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Speaker 2: Linda, I'd like to ask you this. You're good shared
Speaker 2: this with me the last time that we talked, when
Speaker 2: I was up in Rachel. What it's like now, whether
Speaker 2: there's still any residual effects in effect something like PTSD.
Speaker 2: Do the two of you wake up at night wondering
Speaker 2: are the agents coming back? Do you kind of get
Speaker 2: a cold sweat, peek out the window kind of thing.
Speaker 3: It's not as bad as it was for the first
Speaker 3: probably six months for me. I mean, yes, if we
Speaker 3: hear a noise, my ears perk up and I'm you know,
Speaker 3: looking at the doors. I'll be honest, I have to
Speaker 3: laugh because sometimes because it happened on a Thursday, that's
Speaker 3: the Wednesday night, is when I think about it, like,
Speaker 3: you know, that is this the day that they're you
Speaker 3: know Thursdays? Is that the day that they come? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: it doesn't leave, it doesn't completely go away. So but
Speaker 3: it's very very I think I can manage it a
Speaker 3: lot better now than I could for the first probably
Speaker 3: six months.
Speaker 2: The irony to me, Yorg is, you know, remember a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, Storm fifty one. All the UFO
Speaker 2: people wanted to cross the base and storm the facility
Speaker 2: and let's see those aliens. And you were sort of
Speaker 2: the leader at the opposition. No, it's a bad idea,
Speaker 2: don't do it. Yes, security at the base could stop you.
Speaker 2: You get in trouble, thrown in jail. You just thought
Speaker 2: it was a bad idea. All the way around. You
Speaker 2: were basically sticking up for Area fifty one and its secrecy.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I was. I went to several commissioners meetings
Speaker 4: speaking against the storm Area fifty one event. I wanted
Speaker 4: to have the whole area completely closed off to visitors
Speaker 4: and thereby eliminate the problem. But they didn't listen to me,
Speaker 4: and I did what I could on the Rachel website,
Speaker 4: which I also manage. The address is rachel dash Nevada
Speaker 4: dot com. On that, let's say I try to inform people,
Speaker 4: you know, this is the desert. We are a town
Speaker 4: of fifty people on a good day. Don't expect anything.
Speaker 4: Any facilities here, don't expect you know, we're going to
Speaker 4: be running out of water, We're going to be running
Speaker 4: out of food, We're going to be running out of
Speaker 4: there's no gas in Rachel at the time the gas
Speaker 4: station wasn't open. So if we have three million or
Speaker 4: even three hundred thousand people coming to Rachel at the
Speaker 4: same time, Rachel cannot handle it. An Area fifty one
Speaker 4: is going to have their ways, you know, they they
Speaker 4: don't need to you know, they said, well they can't.
Speaker 4: I don't know, they can't kill us all or whatever
Speaker 4: they said. And they're stupid to call for the storm
Speaker 4: Area fifty one deal. They don't need to do that.
Speaker 4: They have much better ways of dealing with intruders, and
Speaker 4: nobody's going to get through. You know, they've found weapons
Speaker 4: and all that stuff. They are very sophisticated intuitionion devices.
Speaker 4: You're not going to sneak in there. And as it happened,
Speaker 4: the event ended up being a lot less people than thought.
Speaker 4: But yes, I was very much I guess doing the
Speaker 4: job of Avery fifty one pr by saying this is
Speaker 4: not a good idea, and if you come to have
Speaker 4: a good time, by all means, do that, but don't
Speaker 4: try to storm the boundary. Don't don't try to don't
Speaker 4: try to sneak into Area fifty one. What people don't
Speaker 4: realize is it's not like in the X files. When
Speaker 4: motor jumps over the fence and he's right into inside
Speaker 4: the base, you're looking at fifteen miles of desert. Even
Speaker 4: if you penetrate the boundary, Even if you make it
Speaker 4: across the boundary and make it past the camel dudes,
Speaker 4: the security guys, you're still looking at fifteen miles of
Speaker 4: desert with all kinds of surveillance devices before you even
Speaker 4: get to see the base.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about what they were really after,
Speaker 2: what this was all about. Please share with our listeners
Speaker 2: about the warrants, what you were able to see when
Speaker 2: they finally hand your copies of the warrant, how much
Speaker 2: information is contained therein.
Speaker 4: Well, the first thing I noticed was that the copy
Speaker 4: of the warrant that I was handed started on page
Speaker 4: I think thirty nine or forty, so there was a
Speaker 4: bunch of pages missing that I have no idea what
Speaker 4: they say. The search one is sealed. I'm sorry the file,
Speaker 4: and the file is sealed, I can't get any more information.
Speaker 4: And the search ones it speaks in vague terms about
Speaker 4: taking photos of area fifty one, publishing photos of area
Speaker 4: fifty one, selling photos of area fifty one. That is
Speaker 4: not a crime. People do it all day long. Like
Speaker 4: I said, Google, Google Earth has better images of Area
Speaker 4: fifty one and they market these images. Yes, I have
Speaker 4: sold images that I took off Area fifty one to
Speaker 4: various movie productions, to documentary productions. That is, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: not a crime. And you know, anyone can go on
Speaker 4: Google Earth and get better pictures. So this was, again
Speaker 4: I think, an attempt to bully me. And unfortunately, and
Speaker 4: now I'm getting to something that I really would like
Speaker 4: to listeners to know. Unfortunately, I made a bad decision
Speaker 4: and removed some content from my website. I was bullied
Speaker 4: into that decision. I was scared at the time. I
Speaker 4: regret removing that content and I am in the process
Speaker 4: of restoring that content.
Speaker 2: So you took a guess. You took a guess at
Speaker 2: what content might have checked them off.
Speaker 4: Essentially, I removed the most recent additions to the website.
Speaker 4: I figured, Okay, if they come down on me like this,
Speaker 4: it's gotta be something to here the reason. So there
Speaker 4: was a number of recent images that I had posted
Speaker 4: that I decided at the time, Again, it was a
Speaker 4: bad decision. It is not an admission of fields by
Speaker 4: any way. I was bullied into not thinking straight. I
Speaker 4: removed those images. I have in the meantime restored the images.
Speaker 4: If people know how to get to the Internet archives,
Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of people will know what I'm
Speaker 4: talking about. They can see the images again. As they
Speaker 4: pull up pages that contained the images from before the raid,
Speaker 4: they can see the images. And I am in the
Speaker 4: process of restoring the HTML code also that contained these images,
Speaker 4: so they will soon be back on my website.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about what it might have been. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 4: I have nothing to hide, and this was a bad decision,
Speaker 4: no admission of guild. And you know, if I did
Speaker 4: something wrong, it wasn't in those images, and I don't
Speaker 4: know what it is. And I want I want to
Speaker 4: be fully transparent. I want people to see. Okay, here's
Speaker 4: the search warrant. Here is exactly what I have. Here
Speaker 4: is what I know. This is my communication or lax
Speaker 4: eraor with the FBI. So I started the website Area
Speaker 4: fifty fifty one FBI rate dot com again Area fifty
Speaker 4: one FBI rate dot com, and I published everything I
Speaker 4: have about the case on that website. The search warrants
Speaker 4: are there photos of the damage, They cause. Is there
Speaker 4: the lies that they told us communication with various representatives
Speaker 4: in Congress that we ask for help. It's all on
Speaker 4: that website and we also have a link to a
Speaker 4: go fundly page on that website. I would like to
Speaker 4: take this opportunity to think from the bottom of our hearts,
Speaker 4: thanks those people that helped us out with a go
Speaker 4: Fundily page. We have recovered more than half of the damages,
Speaker 4: more than half of the thirty three thousand dollars that
Speaker 4: we haven't damages, and we are very very grateful for
Speaker 4: the people that helped out with financial support and also
Speaker 4: emotional support in this difficult time after the race.
Speaker 2: We ask you about the agencies involved. You mentioned FBI
Speaker 2: a bunch of times, but there's somebody else that's involved.
Speaker 2: That's OSI Office of you know, the Office of Specional
Speaker 2: Investigations for the Air Force. What were they sort of
Speaker 2: the impetus you think for this thing that they got
Speaker 2: the FBI to be the muscle for this operation. Were
Speaker 2: they leading the interrogation or could you tell that is
Speaker 2: what it.
Speaker 4: Looks like to me. The OSI doesn't have jurisdiction over
Speaker 4: American civilians, so they needed the FBI to be the muscle.
Speaker 4: Like you said, it came from the OSI, there's no
Speaker 4: doubt about it. And the two agents that were interrogating me,
Speaker 4: one of them, like I said, was an OLSI agent,
Speaker 4: and he seemed to be the one much more interested
Speaker 4: in interrogating me and in getting information out of it.
Speaker 4: So the way I understand the situation at this point
Speaker 4: is that somebody way up in the food chain of
Speaker 4: the air Force stumbled upon my website or about some
Speaker 4: content on my website and had a fit. And when
Speaker 4: somebody way up in the food chain has a fit,
Speaker 4: that is not good. So people under him got a
Speaker 4: federal judge to sign off on the search warrant to
Speaker 4: silence me, to shut down my website. And this comes
Speaker 4: from one I toldly believe this comes from one individual,
Speaker 4: or from a very small group of individuals high up
Speaker 4: in the US air for food chain. And they better
Speaker 4: hope that I better not ever find out who they are.
Speaker 2: You know, not to let the FBI off the hook.
Speaker 2: But I think I've told you this in person. I've
Speaker 2: worked with the FBI on pretty big stories over the years.
Speaker 2: I still like to think of them as the good
Speaker 2: guys in this not necessarily in this but in general,
Speaker 2: after you and I talked the last time, I reached
Speaker 2: out to some federal law enforcement people that I knew
Speaker 2: and described the situation. They said, look, we don't make
Speaker 2: this stuff up. We don't go on vendettas in general,
Speaker 2: and if a federal magistrates signed off on it, there
Speaker 2: must be something that was able to use to convince
Speaker 2: that judge that this was worth pursuing that the search
Speaker 2: warrant was in fact warranted. So I guess the concern
Speaker 2: is what could be You know, you're usually pretty careful
Speaker 2: about the content. Here's one of the thing that came
Speaker 2: to my mind. You tell me what you think about it.
Speaker 2: Is so there was a guy who a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago flew over Area fifty one with permission. I
Speaker 2: don't I know he had permission to fly over it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he had permission to shoot video.
Speaker 2: But he recorded a whole bunch of images, and he
Speaker 2: gives a lot of them to me at KLAS. We
Speaker 2: put him on the air and put them on a website.
Speaker 2: And I guess maybe he gave more of them to you.
Speaker 2: Have you thought that maybe something in that was what
Speaker 2: set them off.
Speaker 4: I don't think that is what set them off that
Speaker 4: might have contributed to it, like a million other things
Speaker 4: as well, the images that we took from Tikaboo and
Speaker 4: all that. I don't want to comment on that too much.
Speaker 4: I do not think that what he did. I know
Speaker 4: that what he did was not illegal. I don't think
Speaker 4: that it has any that is should give any one
Speaker 4: reason for alarm. I think this was more of a
Speaker 4: bullying tactic that was targeted against me. What may and
Speaker 4: here I'm really speculating what may or may not be
Speaker 4: a factor in this whole thing is. Shortly after this happened,
Speaker 4: I was contacted by someone who claims to have flown
Speaker 4: a drone into the airspace of Area fifty one to
Speaker 4: propose lake and to have taken pictures there. This was
Speaker 4: like within two or three days after the raid, and
Speaker 4: he said something along the lines I'm sorry you got
Speaker 4: in trouble. I am probably the reason, and this is
Speaker 4: what I did, kind of bragging about it, and you know,
Speaker 4: I thought I must to myself. A consumer drone can't
Speaker 4: do that. So either this guy has a very sophisticated
Speaker 4: drawn or he's just talking. So I didn't take any chances.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be a good citizen still after the raid.
Speaker 4: After all they did to me, and I forwarded it
Speaker 4: that emails straight to the FBI. I have never heard
Speaker 4: anything about it. I the FBI didn't even acknowledge the receipt.
Speaker 4: I did what I had to do. I don't know
Speaker 4: if the guy was so real. If he was, then
Speaker 4: of course that would have really been a big reason
Speaker 4: for concern, and they might have thought, hey, this guy
Speaker 4: and Rachel has a drawn maybe that was him, and
Speaker 4: you know, maybe it was just a case of mistaken identity.
Speaker 4: Who knows. I have never had contact with that guy. Again,
Speaker 4: I have never seen the pictures. I don't know if
Speaker 4: they exist, and I know nothing, and I don't want
Speaker 4: to know anything about what he did.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've said it before that you know, you
Speaker 2: can get better images of the base and whatever's going
Speaker 2: on out there from Google Earth or other kinds of platforms.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff out there, you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of eyes are on every fifty one. People are
Speaker 2: curious about it, in part because the secrecy is so
Speaker 2: off the charts, you know, it's it's can be a
Speaker 2: little excessive at times. People are naturally going to be
Speaker 2: curious about that aren't they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are. And you know you can buy satellite images.
Speaker 4: You can contact the satellite operator and you can tell them, hey,
Speaker 4: this is a rect angle, I want image an image
Speaker 4: of that rectangle. Give them the coordinates and they take
Speaker 4: you an act an image from today and they provided
Speaker 4: to you within a couple of days. It costs a
Speaker 4: couple thousand bucks, twenty five hundred bucks something like that,
Speaker 4: and you get a very current photo of Area fifty
Speaker 4: one in thirty three centimeter in about one foot detail
Speaker 4: one square foot detail. It's it's really Area fifty one
Speaker 4: has been always so good at keeping things under wraps
Speaker 4: that what they don't want you to see you on
Speaker 4: the going to see they have all these hangars and
Speaker 4: they're building a new big hangar every two years. Every
Speaker 4: two years there's a new hangart area of jewelry. And
Speaker 4: that's all they need. They put the good stuff in there,
Speaker 4: and they fly it at night. I mean when you
Speaker 4: know in Rachel will hear stuff flying at night all
Speaker 4: the time, but who's to tell what it is. And
Speaker 4: during the daytime it looks like any other military base
Speaker 4: and you can look at it all day long. I
Speaker 4: could hike up to the hills. If I still could
Speaker 4: right around area fifty one, like Freedom Ridge that was
Speaker 4: accessible up until nineteen ninety five, and I could look
Speaker 4: at it and I would probably not see anything that
Speaker 4: is of any concern. They have the security down so
Speaker 4: well and they have all the infrastructure for it that
Speaker 4: nothing is exposed that shouldn't be exposed.
Speaker 2: Makes you wonder if there was some wide panorama that
Speaker 2: somebody talk at somewhere there's one tiny glimpse a part
Speaker 2: of something that set them off that wasn't supposed to
Speaker 2: be seen because somebody made a mistake.
Speaker 4: Well, if that's the case, then they would have been
Speaker 4: much better off to let me know in private, Hey, look,
Speaker 4: take this image down. I would have taken it down,
Speaker 4: nobody would have known anything about it, and it would
Speaker 4: have been gone. But by making it a big deal.
Speaker 4: If that's the case, then yeah, it's going to be
Speaker 4: very soon. It's going to be back on my website.
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