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Speaker 1: We've got a lot coming at you when where it
Speaker 1: comes to the Cardinals and the Cowboys Monday Night Football Cup.
Speaker 1: In just a little bit, we're gonna preview Cardinals offense. Well,
Speaker 1: they've got some weapons coming to town this week against
Speaker 1: this hopefully healthier Cowboys defense. Whatever the time comes around
Speaker 1: this week, we'll still figure out a lot today where
Speaker 1: it comes to the Cowboys getting back on the practice
Speaker 1: field and seeing some injury reports on who will be
Speaker 1: available coming up on Monday Night. But we are Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Heck My Harrison, Rock Phillips, Isaiah stand back, I'm Kyle's
Speaker 1: glad you're with us and guys. I wanted to start
Speaker 1: the show with a little bit of draft news. Of course,
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft still about eight months away, or I
Speaker 1: guess it's it's still a good amount of time away.
Speaker 1: But I think there's an emerging prospect of the NFL
Speaker 1: Draft that's in our very hometown, in our very area.
Speaker 1: Because I got a text message esway from a close
Speaker 1: insider whenever it comes to Dallas Cowboys draft coverage, and
Speaker 1: it was a football game footage in a statline that
Speaker 1: I saw from a local game. Heck, my Harrison's son,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you have got twenty twenty eight NFL
Speaker 1: draft prospects on your hand. It's my friend, because this
Speaker 1: guy just went off yesterday. He told me that stout
Speaker 1: linking man, Chris Beab is too much, man, And I'm
Speaker 1: echoing too, Chris, thank you. He hates to what I
Speaker 1: do like that. But my little man had a game yesterday, man,
Speaker 1: he had a he had a he had a game yesterday.
Speaker 1: Uh well, three touchdowns, uh two kickoff returns and man
Speaker 1: a forty five yard run. Man. So you know, I'm proud.
Speaker 1: I'm that parent, I'm that parent. Do you know he's
Speaker 1: not on that deer antler is he He's not on
Speaker 1: that ray lewis Man, but one of the bringing that
Speaker 1: up had the kick returns sent in our Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: group message and little Hack as we call him, was just, uh,
Speaker 1: he was being a heck of a ruckiss what it
Speaker 1: was throughout his game yesterday. So hey, congratul a little
Speaker 1: heck and he gets a little shallot shout out to
Speaker 1: start things off. But let's put into let's get into
Speaker 1: some Cowboys news and Rob, we talked about the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: signing yesterday, and uh, there's a couple of injury got
Speaker 1: injury fronts that we need to kind of address whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to who is available coming off of IR
Speaker 1: here in the next couple of days and leading into
Speaker 1: this week against the Arizona Cardinals. Who is the who
Speaker 1: is eligible to come off of IR at the moment?
Speaker 1: Is Cheeto Owoozia one of those games as well? Yes
Speaker 1: he is. I believe he's eligible. Right it's a three
Speaker 1: week mum, so I think he's been out for three
Speaker 1: weeks at this point. Cam Irving, the offensive tackle who
Speaker 1: is a possible swing tackle candidate injury training camp. Cam
Speaker 1: Irving and I didn't say, Flaming, I said Irving, I
Speaker 1: got right. Yeah, Am Irving and Layton Vanderesh are in
Speaker 1: good shape to come back soon. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's gonna be this week, but they started their practice
Speaker 1: window and Vincel Bryant did as well wide receiver last week,
Speaker 1: so that's a good sign because they've got to be
Speaker 1: back on the active roster within you know that twenty
Speaker 1: one day period whence it starts, So you know, vander
Speaker 1: esh is a guy to watch this week. We'll see.
Speaker 1: McCarthy mentioned the fact that on extra day, a longer
Speaker 1: week might help him, So maybe with a strong practice week,
Speaker 1: he's got a chance to come back. But I would
Speaker 1: look at those two, I'm not sure if he's quite
Speaker 1: ready yet. They yet to start his clock yet, so
Speaker 1: maybe that happens this week. We'll see. And of course
Speaker 1: the clock that Rob is referring to twenty one days
Speaker 1: following being taken off of ir put on the practicield rather,
Speaker 1: is when you have to put him on the active
Speaker 1: roster as a part of these new les with COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty twenty NFL season temporary rules at the moment.
Speaker 1: But Isaiah, whenever we talk about adding a Layton vander
Speaker 1: Esh and adding you know, a Hoosier back into the fold,
Speaker 1: and even I'll throw a crick Cam Irving in there
Speaker 1: as well, because that's been a problem spot for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at least throughout the course of the season. He
Speaker 1: may be starting right tackle if you think, uh, Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele is worth a demotion at least at this point.
Speaker 1: Even I thought he had maybe his best game on Sunday.
Speaker 1: But what do you what does due to a team
Speaker 1: that is still kind of reeling from the Dak Prescott injury.
Speaker 1: You want to build some confidence and you get some
Speaker 1: guys back. I mean, it's it's all a position base, right,
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't think I'm off as a
Speaker 1: line I don't think we have anybody that's gonna be
Speaker 1: coming off of I r M who is eligible to
Speaker 1: play that's gonna be a huge impact, right, It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a game change. I think those guys are all
Speaker 1: relatively interchangeable at this point. I think they're all competing
Speaker 1: for the same spots, so that that I don't see
Speaker 1: too much of a too much of an impact at
Speaker 1: the linebacker position. It would be nice to have lv
Speaker 1: N but I don't want them to bring him back,
Speaker 1: can risk angry too soon. I'd rather than bring him
Speaker 1: later then sooner, right. Um, I don't think that he
Speaker 1: is of urgent need at this point in time. If
Speaker 1: there's nothing that he's gonna provide to this team, now,
Speaker 1: that's gonna that's gonna be a big while. Um. If
Speaker 1: this defensive line doesn't decide to play ball, then the
Speaker 1: linebackers are all void anyway. So I think the I
Speaker 1: think they should take their time with him and get
Speaker 1: him healthy, especially with this schedule getting a little bit
Speaker 1: easier after this week's game. And then as you go
Speaker 1: to secondary, Cheeto, if the cheetah's available to play, bring
Speaker 1: his butt back. Because these boys got some cheetahs out here,
Speaker 1: and they got some they got some dolls. I know
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk about d Hop, but
Speaker 1: these guys don't forget. There's a Hall of Famer on
Speaker 1: the opposite side of d hop that by the name
Speaker 1: of Fitzgerald, and you may want to keep an eye
Speaker 1: on him. So these guys have three very very established
Speaker 1: receivers um and they have a quarterback who can get
Speaker 1: the ball around. So if Cheeta's available, to bring him back,
Speaker 1: everybody else get him healthy. No, I agree with that, Champ.
Speaker 1: I think that getting Cheeto would would do a lot
Speaker 1: for the second there, especially with the task that they
Speaker 1: have in front of them and DeAndre Hopkins. But you
Speaker 1: start to see just little signs that the secondary they're
Speaker 1: starting to communicate a lot better. I think that was
Speaker 1: the number one thing that we were just questioning, is
Speaker 1: their ability to communicate pass off receivers to one another
Speaker 1: in their coverages, and so getting Cheeto back is going
Speaker 1: to be a big value for these guys. But LV,
Speaker 1: I'm with Isaiah on that man when it comes down
Speaker 1: to the neck injury that he already had dealing with
Speaker 1: the broken collar bone, where is his confidence? Where is
Speaker 1: his mental Is he going to be the wolf hunter
Speaker 1: like we know him to be with those injuries? So
Speaker 1: I'm kind of on the part sign of caution with that,
Speaker 1: especially with the Phoenix game. But I know going into
Speaker 1: some of our NFC East games that we're gonna have
Speaker 1: after this, he would be an added addition to to
Speaker 1: the defense. Yeah, with the cars coming up, I mean
Speaker 1: you've got Kenyan Drake, You've got even Chase Edmonds in
Speaker 1: the backfield. These are two guys that I know we'll
Speaker 1: talk about here and just a little bit that you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to keep an eye on. But really the
Speaker 1: containment problem is Kyler Murray. And I think whenever you
Speaker 1: have both LV and Jaln Smith and let's throw Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas in there, if Joe Thomas wants to see playing time,
Speaker 1: I think he's earned a little bit of a rotation
Speaker 1: into that linebacking course. So I think overall, having Layton
Speaker 1: vander esh Rob is going to free up your defense
Speaker 1: in order to allow them to be successful against Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray and in containment. Right, Yeah, And I absolutely I
Speaker 1: had a question for Isaiah on that subject. As I'm
Speaker 1: hearing myself talk, I think you're on the line the phone,
Speaker 1: you got the phone and you're being open. Then okay,
Speaker 1: I just muted myself. Sorry, guys, I'm all over the
Speaker 1: place today, That's all right, Vanderesh, Yeah, you're right. I
Speaker 1: think in terms of you know, when he's health and
Speaker 1: Isaiah's right, you gotta be ready for him one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten percent. You don't want him to
Speaker 1: reinjure that collarbone. They're not gonna put him out there
Speaker 1: until that happens. I think that puts everybody back in
Speaker 1: their spot. You know, if you put him back in
Speaker 1: middle linebacker, he's calling the defense. I think that does
Speaker 1: free of Jalen Smith some. But I had a question
Speaker 1: for Isaiah in terms of we talked about spies QB
Speaker 1: spies with Russell Wilson a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: I'm just watching the tape of Kyler. Is that even
Speaker 1: more of a need this week? Because I mean they
Speaker 1: just run straight draws with him, design draws where he's
Speaker 1: you know, he's not even thinking about an option to throw,
Speaker 1: and what do you do with that? Can you do that?
Speaker 1: At least some of the time. Yeah, I'm not a
Speaker 1: fan of it against this type of quarterback. Like for instance,
Speaker 1: like when I played a quarterback in college, right, teams
Speaker 1: will spy me and I would look forward to it, right,
Speaker 1: And when I when I knew a team was gonna
Speaker 1: try to spy me, actually got excited because I only
Speaker 1: have to beat one man and that that first guy's
Speaker 1: not going to get me. So, I mean, when you
Speaker 1: when you have that confidence, like like I'm sure that
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray has, it's almost like a joke. It's like
Speaker 1: Are you serious you think this one dude's gonna stop me.
Speaker 1: So whenever you spy like that, you're you're playing man
Speaker 1: to man coverage, right, So if you're playing man to
Speaker 1: man coverage, then you have one guy sticking Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: Then you really have no man sticking Kyler Murray because
Speaker 1: you need two guys at least to bring this guy down. So, um,
Speaker 1: I think you have to mix it in there. But
Speaker 1: I think you mix it in there along with your zone.
Speaker 1: So you play a basis on defense whether there's cover three,
Speaker 1: cover four, cover two, and then you have to bring
Speaker 1: I would bring in a nickel defender depending on whatever
Speaker 1: personnel they have, or extra dB to spy him. You
Speaker 1: don't spy him with a linebacker. Please don't spy him
Speaker 1: with a linebacker. Bring an extra guy in from the
Speaker 1: secondary whose agiles all get out like a brown, like
Speaker 1: a number thirty. Bring a Brown in and spy him.
Speaker 1: He has a quickness to really be able to be
Speaker 1: agile enough to stick with Kyler Murray. Yeah. I when
Speaker 1: while going back and watching their games, especially against the Lions,
Speaker 1: they did a really good job of that, bringing in
Speaker 1: a defensive back to to do a lot of spying
Speaker 1: on him because they do the read option and they
Speaker 1: know that they have the ability one on one with
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray that he can get out in a hurry
Speaker 1: and those design draws that he goes on. But it's
Speaker 1: it's almost like a repeat of the Seattle game because
Speaker 1: of their skill set as quarterbacks. So the Dallas Cowperls
Speaker 1: are definitely going to have to stay gap sound and
Speaker 1: make sure they get up the field. And another thing,
Speaker 1: because of his height on those passes, get their hands up.
Speaker 1: He likes to get out of the pocket to see
Speaker 1: the field because man, when he's standing amongst those trees,
Speaker 1: he can't see his receivers. That's a great point because
Speaker 1: I think early one of the they got down early
Speaker 1: against I guess it was Carolina and it was a
Speaker 1: tip pass for a pick and they kept him in
Speaker 1: the pocket and forced him to try to see over
Speaker 1: the trees, like you said. So that's that's that's key.
Speaker 1: Gotta get your hands up and get your hands on
Speaker 1: some balls and Kyler Murray will turn the football over.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is another guy who coming
Speaker 1: in leads the league and turnovers whenever. He's got six
Speaker 1: interceptions and eight touchdown passes so far. Sure he has
Speaker 1: a little bit more offensive success than maybe a Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones did last week, but he will give you a
Speaker 1: couple opportunities to take it away. Now, Isaiah, whenever you
Speaker 1: talk about using a player out of the secondaries seemingly
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown to come in and spy Kyler Murray, is
Speaker 1: that something? And this might be the question that really
Speaker 1: might no one in this entire defensive staff has to
Speaker 1: look at going forward. But are we able to do
Speaker 1: that in the secondary whenever we have to cover weapons
Speaker 1: like DeAndre Hopkins, Larry Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk out there
Speaker 1: as well. I think so. I think we have enough.
Speaker 1: We have We definitely have enough guys in the secondary
Speaker 1: to fulfill all those spots. You know, you have to
Speaker 1: take care of your most threatening positions, right and d
Speaker 1: hop obviously is number one. And then you go to
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald because you definitely can't look past a Hall of
Speaker 1: famer who decides to keep playing for forty seven years.
Speaker 1: He's still effective. But then you have to be able
Speaker 1: to you have to keep an eye on Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: because if you focus primarily on those guys, then you're
Speaker 1: gonna get beat. I know he faces a problem along
Speaker 1: and to say a problem, but he's challenged every week,
Speaker 1: and with people having the same ideologies that were just
Speaker 1: spoken spoken upon to say, hey, just stay, just keep
Speaker 1: him in the pocket and make him throw. He's going
Speaker 1: to continue to become a better passer, and I think
Speaker 1: he's kind of evolving that way. He just has to
Speaker 1: do away with some of those silly, silly decisions to
Speaker 1: toss the ball up in the area from time to time.
Speaker 1: Once he becomes more strategic and and protects the ball better.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has an issue sitting in a
Speaker 1: pocket and throwing the rock. But you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: sit in there and just play zone against him because
Speaker 1: these receivers are too good and our deepen as a
Speaker 1: line hasn't presented a problem in terms of pressure, so
Speaker 1: that doesn't really do anything for you. So you have
Speaker 1: to try to find a way to add add some
Speaker 1: kind of pressure and make him uncomfortable back there. But
Speaker 1: when you do so, you have to take one of
Speaker 1: those guys away from coming and blitzing on him because
Speaker 1: you need somebody to watch him. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: he presents a lot of problems man, he really does. Um.
Speaker 1: And I could tell you, you know, as a former
Speaker 1: quarterback who was pretty mobile, you know, you look forward
Speaker 1: to those teams that, like I said, that they are
Speaker 1: going to try to find a way to stop you.
Speaker 1: It's almost, um it's a it's a challenge. It's a
Speaker 1: direct challenge, and it's almost hysterical when you get out there.
Speaker 1: So he's got these guys got to strap up. You're
Speaker 1: right in that. Uh, he's a he's an accurate deep
Speaker 1: ball thrower. And you know he struggled against you know,
Speaker 1: the Carolina game where they had a two game losing streak.
Speaker 1: He struggled in that game and I think he only
Speaker 1: averaged like four yards an attempt but or completion. But um,
Speaker 1: he took some deep shots and he and they just missed.
Speaker 1: And and I think you know when they when they
Speaker 1: single up in man coverage and played you know, one
Speaker 1: single high safety there, they'll take some chances down field. Now, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you mentioned Christian Kirk, and that's another Aggie I've watched
Speaker 1: a lot. I felt like when he came out, he's
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, may not make a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl in his career, but he's gonna play for ten
Speaker 1: years and he's going to be successful. And you know,
Speaker 1: like Isaiah said, if you tried to zone up and
Speaker 1: play soft, he's a guy if you watch on tape,
Speaker 1: he's gonna find holes on crossing routes and beat you
Speaker 1: that way. So they really do have a nice receiving
Speaker 1: corps and receivers that are willing to block for each
Speaker 1: other in the running game and downfield. It's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a good versatile UH set of skill
Speaker 1: players they got. And when you talk about Christian Kirk specifically,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who beats you and
Speaker 1: for Cowboys fans to make it easy. He beats you
Speaker 1: a lot of the same ways as see the Lamb
Speaker 1: beats defense. It goes to the open space, uses his speed.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he does it as efficiently as see
Speaker 1: thee Lamb Seede. Lamb has been one of the better
Speaker 1: receivers in the NFL, A doing so so far this season. However,
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk does it a lot of the same way
Speaker 1: and not as much. But he's somebody that finds open space.
Speaker 1: And you talk about Larry Fitzgerald, this is an interesting
Speaker 1: stat that I was looking up a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and he just happened to be at the top of
Speaker 1: the list when you talk about receivers who have had
Speaker 1: at least one reception in each game of in a row,
Speaker 1: each consecutive game. He's had two hundred and forty eight
Speaker 1: straight games with a reception in the NFL that dates
Speaker 1: back to November seventh, two thousand and four. Yeah, boy
Speaker 1: was eight years old. I was eight years old the
Speaker 1: last time that Larry Fitzgerald swaddled did not. So the
Speaker 1: next closest one in that streak, by the way, is
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, and he's had one hundred and twenty one
Speaker 1: games without or with a reception that dates back to
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. And so you talk about doubling more than doubling.
Speaker 1: The second place of terms of wide receivers with the reception,
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald is the quote the definition of consistency. And
Speaker 1: we'll see that again coming up here on Monday. We're
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Speaker 1: do we stop these wide receivers and how does this
Speaker 1: defensive line get pressure on this Cardinals offensive line when
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Speaker 1: the Great Isaiah stand back and guys, we can we
Speaker 1: continue to preview and break down this Cardinals offense, which
Speaker 1: undoubtedly is the strength of their team, but we'll preview
Speaker 1: the defense tomorrow. They've got some strengths over there as well.
Speaker 1: One of them was just taken away though. Breaking news
Speaker 1: this morning, Chandler Jones, the linebacker who really has been
Speaker 1: one of the best in the league and a very
Speaker 1: underrated player in terms of his production on that side
Speaker 1: of the football, is out for the season to have
Speaker 1: surgery on a bicep injury that he sustained in that
Speaker 1: Week five win over the New York Jets. For those
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals and Chandler Jones out for the rest of
Speaker 1: the season, so the Cowboys do have to play in
Speaker 1: around not having him on the other side of the football,
Speaker 1: or at least they don't have to see him on
Speaker 1: the other side of the football. So that's something that's
Speaker 1: positive and not positive. You never want that to happen.
Speaker 1: I take that back, not positive at all. You want
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Speaker 1: But guys, whenever it talk, whenever you come to talk
Speaker 1: about this offense, the receivers are where you start. Of course,
Speaker 1: the DeAndre Hopkins trade that happened in March and really
Speaker 1: kind of caught the NFL by storm, and you pair
Speaker 1: up DeAndre Hopkins with a Kyler Murray and Isaiah I
Speaker 1: know you you've been watching the film. We did a
Speaker 1: film study breakdown yesterday. It's not just the fact that
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is a great football player, but Cliff kings
Speaker 1: he puts him in some tough situations for defenses to read. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this dude is creative, man. Um. I mean yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know where he's at. It reminds me of the
Speaker 1: coach from the Water Boy who had that little, that
Speaker 1: little green book and was just drawing up just craziness.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what. That's what I think Kingsbury's doing. Man.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's just man. They're drawing up whatever he wants. Man,
Speaker 1: these guys are they They're seemingly in some kind of
Speaker 1: altered pistol formation majority of the game. And they have
Speaker 1: a you know, Kyle Murray's five yards deep, the tailback
Speaker 1: seven yards deep and offset, Um, the tight end is
Speaker 1: offset the ball. He's offset and off the ball about
Speaker 1: three yards um. They're running motion, They're running fly sweeps,
Speaker 1: are running all kinds of stuff. Man. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is this is tough. This is tough, just even just
Speaker 1: from the look standpoint. Um. And I don't think that
Speaker 1: our defense has done a great job this year in
Speaker 1: terms of lining up um, the teams that that we've
Speaker 1: probably done the best with. You know, pretty much he's
Speaker 1: lined up and came at you. But you know we're
Speaker 1: gonna have these guys are gonna have to communicate. They're
Speaker 1: gonna test our defense. And we keep talking about communication.
Speaker 1: They're going to test our defense pre snap in terms
Speaker 1: of communication, and then post snap they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: find where they heck their assignments, right, because these guys
Speaker 1: are all over the place. Yeah, I said, you hit
Speaker 1: it with that, man, Because when I think about the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, they remind me a lot of the Rams
Speaker 1: in terms of their formations. Now, Kingsbury coach Kingsbury does
Speaker 1: a lot of formations. But when I look at this
Speaker 1: game and I just draw emphasis on something that this
Speaker 1: defense needs to stop immediately, and that's Kenyan Drake. The
Speaker 1: running game has been our Achilles Hill and just our
Speaker 1: inability to just get that stop. We did a little
Speaker 1: bit of We did a better job last week in
Speaker 1: the second half of slowing down Freeman, but Kenyan Drake
Speaker 1: is one of those running backs that he just gets
Speaker 1: better as the game goes along. Now, as far as
Speaker 1: their receivers are concerned, for me, Isabella, guys like Kurt,
Speaker 1: those possession receivers, they just keep the chains moving and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys from historically, and I don't need to just
Speaker 1: keep recapping the fact that we've been bad on defense
Speaker 1: and our inability to communicate and see guys running down
Speaker 1: the field Scott Free. I think this game gives me
Speaker 1: a lot more worry because of just recognizing their formation.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's gonna be a lot of assignment
Speaker 1: and making sure that you're playing in your area. But
Speaker 1: this is gonna be another big test for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense. Yeah, you guys are right. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many times Mike McCarthy and Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: have talked about like pre snap alignment and making sure
Speaker 1: before the snap we got everything, we're all squared away.
Speaker 1: And there's been games where they've been good at it,
Speaker 1: and there's been games where they've been really not good
Speaker 1: at it. So it's absolutely that's huge. This week you
Speaker 1: mentioned Kenyan Drake Heck and Chase Edmonds is a guy
Speaker 1: they kind of sprinkle into, and not only in the
Speaker 1: running game, but kind of Tony Pollard like in terms
Speaker 1: of skills in the passing game too. You might see
Speaker 1: him together in the backfield, you might see one of
Speaker 1: them split out. Uh, you guys, I said, You're right,
Speaker 1: they're They're really creative, and uh, you know, I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see from a pass rush standpoint what they do
Speaker 1: because you know, Bucky Brooks wrote about this on the
Speaker 1: website yesterday. He thinks they need a blitz more and
Speaker 1: they did blitz more in the second half against Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones and had success. But can you do that in
Speaker 1: this game against these wide receivers, you think so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you have to. I think you I think
Speaker 1: I defense because of how bad they've been, they're sitting
Speaker 1: ducks if they try and play it any other way.
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan has got to dial up some pressure. And
Speaker 1: you saw what we were able to do with Tank
Speaker 1: and getting that strip sack Um and Anthony Brown is
Speaker 1: right there as well. We have to do it. If
Speaker 1: we sit back our defense, our secondary isn't good enough
Speaker 1: to just sit back in those zones and cover of guys.
Speaker 1: We have to dial up some pressure. And it's to
Speaker 1: the point like if we start saying, okay, our defensive
Speaker 1: front has to get pressure, well, we hadn't seen that, man,
Speaker 1: And so it's hard to continue to ask for something
Speaker 1: that you're not getting otherwise. Man, it's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be on those secondary blisses. So I hear you, guys,
Speaker 1: I hear you, um. And I keep thinking about this
Speaker 1: from the perspective of what I was in college, because
Speaker 1: I was I was pretty dog on mobile and I
Speaker 1: had an arm as well. And can we talk about
Speaker 1: thinking about the mindset that I had. That's the third
Speaker 1: time that Isaiah has called himself mobile in college, and
Speaker 1: I just want to point that out that well, I
Speaker 1: mean his facts. You know, I'm kind of kind of.
Speaker 1: I'm just alluding to the mindset. Right when you're going
Speaker 1: to a game like this, you want to think you
Speaker 1: teams that teams that want to blitch you. I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you man kind of Murray's mindset. Teams that blitch you.
Speaker 1: Guess they might get lucky a couple of times, but
Speaker 1: majority of the time, I'm gonna make you pay. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to make you pay. And it's one thing
Speaker 1: if I don't have receivers that can beat man coverage,
Speaker 1: but guess what they do. Right, So if you decide
Speaker 1: to blitz and I make that guy miss, now guess what.
Speaker 1: Now you're vulnerable. Right now, you're vulnerable. And either I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take off and I'm gonna run for sixteen and
Speaker 1: twenty yards like Kyler Murray did. We showed it on
Speaker 1: the film room, or or I'm gonna throw this thing
Speaker 1: up and I got a man a man coverage with
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald or freaking d hop are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: We don't have guys if you guard either one of
Speaker 1: those guys man to man, let's be so. I mean,
Speaker 1: so you can't you can't, though, chimp, you know you
Speaker 1: can't just sit back. No, no, no, it wait on
Speaker 1: it to come to you. And I'm not what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about it from a situational awareness stand I'm saying
Speaker 1: thirty sixteen right, third and sixteen. Yeah, it's all right.
Speaker 1: I'm not mix it, mix it in in there. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying to sit back and never blitz. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying, don't let that be. Don't be the Seahawks
Speaker 1: versus you know, versus the Cowboys when they blitz, you know,
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams eight times on the first drive, like, don't
Speaker 1: be that because we can't. We can't, we can't guard it,
Speaker 1: we can't we can't play defense like that. Um. But
Speaker 1: just know that you want to be very careful about
Speaker 1: how you blitz and where you blitz from. If you're
Speaker 1: going to blitz, blitz internally, right, blitz up the middle,
Speaker 1: bring bring bring us secondary guys one of our dvs
Speaker 1: up the middle, bring you know, across dog these things
Speaker 1: with our middle linebackers. Do it that way. Don't come
Speaker 1: from the outside because you're gonna pay. And another thing,
Speaker 1: this is going to be the most challenging game as
Speaker 1: we talk about l V not being president and what
Speaker 1: he brings to his team. Jalen Smith is going to
Speaker 1: be challenged more than he's ever been challenged mentally in
Speaker 1: this game, being for the same reasons that we just
Speaker 1: talked about. He's responsible for the alignment of our defense,
Speaker 1: and if he doesn't get these guys aligned properly, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, there's gonna be some big players going up
Speaker 1: going to other direction. Now whenever he comes to what
Speaker 1: you're kind of just talking about it and you're you're, you're, you're,
Speaker 1: you're being situational with your blitzes, Isaiah, the question popped
Speaker 1: in my head, and I think I know your answer
Speaker 1: to this, But which one would you rather forced to
Speaker 1: beat you? Would you rather force Kyler Murray to beat
Speaker 1: you with his legs or Kyler Murray to beat you
Speaker 1: with his arm and finding his weapons like a DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: I'll live and die by his arm. I'll live and
Speaker 1: die by his arm. And and that was the most
Speaker 1: challenging thing, you know, I'd rather, I'd rather have God,
Speaker 1: I'd rather try to instill some former confidence in my
Speaker 1: d line and say we need you guys this game,
Speaker 1: like we are not going to be successful. Unlet you
Speaker 1: guys go that's the challenge I'm putting on our defensive line. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know d Law, Griff, you know all you guys.
Speaker 1: I need you guys to ball out. If you guys
Speaker 1: don't ball out, we're not going to be successful. I
Speaker 1: need to see what you guys have. And we're gonna
Speaker 1: drop seven. We're gonna drop eight, and we say that's this,
Speaker 1: that's where we're gonna do because we have to be
Speaker 1: able to stop these guys. Now, if he decides to
Speaker 1: take off running, guess what, we have somebody in there
Speaker 1: to watch him, and we're gonna keep containment right, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna force him to be an accurate passenger because,
Speaker 1: like you said, Kyle, you might have sixty seventy players
Speaker 1: on offense from the cardinal standpoint, but he's gonna give
Speaker 1: you those two to three times where you can pick
Speaker 1: him off right, and you just have to continue to
Speaker 1: be predictive on offense. But you can wait him out
Speaker 1: until he decides that he gets impatient if he doesn't
Speaker 1: have anybody to throw the ball too, and if he
Speaker 1: can't get and he can't get out the pocket, guess what,
Speaker 1: there's a little thing called frustration that kind of tests
Speaker 1: starts settling in right, and when you have, when you
Speaker 1: get little bit frustrated as a quarterback, you start taking risks.
Speaker 1: You start saying, dang it, these guys aren't open. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna force the ball in here. I got
Speaker 1: a cannon. I could get the ball in there. You
Speaker 1: can't sometimes, or I guess what, I'm gonna trying to
Speaker 1: throw it over the head. I got some dudes out
Speaker 1: there that can go up and make plays. My guys
Speaker 1: are better than their guys. Okay, let's see right, And
Speaker 1: then that's when you start having these mistakes happening, and
Speaker 1: that's where you take advantage. Go ahead, I'm sorry, Ron,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Now he's got six picks on the year,
Speaker 1: and he will chuck it up, you know, if if
Speaker 1: he's in a in a forced outside the pocket. He's
Speaker 1: got faith in his receivers and he's got faith in
Speaker 1: his arm, and he will throw it up there. So
Speaker 1: we'll see. I was I like the way the Panthers
Speaker 1: played him. They they played a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: too deep and then said okay, well we'll just take
Speaker 1: away the short stuff, or we'll give you the stuff.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take away the deep ball and he had
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty three yards on like thirty one attempts. Now,
Speaker 1: part of that is they had a fourteen nothing lead
Speaker 1: to play with early. So it kind of goes back
Speaker 1: again to can the Cowboys not turn over the ball,
Speaker 1: get a lead and allow your pass rush to tee
Speaker 1: off where they're not having to guess what type of
Speaker 1: balanced attack the Cardinals might might face. So it's part
Speaker 1: of the offense too to keep put the defense in
Speaker 1: the right situations to tee off. But but I just
Speaker 1: gotta say, this guy's like Isaiah, you bring up a
Speaker 1: valid point, but all of the things that you're appointing
Speaker 1: to we haven't done. So if Colin Murray is capable
Speaker 1: of turning the ball over, we're lasting the NFL and
Speaker 1: turnover differential. That's just not what we're doing. As far
Speaker 1: as uh setting the edge, I think we have tape
Speaker 1: on us not being able to set the edge. So
Speaker 1: this this is the week, obviously to get all of
Speaker 1: those things together. If if Colin Murray is going to
Speaker 1: sit back and we're going to force feed DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: then let's do it the same way like you saw
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers with two safeties high, giving up short,
Speaker 1: not allowing anything deep. But you know, Kylo will force
Speaker 1: feed the ball into DeAndre Hopkins and first ballot Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer Larry Fitzgerald. I'm not saying that he's a
Speaker 1: decoy at this point in his career. It's not that
Speaker 1: he's not the guy that I'm as worried about as
Speaker 1: I am with Kirk and some of the other guys,
Speaker 1: and also with Redman the running back, Edmund the running
Speaker 1: back out of the backfield, and so there's so much
Speaker 1: there that we know this is the way to beat
Speaker 1: this team. This is how you doll up pressure, get
Speaker 1: in those passing lanes, get in a shorter guy's face
Speaker 1: to make him throw some of those errand throws. But
Speaker 1: we hadn't seen that all years. So I agree with
Speaker 1: you and the fact that we haven't seen it. But
Speaker 1: guess what, my expectation doesn't change. Yeah, you're still a
Speaker 1: professional athlete. You're still you're still getting paid money. Huh
Speaker 1: do you think they'll running reverse on us this week?
Speaker 1: Dang it, why did you have to do that? Listen,
Speaker 1: it's a bell I hear you, and listen, Guys in
Speaker 1: position to make plays there's just better athletes running around them.
Speaker 1: But this defensive line, like I said, they have to
Speaker 1: be called out. Nolan and Dogan McCarthy have to come
Speaker 1: out and say, you boys better start playing or guess what.
Speaker 1: This is the rotation. This is the first D line,
Speaker 1: this is the second D line, this is the third
Speaker 1: D line. Whoever's the most effective. I'm rotating you guys
Speaker 1: out every series. If you guys don't ball out on
Speaker 1: the first on the first series, guess what these young
Speaker 1: bucks are coming in here. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 1: we have a dude coming off coming off a suspension
Speaker 1: here in another week, in the name of Randy Gregor,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be hungry for some playing time as well.
Speaker 1: So d Law, don't show up if you want to.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get your check this year, but if I
Speaker 1: take you off the field, it's gonna affect your money
Speaker 1: next year. So you might want to start thinking about
Speaker 1: making some plays. And Kyle's ready for fifty six to
Speaker 1: come in any minute. So yeah, Bradley and I yeah, Bradley,
Speaker 1: and I account I'm great. I do want to I
Speaker 1: do want to point out I think over the last
Speaker 1: ten minutes or so in this conversation. I think we're
Speaker 1: all three in agreeance or all four in agredeans started
Speaker 1: with Isaiah saying, you have to rush three, get some
Speaker 1: push out of the pass for us, drop eight, and
Speaker 1: force Kyler Murray to beat it with your arm. Rob said,
Speaker 1: that's what Carolina did, held Kyler Murray to one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty three yards, and really that's a blueprint to
Speaker 1: stop Kyler Murray. And Matt Rule and Phil Snow figured
Speaker 1: it out in Carolina. That's what Matt Ruling Phil Snow
Speaker 1: were known for, even down the road at Baylor, rushing three,
Speaker 1: dropping eight and forcing you to beat you with your
Speaker 1: arm because they're gonna find a way to get things
Speaker 1: done or they want to let it, let you beat
Speaker 1: you with your legs rather. And then you have Heckma
Speaker 1: saying we haven't seen that yet. We haven't seen the blueprint.
Speaker 1: Friend happened yet. It all kind of comes together and
Speaker 1: hopefully that's the same thing that they're seeing across the hallway,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys can slow down Kyler Murray this week
Speaker 1: because it's a tough task, no matter if they're gonna
Speaker 1: run a reverse on us or not. Heck but I
Speaker 1: don't I think it's gonna be tough either either way
Speaker 1: for us. But when we come back here on Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: will wrap things up here on this Wednesday edition and
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit about those defensive ends.
Speaker 1: Are they on track for having a better second half
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Speaker 1: with us here on the Wednesday, and we've been really
Speaker 1: talking about how to contain Kyler Murray. And that's the
Speaker 1: question that I think thirty one NFL defenses are having
Speaker 1: the same conundrum about. Is how to slow down Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray in this offense led by the former Oklahoma star
Speaker 1: and for a little bit of time, former Texas and
Speaker 1: star rob But I don't know if you feel about
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. It's just a little bit of time. But
Speaker 1: continue to put pressure on the defensive line to perform,
Speaker 1: and they haven't performed, just like Heckma alluded to a
Speaker 1: moment ago. But Heckma, whenever it comes to the defensive line,
Speaker 1: is it the most important that you have a guy
Speaker 1: like DeMarcus Lentz and Alden Smith that have the best
Speaker 1: games of the year against the guy like Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: Of course, And I think it goes back to what
Speaker 1: Isaiah saying earlier is that you have to have a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys in coverage to off those passing you know,
Speaker 1: get in the way getting those passing lanes, uh Colin Murray.
Speaker 1: So it's important that we have a defensive line that's
Speaker 1: being up the field and also getting pressure also, you
Speaker 1: know internally, Terry Pole, Look, we got to have a
Speaker 1: coming out party for this guy at some point where
Speaker 1: we see that he can actually stop some guys that
Speaker 1: max it. Hopefully it made the plays, uh do something,
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be on our four. Our guys have
Speaker 1: to get some pressure on this on this quarterback without
Speaker 1: relegating one of our ebings to be obviously being a
Speaker 1: sire or something like that. You would like to see
Speaker 1: it because when you look at the games that they lost,
Speaker 1: we have to put into context also that the Cardinals
Speaker 1: are two and two and the teams that they three
Speaker 1: and two, the teams that they've beaten, I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: are are a bunch of your giants, but they were
Speaker 1: not or upper echelon teams pretty bad too, well, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's that's what I mean, pretty bad.
Speaker 1: So let's just talk about the fact that these guys,
Speaker 1: the losses that they had versus Carolina and also short,
Speaker 1: they did a really good job getting pressure on him
Speaker 1: with just the interior guys. So that's the print to
Speaker 1: getting it done for our defense ISAC absolutely and go ahead?
Speaker 1: ISAC no? I mean, I mean, heck, hit on it.
Speaker 1: I don't think d Law and you know, and all
Speaker 1: of our defensive ends, I don't think that they're really
Speaker 1: key to this game. It's really internal when you're when
Speaker 1: you're facing a mobile quarterback, you you need because this
Speaker 1: is what happens if you're If you're a mobile quarterback,
Speaker 1: you have ability to get out the pocket and run
Speaker 1: and throw. If a defensive end running up the field,
Speaker 1: that does nothing for me. All I'm gonna do is
Speaker 1: step up and step out right, um and I'm gone.
Speaker 1: I mean that guy that I'm by you. Um. Where
Speaker 1: you face issues if you're defensive ends, bull rush, If
Speaker 1: your defensives bullrush and they push those tas back down
Speaker 1: on top of you. Now you're squeezing the pocket. And
Speaker 1: now you're squeezing. Now you're restricting my area. But when
Speaker 1: guys just blow up the field, you're just out of
Speaker 1: my view. I'll just slide up the pocket and I
Speaker 1: slide out and I take off running. When you have
Speaker 1: internal pressure from your inside, guys, this is where our
Speaker 1: challenges right. We need gripping to come in there and
Speaker 1: present pressure on the inside. We need po to be
Speaker 1: po be the old po not the new po. We
Speaker 1: need the old po okay um, and we need the
Speaker 1: pressure up the middle. Even if he just held the fort,
Speaker 1: come on, man, hold the fort. That pressure and the
Speaker 1: inside is causes issues. So if you have a bull pressure,
Speaker 1: or if you guys are defensive ends, squeeze the edges
Speaker 1: and you have some form of inside pressure at all.
Speaker 1: Now I guess what. Now I'm restricted. No, I can't
Speaker 1: go anywhere. I don't have anywhere to go. Now I
Speaker 1: have to do that big you know, Wilson spin out,
Speaker 1: big bow out. I lose seven yards just to get
Speaker 1: my eyes down the field. Right, But if you oh
Speaker 1: buy me, Now I get to keep my step and
Speaker 1: step up one steps out And now I guess what.
Speaker 1: I'm five yards behind A nine trimmage is said at twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that whole keep them in the pocket, keep them
Speaker 1: in the well thing that Rod Marriley kept talking about
Speaker 1: with Russell William It's kind of the same concept exactly
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say, Isaiah, because that middle rush
Speaker 1: is so important to me. It can quarterback more than
Speaker 1: than huge pressure because of because you can't step up,
Speaker 1: you're not comfortable, and these design draws that they run.
Speaker 1: He's signing increases between the tackles. They've got to be discipline.
Speaker 1: They've got to be able to get to push and
Speaker 1: not have their tackles washed out of the play like
Speaker 1: we've seen in the running game, particularly also in the
Speaker 1: pass rush. They've they've got to be able to be
Speaker 1: more productive inside. That's that we kept harping on it
Speaker 1: yesterday for good reason. I mean, you've lost now, you've
Speaker 1: lost two defensive tackles for the season, and they've got
Speaker 1: to be able to adjust with the rotation they have.
Speaker 1: And those internal guys also before he gets going, you
Speaker 1: can't can't avoid the a gaps, internal guys. You can't
Speaker 1: take those internal guys and make them rush outside into
Speaker 1: the bee gaps and the sea gaps and try to
Speaker 1: run those. You can't run a te stone, right. You
Speaker 1: have to keep those guys in the gaps because if
Speaker 1: those those gap void is just like what Colin I
Speaker 1: shoot on the film room yesterday. As soon as I
Speaker 1: see that that gap void right in front of me
Speaker 1: and my eyes as I'm dropping back, I'm gone gone,
Speaker 1: I mean, And then with four three speed you get
Speaker 1: ten yards in no time, right, and then move the
Speaker 1: chains slide, get up, let's go back in the huddle,
Speaker 1: Let's move his chains. Yeah, that's his specialty, that's what
Speaker 1: he loves to do. And once he sees that that
Speaker 1: red seas, he's out of there. And you guys specifically
Speaker 1: make a great point about the interior rush, but also
Speaker 1: let's the linebackers man Joe Thomas and Jalen Smith. Jaylen
Speaker 1: Smith has to have a repeat of the last game
Speaker 1: because Kenyan, Drake Edmonds, these guys are going to be
Speaker 1: in those screen situations. Teams are going to continue to
Speaker 1: attack us in things that we haven't yet stopped, and
Speaker 1: so we're gonna see these things repeating themselves over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. And they have the running backs
Speaker 1: that are capable to do that. So Joe Thomas and
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith also have to show up. And I know
Speaker 1: in the past we've been seeing anytime there's been a motion,
Speaker 1: you'll see Jalen Smith kind of interchange with Joe Thomas,
Speaker 1: and I believe that's just a strong side weak side
Speaker 1: kind of a deal. But against the Giants, you saw
Speaker 1: them go away from that, okay and just kind of
Speaker 1: slide over where Jalen was the mike and Joe was
Speaker 1: the was the will. So all of those little things
Speaker 1: that they're doing, I don't know if it's just simplifying
Speaker 1: the defense, but it's working all right, So continue to
Speaker 1: do that and don't give Kyla Murray the red seat.
Speaker 1: These running backs are they provide different Yeah, it did.
Speaker 1: And I saying these running backs to your point, these
Speaker 1: running backs are totally different styles and backs, two totally
Speaker 1: different style backs. And then they got two different sized guys.
Speaker 1: You got you know, you got a six one guy,
Speaker 1: you got like a five ten guy who's still stout right.
Speaker 1: You got Edmonds, um, and then you gotta who is
Speaker 1: it um? I can't even think right, a drake. And
Speaker 1: you got one physical back, you got one little little
Speaker 1: little scat back and they're both productive. So you can't
Speaker 1: you can't forget about those guys either. And you know
Speaker 1: they're gonna test us. You know they're gonna test that
Speaker 1: part of the game. And if they get that part
Speaker 1: of the game going good and its gracious, this is
Speaker 1: the Yeah, you know it's gonna be a it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a challenge. The by the way, the over under
Speaker 1: we're not betting men here, but the over under is
Speaker 1: at fifty four and a half, and if I had
Speaker 1: to put a couple, uh couple fake quarters on that one,
Speaker 1: I would probably say the wow, probably say the over
Speaker 1: pretty quickly there, because both these teams are gonna put
Speaker 1: up some points and we're gonna talk about the offensive
Speaker 1: sign of the football tomorrow when it comes to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys having to score on Patrick Peterson, Buddha Baker and
Speaker 1: this Cardinals defense. No Chandler Jones once again, that was
Speaker 1: the breaking news today. He's out for the season with
Speaker 1: a bicep injury, so he is not in the equation
Speaker 1: for that Cardinals defense tomorrow. But we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: how Andy Dalton, Zeke Elliott in this entire offense for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys can defeating the Cardinals on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the football when we come back tomorrow. But
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it today. For Heckor Harrison, for Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: for Isaiah Stanback, I'm Kyle Yomen special thanks to Chris
Speaker 1: Beam in the back. Thanks for listening to Talking Cowboys.
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