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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I've been down on

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Speaker 1: my luck before. I've had hard times, just like everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying something that's unique. We've all had tough times.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that at the end of the day

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Speaker 1: that they're going to help you. I don't mean help

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Speaker 1: maybe some wise counsel, particularly as it applies to the

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Speaker 1: older members of your family. But today on Body Bags,

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Speaker 1: I want to explore case that that's quite chilling because

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Speaker 1: it involves a man quite literally destroyed his family and

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Speaker 1: actually a person that lived right next door to him. Today,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the bizarre case side of

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma involving a man who committed a triple homicide and

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Speaker 1: in addition to that, engaged and probably one of the

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Speaker 1: most horrendous things that any human can engage in cannibalism.

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about homicides committed by Lawrence Anderson.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybags. It's a

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Speaker 1: well worn phrase. I never ceased to be amazed. I

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Speaker 1: just made that up, Dave Mac.

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Speaker 2: Pretty impressive, actually that is.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it. That just came to mind for me. Joining

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Speaker 1: me is my buddy Dave Mac. He's a senior crime

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Speaker 1: reporter with Crime Online. Dave. I hate to lay this

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Speaker 1: one at your feet, man, but I got to tell

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Speaker 1: you I came across it, and I just I had

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Speaker 1: to discuss it here on bodybags because this from a

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Speaker 1: forensic standpoint, I think that this case has a lot

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Speaker 1: mind of a very very disturbed individual.

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Speaker 2: The criminally insane. It's a term we hear. I don't

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Speaker 2: you mentioned it in the opening was horrific and tore

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Speaker 2: a lifelong criminal. Just to get that right off the table,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it's important that people understand Dave. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: The guy we're talking about is Lawrence Paul Anderson. To

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Speaker 2: that goes back many years. He actually got out of

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Speaker 2: crack cocaine dealer. He has a laundry list of crimes

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Speaker 2: He was freed when they were commuting sentences to free

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Speaker 2: up room in the prisons in Oklahoma. He was actually

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Speaker 2: not eligible for the commutation sentence, but it happened anyway.

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Speaker 2: A grand jury investigation was called in based on what

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Speaker 1: There was an old police officer I used to work with,

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Speaker 1: and isn't it By doing that you're going to release

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Speaker 1: It knocked the breath out of me. When I read this,

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Speaker 2: Actually, this guy has a history from drug distribution and

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Speaker 2: I said he was living with his aunt and uncle.

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Speaker 2: He put that address down as his actual physical address

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Speaker 1: You know, he had an involvement with drugs. He's used PCP,

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Speaker 1: you really wonder, well, what kind of assessment Because obviously

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Speaker 1: They selected these individuals, So what was it about this

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Speaker 2: Lawrence Paul Anderson is forty four now. This happened February

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Speaker 2: ninth of twenty twenty one. His aunt and uncle Leon Pie,

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Speaker 2: There was nobody on the line. Delsey Pie had called

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Speaker 2: somebody en route to make sure everything's okay. That evening,

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Speaker 2: Lawrence Anderson had walked next door to the home of

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Speaker 2: their neighbor, forty one year old Andrea Blankenship. They didn't

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Speaker 2: that Andrea Blankenship was Lawrence Anderson's first victim. He went

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Speaker 1: I can't actually say that. In my experience, I have

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Speaker 1: I've worked dismemberments. I've even had peripheral experience with a

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Speaker 1: Miss Blankenship, was traumatized in her home. You had mentioned

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Speaker 2: I said he was bashing it with his shoulder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just driving it into it. You can imagine someone

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Speaker 1: We'd make a note of that. And also if the

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Speaker 1: He's looking for tools. You mentioned there's a bloody tree

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Speaker 2: Sometimes when we have a horrific story like this, there

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Speaker 2: What you just said even gets worse. Apparently, sometime during

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Speaker 2: Dlsey Pie said that he thought I was dead. God

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Speaker 1: When you're looking at a suspect like this, when the

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Speaker 1: he would have had commingled samples all over him. There

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Speaker 1: You know what that indicates to me. That indicates to

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Speaker 1: The nature of the coccacts itself. It's very robust. And

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Speaker 1: or about the ninth day of February and twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: I also committed the crime of maiming with the intentional

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Speaker 1: just read, Dave, it doesn't give you the full brunt

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Speaker 1: repeatedly vomiting into pillows that they had there at the scene.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's an admission of guilt per

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Speaker 1: se as the court would use as a standard However,

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Speaker 1: I think that there's obviously some kind of physiological response

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Speaker 2: What do you think, David, I think it's exactly what

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Speaker 2: you're saying. He was reacting to what he is just done,

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Speaker 2: and they took him to the hospital because they weren't

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Speaker 2: sure what had happened. He went to the hospital with

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Speaker 2: his aunt dlsey Pie, and it was at the hospital

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Speaker 2: two days later he was still being treated that he

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Speaker 2: admitted what had happened. And by the way, I also

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Speaker 2: killed my neighbor.

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Speaker 1: And that's a big reveal I think for the police,

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Speaker 1: because they had no awareness that miss Blinkenship was. You know,

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Speaker 1: why can you imagine you show up at the scene,

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Speaker 1: you see this guy throwing up into pillows and all

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Speaker 1: this sort of thing. You've got this just mayhem that

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Speaker 1: they had walked into. And I really wonder when they

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Speaker 1: were working the scene if they saw evidence of a

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Speaker 1: heart at the scene, and what did they make of

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Speaker 1: that at that time? Did they think that the heart

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Speaker 1: was perhaps from an animal. It's hard to say because

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Speaker 1: when you take a look anatomically at a heart dependent

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Speaker 1: upon the species, it's kind of difficult to tell the difference. Say,

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Speaker 1: for instance, if you've got someone that there are people

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Speaker 1: that eat the hearts of hog's hog anatomy from an

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Speaker 1: anatomical standpoint is not going to look a lot different, say,

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Speaker 1: for instance, from human. And if the heart has been

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Speaker 1: dissected out, perhaps has been cut up into little bits,

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Speaker 1: there's no way to really make sense of it. They

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Speaker 1: had stated that he was actively cooking, so that's going

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Speaker 1: to change the appearance as well. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: that you can totally blame the police for not noticing this.

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Speaker 1: They probably thought at that moment, Tom that they were

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Speaker 1: dealing with a family event that had occurred. Miss Pie

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Speaker 1: she was certainly in no state to give a statement.

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Speaker 1: Probably at that time she's literally had her eye gouged

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Speaker 1: out and she's got multiple broken bones in her body.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine she would be in any state to

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Speaker 1: give them any kind of statement. What would have compelled

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Speaker 1: him at that moment toime to have a clearing of

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Speaker 1: his conscience? And I don't know that his conscience was

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Speaker 1: necessarily cleared, But why would he just spontaneously make this

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Speaker 1: admission that he had actually killed missus Blankenshaw. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that. We'll obviously get a reason again that goes

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Speaker 1: back to the why. We'll never understand why in this case, Dave,

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Speaker 1: I do know this. I know that this is a

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Speaker 1: case that is going to mark this little community for

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Speaker 1: generations to come. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is

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Speaker 1: Bodybacks