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Speaker 2: Today's episode cad spoilers for the final season and the

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Speaker 2: series finale of Stranger Things.

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Speaker 3: You warned.

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Speaker 1: O What Happy New Year.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jason Concepcion And on Mersey.

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Speaker 3: Night, We're back. We're back.

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Speaker 2: It's the new year. Everything's great, everything is perfect.

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Speaker 1: World is going on.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to kes revision of the podcast where

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Speaker 2: we dive thee to your favorite shows, movies, comics of

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Speaker 2: pop culture coming from my heart. We're bringing you three

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Speaker 2: episodes week last News.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, Joel and Aaron are joining us to

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Speaker 3: deep dive into the sensory deprivation tank to react to

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Speaker 3: Stranger Things season five finale. Together, we'll talk through what worked,

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Speaker 3: what didn't, the ambiguous ending, the cultural impact of the

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Speaker 3: show over the last ten years, and how it looked

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Speaker 3: in a fit, which is where I saw it. But

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Speaker 3: first into the century deprivation type.

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Speaker 2: We go in. Okay, let's bring in super producers Joe

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Speaker 2: Ellen Aaron to discuss the long I was actually stunned

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Speaker 2: when I realized how long this show has been crazy streaming.

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Speaker 2: It's been a decade.

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Speaker 3: A decade.

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Speaker 2: We dive into the final season. Aaron Jowell, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: How's he goesy?

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Speaker 4: Excited to be here and to talk about our favorite

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Speaker 4: upside down?

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Speaker 5: Is this the only upside down?

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Speaker 3: I guess it's the only one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the only?

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Speaker 1: Well is this?

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Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of my questions. Well, let's quickly discuss.

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Speaker 2: I will say there were no I personally, here's my

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Speaker 2: takeaway quick take. I have no issues that didn't exist

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Speaker 2: in previous seasons with the season finale, and I liked it.

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Speaker 2: I thought the finale worked well. I thought it probably

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Speaker 2: I thought it worked the best for me than almost

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Speaker 2: the season. I'm a sucker for nostalgia.

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Speaker 1: I liked it.

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Speaker 2: Uh, what is everybody's quick take? Rosie start?

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Speaker 3: I saw it in the movie theater at first. I

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Speaker 3: saw it in the Egyptian and on New Year's Day,

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Speaker 3: and I have to say, seeing it on the big screen,

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Speaker 3: it was very clear that this was like endgame for

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Speaker 3: which we'll get into later, but generally I went in

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Speaker 3: the show made me enjoy it a lot more, which

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Speaker 3: how do you feel an act?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm basically exactly the same as you, Jason. Like

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Speaker 4: this didn't change that. But this worked really well within

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Speaker 4: the context of the show, and I thought, like Rosie,

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Speaker 4: you know you brought up endgame. I kind of thought

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Speaker 4: of the first Avengers movie, where we have very different

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Speaker 3: They come together with that skills.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was very happy with it.

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Speaker 4: It was the perfect thing to sit down at like

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Speaker 3: On the couch.

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Speaker 5: I think, Joelle, what about you?

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Speaker 1: I'm met at all of you. I think it's rude

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Speaker 6: I thought the length of a Finelle maybe want to scream.

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Speaker 1: A person who's like, make it shorter, thank me. To

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Speaker 6: But these two experiences back to back was absolute torture.

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Speaker 6: And then on top of that, y'all not giving me

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about some of the unanswered questions, because I

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Speaker 3: I thought it was actually so good and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: And then Duffer brothers were like, she's an independent woman.

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Speaker 2: Her and Murray disappearing essentially from the extended nothing on

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Speaker 2: I agree Murray was weird to keep in, but if

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Speaker 1: And so I feel like.

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Speaker 2: That's what the numbers told us is gonna work. And

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Speaker 3: Well, I y, I kind of like what you're saying

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So my holiday was spent mostly watching like Heated

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Speaker 1: You want to talk nostalgia.

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Speaker 6: I was like, we're back, baby, We're talking TV twenty

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Speaker 4: I mean they just needed something. I don't know, I'm

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00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 4: not that concerned.

442
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 2: I am kind of with you in that I didn't

443
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: just kind of reiterate I didn't have these like high

444
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 2: expectations of the story telling, execution. I'm sure your things

445
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: before this. So I was not like feeling as if

446
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: the stakes were ever gonna be there fully, that they

447
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: were ever going to have the guts to kill somebody

448
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: that we had spent multiple seasons with, you know, like

449
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: and Eddie Munson is as far as they'd ever go. Yes,

450
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: you get to know him over a season, then we

451
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 2: off the guy and you love it too, But we're

452
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: never gonna give you a multi season core character death.

453
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: It's never not for real, like not in a way

454
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 2: that's explicit. And so I am kind of with you,

455
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: although rationally I agree with everything. Joelle is like, yeah,

456
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: I think go ahead.

457
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: Objectively, you're right, Joelle, I was gonna say, interestingly, the finale,

458
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: specifically the reveal that Owl was alive, people were like, ah, like,

459
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: but the one that people went crazy for, like the

460
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 3: moments that actually I feel like paid off in the

461
00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: cinema Lest the Future, Steve is a sex teacher, people

462
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: love that and obviously they love that he's his coach

463
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 3: and everything, but also it was really ironically it was

464
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: a Steve moment. And I think again, this shows they

465
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 3: knew some of what fans want, but they didn't lean

466
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: into the biggest things they want, which is, you know,

467
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: family and friendship and community. There wasn't a lot of that.

468
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 3: But like, dude, when Steve fell off the big tower, yeah,

469
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: and then Jonathan saved him and it went black on

470
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 3: the screen. When it came back and he was alive

471
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: and it was Jonathan, people stood up and cheered like

472
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: they cared. That's the thing that's funny is like the

473
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 3: moments that were the huge moments, I don't even think

474
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: the Duffer brothers fully realized them because that was people

475
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 3: were more excited than that about Eleven. You know, the

476
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 3: people did like it when Eleven said I'm not Sarah

477
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: and gave back the bracelet, people were like, oh.

478
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: That was another thing that kind of pissed me off,

479
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: was like, why is this Why is this guy's entire motivation,

480
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: this character that we've never met, Like can you can

481
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: we can we build in something with people that existed

482
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 2: the fucking story I'm.

483
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: A hopper hater. I think it's a terrible character. I

484
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 3: wish he died. I think he should have died. I

485
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 3: don't know. I only the only reason that he should

486
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 3: have died he should have died.

487
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, his big his big epilogue thing

488
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: is like, I can't wait to be a cop, maybe

489
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: in a new city where they save me more.

490
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: Also, can I just say we got to talk. I

491
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: want to talk more about that moment too, but I

492
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: think we'll talk about it during our theory consideration. But

493
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean, I just thought that was incredibly disappointing.

494
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 3: I also think again the show not understanding think about

495
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: this right back in the first two seasons, the biggest

496
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 3: straw to that show were win On a writer obviously,

497
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 3: and David Harbor. He kind of became the breakout star.

498
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: Now people just about the kids. We don't care about them.

499
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 3: Her chopping off the head and saying, don't fuck with you,

500
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 3: fucked with the wrong family. It was so like Harry Potter,

501
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: like not my daughter, bitch coded, like it wasn't even

502
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: didn't have a power of its own moment. I think

503
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: that I could have done without the adults at all.

504
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 3: And I actually ironically think that the l stuff would

505
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: have been so much better if it was just her

506
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: and Carly. Hopper is the reason Carli is dead. Hopper

507
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 3: could have picked Cary up and put her on his

508
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: other shoulder, and he didn't. He just left her behind.

509
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 2: No, he went running to find bandages or whatever.

510
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

511
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go.

512
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go look for else back. Yeah, right, bro.

513
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 4: I did think emotional scene wise, I really liked Dustin

514
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 4: and Steve on the stairwell when Dustin is like I

515
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: can't afford to lose someone else. That really hit for

516
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 4: me in a way that I had been kind of

517
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 4: annoyed with Dustin early in the season, like going off

518
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 4: on his own and going to the graveyard, so that

519
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 4: I thought worked really really well, and especially because it

520
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 4: was in opposition to Nancy and Jonathan's proposal in the

521
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 4: melting Room that I just kind of thought didn't work

522
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 4: for me.

523
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 5: But I thought Dustin was crazy.

524
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 3: Okay, I did any emotional moment hit for you? Was

525
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 3: there one that worked?

526
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: Okay?

527
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 5: The credit and I got to change.

528
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing. Their last game of D and D.

529
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 6: As somebody who regularly plays D and D hit stupid hard.

530
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: And they were like, oh, so we're just done.

531
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 6: I was like, there's always another way, boys, I know

532
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 6: you got like dig deep. I loved how excited Max

533
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 6: was and it feels like her first time playing and

534
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 6: it was really sweet. And I just thought they got

535
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 6: the chemistry. But it's when they put those books on

536
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 6: the shelves. We keep all of our books at my

537
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,239
Speaker 6: friend's house, so all of our notes are together, all

538
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 6: of our figurines are together, they're on display. I was like,

539
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 6: this is accurate, this is right, this is real friendship,

540
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 6: and it's what it about.

541
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: It got to me.

542
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 6: I like the Dustin h moment on the stairs I

543
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 6: thought was good. I even thought, even though I found

544
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 6: it a little confusing, the unproposal worked pretty well. I

545
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 6: thought it was like some of the best writing in

546
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 6: these last couple of episodes.

547
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: I think it did set up one of the only

548
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: good choices, like one of the only I think, like

549
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: actually progressive choices that people can look back at this

550
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: show and say, hey, they did that, which sounds crazy

551
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 3: because it's not that crazy, but it's very fucking rare

552
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: in a YA show to have a love triangle and

553
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: end it with the women being able to just have

554
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: a life and not choose one of them that never happens.

555
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: That is actually pretty vanical. And I think that the

556
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: unproposal and the realization, and I really like the conversation

557
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: of Stephen Jonathan in the car where they were both like,

558
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: this isn't gonna work, Like, this is not gonna work

559
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: for us, this is not so like we just Nancy

560
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: just gets to go and live her own life. You know,

561
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: she's not our win, our prize.

562
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: That conversation was the one I listened a lot of

563
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: these let's have our final character resolution conversation moments felt

564
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: like a checklist, but most of them felt good for me.

565
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: The Jonathan that one Jonathan Steve, it felt a little

566
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: bit like guilding the lily.

567
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 5: To me, like a little bit too fast.

568
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: Fat guys, Yes, guys that have been rivals that long.

569
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: Like I loved their rivalry. It was very fun. I

570
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: think you could have it was a little bit too

571
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: like therapy speak, like let's put our cards on the

572
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: table for what felt like the previous kind of established

573
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: characters that those guys were. I like going to talk

574
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: about it that much.

575
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: But I also think this part of another problem that

576
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: we've talked about with Stranger Things, because the characters look

577
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: so old and are so old you kind of have

578
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: Jonathan and Steve. Those actors are like they're in their thirties,

579
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: you know they and they want to they.

580
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: Want to they're brushing that hair forward or brushing do

581
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, they've been doing that. It's that.

582
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: It's that one really incredible tweet that somebody did and

583
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: it was like, I love Stranger Things, that young cast

584
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: and the retired Japanese detective who hangs around with them,

585
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: and it's just Jonathan.

586
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, But.

587
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: Like I think that when the characters are older than

588
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: like that and they've actually aged up throughout, I bet

589
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: both of those guys were like, we're having this fucking conversation, Duffers,

590
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 3: like you're not having us out here as thirty year olds,

591
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 3: like oh, fight you for her? Like I think that

592
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: the whole aging out changes how the conversations have to

593
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: do as well. But yeah, okay, so I will say

594
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: and obviously you know I was. I was at this

595
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: with one of my nephews and one of my best

596
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: friends and we were we were there and having great time.

597
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: Nick was also there because he you know, and he

598
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: does not get stranger things. And we were talking about

599
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: the jis room and I just want to say I

600
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: have to say, and this is funny because Nick is

601
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: not like a he's not like a conspiracy theory person.

602
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 3: He's not like an online person particularly. But it was

603
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: so funny because watching the show with him anyway is hilarious.

604
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: Watching that finale, he had not seen the middle two episodes,

605
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: so he did not know about them, right, So he's

606
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: literally sitting next to he was two seats away from me,

607
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: and then he was looking at me and at the

608
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: end he was like, Okay, so now you're telling me

609
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: there's a room made of jizz and the kids are

610
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: having these phallic things pulled out of their mouths. He's like,

611
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: what are they doing to these kids? Why is it?

612
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: Why are they sexualizing the kids? Why does the thing

613
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: have to go in the mouth, Why can't they go

614
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: in the belly butt? And why is there a jiz room?

615
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: And I was like, you know what, You're not wrong.

616
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: I was like, actually, these are all weird questions. The

617
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: weird choice too.

618
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 6: Hide on the side sounds that were coming with the

619
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 6: little two things. I just think we could have gone

620
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 6: belly button, forehead, back.

621
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: Of the head. We have a lot of, like a

622
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: lot of options. I thought mouth was a weird choice.

623
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: There, especially with the kids staying it's always the like

624
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: eleven twelve year old babies.

625
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: It's And then on top of that, I think the

626
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 4: just with his hand as he does to eleven, as

627
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: he does to Will, he doesn't need to be attached

628
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 4: to them.

629
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: It's weird.

630
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 6: And then too, I think, you know, contextually within this show,

631
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 6: like Murray being there was strange. It's even weirder when

632
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 6: he starts making like so many sex jokes around literally children.

633
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, wariy, this girl supposed to be twelve years old.

634
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: Why are we making dick jokes. It's weird.

635
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: Long here again, I didn't.

636
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: Age and totally what we were going for.

637
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 6: And maybe, you know, Jason, you mentioned in the group

638
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 6: chat that like, perhaps the audience has outgrown the show,

639
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 6: and the show made a very strong choice to say

640
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 6: we're not going to do a time jump. They wanted

641
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 6: to end like at the end of the eighties, so

642
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 6: they literally couldn't do a time jump and keep their

643
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 6: time frame.

644
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: And I think it messed with a lot of like

645
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: contextually and thematically with the show overall, I don't feel

646
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: quite right at the end.

647
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: Here, let's talk about the part of the epilogue. I

648
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: think that kind of hit the hardest and really is

649
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: like the meat of the thing, which is Mike's last

650
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: Dungeon Master campaign with the core group everybody in tears,

651
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: says he's revealing what happened, and then you discover he's

652
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: going to be a writer, and then we bring in

653
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: the spinoff kids for you know, for a story to

654
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: be told later. I found this to be a really

655
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: interesting framing and one that listen, I'm going to ignore

656
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: the fact that with so many open ended kind of

657
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: untied not like and strings that are just like left dangling,

658
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: I think including this Mike the writer piece opens the doorway,

659
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: I think to an interesting, slash confusing, slash, muddy and

660
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: potentially like unsatisfying perspective, which is, what if it was

661
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 2: in the mind Flare all along. What if it's Mike

662
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: all along and we are actually understanding this story through

663
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: Mike's gains, at which I think is clear they're kind

664
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: of going through.

665
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: I think that's the implication. But the important thing, the

666
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: important thing is to recognize the difference between us watching

667
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: what Mike's version was and then the argument that people

668
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: have been making online that because of the lighting you

669
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: couldn't see Nancy Wheeler's next cause the whole thing was

670
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: just an imaginary game and they were at the end

671
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: of it, and I was like, no.

672
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: It's not that. It's not that.

673
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: But my I think seeing Mike's version, yes.

674
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: And that's exactly right.

675
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: I think what we're seeing is Mike recounting this crazy

676
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: thing that happened when he was a kid to his

677
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 2: friends as part of a story that he's telling, whether

678
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: in the context of the D and D campaign or

679
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: he's written a book.

680
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 3: I can confirm yes, okay, because at the end of

681
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: the movie released version, you had to wait till all

682
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: the This may be the same in Netflix you make

683
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: you had to wait till all the credits were over.

684
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: There is a Stranger Things D and D handbook that

685
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: just says Stranger Things, and it says by Mike Wheeler.

686
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: So the implication is he wrote some kind of D

687
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: and D handbook, And I think, also, my guess I so, so,

688
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought up.

689
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: There's licensing issues.

690
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: There.

691
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: Licensing issues works, but you know what it is. It

692
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: just says Stranger Things. It doesn't say D and D.

693
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: It's like a role playing game, you know. But but

694
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 3: I would also say, like, I think this brings up

695
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: a good conversation point, which is what is the spinoff?

696
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: Because obviously the kids feel like the spin off, but

697
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: the Guffer Brothers have said the spin off is gonna

698
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: deal deal with the particles in the suitcase and also

699
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: but also it's also going to be new characters that

700
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: we haven't met. So I love the idea. This is

701
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: my my high concept theory. I don't think this is

702
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 3: what it is. I would love the idea that we

703
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 3: get kids in like the zeros playing the Stranger Things

704
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 3: game who live in Hawkins and start to put together

705
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: that this is actually based on real stuff that happened

706
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: in Hawkins. I think that's a cool I think that's

707
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: going to be the idea. But this is my current

708
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: even though the stuff of others have said it's about

709
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 3: the suitcase. My current theory is I don't think, unfortunately

710
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: that they set up the town of mon Talk and

711
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: win Owner and David Harbor going there for no reason.

712
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: The show was originally called The mon Talk Projects it's

713
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 3: in mont Talk. There is all this rumors about because

714
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: there's an old government space out there. It's very mk

715
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: ultra coded.

716
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: Also, let me there's Farm Island Disease Research Center that

717
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: is off the coast of Long Island and Montalk, and

718
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: many believe well Sumble there is an active conspiracy theory

719
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: that that's where lined.

720
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: Is eased in front and many other kind of things.

721
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: And also interestingly, the reason I felt like this was

722
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: very brazen is because if you have kept up with

723
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 3: the Stranger Things, and this is not me mid taking

724
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: either side, because me and Jason have talked about this extensively.

725
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: Many people have many different ideas. But there is a

726
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: guy who sued the Duffer brothers who said he presented

727
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 3: them a deck called Montalk that was essentially Stranger Things,

728
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: and then they basically later pitched it to Netflix. Right

729
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 3: the original pitch deck says Montalk. I think that this

730
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: is them saying, hey, what if we went to the

731
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: Sauce instead of Hawkins, instead of this pretend version. This

732
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: was so popular, we could do a version in Montalk.

733
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: Mont looks beautiful. There's lots of interesting class issues there

734
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 3: because it's like this part of Long island that super

735
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: boujiem loads of people who have rich lived there and

736
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: holiday there, but also these people who still live there

737
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: and work in the places. It could be really interesting.

738
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: I just don't want to see David Harbot. I don't

739
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: want to see I love Way out of Ryda. You

740
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: can be in it, but like, I don't need to

741
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: see the adult story. But I do think the mon

742
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 3: Talk thing is my most realistic version. And then they'll

743
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: find out, oh, the particles came from the Montalk lab,

744
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 3: like lime disease or whatever. That's my boring. I think

745
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: it's gonna happen. Theory, Aaron, you have one of my

746
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: favorite theories, so please just yeah.

747
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: So originally they were saying, you know, we will have

748
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 4: a scene that hints at what the spinoff is going

749
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: to be. And when they sat down to play that

750
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: final game of D and D and they're playing what

751
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 4: I assume is Curse of Strade, which is a campaign

752
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 4: where you're fighting about this legendary vampire, I was like,

753
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 4: oh my god, they're going to do a spinoff where

754
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 4: it's like vampiric creatures from the upside down, And I

755
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: think I love love that, And then you know, like.

756
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 6: On the planet, we didn't see any of the Okay.

757
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: Well, Joe, we're going to talk about that.

758
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: Aaron.

759
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: Let me quickly ask you then, I love this. I've

760
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: played a little bit of supernatural kind of coded D U,

761
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: D and D. Why you are more in that vampireic

762
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: space and there's like blood oaths and stuff. As somebody

763
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 3: who's actually played a lot of D and D and

764
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: that got you excited. What could we expect law wise

765
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 3: and world wise if they were going to pursue that

766
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: in a D and D space.

767
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even want to go into it because

768
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: I think I just know I'm wrong because.

769
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 5: Of them talking so much about the briefcase.

770
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: I know, I know it would be amazing, and I think, hey,

771
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 4: it would explore a lot of really interesting things like

772
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: also they had you know, one of the biggest things

773
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: I think with any kind of like video game or

774
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 4: role playing game whatever with vampires is when a character

775
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 4: that is in your party is turned and you lose,

776
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: you lose someone to the enemy, And I think that

777
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 4: would be a really interesting thing for them to have

778
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 4: been able to sort of explore again, because they do

779
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 4: that a little with Will, but not quite Vampire would.

780
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: I really like Rosie's theory that it's going to be

781
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: about a new cast of kids who follow the breadcrumbs

782
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: in Mike's book or Mike's D and D campaign, licensing

783
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: issues aside, and uncover this mystery of this crazy thing

784
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: that happened that probably mirrors their own experiences. They contact

785
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: Mike or you know, adult and adult characters, and they

786
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: start unraveling the mystery. I like that idea. I will

787
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: say that one thing that I loved when the new

788
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: kids came in. I'm corny like that. Okay, he too works? Wow, perfect, perfect,

789
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: you know, spin off, jumping off point. If they decide

790
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: to use one of these kids and I don't believe

791
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: anything the Duffer brothers say, no, me not going to

792
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: be this or it's going to be that, I will say,

793
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: here's an issue I have though when they brought the

794
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: kids in. This show is so much about trauma and

795
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: how people grapple with it, how it can empower you,

796
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: but also how it's baggage if you don't figure out

797
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: how to put it down at some point, and I

798
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: think it's a little thematically now I'm gonna get like

799
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 2: to very licred and nerdy. I think it's weird thematically

800
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: this that as I'm watching these kids come in for

801
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 2: this new campaign, I'm not I felt no dread. Story Wise,

802
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: this should be like, oh no, see what happened.

803
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 3: I don't want these kids.

804
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: I don't want these kids to go through this again.

805
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: It should be that like the.

806
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, yes.

807
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: But instead I'm like, and I was questioning it, I

808
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: was like, but instead I'm like, oh, a new adventure.

809
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: I shouldn't feel.

810
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 4: That like picking up some random piece. They should have

811
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 4: picked up the demo Gorgon and like, yeah, the mind

812
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 4: and he looks back and is like, oh, you know what,

813
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 4: We're not going to let you play with that one

814
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: that don't use that.

815
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: I think it.

816
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: I think it goes back to the fact that like

817
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: everybody lived sadly. Yes, what should have happened is like,

818
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: tell me how any character significantly changed meaningfully from it's

819
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: the time that it's only it really is only Steve.

820
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 5: Nobody Will.

821
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: Well, I mean Will came to terms with something. Yes,

822
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: I think Will sure Well, he was still gay.

823
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 6: He was as a cry baby, like Will evolved as

824
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 6: a human being. That best Will has figured out a

825
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 6: way to talk to his friends honestly, which is, you.

826
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: Know, maybe a difficult thing we all have to learn

827
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: how to do, but it.

828
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 6: Doesn't give oh my gosh, like look at the person

829
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 6: he's grown into.

830
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 4: You know, Robin's girlfriend went from just being a candy

831
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 4: striper to being a full on doctor part way through.

832
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, graduated without going to say the education system is

833
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: fun up, we go out.

834
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 3: As somebody who you know, we want so much TV,

835
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: so many movies, that's what we do. And obviously, as

836
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 3: everyone knows in who listens to this podcast, who makes

837
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff, there's just so much TV out there,

838
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 3: So obviously you were not the biggest lover of Stranger Things.

839
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: But what would they have to do after this to

840
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: get you excited? Like what is the trailer or the

841
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: concept where you're like, okay, wait, I thought I was out,

842
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: but they got me back in like that.

843
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 6: It's a max of three years later because I barely

844
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 6: remember it enough to like carry on through this. You

845
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 6: cannot give five six years of delay time.

846
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 1: We need to go. It's led by.

847
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 5: Story wise or actually release date wise.

848
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: Release date wise, it needs to be within the next

849
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: three years. Dipshit.

850
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 6: Derek needs to be at the forefront of whatever you're doing.

851
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 6: That kid is astorable.

852
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: Derek when he first appeared and now she loves him

853
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: Aaron Texas After the first group of episodes, he was like,

854
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 3: I love this kid, He's amazing.

855
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 6: Was like, what are you talking about? He's so annoying,

856
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 6: Like why do you care? But by the end I

857
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 6: was like, I would die for him.

858
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 1: He's perfect.

859
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 4: And when they're trying the scene when they're leaving the

860
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 4: upside Down and and what's his name is? With Levin

861
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 4: and Derek is waving at him from across the.

862
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: Love, my heart is so warm. I love them. Yeah.

863
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 6: So if it's Derek at the forefront and you put

864
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 6: Derek in a position where I'm like, oh no, oh

865
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 6: my god, don't bring back the military this time. I

866
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 6: have no idea why they were here at all except

867
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 6: to appear to be obstructions but not actually obstruct anything.

868
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: They're so annoying.

869
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 6: No military, just make it Mindflare and Derek, I'm back in.

870
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: Otherwise, Bro, Derek would terrorize him. It would just be

871
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: like you know that meme of the symptoms where it's

872
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 3: like my kidnapper throwing me away, and it's Ralph coming

873
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: back into the house. Yes, it's like after you talked

874
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: for three hours, that would be like five minutes of

875
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: Derek being with Vecna. Okay, I want to ask you guys,

876
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: what's your random MVP? Because I do have one that

877
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: I have had basic my random view MVP. Bro, it's

878
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: Holly's costume in Vecna Palace. Every time I saw her,

879
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: I was like, show me this fucking movie, like, I

880
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: want to be in this Camtoss, I want to be

881
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 3: put this girl in Legend, make a remake like she

882
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: looks like a magical, fantastical girl who can also kill

883
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 3: a bad guy with a knife.

884
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: Like.

885
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: I just thought that costuming was so much better than

886
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: ninety percent of the costuming and the show and on

887
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: the big screen two. I was like, yes, Holly, you

888
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: are a leading character in that costume. So that was mine. Jason,

889
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 3: what's your random MVP?

890
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: My random MVP? He is the nostalgia montages. I must

891
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: sucker for those, and I thought they worked. I thought that,

892
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, the editing style seemed aimed at the like

893
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: TikTok fan editor to just be able to like rip

894
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: the montage directly from Netflix and put it on social media.

895
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: And I must. I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff.

896
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: I think, in absence of meaningful character evolution and progress,

897
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: the the simple esthetic physical evolution of seeing the characters

898
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: grow up over time on screen. Yeah, was a hit

899
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: for me.

900
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: It got me.

901
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: That got me to like to be like these forget

902
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: about the bat, These actual people spent ten years of

903
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: their lives doing this and we were all there, which,

904
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: by the way, and just let me just soft launch

905
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: another theory I have, and it's like, why does media

906
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: literacy kind of suck? Like? What is storytelling about in

907
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: the twenty twenties? And I think a lot of it

908
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: can be explained by Stranger Things. It's not about a

909
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 2: greater story arc development, plot movement anymore. It's about creating

910
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: a feeling of we all were there and watch this

911
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: thing happen, whether artificially or not. You know, Like there's

912
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: been a lot of talk about whether you know, monoculture

913
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: exists anymore, and it kind of doesn't.

914
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: But it's a lot of.

915
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: Storytelling following the Internet is about understanding what is going

916
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: on in a particular Internet conversation space, and I think

917
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: Stranger Things has managed to harness that in a way

918
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 2: that is really interesting and it probably tells us where

919
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: things are going, because it's significantly about capturing the conversation,

920
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: understanding what the fans are talking about, letting the fans

921
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: feel like we're all around the TV watching this thing,

922
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: talking about it, whether it sucks, whether it's good, whether

923
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: it's not, and it's let and it's about the journey

924
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: we take as an audience and less about who lives,

925
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: he dies, who made it.

926
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: I think you make a really great point in there.

927
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: I also think that the confluence of Stranger Things and

928
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 3: Game of Ferns coming out alongside each other really brought

929
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 3: back that notion of a shared viewing. I would also say,

930
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 3: I think that you are onto something very important it Jason,

931
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: and I also think this is part of the issue

932
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 3: with the rollout of the show, is that, yeah, that

933
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: is what it was, and it was an event for

934
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: many many people. I mean, I don't know if you

935
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: guys know, but the way that the movie was rolled

936
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 3: out is it was an RSVP event and you could

937
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: not buy a ticket to see the movie. You could

938
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: only buy a twenty dollar concessions ticket to see it

939
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: in theaters. You had to buy the concessions because Netflix

940
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: was not allowed to make money they had to pay

941
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: the theaters to put it in those concession vouchers. They

942
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 3: saw twenty five million dollars in concessions only, and that's

943
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: the numbers that the cinema gave us. This was a

944
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: huge event, and I will tell you guys from seeing

945
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: it on the cinema, it was optimized to be seen

946
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 3: in the cinema to be a monoculture moment, and Netflix

947
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: did not commit to it, and I think that is

948
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: ultimately going to see be seen as the biggest issue.

949
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: I think there's a version where if Netflix had had

950
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: better relationships with the cinema, not something they've ever been

951
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: interested in, but if they had done that, I think

952
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: there's a world where this rolls out and is a

953
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 3: five hundred million dollar release on the finale, if you

954
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: roll it out properly and it is seen as the

955
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: crossover that could have made TV film a thing. I

956
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 3: don't think Netflix cares about that, and I think that

957
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: is ultimately the issue is there is a monoculture, there

958
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 3: is a people wanting to be involved. Netflix just assumed

959
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 3: that doing it in the same space they'd been doing

960
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: it and for ten years with what even then it

961
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 3: had outgrown in my opinion the streaming space.

962
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: Just a quick thing. I think my conspiracy theory on

963
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 2: that is Netflix is you know, kind of like a

964
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: C student who gets a comment on their report card,

965
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: like has potential, just needs a try harder. I think

966
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: Netflix is very happy to present to theaters and the

967
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: entertainment industry at large. Hey, look what we could do

968
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: if we wanted to.

969
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: So real.

970
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 5: Deck mode they're going to.

971
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: We could do this.

972
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: If we wanted, and so play ball with us, because

973
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: we could if we.

974
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 4: Want real Speaking of locations like movie theaters, my MVP

975
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 4: Jimmy fast Hands, the fact that he ran before everything started,

976
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 4: gave up the radio station, gave our entire crew a

977
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 4: place to hang out. I guess it built in a

978
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 4: secret room already that just like existed there in the passages.

979
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 4: Jimmy fast Hands A plus, you were the best part

980
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 4: in that group project because you left and then came

981
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 4: back and then let Robin do the radio show and

982
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 4: you didn't even show up that day. We never meet

983
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 4: Jimmy fast Hands. It doesn't matter MVP.

984
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 6: That like, because my MVP is Ted Wheeler. He said,

985
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 6: I'm done with all of them, but family don't love me.

986
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 6: I don't get no bacon. I can't even hit these

987
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 6: golf balls in peace.

988
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm get here.

989
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: I haven't three years.

990
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 3: Like sexy teenagers.

991
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,479
Speaker 5: Like what did they tell Ted?

992
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 4: Because she got up in the middle of the hospital,

993
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 4: he we assume is still in the hospital. And then

994
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 4: at the end, like everyone comes back, he's at graduation.

995
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 5: What did they tell him anything? Did he ask? Does

996
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 5: he care? Yeah? Earthquake?

997
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: What did they tell anybody? But you know what they

998
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: tell What did they tell the families of the five

999
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 2: hundred soldiers who were getting down brutally in the letters?

1000
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 1: Are they getting.

1001
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: From from guys? What about the fucking Derek's family who

1002
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 3: got kidnapped? Does Ian points out? Like what did not

1003
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: have to do with the earth quake? Also, how about

1004
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: the women? This is another thing like and I'm the

1005
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 3: pregnant women who are just dead. But like, to me,

1006
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: it's so funny too, because I'm just like guys, like

1007
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: you made these problems for yourself. That's the funniest thing

1008
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: is like you added every single thing. Here is TV.

1009
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 4: Who killed more people? Vena or Hopper and Nancy combined.

1010
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: Well on screen? Hopper and well, I think well, I

1011
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: think Vecna theoretically, you you would expect that he killed

1012
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: more and we didn't see it.

1013
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: They just haven't.

1014
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like on screen, Harbor and Nancy are drenched an.

1015
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 3: My favorite thing is like, then Nancy just like goes

1016
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: and vis a journalist and she's like, yeah, I was

1017
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 3: a child soldier for fifty years, but don't worry now,

1018
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm just the journalist, a journalist.

1019
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 6: Who doesn't feel she needs an education to do that job.

1020
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 6: She's like, look, I want school paper.

1021
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: Good enough, guys.

1022
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: I gotta say, look, as somebody who also did not

1023
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 3: get a journalism degree, I'm on Nancy side for this one. Okay, guys.

1024
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 3: Sometimes it just happens. Sometimes you just fall into it.

1025
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't get a degree. Sometimes you get beaten

1026
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 3: up by the demo dogs. Could Joelle, actually, before we

1027
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: get to your final MVP, ask your question which did

1028
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 3: not at any point come into my head when I

1029
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 3: watched it on the big screen and was all I

1030
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: could think about on TV? Who was missing in the

1031
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 3: final battle, Joel? Which characters that have been like a

1032
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 3: major antagonist throughout this entire thing, and we're able to

1033
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 3: show up at every point otherwise in the film and show,

1034
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 3: but which is not able.

1035
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 6: Hit I have no idea like why the military like

1036
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 6: was just not a part of Like we have no

1037
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 6: final standoff with them. Really, the demo Gorgans are gone,

1038
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 6: which is confusing. We're in the we're in their planet,

1039
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 6: this is their whole where.

1040
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: Is why aren't there five hundred of them swarming the

1041
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: radio tower?

1042
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 3: Where send them off? Ones like listen.

1043
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 6: In D and D not that long ago if you

1044
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 6: don't know, giant multi headed dragon legendary, the minions that

1045
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 6: we had to get through to get to Tiamat, like

1046
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 6: it was a really a flog.

1047
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: Just to try to get there.

1048
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 6: The fact that it's just Vecna being like wo like

1049
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 6: just ship out his little fingers with his little castle,

1050
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 6: like I was just incensed. And then on top of like,

1051
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 6: this is what listen to have a failure of both

1052
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 6: of your villains, both the military not a strong enough

1053
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 6: for with a leader that we know nothing about and care.

1054
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: About the best Yeah less said about doctor k that

1055
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: was a ridiculous who cares? Who fucking cares?

1056
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: Awful?

1057
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 6: But then but then also to have the Demogorgans who

1058
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 6: have been you know, really the last time we say

1059
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 6: the Demogorghans is in the hospital when they're chasing down

1060
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 6: Max and Lucas when they suddenly go dumb and they're like,

1061
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 6: can't follow a sound for some reason, Like I was incensed.

1062
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: I was like they.

1063
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 3: Did. I would also say one of the things that

1064
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 3: I want to know, guys, how would you feel if

1065
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: you were the parents of one of the people that

1066
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: Eddie Munson is still thought to have been a serial

1067
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 3: killer of? And then a guy got up on stage

1068
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 3: and did a speech in the style of the person

1069
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: who killed your child and then took off a shirt

1070
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 3: with the cult name that you think was in charge

1071
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 3: of kill and everyone cheered that I would I would

1072
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 3: not know what was going on there. I'd need to

1073
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 3: know more. I feel like the whole never get never

1074
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: letting people know Eddie wasn't a serial killer is one

1075
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: of the craziest problems of the show. Also, who who

1076
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: believes an earthquake did all of this? We gotta do

1077
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: at least like a nuclear power upon Like that's why

1078
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 3: you saw weird things. The power plant structure.

1079
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: Earthquake happens in a matter of like a minute.

1080
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: Max, like, like, why was the military taking over your

1081
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 3: like neighborhood because of an earthquake. I live in California.

1082
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: That never happens. Stupid.

1083
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a quick break and then we

1084
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: will leave you with our final straight thoughts, but the

1085
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: final season question mark of straight quick and we're back, okay,

1086
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: straight thoughts. Leftover thoughts such as, like what was the

1087
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: deal with doctor K. I was like, don't even care.

1088
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: About Yeah, I don't care about Doctor K.

1089
00:56:58,760 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 2: I don't care about it.

1090
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: Didn't give enough.

1091
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: I don't understand why they bought one of the most

1092
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 3: iconic action actors of all time, Linda Hamilton in had

1093
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 3: Nancy essentially just take on her role from Terminator Too

1094
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: and never have them like team up or fight or battle.

1095
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 3: Like it was so obvious that the parallels are that

1096
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: they didn't know what to do with doctor K. They

1097
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: obviously cost Linda and didn't know what to do with

1098
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: her character. But it's a real shame, Like I thought,

1099
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: what if she was like the original, Like she's also

1100
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 3: a psychic and she was one of the earlies so

1101
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 3: many ways, Like there were so many things that felt

1102
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: like it could I never understood how motivation was.

1103
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they at My theory is they

1104
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: got like data back. That's like people don't care about

1105
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: doctor k so they just never pursued it.

1106
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 3: That's what else like to.

1107
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 6: Me, the whole show feels like cut her from the

1108
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 6: show with respect.

1109
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: I think it would have better for her and for us.

1110
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: What A was also talking.

1111
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 6: About spending money and not knowing what to do. Why

1112
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 6: did you buy Prince's music?

1113
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 5: And yes, this is all right, have a cool.

1114
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: Damn it too cool? Mont?

1115
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: It was that it was a feature.

1116
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 4: I couldn't let them get away with the one but

1117
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 4: using purple rain like that?

1118
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 5: Which one? Offensive? Using purple which one? There in her

1119
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 5: Goodbye kiss?

1120
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was horrible and like I wrote down, just

1121
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 4: because you can get the rights to a song doesn't

1122
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 4: mean you're using it right.

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Speaker 5: They did not.

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00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: I did look into this because I was like, how

1125
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 3: the funk did they get the pretty right? And I know,

1126
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 3: but it was no But it was Kate. It was

1127
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: Kate Bush. Apparently Kate Bush was the one who encouraged

1128
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: the Prince estate and was like, hey, this show was

1129
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: great for me and look streaming money for me.

1130
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: Like it's like, yeah, I got I got my castle

1131
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: re roofed exactly.

1132
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: She was like, bro, get some I'm like Prince you

1133
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 3: have enough money the family. I do think this show

1134
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: is okay.

1135
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 4: For a show that like really revitalized Kate Bush's song

1136
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 4: and Master of Puppets like had these huge boosts from

1137
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 4: the show. I think they were really trying to get

1138
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 4: another moment like that in the season and it raising

1139
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 4: really Worriver.

1140
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: Also as well. The difference between like this is not

1141
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 3: to insult Kate Bush an icon in England where I

1142
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 3: grew up, very famous pop star. Right, a lot of

1143
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 3: kids had never heard of her, had never heard that song, bitch,

1144
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 3: everyone knows Prince. That's the difference, Like you've actually play

1145
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: a Prince song and be like it's purple Rain. And

1146
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: also when Doves Cry, like two of the most famous songs.

1147
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 3: When Doves cryes very famously in Romeo and Juliet too,

1148
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 3: so like a lot of people know different versions of it.

1149
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: Like I just don't think they should have done like

1150
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: they should have even if they just had like nineteen

1151
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 3: ninety nine when something had gone right and they'd all

1152
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 3: celebrate it. I don't know. I just feel like other

1153
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 3: other songs, a lot of it is correct.

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01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: That was a crazy song.

1155
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 3: How dare You crazy?

1156
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: Okay?

1157
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: Straight straighty Final thoughts about Yeah.

1158
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm upset that they didn't do the meme where somebody said, well,

1159
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: we've seen stranger things. I think at this point, just

1160
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 3: do it. Just say it, like man Isaiah was saying

1161
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 3: that the whole time, and just like fucking somebody say it,

1162
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 3: say stranger things.

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Speaker 6: If you do a kid relaunch, let's keep the kid

1164
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 6: the focus of the show on the new group of kids.

1165
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: I think eighty seven new characters in the final season

1166
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: was a choice. Enough time. I needed more Max.

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Speaker 6: And eleven times they were my favorite. I love seeing

1168
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 6: the season three Hang, I thought it was super cute.

1169
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 6: I needed more Justin always, just because I love Dustin.

1170
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 6: I just felt like we didn't get enough of this

1171
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 6: core group of kids at the end, all of their

1172
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 6: various like connections, and it was really a problem. So

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01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 6: if we if we do this again, and I we're

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01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 6: gonna do it again, let's take the focus on the kids.

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01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 6: I think that's where the magic is.

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01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I also think for me, like

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01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: I want them to stick to the character stuff that

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01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 3: works and building on it instead of always new, new,

1179
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: new expansion. I think like they forget that what made

1180
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 3: the show so popular in the first place was four

1181
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 3: kids on bikes, very et very intimate, Like you can

1182
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 3: have a big story, but you need the heart of it.

1183
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: And I agree with you, Joelle. Other than Holly, I

1184
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 3: didn't need any of the other kids. It could have

1185
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: just been Holly. He didn't need twelve Holley like, you're fine,

1186
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 3: like whatever, Like I think stuff like that. I also

1187
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 3: would say for me, I think if you're gonna go

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01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 3: fan service, full fan service. I don't see why when

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01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 3: they went to Dimension X or the upside Down, we

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01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 3: couldn't have seen, you know, Billy come back and try

1191
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 3: and help Max a little bit, or fucking you know

1192
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 3: people that they'd killed off in the upside Down. I'm like,

1193
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 3: if you're gonna do full fan service, like where's Eddie Mounch,

1194
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 3: we gonna make the market. Yeah, they're the montage, but

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01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: I want to see the power. Jason, I'm now learning

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01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 3: that you love a montage. This is great. I'm gonna

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01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 3: be everything that I said to you.

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Speaker 2: Now let me say, first of all, difference, I don't

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Speaker 2: always love a montage. Here, let me preview it. Let

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01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: me preview a take that I think is going to

1201
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: be divisive. Uh well, PENELTI whether I think it's either

1202
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 2: the penultimate or the season finale of Heared Rivalry Montage

1203
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: Too Long. We went through like the entire song along

1204
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: with the montage to jump ahead for years. Yeah, but

1205
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: like it was identical pacing. It was like each identical

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01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: constituent piece of each year in the montage, give us

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01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 2: you one, give us your one, and then speed through

1208
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: two and three. It doesn't need to be the exactly

1209
01:02:53,200 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: any one anyway, But I thought, listen, the nostalgia is

1210
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: what works the best in strength the month, and so

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Speaker 2: the montages work. I think my straight thought and is

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01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: whether or not Eleven is alive and safe in the

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01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 2: place with the three waterfalls. I believe she is. I

1214
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: believe that they don't have any idea what the three

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01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: waterfall location is. That they just were like, give us

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01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: a place, and they just did put that in there.

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01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: Maybe we get more of that in a in the

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01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:33,919
Speaker 2: spin off. But my question is like, why did why

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01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 2: did Eleven go up that way? Now she has to

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Speaker 2: go like ten miles around this.

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Speaker 1: Huge to get to the fucking place. Why did she

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01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: go that way?

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Speaker 2: Go towards the.

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Speaker 7: Village, go towards the buildings, go up the side where

1225
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 7: the buildings are. Why did you it be like I

1226
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 7: want to go to the Like it'd be like you

1227
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 7: have to go to a place on the other side

1228
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Speaker 7: of the Grain Canyon, and you go from the other

1229
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 7: side of the Grand Canyon and go look across at it.

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01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 3: Now you have to go across, like find a way across.

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Speaker 3: I would also say, let's think about this, right if

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Speaker 3: you think about like how we've seen eleven evolve over

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01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 3: the years. This girl only just learned how to speak

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01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 3: in like full sentences, and she's like sixteen. I imagine

1235
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 3: she's going to roll into that finish town and be like,

1236
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 3: where's my where's my where's the coulp? Can he be

1237
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 3: my dad? Like she doesn't know how to like live

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 3: in normal we can't outside. Well, so I'm like very interested.

1239
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: Can I get Can I get a waterfall count?

1240
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 3: Really quick?

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01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1242
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 3: That is?

1243
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I wonder Aaron.

1244
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 4: One of the things that I thought leading up to

1245
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 4: the finale is, you know, Rosie talked about the original

1246
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 4: pitch of the show Montak where it was going to

1247
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 4: be an anthology, and after season one, people loved the

1248
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 4: characters so much they kept them and they just decided

1249
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 4: to do a show with all these characters, and leading

1250
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 4: into the finale episode, I was like, you know, I

1251
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 4: kind of would have loved if they had done an

1252
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 4: anthology like we have seen White Lotus do it on TV.

1253
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 4: We can do an anthology series that people will love.

1254
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 4: But kind of like Jason, when those montages hit and

1255
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 4: I saw all the little kids meeting eleven and I

1256
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 4: saw them in the basement and I saw them like,

1257
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 4: you know, she has to go change in the bathroom.

1258
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 4: But once the door opened, I was like, you're right,

1259
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 4: it was good that you kept these characters.

1260
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 5: I like these characters, so that's my life.

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01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 4: Like I still would love a Stranger Things anthology where

1262
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 4: they fight vampires or dragons or other classic D and

1263
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 4: D villains.

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01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 5: I would love that. But this worked. I think you.

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01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: Felt like, yeah, mmm wow.

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01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 6: You know Max and Lucas the actors that play them,

1267
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 6: Justine and we got a lot of good crid actors

1268
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 6: out of this. He really helped the next generation of

1269
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 6: American actors, which you know is always a struggle for us.

1270
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 6: The Brits come over here take our jobs.

1271
01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 3: The Australia, it's all the countries where there is universal

1272
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 3: healthcast so people can.

1273
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: Like focus on the.

1274
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, why does Iceland have so much good music?

1275
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 6: What it's It's a priority over there, It's not over here.

1276
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 6: So thank you Duffer Brothers and Netflix for giving us

1277
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 6: some American actors to.

1278
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: Look forward to.

1279
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 3: Yes, I like that, Joel.

1280
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, stranger things, let's put the pin in it

1281
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 2: for now.

1282
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 3: Clearly we're gonna will know.

1283
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: But it's been wonderful to spend this time in the

1284
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: upside down with you. On the next episode of Extra Vision,

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01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: We're diving to fall Out two four. This episode of

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01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 2: Thanks for Listening, Bye Bye x ray Vision is hosted

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01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 2: by Jason SEPs Young and Rosie Knight and is a

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01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: production of iHeart Podcast.

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01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kolefman.

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abusafar.

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01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack.

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01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,919
Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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Speaker 3: Heidi our discord moderator.