
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: then went and put it in the creek, and we

1240
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: talked about leaving in the creek. Washed off a little

1241
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: because my mom when I was a kid, I had

1242
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: iron poor blood and I used to eat a lot

1243
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: of liver and my mom would take deer liver and

1244
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: so cut the deer liver up and soaking lemon water

1245
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: to draw the blood out. People soaking milk or water,

1246
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: various things that draw the blood out. When you throw

1247
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: you throw a liver in the creek, let me change

1248
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: its color, yeah quickly? Um So Yanni threw in his

1249
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: cold ass creek. And then we pulled it out and

1250
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: I had these things in it. Who wasn't did a

1251
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: biopsy on that liver. We cut it open. I don't

1252
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: senor know about it though. I thought it was some

1253
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: deposits a big ass parasite there. I don't real what

1254
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,839
Speaker 1: it was, but that's what I recalled. The DNR Michigan

1255
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: biologists tell me it was some kind of parasite. He said, Tony,

1256
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: it's real waxy. Yeah, what do you do on your phone? Rick,

1257
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking up fatty liver, which that's what I think

1258
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 1: it is. I don't think it's a parasite. Rick feels

1259
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 1: as though, and we caught we did a biopsy on it.

1260
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: You pull out a thing the size of a p

1261
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: with an encase. It's got a case and you pulled

1262
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: out and it is just like a waxy fat inside there,

1263
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: whether it's a paris that are not so we uh,

1264
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 1: we discarded the liver. Would animals get I mean, humans

1265
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 1: do because they eat the wrong diet. Would that animal

1266
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: get that? It wouldn't occur in that way. It occurs

1267
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: just like you have like a lot of abdominal he'd

1268
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: have like a lot of fat in his abdominal cavity,

1269
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: like kidney fat. He's not gonna wind up with balls

1270
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: of fat. Rick. Well, yeah, maybe that's that's what I'm

1271
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: looking like. It didn't look like a larvae. That might

1272
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: have been an agger or something. Where the hell was?

1273
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: It was good, eat, not deliver. We did deliver, and

1274
01:19:55,320 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: then this morning, Yeah se wants talk. Who wants to

1275
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 1: explained this morning's meal? But yeah, because he well he

1276
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: already got to explain a bunch of stuff. Well, I

1277
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: watched you master chef and hunter prepare a extraordinary meal. Uh.

1278
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: The primary uh entree was bone marrow. We took and cut,

1279
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 1: sawed up the mooses front yeah, shins, and cooked those

1280
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: on a pan. I went and collected some berries, blueberries, huckleberries,

1281
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: and cranberries. Right, what was the third one? You picked? Blueberries, crowberries, crowberry,

1282
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: cranberries all right, and then you reduced those down added

1283
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you took a little bit of the fat

1284
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: out of the bone marrow path the reduced heated that

1285
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: reduced it down, added it to the blueberries to make

1286
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:14,799
Speaker 1: a blueberry reduction like a fat reduction, like a sauce.

1287
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: And then we also took a mushroom that you had

1288
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: rough stemmed the bleat thank you, which I at first

1289
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 1: didn't think had any taste to it, but by the

1290
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 1: third one that not because the flavor just kind of

1291
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: comes through, you know, it grows on you. Ah. So

1292
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: we had that sautet in a pan, and then we

1293
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: also had uh the tender loin, which was grilled on

1294
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: an open flame fire, and you sort of made like

1295
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: a little I'm sure there's a French word for it

1296
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 1: or derv stacked up with the tenderloin on the bottom.

1297
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, cariboo. Yeah, the tender tenderline and then the

1298
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: bone marrow and then the mushroom on the side, with

1299
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 1: a little sauce covering it all. And you served it

1300
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: on a a moose dropping not dropping sho shoulder blade. No,

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01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: I thought we put it on the We did put

1302
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: it on schedule, ok. Yeah, So we put it on

1303
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: the bone of the scapula of the moose and that

1304
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: was very impressive for a field and it all tasted excellent.

1305
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: So for those of you who have never had any

1306
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: bone marrow, you gotta do it. But you had eaten

1307
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: bone marrow, Oh yeah, I've done. It was Dennison, thanks

1308
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: to you and Hank Shaw. So it's not it's not

1309
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 1: a h and I'm sure I could find a Latman

1310
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: recipe for it. I would think most European NU countries do.

1311
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: That's grand down the bone marrow in a French restaurant

1312
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: in San Francisco and I ordered that bone. I remember

1313
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: sitting there and I saw it. I was like, I

1314
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: can't this is this is many many years ago. I

1315
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 1: think this is you know, I'll tell you what year

1316
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 1: it was. It was two thousand three or two thousand four,

1317
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: and sitting there and uh, there's two thousand three and

1318
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: I see bone around like I just didn't understand what

1319
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: they meant. And I order it and its discs of

1320
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: femur cut and they got each one has a sprig

1321
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: of time and a sprig of rosemary stuck in it

1322
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: with sea salt on top. And I spread some of

1323
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: that on some toast. And the first thing, the first

1324
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 1: and only thing I thought, was do you know how

1325
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: many pounds of that ship I have left land in

1326
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah, and most tunners should they don't know

1327
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, but it does take some word white

1328
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 1: tailor is not a lot there. I usually say to people,

1329
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 1: I just say, like white bigger than a white hell.

1330
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: It's worth your while. I think on tongue, and I

1331
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: think on marrow bones. You know, you get into an elk,

1332
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 1: like that's a marrow bone, a mule to your white tail.

1333
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: It's just not a lot of think about game processors

1334
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: in the West, how many pounds of that stuff? But

1335
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't think that ship can't be that good for you.

1336
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: I think it's really good for you. I don't know.

1337
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: If you're trying to like watch, I don't care. I

1338
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: don't pay attention to it. But if you're in a

1339
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 1: situation physically where you're trying to watch cholesterol and all, that,

1340
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: better than a Coca cola, I'm pretty sure is actually

1341
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: good for you. It depends on what diet is in fat.

1342
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: In these days, high fat is in so yeah. But

1343
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: here's the thing I didn't change what I I eat,

1344
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna eat. I know what I feel good eating.

1345
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: Now people who are like, are you used to not

1346
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: eat this and now I eat that? When you're involved

1347
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: in a fat diet, no one knows they're doing a

1348
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: fat diet while they're doing it. They only know it's

1349
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: a fat diet later. So now you got the whole

1350
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: damn world. You were just like red, Yeah, it's like, oh,

1351
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: this is what jeans look like. No, it's not what jeans.

1352
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like now I was like, yeah, fat, fat, fat,

1353
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: Oh of course it's you know, it's healthy. But like

1354
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: a while ago, no one was doing it. They're doing

1355
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: it now. All the people that change what they eat

1356
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 1: all the time according to what they're hearing on, whatever

1357
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: kind of media they take in, those people will in

1358
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: some amount of time move away from fat. I will

1359
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: still be consuming the same food I always eat, cause

1360
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: I don't shift my food around based on what dudes

1361
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: tell me. But for but most people, not most, many

1362
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: many people do. And and and now they'll be like, oh,

1363
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do? And then they'll be on

1364
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: to some other ship and I'll be like, you should

1365
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: really be eating a ton of bread and refined sugar.

1366
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: That's actually where the science is and then and that's

1367
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: what I eat now. Yeah, No, I'm just saying, no

1368
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: one engaged in a fat diet and knows they're in

1369
01:25:55,160 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: a fat diet. Right now, there's a fat diet that

1370
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: happened to be Like Yanni, there were talking about this

1371
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: with shoes. When I used to work for Ronnie Bain

1372
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: Twinlak installations, we wore red wing boots that had a

1373
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 1: white flat soul on them because we did most of

1374
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: our work on concrete bear concrete floors. I the other

1375
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: day found a pair of these boots and purchased them

1376
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: because I always liked that style of boot. And Yanni

1377
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: was saying, those boots and the ship right now really

1378
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 1: in fashion. And we're talking about when fashion comes and collides,

1379
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: like fashion comes and collides with you, like you're on

1380
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: a path and all of a sudden it's get you

1381
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: get hit by fashion. Yeah, that fashion was just where

1382
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: somebody went home and saw a pair of grandpa's little boots.

1383
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: He said, man, those mothers would look good. Why don't

1384
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: I make some money and we'll just popularize that and

1385
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: make that the new things. So fashion collided with you.

1386
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:55,639
Speaker 1: And that's easy because stupid follows that all the time. Yeah,

1387
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 1: I mean look at America. I mean just oh yeah,

1388
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: that's create this and it's another stupid thing we can

1389
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: spend money on exactly. But for the bone, I feel

1390
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 1: like I feel like my diet has been I feel

1391
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 1: like the diet I eat has has fashion came and

1392
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: collided into my diet. Now they'll all go off and

1393
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: do other ship, but I'll be eating what I like

1394
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 1: to eat. For the bone marrow, there's like if you

1395
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:25,560
Speaker 1: eat a like back and you know, before people agriculture

1396
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: and not quite poor people, but before we could go

1397
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: buy food in the grocery store, there's a legitimate reason

1398
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: to eat bone marrow because lean meat doesn't have what bone. Man,

1399
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: you want to hear an interesting theory that I read

1400
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: one time. I don't know where. I don't know if

1401
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: this theory is fashionable anymore. Ricky might be able to

1402
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: speak to it. You're schooled up on this kind of stuff. Uh,

1403
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: when you look at the African diaspora by which hominis

1404
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: Um left Africa, of course, Neanderthals left Africa, you know,

1405
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: six years ago and had quite a long ten year

1406
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: in Europe before we showed up for Homo sapiens showed up.

1407
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 1: But there's a theory out there that hominids didn't leave Africa.

1408
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: Tell you if you've ever heard this, I read this,

1409
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not weighing in on this. I'm

1410
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: just telling you about a thing I read. I find

1411
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: oftentimes people have a very hard time, Like you'll go

1412
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 1: and tell someone about something you read and you're just saying, like,

1413
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: I read this thing. I'm telling you what I read,

1414
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: and they'll get mad at you. So you're like, they're

1415
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: like mad at you. I'm like, I can't tell are

1416
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: you mad at me that I read it? Are you

1417
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: mad at me that I'm telling you about it? Because

1418
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm not claiming that it's mine. I'm just telling you

1419
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: as not a one to one right in the reading

1420
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: and the interpretation of the thing you read, well, I

1421
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: mean you might you have a pretty good memory, though

1422
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: you give For example, I'm talking about I once read

1423
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: an article thing I just told you guys about this.

1424
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,719
Speaker 1: I read an article where I was saying like, were

1425
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 1: we to build were we to build an impenetrable wall

1426
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 1: between the US and Mexico? Here we go, I'm not

1427
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,719
Speaker 1: doing any here's the problem. I'm not doing value judgment

1428
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,799
Speaker 1: right now. But there's no way for people to listen

1429
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: to me without realizing I'm not doing value judgment because

1430
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 1: people have so much ship in their head that they

1431
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: need to assign value even when someone's not making value judgment.

1432
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 1: But there was a biologist who said, were we to

1433
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 1: build this impenetrable wall between the US and Mexico border,

1434
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 1: it would have it may have the following implications for

1435
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:50,719
Speaker 1: migratory patterns and movements of jaguars, mountain lions, and black bears.

1436
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: So he's just saying, as we consider this idea, if

1437
01:29:55,040 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: you're interested in large carnivores and large omnivores when making

1438
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: the decision about the rights and wrongs of this, a

1439
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 1: set of factors to consider would be the movements of

1440
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 1: large rare animals. Okay, he's just throwing it out there now.

1441
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: I put this article up on social media. I put

1442
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: it up on Facebook and get bombarded with people saying, well,

1443
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 1: if you lost your job to a you know, but

1444
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: it's like but like, no, no, no, I wasn't saying

1445
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:36,799
Speaker 1: that at all. I didn't write the article I'm sharing

1446
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: with you a collection of thoughts about a thing that's

1447
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: in the national debate, and people were attacking me for

1448
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: having drawn attention to a piece of field work done

1449
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,600
Speaker 1: by someone because they couldn't keep their values out of

1450
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 1: it or their their world view out of it. But

1451
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 1: here's what I fail to see. Why did you not

1452
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: support the wall? And do it be like, yes, all

1453
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: factors included, all factors considered, including the implications for jaguars,

1454
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 1: mountain lions, and black beards. I still support the wall,

1455
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: and I've taken time to consider that because my people

1456
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 1: don't work that way. They're like, I don't want to

1457
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: hear about that ship because I support the wall. Who

1458
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:21,640
Speaker 1: cares about those bears? Not even there? They're like, they're like,

1459
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 1: you can't say, like you can't look at the look

1460
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: at things. Well, so I'm precacing. I'm practicing my story

1461
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 1: because I'm not making a comment about humans and how

1462
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: our species came. I'm not telling any of that. I

1463
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: read a story where someone was positing someone was making

1464
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 1: a hypothesis that the human diaspora from Africa had some

1465
01:31:56,479 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 1: link in time with the um with the proliferation of

1466
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:06,640
Speaker 1: saber tooth cats. Now here's why this is important to

1467
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 1: this theory. Saber tooth cats can't crack open bones, could

1468
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: not just tooth structure. We were talking about how wolverine

1469
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: will get in due. He'll whittle his way in there

1470
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 1: like a dog. You know, dog will slowly destroy a bone.

1471
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Wolverine was gonna get in there, eventual's gonna get that

1472
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 1: marrow out, saying saber tooth cats, uh can make a kill,

1473
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 1: they eat soft tissue. They couldn't. They couldn't get into

1474
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 1: the bone once you had this guy was positive came

1475
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: here as a man of woman, saying that once we

1476
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: see this great proliferation of sabre tooth cats on the landscape,

1477
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: we start seeing more movements out of humans. He was

1478
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 1: suggesting that that there was a there was a an

1479
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 1: abundance of bone marrow on the landscape because people who

1480
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,719
Speaker 1: were didn't have a very sophisticated tool set. Um we're

1481
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: just starting to mess around with stone tools and figuring

1482
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: out how all that ship worked. We're in knew about

1483
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,679
Speaker 1: ads is and hammers and anvils and things, but weren't

1484
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: very effective at going out and killing large, dangerous animals

1485
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 1: with projectile points yet. And they were making a lot.

1486
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: They were making them like pre pre human human, right,

1487
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: making the lifestyle out of out of scavenging carcasses and

1488
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 1: cracking them open and getting and getting meryl. You know,

1489
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: it was just throwing it out there. That's something I read.

1490
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 1: I think that's whether's they talked about, this idea that

1491
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: early humans were scavengers. All these like sort of bipedal

1492
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 1: semi bipedal creatures cruised around and then they could carry

1493
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,839
Speaker 1: away meat. They could like run up to a carcass,

1494
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: grab some ship, and hustle off before the big guys

1495
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: showed up before. Yeah, rain front or right now. You

1496
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: don't want to you can't fight, you don't, I mean

1497
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 1: you just starn't equipped to fight with other predators. But

1498
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: you can and grabbing stuff, barrows transportable, it comes to

1499
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 1: its own package. It's sealed, it's her medically sealed. Yeah,

1500
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: I think can that last? You know what I'm gonna start.

1501
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 1: I should start messing routh going and cracking open a

1502
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: bone out and then and seeing what it looks like.

1503
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 1: I have found old bones and fore and cracked and

1504
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: open and had it been like kind of dry it

1505
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: out and whatnot. But it'll be really interesting to take

1506
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 1: a shin bone and throw all the yard. I have

1507
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 1: to think it would last a long time, man, I

1508
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 1: mean a hell a lot longer than the than the

1509
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: bones a week and like seventy degree weather or longer

1510
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: and not even I can't say it would. I wouldn't

1511
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:35,600
Speaker 1: be I can tell you wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, but

1512
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 1: I think if it's cool, reasonably cold out for like

1513
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 1: forty degrees or colder, it's solid a room. It's solid

1514
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: at room. It's a fat it's solid at room temperature.

1515
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 1: More than a week later, yeah, true, nine days later. Yeah,

1516
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 1: just laying on an air striping. You know. The best

1517
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,759
Speaker 1: thing is a scapula had you know, bit some meat

1518
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 1: just kind of on it. But the like, oh gosh, yeah,

1519
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 1: I was cured. But the color, the white bone, red meat,

1520
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 1: blueberry bone. Marrow. Yeah, we had a scavenge. From the scavenger.

1521
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 1: We had to take what the wolverine left us. We

1522
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,599
Speaker 1: went on to get the fevers, and the wolverine fevers.

1523
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: We had to know. It's my favorite marrowbone. I don't

1524
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 1: know why in the world I had never cut into

1525
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 1: a shin bone. Yeah, I'd watch those camp robbers climbing

1526
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 1: all over those things when they were up there on

1527
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: the so you know they were doing another thing on

1528
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 1: those bones, tooth on those capulus. That's a bright bird man,

1529
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 1: like the camp robbers after we So we killed a

1530
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: moose and the camp robbers were there within a couple

1531
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 1: of hours, not even probably an hour, and we were

1532
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: throwing bits of fat to him, and then we realized

1533
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 1: we were being followed. The rest of the week, we

1534
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 1: were being followed by camp robbers all the time. They're like,

1535
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: see those dudes, Yeah, follow those guys, man, because there's

1536
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 1: gonna be something. Because they called whiskey Jack Gray j

1537
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 1: camp robber. Yeah, Corvette. Corvette's old trappers don't like him

1538
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: because too right is that another word for him? I

1539
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,799
Speaker 1: know that like you read when you read old trapper accounts,

1540
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,599
Speaker 1: they really didn't like them because they would tune into

1541
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 1: your trap line and in all your Martin sets they

1542
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 1: would always be they'd harass your bait. So people were

1543
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 1: always pissed that when they killed the Matt Trap, the

1544
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 1: mad trap from Rat River, he had a couple of

1545
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: frills and whiskey Jacks in his backpack. He was feeding

1546
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 1: off him. Wolverines feeding off the trappers hate wolverines too.

1547
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 1: They do the same thing. Follow the trap line, right,

1548
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: and then they would just eat eat the stuff they

1549
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 1: got stuck on the trap. Kill your catch, Jhanna Senior.

1550
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 1: You any concluding thoughts, Oh yeah, quite a few extraordinary week,

1551
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 1: well two weeks basically. Uh, well, a couple of things.

1552
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: Let me start out. First of all, having just watched

1553
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: the show, having been involved with my son, just you know,

1554
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 1: seeing what he goes through. What does that mean? Well,

1555
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, let me back, having talked to my son

1556
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: and you know, hearing what he does to do the show,

1557
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 1: and having met you in the field before doing a show,

1558
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,559
Speaker 1: but now being in a show. But it's a whole

1559
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: entirely different perspective on it. It's an incredible amount of

1560
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 1: work that you guys, and I'm talking about everybody. It's

1561
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 1: not just you, it's not him, it's the camera crew,

1562
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 1: the field, you know, production assistance. Everybody works their asses

1563
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 1: off to make this show go. And I mean it

1564
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 1: to me. You know, everybody has kind of like their

1565
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:01,719
Speaker 1: time and place. They're all like a well oiled wheel

1566
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,679
Speaker 1: in the bigger set of wheels. It all moves together.

1567
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 1: You never hear anybody bitching at least hardly at all.

1568
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 1: Did you hear some bitching? Dude? I start feeling bad,

1569
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Like I felt bad for Corey because I'm reminded myself

1570
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 1: the course you're working, and it's like we're just sitting

1571
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 1: in one place for several days. I started to feel

1572
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 1: self conscious. No, I just go in my own little world.

1573
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 1: People pray for the job that you just described people

1574
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 1: when they watch a show. I mean, like, you know,

1575
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 1: some of these silly reality shows are on TV. I

1576
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 1: don't think that those camera people have to move around

1577
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 1: as much. Is what I saw you guys doing this week.

1578
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's when they say forty pounds of gear,

1579
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 1: they're not kidding, and that's probably more than that. And

1580
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 1: then you've got headsets on, and this stuff that we're

1581
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:08,600
Speaker 1: walking over is I mean, it's either rock shale sliding

1582
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: or its moss that sinks in. And then you got

1583
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 1: these tussocks of grasses right very uneven, and you're watching

1584
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 1: somebody on the lens and you're moving across this while

1585
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 1: they're moving. That's a tough job. Tough job. And then

1586
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: putting the whole that entire picture together, it's an incredible

1587
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: amount of work. That's the first thing I want to say.

1588
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: So my hat's off to you guys. And then my

1589
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: hat's off to you Steve, because you add an incredible

1590
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 1: amount of authenticity to that show because you won't take

1591
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 1: anything but top tier. Man. It's like, there's no fraud

1592
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 1: to this show. It's like the real deal. And it

1593
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 1: was tough enough just walking, you know, around, hanging around you,

1594
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 1: but just to keep up with you. It's it's tough

1595
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: and knowing that you want that better quality show. So

1596
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 1: when I asked you why are you making why do

1597
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 1: you do meet either? Your answer was excellent. Was for

1598
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 1: those guys who hate TV who want to see the

1599
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 1: real deal. And I may be paraphrasing it, that's what

1600
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 1: almost you know, you get like in your mind, you're

1601
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 1: sort of picture who you want. Yeah, yeah, and that's

1602
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 1: what this show is about. And of course you know,

1603
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm coming in kind of from the outside, you know,

1604
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 1: considering myself a experienced hunter man. Well not really, not

1605
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:33,959
Speaker 1: when you put yourself into Alaska, because that's an entirely

1606
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:37,599
Speaker 1: different environment. So that that, you know, I mean, there's

1607
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 1: a lot of environmental conditions that I had to get

1608
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 1: used to, like constantly having your hands cold, you know.

1609
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean you do warm up, but it's you're constantly cold.

1610
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 1: It's just just one of those things I thought you

1611
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 1: were kicking ask though, Well, I thought I did. Okay

1612
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: for a guy that's you know, my age and and

1613
01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: physical condition, all things considered. Yeah, I thought what I did.

1614
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:03,680
Speaker 1: All right, crew, acknowledge that we talking a little bit

1615
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 1: about can you hear me? Why are you wearing it

1616
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:14,320
Speaker 1: like that across your forehead? Because I've got a pointy head,

1617
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:16,880
Speaker 1: And when we get into this time period of the

1618
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 1: podcast and it's sitting right on top, it really starts

1619
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 1: to keep passing with them cold. He's yeah, um, but

1620
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 1: no about how you really haven't camped in forty plus

1621
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: years and all of a sudden you went on a

1622
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 1: nine day camping forty years Where are you camping all

1623
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 1: those how many ever? Forty years ago? That was with

1624
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 1: my dad, you know, in a tent. And then we

1625
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 1: know this isn't car camp and this is like this,

1626
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 1: this is the real deal. This is the real deal. Yeah,

1627
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean you're out there in the f and wilderness

1628
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's it's it's cold. You were a sleeping

1629
01:41:55,520 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 1: about twenty seconds every you know, Hey, there's is no kidding.

1630
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: I would lay down. I could get like a third

1631
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 1: way through my meditation. You know, I remember my son

1632
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 1: waking me up, quit snore and dad that was only

1633
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 1: one night. What's your medic what's your meditation? Uh? That's

1634
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:18,360
Speaker 1: for me. Well it's not okay, don't tell me yours.

1635
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that I meditate? What does

1636
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: that mean? Basically? I just released everything. Just I just

1637
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 1: let it afist in your head. Well I do, We're gonna, yeah,

1638
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 1: I do. I go through a little checklist, and then

1639
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 1: at the end of that checklist, I basically just I

1640
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 1: zone out. I just go to that other place. Nothing.

1641
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 1: Your checklist consists of specific things that you need to

1642
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 1: think through, or is it that you're emptying of everything

1643
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 1: that comes up? Yeah, I'm not going to share that

1644
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 1: with you. You're gonna have to develop that on your own.

1645
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: Why can't you share with me? Because it's it's a

1646
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 1: personal thing. It's what I do in the other ways.

1647
01:42:55,080 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 1: It's the way I've developed my intuition. My actue Corey

1648
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 1: will tell you. I mean, I think it's a very

1649
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 1: personalized thing. But what is the goal? And you ask

1650
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 1: the goal is nothingness, to be totally nothing, to be

1651
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 1: totally withdrawn from everything that is around you, so from all,

1652
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:24,519
Speaker 1: from emotion, from all, want to be just. I don't know,

1653
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 1: that's like the ultimate spirit that point. Are you able

1654
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 1: to meditate while hunting or do you meditate you've got

1655
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 1: to be in the dark and you're sleeping. You can.

1656
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 1: You can meditate any place point time. That's just darious

1657
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 1: levels of meditation that you can achieve. Yeah. I don't

1658
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 1: do anything like that, but I remember I read something

1659
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 1: that long ago where someone was a practitioner of meditation.

1660
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 1: Someone said to him, you know, I don't have time

1661
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 1: to meditate twenty minutes a day. He said, if you

1662
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 1: don't have time to meditate twenty minutes a day, you

1663
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: ought to be meditating two hours today. I totally agree,

1664
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 1: And basically in two minutes you can do anything that

1665
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 1: you need to do at the last Yeah, there's a

1666
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 1: lot of good stuff online. People want to check it out.

1667
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 1: I got no experience with it. I don't really to

1668
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 1: understand what it is. Well, but you're going there. I mean,

1669
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 1: you're on your own path, you know, and eventually things

1670
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: will come to you that will say, hey, you know

1671
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: what I gotta check this out. What I do do

1672
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 1: I stumbled into a Eastern practice, if you will, I

1673
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:32,559
Speaker 1: don't know if it is or not. When I can't sleep,

1674
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 1: I focus very heavily on inhaling and exhaling breath. I

1675
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: just think about, okay, like air coming in coming, in coming,

1676
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 1: in air going out, going out going, Well, that's and

1677
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 1: it makes me falseleep, so goddamn fast. I don't I

1678
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 1: don't do yoga like my son does, but I think

1679
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,640
Speaker 1: that's the ones common thing with with meditation. That's the

1680
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: simplest of all meditations, just basically concentrating on your breath,

1681
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 1: a little simple. So the last thing I want to

1682
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 1: say about you all you want the last item would

1683
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 1: be that having grown up in the Midwest, hunted in

1684
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 1: the Midwest and then in the West for big game

1685
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 1: elk and a lope and uhl, dear hanging out there

1686
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:24,680
Speaker 1: is still you kind of get the feeling that you're

1687
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 1: hunting in a box, so yuh kind of like a

1688
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,680
Speaker 1: corn flakes box. But I'm saying Midwest was definitely the

1689
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 1: corn flakes box. And then you go out west, it's

1690
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger when you when you get to Alaska,

1691
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 1: it's like somebody took the top and just ripped it

1692
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 1: right off of that corn flakes box. And there's just

1693
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:50,560
Speaker 1: no limit. I mean there is. You look around you

1694
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 1: and you go like, holy smokes man. No matter what

1695
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 1: direction I look in, it's this is it? Yea? And

1696
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:01,680
Speaker 1: that took some I'm getting used to the thing that

1697
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 1: first struck me when I started hanging around in Alaska.

1698
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 1: And it was after I started hanging around in Alaska

1699
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:10,839
Speaker 1: til my one of my older brothers, finished his schooling

1700
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 1: and went up there to as a biologist the first

1701
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 1: thing to struck me. And it still strikes me now

1702
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:22,120
Speaker 1: as you see the size of rivers, they don't have

1703
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 1: roads on them because you think about like even in

1704
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:30,600
Speaker 1: the West, there's a certain size of river, the like

1705
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 1: there's a threshold right where you get like a size

1706
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 1: of river the invariably has a road on right, right right.

1707
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 1: And the fact that you can have well the Yukon,

1708
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 1: for instance, which is a you know, drains significant portion

1709
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 1: of the conda, it is by all definitions, a mighty river.

1710
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 1: There's there's no paralleling road. Yeah. And if you imagine,

1711
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 1: like I used to think, like if I was king

1712
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 1: of the world, where my call just made. I would

1713
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:05,880
Speaker 1: take a lot of river courses in the American West,

1714
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,720
Speaker 1: and I would and I would, I would make them

1715
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 1: not roaded. If I was just able to act with

1716
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:13,600
Speaker 1: im community, you know what I mean, I would say, like,

1717
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna take this river and does that

1718
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 1: even road on it. We're gonna tear the road up,

1719
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 1: but um it will last. You have giant, mighty rivers

1720
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:25,680
Speaker 1: that you can't there's no road to go on them, right,

1721
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 1: I said to the pilot today flying out, I said,

1722
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:31,639
Speaker 1: do you think right now, still today, that there are

1723
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 1: populations of game animals, moose and whatnot that are living

1724
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 1: and dying unhunted simply because you cannot get to him?

1725
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: He said, oh, yeah, absolutely sure. Because you got a moose,

1726
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 1: you kill a moose, you have you are bound by

1727
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 1: law to move five hundred pounds of flesh out of there.

1728
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 1: So you either are gonna have to get a wheeled vehicle,

1729
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 1: or you're gonna have to get a boat, or you're

1730
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to get fixed wing aircraft because you can't

1731
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 1: and you can't use the helicopter for any aspect upon it.

1732
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:10,880
Speaker 1: You can't transport hunters, you can't transport hunting equipment. You

1733
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 1: can't transport meat has to be fixed wing aircraft, right

1734
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 1: or a horse? Did you mention a horse? Horse? So

1735
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 1: you need to get some form of conveyance there, or

1736
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 1: you're limited by what you can do on your own self.

1737
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 1: Yanni was just saying that tonight that this hunt that

1738
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 1: I experienced today probably would not have been possible except

1739
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:36,600
Speaker 1: for a very few people. What years ago? I was

1740
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 1: relating to him, how Buck, now we can do these

1741
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 1: hunts in a week because it's so easy to get

1742
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 1: in get out. We're even just twenty years ago when

1743
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 1: you wanted to come up and do this kind of hunt,

1744
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: it was gonna take a month. You know, the old

1745
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 1: old guys would say that Alaska was ruined by the

1746
01:48:56,479 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 1: bush plane. Um Buck bow who we were talking about,

1747
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:05,280
Speaker 1: being a moose expert, moose caller. Buck Bowden one day

1748
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: was saying to me just a couple months ago, in fact,

1749
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 1: I was at his place in the southern Alaska Range,

1750
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:14,719
Speaker 1: and he was saying, you know, the really true hunting,

1751
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 1: the true hunt ended thirty four years ago, And I said,

1752
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 1: what was the true hunting? He goes, before we had

1753
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:27,320
Speaker 1: satellite phones and stuff. He goes because back then that

1754
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:30,679
Speaker 1: was like the exploration. You could still ride a horse

1755
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:35,679
Speaker 1: and go in and fly in and ride a horse

1756
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:40,679
Speaker 1: in and hunt stuff knowing and hunted in modern times,

1757
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 1: and he said, the sad phone ruined it because as

1758
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 1: a guide, we used to wave goodbye to that plane

1759
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:50,280
Speaker 1: and it was gonna be ten days, twenty days, and

1760
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:52,680
Speaker 1: there was no change in anything. It was when that

1761
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 1: plane took off, it was gone, and you had a

1762
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 1: rendezvous to meet that plane at a specified point in

1763
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:02,559
Speaker 1: ten or twenty days, and then you just hunted. He said,

1764
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:07,800
Speaker 1: Now a lot of clients get their thing and they

1765
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:11,240
Speaker 1: can't get out of there quick enough, and they're on

1766
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:14,439
Speaker 1: the phone. He'll even say let's go get a caribou,

1767
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 1: let's go look for a bear, and they're like, well,

1768
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:18,680
Speaker 1: let's get the hell out of here. I got what

1769
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:22,799
Speaker 1: I'm after, And he said it really started to sour

1770
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 1: things for him that long ago. So it's always like,

1771
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, wolt from our perspective, like I guess there

1772
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 1: that we're like, I'll always be that I experienced the

1773
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 1: good old days, right, And there'll be some as yet

1774
01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:38,120
Speaker 1: undeveloped technology and then in ten years or twenty years

1775
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 1: I'll be sitting around saying that I had it during

1776
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 1: the good days and now it's all messed up because

1777
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:46,400
Speaker 1: of unknown At least we didn't have cell phones out there.

1778
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I can imagine one day where for some

1779
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:54,720
Speaker 1: sort of satellite whatever, I can't send a tax can't

1780
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:56,680
Speaker 1: make a phone call. So yeah, you can make a

1781
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 1: phone call on a satellite phone. But yeah, so someday

1782
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 1: we'll be like, man, it used to be why I

1783
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:03,479
Speaker 1: couldn't send a you know, text messenger or whatever. You're

1784
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:06,639
Speaker 1: making up for it tonight though, that's right, But don't

1785
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:09,880
Speaker 1: feel bad, Rick, I can't tonight yet either. So all right,

1786
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 1: that's good. I'm making Yeah, I'm bouncing out though. Yeah.

1787
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 1: A concluding thought, he got his headset back on, right?

1788
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 1: Was it the wolverine think about taking the two femurs?

1789
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:32,200
Speaker 1: My closing thought is a question. I have a theory

1790
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 1: about this. Did he take the two femurs or was

1791
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 1: it just coincidence and or randomness? I think you could

1792
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 1: move those front legs because of the shoulder blades just

1793
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 1: too damn big with that scapula and everything. That's my theory.

1794
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 1: He's got four legs. I should call my brother who

1795
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:51,240
Speaker 1: does a lot of statistics work through work for work.

1796
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:55,080
Speaker 1: What are the chances if you have four objects? Rick

1797
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:58,760
Speaker 1: Ricker Bill hear this out? What are the chances that

1798
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:03,160
Speaker 1: he grabbed the two back legs? What are the odds

1799
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 1: you have four objects? What are the odds that two

1800
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 1: of them, two specified ones get picked? I don't know.

1801
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:10,719
Speaker 1: What are your combinations? One you can grab one front,

1802
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:17,879
Speaker 1: one back, two fronts or two backs? Yes, there's only three.

1803
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:21,760
Speaker 1: You have two a's and two bees, and someone has

1804
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 1: two picks and they happen to grab two bees. What

1805
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 1: are the odds that they're gonna grab two? Aren't bad odd?

1806
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 1: Is it? But you're not talking about a human being,

1807
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:32,519
Speaker 1: You're talking about an animal. You know, you trip me

1808
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 1: up about statistics. That was still the same probability, right,

1809
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if it was random, I'm saying, I don't think.

1810
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:41,839
Speaker 1: In my mind, I haven't thought, oh it was randomness.

1811
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,080
Speaker 1: But here's nothing my brother talks about oftentimes because he's

1812
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 1: very involved in you probabilities that we find patterns. He

1813
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:51,680
Speaker 1: thinks fly fishermen are fishermen, not fly fishermen are more

1814
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 1: guilty of this than most. We see patterns where no

1815
01:52:55,400 --> 01:53:00,439
Speaker 1: pattern exists. Oh, they were coming on Shard Truce and

1816
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they were coming on Olive.

1817
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 1: He's like, I think that it has a lot to

1818
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:09,720
Speaker 1: do with coincidence and what was going on, and like

1819
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:12,439
Speaker 1: maybe one of you you were running three different things

1820
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:14,880
Speaker 1: and some guy cast at Chartreuss and someone caught one

1821
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 1: on and then everybody put a Chartruss on and later

1822
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 1: appeared as though Chartruss. But you know, it's the classic

1823
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:26,360
Speaker 1: correlation causation issue. It's rampant. But with the wolverine, I

1824
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 1: feel that I just might drive him nuts were he

1825
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 1: here right now. I feel as though there's something about that.

1826
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:35,560
Speaker 1: It was easy to drag those back legs off, and

1827
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: the capitoles were hard to manage. I don't know. Maybe

1828
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 1: they taste yeah, maybe they taste better. And that's what

1829
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:43,599
Speaker 1: John he was driving at. But oh yeah, he's thinking

1830
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 1: there's more more. He's handled enough carcasses to know what's

1831
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:52,000
Speaker 1: got the goods? Were they too closest bones? What was

1832
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,680
Speaker 1: interesting about because BRONI and I went and looked for

1833
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: it for him one last time last night, right at dusk,

1834
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:01,800
Speaker 1: and I pulled that high over that carcass that hide

1835
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 1: was still pulled over the rib ken. He so he

1836
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:09,320
Speaker 1: hadn't gone through the pain to go do that, to

1837
01:54:09,400 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 1: dig inside there too. For whatever reason, he's like, no,

1838
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm taking these four lower legs and I'm gonna go

1839
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:20,919
Speaker 1: stash him. I think, and this again me, I'm not anthropomorphizing,

1840
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:25,479
Speaker 1: but I'm I think that when when a critic like

1841
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 1: that shows up, I think that he, through experience, knows

1842
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,920
Speaker 1: that a bigger bed or something's gonna show up the

1843
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 1: same way like a gray j they're the first of

1844
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 1: the carcass. They get displaced, no doubt by the ravens.

1845
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:42,160
Speaker 1: The ravens are gonna get displaced. The ravens we saw

1846
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:47,080
Speaker 1: get displaced by the wolverine. The wolverine has to know

1847
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:50,920
Speaker 1: from experience that when you find something, a very good

1848
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 1: approach is to get that ship out of there before

1849
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 1: the grizzly shows up. So they're known to every now

1850
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 1: and then. Yeah, but I'm sure are like like the

1851
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:05,000
Speaker 1: fact that he was dragging it way across the hillside

1852
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:08,000
Speaker 1: down into wherever he was dragging it. He was getting

1853
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 1: it away from something. Sure, and we know that that

1854
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 1: he was dragging I know that he was dragging it,

1855
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 1: but we saw him dragging parts off. So I don't know.

1856
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm trying as I try to make

1857
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:23,600
Speaker 1: sense out of other things I observed in a somewhat

1858
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 1: unscientific fashion, informed maybe by some amount of science. I

1859
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:28,760
Speaker 1: feel like there's something like that going on. It just

1860
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:32,360
Speaker 1: happens that when I saw the other wolverine that I

1861
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 1: saw four years ago, and he was doing the same thing,

1862
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:44,760
Speaker 1: he was cashing parts off caribou kills. Was there any

1863
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:48,640
Speaker 1: rhyme for reason why he was hauling away? No. The

1864
01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:50,760
Speaker 1: first thing I saw him hauling away, which just like

1865
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 1: before I get my spot and scope on him, I

1866
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 1: could not, for the life of me figure out what

1867
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 1: animal was looking at because he was hauling away a

1868
01:55:57,120 --> 01:56:00,200
Speaker 1: whole half a neck and a whole head of a

1869
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 1: cow cariboo that still had you know, her antlers on

1870
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 1: her head. You see that dragon along the ground. No,

1871
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean, this dude was like just moving and I'm

1872
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 1: looking at it, and I just could not, like, because

1873
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 1: you're seeing white, you're seeing antler and just like you're

1874
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:18,920
Speaker 1: just like running through the species in your head. Yeah,

1875
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 1: and you know black animal in the snow and it

1876
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:26,320
Speaker 1: wasn't Yeah, exactly, pretty much like this weird jack little thing.

1877
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:28,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, finally that spot ands go bind. I'm like,

1878
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:33,080
Speaker 1: oh Wolverin hearing ahead, Sure, why did I think of that?

1879
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:36,240
Speaker 1: And we watched him for you know, we're probably watched

1880
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:38,440
Speaker 1: him make four or five trips. He would go into

1881
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 1: like this kind of a draw that later we skied

1882
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 1: by it and you could see kind of had like

1883
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:45,280
Speaker 1: a crevasse almost, you know, kind of he had like

1884
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 1: a little stat like just a dark hole that he

1885
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 1: was going down into, and we watched him make four

1886
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 1: or five trips putting cariboo parts in there. This is

1887
01:56:54,440 --> 01:57:00,320
Speaker 1: up around the Arctic Circle. Yeah, north Arctic Circle, um,

1888
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 1: north side of the Brooks Range south and north north. Uh.

1889
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 1: Is that your concluding thought? Yeah, that's a good addition

1890
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:14,720
Speaker 1: to the story, Corey. Uh, since we I think it's

1891
01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:18,960
Speaker 1: just just fake. Sorry it's late, but we just finished

1892
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:21,880
Speaker 1: up a father's son meat either. It's just a good

1893
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:27,160
Speaker 1: reminder I think that I take for granted your loved

1894
01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 1: ones or your family members, and you know, set aside

1895
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:32,920
Speaker 1: some time and you're busy schedules, maybe to go do

1896
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 1: an adventure with them, or you know, just get out

1897
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:41,040
Speaker 1: there and enjoy each other's company while you can that's

1898
01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:44,080
Speaker 1: I thought about that a lot. I think about a

1899
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:45,480
Speaker 1: lot of I think about my father a lot all

1900
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 1: the time. I thought about like how much he would

1901
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:51,080
Speaker 1: have enjoyed a trip like that. Yeah. No, I heard

1902
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:54,120
Speaker 1: it once in a hunting camp reaction in Mexico guiden

1903
01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 1: cous deer and there's a father son combo there and

1904
01:57:57,000 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 1: they said one of the biggest reasons they like to

1905
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:02,640
Speaker 1: go hunting together was for the windshield time. Because when

1906
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:05,200
Speaker 1: they're on the hunt, they're like pretty hard, they're hardcore

1907
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 1: hunters and their hunt, but they're like, yeah, we always

1908
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:11,200
Speaker 1: drive everywhere, So there's like this time, this time period

1909
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:13,160
Speaker 1: with it that they don't have in their lives anymore,

1910
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:16,600
Speaker 1: without kids and wives and life and work and stuff

1911
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 1: going on. So they get to get in the truck

1912
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 1: together and drive six or twelve or two days time

1913
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:28,080
Speaker 1: and have winshow time and just get to talk. Yeah. Yeah, hunting.

1914
01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 1: I mean for me and my father, it's it created

1915
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,960
Speaker 1: this situation last ten fifteen years where we spent time

1916
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:38,320
Speaker 1: together where that we wouldn't have otherwise. You know, best

1917
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:42,280
Speaker 1: hunt I was ever on was when he shot that,

1918
01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:47,080
Speaker 1: and nothing I've ever s like, no hunt I've ever

1919
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:52,120
Speaker 1: been been on is compared to that. You know, Well,

1920
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:54,640
Speaker 1: that's true because I now kind of every year we

1921
01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:56,920
Speaker 1: tried to get up to Wisconsin and I have a

1922
01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:01,160
Speaker 1: turkey hunt. I do with both my sons and other people,

1923
01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:04,920
Speaker 1: but primarily with them, and it's yeah, it's enjoyable time.

1924
01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:08,600
Speaker 1: And they're you know, it's not like they're little kids anymore.

1925
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm learning it's valuable, especially that it's different when you're

1926
01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:16,760
Speaker 1: when you're both adults. You know, it's not like dad

1927
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:21,000
Speaker 1: taking the twelve year old right now. It's right. Yeah,

1928
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:25,480
Speaker 1: maybe thinks that's that's the problem is I never got

1929
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:27,880
Speaker 1: with my own with my own dad. I never got

1930
01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:30,280
Speaker 1: beyond that point like I got to be the age,

1931
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, and then we moved like we just moved away.

1932
01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:36,160
Speaker 1: So I never had like, uh, I never took the

1933
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:39,320
Speaker 1: time really except for like hunting rabbits and small game

1934
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 1: for five six hours. Never took the time to go

1935
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:45,120
Speaker 1: out like as adults. Then he died. We'll just hanging

1936
01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:47,000
Speaker 1: out with Joannie Senior. We'll give you some more of

1937
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:53,080
Speaker 1: this good, right. I mean there's two two things. One

1938
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, as a non hunter, I've really enjoyed getting

1939
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 1: to hang out with the like, I don't know, hunting

1940
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:05,520
Speaker 1: cultured humans like progressive hunters that are getting after it,

1941
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:10,840
Speaker 1: and I feel like doing it in a way that's, um,

1942
02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can see myself pursuing hunting in

1943
02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:17,960
Speaker 1: a way that I haven't before. And one just mostly

1944
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:26,640
Speaker 1: wolves and wolverines totally all the Yeah, and omnivorce. Yeah,

1945
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:30,080
Speaker 1: let's not about the omnivorce. Um No, But I just

1946
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:32,320
Speaker 1: I do look forward to that point where I'm gonna,

1947
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:35,600
Speaker 1: i don't know, kill kill something and eat it and

1948
02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:39,960
Speaker 1: cook it up. And it's just it's such a cool process,

1949
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:43,480
Speaker 1: um to be a part of. So that's that's on

1950
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:48,000
Speaker 1: the one hand. And then ye, you still talk to him. Yeah, yeah,

1951
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:51,240
Speaker 1: he would. He would have not wanted to hike around.

1952
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:53,760
Speaker 1: He would have he would have been camp cook. Yeah,

1953
02:00:53,800 --> 02:00:55,640
Speaker 1: he would have been happy to cook up some good stuff,

1954
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:58,160
Speaker 1: put some butter on some bone marrow. He would have

1955
02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:00,800
Speaker 1: loved that. But he would have but he would have

1956
02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:04,720
Speaker 1: not really wanted to hike around. Yeah, I mean he

1957
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:09,640
Speaker 1: would have done it maybe, But that being said, the

1958
02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:14,080
Speaker 1: other thing was the Latvian part of this episode, Like

1959
02:01:15,120 --> 02:01:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean we sort of like joke about it when

1960
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 1: you guys are. I mean, I'm listening to your audio

1961
02:01:19,960 --> 02:01:24,839
Speaker 1: all the time, and so no, well, when they're on camera,

1962
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:29,080
Speaker 1: the Jans when they're on camera would speak English, but

1963
02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:32,480
Speaker 1: as soon as soon as they walked off almost always

1964
02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:36,320
Speaker 1: just bust right into Latvian. And to listen to that,

1965
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:38,680
Speaker 1: it's just like, I don't know if there's something fulfilling

1966
02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:45,720
Speaker 1: about um, about a culture that has kind of maintained

1967
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:53,120
Speaker 1: its language. And I mean Janice Jr. Yanka, I mean,

1968
02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 1: he was born in the States, his dad was born

1969
02:01:56,000 --> 02:02:00,920
Speaker 1: in the States, but still speaks Fian And I think

1970
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:05,760
Speaker 1: that that seems rare that that would still that would happen, right.

1971
02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:10,640
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of second generation immigrants sort

1972
02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:15,760
Speaker 1: of uh have a really tough relationship with their um

1973
02:02:15,920 --> 02:02:20,960
Speaker 1: first language. I think just because of trying to assimilate uh.

1974
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:25,160
Speaker 1: So to see to see Yanka and kind of embrace

1975
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:29,560
Speaker 1: speaking Latvian, it's just it's I feel like I'm jealous

1976
02:02:29,600 --> 02:02:32,240
Speaker 1: in some ways. It's such a cool thing to be

1977
02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:35,880
Speaker 1: able to have your your guy's own like I don't know,

1978
02:02:36,240 --> 02:02:44,840
Speaker 1: a little incret, secret, freaking coded, ancient, unrelated language. It's

1979
02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:46,960
Speaker 1: weird to listen to because they'll be doing their thing

1980
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:49,560
Speaker 1: and then like an English word will pop up in

1981
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:51,800
Speaker 1: the middle of a sentence and it just sounds wrong.

1982
02:02:52,880 --> 02:03:02,520
Speaker 1: Copy and then Latin. Yeah, yeah, so I just enjoyed.

1983
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:05,360
Speaker 1: I didn't enjoyed the whole The whole deal was good.

1984
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:08,480
Speaker 1: What was the charm you were given? Steve? Oh? Yeah,

1985
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:11,240
Speaker 1: can you tell that that secret charm? Well, it's not

1986
02:03:11,320 --> 02:03:14,440
Speaker 1: a secret charm, it's just a well known charm. It's

1987
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:17,640
Speaker 1: actually or whatever it is. I didn't tell you the

1988
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:19,800
Speaker 1: full story. I thought. I didn't want to spoil it

1989
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:22,120
Speaker 1: for just don't tell a story. Just blessed this here

1990
02:03:22,160 --> 02:03:25,160
Speaker 1: beer bottle or not blessed, but whatever it was, And

1991
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:27,600
Speaker 1: I can't do that with a beer bottle, not the

1992
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:30,960
Speaker 1: it's it's the mystique. Could you tell people? Would you

1993
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:35,360
Speaker 1: mind telling listeners what it was? The incant whatever? Yeah?

1994
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:38,920
Speaker 1: I just the words you uttered when when when giving

1995
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:42,000
Speaker 1: my when setting things in moment. But I have to

1996
02:03:42,040 --> 02:03:43,600
Speaker 1: do the whole thing. But I have to tell you

1997
02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:46,800
Speaker 1: this what it is that I told? Yeah, I will,

1998
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:51,520
Speaker 1: I will know. So this incantation is nothing more than

1999
02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:56,040
Speaker 1: a little ditty that you use with small children that

2000
02:03:56,160 --> 02:04:00,240
Speaker 1: when you're deciding which one is it. So it was like,

2001
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:12,920
Speaker 1: thank good dank coold really do bricks. So now you

2002
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:19,080
Speaker 1: because I mean believer out of you for that moment,

2003
02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:26,240
Speaker 1: I changed your acceptance of that and you you believed it.

2004
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:28,760
Speaker 1: You were right there, man, because you have you do

2005
02:04:28,760 --> 02:04:37,440
Speaker 1: it twice. You remember when he said did you crosswater?

2006
02:04:37,560 --> 02:04:41,160
Speaker 1: You're like, He's like, oh God, you crosswater right washed

2007
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:45,640
Speaker 1: it away. So I don't care. You want to you

2008
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:47,360
Speaker 1: want to put that. I mean there's a lot of

2009
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:51,800
Speaker 1: in that context. You get it. So if I make

2010
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:53,280
Speaker 1: a book and say this is the book of you,

2011
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:55,080
Speaker 1: honest man, this is the way you gotta do it.

2012
02:04:55,760 --> 02:04:58,040
Speaker 1: If you're a believer, you're gonna do it that way,

2013
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:06,880
Speaker 1: i'd priority concluding thoughts. Yeah, obviously this whole things about Alaska.

2014
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:10,320
Speaker 1: And when people talk about Alaska, they talk about it

2015
02:05:10,360 --> 02:05:16,360
Speaker 1: as this like all encompassing, like umbrella kind of word.

2016
02:05:17,200 --> 02:05:20,720
Speaker 1: And my experience with Alaska up until this point was

2017
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:24,680
Speaker 1: at your cabin in southeast Alaska, which couldn't be more

2018
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:29,800
Speaker 1: different from where we were in the Alaska Range. And

2019
02:05:30,040 --> 02:05:33,080
Speaker 1: like it's almost a disservice to say I went to

2020
02:05:33,160 --> 02:05:35,720
Speaker 1: Alaska because people just get whatever they're gonna get in

2021
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:40,280
Speaker 1: their heads. Some some nature documentary about Denali or whatever.

2022
02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:45,480
Speaker 1: And Alaska has like I don't know how many, like

2023
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:53,120
Speaker 1: Southeast Alaska, Interior Alaska, Arctic Alaska, and it's just big. Yeah.

2024
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:57,920
Speaker 1: And so it's so different to the Yeah, and it

2025
02:05:58,040 --> 02:06:02,040
Speaker 1: was amazing to see that that different friends experience. It

2026
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:05,440
Speaker 1: makes you want to see different more different places going Alaska.

2027
02:06:06,280 --> 02:06:10,360
Speaker 1: Do you had a good time? Hell? Yeah, Yeah, it

2028
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:15,960
Speaker 1: was impressive, even though you know he passed up on

2029
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:23,840
Speaker 1: all three times. Uh My concluding thought it kind of

2030
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:25,360
Speaker 1: has to do with fathers and sons. We just talked

2031
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:27,080
Speaker 1: about this R day and I can't get it out

2032
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:29,080
Speaker 1: of my head. It's not something that I came up with.

2033
02:06:29,120 --> 02:06:32,440
Speaker 1: But mo Um, who we work with quite a bit

2034
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:37,160
Speaker 1: over the years, was was talking about having kids and

2035
02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:41,200
Speaker 1: he was saying that how when you have kids, and

2036
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:44,680
Speaker 1: he has young kids, they're my kids ages. He's like,

2037
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:47,720
Speaker 1: when you have kids, all you wish upon them is

2038
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:52,840
Speaker 1: that they'd be happy, you know, and you don't, like

2039
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:54,520
Speaker 1: he said, he was talking about how you don't spell

2040
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:57,200
Speaker 1: it out. You don't spell out like oh I wanted to,

2041
02:06:57,240 --> 02:06:58,920
Speaker 1: you know. He's just like, no, just it's just that,

2042
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:02,040
Speaker 1: like that's all I is one gonna be happy whatever

2043
02:07:02,080 --> 02:07:05,640
Speaker 1: that means for them, you know, and then later in life,

2044
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, later life, when you're when you're looking at

2045
02:07:08,200 --> 02:07:11,360
Speaker 1: your own life, you get into all these specifics, like

2046
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:13,800
Speaker 1: you want if you don't want this truck, I want

2047
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:17,840
Speaker 1: this house, all these specific things you want, and you

2048
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:20,240
Speaker 1: lose started that original idea that you would have upon

2049
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:21,800
Speaker 1: your own children, be like, oh, I just want them

2050
02:07:21,800 --> 02:07:25,320
Speaker 1: to be happy. It's just you don't talk about you

2051
02:07:25,320 --> 02:07:28,000
Speaker 1: don't use that term anymore. You know, you're something like

2052
02:07:28,080 --> 02:07:31,160
Speaker 1: things that will write. But you're saying that now that

2053
02:07:31,240 --> 02:07:32,880
Speaker 1: he knows, that's just the side note to where he's

2054
02:07:32,920 --> 02:07:34,760
Speaker 1: the point he's making with me that's really stuck with me.

2055
02:07:35,240 --> 02:07:38,840
Speaker 1: You're saying that now that he has kids and he

2056
02:07:38,920 --> 02:07:42,600
Speaker 1: knows how badly he wants his kids to just be happy,

2057
02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:48,840
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, now I understand how my parents must

2058
02:07:48,840 --> 02:07:52,480
Speaker 1: have felt, right. They must have just looked at me

2059
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:56,080
Speaker 1: and all they ever wanted was for me to be happy.

2060
02:07:56,960 --> 02:07:58,680
Speaker 1: And he was saying, and now I'm at a point

2061
02:07:58,680 --> 02:08:03,320
Speaker 1: in life we're I am. It's like, and I'm gonna

2062
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:05,800
Speaker 1: make a point to go and say, you know what,

2063
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:10,360
Speaker 1: I'm happy because now that I'm a parent, I realized

2064
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:14,080
Speaker 1: how much that probably means to you, you know, got

2065
02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:18,320
Speaker 1: it because it's an interesting observation. He's like, that's the

2066
02:08:18,440 --> 02:08:20,840
Speaker 1: least I could do for my parents is to let

2067
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:23,960
Speaker 1: them know that the thing they obsessed over all through

2068
02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:27,080
Speaker 1: bringing me up has come true. It's like they did it,

2069
02:08:27,480 --> 02:08:29,920
Speaker 1: you know. So you bring up an interesting questions and

2070
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:33,280
Speaker 1: that question is very obvious to me. Did your father

2071
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:38,680
Speaker 1: ever know about your finding your happiness right? And that's

2072
02:08:38,720 --> 02:08:41,320
Speaker 1: probably your biggest regret is that, Yeah, I have a

2073
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:44,560
Speaker 1: million regrets, man, millions of No, it's probably not a million,

2074
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:48,600
Speaker 1: but I had a shipload of regrets. Uh No, because

2075
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:51,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't I was. I was in Um I took

2076
02:08:53,560 --> 02:08:57,360
Speaker 1: at that period, I had in my head something I

2077
02:08:57,400 --> 02:09:00,800
Speaker 1: wanted to do and it and it was it seemed

2078
02:09:00,920 --> 02:09:03,920
Speaker 1: like a moon shot. It seemed impossible. So I think

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Speaker 1: he saw me. Um, he definitely saw me struggling towards

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Speaker 1: something that was that I thought was impossible, and he

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Speaker 1: was very encouraging that I go and do it. Never

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Speaker 1: put anything oh my parents, listen, that's good. My mom,

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Speaker 1: uh my mom. My dad never laid any bullshit on

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Speaker 1: any of us about you need to do this and

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Speaker 1: you need to do that. And that's you're just dreaming

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Speaker 1: and that's not how the real nothing like that. Ever,

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Speaker 1: They're like, you gotta find something you love to do

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Speaker 1: and go do it. My mom was always the encourager

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Speaker 1: and the dad said, now you need to go, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you need to be a doctor. My mom and dad

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Speaker 1: never laid any of that bullshit on us. Ever. My

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Speaker 1: dad think always said this is that you're gonna spend

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Speaker 1: the third year life working. He was actually off, I

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Speaker 1: feel like I spent a lot more than that. He said,

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Speaker 1: you just spent a third year life working. You better

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Speaker 1: do something you like. Correct. That was the only career

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Speaker 1: advice he ever gave, But he gave it adamantly, and

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Speaker 1: the same thing like, you know, we never heard from

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Speaker 1: our folks, you know, and you know my mom thankfully,

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Speaker 1: I'm still talking to my mom and she's you know, ever,

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Speaker 1: never just like, do stuff you like, find a way

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Speaker 1: to take what you like and make it pay. The

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Speaker 1: advice I give out now when I give out, if

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Speaker 1: I have a chance to give advice out to people,

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Speaker 1: which comes up now, and then I'm always like, man,

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Speaker 1: you gotta figure out what plan A is and forget

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Speaker 1: about plan B, because plan B is gonna be cheaper

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Speaker 1: and ease, cheaper and easier, and keep you from plan

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Speaker 1: You're gonna go, You'll you'll wind up. It has a

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Speaker 1: tremendous gravitational pull Plan B. Does you know don't you

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Speaker 1: think that? Uh? Like you guys are saying tell your

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Speaker 1: parents that you are happy, I think it wouldn't be nice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But but I'm saying, but wouldn't it. I think it's

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Speaker 1: just as important to tell your kids I'm happy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a good point, you know, when you're not screaming

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Speaker 1: at listen, catch up, catch up, catch up? You ever

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Speaker 1: heard that word? And I'm happy? Okay to wrap up?

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Speaker 1: Will you say we just went moose hunting and now

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