WEBVTT - Clue 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:03.840 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:07.880 women inum, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:13.000 Or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.079 changing it with the beck Del Cast. I know who 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:23.200 did it? Who was it? It was Caitlin in the 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:29.480 bedroom with the microphone. Yeah, by it do you mean 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.640 recorded a podcast? Because if so, then yes, it was 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:40.320 me who did it. Yes, and that past the Bechdel Test. Well, 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.879 welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus, 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.599 my name is Caitlin Darrante, and this is our feminist 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.159 movie podcast where we use the Bechdel Test as a 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:52.559 jumping off point to analyze famous movies. We're we're in 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.960 the quarantine zone, as is everyone at this point. Um, 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.640 So you know, I don't know. I don't remember life 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:05.960 before this anymore. I don't either. So we had hinted 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:10.360 possibly doing this movie during our National Treasure episode, right, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.720 because we're just trying to stick to the romps. We're 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.440 trying to stick to the romps. I feel like it's 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.240 particularly fitting in the Quarantine because it's a movie pretty 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.720 much exclusively taking place in one location, one house, no 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.520 one really leaves. Some people come in and then they 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.640 die their self. Yeah, and that's what you get when 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.679 it's a metaphor. They weren't wearing masks when they came in, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.200 and they didn't wash their hands. They did not. They 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.279 didn't know when you don't see anyone wash a single 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.920 hand and the house looks not you know, it's all 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.640 it's inherently dirty. And and there's a doctor present. He 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.880 should know better. He should be telling people there's literally 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:52.800 someone from the World Health Organization there, and and he's 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:58.080 not like scrub scrub, big issues, big problems. Obviously that 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.760 that's just the beginning of the critique we'll be talking 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.520 about today. And this are like our first who done it? 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.480 So this will be a fun episode. Um, But first 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.680 we should tell you what the Bechdel test is. Sure, Caitlyn, 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.200 do you remember what it is? Oh? No, it is 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:19.200 flipping my mind if memory serves. It is a media 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.600 metrics sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test. It requires that 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:28.399 two female identifying characters have to have names such as 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:36.600 Mrs Peacock, Miss Scarlet, Mrs White, the Cook, the the 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:42.320 nameless cook. They have to speak to each other and 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:46.280 that conversation cannot be about a man. I want to 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.120 see if we can figure out the Bechdel Test version 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.200 of the of crimes. Here, here's a pitch. Okay, please, Yeah, 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.120 if two women with names commit a crime that has 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.400 nothing to do with a man, it passes the Bechtel 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.960 test crime edition. Crime edition. Yeah, I'm into that, right. 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.360 I don't think that any of the crimes would pass 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.800 the Bechtel Test crime edition in this movie, in this 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.320 particular movie where it's it's usually connected to a husband 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.480 or something like like with Miss Scarlett, it was like 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.720 men were always tangential to what was happening for sure. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.280 You know, we've got to do better. We've got to 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:30.560 do better crimes. Although if the crimes are committed against 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.600 men who are behaving badly, that that's okay to me. 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.520 I think men should be stolen from and like, that's true. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.680 But then most of the women in the movie, everyone 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.200 in this movie is basically bad, so you're like, Okay, 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:49.320 everyone's rich, so that's not you know, except for the 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.080 cook who and we don't even get to know what 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.800 her name is. You know, she's the only woman of 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.400 color in the movie too. Yeah, and she's killed and 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.800 made fun of fuck John Wanna than Lynn? God damn it? 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:04.680 All right, Well, we have a lot to talk about 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:09.080 and no guests today, just us today, So the girls, Jamie, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:13.600 what is your relationship history with the movie Clue? I 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.040 liked this movie. I didn't see it like when I 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.240 was growing up or anything like that, but I've seen it. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.280 I think like it's like a good comfort movie. I 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.520 love Who Done It? And thrillers and stuff like that, 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.719 so a comedy Who Done It's right up my alley. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.320 I think I've seen it, like yeah, like three or 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:34.040 four times. I rewatched it, most recently after seeing Knives Out, 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.560 which I think that I mean, I was not alone here, 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:40.120 but I watched or rewatched a ton of Who Done 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.760 It's after Knives Out came out because I really really 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.640 liked Knives Out same, I loved it. So yeah, there, 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.240 I'm a I'm a clue head, I'm a Who Done It? Head? 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:52.000 What about you? I also didn't grow up with it, 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.600 but I saw it sometime, I think, in like my 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.520 late teen years for the first time, and I think 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.479 it was just that once that I saw it, I 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.320 remember thinking it was fun. But like I also, I 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.040 didn't play the game really at all. Ever, growing up, 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.760 I think maybe I did play the game, not heavily. 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.560 It's more of an operation kid. Yeah, I was a 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:19.360 scrabble kid myself smart. That's smart kid culture. Well, it's 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.760 why I went on to later get a master's degree 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.400 in screenwriting, which I hate to bring up, but there 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.160 it is, us one degree. Heads were just poking at 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:31.159 the guy's like liver in Operation and they're like, he's dead. 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.640 I forgot. I don't forget how that game works. That's 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.640 more or less it. If you lose Operation, does he die? Oh? 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.400 That's yeah, what are the stakes? I don't lose? Does 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:46.560 a man die? That's really dark. I actually don't remember. 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.720 I haven't played in stuff. Oh, Jamie, I played a 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:55.120 Shrek version of Operation. Oh. I forgot about that. It 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:59.080 was right before I had my sludge surgery. For those 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.160 of you who don't know what I'm talking about, get 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:06.000 with the program the whole podcast about it. But I 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.480 had my gall bladder removed. Um, but I was told 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.640 that I had sludge in my gallbladder. Anyway, It was 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.320 a whole thing. But the Shrek, So you perform operations 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:19.680 on Shrek and right around where a person or Ogre's 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:24.240 gall bladder would be it said, like slugs. So it 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.080 looked not unlike sludge, and you had to remove the 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.080 slugs out of his gall bladder area. And it was like, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.800 so the Shrek operation game was kind of like an 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:39.120 oracle for you. Yeah, exactly. I never forget Shrek. Actually 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:40.880 I don't, now that we're talking about it. I think 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.560 I've only played the Clue board game proper a few times, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:49.080 but I did. My cousins had Simpson's Clue, and so 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.120 that was just like you could be like Mr Burns 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.280 did it. That's it. It was fun. It's a fun game, 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.480 and it's a fun movie. I'm excited to talk about 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.479 it in this whole genre. I do love who done 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:06.039 it indeed, and also, um, I know we'll probably go 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.720 through all of them. But for in case you're not 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.920 familiar with the stick of this movie, there's three different endings, 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.200 and so if you went to theaters in you would 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.240 have seen one of the three endings. But in the 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.560 in the cut that we that they distribute, now you 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.600 just the three endings in a row and kind of 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:29.080 like none of them makes sense or satisfying. Um, So 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:33.760 that's part of the thing. Yes, indeed, so should I 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.720 recap it somehow? I don't know this is this is 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:40.360 a difficult movie, do it, But I'll do what I can. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.760 Thank Yes, same. We have no guest mucking up the 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:50.800 place today, so we should be fine. No disrespect to 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:56.000 all of our wonderful guests. What if this was the 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.480 What if we did have a guest and they tried 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:05.480 to murder us? Oh? Wow? Things. I don't know about 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:10.520 everyone else, but my mental state is unraveling. Oh I'm 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:19.000 deteriorating rapidly, really having some weird thoughts. Weird weird thoughts. Oh, yes, yeah, 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:23.280 well bear with us, okay, yep. So the movie Clue starts. 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.120 We're in New England. Ever heard of it? Yea, it's 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.280 nineteen fifty four, the year that my mother was born. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:35.240 Shout out to Laurie. Hi, Laurie. Yeah. It's a dark 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:39.640 and stormy night. And Wadsworth the butler played by Tim 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:44.800 Curry our king and Icon also the the second most 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.439 popular Tim Curry movie that starts on a dark and 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.480 stormy night in a mansion. Wait, the other one being 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:55.080 Oh Rocky Harker, Oh my gosh, yeah, he's all about 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.400 that dark and stormy mansion. Yeah, Tim Curry, he does 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.439 just kind of look like he belonged in a dark 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.040 and stormy mansion. That's true, it makes sense. It does 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.880 make sense. Yeah. Um. So he arrives at said mansion 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.000 because there's a dinner party that night. He and other 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:14.320 staff members are making preparations. He checks in on the 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.600 maide A k Yvette, then he checks in with the cook. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:24.360 Guests start arriving. They've all received a letter from a 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:28.880 man who lives at the mansion question Mark and has 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.000 invited them to this dinner party. He has given them 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:36.000 all an alias, so when the guests arrive, they are 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:41.160 addressed as Colonel Mustard. He gets there first. That's Martin 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:49.000 Mole icon Gene Parmesan from Arrested Development So Good. Next 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:53.600 to arrive is Mrs White that's Madeline Cohn, then Mrs 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:58.000 Peacock played by Eileen Brennan in Year. For a second, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.480 you're like Susan Sir Randon, because you're so to seeing 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.960 her in Tim curry movies about dark and stormy nights. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.000 But it's not her. See, I think miss Scarlett looks 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.600 like it's right, that's who I was talking, That's who 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.600 I was talking about Mrs Peacock is has like the 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.280 feathered hat. It is very hard to keep the character's 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.760 names straight, truly, is I kept My notes might be 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:21.960 jumbled also because most of them, I would say, except 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:26.280 for Mrs Peacock, have a name that is related to 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:31.040 a color, either a color specifically or like mustard yellow. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.240 Of course, there's Mr Green, he shows up. Next, there's 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:38.000 Mrs White, Miss Scarlett, that's a color, and then Professor 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:42.760 Plum Plum purple purple, but no one wears the color 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.800 of the name that they are given, which is um rude. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.720 So then Mr Green shows up. That's Michael McKean. And 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.680 then outside down the road we have Miss Scarlett that's 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:01.840 Leslie and Warren. She has car trouble, and then Professor 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.240 Plum played by Christopher Lloyd, who was having a great 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.000 year in Because this is also when Back to the 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.000 Future came out. Yeah, I think that if Back to 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.160 the Future had come out before this, he probably wouldn't 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.240 be in this movie. So this is like the last 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.839 chance you get Christopher Lloyd in like a supporting, supporting role. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.000 So he drives by, picks up Miss Scarlett, and they 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.600 both arrive at the mansion and everyone sits down for dinner, 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.680 but no one knows what's going on really who anybody 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.520 else is. But they all start chatting and they figure 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:36.360 out that everyone has ties to Washington, d C. And 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.360 it's also like the McCarthy era, so you're it. It 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.960 took a while for me to like click in what 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.800 they were doing with the historical like setting, because I 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:47.600 was like, why were they going through the trouble of 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.679 having this? But it's all vaguely. I'm like, is this 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.280 movie trying to say something? If so, I don't know 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:56.680 what it is, but I think they might be sort 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.280 of trying to say something by setting it in the 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.880 McCarthy era. And it's like a bunch of Washington elite 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.400 in the McCarthy era because a little later on we 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.200 find out that this Mr. Body guy is blackmailing everyone 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.480 because they're like, you're an American and instead of reporting 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.680 you to the like house an American Activities Committee, I'm 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.080 gonna make money guys camping it. It's like it's very 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:23.080 campy commentary where that's the one moment where you're like, oh, 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:27.880 that's what they're trying to say, okay, Like and then 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.800 in all three endings, you find out that communism was 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.880 a red herring, and it's like, what are you talking about? Right? 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.080 It's so campy that I'm like, I don't know, I 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.080 don't know how much of it is like camping, how 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.360 much of it is like good Americans? You know, Like 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.480 I also, Jonathan Lynde is British, so he might just 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.080 be making fun of Americans in general. We don't know. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:55.200 We don't watch this movie for the message. Okay, speak 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:59.960 for yourself, Jimmie, I'm looking for inscsive political commentary. Clue 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:06.360 a movie. It's an allegory for the red scare, now, Okay. 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:11.760 So then the seventh guest arrives, Mr Body and Wadsworth 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.880 is like, hey, everyone, the reason that you're all here 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.000 is that you're being blackmailed. And then we find out 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.720 the various reasons each character is being blackmailed, such as 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:26.760 Professor Plum is a former psychiatrist who lost his license 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:32.520 because he assaulted his female patients. Yikes, and that's a joke. 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:38.760 Huh huh, So we'll talk about that. Um Mrs Peacock 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:44.040 takes shady political bribes on behalf of her politician husband. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:49.880 Her husband, her husband, um Miss Scarlett runs an escort service. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:55.600 Colonel Mustard is a client of that escort service. Mrs 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.040 White probably killed her husband, and then you later find 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:04.079 out probably killed. Mrs White's character gets better and better 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.800 as the movie because she is fine. And then Mr 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.520 Green is gay and has to stay in the closet 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.240 to keep his job in the State Department. So those 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.440 are all the reasons they are being blackmailed. I do 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:21.640 at least appreciate that Mr Green opens by saying, I 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.200 am not ashamed of it, but it is basically I'm 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:29.440 not ashamed of it. However, it is ninety four. That's 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.400 more than I expected of So I'll give a little 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.760 tip of the hat. Yeah, there's a whole conversation to 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.280 be had about the way all of that is framed. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:42.000 But and then we learned that Mr Body is the 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:46.160 one who is blackmailing everyone. But Wadsworth is like, good news. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.560 The police will be here in forty five minutes and 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.160 you can tell the police that you're being blackmailed and 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:55.680 Mr Body can be brought to justice. Then Mr Body 0:14:55.720 --> 0:15:02.360 gives everyone a weapon, which are a candlestick, a new pipe, wrench, gun, 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.560 and dagger, and he's like, here's the thing. If you 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.600 expose me, you're also exposing yourself for whatever it is 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:14.480 that you're being blackmailed for. But if one of you 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.600 kills Wadsworth, then this whole thing can be over. So 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.920 Mr Body shuts off the light. Then there's a thud, 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.680 a gunshot, and a scream, and when the light is 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.920 turned back on, it's Mr Body who has been killed. 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.280 Your Body is a great character name. I don't know why. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:35.800 It's so like, it's so achy. Um, yeah, you can't 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.640 kill Tim Curry this early in the movie. It doesn't happen, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.720 certainly not. Tim Curry is such a champion in this movie, 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.840 where like if you think about, like how much more 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.520 dialogue he has than everyone, because he's just like paragraphs 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.080 of exposition at a time, just on a You're like, 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:58.800 what a professional, right, incredible. Everyone starts freaking out. No 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.920 one knows who killed Mr Body or with what weapon. 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:06.520 Then Wadsworth reveals his motive for wanting Mr Body to 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.480 be brought to justice, which is that his wife. His 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:15.160 wife was being blackmailed by Mr Body, which led her 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.640 to end her life. And this is where we get 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.160 the whole Like Mr Body thought you were all doing 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:24.960 something un American. Right, So everyone's bad, no one's good, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.560 No one is good. And that's part of what makes 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.480 Who Done It's fun is that people everyone is usually 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.400 everyone's a suspect and it's well, I can't wait to 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:42.080 talk about Who Done? It's in class anyways. Um okay, 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:46.720 Then they find another dead body. The cook has been 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:51.080 killed in the kitchen with the dagger, the only woman 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.600 of color, the only person whose name we don't learn, 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.480 and then she gets like one or two lines of 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:02.520 dialogue before she is murder. Yeah. Yeah, this movie was 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:07.640 not thoughtful in terms of um, non white characters really 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:12.840 at all. True. Um So, then they all come back 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:17.119 into the room, which and I was losing track of 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.880 what room was what in this movie, but I think 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:24.320 they're in the study and Mr Body's body is gone. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.560 But then they find it again, in this time it 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:31.480 is bloody and he is definitely dead. Right. Then a 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.840 motorist shows up at the doorstep and needs to use 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.480 the phone because his car broke down, so they locked 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:42.080 him in the lounge. I think, there's so many it's 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.760 a mansion. You're just like too many fucking rich people 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.880 in their many many rooms, and they are they're like, oh, 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:53.960 a library, a study, a billiard's room, a lounge, especially 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.800 right now where we're all like locked in small spaces 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.960 to various capacities, and like, how dare you stiple floors 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:06.000 grow up? Not fair? Um, So they locked him in 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.520 the lounge, and they decided that they should search the 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.479 rest of the house to make sure there's no one 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.440 else who might be in there who is just like 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.159 popping up to commit a murder and then like go 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:20.040 back into hiding. So they split into pairs and search 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.879 the house, and everyone still suspects everyone else of being 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.280 the murderer. We don't know who has done it. We 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:30.280 don't know. They also like kind of uncharacteristic for who 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.720 done it, Like they don't. The movie doesn't super try 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.119 to convince you it's any specific person. I feel like, 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.960 usually who done it? Movies are like, oh, this guy 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:44.119 is looking pretty suspicious, but you're kind of just like 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.720 watching people walk around a really nice house. But but 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.119 it's fine, that's true. I'm surprised there's not a character 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:55.080 named like Mr. Red Herring. Oh, yes, he was the 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.439 Red Herring, of course, but communism is the red Herring. 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.080 I guess that's like I'm like, sure, I don't like 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:03.639 And then by the time this comes out, it's the 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.240 reggae administration, so God only knows where everyone's values were at, 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:12.760 so the disaster. So they're searching the house, and while 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:17.240 they're searching, we see the motorists get murdered with the 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.479 wrench in the lounge. But by whom, who done it, 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:26.880 whom don't know, whom done it, whom's done it. Then 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:31.639 Colonel Mustard and Miss Scarlett discover a secret passage, which 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.640 was how the murderer snuck into the lounge to kill 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.120 the motorist. Uh. And then a random cop shows up 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.879 and searches the house and they have to pretend to 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.920 like make out with the dead bodies. I forgot about 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.560 that part. I've always forget about and it makes me 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.640 laugh so much. It's such a funny theme where they're 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.280 like making out with the corpses, especially the one where 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:56.360 they're holding like the cook between two people, and you're 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.520 just like, oh, it's so it's so cross um, it's 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:05.040 a Then Mustard and Scarlet find another secret passage that 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:11.760 leads from the kitchen into the study. Then the murderer 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.919 turns the power off in the house and then in 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:20.479 the dark, I know spook and in the dark whoever 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:25.320 the murderer is, kills Yvette, the maid with the rope 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.920 in the billiard's room, then kills the police officer with 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:36.640 the pipe in the library. I think there's a book 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:41.680 in there. There's a library, could be possible. Um. And 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:46.680 then the murderer shoots the singing telegram lady who shows up. 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.960 So now there are six murders total. And then Wadsworth 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:55.439 is like, guess what. I know what happened and who's 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.520 behind it. He's figured out who done it. How does 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.520 Tim Curry not get a olden globe for this ending performance? 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:06.120 Oh my gosh. The writing is like not really doing much, 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.800 but he's like he's like Sebastian Maniscalco, like running around. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:18.359 It's so he's zipping, he's dashing. Um. Yeah. Basically what 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:21.760 happens is in order for any of this movie to 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.720 make sense, he's like, I have to take you through 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.359 the events of the evening step by step, and then 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.919 he basically goes into a Caitlin's famous recap where he 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.840 just recaps the entire movie that we've already seen. If 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.080 you like fell down, every five seconds of the recap, 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.960 it's basically the same thing. Yeah, it's just like prop 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:44.240 fall after prop I should start doing that. You should, Yeah, 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:48.280 you'll get a golden globe, thank you. Um. But here's 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:52.240 the thing. Some new information gets revealed during this recap, 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.840 which is that when they first found Mr Body dead, 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:59.080 he was only pretending to be dead. And then we 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.760 also find out that Yvette and the Cook were Mr 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.440 Body's accomplices that helped him collect info on the people 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:11.239 who he would later blackmail. Then Wadsworth figures out that 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:15.639 Yvette killed the cook and then killed Mr Body. Um, 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.159 but who killed Vette and the others who done it? Well, 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:23.360 it was miss Scarlett and for reasons that I've already 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:26.440 forgotten right in this ending, So this is ending a y. 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:31.520 I also was reading about an elusive fourth ending that 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.639 they shot but cut from the movie because it was 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:36.680 They were like it was too stupid. I'm like, oh, 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.080 it would have had to have been really stupid, because 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:44.800 the three that you get are total nonsense. Yeah yeah, 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:48.359 um the second one ending b like the movie says, 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:52.280 that's how it could have happened. But what if this happens, 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:56.040 and it's that Mrs Peacock is the murderer again for 0:22:56.119 --> 0:23:01.000 reasons I forget what her whole mom about her husband 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:05.880 and something no clear physicist, some plan for a fusion 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:10.560 bomb or something. It's all very nineteen fifty is. You're 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:15.920 like sure, but then we get how the movie claims 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:20.119 is what really happened, which is that so basically everyone 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:24.600 each person killed one other person. So Plumb killed Mr Body, 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:28.320 Mrs Peacock killed the cook, Colonel Mustard killed the motorist, 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:32.840 Mrs White killed Yvette, Miss Scarlett killed the cop. Wadsworth 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:37.040 killed the singing telegram lady. That's so it's so funny 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:41.920 when that they killed the singing telegram lady. She's just like, up, 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.760 it's so funny. And then it turns out that Wadsworth 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:54.200 is Mr Body, so Mr Green shoots Wadsworth because he's 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:58.000 an FBI plant. And then all the FBI guys come 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.960 in and they're like, who we saved a day. We're like, 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:07.040 who cops. So that's the story, with its various endings. 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:08.919 Let's take a quick break and then we'll come right 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:19.640 back to discuss, and we're back. Uh okay, you know what, 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.560 I think this is a good challenge feminism in clue 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:27.960 the movie. I guess I wanted to start with just 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.439 a little like women in Who Done It's at large 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:36.679 because I've seen many, many, many of them. There's pros 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.280 and cons to the portrayal of women and who Done It? 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.640 So obviously our most recent who Done It? That did 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:46.920 really well was Knives Out. I really enjoyed that movie. 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.399 I feel like, hopefully we'll probably do an episode on 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.639 it at some point probably, but yeah, I think that 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:56.120 the female characters in that story are fully fleshed out, 0:24:56.560 --> 0:25:00.119 Like the hero of the story is a woman in 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.520 and not a person that's in this like, I don't know. 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:10.520 Nine of these stories concern wealthy white people. A lot 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:12.520 of it comes down to like and I think that 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.400 in some way, I hope that we get Who Done 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.479 It to take place outside of that world. The closest 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:20.920 thing I could find is Identity, which is technically who 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.239 Done It? And that's like a gritty who Done It? 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:26.360 Oh yeah, I saw that John Cusack is in it. 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:29.679 I think, yeah, and that at least doesn't like concern 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:32.439 rich people. It's still all white people, but it's not 0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:34.200 all rich people, and it's supposed to be great. I 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:37.040 don't know, it's like a fine movie, but in general 0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:39.920 it concerns wealthy white people trying to figure out who 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:42.240 murdered a wealthy white person, and the answer is always 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:46.040 another wealthy white person. Um. So, so that is kind 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:49.680 of the history of the genre. It's definitely capable of more, 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:52.000 but that's basically what it's been so far, kind of 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:54.960 including and like with some even though Knives Out has twists, 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:59.080 it's still concerns a wealthy white family. Anyways, as far 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:02.520 as women go, more women right who Done It? Than 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:07.120 men in literature where there is like a huge legacy 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:11.400 of female mystery authors that go into the present. Obviously 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.480 Agatha Christie is the most famous one who wrote who 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:18.239 Done It specifically, but there is a huge legacy of 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.520 female mystery writers, female who've Done It writers and female 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:24.760 detectives in media like your Nancy Drew's and Murder she 0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.800 wrote and on and on um And even though her 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:32.199 her Keel Poiro is a guy who was written by 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:37.000 Agatha Christie's so there's a lot of female representation in 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:42.240 on the novel side, there is no female representation in 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:47.040 the movie adaptations of these female penned stories. None of 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:50.880 this super applies to Clue because it is being adapted 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.560 from a board game. Uh was written and rewritten by 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.240 like four different men before the director ended up getting 0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.959 the writing credit. But there was like so many Anthony 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:04.600 Perkins did a draft of this script. Stephen Sondheim did 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.560 a draft of this script. Tom Stoppard, like the famous playwright, 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:11.639 did a draft of this script, didn't. John Landis also 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:13.639 work on it, see like he has like a story 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.520 by credit. He'd yeah, he he was involved in it 0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:18.760 in the beginning. He was originally supposed to direct. But 0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:22.800 it's with the exception of feminist icon Deborah hill Um, 0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:25.200 who also produced. We've talked about her on the show 0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:30.160 before because of her um spearheading the Halloween franchise. But 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:33.359 with the exception this movie, it's it's like the original 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:37.080 stories are written by women, and in Hollywood they've only 0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.560 i mean, down to Ryan Johnson, basically only been adapted 0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:44.560 by men. So that's kind of the thing. I think. 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:49.240 I'm curious in your opinion on this, Caitlin. They still 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:55.320 definitely work misogyny into this story, and they work misogyny 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.480 into most of these stories a lot of times. When 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:00.080 you see the room full of rich white people, the 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:04.200 women in the room, are someone's his wife, or they're 0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:08.080 defined by their sexuality. They're never defined by their job. 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.240 They usually take place in the past, which I think 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:12.560 people use as a justification for them to not have 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:16.919 a job. But what I like about this is like 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.520 a real but like just because of how Who Done 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.080 It has to work? I like that for the story 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:25.280 to work, you have to give the female characters agency, 0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:29.280 otherwise you're not going to suspect them. That's true. So 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:31.680 in that way, I feel like it's one of the 0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:36.240 only movie genres that like. Empowering your female characters to 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:40.960 a certain extent is like a necessity, And so that 0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:45.600 is partially why I like Who Done It's they're just fun, 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.520 But that makes sense, I don't know. That's that's uh 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:51.840 my context corner for the Who Done It? Appreciate it, 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:55.120 thank you. It also reminds me of we've had this conversation. 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:59.800 Not a ton, but I've noticed in various slash or 0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:04.040 movies I've watched that there seems to be gender parody 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.720 in the cast of usually teenagers. But it's because they 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:13.160 need women there to have sex with the boys that 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.920 are there, so that the women can then be killed 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:21.680 for having had sex the Um. Yeah, yeah, this is 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.360 this is weirdly. I mean it's not a very horny 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:27.720 movie and I and I like that for this movie. 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:30.800 This movie does feel like it could have very easily 0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:33.000 been a cartoon, and I mean that is a compliment. 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:38.200 It is quite cartoony. Yeah, um, so that's the this 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.640 is by far I think, like the goofy like it's 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.800 basically a parody of Who Done It movies, which is 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:46.440 kind of weird to watch now because they're not very 0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:49.760 popular anymore, or they just became popular again, so you're 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.160 like there are certain tropes that they're making fun of 0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.080 that you're like, oh, is that a thing? I guess, 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:56.880 so whatever. Yeah, I feel like it was far more 0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:59.760 popular in like the film noir era and I have 0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:04.120 a whole thing, a whole spiel on them fatalels. But um, 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.280 it has a resurgence in the seventies as well. There's 0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.960 a bunch of like solid ones from the seventies. The 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:13.720 best one, I m oh being the Last of Sheila, 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:15.880 which is a which is a boat Who Done It? 0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:19.600 And it's really it's really it's super super fun and 0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.280 and Anthony Perkins was involved in writing that, which is 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.680 why they asked him to write Clue. Um, it was 0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.840 just like it's a lot of people quit clue. No 0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:30.400 one could crack the story, and some could argue they 0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:34.280 never did, they never did. I love when movies are 0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:39.719 adapted from a board game or a Disney park ride 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.920 like and then sometimes they have the audacity to be 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:48.400 fun movies, but it's no wonder when the stories are 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:53.640 often flimsy at best because the source material is a 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.560 game or a theme park ride. But yeah, and in 0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:58.840 the seventies, you had Murder on the Orient Express, the 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.240 original one, you had the Last of Sheila, you had, uh, 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.400 what else did you have? The Beast Must Die? That's 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.480 a that's a weird one. Death on the Nile, that's 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:08.360 a good one. So like this would be coming like 0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.280 off of people would have more of a frame of 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.520 reference than they do for it now, like we basically 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.920 just have knives out. Is really the only who done 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:21.000 it of our generation? More contemporary one? Sure? Well that 0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.760 that brings me to a section of my notes that 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:28.040 I have entitled women be Murdering. So I'll start there 0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.680 hit it and this kind of focuses on the endings 0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:35.600 of the movie. So we've got the three endings. So 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:40.320 in ending A, which is the one where Yvette kills 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:45.400 the first two victims and then Miss Scarlett kills the rest, right, Um, 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.240 so that's the that's ending A. Ending B is when 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:53.720 Mrs Peacock has killed everyone. In all versions of the story, 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:57.520 Mrs White is thought to have killed various husbands of hers. 0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:03.000 So when you include Mrs White between these first two endings, 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:07.520 there are four people who have committed murder in either 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:12.120 the backstory or on screen, and they are all women, 0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.960 which reminded me of sort of the film fatale archetype, 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:17.920 which is something we haven't talked about a lot because 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:22.160 we haven't really covered any film noir or neo noir. 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:24.600 I think the closest we got to really talking about 0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:28.600 it was in our Who Frame Roger Rabbit episode, which 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.960 is behind the paywall on the Matreon. But yeah, yeah, 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:36.120 we haven't discussed it much. Yes, So I felt as 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:38.480 though at least a few of the female characters in 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:43.200 the story have some fem fatale traits, especially Miss Scarlett. 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:47.280 Miss Scarlett for sure, Mrs White. I feel like there's 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.160 some things there. Um. I would like to cover of 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:54.320 film noir sometime soon, because I think it would be 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:57.960 really interesting to talk about the film fatale trope. Get 0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:02.040 on our Cariina Longworth wave. Oh yeah, what's the what's 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:06.719 the really famous one? Double Indemnity. I haven't seen that 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:12.840 since film school, where I only went once. In any case, 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:14.960 I was like, oh, this is a you know, it 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.840 feels like there's these film Fatale like characters present in 0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:22.000 the story, which I couldn't help but notice that, like, 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:24.120 at least in the first two endings, it's like, oh, 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:30.120 there are like four evil women who be murdering everybody. 0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:34.760 My main thing is because it's like we have to 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:38.360 like it is I I kind of wonder and they've 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.080 never leaked what the fourth ending was. I like, was 0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:45.120 there murder parody if you had all four endings, because 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.600 it definitely does lean female heavy, and like, because there's 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:51.240 a fourth one, maybe it ended up being closer. But yeah, 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:55.320 with the way it ends. My my issue is I 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.240 kind of like that they end up doing the murders 0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.160 because at least I'm like, well, at least they're doing 0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:03.320 you know, they're active. But my my main thing is 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.280 more how they're like just in a movie that's so 0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:10.239 goofy and you can write anyone as anyone. They're still 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:14.320 relegated to being wives, with the exception of Miss Scarlett, 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.680 who I feel like, you know, she she runs a business, 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:19.680 but I feel like she even is like shoved in 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.239 a corner of like, well, of course she wouldn't work 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:24.399 for the government like all the men in the room, 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:26.840 you know, she runs. I don't know. I mean, I 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.200 like all the female characters, and I like they're also 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:33.560 cartoony and fun, and it's kind of a bummer that 0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:38.400 all these male writers couldn't imagine past them being wives 0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.560 or sex workers like that is I feel like very 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:46.160 telling of the offers because I don't think that there's 0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:48.640 clue I don't I actually I'll look that up. I 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.319 don't know if there's board game canon of like the 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:54.240 people that these are supposed to be, because they're given 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:57.080 like board game canon names. But the characters, like the 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:00.320 Washington d C Neists is totally inherent to the movie, 0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.680 so they could be anybody. Um. So I was bummed 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:07.600 out by the endless choices and then they were still 0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:11.719 relegated to the same kind of stereotypical roles. And I 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.479 have a feeling like the writers and the filmmakers would 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.360 have justified that by being like, well, we said it 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.880 in the fifties, when you know, women were housewives, and 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:26.360 it's like, first of all, not every woman, and secondly, 0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:31.120 you didn't have to do that, and right yeah, like 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:35.200 uh yeah, that's always such a weak excuse to me. 0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.760 I'm just like, no one has a gun to Jonathan 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:39.879 Lynde's head, being like, you better said it at a 0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.200 time that was difficult for women, that you could have 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.319 easily said that in the eighties, And you're right, like 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:47.960 women were in the workforce in the fifth plenty of 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:53.040 women had careers in the fifties. It's it's just kind 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:56.799 of it's just a bummer choice in general, because it 0:35:56.840 --> 0:36:00.920 could be more satisfying to see them do the murders 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.840 if they were given I mean, just like comparable motives 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.279 to to the male characters. I guess the only like 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.920 it's I feel like it's a total waste of Mrs 0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:14.719 Peacock and also there's like mrs and ms and like 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:19.440 they're always given these very like feminine you know, identifiers 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.520 of like is she married or is she not married 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:25.399 exactly exactly. I mean that's not a problem in her 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:32.240 into clue, but whereas like there's Professor Plum, there's Colonel Mustard. 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.239 You know, they have these like they're defined by their 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:40.040 jobs jobs, right, So I was disappointed in that. I 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:44.000 still I Mrs White. I feel like Mrs White is 0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:47.560 at least like there is some I guess I wouldn't 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:52.640 call it like commentary necessarily, but at least with her, 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.480 I feel like they are like poking fun at a 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:59.120 trope that is seen in these movies of like, I 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:01.520 feel like she's almost like a little bit of a 0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:06.000 like satirical fem faytale because she femd faytale's in the 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:09.239 same way over and over and over and over um, 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:12.080 which is kind of funny. She has a line of 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:17.760 dialogue when she says, um, husbands should be like Kleenex, soft, 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:21.919 strong and disposable. Yeah, and we're like, yes, feminist icono 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.239 Mrs White, because like it's right in that moment when 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:28.080 we find out she's had five husbands who she has 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:32.279 presumably killed them all, and someone asks her like, how 0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:34.920 many husbands have you had, Mrs White? And she's like 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.879 mine or other women's or something like that, and it's like, oh, 0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.480 so she also like sucks a bunch of other people's 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.359 husbands as well, right, and then she tries to like 0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:47.680 seduce Wadsworth at the end, and you're just like, or 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.200 one of the ends, I guess, I don't even remember 0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:52.759 which one. They're My favorite Mrs White, Bote is when 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.319 she goes, it's a matter of life after death. Now 0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.480 that he's dead, I have a life, and you're like 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:02.960 it's all so right around then that she says life 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:06.759 after death is as improbable as sex after marriage, and 0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:11.120 it's like she's like a Cathy comic, Like she's such 0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.920 a like she's like a magnet on your mom's fridge, 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:18.480 Like do you think she's just like really horny. And 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:21.040 she marries a man and once they get married, they 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.000 don't want to have sex with her anymore, so she 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:26.239 just kills them so she can like marry the next guy. 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.359 I kind of like that it's not specified. I feel 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.359 like it would have been a very easy throwaway jug 0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.680 for them to like label her as like a gold 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:35.960 digger or like something like that. But we don't know 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.239 why she kills all her husband's were like, that's just 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:43.279 her thing, that's what she does. I stand Mrs White. 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.000 I really like her, and that I found out that 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.279 that this was like a very heavily scripted movie. But 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:52.080 at the end though, like one bit of improv that 0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:54.759 made it into the movie was whatever the ending is, 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.279 where she's like explaining why she did it, She's like, 0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:00.880 the flames were in my face, the flame the names. 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:03.560 I guess you just made that up and it stayed. 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.759 You can tell that's improvised because it's not very tight, 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:11.600 because that makes no sense. Um, let's take a quick 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:21.879 break and then we'll come right back and we're back, 0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:25.400 all right. So my main issue, or one of my 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:29.440 main issues with the movie is the violence that is 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:33.719 enacted against women, which be so okay. So this is 0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:38.000 a movie where there's a lot of cartoony but still 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.760 pretty brutal violence that happens to a lot of different 0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:44.920 characters of all genders, such as a bunch of people 0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.719 are murdered, but but the way it's done to women 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:53.160 is different. It's different. Women are assaulted physically or sexually 0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:57.080 to a greater extent, and it's sometimes like not even 0:39:57.200 --> 0:39:59.520 as a murder, sometimes it's just as a site gag 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.239 exact where there's a few examples. Yeah, so I I 0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:06.480 have a list of examples, Professor Plum grabs Miss Scarlett's 0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:09.720 ass at the very beginning get its own insert shot. 0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:13.719 So why it's I guess to establish that he is 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:17.280 horny because we later find out his backstory of having 0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:23.799 his medical license being revoked because he assaulted his female patients, which, again, 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:26.840 like you mentioned, Jamie is played as a joke for 0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:30.880 the most part, and he continues to assault women throughout 0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:39.160 the movie. Mr Body grabs Yvette's asked at dinner. Mrs 0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:43.239 Peacock is screaming after she thinks she might have been poisoned, 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.680 and Mr Green slaps her across the face and then 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:48.640 he goes like what I had to get her to 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:53.120 stop screaming, And then later Wadsworth slaps her again when 0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:58.800 he's recreating that moment with his little recap Yeah with Caitlin, 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.640 and Caitlin has never lapped someone during her recap for 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:06.520 the record, Um, it's true, but yeah, I mean, I 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.960 think there's a few moments there where it's just like 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:13.120 the joke is, like women be hysterical, right, there's a 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.400 lot of like moments of I mean, and there's a 0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:18.799 few moments where men are screaming, but it's far outnumbered 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:22.279 by like usually Mrs Peacock, but also it's it's the 0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.000 Yvette at one point. But it's just like, you know, 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:28.319 women be hysterical, is alive and well in this movie, right, 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.759 women be overreacting, women be the women be fainting. We 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:36.000 have several different it's and I think it's mostly Mrs Peacock, 0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:41.920 but she faints a number of times. Then we see 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:46.840 the cook. She pretty early in the story gets murdered. 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:53.719 Her dead body is lugged and dragged around, dropped, trampled on. 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.359 They also like mock her body as well, like they 0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:59.920 make it seem like she's she's really difficult to lift. 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.200 It's just it's so like, I mean, there's only two 0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:05.480 people of color in this movie and they are both 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:09.600 killed almost instantly. And to add insult to injury, yeah, 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:12.040 the cook does not even get a name, and they 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:15.000 like make fun of her. They body shame her corpse, 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.800 and you're just like what on earth? Totally because she's 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.719 a plus sized woman and the movie goes out of 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.600 its way to show how difficult it is for the 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:28.520 other characters to lift her and carry her. And she's like, yeah, 0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:34.720 she's totally body shamed, even after her death, and it's horrible. Yeah, 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:38.719 but it's a very body normative casting process, so it's 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:42.320 very like, it's very agreed aus the way that that's presented. 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:47.120 For a few more examples on this list is that, um, 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:51.600 the characters are looking at Colonel Mustard's compromising sex photos 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:55.800 and Mrs White says, no one can get into that position, 0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.640 and Professor Plums like, sure, they can, let me show you, 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.240 and then he like grabs Mrs White kind of pushes 0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:03.120 her down on a couch and then gets on top 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:05.680 of her to demonstrate this thing, and she's like, get 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:09.880 off of me. Oh. We see Professor Plumb rest his 0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:13.560 hand on the cook's but again after she's dead, for 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:17.200 no reason, just just to a visual jokes. I guess 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:19.120 there's a Yeah. I mean, I think most of the 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.880 like assaults on women and the I mean none of 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:26.239 them are not jokes. They're all they're all jokes that 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:30.240 the logic is very like this is how you treat women. 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:34.160 But at N eleven right, yeah uh. And then there 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:37.240 was I think one more that I noticed, which is that, um, 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.960 Colonel Mustard and Miss Scarlett are searching the house together, 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:43.080 they like go into a dark room, and he's like, 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:46.439 what room is this and she says search me as 0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:49.440 in like I don't know, But then he starts groping 0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:51.919 her and she has to be like, get your mits 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:56.799 off of me. So, yeah, it's just women being assaulted constantly. 0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:59.360 And then I would argue and there's a whole conversation 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:03.319 to be had about Mr Green's sexuality. But except for 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:07.160 in the third ending when they like undo him being 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:10.799 a queer man, you assume for most of the movie 0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:15.080 that he is gay because he identifies himself as such. Um, 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:18.200 but I would argue that he is also more brutalized 0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:22.320 than the other straight male characters. There's a bunch of 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:24.719 scenes where like there and again, there's a lot of 0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:26.680 scenes where like a lot of the characters are being 0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:29.839 rough with each other. But I feel like Mr Green 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:31.759 gets the worst of it because you see that scene 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:35.360 where you know, Wadsworth is dragging him around and throwing 0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:37.319 him down on the floor during the recap, and then 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:40.440 he's also slapped twice by two different men at the 0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.080 end of the like at the second ending, I feel 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:46.080 like that is supposed to like directly imply that you 0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:48.000 would treat a queer man the way you would treat 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:52.399 a woman. It's just, yeah, the only part of I mean, 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:57.040 it's Mr Green's character. I mean, it's just it's complicated, 0:44:57.120 --> 0:45:00.200 it's weird. I mean there's one yeah, there, you're right, 0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.640 there's one ending where they totally undo it and they're 0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:07.239 like just kidding, no homo. And that's like the ending 0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:11.000 joke of that version of the movie, because he says like, 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.840 I'm an FBI plant and I'm going to go home 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:16.680 and have sex with my wife. Because like, I couldn't 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:18.799 tell if that was like, if that was undoing it, 0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.480 or if that was him like lying to his coworkers. 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:24.600 I wasn't sure what Oh, I didn't even consider that. 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.880 I thought maybe that the way I interpreted it, although 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.640 like I think that it's easily interpreted your way as well. 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:33.160 Was that he because he says at the beginning, like 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:37.400 I'm a gay man, I'm not ashamed of this um, 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:39.840 but if my workplace finds out, I'll be fired. And 0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:42.120 at the end he's in front of all his coworkers, 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:44.480 So I thought he was like, I gotta go have 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.600 sex with my wife. By that very well could be 0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.880 the case. My interpretation of it was that, like and 0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:54.239 this is maybe just like my beck dol goggles like 0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.440 clouding my vision a little too much sometimes and me 0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:00.680 being very cynical. But I was like, oh, because he's 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.160 allowed to be the hero in this version of the story, 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:06.160 they're not going to allow him to be gay. His 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:10.560 declaration of of being a gay man is was fake. 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:13.919 Listeners sound off. Yeah, I think that there's different ways 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:17.240 to look at it. I guess I'll optimistically hope that 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:21.160 he is like just kidding, I'm going home to my 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:28.120 communist boyfriend. I hope. I hope that too. Um, but yeah, no, 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.200 I do agree that he's like treated physically different than 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:37.120 the identified hetero guys in in the story. Um, it's 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:41.040 it's frustrating because it's like we have a queer character 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:45.080 who it's not coded. They stated there's no shame involved 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.680 with it, but even in that scene where he says 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:49.680 like I'm not ashamed of it, you cut to three 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:53.200 different characters who clearly think it's gross for sure, where 0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:56.600 everyone's like what and then and then it's kind of like, 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.879 I mean, like every every like suspect character, you don't 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:02.640 just there's too many. You can't spend that much time 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:06.680 with them. But then it just kind of like disappears. 0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:09.680 I don't know, I don't like I like that choice 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.880 for a character, and like in the era they choose 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:14.800 to set the movie in which they did not have to, 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:18.200 but like they do. I like that there's some queer representation. 0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:20.640 I just don't like that how it unfolds and how 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.359 it's really handled. So it's it stinks. The first like 0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:27.439 thirty seconds of it is like really cool, and then 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:30.480 it becomes not cool anymore because in addition to him 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.000 saying like I feel no guilt or shame about that, 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:37.640 the movie allows him to come out himself, like because 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:43.759 is he's outing everyone else's wrongdoings or whatever it is 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:47.239 that they're being blackmailed. Four And then finally it comes 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.359 to Mr Green and he stands up and he's like, 0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:53.319 here's my thing. So like no one outs him. He's 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:59.400 the only person that's done nothing wrong. Also exactly totally right, um, 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:02.520 but yeah, he like he comes out himself. No one 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:06.880 outs him because like Wadsworth was, you know, revealing everyone 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:10.000 else's secrets. But Mr Green comes out himself to the 0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:12.200 fact that he was. The movie allows him to do 0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:16.279 that was interesting and unexpected for me. I kind of 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.720 wonder because there were so many drafts of the script, 0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:21.520 it's kind of impossible to track who that belonged to. 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:25.120 But Anthony Perkins was a queer writer. I'm like, maybe 0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:27.840 that's an Anthony Perkins thing. I don't know, I wonder, 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:33.240 I wonder, but um, queer visibility in the movie Clue. 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:36.360 But yeah, I'd be interested to hear what our queer 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:39.360 listeners think about that, and if you have any additional insights, 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:44.799 let us know. Yeah, we already touched on the very 0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:48.360 limited number of of people of color in the movie. 0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:52.719 The cook the cop are the only two. They are 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:56.200 not given actual names. They're both minor characters who were 0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:59.000 killed not long after we meet them. They didn't need 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.120 to kill the cop, Like I was like bummed. I 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:04.080 was bummed out, um, and I always am bobbed out 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:07.400 that day because he's of such a fun character. He 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:09.840 enters and it's kind of fun to have like a 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:13.200 bumbling cop character who's like everything looks fine to me, 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:16.320 and everyone's like, you know, humping corpses and it's funny, 0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:18.719 and he's like they're just having a good time, right, 0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:21.600 It's so it's so funny. He's like this man's drunk 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:27.200 like dead drunk dead, right, There's there's so much dumb 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:30.080 word play in this movie. I like it. Um yeah, 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.360 there was no I don't think that that character needed 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:34.640 to die, and he like that's a fun character to 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:38.520 keep in the mix for the rest of the movie. Sure. Yeah. 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:42.880 And then let's not forget the reveal that Mrs Peacock's 0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:49.320 favorite recipe was monkey brains quote, though popular in Cantonese cuisine, 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.719 are not you know, often found in Washington, d c. 0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:57.480 Or whatever. So just a racist little detail that absolutely 0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:00.919 didn't need to be there. Yeah, this movie. It's weird 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:03.880 because it's like this movie is very of its time, 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:07.040 and then it's also very of the nineteen fifties. So 0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:11.200 it's just like two eras that don't farewell for most 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:15.280 people that are not straight white guys. In one movie, 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:20.279 Tim Curry can't say it enough though he's great, Oh 0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:24.840 love him. Things Uh facts about there. There was like 0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:28.920 a pretty good um oral history style piece about Clue 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:33.759 that came out, Um, I think in two thousand thirteen 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:37.000 that just kind of tracks there's not I mean, there's 0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:40.640 not a lot of you know, wildness behind the scenes 0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:43.080 of this movie. It was written and rewritten by a 0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:45.440 bunch of different men, a bunch of writers quit to 0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:48.040 the point where the director had to finish it. The 0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:50.440 closest thing I could find at any controversy behind the 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:54.680 scenes was the costuming. I guess that Jonathan Lynn definitely 0:50:54.760 --> 0:51:02.080 needlessly had his female actors where really constrictive corsets during 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.319 the course of which is like wasn't even a thing 0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:09.040 in the fifties, really, So what is this Titanic right 0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:13.040 doing up roses corset? So they all had to like 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:16.399 wear these brutal corsets, and they just like laid out 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:20.480 these like diagonal boards so that if the women like 0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:23.400 felt short of breath, they could just lean against the 0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.840 board and catch their breath and keep shooting. So that's 0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:32.359 that's not very thoughtful. Meanwhile, I read that um like 0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:36.319 between takes because there's the billiards room where there was 0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:39.120 the guys with typical stuff. The men would play pool 0:51:39.640 --> 0:51:42.480 and the women had to like, you know, lie down 0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:47.799 because of their painful costume. That's cool. Well, and then 0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:53.800 speaking of costumes, we've got yvettes French made costume, yes, 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:58.000 which and she's like a French character. I don't even 0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:02.200 know what to even say about out Besides like that's ridiculous. 0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:05.640 Her whole character is essentially a visual joke in many 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:08.520 different ways where it's like her her boobs are very 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.480 much out, it's a very short like it. It's more 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:13.480 of a French made costume that you would see in 0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:17.319 like a soft porn than or like on like Halloween, 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:21.160 like people like I'm a sexy French maid, right, And 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:24.319 it's like the the the actress who who played um 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:27.680 Evette let me get her name, like Colleen Camp, she 0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:30.359 was like completely on board with it. Um. She thought 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.480 it was funny. It wasn't like it wasn't the situation 0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:36.360 where she like she didn't want to be presented in 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:38.960 that way. She was, you know, fine, fine with it. 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:41.479 But I mean, it is just it's such a male 0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:44.240 gazy Like there's that really long shot from the top 0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:47.000 of the stairs down into her cleavage. That is just 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:49.839 it's a long shot strictly because you're supposed to be 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:53.359 ogling her boobs. Like that's just as they make they 0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:55.439 make a visual joke of her a lot. And I mean, 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:58.080 I guess that the the only argument for it is 0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:00.400 that the actress was in on the joke in okay 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:02.880 with it, but it's still it's just like it's just 0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:07.440 juvenile and dumb, right, Yeah, I mean, if she wanted 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:09.200 to wear it and she was cool with it, you know, 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.360 her body, her choice. But but yeah, I mean, I 0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:15.840 think in the costuming department, and because it's clear that 0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:19.120 the character was written as being presented that way, it's 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:24.840 like a pretty clear like male gaze visual joke. But yeah, 0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:29.520 she's cool. So oh. Also, so let's talk about the weapons, 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:33.160 shall we. I was wondering, are there, because we talked 0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:36.680 so much about women's weapons, are there any actual weapons 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:39.680 given to women? I couldn't track which weapon went to 0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:42.319 which person. Here's what I remember. I didn't write down 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:46.120 exactly who was gifted what, but from memory because there 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:49.000 are some household objects, but then there's also some weapons. 0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:54.040 Professor Plum receives the gun. Okay, Mrs Peacock receives I 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:57.040 think she's the one who gets the dagger, Miss Scarlett. 0:53:57.200 --> 0:54:01.000 Miss Scarlett gets the candlestick. So is a woman who 0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.319 gets the household item at very at least this is 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:07.799 board game cannon, but that's yeah. Mrs White gets the 0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:13.040 rope um. Colonel Mustard gets I think the wrench okay, 0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:16.120 sort of a weapon, I don't know, a tool more 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:20.839 than anything. Mr Green, which one does he get? Oh? 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:24.400 The pipe? So the main one that's a like domestic 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.000 you know, like kind of more. I guess none of 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:31.920 them are very gendered items, except maybe you could argue that, 0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:37.240 like the candlestick is like a more decor than anything else, 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:40.480 and if we're yeah, that's I mean, I guess we 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:43.279 do see it in various And again I'm like, I 0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:46.359 can't track the endings of this, but the we do 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:49.800 see Yvette shoot a gun, like there's like women do 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:53.120 get to use weapons in this movie, and especially because 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:55.000 in two out of the three endings they are the 0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:58.439 culprits for the most Yes, we get to see them 0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:02.399 using them. We see if also stabbed the cook with 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:06.360 the dagger, and yeah, that one ending we also but 0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:12.160 then we see Yvette kill Mr Body with the candlestick, 0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:15.200 which is again, of those items, it's the one that's 0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:19.760 the most sort of like domestic item. But then Professor 0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:23.000 Plumb uses it too. Can we also revoke him of 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:26.919 his professor title because he's a fucking rapist um While 0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:29.480 it's the fifties, he'd never get fired for being a rapist. 0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:33.400 Mr Plumb, I'll call him. Uh he uses the candlestick. 0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:36.040 So yeah, it feels like there's kind of like it 0:55:36.080 --> 0:55:38.680 doesn't feel to me that the movie subscribes to anything 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:42.200 like the women have to use like quote feminine items 0:55:42.320 --> 0:55:45.399 and the men get to use like actual weapons. That's 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.680 a relief, okay, because I I was I liked that 0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:49.920 in I mean, I don't really like all the endings 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:52.319 kind of suck, but but the fact that you do 0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:56.520 get to see women like they're not relegated to certain weapons, 0:55:56.600 --> 0:56:01.879 that is that's a pro Yeah, feminist. I on lead pipe, Yes, 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:07.560 I love to see a lead pipe connecting. Um, that's good, 0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:10.600 that's good. Yeah. Carrie Fisher was supposed to be Miss 0:56:10.640 --> 0:56:13.120 Scarlett in this movie and then um she wasn't able 0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:16.480 to do the movie. So that makes me sad she 0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:19.920 would have been so goodness, I know. Well, speaking of 0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:23.280 Miss Scarlett, I don't remember exactly how much we touched 0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:25.760 on this or not. But so she's like a sex worker. 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:28.400 She runs she runs her own business, she runs an 0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:31.279 escort service, and she seems to be like proud of 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:34.840 her work. Um, so whether or not, other characters are 0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:38.800 obviously other characters think that her work is on savory 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:42.520 because she's being blackmailed for it, But um, there's no 0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:46.600 shame that she feels attached to her work. I like, 0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:48.920 I mean, I guess my I'm like, and this is 0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:51.239 like asking more of clue than I could possibly give you. 0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:53.759 But it does. Some of the endings get into like, oh, 0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:56.680 this was a former employee of hers and blah blah blah, 0:56:56.680 --> 0:57:00.920 where I'm like, cool, she has her own business. She 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:04.200 is like sex worker representation. But then I'm always like, 0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:08.279 but if she's the boss, like, I need some more information. 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:11.560 How does she treat her employees? Also all women? Is 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:16.439 she protecting them? Is she selling them out too? Well? Yeah, 0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:19.320 because and that brings that will bring me to some 0:57:19.480 --> 0:57:22.680 like motive things I want to talk about. But um, 0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:25.200 I think it's the like ending a the first one 0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:29.040 we see, she says the line like all members of 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:35.120 the oldest profession, I'm a capitalist. So apparently she loves capitalism. 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:38.480 She well, everyone in this movie loves capitalism so much. 0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:42.880 Um yeah, so I like, like, it's like some representation, 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:46.320 but I don't think it's it's particularly everyone everyone in 0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:49.960 this story except for Mr. Green is a horrible person 0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:54.360 just canonically their whole bad, bad bad What is it? 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:56.600 Isn't it? Colonel Mustard, you find out that he like 0:57:56.920 --> 0:58:00.120 took like radio parts from different like World War to 0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:04.120 um like fighter jets and then it killed a bunch 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:07.440 of like American soldiers and he's like, what, I love money, 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:09.800 I was confused about that. I love I mean that 0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:12.440 actor Martin malt like, shout out to him. He's he 0:58:12.680 --> 0:58:16.480 is Jane Parmesan, he was, He's bent. He was um 0:58:16.760 --> 0:58:20.920 Willard Kraft on Sabrina the Teenage, which he was on 0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:25.520 Danny Phantom, and he was on my favorite obscure seventies 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:30.120 um soap opera, Mary Hartman. Mary Hartman, not familiar with 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.080 that one. He's a he's a camp icon. He's wonderful. 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:37.160 Everything he does is so goofy um. So yeah. I 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:39.680 want to talk about a little bit about um, the 0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:43.520 various women's like motivations for committing murder, because again, in 0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:47.480 various endings, we have some of the female characters being 0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:50.440 murderers or not um, but the ones that we do 0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:54.560 find out about, like in ending C for example, we 0:58:54.880 --> 0:59:01.360 learn that Mrs White's motive for killing event was like jealousy, 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:04.040 like a vent and her husband and had an affair. 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:08.480 So I thought about that too, but I ended up 0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:10.960 landing on being like I kind of it kind of 0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:12.720 ended up being a wash for me because she at 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:16.560 least it's not the situation where it's like the woman 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:19.680 will just kill the woman who cheated with the husband, 0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:22.120 and the husband gets no come up and she kills 0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:25.360 all of her husbands too. Yeah, good point. So, I mean, 0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:28.160 I don't like the jealousy motive, but at least if 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:30.720 it had to be any of the female characters killing 0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:33.760 someone out of jealousy, at least with her character, it 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:37.000 bugs me less because you know, she's already killed five men, 0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:41.960 that's true. Yeah, So let's let's examine some of these 0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:46.160 other ones. We've got. Miss Scarlet killed the cop in 0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:50.560 ending C, so that one doesn't really Mrs Peacock killed 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:54.680 the cook, so that's a woman killing a woman. But 0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:58.040 I forget even why she was the informant or something. 0:59:58.200 --> 1:00:00.840 I mean, no one's motivation for murder ring makes sense. 1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:05.400 The plot is often nonsensical and it is very difficult 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:07.640 to track. So yeah, maybe, I mean the one that 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:09.120 did stick out to me the most was like the 1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:12.720 Jealousy one and ending see at least um and endings 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:17.560 A and B you have Yvette and Miss Scarlett killing 1:00:17.560 --> 1:00:20.680 everyone or ms Mrs Peacock killing everyone. I really have 1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:23.080 to go back and rewatch what all the motives were 1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:26.800 for those women to kill the other women. So maybe 1:00:26.880 --> 1:00:30.000 this conversation is just moot. It is kind of hard 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:32.440 to track in terms of the endings, like what is 1:00:32.560 --> 1:00:37.040 like somewhat success and what is just simply bad writing. Um, 1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:41.040 I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Let's see. 1:00:41.520 --> 1:00:44.760 I wanted to point out that, Okay, so a lot 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:47.280 of attention is brought to the fact that Tim Curry 1:00:47.360 --> 1:00:50.800 steps and dogshit at the beginning of the movie, and 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:52.720 I kept thinking that was going to pay off in 1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:56.840 Someone Does It at All. There's a few insert shots 1:00:56.840 --> 1:00:58.520 in this movie that you're like, why did you draw 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:03.240 our attention to? Right? Is that another? But then if 1:01:03.240 --> 1:01:05.400 it never but I can't bear red Harry if it 1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:10.520 never comes up ever, exactly just like it's just bad writing. Um. Yeah, 1:01:10.600 --> 1:01:12.400 it was like, oh, there's probably going to be like 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:15.760 a poopy footprint that like is a clue, but that 1:01:15.880 --> 1:01:20.480 never happens. No, Yeah, I also didn't I mean, I 1:01:20.520 --> 1:01:23.800 didn't love another like Mrs White choice was. I didn't 1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:28.280 love when they had her like try to seduce Wadsworth 1:01:28.320 --> 1:01:31.160 at the end. I didn't think that that was super necessary. 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:34.320 But it's I don't all the ending suck. I'm like, 1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:38.160 just the endings are just a full like I don't know. 1:01:38.400 --> 1:01:41.720 Maybe this goes back to the kind of sem fatale conversation, 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:45.360 but um, in the beginning of the movie, Colonel Mustard 1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:49.440 quotes Kipling, Yes bad person, saying the female of the 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:53.360 species is more deadly than the male, and it's like, okay, 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:56.919 is that foreshadowing of some of those endings. I feel 1:01:56.920 --> 1:01:59.560 like maybe that's as close as the movie gets for 1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:03.800 you to be like, oh, suspicion. But it is weird 1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:06.280 how little the movie tries to get you to suspect anyone. 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:10.400 They're just like, I don't know. Also, just another fun 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:13.160 fact I learned was that Mr Bean almost played Tim 1:02:13.200 --> 1:02:16.200 Curry's part, but he wasn't Mr Bean yet and people 1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:20.000 said he wasn't famous enough. Rowan Atkinson. Mr bean visibility 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:22.360 very low in this movie, very low in this movie. 1:02:22.760 --> 1:02:27.840 You know, Frank Confurter visibility high. I love to and Curry. 1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:30.280 I was thinking about. I think I'm going to watch 1:02:30.440 --> 1:02:33.240 the Tim Curry it soon. I have never seen it. 1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:36.880 Oh my god, Oh it's pretty good. I have some 1:02:36.960 --> 1:02:41.160 issues with it, but Tim Curry as it. I know, 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:45.400 it's like it has to be great, amazing, love it. 1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:48.600 I'm excited. Um yeah, I think that's about all I 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:51.400 had to say. Do you have anything else to me? No? 1:02:51.760 --> 1:02:54.720 I mean it's the Rampa Meter. I mean I say 1:02:54.720 --> 1:02:57.200 it's pretty high. It's a ten out of ten on 1:02:57.240 --> 1:03:02.480 the Caitlin Rampo Meter. Everyone's romp in a way, especially 1:03:02.480 --> 1:03:06.000 Act three when Tim Curry is dashing around the house. 1:03:06.800 --> 1:03:09.920 It gets so so so rompy. Then yeah, I I 1:03:09.960 --> 1:03:13.240 don't know. I mean it's like this movie is so fun. 1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:15.240 It puts me in a good mood. I love Who 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:17.160 Done It? And I love Who Done It's that don't 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:19.440 take themselves super seriously? And this is like on the 1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:23.000 far end of that spectrum, but like there's I mean, 1:03:23.120 --> 1:03:25.480 Who Done It? To take themselves very seriously can be 1:03:25.560 --> 1:03:29.080 such a drag. That movie Gosford Park, It's like three 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:31.640 hours long and you're just like, oh, I need to 1:03:31.680 --> 1:03:35.160 rewatch that. I barely remember that one it's not great. 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:37.560 I mean it's I think it was like critically acclaimed, 1:03:37.560 --> 1:03:41.240 but it's deeply boring. It's so boring, like you know, 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:43.120 who done it? They've gotta be fast and they gotta 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:45.600 be fun and this is a clue? Does it? It's great? 1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:47.280 There's a movie I think you would like. It's not 1:03:47.360 --> 1:03:49.240 really a who Done It? But it takes place in 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:52.760 the context of like rich family and it all. It 1:03:52.840 --> 1:03:56.320 mostly takes place within their mansion. But that movie ready 1:03:56.400 --> 1:03:59.360 or not? Oh, I haven't seen that. It was fun. 1:03:59.400 --> 1:04:01.960 I liked it a lot. I'm down. I'm like, I'm 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:05.280 looking for for fun, like thrillers and Who Done It? 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:08.040 Are are my ship? Like it puts me in a 1:04:08.080 --> 1:04:13.400 good mood. Yeah, So does this movie pass the Bichtel test? Honestly, 1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:15.840 I have no idea because I was too busy trying 1:04:15.880 --> 1:04:18.840 to follow the plot to pay attention to that I was. 1:04:18.960 --> 1:04:21.480 I was also a little unclear. I think that there 1:04:21.520 --> 1:04:23.600 are passing things where there's a few times where like 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:27.480 Mrs Peacock will say something to Scarlett and Scarlett will respond, 1:04:28.280 --> 1:04:32.120 but there's no there's no scene between two women. There 1:04:32.240 --> 1:04:35.160 is only like women talking to each other in passing 1:04:35.240 --> 1:04:39.240 in the crossfire. But the but often the subtext of 1:04:39.280 --> 1:04:42.960 the conversation is who killed this man? Uh so? Or 1:04:43.040 --> 1:04:45.840 there's a man will respond to a quiet like I 1:04:45.840 --> 1:04:49.000 would say soft. No, there might be some barely passes, 1:04:49.040 --> 1:04:51.880 but I would say probably not right because even though 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:55.760 there is like pretty even there's like gender parody. Generally 1:04:55.800 --> 1:04:58.040 some of the side characters who come and then get 1:04:58.160 --> 1:05:02.280 murdered right away. If you include everybody you see on screen, 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:05.360 there are probably more men. But as far as like 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:08.080 the core cast, it feels like there are. It's pretty 1:05:08.120 --> 1:05:12.120 split down the middle. But anytime like characters have to 1:05:12.160 --> 1:05:15.080 pair off together, it's always like a man paired with 1:05:15.120 --> 1:05:17.280 a woman. There's there are no which is kind of 1:05:17.320 --> 1:05:22.080 a bummer. Yeah, definitely no extended conversations between women. Yeah, 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:24.640 like you said, it might just be like oh, two 1:05:24.720 --> 1:05:26.480 line thing here and there. But again I didn't even 1:05:26.560 --> 1:05:29.520 notice there were. I wrote down my favorite um exchange 1:05:29.560 --> 1:05:35.360 between two women. This is uh ms Scarlett asking Mrs 1:05:35.400 --> 1:05:38.360 Peacock at dinner. I think this is in response to 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:43.920 Professor Plum Mr Plum saying that he doesn't practice medicine anymore, 1:05:44.200 --> 1:05:47.200 and Miss Scarlett says, I think most men need a 1:05:47.200 --> 1:05:50.440 little practice, don't you, Mrs Peacock. But of course that 1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:53.840 doesn't even pass because she says men right in the 1:05:53.920 --> 1:05:58.520 damn sentence. But yeah, I kind of stopped. I forgot 1:05:58.600 --> 1:06:01.280 to keep paying attention after the inner scene of like 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:04.120 women talking to each other. But there are a few 1:06:04.280 --> 1:06:07.840 like again to line exchanges between women, but they're always like, hey, 1:06:07.960 --> 1:06:11.960 Mrs White, what does your husband do? Uh? That's like 1:06:12.040 --> 1:06:14.840 Mrs Peacock asking her things like that. So basically I 1:06:14.920 --> 1:06:19.240 know I would say no, and I guess let's just 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:22.680 jump on over to the nipple scale. So this is 1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:24.800 our our nipple scale on a scale of one to 1:06:24.880 --> 1:06:28.320 five nipples. How well do we zero? Zero, zero, sorry, 1:06:28.400 --> 1:06:32.320 zero to five. I've been on this show before the 1:06:32.800 --> 1:06:35.560 zero to five. Based on how well we feel it 1:06:35.680 --> 1:06:41.000 represents women, I'm going to give it. I think between 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:44.560 how often we see women be assaulted, and even if 1:06:44.560 --> 1:06:47.240 the women push back against the man who is assaulting 1:06:47.280 --> 1:06:50.120 her in that moment, the movie always frames it as 1:06:50.160 --> 1:06:56.240 a visual joke, and just between everything we've talked about, 1:06:56.280 --> 1:06:59.160 I'm going to give it maybe a two. Because some 1:06:59.200 --> 1:07:02.040 of the women, like women do often, like you said, Jamie, 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:08.040 have agency. They have motivations for murdering each other and 1:07:08.240 --> 1:07:12.520 also murdering men. They're doing stuff their active participants in 1:07:12.560 --> 1:07:17.360 the story. I feel like of the discoveries that get 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:22.640 made or the clues that get found, and like the 1:07:22.760 --> 1:07:26.320 characters piecing things together, I feel like it's mostly men 1:07:26.440 --> 1:07:30.200 doing that, and it's honestly mostly Wadsworth, like Tim Curry 1:07:30.200 --> 1:07:32.600 seems to be doing a lot of it. But even 1:07:32.680 --> 1:07:35.960 like when they discover like the secret do okay, I 1:07:36.000 --> 1:07:39.960 remember what's his name? Colonel Mustard discovers the one secret passageway? 1:07:40.120 --> 1:07:42.760 Do you remember if it's miss Scarlett that does the 1:07:42.800 --> 1:07:46.280 other wonderful time? I took that as a note as 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:49.640 well that I forgot to REVERI right. Yeah, all of 1:07:49.720 --> 1:07:53.240 the plan making after them as the murders are being committed, 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:56.320 all of the plan making is initiated by male characters, 1:07:56.400 --> 1:07:59.520 and all of all of the major discoveries, unless there's 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:02.000 something We're my thing, are made by male characters. But 1:08:02.040 --> 1:08:04.520 it's like Colonel Mustard at one point says Okay, this 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:06.760 is what we need to do, and then Wadsworth takes 1:08:06.760 --> 1:08:08.360 over and it's like, okay, we're gonna do the short 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:11.000 stick thing and blah blah blah blah blah, Like women 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:15.080 don't really initiate the plan ever. Okay, in that case, 1:08:15.120 --> 1:08:16.519 I'm going to drop it down to one and a 1:08:16.600 --> 1:08:19.080 half nipples. Then it is a really fun movie that 1:08:19.120 --> 1:08:23.720 I enjoy. But yeah, women aren't given enough to do. 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:27.160 They're not given any sort of like skill because like 1:08:27.200 --> 1:08:29.760 with the Colonel Mustard thing, being like I'm military, so 1:08:29.840 --> 1:08:32.360 I have a good strategy, Like he's given a background 1:08:32.360 --> 1:08:36.160 that enables him to like do stuff, whereas all the 1:08:36.200 --> 1:08:40.400 women have her husband's and that's how they are identified, 1:08:40.520 --> 1:08:43.040 except for Miss Scarlett, and even just ends up using 1:08:43.040 --> 1:08:47.519 her sexuality to like try to seduce people sometimes, but 1:08:47.560 --> 1:08:49.920 then she also gets assaulted. It's a mess. One and 1:08:49.960 --> 1:08:53.240 a half nipples, uh, and I'll give I guess I'll 1:08:53.280 --> 1:08:57.040 just divvy them up between Mrs Peacock, Miss Scarlett, and 1:08:57.160 --> 1:08:59.360 Mrs White, but also a vet and also the cook. No, 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:01.719 just kidding, gonna give all one and a half nipples 1:09:01.760 --> 1:09:05.200 to the cook. She deserved far better than she got 1:09:05.600 --> 1:09:07.960 before I give Well, I'm also going to give it 1:09:08.000 --> 1:09:10.000 a one and a half. But I think Alfred Molena 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:14.160 could have played Tim Curry's part very well. He would 1:09:14.160 --> 1:09:17.240 have really been If there is ever a Cluery boot, 1:09:17.920 --> 1:09:20.840 bring him in, he would kill it. And Alfred Willna 1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:23.960 is never allowed to be identifiably British, so it would 1:09:23.960 --> 1:09:27.400 be a great opportunity for him. True. I think alf 1:09:27.520 --> 1:09:31.760 Milena could have played every single party like this is 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:34.480 a movie made for him. It's like kind of disappointing 1:09:34.520 --> 1:09:36.280 that he was not in it. But and I don't 1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:38.840 mean every character would have been good for him. I'm 1:09:38.920 --> 1:09:42.000 saying he should be cast in every single role all 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:46.240 uh nutty Professor Eddie Murphy. Yeah, yeah, like when Deep 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:50.320 Roy was every Opa loompa in the Yeah, that's what 1:09:50.360 --> 1:09:55.720 I mean. And all Alfred Molina reboot. I swear to go, 1:09:55.840 --> 1:09:57.880 mark my words, one day Alfred Willna is going to 1:09:57.920 --> 1:10:02.160 starve my rescpute in movie and then it's over for everybody. Um, 1:10:02.200 --> 1:10:04.200 I'm gonna give this movie one and a half as well. 1:10:04.560 --> 1:10:07.240 I think that the Who Done It genre has a 1:10:07.280 --> 1:10:09.799 lot of potential for women because you have to empower 1:10:09.840 --> 1:10:12.720 all your characters on a fairly even keel. But I 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:16.200 don't think this movie does the best of um making 1:10:16.439 --> 1:10:20.559 use of that freedom and necessity. UM. I think if 1:10:20.680 --> 1:10:22.920 there had been a female writer involved or more women 1:10:22.960 --> 1:10:25.920 involved in general. Um, that would probably not be the case, 1:10:26.560 --> 1:10:30.480 but I like, I mean, I just all the performances 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:34.760 from female actors in this movie are great. Um, I 1:10:34.760 --> 1:10:38.639 I agree that the cook deserve better, the cop deserve better. Uh, 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:40.639 it's a very I mean, it's a very white movie 1:10:40.680 --> 1:10:43.599 and it's a very white genre. Um that is due 1:10:43.720 --> 1:10:47.800 for you know, like some just different perspectives because it's like, 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:50.200 I'm sure that there's ones I don't know about, but 1:10:50.439 --> 1:10:53.920 like all the major who done it canon is straight 1:10:53.920 --> 1:10:56.920 white guys. Yeah, listeners, if you have any suggestions for 1:10:57.200 --> 1:11:01.519 ones that deviate from that mole, let us know. That 1:11:01.520 --> 1:11:03.040 would be great. Yeah, I mean, and it's like and 1:11:03.320 --> 1:11:07.480 I love Ryan Johnson, but including Ryan Johnson. Uh anyways, 1:11:07.600 --> 1:11:09.960 uh yeah, one point five. I'm going to give mine 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:12.799 to Mrs White because I like that she's a stone 1:11:12.840 --> 1:11:19.960 cold killer. Yeah. Yeah, that's the episode gang. That's all, folks, 1:11:20.000 --> 1:11:23.000 Thanks for listening. You can follow us on social media 1:11:23.200 --> 1:11:27.440 on Twitter and Instagram. 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