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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. Quest Shouler and Matt Williamson with you here

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Speaker 2: on a jam pack Thursday, where we've got more We've

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Speaker 2: got more interview news, Matt. Yeah, we've got I think

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Speaker 2: one of the first big head coaching dominoes to fall,

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Speaker 2: as we've got reports about John Harbaugh's future. We have

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Speaker 2: got to get into more on the Steelers head coaching opening,

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Speaker 2: the pros and the cons of that from an outsider perspective.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk a little mock draft news in the

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Speaker 2: second hour today.

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Speaker 3: We're also gonna catch up with our buddy Arthur Motes.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a former host here on this network who spent

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Speaker 2: of course four years playing for Mike Tomlin. Just to

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Speaker 2: get his thoughts on the end of the Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 2: era and what it like to, you know, have that

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Speaker 2: guy as your head coach for four years. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: he'll we'll get we'll get.

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Speaker 3: It right from We'll get it right from the source.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, he's always always fun to talk to, always

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Speaker 2: brings the energy. So we have got a jam packed

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Speaker 2: show for you today, but we start Matt with kind

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Speaker 2: of the news of the day. I do want to

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Speaker 2: get into John Harbaugh and his future momentarily, but first,

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Speaker 2: since we were last on air yesterday, you can add

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Speaker 2: two more names to UH Steelers head coaching candidates that

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Speaker 2: the team has reached out to and requested UH interviews,

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Speaker 2: with Jeff Haffley, Packers defensive coordinator, being one of them

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Speaker 2: the other. And I'm gonna do my best to pronounce

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Speaker 2: his name right. I went on the Carolina Panthers website

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Speaker 2: and actually look at their media guide, the pronunciation guide,

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Speaker 2: so I think I got it right. It's a Jaro Ivero,

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Speaker 2: which is a pretty cool name.

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Speaker 4: It ryme.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: It's one that the would totally mess up all the time,

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Speaker 2: and it's one that I'm sure Rob King would have

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Speaker 3: But you can add the Packers defense.

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Speaker 4: I've always pronounced ever Okay, I've avoided the first name

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Speaker 4: like it's my job, but I've always heard of pronounced.

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Speaker 4: But I would trust the Panthers website over me.

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Speaker 3: Ivery.

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Speaker 2: Oh is kind of how they have it laid out

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Speaker 2: on their pronunciation guide. Okay, regardless what the Panthers defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 2: the Packers defensive coordinator. That's now seven names that we

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Speaker 2: know Matt, six of them being defensive defense.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Nathan Shellhass, who would be a great inser head coach.

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Speaker 4: Too, an extra a in there to make it a.

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Speaker 2: Is the only one on the offensive side of football

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Speaker 4: Now shell House could possibly come with Shula.

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Speaker 3: That might start to be become my dream scenarios.

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Speaker 4: Too, because then you get two of them and.

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Speaker 3: They speak the same language, and they come from the

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Speaker 4: The right team they're coming from and the McVay world,

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Speaker 4: that's kind of exciting to me.

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Speaker 3: They're thirty nine and forty two years old.

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Speaker 4: So that that's enticing. I'm a little concerned because I

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Speaker 4: offensive this year. I mean just across the league, all

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Speaker 4: the people interview and it's not like this is a

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Speaker 4: Steelers Johnson. Yeah, so those guys kind of got plucked

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Speaker 4: the year ago. Maybe it's the next year will be

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Speaker 4: more offensive, who knows. But it does worry me a

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Speaker 4: little because I think a better approach in today's NFL

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Speaker 4: is to have an offensive guy. But the best approach

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Speaker 4: is just to get the best coach.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And as we laid out yesterday, eight teams left. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: four have offensive minded head coaches, four have defensive mind coaches.

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Speaker 4: Exactly you're and for people don't quite say what what

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Speaker 4: the heck's of difference. Offensive play callers are more important

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Speaker 3: I think they can affect more schematically.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So you get in the dilemma of where like

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Speaker 4: and he becomes your head coach. Okay, then they go

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Speaker 4: two in a row. You got great offensive coordinators. Jacksonville

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Speaker 4: So you go back to the well and you miss.

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Speaker 4: It's basically what they did. And that's the way you

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Speaker 4: have to live, you know, because if you hit, you

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Speaker 4: get two years out of these young offensive mines, and

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Speaker 4: they will inevitably be stolen for sure. And then you're

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Speaker 4: not gonna hit three in a row. You'll be lucky

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Speaker 4: did two out of three. You know. I that doesn't

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Speaker 4: be the guy every The next guy stinks.

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Speaker 2: But you've got to You've almost have to pick your

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Speaker 2: poison in this way, right whereas you can't not everybody.

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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of the same people that.

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Speaker 2: On one hand are screaming and yelling about where was

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin's coaching tree? How come you were never getting

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinators that were getting plucked for head coaching jobs,

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Speaker 2: you know, And that's valid. But then on the other hand,

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Speaker 2: they'll tell you that they don't want to hire someone

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Speaker 2: if we hire this guy, he's going to be gone

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Speaker 3: So which is it? Which do you want? Because because

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I I Am always going to lean on

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Speaker 5: the side of it's It's like I've told you, it's

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Speaker 5: when you're a when you're a football program or a

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Speaker 5: basketball program, like Pitt or WVU and you hire Jeff Caple.

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Speaker 2: Oh what if he leaves in four or five years

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Speaker 2: and goes to replace Mike Krzyzewski at Duke?

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Speaker 4: Could you really could.

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Speaker 2: Be to replace Mike Krzyzewski at Duke if that ended

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Speaker 2: contending for national championships for four or five years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I mean that, Like that Bucks example, they

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Speaker 4: they went to the playoffs and made noise. Times were good.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, yes, If Nathan Shieldhouse is here for

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Speaker 2: two or three years and then becomes an offensive head

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Speaker 4: It's a successful mission, and your quarterback's doing something right exactly,

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Speaker 4: you know, right. Yeah, again, those are good problems to have.

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Speaker 2: I think it's hard to hit over champagne problems you've

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But like the Eagles are in that dilemma right

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Speaker 4: you know, and you know, but there's but they also

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Speaker 3: Three super Bowls in the last seven or eight years.

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Speaker 4: Right, So do they regret hiring Kellen Moore and winning

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Speaker 3: No, no, right, not one bit.

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Speaker 4: So now they're struggling to find the next one. So

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Speaker 4: be it. So again, I would love to have shanahanah

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Speaker 4: with those things, and it's easier to find defensive guys.

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Speaker 4: But I would also rather have a better leader of men,

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Speaker 4: smarter guy, better on game day, better communicator, better coach, coach,

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Speaker 4: you know. As for Everro or e Vero or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Young he's in his second year with one of the

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Speaker 4: like thirtieth thirty. First they had nothing, they added some

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Speaker 4: stuff and it got better. His resume won't blow you away,

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Speaker 4: but people have talked about him as a future head

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Speaker 4: coach now for like three or four years. Like this

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Speaker 4: dude super bright blows you away in the room. Halfway.

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Speaker 4: I don't know as much about but he was a

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Speaker 4: head coach at BC two years ago, became the head

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Speaker 4: that one worries me a little because he doesn't have

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Speaker 4: went to BC. Get exactly his timeline. I think he

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Speaker 4: Pitt because I remember meeting him in one of our

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Speaker 4: passing camps. Yeah that was million years ago. But I

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Speaker 2: Was a defensive assistant coach at Pitt two thousand and

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Speaker 4: Okay, I knew that too. But was he a GA

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Speaker 4: Ohio State like two thousand and one. I don't see that, Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I must have met him somehow.

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Speaker 3: Through it looks like he was at Albany before before.

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Speaker 4: Gotcha, gotcha? But what worries me is Packers defense fell

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Speaker 4: that all him is that? I don't know that he's

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Speaker 4: considered a super schemer, but he is considered a really bright,

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Speaker 2: Certainly one that we need to keep a an eye on. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was the head coach of Boston College for four years.

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Speaker 4: I think he did pretty well.

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Speaker 2: And for theirs, I mean six and five, six and six,

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Speaker 4: That's that's not bad.

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Speaker 3: That's not bad. That's a really tough job.

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Speaker 2: And then yeah, and then the tough place to recruit too,

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Speaker 2: absolutely is. And then from there, you know, went and

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Speaker 2: has been the Packers defensive coordinator the last two seasons.

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Speaker 2: He was at Ohio State twenty nineteen as defensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: and defensive backs coach.

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Speaker 3: Spent some time with the.

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Speaker 2: Niners, the Browns, the Bucks, Rutgers pit So he does

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Speaker 2: have a vast wealth of experience. It kind of a

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Speaker 2: of NFL franchises to so again, though, all these guys

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Speaker 2: right in that same kind of age pocket of mid

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Speaker 4: I joked heavily yesterday, I'm like, how do we know

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Speaker 4: the Sheelers have a type, Well, it looks like they

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Speaker 4: have a type. I mean, young defensive minded guys or

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Speaker 4: young up and coming potential two decade you know keepers, Yes,

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Speaker 4: you know, but I did find it funny. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: just because in nineteen sixty whatever, they hired nol and

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Speaker 4: you know, Cower and Tomlin. I mean, these were not

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Speaker 4: recent hires. They may not have a type.

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Speaker 2: It was a good it was a good fair question

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Speaker 2: by Mike Persuda. Yeah, but it also is kind of

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Speaker 2: funny when a dance ski was like, I mean that

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Speaker 4: You know, it's one hired.

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Speaker 2: It's not like they're going out on the dance floor

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Speaker 4: But it does seem unlikely, at least today Thursday, that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Fandel. One of these one of these big sports books.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know that you can bet on anything.

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Speaker 2: And bet on anything nowadays updated odds to be the

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Speaker 2: this isn't the gospel, but it's about as educated of

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Speaker 3: Chris Shula number one.

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Speaker 4: That's what I heard. That's the only part I knew.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian Flores number two, okay, and then there's a

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Speaker 2: Seems a little early for him. Mike McDaniel, Kevin Stefanski,

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Speaker 2: There was somebody who I don't know if they tweeted

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Speaker 3: Just and go for a walk and touch some grass.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of trouble, A little bit of trouble.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't been an NFL coach in five or six years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just stop. I just can't see that at all.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm good, I'm good on that.

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Speaker 4: You can't steal a coordinator and make him a coordinate. Correct?

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Speaker 3: For what would be a lateral. A lateral, that's the word.

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Speaker 2: I still think that might be my dream scenario as

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Speaker 4: I think this is like absolutely perfect.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and is a back to eight nine

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Speaker 2: It's a historic, you know, cornerstone NFL franchise. I think

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Speaker 4: I think it's perfect.

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Speaker 4: I haven't interviewed for many jobs in my life, but

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Speaker 2: Worked got pretty well for Andy Whdell, done pretty well

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Speaker 2: My sister's about to graduate college here in a few months,

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Speaker 2: You're interviewing for your first job at Target exactly or

437
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Speaker 2: John Eagle. You should go in and at least have

438
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Speaker 2: I want to ask these two or three questions, because

439
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Speaker 2: it just.

440
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Speaker 4: I told my daughter she's a server at a local restaurant.

441
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Speaker 4: I'm like, go in there and kind of interview.

442
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Speaker 3: That, ask what does my average workday look like?

443
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Speaker 4: Ye?

444
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do holidays look like? You know?

445
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Speaker 2: What type of development do you have here that I

446
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Speaker 2: could potentially climb up a ladder?

447
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like those are all.

448
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Speaker 2: The questions I told my sister to ask, Like, if

449
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Speaker 2: I start with your company here when I'm twenty two

450
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Speaker 2: years old, what does five years look like for me?

451
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Speaker 1: You know?

452
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Speaker 3: Where can you help me get to all these different.

453
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Speaker 4: Days better than options?

454
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Speaker 3: Exactly?

455
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Speaker 2: What's the work life balance look like? All those things?

456
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? So let's get into that other jobs

457
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Speaker 2: that are still still available, where the Steelers kind of

458
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Speaker 2: rank in that pecking order? And then what are the

459
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Speaker 2: pros of taking the Steelers head coaching job? What are

460
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Speaker 2: some of the cons and some of the concerns. Let's

461
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Speaker 2: do those conversations as we roll along here for the

462
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Speaker 2: rest of the first hour. We'll talk to Arthur Motes

463
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Speaker 2: in our number two. We'll talk some NFL draft in

464
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Speaker 2: our number two. A jam packed Thursday here, just getting

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Speaker 2: started on the drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the

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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network, your tuned.

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Speaker 1: About drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Nine teams entered eight remain in terms of head coaching

470
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Speaker 2: vacancies for this offseason, can scratch the Giants off the list,

471
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Speaker 2: you can scratch Harbaugh off the list of candidates. And

472
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Speaker 2: then there were eight ranking those eight teams, Matt, Yeah,

473
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Speaker 2: as you can imagine, and we was just pulled.

474
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Speaker 4: The Steelers out of it and talk about them separately,

475
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Speaker 4: or we can put them right in there.

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Speaker 2: All I was gonna do was if if you look now,

477
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure this surprise is nobody, but if you

478
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Speaker 2: go to NFL dot com, ESPN, CBS, wherever, you'll find

479
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Speaker 2: the article ranking the open NFL jobs, and all of

480
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Speaker 2: them have either the Ravens or the Steelers one and two.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and that makes sun sense.

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Speaker 2: The argument for Baltimore is organizational stability, and you get

483
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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, who's still twenty nine years old. For the Steelers,

484
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Speaker 2: it's organizational stability, organizational stability, organizational stability, you know, iconic franchise,

485
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Speaker 2: family ownership, still a lot of talent on that roster.

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Speaker 4: And then their first place team are the only team

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Speaker 4: that's won their division.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right, exactly right.

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Speaker 2: But but would you if we do take the Steelers

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Speaker 2: out of the equation, what you would concur Baltimore is

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Speaker 2: number one?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, give me secondaries because I used to have a

493
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Speaker 4: list and I know it basically, but I had like

494
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Speaker 4: five things in order. If I were a head coach,

495
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Speaker 4: what would I look from the open team? Love it

496
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Speaker 4: and basically pretty close to it and could tweak it.

497
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Speaker 4: But it's been a couple of years as I've had

498
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Speaker 4: this conversation. Number one is owner ships, slash stability, all

499
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Speaker 4: those type of things. You know, the stuff is never

500
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Speaker 4: going away, like the Jets would be like last you

501
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Speaker 4: know what I mean, like winning.

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Speaker 3: Brown Bank way down the list, way down the.

503
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Speaker 4: List, you know. But ownership I can trust and winning

504
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Speaker 4: tradition and environment I'm walking into.

505
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Speaker 3: They're going to give me everything I need to win.

506
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Speaker 4: Yes, and that doesn't even necessarily have to be the

507
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Speaker 4: highest paid guy, but I mean salary and stuff isn't

508
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Speaker 4: even on my list, but that does matter. And people

509
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Speaker 4: don't think about this like it's not number two on

510
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Speaker 4: my list. But like the Packers don't pay their assistant

511
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Speaker 4: coaches very well. I know this because Halfway took a

512
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Speaker 4: pay cut to go from BC to UH become the DC.

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Speaker 3: For that is that part of their non ownership model.

514
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Speaker 4: I don't know that. I don't know what specifically their

515
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Speaker 4: reasoning is behind it, but it makes it harder to

516
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Speaker 4: build your staff too, Like it'll take the cowboy job,

517
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Speaker 4: it has an extra.

518
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Speaker 3: Whatever you want, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Anyways, my parameters would go something like this. It'd be

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Speaker 4: like ownership slash stability, stability, organization history, you know, stuff

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Speaker 4: that's hard to like. Put your finger on number two's quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I think you and I are in lockstep on no doubt.

523
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Speaker 4: Either who's the guy I'm inheriting now or my the

524
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Speaker 4: Raiders that's Mendoza. You know he's not there yet.

525
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Speaker 3: The Titans. I got Cam War heading into his sophomore

526
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Speaker 3: year exactly.

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Speaker 4: Next then would be my ability to get better draft

528
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Speaker 4: picks and salary cap or and you know who the

529
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Speaker 4: contracts that are just dead weights.

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Speaker 3: Here to a situation in Miami that's awful.

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Speaker 4: Right, or like Peyton goes to Denver and was stuck

532
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Speaker 4: with Russell Wilson contract. I mean it's or de Shaun Watson,

533
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Speaker 4: you know, I mean, but I mean where am I

534
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Speaker 4: picking in the draft? What kind of draft capital do

535
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Speaker 4: I have? Overall? What's my salary cap look like? So

536
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Speaker 4: my ability my resources to go get my guys. And

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Speaker 4: then after that I started looking at things like like division,

538
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Speaker 4: you know, like do I really want to play against

539
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Speaker 4: Mahomes and Herbert every year? Or you know, like May

540
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Speaker 4: and Allen all of a sudden, they're not going away

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Speaker 4: anytime soon.

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Speaker 3: A tough one for Miami.

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Speaker 4: But there's not many good landing spots for that either.

544
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Speaker 4: It's not like this is easy.

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Speaker 3: Most of the best landing spots are not moving on

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Speaker 3: from their head coach.

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Speaker 4: The Bill's job isn't open. Yeah, those are like my

548
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Speaker 4: big bullet points.

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Speaker 2: There's a reason why the Raven's job wasn't open for

550
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Speaker 2: eighteen years. There's a reason why the Steelers job wasn't

551
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Speaker 2: open for nineteen years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a reason why the Packers' job is not

554
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Speaker 2: open very often. And you know some of these some

555
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Speaker 2: of these places.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And I got asked today and my different podcasts

557
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Speaker 4: about well, boy, why do so many head coaches fail?

558
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Speaker 4: I'm like, well, a lot of them are getting hired

559
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Speaker 4: by the worst teams in the league. For one thing.

560
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot of reasons. The other thing

561
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 4: is if you win four out of ten games, people

562
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Speaker 4: think that's failing too, you know, I mean the bar

563
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 4: is really high. But usually you're going to the worst

564
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Speaker 4: organizations in the league with the worst ownership and the

565
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Speaker 4: worst quarterback situation. That's why you got fired. And even

566
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Speaker 4: if they hire Belichick or Lombardi, they might get fired

567
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: in two years anyway, you know, like because you're in

568
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Speaker 4: a bad situation. I would put the Ravens one because

569
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Speaker 4: of the quarterback. I mean, we could fight about, if

570
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Speaker 4: we're as impartial as as could be, which organization is better.

571
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Speaker 4: I know on the field they've looked similar, but from

572
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Speaker 4: what I understand, I'm way closer to this organization, they

573
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 4: aren't as similar as you think inside the walls. I mean,

574
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Speaker 4: like Baltimore did something unusual a couple of years ago

575
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Speaker 4: and pulled two or three of these Twitter analytics nerds

576
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Speaker 4: off in contact them off Twitter, and so we want

577
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Speaker 4: to hire you, Like, I can't imagine the Steelers would

578
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Speaker 4: ever do that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It takes Williamson got though and let him ride a

580
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Speaker 2: Stattels dot com every way.

581
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Speaker 4: But I do think they do view things differently, you know,

582
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Speaker 4: like over these last twenty years, no one's been better

583
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Speaker 4: in the league at getting comp pics, which is kind

584
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Speaker 4: of an analytical way of looking of things too. Everyone

585
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Speaker 4: thinks about the Ravens Steelers are tough and they fight

586
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 4: on the field. They do, but they're they don't always

587
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Speaker 4: view things exactly the same. So, but that being said,

588
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Speaker 4: I think both organizations are definitely if we pulled if

589
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 4: we if we grabbed Green Bay or all the gms

590
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 4: and head coaches in the world and say tier all

591
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Speaker 4: the all the organizations.

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Speaker 3: For that tier one, Tier two, righter three, tier four.

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Speaker 4: I think they're both in Tier one, agreed, you know

594
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: what I mean. So that's a tie at worst in

595
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 4: terms of history, stability, ownership, all those things. But one

596
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 4: team as a quarterback, the other one does' numb a

597
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 4: real clear path to the other one, you know, to

598
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 4: their next quarterback. To me, that makes the Ravens the

599
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: most attractive job available, I think, and a rare one.

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Speaker 3: I think that's yeah.

601
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Speaker 2: Those How often has there been an opening job where

602
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: you can have a twenty nine year old two time MVP.

603
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Speaker 4: Quarterback exactly That in itself, even if he was on

604
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Speaker 4: the Cardinals or the Jets or you know whatever, that

605
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Speaker 4: in itself makes it pretty attractive.

606
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Speaker 3: I mean, it would be like usually it'd be like Buffalo.

607
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: Is trying to replace mcand at some point if Andy

608
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: Reid retires here in the next year or two.

609
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's very since he would.

610
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: Open most of the time.

611
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: I feel like when it's it's just older coaches retiring,

612
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: is the case when you when you get a quarterback still, Yeah,

613
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin when he replaced you know, when he replaced

614
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Speaker 2: Bill Cower.

615
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Speaker 4: Go Walsh it enough and he gives it the Seaffert

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Speaker 4: you know, Okay, wantana and right? Thanks? Yeah, So I

617
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 4: think those two stand alone though, as most attractive jobs.

618
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 4: But if you're being impartial, when you take the Steelers job,

619
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Speaker 4: you got to be like, well, what's your guys thoughts

620
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 4: on a new quarterback? Here's my thoughts on a new quarterback.

621
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Speaker 4: You know, I realize, hopefully I'm here long enough that

622
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: Cam and TJ aren't still around, because they're not gonna

623
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 4: I'm hoping to outlast them. You know, what do we

624
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: think of this next generation of the roster? That would

625
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 4: worry me from a Raven's perspective is like, I don't

626
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Speaker 4: see as many Frasiers and Fultonu's and porters, you know,

627
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: outside of the quarter they've draft as well as people

628
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 4: think they have. Not I mean, so their young core

629
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: isn't as great as people think either. That would definitely

630
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 4: be a bullepoint for mine too. It's quarterback and young core,

631
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 4: you know, like by Penny soul nice. You know, I

632
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: don't worry about tackle for a long time.

633
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Speaker 3: You know, it makes a lot of sense.

634
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 4: So the other ones.

635
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Speaker 2: Nfl dot Com has the Browns ranked as third their last.

636
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: For me, that's crazy to me. And the reasoning is

637
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: they had a really good rookie class. They have a

638
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: ton of draft capital.

639
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 4: That's the only good thing.

640
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Speaker 2: And you've all you're almost at the end of the

641
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: Watson contract. Well but you are in yes, still in

642
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: quarterback purgatory.

643
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 4: Still in purgatory. And yes, they have a really good

644
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: rookie class. And one of these days we're going to

645
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Speaker 4: go over the rookie ranks. Maybe out Yeah, yeah, Aaron

646
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 4: Shots put it out and it's and it's very good.

647
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 4: And the Browns are not shockingly at the top of

648
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: the league for best rookie class.

649
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Speaker 3: And they played a ton of minutes.

650
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Speaker 4: And then they also played the most snaps. Knowing that

651
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: they stink, you know, they're not trying to win right now,

652
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 4: let's evaluate. But the problem is their rookies are running

653
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: backs and linebackers and tight they're not tackles and quarterbacks

654
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Speaker 4: and edge rushers. It's like they're the easy positions to find.

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Speaker 2: I remember, like a week or two ago, this was

656
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Speaker 2: off air, you and I were talking about some of

657
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Speaker 2: the jobs that were opened, and I was like, raiders

658
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Speaker 2: job might not be that bad for me, Like, you've

659
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Speaker 2: got cap space, you're a you're in a market where

660
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Speaker 2: they're not going to hold your feet to the fire

661
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Speaker 2: to win right away.

662
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Speaker 4: It should be important to you know, right.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, and you got brock Bowers and

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Speaker 2: Ashton Genty and and you're gonna get Fernana Mendoza. And

665
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Speaker 2: you were like, yeah, but like brock Bowers and ash

666
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Speaker 2: and Genty they're great, but it's a tight end and

667
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Speaker 2: a running back. They're both offensive tackles, tackle and a

668
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Speaker 2: twenty six year old Max Crosby.

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Speaker 4: Right, this dynamic edge rusher phenom. It's not Will Anderson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're right as much as it would

671
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Speaker 2: be nice. Hey, I got third year brock Bowers and

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Speaker 2: second year Ashton Genty.

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Speaker 3: Right, you've got no offensive line.

674
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Speaker 4: And I can find a tight end the third round.

675
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Speaker 4: That's not Bowers, but I can live with right, you know,

676
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Speaker 4: I'd rather have.

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Speaker 3: A soul, Yeah, brock Bowers just because of the position.

678
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Speaker 4: And yeah, the Browns are last.

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Speaker 2: I think the Browns might be last on mine. They

680
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Speaker 2: have Falcons, four Dolphins, five Cardinals, six Titans, seven Raiders last.

681
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Speaker 4: I see why the Raiders are last, just because they

682
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Speaker 4: have so much work to do.

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Speaker 3: They do and they're not neither.

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Speaker 2: None of these organizations, obviously, other than the Steelers and

685
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Speaker 2: the Ravens, are the picture of stability. No, that's why

686
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Speaker 2: they're in these conversations every few years.

687
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Speaker 3: But if I'm all.

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Speaker 4: Those ones you listed, how many will still have this

689
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 4: new head coach three years from now? Half at most?

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Speaker 3: At most at most. It's hard for me to say

691
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Speaker 3: the Titans and the Raiders are the last two just

692
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Speaker 3: because the quarterback situations are much better than anywhere else.

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Speaker 4: That's where I was going to go the next Unless.

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Speaker 2: You hate cam Ward or hate Fernanda Mendoza, you at

695
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Speaker 2: least have your quarterback, and that's half the battle.

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Speaker 4: When there was nine openings, the other seven Steelers and Ravens,

697
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Speaker 4: I went Titans than Giants. I can Award.

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Speaker 3: I love cam Ward like ward way more than dark,

699
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Speaker 3: even though neither of us are in love with darts.

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Speaker 4: But I'm at least intrigued.

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Speaker 2: I'm intrigued. It's a much more stable organization. And they've

702
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Speaker 2: got some pieces in the trenches.

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Speaker 4: See that the nicing about the Giants. They have a

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Speaker 4: left tackle, they have a number one receiver, they have

705
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Speaker 4: extra they have a D line, they have a legit

706
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Speaker 4: D line where the Titans need more stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I have a great defensive lineman, yeah, right, and

708
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: a really good left, really good left guard.

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Speaker 3: That might be about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because I think, to get back to where

711
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Speaker 2: we started, I think your points of organizational stability is

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Speaker 2: number one ownership stability.

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Speaker 4: And that worries me with the Titans.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that worries me with a lot of.

715
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Speaker 4: Almost almost all these teams, and it will next year

716
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Speaker 4: with the openings in the year after. They're the worst scene.

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Speaker 3: And number two being quarterback.

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Speaker 2: If I'm looking at all of these situations, you know,

719
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Speaker 2: kind of taking Steelers and Ravens out of it. If

720
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at all these other Situationslers.

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Speaker 4: Are not one of the best quarterback situations. It's maybe

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Speaker 4: the worst.

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Speaker 2: It's aside from like I think Cleveland and Miami, where

724
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Speaker 2: you're still dealing with an albatross contract of a guy

725
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Speaker 2: who's not gonna help you at quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Where you'd rather not have the guy you have, Like

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Speaker 4: they never exist.

728
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Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson didn't exist on the Browns roster, two didn't

729
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Speaker 2: exist on the Dolphins.

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Speaker 3: Roster' better you'd be much better off.

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Speaker 2: But that to me, just cam Ward or Fernanda Mendoza

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Speaker 2: is enough to bump those ahead of at least to start.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing is at least I got a

734
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Speaker 4: good start.

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Speaker 2: At least I can live or die with a twenty three,

736
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Speaker 2: twenty four year old quarterback that I think has some juice.

737
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Speaker 4: And no expectations. Don't expecting me to win the division

738
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Speaker 4: this year. You know, I probably have two or three

739
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Speaker 4: years if ownership is logical, that I can build around.

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Speaker 2: That's one of those questions you should be asking too

741
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Speaker 2: when you're sitting down for an interview, is how long

742
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Speaker 2: am I getting here till till I'm expected to win

743
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Speaker 2: a division, win a playoff game, contend for a super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Like his Awfuls and Jets were this year, he was

745
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Speaker 4: on a hot seat. I mean, they could have been

746
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Speaker 4: one and done, and if he has similar year, he's

747
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: definitely gonna be gone next year, you know, no, no doubt,

748
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Speaker 4: no doubt, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Someone like Dan quint I mean yeah, yeah, if they

750
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Speaker 2: have a similar year.

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Speaker 3: He's out. And they were just in the NFC Championship

752
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Speaker 3: Game twelve months ago.

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Speaker 4: But you got to look at like Arizona Cleveland as

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Speaker 4: uh man, I don't have as many cards by hand

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00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: as the other teams in terms of you know, I've

756
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 4: mentioned this on the airline. Bill Walsh had a saying

757
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Speaker 4: when he when he get in his close quarters with

758
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Speaker 4: his real continent, you know, the coaching staff or the

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Speaker 4: owner and GM and the people really in charge of

760
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 4: the Niners, He's like, guys, every year, there's only six

761
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Speaker 4: teams we have to worry about, or maybe eight, you know,

762
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Speaker 4: like it's not thirty two, and we're one of them.

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Speaker 4: Now every year it's not always the other six, but

764
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Speaker 4: there's a lot of teams that aren't capable of winning

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Speaker 4: this thing. We are one of them as it is,

766
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: but there's really only six or seven teams that are

767
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Speaker 4: Now times might have changed.

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Speaker 3: A little, maybe it's closer to ten.

769
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because the league wants first to. I mean back

770
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Speaker 4: in the day, the Steelers would dominate the seventies and

771
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: Niners dominate the eighties, you know, the Washington some of

772
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: these teams giants.

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Speaker 3: And then they weren't for that at the time. I mean,

774
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: no one came like dynasties are good for sports. They are,

775
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 3: but so is parody and keeping keeping many more organized

776
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: than you're one day at ice, exactly right.

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Speaker 4: Like I love the super Steelers and like the the

778
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 4: also the awesome Swan Stalwart Webby, you know, Lambert Draft. Well,

779
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 4: they didn't all become free agents at the same time,

780
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Speaker 4: you know, like we're putting the franchise tag on Webby

781
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 4: or Lambert because the other one is going to go

782
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: to We can't it's going to Seattle, right yeah, exactly right,

783
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: right right.

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Speaker 2: Let's kind of piggyback off of this. What are the

785
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: pros to the Steelers job?

786
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: Right now?

787
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Speaker 2: What what do you look at and you go ooh,

788
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: I like that, And what do you look at and

789
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: you go that would give me some concern if I

790
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: were to take the head coaching job. Let's do that

791
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: to close down the second hour, and I'm actually intrigued

792
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Speaker 2: to see what you have to say about this, because

793
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: I think there's fair points to be made on both sides.

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00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: There are with all the jobs right, absolutely, and we'll

795
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: start to do that on the other side. To close

796
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Speaker 2: down this first hour, Westheeler, Matt Williamson, it is the

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Speaker 2: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network,

798
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: your teams.

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Speaker 1: About drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: There are pros and cons to every job in sports. Yeah,

802
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're the manager of the LA Dodgers,

803
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: there's still some cons.

804
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: If you're the.

805
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Speaker 4: Probably all walks of life. I don't know any other walks.

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00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: I just told you.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're the head coach of Ohio State

808
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: football or Duke basketball, there's probably still some cons that

809
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: come with that.

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00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 3: So, Matt, I.

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Speaker 4: Urge everyone to realize at all times, and it's been

812
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Speaker 4: I didn't know this when I was your age. I

813
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: didn't even understand this as well as I should. All

814
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 4: thirty two of these organizations are independent businesses that run

815
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 4: totally totally, totally different, and you just realize that, you know.

816
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 3: They are all their own Apple and IBM.

817
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, they all compete against each other, but they do

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00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 4: it differently and coke and different McDonald yeah, yeah, yes,

819
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 4: just a different structure.

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Speaker 2: So you want to go you want to go the

821
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: pros or you want to go the cons first? Do

822
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: we each want to take a side here and battle

823
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: it back and forth?

824
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 4: Whatever you want. I don't care.

825
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: Let's stalk for it. Let's start with pros.

826
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's start with the pros here, because this

827
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: might even take us two segments to get through all

828
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Speaker 2: the Yeah. I think there's a ton of pros, and

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Speaker 2: I think you I think you start with organizational stability, ownership, history,

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00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: foot per yes, all that that all matters, means a ton.

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Speaker 4: Even fan base, and you wouldn't think that helps me

832
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 4: win games. But it's just better to go to work,

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00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 4: you know.

834
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 2: Like everybody in the football world knows that Steeler's logo,

835
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: everybody in the football world knows that ye, that yellow,

836
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: that gold, terrible towel.

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Speaker 4: I mean that year was with the Browns. There were

838
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: some miserable days pulling in that parking lot when we

839
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 4: knew we're all getting fired. It's dismal, you know, and

840
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: we were on our interim head coach getting our heads

841
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 4: beat in every week, and I would often think, like, man,

842
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 4: what's like if I would do this for the Steelers,

843
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: you know, my hometown team, because I kind I mean

844
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 4: I didn't, but I was in that part, pulled in

845
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 4: the parking lot every day and saw those guys and

846
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 4: like that had a lot different feel than it did

847
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 4: by Brown's ears. Sure you know right.

848
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: That I mean, And you have to look no further

849
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Speaker 2: than nineteen years of Mike Tomlin. Yeah, fifteen years of

850
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: Bill Cower and what was it like twenty two years?

851
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: I think something like that of Chuck Noll.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, sure, anyone who was in this

853
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: coaching world knows how fleeting your time is.

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00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 4: You jumped them.

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00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: Look at any of these guys resumes.

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00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: We just talked about a few of them there at

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00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: all over the Then they're at Boston College, then they're

858
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: at Tampa Bay, then they're at Tennessee, then they're in

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00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: Green Bay.

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Speaker 4: I mean, every time that one is the head coach

861
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 4: in the NFL, like that.

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00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: Was ancient history or you know, as you've you've.

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Speaker 4: The word I was gonna use is patients too, like

864
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 4: all that stuff you said about organization ownership stability, But

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Speaker 4: they're patients. They're probably if things go really bad next

866
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Speaker 4: year and I'm a new head coach and I'm not

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Speaker 4: really all that good at my job, I probably get

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Speaker 4: a second year.

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Speaker 3: At least you probably get a third or fourth, right, We're.

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Speaker 4: Other teams might not. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: If you're Aaron Glenn with the Jets, you're already thinking

872
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: I better, I better put up this year.

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Speaker 3: This might be it.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure this happened with all three of the

875
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 4: Steelers head coaches that you had some money in the bank.

876
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 4: You know, I had been the head coach four or five,

877
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 4: six years, pretty stable ownership, trusts me, they think I'm

878
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 4: a good coach. I'm happy to be here, and then

879
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 4: you're seven no, happy with how went I mean, you

880
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: still may end up with a winning record, but you

881
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 4: may have looked at it like that should have been

882
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 4: a super Bowl team and you know, yeah, and we

883
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: couldn't have got we didn't get there or whatever. Where

884
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 4: Sean mcdermot's at right now, yeah, exactly exactly right.

885
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 3: Man, You've been the best coach that we've had.

886
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 4: Exactly where Harba thirty years super Bowl expectation.

887
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 3: You can't get us to the super Bowl. You can't

888
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: get us over the hump.

889
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 4: Where the ownership's like, well, we still trust you. We

890
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: think you'll see us, you'll get us there. This was

891
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 4: a down year, you know, one out of your first

892
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 4: seven was bad or Hayle Shanahan.

893
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like every year he's winning ten games,

894
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: losing ten games. It's always up and down. I think

895
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 2: that stability is real. I think that patience is real.

896
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: The just the legacy to you. You hear this every

897
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: time the Steelers sign a free agent from another team.

898
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: One of the I still remember Deshaun Elliott his introductory

899
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: press conference. Hey, you played for the Ravens, you played

900
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: for the Dolphins. Why why'd you sign with the Steelers?

901
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: What what made this place attractive? And he pointed to

902
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: the Steelers logo on the backdrop behind him. He was like,

903
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: you know what this thing means? Yeah, And when you're

904
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: in it, when you're a Steeler fan and every day

905
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: you're living and dying with your team's results, in the

906
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: day to day decisions and the day to day performances,

907
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: it sometimes can be hard to see that forest through

908
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: the trees. He yeah, you know, if you're a if

909
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: you're a Yankees fan, or a Celtics fan like sometimes

910
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: you can when you're in it every day and it's

911
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: all you've ever known, you can forget what that logo

912
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 2: means to everybody else outside of your bubble.

913
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 4: Oh exactly get.

914
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: And I think that carries a lot of weight.

915
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 4: That Green Bay g you can take your wife for granted,

916
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 4: you know that type of thing. You know, really got

917
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 4: it well and I didn't realize it.

918
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: I'm here every day exactly exactly right, exactly right, and

919
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: so I think all of that stuff encompassing is a

920
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: is a huge pro for the Steelers.

921
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 4: Huge pro for the Steelers. Another one they they do

922
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 4: have good resources. They have a lot of draft picks,

923
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 4: they got cap room. And I'm not sure this is

924
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: a con or not funny. I said con because omar

925
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 4: cons in place, and I would like to know, Hey,

926
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 4: coaches in the past, they build up a lot more

927
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 4: cachet than I do. They were coach here for nineteen years,

928
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 4: were very involved with roster building. Is that still a pro?

929
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: Or is that going to be not my job? You know?

930
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 4: And so I don't that's down the line, that's not

931
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 4: a pro.

932
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: Or a con, depending on how the coach feels about it.

933
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 4: Right, right. I liked some of the resources you guys have.

934
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 4: We need an extra receiver. How involved will I be

935
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 4: in picking that receiver? You know, I would just be

936
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 4: a question.

937
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: It's a great one and it's something that Art Rooney

938
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: the second talked about. Is that yesterday when he yes,

939
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: yesterday Wednesday when he did his press conference, was Chuck

940
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: Knowle was a part of that process. Bill Cower was

941
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: a part of that process. Mike Tomlin was a part

942
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: of that process. I you know, I believe our next

943
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: head coach will be a part of that. Not an

944
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: exact quote, but that they're.

945
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 4: All part of the process. I never forget. Mister Rooney's

946
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: a lawyer exactly like Dale had always bring it up.

947
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 4: He chooses his words extremely well. They're all to be

948
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 4: part of the process. I mean the tight ends coach

949
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 4: is part of the process. Yes, you know, but there

950
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: are different pieces, different portions of that. I also think

951
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 4: it's a strong roster. I mean it's a good it's

952
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: better roster than the brown Ye Cardinals, you know, right, yes, right,

953
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: the Titans.

954
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: Now, when we do the other side of this equation,

955
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: maybe we'll talk about maybe the age and the salary

956
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 2: cap of some of those of some of those guys. Yeah,

957
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: but I still think it's a division winning roster. Yeah,

958
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: albeit one that's gonna definitely have a different quarterback and

959
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: look and look different in all those things.

960
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 4: But I like the good young O line. That's a

961
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: hard thing to build. It absolutely is definitely a pro.

962
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: It's it's a I think I think the last couple

963
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: of draft classes are a pro. I think you look

964
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: at the offense, and you look at that offensive line,

965
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: and you look at the defense. You look at guys

966
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: like Derek Harmon, Joey Porter, Junior, Nick Herbig, who are

967
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: all still in their early twenties, mid twenties. Those guys,

968
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: you know, even if you as a head coach, I

969
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: think you want the pieces, you want to look at

970
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: the roster and say, Okay, two, three, four years from now,

971
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: when I've built this thing into a contentment, who's still

972
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: gonna be with me?

973
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah?

974
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 3: Where Like So, if you're looking at that now, probably

975
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: you have to look at all the show. If you're

976
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: looking at that.

977
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: Now, you're probably saying, Cam Heyward's probably not gonna be

978
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: with me in three years when I have That's just

979
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: that's just the reality of the situation, right, and so

980
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: we'll talk about the other side of that when we return.

981
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 2: But I think there there are plenty of the guys

982
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: on the right side of that, the Darnell Washington's like

983
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: in two three years when I have this thing, hum

984
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 2: and these guys.

985
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: Are gonna be a big part of that.

986
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

987
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Steelers also have the most wins since the merger.

988
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 2: They also have six Lombardi Trophies, haven't had a losing

989
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: season famously in twenty two years.

990
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 4: I think it's a pro that have such high standards.

991
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: I think so, But I'm sure some people would look

992
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 4: at it like, man, I could be bad at this

993
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 4: for a couple of years and no one's gonna care.

994
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: Like you can't be bad at it here for a

995
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: couple of years, gonna care. You might give one down.

996
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: Year, maybe one and a half years where.

997
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 4: You happen to get your next Brothelisberger and every nobody

998
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: remembers it. But if you're losing the division or you're

999
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 4: losing the Browns over and over and over, that's not

1000
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 4: going to be forgiven.

1001
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: People are going to be screaming about you on the

1002
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: local sports talk stations twenty four to seven hour in

1003
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: the books another hour ago. Let's look at the other

1004
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: side of this conversation. What would concern you about the

1005
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: Steelers if you were a coaching candidate interviewing for the

1006
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: head job. And we'll also catch up with our buddy

1007
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: Arthur Motes, his thoughts and his experience four years in

1008
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: that locker room with Mike Tomlin. All that and more

1009
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Speaker 2: as we roll into our number two Uller Williamson. It's

1010
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Speaker 2: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio

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