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Speaker 3: Good morning, sir man. Welcome to the Nooks podcast on

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Speaker 3: the Athletic Network. It's Thursday, June nineteenth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jay Skats here in the Classic Factory and alongside

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Speaker 3: me as always test Melist Basketball.

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Speaker 1: This one's for you.

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Speaker 3: Next to him, it's the Bearded One, Topshot, Hot Boy,

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Speaker 3: Trey Kirby, Hey Yo, and over yonder making the magic happen.

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Speaker 3: Super producer JD. Hell Darius here. We are appreciate everyone

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Speaker 3: joining us here today either on YouTube or you podcast listeners.

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Speaker 3: In case you missed it, we recorded a banger of

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Speaker 3: an episode yesterday ranking the last twenty five NBA Finals,

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Speaker 3: So if you haven't checked that one out, do yourself

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Speaker 3: a favor. Fire it up here. You got time before

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Speaker 3: Games six to night of the NBA Finals as we

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Speaker 3: use the tear Maker to go over the every NBA

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Speaker 3: Finals from this century. That'll blast trip down memory lane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this one's good for all Robert Ory fans out there.

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Speaker 3: People are saying we were too hard.

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Speaker 2: On twenty ten. Should have been an s tire.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, I lived it, man, I blogged it man, exactly,

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Speaker 3: that's true.

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Speaker 1: I know that one of the finals that we ranked

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Speaker 1: this twenty six one that we're currently in, can't wait

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Speaker 1: to find out if we're gonna have seven games that

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Speaker 3: We ended up putting it eightier. Is that right? It's

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Speaker 3: been good so far. Yeah, it's been very good. But

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Speaker 3: we said, hey, it could go up to an steer,

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Speaker 3: specially if we get a game seven and we're going

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Speaker 3: to get into that. We'll do a little is this

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Speaker 3: news later and dive into the Lakers sale for ten

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Speaker 3: billion dollars. But after a back and forth battle here

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Speaker 3: between the Thunder and Pacers, twenty twenty five NBA Finals,

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Speaker 3: one step closer to crowning a new champion, does it

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Speaker 3: happen tonight? Let's break it down, and you know, we

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Speaker 3: got to start with the status of Tyrese Haliburton. Yesterday,

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Speaker 3: Pacers coach Rick Carlisle said that a decision on Halliburton's

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Speaker 3: status for game six here tonight, it's not expected to

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Speaker 3: be announced until later this afternoon, maybe this evening. Looking

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Speaker 3: like he's a game time decision. Is where we're at

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Speaker 3: with Halliburton. So my question showed it to the guys

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Speaker 3: at ESPN for this one on a scale of one

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Speaker 3: to ten tests, how concerned should the Pacers be about

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Speaker 3: Halliburton's status and that calf injury.

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Speaker 1: I'm bumping it up. I feel like I'm an eight.

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Speaker 1: A bit of worry on both offensive and the defensive end,

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Speaker 1: because I think defensively, he's just got to stay in

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Speaker 1: if enough guys weren't back fast enough, when they turned

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Speaker 1: in shocklock situations, the Thunder were just good enough. Like

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Speaker 1: Shay wasn't the primary ball handler, but if they weren't

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Speaker 1: much that Tyres Halburn is just going to get kicked

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Speaker 1: passing that happens. It happened over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Williams obviously the guy who was so good at

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Speaker 1: I just want to be able to see Haliburton be

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's impossible for the Pacers to win

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Speaker 2: that game was their second best offensive game from an

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Speaker 2: team on the offensive end, one hundred and ten offensive

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Speaker 2: That's not good enough to win against the Thunder team.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately for the Pacers, they lack a guy who's

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Speaker 2: else like Pascal Siakam can attack from the mid post area,

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Speaker 2: for sure, but that's not the way the Pacers want

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Speaker 2: We've seen Sakam kind of fade in some of these

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Speaker 2: In Game five and it was a two point game,

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Speaker 2: try and gut it, I would think. So it's going

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Speaker 2: to be the Aaron Gordon. It's like you're playing but

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Speaker 2: you're not the same guy. This is an opportunity for

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Speaker 2: Andrew Emhart to actually step up and have a pretty

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Speaker 2: decent game here. He's been ten points, three rebounds, three

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Speaker 2: But I think they really lost Game five because they

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Speaker 3: Halliburton did take part in the Pacers practice on Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: but that was a lot of like watching film, so

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Speaker 3: he's just sitting there using his eyeballs he can do that.

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Speaker 3: They had a thirty minute walk through and then they

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Speaker 3: did some light shooting and he was basically just flat

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Speaker 3: like obviously going at game speed or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: They've been trying every treatment. The reports are to make

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Speaker 3: this a little more comfortable for him here for game six,

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Speaker 3: hyperbaric chambers, needles, massage, electronic stimulation, special tape. So they

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Speaker 3: a big gap between games five and six to try

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Speaker 2: But you think the H waves are gonna work, You

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that if he can't play, like that

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Speaker 3: they're like, we gotta save him from himself, Like he

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Speaker 3: can't play. Is it as simple as putting TJ McConnell

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Speaker 1: I think it is TJH. What would be the other option?

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Speaker 1: Benedic Matherrin, I don't think I got to put him

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Speaker 4: He hasn't really thrived. Hey, it's his birthday today, Oh

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Speaker 2: He hasn't done much on the offensive end, but like

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Speaker 2: I said, I thought the defense was more of a

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Speaker 2: I think that might be the PACER's best chance of

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Speaker 2: like Siya can get to the line. Ben Mathern can

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Speaker 1: That's the risky part is you might see Benedict Mathern

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Speaker 1: I mean, just not passing the ball enough, using everybody

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Speaker 1: because defensively, the thunder are going to stop you, and

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Speaker 1: they have to move the ball, and they just have

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Speaker 1: to get the shots early. They can't wait twenty seconds

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Speaker 3: I am with you, guys. So I think Helliburn starts

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Speaker 3: falling whatever, then I think Carlisle and that staff have

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Speaker 3: to make a quick decision to go earlier to TJ,

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Speaker 3: go to Mathrin, Ben whatever it is, Ben Sheppard. So

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Speaker 3: we'll see. Look, Heliburn has not had a good series

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Speaker 3: as it is now. He came in sort of with

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Speaker 3: these lower leg injuries. He's only averaging fifteen and seven.

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Speaker 3: Had a bunch of turnovers for him in this series too,

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Speaker 3: But are they part of that's lout Dort's on him,

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Speaker 3: and that's a great point. Yeah, it's like it's just

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Speaker 2: He is overdue for a good game. Hasn't had twenty

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Speaker 2: Tray, I truly hope, So.

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Speaker 1: Come on.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, this is a major Thunder advantage right here. I

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Speaker 2: Been a long time. Backs against the wall player injured.

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Speaker 2: Everything is pointing towards the Thunder winning their first championship.

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Speaker 2: But I would love to see Zaza Pachulia in that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that's what I I think a lot

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Speaker 1: Well, everybody definitely thinks that. Okay, so he's winning here

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Speaker 1: points because of Jalen's forty and Chase thirty one. And

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Speaker 1: also these miraculous performances from Cason Wallace banging home three

433
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Speaker 1: threes after he hadn't hit won the first four games,

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Speaker 1: Lou Dort splashing two threes in the fourth quarter after

435
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Speaker 1: he hadn't splashed one fourth quarter three, and Andrew Wiggins

436
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Speaker 1: not Andrew Aaron Wiggins chipping in with three other threes.

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Speaker 1: So they did score one hundred and twenty points. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know if all those things happen again. You

439
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,440
Speaker 1: had seventy one from two guys and these miracle games

440
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,280
Speaker 1: from guys. I know case Malls can hit a three.

441
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Speaker 1: They're capable, but yes they are, but they hadn't been

442
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Speaker 1: doing it. Now we're going to India, right, things are

443
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Speaker 1: a little different. I don't know how many people are

444
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Speaker 1: driving from Okac, how many blue shirts will be in there.

445
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,280
Speaker 1: You shouldn't let those people in there, check their clothing,

446
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Speaker 1: not let them in. They're not allowed. That's that's the

447
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Speaker 1: way it works. But I'm sure they'll be wearing they'll

448
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Speaker 1: probably come in a yellow shirt, take it off and

449
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Speaker 1: they're in there. They'd be smart. Yeah, So yeah, I

450
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Speaker 1: just want to see I just want to see a

451
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Speaker 1: great performance. I do want to see Haliburn out there playing,

452
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Speaker 1: and I think the guys will be playing for him

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Speaker 1: around him, and they're going to have to. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I had four predictions for these finals when we were

455
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Speaker 3: doing our preview of this thing. My first one was

456
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Speaker 3: JDub would be the early finals MVP favorite, but SGA

457
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Speaker 3: would win it. So I had that one backwards. You know,

458
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,679
Speaker 3: Jadab started slowly in this series, but now over the

459
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Speaker 3: last three games has like got himself sort of into

460
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Speaker 3: finals MVB conversation. I don't think he's winning it regardless,

461
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Speaker 3: it's going to SGA, So that one's like a half one, right.

462
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Speaker 3: I did say we'll get a TJ. McConnell podium game.

463
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Speaker 3: Now I don't think he ever actually got to the podium,

464
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Speaker 3: so there's a technicality there where he went and talked

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Speaker 3: to the press. But man, I'm gonna take that one

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Speaker 3: as a as a win. He had two games. I

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Speaker 3: think we could argue he sort of got overlooked in

468
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Speaker 3: the math win game, but McConnell was on fire that game,

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Speaker 3: and then he had a really good game five. I

470
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Speaker 3: did say it didn't I didn't say it was gonna

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Speaker 3: come and wins. I was gonna say he's got some

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Speaker 3: big moments. Then I said two of Okase's wins would

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Speaker 3: be huge blowouts. Thankfully, I was wrong about this one.

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Speaker 3: No one wants blowouts. We definitely don't want blowouts to

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Speaker 3: talk about on the show. Because we had okay see

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Speaker 3: winning Game two by sixteen.

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Speaker 1: It's not a blowout, is it.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I was thinking twenty plus in my.

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Speaker 2: Head, twenty plus. I agree, yeah, bout, but game two

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Speaker 2: is the only game that's felt like a blowout, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And then Game five that they just won, they won

482
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Speaker 3: by eleven, but it was definitely close. Yeah, so that

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Speaker 3: was wrong again half fully. But my final one was

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Speaker 3: thunder and six, and that's why this one ends to night.

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Speaker 2: And if the thunder went in seven, you'll say, like

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Speaker 2: I was basically right.

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Speaker 1: No, I won't. I won't know.

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Speaker 3: You guys had thunder and five. It's thunder and six,

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Speaker 3: well more.

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Speaker 2: Technically right on that they won game one, well, but

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Speaker 2: you know, technically a guy hit a shot at the end.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, they're winning their championship tonight. I can't

493
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Speaker 3: believe Halliburton's barely playing on one leg.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: They're shocked the world. Baby, go ahead. I think it's

496
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Speaker 3: over tonight. Okay, See all those people driving up there

497
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Speaker 3: are gonna be able to celebrate. I guess on the

498
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Speaker 3: road and I'll have to drive home.

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Speaker 1: That sucks.

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Speaker 3: Well, not that night. You're gonna be partying in Indianapolis.

501
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Speaker 3: See you at at Saint Almost Steakhouse, snorting the horse

502
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Speaker 3: radish out there, the horse radish. I think thunder went tonight.

503
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Speaker 3: But okay, if it goes seven to go seven, we

504
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Speaker 3: got more.

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Speaker 1: That's a wake up man, snoring horse radish. We had

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Speaker 1: the pleasure of being there that horse radish. It was hot.

507
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Speaker 1: There's nothing spicier. Oh interesting, there is? There is other

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Speaker 1: than like when Lee alis eight Pepper's on our show Peppers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh that's that's a great Netflix doc. Actually, the Pepper test,

510
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Speaker 1: the pepper contest. It's part of the great Netflix doc

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Speaker 1: called What Well. It's like all these contests.

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Speaker 3: Oh is that the one where they had the frog jumping.

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Speaker 1: Contest cheese roll in England?

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Speaker 3: It's like weird sporting events.

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Speaker 1: Sporting events. Yeah, paper pepper eating contest, cheese roll, super

516
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Speaker 1: fun frog one.

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Speaker 3: Was Yeah, I watched that one.

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Speaker 2: It was good.

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Speaker 3: We asked the people here on the stream team, who's

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Speaker 3: winning Game six tonight? Thunder sixty of the vote right

521
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Speaker 3: now in Indiana, get us a game seven. They want

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Speaker 3: the Zaza talk it into existence.

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Speaker 1: We will see we are the champions. I knew it,

524
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Speaker 1: but I couldn't say it is the Netflix cheese roll

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Speaker 1: slash other stuff.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right, So that's a little preview for

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Speaker 3: game six. So we'll wait to see how Haliburton is

528
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Speaker 3: and if he even plays tonight. But let's get into

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Speaker 3: some is this news, all right? First headline, we're sticking

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Speaker 3: with the Indiana Pacers because they made a trade. And

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, we can't even call up the Southern lawyer

532
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Speaker 3: for this. No, that feels disrespectful.

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Speaker 2: But speak to my associate, the Southern paralegal.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, ourselves a trade. There you go, NBA dot Com.

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Speaker 3: We'll go to the headline. Pacers trade Mohave King and

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Speaker 3: the number twenty three pick in the twenty five NBA

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Speaker 3: Draft to the Pelicans. So again, in the trade, Pacers

538
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Speaker 3: sending the number twenty three pick in this year's and

539
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Speaker 3: the draft rights to Mohave King to the Pelicans for

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Speaker 3: the PACER's own twenty twenty six first round pick, which

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Speaker 3: the Pelicans previously acquired in a deal that sent Brandon

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Speaker 3: Ingram to the Raptors. So there's like a little swap

543
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Speaker 3: going on here, tasks. Yeah, Pacers getting back there at

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Speaker 3: number twenty six pick, but giving up the twenty third

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Speaker 3: pick in this year's draft of the Pels.

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Speaker 1: Is this news, I'm saying it's news. I'm saying the

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Speaker 1: Pacers have too many and they don't want to draft

548
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Speaker 1: one this year. They may draft one next year, maybe maybe,

549
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Speaker 1: But I think this is just another asset for them

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Speaker 1: to trade, essentially to package it with other players. I

551
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Speaker 1: know we all talk about the Rockets, potentially the Timberwolves,

552
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Speaker 1: the Spurs as teams that could package their talented players,

553
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Speaker 1: but the Pacers could also do that. And now they

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Speaker 1: have a pick next year, and it'll probably be a

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Speaker 1: worst pick, I would say, than twenty three because I

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Speaker 1: think they will finish in the top seven of records

557
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Speaker 1: next season. So twenty four through thirty yeah, I'm just assuming.

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Speaker 1: So I just think they're saying, you know what, we

559
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Speaker 1: don't want to we don't want this pick. We don't

560
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Speaker 1: want a draft pick here this year. Say it for

561
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Speaker 1: next year. Let's see what we do with it.

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Speaker 3: I guess Hollander pointing out in shipping out this pick,

563
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Speaker 3: the Pacers roughly get rid of like two point seven

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Speaker 3: million dollars guaranteed salary, and that would go to that player,

565
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Speaker 3: of course, so you don't now have to do that.

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Speaker 3: And they are trying to figure out Miles Turner and

567
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Speaker 3: his contract extension, so maybe they just save some money

568
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Speaker 3: here and they get their twenty six pick back.

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Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent of the reason they did it

570
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Speaker 2: is to try and pay Miles Turner. They say they're

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Speaker 2: going to go into the tax. Pacers usually don't go

572
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Speaker 2: into the tax, but Miles Turner has been there forever

573
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Speaker 2: they went to the finals, so I think that's why

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Speaker 2: they did this. Basically, the Pacers have a ten man

575
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Speaker 2: rotation already with guys at the end of it in

576
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Speaker 2: Johnny Furfey and Jaris Walker, two recent first round draft

577
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Speaker 2: picks who can barely get on the court, like Furfey,

578
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Speaker 2: is the the the human victory or the human game

579
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: is over, Cigar at the very leads for the Pacers. Obviously,

580
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Speaker 2: Walker has been hurt for this entire finals, but played

581
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Speaker 2: sparingly throughout their run through the Eastern Conference finals or playoffs.

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Speaker 2: So if you've already got your team, you've already got

583
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Speaker 2: your rotation, you've already got two pieces that you're trying

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Speaker 2: to develop, it makes sense to save a couple of

585
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Speaker 2: million dollars and try and pay Miles Turner over the summer.

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Speaker 2: And like you're saying, the Pelicans are saying, twenty three

587
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Speaker 2: this year is better than twenty five next season, right right,

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Speaker 2: So let's do it. Let's let's do it now and

589
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Speaker 2: give us your king. There's a player involved in a

590
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Speaker 2: miracle over the Mojave King. A lot of people say,

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Speaker 2: who meantasse? No, we call the Mojave King game once

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Speaker 2: upon its own.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well in the giliguus j Yeah, I didn't think

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Speaker 2: he played, but he was on the Yeah. In the

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Speaker 2: packet of information, the dossier that we read, did.

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Speaker 3: Dink play Dink Pat?

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Speaker 1: I think he played that? Yeah, yeah, he played more

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Speaker 1: than the King.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I do believe this? Uh makes all of Indie's

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Speaker 3: picks from twenty six to thirty two either tradeable or

602
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Speaker 3: now swappable. Right, you know, depending on the year. Even

603
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: numbered years they could trade, odd numbered years they could swamp.

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Speaker 3: So it does sort of like complete that set again.

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Speaker 3: To go back to what you're saying, if they are

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Speaker 3: a player or active in trade talks, like, you know,

607
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Speaker 3: we have draft capital now to do that in getting

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Speaker 3: that back, you know, with the whole Steppian rule and

609
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Speaker 3: all that. So anyway, they got it. I guess it

610
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Speaker 3: was the last time. I'm thinking when this trade goes down,

611
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Speaker 3: like what a finals trade with a team playing in

612
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Speaker 3: the finals, that's rare. What was the last time that happened?

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Speaker 3: Twenty five years ago? The Nuggets did it, Yeah, in

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Speaker 3: twenty three, which I had completely forgotten about. Obviously not

615
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Speaker 3: a big deal either. Basically along these same lines work

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Speaker 3: in the books a little bit.

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Speaker 2: We want we want cheap players on our team is

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Speaker 2: kind of what it comes down to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and never is somebody who is an active player. No,

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Speaker 1: I know't I imagine. I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: I think it was all draft picks for yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was like they traded their first for two future

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Speaker 2: first or something along those lines. When you're a good team,

624
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Speaker 2: you got to figure out ways to extend your window

625
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Speaker 2: and get cheap guys who can contribute, especially now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, moving on, our next headline. This was

627
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Speaker 3: a big one in the NBA world. We'll go to ESPN.

628
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: The Bus family agrees to sell the Lakers to Mark

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Speaker 3: Walter at a ten billion valuation. TK is this news.

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Speaker 2: This is huge news. This is the kind of news

631
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Speaker 2: that the Hoop Collective did an emergency podcast for on

632
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Speaker 2: a team sale. That's how big a news this is.

633
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: And honestly, it feels like it could be kind of

634
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: sad if I'm being quite honest, the end of the

635
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: Bus era in Los Angeles, the glamour franchise at the

636
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: NBA and the Lakers was just a family run business,

637
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Speaker 2: a family owned business, which is kind of crazy and

638
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: kind of worrying for the rest of the NBA now,

639
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Speaker 2: I think, because it's like the Lakers are always going

640
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: to come out on top over the course of time.

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00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: Like every good player he gets photoshopped into a Lakers jersey,

642
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: he ends up on the Lakers in the future regardless.

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Speaker 2: Now they have a ton of money to spend on

644
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: everything else outside of basketball. Because we got a hard

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Speaker 2: cap in the NBA, the second apron basically functions as

646
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: a hard cap. There are reasons a hard cap was

647
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: put in place for a guy like Mark Walters for

648
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: a guy like Steve Balmer Joe Lacob, who have enough

649
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: money that they don't care about spending over the salary cap.

650
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: They'll pay anything in luxury tax. But there's all these

651
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: penalties for aggregating players, your draft picks getting frozen, this

652
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: stuff that makes it so Walter can't do what he

653
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: did for the Dodgers in MLB, where you just pay

654
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: everybody more money than anybody else can. So at least

655
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: there's a playing field that's level from a salary standpoint

656
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: for the Lakers. But now they can have they can

657
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: hire any GM they want, like masaiyu Zieri. Maybe come

658
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: on down, Sam Presty, come on down. We'll offer you

659
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars in a year to be our guy.

660
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: Could easily do it if they want to. They're gonna

661
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: have the best facilities in the NBA. They're gonna have

662
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: the best player development staffs in the NBA. That's the

663
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: funny thing about the Lakers is they are such a

664
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: star studed franchise, but that's mostly on the court. Off

665
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: the court, they were kind of lagging behind other teams,

666
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: and now there's no way that's.

667
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: Going to be the case.

668
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly it, and that's why we won't see these

669
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: family run businesses anymore. You're going to see companies and

670
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: organizations that are run by organizations that are smarter with

671
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: their money and willing to spend. And what the Mark

672
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: Walter led ownership of the Dodgers did was a lot

673
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: of those things that you did, say, trailer improve facilities,

674
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: improved front office improve that kind of thing. Coaching talent

675
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: even you know, find JJ Reddick some other assistant coaches

676
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: that can help player development go deeper, go deeper. And

677
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: I think that's what they're going to do. They're going

678
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: to spend even though you know, these numbers are just

679
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: just these numbers that it's impossible for me. I don't

680
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: know if I speak for you guys, but it is

681
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: impossib doable for me to understand. It's ten million, ten

682
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: billion at this point, it could eventually go up to

683
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: twelve billion. And the numbers keep getting higher with all

684
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: of these organizations that are going to be run by

685
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: non family.

686
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: Business sovereign wealth funds.

687
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, these these these so yeah Abu Dhabi Lakers,

688
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: right exactly. Yeah, Walter paid he O Tani a ton

689
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: with the Dodgers. It's the same ownership. He paido he

690
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: Atani seven hundred million over ten years, although like all

691
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: of it was deferred.

692
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: That's that's the craziest thing when you're reading this, to

693
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: see the Otani contract. They owe him seven hundred million dollars,

694
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: but they pay him two million dollars a year.

695
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, they pushed six hundred and eighty later, we'll play

696
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: we'll pay you later.

697
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: They're probably laughing. They're probably like coming out easily in

698
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: the in the green yeah.

699
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. And no Tani.

700
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, the winning World Series. He's obviously a star around

701
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: the globe.

702
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sorr Yeah, no, no Otani. Part of his reasoning

703
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: for signing there was the ownership, which is an odd

704
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: thing to say. I always talked with our man Joel

705
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: McMillan on No Bunts that he would always say, Oh,

706
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, No, they're never going to come around. They're

707
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: never going to come around. They're not going to be good.

708
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden they change ownerships and

709
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: now they're there doing it every single season, winning one

710
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: hundred games because of these tiny little changes and a

711
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: seven hundred million dollar change, but also these tiny little

712
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: changes in practice facilities and all that kind of stuff,

713
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: and that's where the Lakers seemingly will benefit.

714
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Walter here in his group, like you guys

715
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: are saying primary owner, chairman of the Dodgers, he is

716
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: currently holding a minority stake in the Lakers, like he

717
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: had like twenty seven percent, So this is just being

718
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: bumped up to the majority.

719
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: Here.

720
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: He took steak in twenty twenty one of the Lakers,

721
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: him and his partner again that twenty seven percent share

722
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: of the franchise. It was valued at that time the

723
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: Lakers at five billion, and here we are four years

724
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: later and we're looking at ten plus billion, which is

725
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: pretty wild. It's just insane. We just saw the Celtics

726
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: and I guess I don't know if it's official official,

727
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 3: but that's a six point one billion dollar sale. You know,

728
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: that's a lot more than even just what happened with

729
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: the Mavericks and Cuban moving off. I think that was

730
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: like three point five. Like this is an eye opening number, right,

731
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: you know, you saw all the valuations I remember at

732
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: the time, like Lakers are probably six or seven somewhere

733
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: around there. Ten billion, Trey, I mean, the most.

734
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: Valuable franchise in sports period, not in America right, globally.

735
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing.

736
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: You can see why Glenn Taylor tried to call takebacks

737
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: on selling to a Rod for one point five billion dollars.

738
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: Whoops, Oh damn. Yeah, no, it's a good point, and

739
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: the Bus family has done pretty well. Jerry Buss purchasing

740
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: the Lakers from Jack Kent Cook one of my favorite

741
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 3: names to say, back in seventy nine for sixty seven

742
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: point five million. That was the transaction. Also included the Kings,

743
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: the Los Angeles form I think a ranch was included

744
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: as well, and then the Lakers. So that was, you know,

745
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: quite the return on investment here the sixty seven point

746
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: five million. About forty fifty years later, we're at the

747
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: ten billion plus now. Ramona Shelmerd had an interesting tweet.

748
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: She said, you know, maybe the reason why this is

749
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: happening here, like why the Bus family is selling it

750
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: the majority of the Lakers, is that doctor Buss structured

751
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: his trust after you know what, before he passed, so

752
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: the team could only convey to his six children. So

753
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: it was set up sort of maybe even oddly as

754
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: a last man's standing situation unless the team was sold

755
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: by majority vote beforehand, because like my point here, like

756
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: to break that down, it's like the way it was

757
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: set up is like probably whoever the youngest of the

758
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: Bus family kids are like, they'll be the ones that

759
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: eventually would take it all on. But they thought, you know,

760
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: maybe that's not fair. Maybe we start getting into these

761
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: numbers that we do sell here to then evenly share

762
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: this money to Johnny to Jim to Jeanie to Janny,

763
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: to Joey to Jesse.

764
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: No, are those all the children?

765
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's a seventh that doctor Buss has. But

766
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: I don't rick. Well, they went through a leg.

767
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: They went through a legal battle a few years ago.

768
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: Jeanie was a to retain ownership. Yeah yeah, so I

769
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how those legal battles work.

770
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: But she had ownership, she had the ability to run it,

771
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: and she was doing it extremely well.

772
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: Well And they say, at least here, the reports are

773
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: that Genie Bus is going to continue to serve in

774
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: her role as Lakers governor, to which I say, bullshit, No,

775
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: she won't. She will maybe right now it looks good,

776
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: but she will not continue.

777
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: Ramona Shelburne reporting that there's language in the contract and

778
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: her source is Genie Bus.

779
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: So you're saying it saying it's more of a Mark Cuban.

780
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I'm saying. Generally, people don't buy things

781
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: for ten million dollars and say, hey, the other person

782
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: you run it.

783
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: Well, it's for a few years, is what they're sort

784
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: of implying.

785
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: Allegedly, the Bus family kept like fifteen percent yes, yes,

786
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 2: which is what you have to have to be considered

787
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: a governor for the team. Marcus Mark Cuban must hate this.

788
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: Every time a team sells, they're like, aha, what about

789
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: Mark Cuban though he said he was going to be

790
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: running the team.

791
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did say that.

792
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, true.

793
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: So I think Celtics similar will happen here. Maybe I'm wrong,

794
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: But the other part, holy crap. You'll have to assume

795
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: like Silver and the League knew these sales were cooking here, right,

796
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: I'm talking about especially the Celtics, the Grosspick sale and

797
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: then now this one with the Lakers, like he was

798
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: kicking the can when it came to expansion down the road.

799
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: I think in large part because he's like, hold on,

800
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: hold on, hold on, we got two of the most

801
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: storied franchise in the world. They're talking about sales and

802
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: stuff like that. Let's get those sold. That's going to

803
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: only drive up the market for these eventual expansion teams, right,

804
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: Like it's so obvious now it's like they could have

805
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: done expansion but and then the television new television deal too,

806
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 3: and I know that comes into play. But man, because

807
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: now this just is like even crazier now, like the

808
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 3: pockets are gonna have to have to get these expansion teams.

809
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 3: It just sets it higher.

810
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: Yep, right, Oh, there's no doubt. I do wonder what

811
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: happened with the ranch. Sorry to go to the ranch.

812
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: I think a ranch. I'm interested. Does that have anything

813
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: to do with Phil Jackson being done with the ranch?

814
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: So Jennie bus is done with the ranch and they

815
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: can just get rid of the ranch. But I don't

816
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,479
Speaker 1: know if that's part of this sale.

817
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: I don't know.

818
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: Maybe the unnamed seventh Bus child has the ranch, right,

819
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 3: Rick Ranch, Cowboys, cowboy rin.

820
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: I don't care about the team. Let me have the

821
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: horses ranch, anything else on this.

822
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: Look.

823
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: I'm not a conspiracy guy, but that's always what starts

824
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: with a starts with the Luca trade. If you're trying

825
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: to say it's not a conspiracy. Having the Mavericks get

826
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: the number one pick and then the Lakers sell for

827
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: ten billion dollars are pretty hilarious things to like, let

828
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: leave with no uh cover up at all, No no

829
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: cover for this team, but pretty crazy.

830
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: The way this has played out unbelievable. So right now

831
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: report a ten billion valuation, but yeah, could be even more.

832
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: We'll we'll wait to find out. Moving on, here this

833
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: headline from the Athletic as NBA plans for new pro

834
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: league in Europe progress EuroLeague re enters, the conversation tast

835
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: will start with you. Here is this news?

836
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: This is news. It sure feels like the NBA is

837
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: going to expand have some sort of league in Europe.

838
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: We just watched what are franchise sold for in the

839
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Lakers. People are hungry to sell sports. They

840
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: are alive and silver. Along with Deputy Commercioner Mark Tatum,

841
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 1: they commented and said we're meeting here with euro League

842
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: officials and representative of all thirteen permanent EuroLeague teams along

843
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: with the NBA to have that conversation, where are we going?

844
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: How do we expand? And it sure feels like this

845
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: is going to be not with the EuroLeague by any means,

846
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: but there's going to be this sort of secondary league.

847
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: I would say maybe it sure feels.

848
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: But in the article it said, quote the two leagues

849
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 3: have had a frosty relationship of the last year. We're

850
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: talking about the NBA in EuroLeague. Ye, after the euro

851
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: League turned down the NBA's offer to partner with your

852
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: league to run a European basketball league. But the relationship

853
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: seems to be thawed in recent months. And I guess

854
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: Tony Parker playing a part in that.

855
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's one of the owners of the EuroLeague,

856
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: a EuroLeague team, permanent team ASPAL. That being said, they're

857
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: going to meet and just discuss what is going to

858
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: happen in Europe. How are we going to have another league.

859
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: They did meet and they had this conversation and Tatum

860
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: basically said it's going to happen in two to three years,

861
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: that we're going to within that Athletic article, that there

862
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: will be a European basketball league, and he further expanded

863
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: and said into this vision of a revamped top tier

864
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: league in Europe that is going to service fans, the

865
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: millions of basketball fans in Europe that currently aren't serviced today.

866
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: And you saw a team, a German team, Albert Berlin

867
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: leave the euro League to this to go to this

868
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: foba's Basketball champions League, and that will seemingly be the

869
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: affiliate of the NBA or whatever it is. But I

870
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: think it'll be the secondary league. And they're only with

871
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: the euro League to just get to the table and say, hey,

872
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: this's gonna happen in Europe. You guys know what you're doing,

873
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: but we have to expand there's just so many fans

874
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: that are unserviced in Europe. It just feels that way.

875
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: It feels like there will be some sort of league

876
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: as opposed to the EuroLeague.

877
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there will be the NBA's European League

878
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: and probably still the EuroLeague as well. And the EuroLeague

879
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: is saying, uh oh, they're going to come in here

880
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: and leave us behind and make all of the money here,

881
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: So why don't we get on board with this or

882
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: at least talk it up to see if we can't

883
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: be included in this somehow. It's kind of like the

884
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 2: NBA ABA merger, like they'll probably the NBA's version will

885
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: probably take like the biggest and best EuroLeague teams to

886
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: start up this thing. And my other takeaway was like,

887
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: is Adam Silver's dream to have a club World Cup

888
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: of the NBA of basketball? You know they're doing it

889
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: right here in Atlanta right now. We got inner Miami

890
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: versus Porto tonight at the Mercedes Benz Stadium. But it

891
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: does seem like that would be something that excites Adam

892
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: Silver is having NBA run leagues in America, in Europe,

893
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: in Africa, in Asia. Then we get them all together

894
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: to play in an NBA sponsored World Cup. Come on,

895
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: the guy loves international basketball in international tournaments. I think

896
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 2: this is the long term goal.

897
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he loves He loves the beautiful game too.

898
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: He loves soccer, loves football. Yep, We're like five years

899
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 3: away from Silver proposing basketball players use their feet like

900
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: let we throw it on the ground and kicking around boys.

901
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: I'm joking, but yeah, that's a great point about the

902
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: I like that. Maybe put the potential of the ABA

903
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: and NBA if that does start to happen over there.

904
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: We have the.

905
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 3: EuroLeague, then we have an NBA European League, and could

906
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: they form at one point or at least work together,

907
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: and that's sort of what this article is about.

908
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they will be I assume they will

909
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: be separate. That being said, they will play in some

910
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: sort of championship game. Whoever wins the EuroLeague. It's probably

911
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: going to be Olympia Coast or Pain Cost. It's got

912
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: to be a Greek team.

913
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: But know, if European fans want this, like you know,

914
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: we're over here and we're like this sounds cool. Yeah,

915
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: but like that's not a given that they want this

916
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: at all.

917
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like there's thirteen teams there that are

918
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: permanently in there, and there's just more fans to have that.

919
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: There's just these focused you know, whether they're local or

920
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: country team type of teams. There's more to be.

921
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 3: The NBA has said, like basically on record, like eight

922
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: times now, like there's money being left on the table here.

923
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: You guys could be doing a better job. And like

924
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 3: this is all working with FOBA as well, right to

925
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: like to really try and turn into FIFA. I mean

926
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: that's also what we're getting out here, like this big

927
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 3: global obviously just basketball brand.

928
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, the NBA has that relationship with FOBA, there's no doubt.

929
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: And when I mentioned that German team going into the

930
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: Foeba's Basketball Champions League, and that just seems like it's.

931
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: Like laying the roundwork to eventually be one of the

932
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: first teams into this NBA European League, right, yeah, Yeah,

933
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: it feels like.

934
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the early turned down the NBA's offer to

935
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: partner with them last year to run a basketball league.

936
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: But now they're at the table with Tony Parker running things.

937
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: And we've got a game here tonight, as you mentioned

938
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: from Miami's here Messi's playing. Anybody going no, no, no, Yeah,

939
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: there's an NBA game. That's the Yeah, you guys want

940
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: to go? Yeah?

941
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: I think good seats still available from what I can tell, though,

942
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: this is a messy game, so maybe.

943
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: A little bit, right, Yeah, there was only twenty thousand

944
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: plus in the first game on Monday or Tuesday, the

945
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: other oh Club World Cup game, But they are the

946
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: lowest of attendance numbers in the history of the Mercedes

947
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: Benz Stadium compared to the United.

948
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: I literally just saw a headline. I think it was

949
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: from the Athletic. It was probably in the Pulse newsletter,

950
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: which I think we just made an appearance in this

951
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: morning for yesterday show. But about this idea is like,

952
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 3: is there too much soccer?

953
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: We have too many games?

954
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: It really is too many cup games now. But I

955
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: don't know. You tell I'm not a soccer fans, so

956
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: I don't really know.

957
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: They are saying the same thing about us. Do Americans

958
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: want all this soccer? They don't, But guess what they're still.

959
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: Well, let's move on to our next head I got

960
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 3: a couple more here for you from the Arizona Republic.

961
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: The headline his sons have no leverage, may have the

962
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: lower price to trade Kevin Durant TK. Help's start with

963
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 3: you on KD. We've talked a lot about the hypothetical

964
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: Durant trades, but this is the latest on the Suns

965
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: maybe having to like, oh, we gotta take way less

966
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: to maybe get this done.

967
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: What do you think?

968
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the fact that everybody who cares about

969
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: basketball seriously has known Kevin Durant is going to be

970
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: traded for four straight months is coming back to bite

971
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: the Suns. They tried to trade him at the deadline,

972
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: didn't go well, and from that moment, everybody's like, he's

973
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: gonna get traded into the offseason, so all the other

974
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: teams in the NBA are being smart. Somebody's gonna give

975
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: you a good deal, Like they're not gonna have to

976
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: give up everything for Kevin Durant, like he wants to

977
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: go to the Spurs, So why would they offer the

978
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: second pick, especially if nobody's going to be able to

979
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: beat that. It's not like the MAVs are going to

980
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: offer up the first pick. Maybe you can get number fourteen,

981
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 2: maybe you can get one of our prospects, but we're

982
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: basically just matching salary and tossing you a bone or

983
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: something like that. Like Minnesota, there's a deal to be done,

984
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: then if Phoenix wants to do it, and if they're

985
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: okay with Kevin Durant not wanting to be there, it

986
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: just seems more realistic to me now that a Kawhi

987
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: like situation would happen where the price gets so low

988
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: that one team is like, all right, what's the risk

989
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: here of tossing Demarto Rosen and Yaka Perl in a

990
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: trade for only one year and it results in a championship.

991
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: I think it makes it more realistic that a team

992
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: can try that path if they don't have to give

993
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 2: up everything that they are able to trade.

994
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: We talked about it at the time at the trade

995
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: deadline when the Durant rumors happen, and we said, I remember,

996
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 3: we said, you got to be careful with stuff like

997
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 3: this once that starts getting leaked, right that you're entertaining

998
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: deals to move a guy like Kevin Durant, because if

999
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: it doesn't work, obviously, then you have the ramifications of

1000
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: like maybe an upset superstar and it needn't seem to

1001
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: be all that upset. Really, I guess to play the

1002
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 3: rest of the season. But like now, it's like everybody

1003
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: knows you're in the spot. Like TK just said, like okay,

1004
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: well we know you're trading them, so we're not offering

1005
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: you anything where maybe it's like a little more secret

1006
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 3: or whatever back channel it's like, oh we can get

1007
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant. Maybe in that scenario you're more likely to

1008
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 3: throw a little bit more in Now. Look, he's thirty

1009
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: seven years old. There's all that part too. Can you

1010
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: stay healthy, how he's going to age? He wants the extension?

1011
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: Do we want to pay him fifty plus million when

1012
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: he's thirty eight thirty nine? There is that too, But

1013
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: what's your take on this headline and the no leverage.

1014
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: It sure feels like the Phoenix Suns have this reputation

1015
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: of having a poorly run organization, and I think that

1016
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: plays a part in it as well. Here it's been

1017
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: extremely open that Kevin Durant wants to be traded, which

1018
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: is unfortunate for them. That being said, it just takes

1019
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: one to make some sort of offer for Kevin Durant

1020
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: to bump up the trade value. And I'm looking at

1021
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: San Antonio, Minnesota, and Miami, and so it's if Randall

1022
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: is offered for Minnesota, I mean that would be the

1023
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: biggest name there, probably Devin Vessel in San Antonio and

1024
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: probably khalil Ware in Miami. So if you don't offer Randall,

1025
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: then it's a va cl or clil Ware. If you

1026
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: don't offer Vassel, you're getting Klilware, and that's what you get.

1027
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it comes down to draft picks well,

1028
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: but as far as the talent goes, yeah, this is

1029
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: a different time than two years ago when they got him,

1030
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: or four years ago in Brooklyn got him. It's very

1031
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: different and it's a very different organization that's making the deal.

1032
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 3: And you said it comes down to draft picks as well.

1033
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: That's another part of this, right, I mean, the draft's

1034
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: next Wednesday, and like in theory, they would want I

1035
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: assume at least one draft pick if they can get

1036
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 3: it in the twenty five NBA Draft. So it's like

1037
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 3: you want to have that pick before you want to

1038
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 3: make that selection with it. So maybe like they're sort

1039
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: of under the gun here too, like to maybe trade

1040
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: them before that. You predicted Tray that it would happen

1041
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: on draft night, and of course that could still be

1042
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: the case. But yeah, it's not going to be the

1043
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 3: sexiest deal. It sounds like nope, and it just goes

1044
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: lower and lower having no leverage. So again, we just

1045
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: wait on this. We've talked about this a lot.

1046
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: Yes, yes we have, but at least they can trade him.

1047
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: Bradley Beal literally can't be traded him. He's buying more

1048
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: property in Phoenix. He loves it there. I have a

1049
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: lot of leverage anywhere, huh. The Suns a lot of

1050
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: money in the pockets, not a lot of leverage in

1051
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: the front office.

1052
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a trade by Houston last year just to

1053
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: geek a fight a little bit three team deal to

1054
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: be able to swap for Phoenix's pick this year, so

1055
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: they have the number ten pick because of just this

1056
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: smart move by Raphael Stone, basically banking on the Sun

1057
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: stinking it worked out.

1058
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: And you brought up Minnesota again. All reports that he

1059
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: doesn't want to go there. Durant does not want to

1060
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: go play in Minnesota, and I would not want to

1061
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: trade for an unhappy kivin Duran's I don't care what

1062
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: Randall and so what. Just hope you can win him

1063
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: over and he bonds with Aunt and.

1064
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 2: I think more so, hope that you can get close

1065
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 2: to a championship, like I don't. He probably won't stay,

1066
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: but it was worth it for the Raptors, wasn't it. Well,

1067
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 2: I didn't want to go to Toronto a yet less

1068
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: yeah when he could.

1069
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's just this era of the of the

1070
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: Timberwolves where they've gone to two straight conference finals and

1071
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: they still think they can get better. I suppose, you.

1072
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 3: Know, Like I mean, that's the similarity to the Raptors.

1073
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: Raptors were damn good team and then traded for Kawhi

1074
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: and obviously a superstar that they needed the title.

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00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: I would do it for Randall because his contract, he

1076
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: could either be a free agent this summer, or he

1077
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: can opt into his player option and be a free

1078
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: agent next summer. So it's like you're not really missing

1079
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: out on anything. You're getting one year of power forward

1080
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: Randall or one year of power forward Kevin Durant. I

1081
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it for Rudy gober right, because that doesn't

1082
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: make sense to me. He's signed for longer. He's a

1083
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: more like backbone piece of their team, I think. But

1084
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: if the price is Randal and I mean de Vincenzo

1085
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: would hurt to lose, but you got to trade something

1086
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 2: a little bit valuable, So I would do it for

1087
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: if the price is right.

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00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: Final headline, TK, We're going to you on this one

1089
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 3: The Chicago Sun Times. Did you ever have a Yeah?

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00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 3: I preferred the Times to the Tribute. It's like a

1091
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: book read. Oh it's yeah, up and down? Okay? Well,

1092
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: Chicago Sun Times had the headline yesterday Bulls locking down

1093
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 3: front office and coach Billy Donovan with extensions? Is this news?

1094
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: The Times had the scoop with my guy Drew Stevens

1095
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: had the information first. This is not even the slightest

1096
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: bit surprising news. This apparently has been done for months

1097
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: and they just didn't tell anybody because the Bulls front

1098
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: office and their coach, they're doing their jobs. They sell

1099
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: out the arena every night, biggest arena in the NBA,

1100
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: first in home attendance once again, year after year after year.

1101
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 2: Number two. They don't ever spend twenty fifth in payroll.

1102
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 2: This season, the Bulls were sure, you're saying, aren't they

1103
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 2: the third biggest market in the NBA. Yeah they are,

1104
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 2: but still they don't cost very much and most importantly,

1105
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: they feel the competitive team competitive meaning not the worst

1106
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: team in the league. Someday the job responsibility will be

1107
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 2: to win, but that's not what it is right now.

1108
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: Right now, it's keep costs low and don't be an

1109
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 2: embarrassment because there was like two years where the Bulls

1110
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: were an embarrassment and they didn't like that. But basically,

1111
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 2: Mark Eversley are tourist, Karnischevis and Billy Donovan are getting

1112
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: a complete second chance at a build here they had

1113
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: five years and after the Vucevich trade, I think they're

1114
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 2: like four games under five hundred.

1115
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1116
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 2: They traded a bunch of stuff back away and they've

1117
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: traded for it all back. I have left for it

1118
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: one playoff win in five seasons two and three in

1119
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: the play in the opportunity to overpay Josh Giddy and

1120
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: Matas Buzzellis is here, which is exciting.

1121
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: That's what people are like. It's wild that these guys

1122
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 3: are being rewarded for finishing below five hundred and four

1123
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: of the five seasons when it seemed to be, you know,

1124
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 3: clearly stated public goal is to obviously be competitive and

1125
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: compete and all that, which I guess they think they are.

1126
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: That's what they think by being in play in games

1127
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 3: where most people don't consider that really being competitive and competing.

1128
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're getting these extensions and they love to

1129
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: do it in secrecy for the most part. I don't

1130
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 3: thank god. What's with that too?

1131
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going into the stability mode of a franchise.

1132
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna have the same guys keep doing it even

1133
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: though it ain't working all that well. Even though they

1134
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 1: are leading the league in attendance, it sure doesn't feel

1135
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: like the people who buy them or the corporations that

1136
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: buy them are there. It feels quiet. I don't know

1137
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: how they're literally leading the league in ticket sold, So yes,

1138
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: it feels like, yeah, we're here in purgatory. I mean

1139
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: it feels like, yeah, we sell seats, Yeah we're a

1140
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: playing team. That's about it.

1141
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 2: I mean there doesn't feel like it's better than what

1142
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 2: they tanked. Is what the Bulls thinking is. They used

1143
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: to tout having a seven year long playoff streak. That

1144
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: was like an accomplishment for the Bulls. We went to

1145
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 2: the playoffs every year for seven straight years, and then

1146
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: they had a few down years where they kind of tanked,

1147
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: kind of didn't. They never committed to it the whole way,

1148
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: which is why they never really got a high draft pick.

1149
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: Their best was Patrick Williams at number four in the

1150
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 2: twenty twenty draft. Twenty twenty draft has been a disaster

1151
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: for a lot of teams at the top. Uh so

1152
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: bad stuff. But I'll say the Laker sale gave me

1153
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: a little bit of hope. A family business selling the

1154
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: team for ten billion dollars, that's what it is. In Chicago.

1155
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: Jerry Reinsdorf bought a controlling stake in the Bulls in

1156
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five for nine point two million dollars. Even now,

1157
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: the Bulls are a massive brand. They sell out every

1158
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: single game. They're probably one of the three most famous

1159
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: teams in the NBA. We've seen the Celtics sell from

1160
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: their family ownership. We've seen the Lakers self from their

1161
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 2: family ownership. Jerry Reinsdorf just told off a piece of

1162
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: the Chicago White Sox, who he also owns to Matt

1163
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 2: Eshbie's brother of all people. So I know Michael Reinsdorf

1164
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: is there like waiting to take over as the next

1165
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: generation of Bulls owner. But if the Celtics sold for

1166
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: six billion and the Lakers sold for ten billion, what

1167
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: are the Bulls worth?

1168
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: Right? These numbers? Get that, You're like, it'd be almost

1169
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 3: malpracticed to not consider. Yes, get And that's the only thing.

1170
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: That will change for the Bulls is they need a

1171
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: change in ownership because right now it's just don't be

1172
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 2: an embarrassment and keep selling out the building and keep

1173
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: payroll though, and they do that every single year, which

1174
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: is why they bring these guys back.

1175
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, there you go a Bulls fan talking about

1176
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 3: the front office getting those extensions along with Billy Donovan,

1177
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: which is a pretty funny part. This guy.

1178
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: It's not his fault, I'll say that Billy's fault.

1179
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the front office for continuing they are trying

1180
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: to emulate a team with good players. Good players, as

1181
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: Karnishevas says, we just want we just need nine good players.

1182
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: We don't necessarily need a super duper star those guys.

1183
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 3: Then he should be fired immediately.

1184
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, I mean he made the vich trade,

1185
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: which you know, to two juicy draft picks that turned

1186
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: out to be Franz Wagner. You know, yes, that's the problem.

1187
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean that was an old As we sat there

1188
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: and we talked about it, he was peaking.

1189
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 3: That was it's like, yeah, you need nine good guys

1190
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 3: to get into the play in Yeah, in the East, yes,

1191
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: you might need a franchise guy, a superstar either by

1192
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: trade either by there, through the draft whatever to maybe

1193
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 3: go and win some playoff series and actually go go higher.

1194
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, but Jannis recently watched a live stream that

1195
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: Mantes Bizzellis and Io Dissumu did together. He said it

1196
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 2: was lit.

1197
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: So come on down, buddy.

1198
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: Ya still has a few more years before he's passed

1199
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: his prime, and that's when.

1200
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 3: Then he's coming to the b Yeah, you've been calling

1201
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 3: it for a while.

1202
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 2: When he's like thirty five, I've been finally starting to

1203
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: show signs of age. I'd love to see that thirty

1204
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 2: four stago once again, Bill Wennington gifting him the jersey.

1205
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: Oh wow, beautiful. That'd be fun. All right, that's is

1206
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: this news. Some great headlines here during one of the

1207
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 3: off days of the NBA Finals, but Game six on tonight.

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00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: We're of course back here tomorrow morning to talk about it.

1209
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: Are we either crowning an NBA champion in okay see

1210
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: or are we dropping the Zazah clip on you and

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00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: getting hype for a Game seven on the weekend. Can't

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00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: wait to find out, but join us at ten am

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Speaker 3: Fun show today, till next time. Clipper bros.

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Speaker 2: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

1217
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Speaker 2: love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, and remember two best words in sports.

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00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: Game seven. Let's helpe we get it. Let's hope we

1220
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Speaker 1: get one.

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Speaker 3: Praise to day people,