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Speaker 2: You want experience during your football season, well, buckle up,

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Speaker 2: sweet cheeks. What we've got all the experience in the world.

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Speaker 3: This is I want your flex.

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Speaker 2: With Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon. Mike and Dan break

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Speaker 2: down everything you need to set your lineups, from position

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Speaker 2: rankings to starts and sits. The guys help you make

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Speaker 2: those hard decisions. And now let's get your flex sod.

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Speaker 2: Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl sixty is set. He is Mike Carmen. Hit

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Speaker 1: him up at Swollen Dome. You can find me at

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Speaker 1: Dan Bayer on Fox. Ian Roddy is our executive producer.

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Speaker 1: You can find him on Exit. Ian Roddy underscore. Guys,

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Speaker 1: it's a rematch of Super Bowl forty nine Seahawks and

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Speaker 1: Patriots after wins this past Sunday. Obviously, I'm happy with

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks outcomes, So why don't we just start in

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Speaker 1: the NFC Mike. It was the high scoring affair of

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Speaker 1: the two conference championship games, one that went down to

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Speaker 1: the wire, but the Seahawks hold on for that thirty

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Speaker 1: one to twenty seven win.

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Speaker 3: Wild game, fifty eight points, no weather issues, no problems

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Speaker 3: the way we go. First question, how much merch have

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Speaker 3: you bought?

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Speaker 1: None yet, none yet. But I've also realized with a

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Speaker 1: four year old, it used to just be all for

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Speaker 1: me and maybe something for someone else. And then Lisa

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Speaker 1: came into my life, and when the Seahawks went to

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Speaker 1: their Super Bowls, we weren't married, so you know, I

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Speaker 1: now it's gonna all be about the four year old.

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Speaker 3: There you go, it's a family affair. Yes, Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 3: Jersey is on its way.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a Jackson Smith and Jigba.

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Speaker 1: I think for bet yeah, yeah, I think that's where

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Speaker 1: we're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Go, betting on the Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Roddy has a Russell Wilson one, and then Wilson got traded,

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Speaker 1: so I got him a DK metcalf one, and now

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Speaker 1: again he's only four, so this is gonna be Jersey

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Speaker 4: I got to make it work, do the fan base

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Speaker 4: of favor and get him a Tarik wool in Jersey.

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Speaker 3: Just to get him off the team.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: One of the crazier moments that we had in that

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Speaker 3: Because I forgot, you know, time of day, because you

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Speaker 1: So I was not okay. So there was after I

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Speaker 1: will I will tell you, I guess I just brought

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Speaker 3: circle that, the defense of the Seahawks rising up, some

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Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks, but like the Cooper Cup play went really fast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. It's you know, just try it. And

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Speaker 3: there's so many things they have to review over officiating,

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Speaker 1: but in the conversations that I've had on the shows

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Speaker 3: Didn't you love the Mike Silver article that popped on

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Speaker 3: Hell Yeah, Cooper Cup, you should retire.

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Speaker 1: Yes, fights in the elevator, yeah, near fights in the elevator.

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Speaker 1: It should be a lot of fun. It should be,

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Speaker 1: win ten to seven. Mike, I'll let you have for

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Speaker 3: Well, it was a fun and exciting seventeen point performance. Combined,

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Speaker 1: that's five to eight, so we have the second half

432
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Speaker 1: of the Broncos Patriots and the first half of Seahawks

433
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: rams was was basically our show and Mike, honestly, I

434
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: was on the other side. I did think that he

435
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: should have gone for it, and Carrie was for that

436
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: take the points, and I think in that scenario it's

437
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: play not considering the play call because I don't even

438
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Speaker 1: want I don't want to do that and say well

439
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: I didn't like the play call. I just think that

440
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Speaker 1: they made the right decision in going for it, that

441
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 1: if you got to fourteen and who knows on how

442
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: many times Jarrett Stidham's going to get them, you know,

443
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: into touchdown range, that maybe fourteen would be enough on

444
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: that day. I don't think ten would be and that's

445
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: why I thought that ultimately it would. And then with

446
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: the weather, and I understand your point of view, I

447
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: just think differently, like I think, all right, let's get

448
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: fourteen on the board because we know the weather's coming

449
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: and then we're then we'll be able to have that advantage.

450
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: So I didn't love the play call on it. Maybe

451
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Speaker 1: if you have JK. Dobbins, who you haven't had since

452
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: mid season, maybe it's something different. Maybe if you have

453
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Speaker 1: bo Nicks here, feel comfortable in aush push sort of situation,

454
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Speaker 1: even though it was a yard but still I didn't

455
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Speaker 1: have a problem with it. And then they got the stop.

456
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: They actually did.

457
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Speaker 3: Stop right, The defense did the job. It had made

458
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: the big stop, I mean, a very quick possession and

459
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 3: they've got the ball back. So in the end, you

460
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: know it held up. But as soon as the weather

461
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 3: starts to turn and things get awry in the kicking game,

462
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 3: can't you know, Superman rewind time? But I understand your

463
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 3: point as well, like it's I understand the logic of both.

464
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: It's the old all right, just put yourself on the

465
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Speaker 3: sideline and his shoes.

466
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Speaker 1: And again I think that this is the play that

467
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Speaker 1: so many people can talk about. But the play of

468
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: the game was the sidhem fumble. Yeah, if that doesn't happen,

469
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Speaker 1: I don't think that we're talking about this. I mean,

470
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: what made this fumble so egregious? And New England fans

471
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Speaker 1: would say, well they blew the play dead, we would

472
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Speaker 1: add a defensive touchdown. And I understand that portion of it. Again,

473
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Speaker 1: as I said, they were at the thirty three yard

474
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Speaker 1: line and somehow he throws the ball away at the fifteen,

475
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Speaker 1: so they had a super short field. Not only that,

476
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: they were only three minutes left in the half. If

477
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Speaker 1: you just threw it in completion or took a sack,

478
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Speaker 1: you punted it away at seven to nothing, and maybe

479
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: New England gets a drive going, maybe maybe they don't.

480
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's no harm, really, no foulow

481
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: you're up seven nothing in that scenario, you punt it

482
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Speaker 1: away and maybe you go into halftime with that seven

483
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: nothing lead. And ultimately that didn't happen for Denver. But

484
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: there were just a whole bunch of errors just on

485
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: that one play that ended up costing them. And I

486
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: mean they were able to bounce back to try to

487
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Speaker 1: get that field goal attempt at the end of the

488
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: half and it didn't cash in for him. But yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: just in a game where there were just going to

490
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: be so few opportunities, Denver just rarely took advantage of

491
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Speaker 1: theirs outside of the big play to open up the game.

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Speaker 4: But part of the Stidham fumble too, Dan is the

493
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Speaker 4: f and you kind of mentioned, is the fact that

494
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 4: they were literally winning by a touchdown. It wasn't like

495
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 4: he scrambled around in the backfield trying to make something happen.

496
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Speaker 4: And when it comes to a young quarterback like that,

497
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Speaker 4: you can kind of expect them to make dumb decisions

498
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 4: like that. But when it's such a big stage like

499
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Speaker 4: that and they are winning, like it's literally just you

500
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 4: can punt and it's totally fine. The Patriots offense hasn't

501
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 4: been able to do anything. Couldn't complete a freaking pass

502
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 4: for most of the game. Even after they scored there,

503
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 4: he couldn't do anything. So that's what's so frustrating about

504
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 4: it is it's literally, just don't be superman. That's not

505
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 4: your job. No one wanted you to, no one expects

506
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: you to be superman. You're the backup quarterback here. Just

507
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 4: just do your job. And he tried to do too

508
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 4: much and it ended up losing them the game, and

509
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Speaker 4: it's it sucks.

510
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't need you to be superman, right. They

511
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: to use that analogy and line again, it's like, just

512
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 3: don't make the big mistake. Defense was doing the job.

513
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 3: A couple of nice drives by New England, but it

514
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: didn't amount to anything missfield like they traded miss field

515
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 3: goals at the end of the half and everything else.

516
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Speaker 3: But it's just the the idea of you knew this

517
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: was going to be a tight game, even in the

518
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: best of scenarios, even if that weather never comes, that

519
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 3: nobody was gonna run away and hide on these defenses.

520
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Speaker 3: So just don't do something incredibly dumb.

521
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing that I thought, like with Stidham, was

522
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: thinking in his head is that, oh my goodness, I've

523
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: dropped back so far. I'm about to cost our team

524
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: twenty yards field position. And he thought that was worst

525
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: case scenario, right.

526
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: He thought he thought he got rid of the ball

527
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 3: as he should have been an incoplete pack.

528
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Speaker 1: He thought he was doing the right thing. Yeah, I

529
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: thought he was doing the right thing because he felt

530
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: he would put the team in the worst spot that

531
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Speaker 1: they could possibly be in and lo and behold there.

532
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: There wasn't even deeper rock bottom on that play, and

533
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: it just it sucked the air out of everything. Louts's

534
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: field goal when missing that in you know, because that

535
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: Sean Payton's guy, and I know he's been there a

536
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: couple of years, but when Peyton took over in Denver

537
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: went and made the trade to bring in Will Watson

538
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: and going up against the Patriots team too that the

539
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: forty six yard or that they missed in the snow

540
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: reminded me of Vinitaria against the Raiders in the Tuck

541
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Speaker 1: Rule game where he made that one from forty five

542
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: and you get the the hand deflection when the Patriots

543
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: didn't even really rush in that scenario. Like, just man,

544
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: if you're if you're a Broncos fan, I think the

545
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: only saving grace I think for a Broncos fan would be,

546
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna win the Super Bowl. If you

547
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: win that game, I'm sure you'd like to go, But

548
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: if that was going to be the game plan with

549
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: Jared Stidham, there's no way the Broncos would have beaten

550
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, you know or Rams. I think in the

551
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with that sort.

552
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: Of offense, Yeah, I don't. I don't think offensively you're

553
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 3: going to be able to match, right, Yeah, that's where

554
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: you you really hope that something on special teams or

555
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: your defense just rallies and We've talked about the Denver

556
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: defense has had its its share of struggles, and here

557
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: was just a game that they did everything to keep

558
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: you in it, right, they did, They did everything to

559
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: give you the chance to win, and you make the

560
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: one big blunder.

561
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

562
00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 3: Just an incredible uh stacking of events. But you know,

563
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: ten seven final. I know there was a lot of

564
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: handwringing about the game about weather and weather games. It's like,

565
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: it's football.

566
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: It's football.

567
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: You're trying to legislate this out too. I mean, you

568
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: play for home field advantage, like that's part of the thing.

569
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: Are we going to take all World Series games out

570
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: of New York Philadelphia at any place where there might

571
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 3: be inclement weather in the future.

572
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I have said that. I always

573
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: think that people who love it so much are people

574
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: who don't live in it. Sure, so I think we're

575
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: based in southern California. And you know, in the Browns

576
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: said that snow game against Pittsburgh where Jamis had all

577
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: the fun. I just remember everybody at worked the next

578
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: day was, man, that was awesome. I go, yeah, so

579
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: you have five more months of it, because then it's

580
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: not so awesome and by the way, that's what Cleveland's

581
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: going to have to deal with people. But I don't

582
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: like how it muted everything. And that's not my support

583
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: for all facilities to have roofs on it. That is

584
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: not the case. This stuff happens. It's January. You're in Denver.

585
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: It felt like how it was last weekend, or maybe

586
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: it was just at the end of the regular season.

587
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: They had like a sixty degree day. Yeah in Denver,

588
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, so you could have had that on Sunday. Right.

589
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: You never know what you're gonna get like, but I

590
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: can tell you I've gotten soft out here. When I

591
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: took my daughter out to Boise a couple of weeks ago,

592
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: we stopped for gas, I started convulsing. It was and

593
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: it was like twenty degrees. But I'm like, oh, I'll

594
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: just jump out, we'll get we'll fill up, and we'll

595
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: keep going. I was out in the cole for like

596
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: two minutes. For fifteen minutes, I couldn't stop the muscles

597
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: in my arms from spazmy, Like I really thought something

598
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: in my nervous system broke. My daughter was terrified because

599
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: I'm just twitching. Yeah, and then finally the body regulated.

600
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Speaker 4: There's people in snowy climates listening to this right now,

601
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: just shaking their heads.

602
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: No, no, but that's just it. But but you're not in it, right,

603
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 3: You're never in it. And then when you go and

604
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: it takes a day maybe two, you bundle up. In

605
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: this case, I went from a warm car to probably

606
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 3: something that was seventy five degrees difference outside. So all

607
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: of a sudden like bam, Okay, it's minus ten with

608
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: a windshill and cold freezing in the mountains, cold plunge

609
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: just with air. Yeah no, kids, but yeah, look, I

610
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: could reacclimate. I could put a couple of pounds back on.

611
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: I mean there's a I could wear some gortex. But

612
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: in you know, it's outdoor football. Well that's the larger thing.

613
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: And we forget last year the Rams and Eagles had

614
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: to deal with a blizzard that hit Philadelphia the second

615
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: half of their game and it cost the Rams. They

616
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: had about two or three possessions where they just were

617
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: lost in Philadelphia seemed to really capitalize. However, if we

618
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: remember on how that game actually did finish, the Rams

619
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Speaker 1: were driving at the end, they were they were in

620
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: Philadelphia territory in that snowstorm, so here's the team. And

621
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, we saw out the Rams were able to

622
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: accomplish against the you know, your Bears in that you know, cold,

623
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: frigid scenario. So which, by the way, I don't think

624
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: this is bad. It's actually dealing with the footing and

625
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: snow is what we're you know, really talking about, and

626
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: that's what they had to deal with. So Denver wasn't

627
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: going to get a big play. You weren't going to

628
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: get a busted coverage on anything because just wasn't going

629
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: to happen, and guys weren't running away from anyone. And

630
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: with eleven minutes to go in the game, the Broncos

631
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: had the football and it was a must score because

632
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: you knew that if they punted it back and gave

633
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: it back to New England or had any sort of

634
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: success and had to punt it back, they were probably

635
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: going to get it back with two minutes left, and

636
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: there'd be no way they'd be able to score and

637
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: drive eighty yards in two minutes. It was impossible to

638
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: do on somebody.

639
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: Here's your fun and fourth quarter three plays three yards,

640
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: one minute, Broncos possession, punt, Patriots four plays ten yards,

641
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: two forty two off the club Broncos six plays seventeen

642
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: yards but three minutes off the club three four three three,

643
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: and then we get the interception at the end of

644
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: the game. Do you want to give credit though, for

645
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: Drake May when we talk about the struggle in the

646
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Speaker 3: past game, the fact that he fooled everybody with his

647
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: little uh end around to seal the game and pick

648
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: up that first down. I thought it was funny on

649
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: the broadcast, you know, Romo, I forget with a challenge

650
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: or challenging play or whatever. He said, like, no, he

651
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: wasn't putting the ball in the air. That's the easiest

652
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: thing he could have done. There was no handoff to

653
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: a running back, there was nothing else. It was literally

654
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: secure the ball and run like hell. That was the

655
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: best option he could and he won the foot race

656
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: to the edge to seal things. But it was just, man,

657
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: that's a game that comes down to one play. I mean,

658
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: we talked about it, you know, all during the season.

659
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: They had seventy three regular season games finished within a

660
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Speaker 3: field goal.

661
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Speaker 1: Crazy. I look back at the Seahawks schedule and I say,

662
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, they ended up going fourteen and three and say, yeah,

663
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: they the three losses that they had, Like I could

664
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: justify on how they should have won those games. Sure,

665
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: And it's funny because the Patriots when they lost to

666
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: the Steelers, they turned the ball over five times in

667
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: that game, and the Bills game was a shootout. So

668
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: the only game that they really should have lost was

669
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Speaker 1: that Raiders game, you know, in Week one. Yeah, but

670
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean, man, they end up getting by and you know,

671
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: the Broncos are their giants comeback that they had and

672
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: all the different something had to give on Sunday and

673
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: it ended up being the the Broncos hopes for a playoff.

674
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: Twenty one eighty six yards, five sacks taken, advances to

675
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

676
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are about five to seven plays that New

677
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: England needed to make in that game and that provided

678
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: the outcome. It truly was big plays that they ended

679
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: up I mean, if the Broncos make any of those

680
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: field goals, obviously different situation, and if they kick that one,

681
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: you know, as you say on fourth and one and

682
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: I say go for it, But they make that fifty

683
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: four yarder could have been different. Forty six yarder if

684
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: isn't just deflected by the side of a hand. Again,

685
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't a real huge rush, but I'm sure, well,

686
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: Let's probably didn't get it as solid as he would

687
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: have hoped, and from forty six yards it was enough

688
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: to move it offline. So how you know it's not

689
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: going to be your day when you're missing two field goals,

690
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, yeah, it's not gonna work out for us.

691
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: But again, Broncos fans look at it this way. I

692
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: don't think you would have won the Super Bowl, so

693
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: you can save your money and not have to go

694
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: to Santa Clara and watch what likely would have been

695
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: a loss. That's the only thing that I would say, Yeah,

696
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: you want your team in it, yeah you want to win,

697
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: But ultimately, I just don't think they would have had

698
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: a chance, even with two weeks to get Jared's that

699
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm prepared, just wasn't gonna happen.

700
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: That would have been how many Gadget plays does he

701
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: have and his Taysom Hill available.

702
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: To be Yeah right right? Oh man, crazy weekend from

703
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: the NFL in India. Hates seeing the Patriots in You said,

704
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: you're the biggest Seahawks fan.

705
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hate it so much, and it's it's only

706
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 4: made worse by how lucky they've been this entire postseason run,

707
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: regular season. It's I said it on last week's show,

708
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 4: but they have to be the luckiest team in NFL

709
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: history with how this has gone.

710
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: I know it's not it's not official, but Mike Reese,

711
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: who covers the you know, covers the Patriots, tweeted out

712
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: that the Patriots are likely going to wear they're all

713
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: white uniforms that they wore against Denver in the Super Bowl,

714
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: which I thought that that was pretty unique because it

715
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: was a look that we hadn't seen much from them.

716
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: We've seen them in the even in the gray pants,

717
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like they were road warriors, right, We've

718
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: seen teams do that before, where like you know, Pittsburgh is, hey,

719
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: we want all these games on the road. We're gonna

720
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: wear white in the super Bowl because that's what we

721
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: were to get here, Like they had two home games

722
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: that they wore their Navy uniforms. But he reported it.

723
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: It's not official, but they are the home team. They

724
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: can choose what jersey they want to wear. That they

725
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: may be leaning towards wearing they're all whites in Super

726
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: Bowl sixty.

727
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: There we go. Can't wait to see what the end zones,

728
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 3: and everything looks like as we get ready for this.

729
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have double Navy end zones. I

730
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: just hope they would do the Patriots in red. Then

731
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: it would look really good. But we shall see, all right,

732
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: who's gonna be the next head coach of the Bills,

733
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: of the Raiders, of the Cardinals, and does anybody want

734
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: the Browns job? We'll discuss the hat. He's Mike Krmen,

735
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm Dan Byer. That's Ian Roddy. That's next. And I

736
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: want your flex. It is, I want your flex. Getting

737
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: set for more coaching news, but before we dive into that,

738
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: there was some news in the NFL on Monday that

739
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: grabbed people's attention. Shouldor Sanders Mike is a Pro Bowl

740
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: replacement for Patriots quarterback Drake may So. Should Or Sanders

741
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: will be a part of the Pro Bowl Games coming

742
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: up the week before the Super Bowl. It's on the

743
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: Tuesday of Super Bowl Week. Now they kind of moved it,

744
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: but should Door Sanders taking part in the Pro Bowl

745
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: Games TV show.

746
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: Try to get some folks involved. That's it, and that's

747
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: all I can come to because there's certainly no statistics

748
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 3: or anything else. That bear out whatever metric you want

749
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: to use other than his Q rating, it doesn't. It

750
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: doesn't pass right. Joe Flacco should have been selected ahead

751
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: of him. Go on down the line, try Lawrence right,

752
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 3: you know, but you know Shaudor moves the needle and

753
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 3: folks on either side of it, right either, Yay, that's

754
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: our guy. Look at Stefanski, screwed him. Stefanski can now

755
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 3: put on his resume that he had a pro bowler

756
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: that he coached in his final year at Cleveland as

757
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: he goes to Atlanta. I mean that resume needs to

758
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: be ready for the next one. But you know, those

759
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: that wanted to bring out their poison pens and start

760
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 3: banging the drum, it's the most will talk about the

761
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl games. I think at all.

762
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I am in lockstep with you on that, Mike,

763
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: and I will go a couple of steps further with that,

764
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: because I think you're one hundred percent correct, and I've

765
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: always been one who as of late. I said it

766
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: a month or two ago with the NBA All Star Game,

767
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: I said, Cooper Flag's got to be a part of it.

768
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: You got to figure out a way because in the

769
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: first round of balloting that they had, he was not

770
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: in the top twenty. And I'm like, my goodness, how

771
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: like this is this is the way that you build

772
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: a game that you end up putting guys you want

773
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: to see in the situation. I thought that, you know,

774
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: Ellie de la Cruz should have been in the MLB

775
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: All Star Game his rookie year, remember, and he was

776
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: called up by the Reds, and we were wondering what

777
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: he was doing every night, like put him in the

778
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: All Star Game. Everybody was mad about Misarowski this past year. Well,

779
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: it was he was must see TV, like in the

780
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: in the that portion, and you know what, maybe the

781
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: All Star Game ended up hurting them in the second

782
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: half of the season, who knows, But for that point

783
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: it was something to watch for and you're spot on.

784
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: It added value to an event that nobody cared about.

785
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: And that's where I go with it, is so now

786
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: you're going to start to care about the Pro Bowl

787
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: like that's this is now what's going to make you

788
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: say that? It's this is so ridiculous when nobody has cared.

789
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: And when I mean you, I don't mean you Mike

790
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: or you Ian. I'm just talking about the people who

791
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: were up in arms over should or making a Pro Bowl.

792
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: You're right, it's a TV show. It's for ratings. Nobody

793
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: cared about it before, so why would you start caring

794
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: about it now. And Trevor Lawrence probably did turn it down.

795
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: I think all these guys turned it down because it's

796
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: such a farce of what it is, and if you

797
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: can have shud Or Sanders mingle with some other NFL stars,

798
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: it's got to be good for the league. So I

799
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: had absolutely no problem with it. I'm not gonna have

800
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: a faux outrage or fake outrage on on the decision,

801
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: because you know, the TD to I int ratio was

802
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: what it was. You're right, it's a TV show. It's

803
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: an event. You're trying to get eyes, you're trying to

804
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: get people interested. I've always said young young stars should

805
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: be included in this stuff, and the NFL obviously felt

806
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: the same and did what they did. I have no

807
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: problem with it.

808
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 4: Look, I'm not I'm not outraged about it either or

809
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 4: like you know, even mad about it at all. And

810
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 4: I agree with you guys one hundred percent that it's

811
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 4: a TV show first and foremost here and that's never

812
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 4: been more clear than it is today when they when

813
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: they made this decision, but it's still an accolade, like

814
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 4: it's a career accolade. So the fact that Trevor Lawrence

815
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: turned it down, like that's that's an issue in and

816
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: of itself to me, because if you have guys who

817
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: are actively turning down things that are going to be

818
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 4: added to their career resume, like Trevor Lawrence, when he

819
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: finally hangs them up and you're counting as Pro bowls, oh,

820
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 4: three time Pro Bowl or Trevor Lawrence, it's actually going

821
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 4: to be two time Pro bowler because he turned it

822
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 4: down this year when he should have made it.

823
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: It's like, why would he do? That's well, and that's

824
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: part of the right does in years past, if you

825
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: got selected and then declined, you got credit for it.

826
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: So whether Trevor does or not, we'll see.

827
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 4: But it as the alternate in this case, that's what's different.

828
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: Right well, but in the end it would still say

829
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: pro bowler like once it's in, like nobody's paying attention. Oh,

830
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 3: he was the fifth alternate. We do now, but eventually,

831
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: when his career's done, assuming it doesn't end tomorrow, we're

832
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: going to say he was X time Pro Bowler. And

833
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: this is a question Jason Cole who joins us each

834
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: and every week, Jason Smith and I he's a pro

835
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: he's a Hall of Fame voter. So what I'm going

836
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: to ask him when we have him on later on

837
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 3: this week, and I'll report back on the findings. Maybe

838
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: we'll grab the audio, is where was the line in

839
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: the sand of when Pro Bowls stopped mattering?

840
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: Right?

841
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 3: Because once upon a time that would be part of

842
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: your case to the Hall of Fame, because not everybody

843
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: can be first or second team All Pro, but going

844
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 3: to the Pro Bowl and being one of the starters,

845
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: as you say, and you know I had some weight, right,

846
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: We talked about it when we were younger.

847
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: Dan.

848
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: You know, that was on a guy's football card if

849
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: he made the Pro Bowl. Right, they had you know,

850
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 3: insert sets and sub sets and whatever. So like at

851
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 3: what you know, where is that line in the sand

852
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: in the generation of player of all? Right? It was

853
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 3: taken seriously till this point. Did it have to go

854
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: to flag football? And I had a guy who put

855
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 3: up a theory which was really good. He goes, well,

856
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 3: what if they they're getting ready to launch a flag

857
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: football league should or could be one of the stars.

858
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: I thought it was kind of ane, But it's just

859
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: that idea, like where's that line in the sand?

860
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll say this, nobody cares about Pro Bowls,

861
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: like truly. When you're talking when you're talking ball with

862
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: people and you're talking about accolades, you talk about All Pro.

863
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: That's right, that's what you talk about. That is when

864
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: I do my show with Carrie Rhodes, I say, he's

865
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, he was a second team All Pro a

866
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: couple of times in his career. That's what we talk about.

867
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: The Pro Bowls are so loose with how many and

868
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: and I mean obviously I even saw someone I think

869
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: it was Benjamin Albright who pointed out that like Trevor

870
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: Simeon was an alternate one year for you know, you're

871
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: Northwestern guy. Yeah, right, Like so like this isn't like

872
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: there have been like there have been levels, like we've

873
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: gotten to the point. There was another one recently, maybe

874
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: in the last year.

875
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 3: Or two, was Mac Jones.

876
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: Oh, Mac Jones, Yeah, yeah, and Mac Jones so it's already.

877
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: A few years ago, yeah, or two years ago or

878
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: whatever it was. Yeah, But but.

879
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 4: But the point is Shad had a worse stat line

880
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 4: than those guys, Like at least those guys I assume

881
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 4: threw more touchdowns than interceptions.

882
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what's the difference if you're the fourteenth choice

883
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: in the conference or the eighteenth you know, like, as

884
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: you said, Joe Flacco may have deserved it more, right,

885
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, this is this is what're

886
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, this is what it ended up being. Certain

887
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: guys are injured, certain guys can't do it. It's just

888
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: it just tells you the value of the game. And

889
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: I just I think that nobody cares about Pro Bowls.

890
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: That's just the point that I would say, it's all

891
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: pro that matters. And yeah, it's nice. It was nice

892
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: when they could get a trip to Hawaii, right, And

893
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: by the way, I liked it after the Super Bowl,

894
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: I liked I hate I don't like that. I don't

895
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: hate the strong word, but I'm not a fan of

896
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: having it before. And I think that they feel that this,

897
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, once the Super Bowl's done, everybody loses interest.

898
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was a nice cool down, right, you know,

899
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: going to Hawaii and another building a new stadium there,

900
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: so you couldn't really put it there now, but the

901
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: week after then you would have guys who were actually

902
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl show up for it. Yeah. I

903
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: actually would play.

904
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I did nothing else. So different guys coming

905
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: off the Super Bowl who were named the team, they

906
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 3: could participate in all the events. So it was nice

907
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: for the sponsors. It was nice for all those kids

908
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: that were out there. And you know, look, I'm not

909
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 3: a think of the children kind of thing most of

910
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 3: the time, and it is, you know what in terms

911
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: of the sports world, but it's the it was a

912
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: fan friendly event. It's after the season, and those folks

913
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: you could decompress the entire year. What did you think

914
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: of the Super Bowl? What was your experience leading through

915
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl? And then you bookended it and everybody

916
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: clapped their hands and went home. I agree with you.

917
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a nice thing to sit back. And

918
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: I remember my seventh grade so this will this will

919
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: tell you the one gets to the coaching stuff in

920
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: a second. In seventh grade, I recorded the Pro Bowl

921
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: on VHS because the guy in the locker next to

922
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: me in our junior high didn't have cable and it

923
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: was on ESPN and he wanted to watch the Pro Bowl.

924
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: So I said, I'll record it for you. So I

925
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: recorded the game, brought the VHS tape in, Yeah, said

926
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: here you go. You're like, you know, go ahead and

927
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: watch it. And you watched it, and that's that's how

928
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: back Ian's like, what are you even talking about? But

929
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: that's what it was. Back again would have been. I

930
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: think I did. Yeah, I think he did. Not only

931
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: did I think I got it back. I think he

932
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: probably watched it that night and brought it back the

933
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: next day. He was so excited to watch the Pro Bowl.

934
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: But I remember taping a Pro Bowl and giving it

935
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: to one of my lockermates in junior high.

936
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

937
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: Those were the days. Yeah those Oh man, the Browns, Cardinals, Raiders,

938
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: and Bills still need to find a head coach. The

939
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: Browns are giving essays out. Nobody wants that job. Everybody's

940
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: backing out. I don't know if the Raiders and Cardinals

941
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: were sitting there waiting on coaches that were coaching in

942
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: Championship Sunday. I mean Mike Lafleur interviewed with the Cardinals again.

943
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: I know the Raiders had a bunch of interviews on Monday.

944
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: And by the way, the time this pod by the

945
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: time that this pod drops, there may have been an

946
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: opening filled. This is early Tuesday morning on January twenty seventh.

947
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz was thought maybe to be the leader in

948
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: the clubhouse Mike in Cleveland, but that almost seems by

949
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: default that nobody wants that job.

950
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: That's the curiosity though. Right You've either had people back

951
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: out altogether saying I'm just not bothering, or second interviews

952
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 3: saying forget it and it's a weird coaching segle. We

953
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: had ten jobs, all of these remain, and you've got

954
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 3: guys saying, hey, I'm gonna go be a coordinator somewhere else.

955
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: And it was reported for two of them, Flores and McDaniel,

956
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: that they had their deals in place unless they got

957
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: a head coaching job, which is fascinating. Hey, we're ready

958
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 3: to move on with you and you'll be our new

959
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 3: coordinator on this side of the ball unless you leave

960
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: tomorrow and then we go to plan b ourselves. What

961
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: the hell are we doing? But just the Cleveland you

962
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 3: had the opportunity to talk to the Jaguars OC's thirty

963
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 3: years old, and it he bails. Oh like these personality

964
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: tests and whatever the hell has Lemon Barry or doing

965
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: on just named Joe Flacco. I keep bringing Joe Flacco up,

966
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: all right, make Philip Rivers the coach.

967
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: I think. I think people will try to make this

968
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 1: about Shador funny enough, because we talked about the Pro Bowl,

969
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: and I think it has everything to do with the

970
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: haslams absolutely, you know. That's that's where it is. And

971
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz is in the building, and I think they're

972
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: going to ultimately just settle on him because their defense

973
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: was really good and why not keep that going. But

974
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: the only people that would be doing these essays and

975
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: these questions are guys who are desperate enough to want

976
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: that job and that and hopefully this is an ageism

977
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: to the younger crew, but anybody over forty would have

978
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: to be like, no, thanks, screw you, you can shove it.

979
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: You can do this if you have you know, even

980
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: Grant Edinski, as he said, with draws at thirty years old,

981
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: because other teams want them. Why would you end up

982
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: doing that. Let's here like a coordinator that isn't getting

983
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: any other interviews anywhere else. I don't know why you

984
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: would succumb to such a stupid sort of thing, because

985
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: all he hear is there's only thirty two of these.

986
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: Well apparently there's thirty one and then one other and

987
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: this is the one other of them. Because it doesn't

988
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: seem like the Browns job is appealing to anyone. And

989
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: I think it goes right up to ownership.

990
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've watched how it works, and you know,

991
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 3: Schadeur and whatever the Watson situation is, Yes, it's there,

992
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 3: but it is that opportunity, you know, because you can

993
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: always go back and be a coordinator. But you also,

994
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: I mean we've watched these guys age. Look how much

995
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 3: younger Mike Tomlin looks after two weeks of leaving the Steelers,

996
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: which is a stable organization, right, he goes to his

997
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 3: daughter's gymnastic thing. The bags are gone from under his eyes.

998
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 3: He looks like he's loving life. So imagine the Factory

999
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 3: of Sadness or some of these other spots and what

1000
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 3: it does to you. Arizona. I mean, Vegas is interesting

1001
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 3: because of who's running you know, the job search and

1002
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: then Buffalo. I mean, how much did they damage themselves

1003
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: with those exit interviews and people you know, kind of

1004
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 3: poking around the facilities to figure out what the hell

1005
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: reality is there.

1006
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: Oh, it's been a crazy cycle with all of these openings.

1007
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: What do you think of McCarthy's hiring in Pittsburgh? Speaking

1008
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: at Tomlin.

1009
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: Means we get McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers.

1010
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: You think it's going to be back again, right?

1011
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: I think he comes back. Yeah, I think he comes

1012
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 3: back for one more year. Because you would you would

1013
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 3: you rather run with him or Rook because I don't

1014
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: think McCarthy comes in to train a fresh faced guy necessarily.

1015
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: Not that you don't get your bridge guy or or

1016
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: your next quarterback, but that you you're not in a

1017
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: position to get the guy necessarily. And maybe Will Howard

1018
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: is that guy. I don't know, but yeah, but right,

1019
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: but but he was there and and was hurt and

1020
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: you know, really didn't play a factor into what we're doing.

1021
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: Uh they did this year we're doing. Yeah, it's just

1022
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: the way I speak, but it's it's you know, he

1023
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: came in on a deal Rogers did, he was He

1024
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 3: only made thirteen million. Your other options are you draft

1025
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: one of these later round guys and help them develop, right,

1026
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 3: so cost efficiency, here's a guy for a year, you

1027
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: learn you don't have to play right away and It's

1028
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: understood you got a lot of high money committed to

1029
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: defensive guys, so you're not getting out of that necessarily

1030
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: right away. But for Rod, your other option is to

1031
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: go into the marketplace. And what are you going to do?

1032
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 3: Bring in Kyler Murray or to a tongue of Ailoa? Yeah,

1033
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 3: high price, right, I mean the costs even if Arizona

1034
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: or Miami respectively eat a bunch of it, Are those

1035
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: two guys you want to build on?

1036
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: No, And I give McCarthy credit for the offense that

1037
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: they did put together in Dallas because they were they

1038
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: were really, really good, and that would that would seem

1039
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: to lean towards on where Pittsburgh is. I'm sure Pittsburgh

1040
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: looks at it and saying, we just won the division.

1041
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: I think they would have kept Mike Tomlin next year

1042
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: if Tomlin didn't walk away. I think that the McCarthy

1043
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: hiring solidifies that and that they wanted Tomlin back next year.

1044
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: I know there was some people questioning whether it was

1045
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: a true walking away or Pittsburgh wanted him to stay.

1046
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh would have probably had him stay there five more

1047
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: years if they if they wanted to. But I think

1048
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: that they feel like, hey, we won the division and

1049
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: it's back to the same things that we've talked about.

1050
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: And now they just say, well, if we could make

1051
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: our offense better, which McCarthy did in Dallas when he

1052
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: ended up taking the Cowboys over, like they truly were

1053
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: a better offense and Dak had some of his best

1054
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: years under him. I think that's what you probably hope

1055
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, and I thought they were going to go

1056
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: their other route from what they've shown and draft a

1057
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: young guy. I'd put Yudinsky in the equation, I think

1058
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: on our last podcast just because of how young he was,

1059
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: even though he was on the offensive side of the ball.

1060
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: Never he really wasn't under consideration at all. They only

1061
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: did three second interviews and was I think it was

1062
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: it was Flores McCarthy and I think Anthony Weaver got

1063
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: the other one. But they were pretty much dead set

1064
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: and who they kind of wanted to hire, and they

1065
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: now they've got them. So the Mike McCarthy era now

1066
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: moves to how about that resume Packers, Cowboys and Steelers.

1067
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: Let's go to a heavyweights, right, Yeah, seriously, I'm curious

1068
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: to see right a little bit away from the game,

1069
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: watching how it's unfolding and changing it up to your

1070
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 3: point about what that Dallas offense became under him. You know,

1071
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: you look at the marketplace, there's a couple of guys

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Speaker 3: that are under contract for twenty twenty six that it

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00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 3: would be curious to see what the cost would be

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00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 3: based on what we saw. I mean, because look what

1075
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: we have sixty four. I think by time we got

1076
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 3: into the playoffs, different guys start a game. But like

1077
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: mac Jones is under contract, but he's cheap. Yeah, now,

1078
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 3: if San Francisco, I'm not letting him out of the

1079
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 3: building unless you're really gonna pony up big. But the

1080
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: potential is for a guy like that to get another

1081
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 3: run somewhere else, And I'm sure we could find a

1082
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 3: couple others under contract that way. I know Brissett's still

1083
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 3: under contract for a year in Arizona. Not that he's

1084
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: a building block, but he acquitted himself pretty well in

1085
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: a terrible situation. So that's the next part of the carousel.

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Speaker 3: That'll be fun to watch the veteran quarterbacks.

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00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be. I think Arizona like Arizona interviewed

1088
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: Mike Laflor. I don't know why you would bring in

1089
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: Mike laflor The only reason being with Arizona is I

1090
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: think we've seen a little bit of history and when

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00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: you try to compete. It's part of the reason why

1092
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are in the super Bowl was you got

1093
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: to find a guy to beat Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay,

1094
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: and a Sean McVay assistant isn't going to beat Sean McVay.

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00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: I mean, like when the sex head Shane Waldron is

1096
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator, I felt like the Rams knew what

1097
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: they were doing all the time and there was no

1098
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: way that they were going to get the best of

1099
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: the Rams unless there was something crazy that happened. Like

1100
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: I just always felt that the Rams had an edge,

1101
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: and I would feel the same thing if you're the

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00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: Cardinals and you bring in, you know, Mike Lafleur for

1103
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: an interview and having to deal with that like that.

1104
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: It's not meant to be disrespectful, but yeah, it's just

1105
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to compete with some heavyweights in

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00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: that division. And I don't know if I would go

1107
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: from any of the coaching trees from Sean McVay because

1108
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to be able to top

1109
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: him that way. But nobody cares about the Cardinals opening anyway,

1110
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: So I don't that wasted sixty seconds on it.

1111
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 3: But you know what, Dan, that's the funny thing though, right,

1112
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: it's hanging out in the balance, and we've had the

1113
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: big discussions, and it's like, a, it's the bid Wells Cardinals.

1114
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 3: What are they get to do? Sure, they're in a

1115
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 3: division where they're running uphill, Yes, no matter what, no

1116
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: matter who comes in there. Yeah, and they drafted all

1117
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 3: defense last year. Great. I had a defensive coach that

1118
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 3: did not work, Marvin Harrison Junior. I have no idea

1119
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 3: when how I if he's ever going to be anything

1120
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 3: close to what we expected. But yeah, it's the job

1121
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: that's just kind of hanging in the balance. Like every

1122
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: time I write down the list of all the things

1123
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 3: right and making sure that that's in my head of

1124
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: who got hired where, the one I always forget that

1125
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: has to be added to the end of the list is, oh, yeah,

1126
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 3: in Arizona's still open.

1127
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. Nobody really cares. What do you like

1128
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: in the Bills job? Do you have any any lean

1129
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Davis Webb seems to be getting, you know,

1130
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: because I don't want to say that because it's still open,

1131
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: because it's only been a week for Buffalo. I mean,

1132
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: is dabol the guy that's going to come back? And Yudinski?

1133
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: Could it be? Could it be the thirty year old?

1134
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're offense, you know, if they

1135
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: need an offensive coach, but maybe they do.

1136
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the big question is do they how

1137
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 3: much are they really letting Josh Allen decide and city? Yeah,

1138
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 3: and influence things that that would tell you a lot.

1139
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: I think dable.

1140
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 4: Uh.

1141
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: If if I were the you know, new coaches in

1142
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: these other spots, I'm trying to get him on board

1143
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 3: my staff as much as anything, particularly if I'm Baltimore.

1144
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: But you know Joe Brady and where he is. But

1145
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 3: Davis Webb is interesting, right, contemporary guy that played. But

1146
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 3: is is Kubiak still the prize? Do you wait?

1147
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: I think that the Raiders might. That was one of

1148
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: the takeaways from the Brady broadcast was boys talking very

1149
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: highly about Clint Kubiak. Yeah, that that could be, that

1150
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: could be an option for the Raiders. Maybe. I don't know,

1151
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: if you the Bills at least can afford to because

1152
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: of their later elimination. You know, the Raiders job has

1153
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: been open since the end of the regular season. Same

1154
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: thing with the Cardinals. So if you feels like you

1155
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: kind of need to get a move on it. You know,

1156
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: Gannon was a late high Remember they had to wait

1157
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: for him after the Eagles season, and then some Eagles

1158
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: fans blamed him because he was had the job and

1159
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: didn't think he put enough focus in on the Super Bowl.

1160
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: But I would love to see a Yudinsky in Buffalo

1161
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: just because, man, that could be the greatest thing, or

1162
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: it could be the worst thing. You know, throw a

1163
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: thirty year old kid in who everybody speaks highly of,

1164
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to compete with the Patriots for

1165
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: the next ten or fifteen years with Drake may So

1166
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: try to figure out a way, you know, to deal

1167
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: with that addition to maximizing Josh Allen, I hope it's Yudinsky,

1168
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: but I think the Davis web stuff is really I

1169
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: think that's gaining some traction, and now that the Broncos

1170
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: have been eliminated. I know he interviewed with the Bills

1171
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: in a couple of other places at the top of

1172
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: this recording, but I think you may be right, Mike,

1173
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: that that could be where it's tracking. But I'd love

1174
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: to see Yudinsky get that job.

1175
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: Well, whoever it is, could they get it in writing

1176
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 3: from being that he will draft or pursue a real

1177
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 3: wide receiver. I know he was calling into local talk

1178
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,479
Speaker 3: shows at the end of the year defended, but sure

1179
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 3: as hell. Look like at times Josh Allen felt like

1180
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 3: he needed to put it and he was terrible and

1181
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 3: he got a free pass. We did it on the

1182
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: podcast last week. For those that missed it, go back

1183
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: and grab of that audio. But you know, going and

1184
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: getting yourself a surefire number one who can go up

1185
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 3: and get it probably should be amongst the grocery lists

1186
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 3: for the Bills.

1187
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: I saw a free agent tracker that had Mike Evans

1188
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: to the Bills. I was like, Wow, all right, maybe

1189
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: five years ago that would have been cool, but I

1190
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: don't know about now.

1191
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 3: Well, could he become that box out guy that Angela

1192
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: Bolden was when he couldn't run the last couple of

1193
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 3: years of his career. Yeah, I just go just beyond

1194
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 3: the sticks.

1195
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: Can't you see Alec Pierce being a Buffalo Bill like

1196
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: that just just feels like that that would be the

1197
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: Alan throwing bombs to Pierce and throwing these unders to

1198
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: Khalil Shakir and uh and crew. Oh all right, we'll

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Speaker 1: end it there, all right, A jam packed edition of

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Speaker 1: I Want Your Flex. Don't worry, We're gonna be with

1201
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: you through the Super Bowl. We'll have we'll have additions

1202
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: coming out as well. Plus we'll always end up our

1203
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: fantasy football season with our Top sixty review that's coming

1204
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: up in February as well. Mike Ian, any final thoughts

1205
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: before we wrap this up, and.

1206
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 3: You got anything?

1207
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 4: Just waging on the bills thing? I like, I like

1208
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 4: Dable kind of with you guys on that one. I mean,

1209
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 4: Yudinsky would be awesome, but he's not that much older

1210
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 4: than me, so I just don't really know how I

1211
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 4: can come to terms with the fact that an NFL

1212
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 4: head coach would.

1213
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: Be since he's twenty years that I feel the same way.

1214
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, But yeah, Dables who I would go with there.

1215
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 4: Just a guy that we've seen have success there offensively

1216
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 4: and a guy who you know, Josh Allen likes and trust.

1217
01:01:59,040 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 4: That's who I would go with.

1218
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: It's amazing because I think it would be such the

1219
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: safe play, but.

1220
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Speaker 3: It would be safe.

1221
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: But then you're like, how safe after the disaster that

1222
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: was the New York Giants? You know?

1223
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 3: Oh man, well, I mean go is he going to

1224
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 3: have to chase Josh into the blue tent? Yeah? That

1225
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 3: was the disaster. My big thing is I'd like the

1226
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Speaker 3: shopping browser history of the next week of Dan Byer.

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Speaker 1: I'll come back with a report. I'll be in San

1228
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: Francisco for the game on a media credential, and we'll

1229
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: be there during the week, so we'll check back in.

1230
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 1: We'll do some episodes from the super Bowl as well

1231
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: and have some fun with that. But everything is so

1232
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: overpriced that it's probably not going to be as long

1233
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: of a receipt as you would have thought. I'll tell

1234
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: you what. Twenty years ago, my goodness, when the Seahawks

1235
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: first made it, I never thought that ever'd be back,

1236
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: and so I loaded up as much as I could.

1237
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: But now I got to be smart. So it's all

1238
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: gonna be stuffed for a four year old, that's what

1239
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. Alright. Well, we'll end it there two

1240
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,959
Speaker 1: weeks to talk about Super Bowl and so much more

1241
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: coaching jobs and whatnot, So we aren't going anywhere, so

1242
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: we appreciate you always listening for Ian, Roddy and Mike Carmon.

1243
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm Dan Beyer. We'll talk to you next time, and

1244
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: I want your flex