WEBVTT - How the Hoover Dam Works, Part II

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<v Speaker 1>should know, a production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles w.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Brian, there's Jerry over there. And this is part

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<v Speaker 1>due the sequel of Hoover Damn. Let's find out what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the last thing I said was they

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<v Speaker 1>poured the last bucket of concrete on and the end,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's do listener mail. Okay, I'm getting definitely worth

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<v Speaker 1>the two part um. Okay, Chuck. So they poured the

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<v Speaker 1>last bucket of concrete, they grouded everything off, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, you now have one solid sheet of damn, Hoover, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>and um. At the bottom, it's much much wider than

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<v Speaker 1>it is at the top. It's like six plus feet

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom, that's how wide it is. At the

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<v Speaker 1>top is forty five, which still feels substantial. And indeed

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<v Speaker 1>it's enough to have a two lane highway going over it,

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<v Speaker 1>and for a very long time, for sixty something years,

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<v Speaker 1>I've leave that was how you got um from Arizona

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<v Speaker 1>to Las Vegas. You had to drive over the Hoover

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<v Speaker 1>dam on top of it, which seems just about as

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<v Speaker 1>bone headed as it gets. But I guess they were.

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<v Speaker 1>They were They really wanted the gift shop money from

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<v Speaker 1>everybody they could get their hands on. Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cool to have been forced to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>because whether you liked it or not, you were gonna

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<v Speaker 1>see an amazing thing. Um. But eventually, like you, like

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<v Speaker 1>you were hinting at, traffic just picked up and picked

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<v Speaker 1>up and they're like, you know what, this isn't great

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<v Speaker 1>to have all these cars um driving over this thing

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<v Speaker 1>every day. So let's build a bridge. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do. Let's build the longest concrete gravity arch bridge

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<v Speaker 1>on in North America. Which is appropriate because again, if

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<v Speaker 1>you take a gravity arch bridge and lay it on

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<v Speaker 1>its side, you've got basically the Hoover Dam right there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it spans over a thousand feet about a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>sixty feet of the Black Canyon, just south of the

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<v Speaker 1>old Route, nine feet above the canyon. Have you been

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<v Speaker 1>to this bridge? Yeah, it's cool, Like I have driven

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<v Speaker 1>over that bridge since I visited the damn itself in

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six. And you get a great view from up there, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you do. You also get to experience the most terror

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<v Speaker 1>you can possibly experience on a bridge because the railing

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<v Speaker 1>is like less than five ft tall. There's no big barrier,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no nuts, there's no nothing. It's just void right

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side. It's so scary. But yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>view is is unparalleled. I don't think you can walk

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<v Speaker 1>across it, though, can you Yes, you can, Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea. Oh yeah, there's a no, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>pedestrian walkway and the railing is less than five ft.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't notice that. Oh yeah, that's that's why you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't terrified. You you walk across this thing and it

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<v Speaker 1>is so scary. Oh my gosh, it's scary. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>really really amazing, like the most amazing views of Hoover

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<v Speaker 1>dam Um. Prior to the bridge opening. We're all done

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<v Speaker 1>like from about this vantage point by helicopter. Now, any

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<v Speaker 1>smoke can just walk out there, just park and walk

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<v Speaker 1>and and see it yourself, and it's pretty amazing. You

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<v Speaker 1>see all sorts of rainbows. We saw a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>rainbows while we were there, because the water is flowing

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<v Speaker 1>out of the damn outlets and um, the sun shining

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<v Speaker 1>and there's just rainbows. Like you can't you can't throw

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<v Speaker 1>a rock and not hit a rainbow around there. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Bob mould would end up writing a great song, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>after being inspired by a visit. There a rainbow connection. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he Bob Moulden remember Sugar sure and Whisker do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but Sugar was his band in the early nineties. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a great song called Hoover dam I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>not standing on the edge of the Hoover Damn. That's

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<v Speaker 1>such a good bob mole. So March one, believe it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, they finished this thing under budget two years

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of schedule. Um, yeah, I want to say something

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<v Speaker 1>about that real quick. Remember they called Frank crow the

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who was running was the project manager for

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. Crow. They called him hurry up Crow's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So he um made the company eight million dollars. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>how they bid the thing out at just twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>grand over cost. By coming in under budget and that early,

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<v Speaker 1>they saved eight million dollars. So he was he was

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<v Speaker 1>quite the hero for the corporate overlords, old slow money bags.

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<v Speaker 1>Crow right. So finally the moment comes, and I can't

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<v Speaker 1>imagine what this must have been like, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to release that Colorado River that had been on hold,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll not on hold, but flowing in a different place

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<v Speaker 1>all those years, back into that original route. And all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden you have Lake Mead, the Lake Mead Reservoir.

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<v Speaker 1>It is um a hundred and ten miles stretching a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ten miles upstream from the Hoover Dam and

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<v Speaker 1>attracts ten million people a year two water, ski and

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<v Speaker 1>sun and boat and do fun things. Yeah. Because again

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<v Speaker 1>it was the designated as the nation's first national recreation area, recreation, recreation, recreation. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the biggest reservoir in the world and um, which

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<v Speaker 1>is saying something because there's some gigant or reservoirs out there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this one is one point to four trillion cubic feet.

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<v Speaker 1>They so there's so much water in their chuck that

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<v Speaker 1>they measure it by acre feet, which is how much

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<v Speaker 1>water it takes to flood an acre a square acre

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<v Speaker 1>of land. And there's something like twenty eight million acre

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<v Speaker 1>feet in in Lake Mead at its capacity. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of flooded acres. As a matter of fact, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty eight million square flooded acres of water right there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of water. Yeah, And like me decide

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<v Speaker 1>we should probably go over some of them, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the stats for Hoover Damn itself, because it's it's done now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the um at the time was the tallest damn

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<v Speaker 1>in the world by more than three feet um seven

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<v Speaker 1>six ft from the canyon floor. And now it is

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<v Speaker 1>the second tallest still the second tallest concrete gravity damn

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, behind the Araville Dam in California,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't know if you looked at that, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's no Hoover dam Oh is it schlubby? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine. Looks like a big giant slipping slide. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got this huge ramp. Yeah, it's fun. But again, Bob

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<v Speaker 1>Mule didn't write a song called the Araville Damn. Can

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<v Speaker 1>I hear a little snippet of it? If you have

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<v Speaker 1>no no, no, no no, just just play the first

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<v Speaker 1>one again and I'll do this. Aura Ville's so good

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<v Speaker 1>Today Hoover Dame is still uh second in the country

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<v Speaker 1>in power production and ranks eleventh in the world in

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<v Speaker 1>power production. It's second in the country still for power. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for power production. Wow, that's that's that's crazy and the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest until nine when the Grand Coulee hydro electric Dam

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<v Speaker 1>in the Columbia River in Washington State took it over, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But so that there and there's still one and two

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<v Speaker 1>I guess then is the thing that's right. But what's craziest,

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<v Speaker 1>So the hydro electric power from the Hoover Dam generates

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<v Speaker 1>like four billion kilowatt hours annually. Okay, that that must

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<v Speaker 1>be like enough to power the entire US. That's actually

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<v Speaker 1>not the case at all. Um, it's about I believe

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<v Speaker 1>quarter or a five of the annual power consumption of

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<v Speaker 1>just Los Angeles County, just Los Angeles. Um, it's about

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<v Speaker 1>a of it, but so sure, and it is having

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<v Speaker 1>a significant impact. I read that if they stopped producing

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<v Speaker 1>electricity at the Hoover Dam, everyone in California and the

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<v Speaker 1>Southwest power bills would go up by like a month.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty substantial. Um, but it's it's still I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm saying like I'm surprised it's the number

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<v Speaker 1>two guy on the block. Still. Yeah. They the way

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<v Speaker 1>they distribute it to is, Um, California gets about almost

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<v Speaker 1>fifty of the power. Uh, Nevada, Nevada, they both get,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Arizona gets about close to n Did they

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<v Speaker 1>split that yeah, Nevada, Nevada. Yeah, Yeah, but that's only

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three or fifty seventy three. That's still not I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder where if the rest where the rest goes downstream

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<v Speaker 1>the power? Yeah, well no, always so you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the power of the water. The power. Oh, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>because I wonder how much of that operates the damn itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't be that much. I mean, that's a lot left over.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not really sure. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of where that that phantom electricity goest Chuck, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about another extraordinarily foresightful um part of

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<v Speaker 1>this project. Do you remember when they diverted the river

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<v Speaker 1>in those four tunnels around the damn project site? What

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<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about? Well, let's go back. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go back and replay the entire episode real quick,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll be in there somewhere. So, so they diverted

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<v Speaker 1>the river so they could build the dam, and they

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<v Speaker 1>saved those those tunnels. They didn't just like cover them

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<v Speaker 1>up and say forget you, we don't need you anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, no, no, no, we can actually use you

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. So one on each side is now

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<v Speaker 1>called the penn stock. It's a it's they they've been

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<v Speaker 1>um encased in steel and then um narrow rowed from

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<v Speaker 1>fifty ft to thirty ft in diameter, which is still

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<v Speaker 1>pretty substantial, and they use those to send water from

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<v Speaker 1>the lake mead to the power station turbines on either side,

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<v Speaker 1>the Nevada side and the Arizona side, and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>the hydroelectric power is is generated. So they use the

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<v Speaker 1>diversion tunnels to generate the hydroelectric power. Now, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>amazing the water falls into these things. Uh go down

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<v Speaker 1>about five feet into this power station, which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>part of the tour is you get to go down

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<v Speaker 1>into the bowels. We miss that, which is kind of neat. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't about the word bowels just turned you off,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why did um. So it falls about five

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<v Speaker 1>feet into the power station. Uh, it's flowing here at

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<v Speaker 1>about two thousand cubic feet between two and three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>cubic feet per second, And anyone who knows what hydro

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<v Speaker 1>electric power means, all you're doing is using that water

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<v Speaker 1>to spin turbine and connect that to a power generator

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, Arizona, Nevada, and California are

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<v Speaker 1>getting juice, right, which is pretty ingenious because if you

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<v Speaker 1>think about it, when when that water is flowing from

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<v Speaker 1>Lake me down these um these pen stocks to the turbines,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not using any pumps or anything like that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all just gravity um sending it over like a six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred feet drop and what did you say? It was

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<v Speaker 1>like two thousand to three thousand cubic feet per second,

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<v Speaker 1>So that chuck is a lot of water. That is

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<v Speaker 1>a tremendous amount of water, so much so that converted

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<v Speaker 1>into big Max per second. You're talking eighty nine thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and sixty seven big Max per second if

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<v Speaker 1>you're moving water to two thousand cubic feet per second.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's actually accurate based on the dimensions of big

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<v Speaker 1>MACA did the calculation. That's how many big Max would

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<v Speaker 1>be flying past you in a second if if it

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<v Speaker 1>were big Max instead of water they were sending down

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<v Speaker 1>there the other stat which staggers me and uh, because

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, like, there's no way Julia actually figured

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<v Speaker 1>out the horse power of this whole thing, and she

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<v Speaker 1>did well, she found someone who did, and this thing

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<v Speaker 1>can crank out almost three million horsepower combined. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of horse power, but I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to like put it in other terms, like how many

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<v Speaker 1>how many trains is that We'll just think about standing uh,

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a desert and seeing three million

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<v Speaker 1>horses charging at you. It's a lot of horsepower. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of horses. It is so the way that

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<v Speaker 1>the water gets from Lake Mead down to the turbines,

0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's all very much control. And the way

0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.960
<v Speaker 1>they control it is if you ever go to the

0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Hoover Dam, just on the Lake Mead side of the dam,

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<v Speaker 1>there these four towers that rise out of the water,

0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and those towers have gates that can be opened and

0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.800
<v Speaker 1>closed to let water in. And those are the gates

0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.440
<v Speaker 1>that let the water and that send it to the

0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:15.320
<v Speaker 1>pen socks down in into to power the turbines and

0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.319
<v Speaker 1>the power stations, apparently to the tune of three million

0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.360
<v Speaker 1>horse power. It is amazing. Again, all of this if

0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:23.920
<v Speaker 1>you step back and just kind of look at it

0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.320
<v Speaker 1>as a kid, you're like, yeah, put a hole here

0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.880
<v Speaker 1>to make the water go there, to make the turbine spin.

0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.680
<v Speaker 1>It's really simple in a lot of ways. But the

0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.720
<v Speaker 1>amount of ingenuousness it took to actually execute it, that's

0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:41.240
<v Speaker 1>where the chef's kiss lines. All right, let's take a

0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.640
<v Speaker 1>break here and uh, we're gonna come back and talk

0:14:44.680 --> 0:15:18.800
<v Speaker 1>about uh spill ways right after this. Alright, chuck. So

0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.880
<v Speaker 1>they used two of the four diversion tunnels to feed

0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:28.160
<v Speaker 1>the turbines to generate hydroelectric power that leaves to other ones.

0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.280
<v Speaker 1>And I know they didn't just forget about those what

0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.400
<v Speaker 1>are they using those four? And this is sort of

0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.240
<v Speaker 1>the final component here, because what they had to do was, Um,

0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, when this thing is working great, which it

0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.480
<v Speaker 1>almost always has, we'll get to that in a second. Um,

0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.640
<v Speaker 1>everything's awesome. People are getting power, people are waterskiing on

0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Lake Mead. Um, people are getting water, Crops are getting water,

0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.720
<v Speaker 1>cows are drinking water. Everybody's happy. But they did have

0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.960
<v Speaker 1>to think about the fact that the Colorado River used

0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.840
<v Speaker 1>to be quite a bear and may get angry again

0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.040
<v Speaker 1>one day, or this thing may fail one day. So

0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.640
<v Speaker 1>we need to think about what happens if something does

0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.320
<v Speaker 1>go wrong, whether it's a flood or the system breaks

0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:13.440
<v Speaker 1>down or something. So they thought ahead and they they

0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.920
<v Speaker 1>set up what we're called spill ways. They can actually

0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:21.400
<v Speaker 1>divert once again, all that water into those two outer tunnels,

0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.960
<v Speaker 1>uh that are now referred to as spill ways. But

0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:30.040
<v Speaker 1>this is downstream, right right, so not the upstream tunnels

0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that are being used UH for the flibbertyg of its.

0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen a fish ladder? Surely you have, Yeah,

0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:41.200
<v Speaker 1>we've I think we've even talked about them on something before. Yeah.

0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:45.040
<v Speaker 1>That's basically like an upstream spill way. Yeah, okay, So

0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.280
<v Speaker 1>this is the opposite that's sending it down, and it's

0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it's it's the exact same principle and almost the exact

0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.600
<v Speaker 1>same design as that little overflow hole that you have

0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.760
<v Speaker 1>in your sink. So like you you can't flood your

0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.960
<v Speaker 1>bathroom because eventually, if that water or level hits that hole,

0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.080
<v Speaker 1>it's just going to go into the hole and down

0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the drain. Anyway, this is the exact same thing. So

0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:12.639
<v Speaker 1>they utilize those remaining two um diversion tunnels as the spillways,

0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.320
<v Speaker 1>and they didn't lower them at all. Remember they reduced

0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the other ones to like thirty ft from fifty ft.

0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.800
<v Speaker 1>These are still fifty ft spill ways lined with like

0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:25.080
<v Speaker 1>three ft of concrete. But they follow very similar trajectories

0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.480
<v Speaker 1>where you know, the water hits a certain level on

0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.360
<v Speaker 1>like a flood or whatever, and it goes through these

0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.680
<v Speaker 1>spill ways and then it drops several hundred feet I

0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.800
<v Speaker 1>think six hundred feet, which is a lot for a

0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:38.919
<v Speaker 1>lot of water to drop. It starts to pick up

0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.680
<v Speaker 1>a pretty pretty high velocity, and then it it all

0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.280
<v Speaker 1>spills out of these gates a little further downstream beyond

0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:51.120
<v Speaker 1>the hydroelectric plants, and everybody's saved and happy and nothing. No,

0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.439
<v Speaker 1>no waters ever meant to go over the top of

0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.479
<v Speaker 1>the Hoover Dam. If that ever happened, that would be

0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.440
<v Speaker 1>colossally bad. It's never designed to do that. Um, it

0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.000
<v Speaker 1>probably never will do that. Even if humans suddenly just

0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:10.159
<v Speaker 1>vanish overnight, the spillways would probably still work. But um,

0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.240
<v Speaker 1>that's what it's designed for. Is designed to just get

0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.080
<v Speaker 1>rid of that water and reroute it, basically like they

0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.919
<v Speaker 1>rerouted the Colorado River, but this time they're rerouting it

0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.399
<v Speaker 1>around the power stations which would be swamped with that

0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.840
<v Speaker 1>much water. Yeah, and they don't let it's it's not

0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:25.600
<v Speaker 1>like they were like, all right, if this gets within

0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.840
<v Speaker 1>like three or four feet, we're gonna take action. If

0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.720
<v Speaker 1>it gets to within they said it at twenty seven feet.

0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.840
<v Speaker 1>So if the water rises for any reason to within

0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.040
<v Speaker 1>that twenty seven feet to the top of where those

0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:42.359
<v Speaker 1>cards are driving, the spillway gates open up, uh, and

0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.159
<v Speaker 1>it diverts that water and the dam uh is not

0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.240
<v Speaker 1>able to breach, which like you said, would be catastrophic.

0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.360
<v Speaker 1>It let's out a big huray uh. And the good

0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.600
<v Speaker 1>news is the system, that outlet system has never failed

0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.359
<v Speaker 1>uh and it's only had to be used twice once

0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:03.720
<v Speaker 1>for the test in one and then in nineteen eighty three.

0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.560
<v Speaker 1>It was actually a flood that got within that caused

0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.280
<v Speaker 1>that river to go up within twenty seven feet and

0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.280
<v Speaker 1>they opened up that spillway, which I imagine there was

0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:15.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was probably kind of scary, but they

0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.880
<v Speaker 1>were probably some engineers that were pretty excited to get

0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.800
<v Speaker 1>to use those spillways finally, Yeah, because they I mean,

0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.440
<v Speaker 1>you would have had to have been an old time

0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.520
<v Speaker 1>or to have been there for the nineteen forty one

0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.880
<v Speaker 1>test by the time three came around. So I'm sure

0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.119
<v Speaker 1>all these people wanted to see this because they they

0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.920
<v Speaker 1>had never seen it work before, and they also wanted

0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.320
<v Speaker 1>to know if it did work. And it definitely worked.

0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was it wasn't a drill like one.

0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.400
<v Speaker 1>It was a straight up flood like this is what

0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.840
<v Speaker 1>it was designed for, and it worked just fine. Yeah.

0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.240
<v Speaker 1>But both times during the test and during that flood,

0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.640
<v Speaker 1>those spill ways suffered some some damage. So let's talk

0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:55.120
<v Speaker 1>about the um the failures that have happened over the years. Right.

0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.960
<v Speaker 1>So in those those first few years, when everyone was

0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.360
<v Speaker 1>still kind of biting their nails a little bit, there

0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.199
<v Speaker 1>were there were a couple of problems. Um Air bubbles

0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:07.760
<v Speaker 1>formed in these spill ways and seepage, like water started

0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.480
<v Speaker 1>seeping under the base of the dam, which is not

0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.240
<v Speaker 1>good at all. No, and those are actually two different things,

0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.680
<v Speaker 1>so both we'll start with the the um air bubbles, right.

0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.480
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's called cavitation. And when the spill ways

0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.720
<v Speaker 1>were used, both in that ninety one test and in

0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:30.360
<v Speaker 1>the actual flood, when that water, that huge, huge amounts

0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of water fell, you know, six hundred feet down to

0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.879
<v Speaker 1>the elbow of the spill way that led it the

0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.760
<v Speaker 1>rest of the way out to the river um when

0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:45.000
<v Speaker 1>it hit, when it impacted. By that time, these things

0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:50.960
<v Speaker 1>called cavitations, a little like bubbles of vapor had formed

0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.560
<v Speaker 1>in the water column. And these things were so strong

0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.000
<v Speaker 1>that when they collapsed they had enough force that they

0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:00.879
<v Speaker 1>could like shatter concrete. So when this the spill test

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:02.840
<v Speaker 1>was done, the spell way test, and then when the

0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.959
<v Speaker 1>flood was over, and the spell ways were turned off.

0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.720
<v Speaker 1>They went and investigated. There were huge chunks of concrete missing.

0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.280
<v Speaker 1>The water had just sheared it away like it was nothing.

0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.480
<v Speaker 1>And the cavitation is still not really fully understood. It's

0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:20.399
<v Speaker 1>part of like a really um infrequent unusual occurrence like that,

0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.080
<v Speaker 1>like water typically doesn't flow that fast on Earth over

0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, a man made structure, so it's not like

0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.600
<v Speaker 1>something we have to worry about. But they figured out

0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:32.560
<v Speaker 1>that if you insert aer raiders or air ducts something

0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:36.560
<v Speaker 1>to insert air into that water to kind of lessen

0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:40.800
<v Speaker 1>the blow kind of pad or pillow the the impact

0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:44.800
<v Speaker 1>of those cavitations collapsing, it can protect concrete. And so

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.080
<v Speaker 1>after one they didn't really know what they were doing

0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:52.399
<v Speaker 1>after somebody had figured out aeration by that time, and

0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:54.640
<v Speaker 1>so they installed them right afterwards. And as far as

0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.159
<v Speaker 1>I know, they haven't tested it to see if it works,

0:21:57.200 --> 0:21:59.720
<v Speaker 1>but in other places it's been shown to work, so

0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I think gets a pretty safe bat that if those

0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.840
<v Speaker 1>overflow spill ways have to be used again, they probably

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:09.560
<v Speaker 1>won't cavitate because of the aeration that was inserted into

0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the spill ways. Now, yeah, well, I actually saw in

0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.800
<v Speaker 1>forty one they knew that they could do this with

0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.200
<v Speaker 1>air ducks, but the government wouldn't pony up for the money.

0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh is there right, Yeah, they denied the funds. And

0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 1>uh it took until that flood of eighty three when

0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.959
<v Speaker 1>it happened again, when the government was like, all right,

0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll pay for this stuff. Fine, Hoover's ghost came out

0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.480
<v Speaker 1>for the don't get involved. It's not the government's job

0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:40.520
<v Speaker 1>to pay for broken concrete. So, um, this seepage was

0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the other was the other sort of engineering failure, and

0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:45.359
<v Speaker 1>we should, you know, we need to point out that

0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.040
<v Speaker 1>this thing is performed really, really well, Like none of

0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:51.280
<v Speaker 1>these failures broke the damn. You know, that's a really

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.440
<v Speaker 1>good point, and I think it's definitely worth pointing out.

0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Like the spill waves those were huge you know where

0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.920
<v Speaker 1>where and tear that that probably shouldn't have happened in

0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.800
<v Speaker 1>probably won't again. But yeah, the whole system still worked. Yeah.

0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:06.600
<v Speaker 1>So if you have a damn like this, Um, the

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:11.199
<v Speaker 1>stability of this whole thing relies on keeping all that

0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.439
<v Speaker 1>water out. So any seepage under the base of that

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 1>damn is not good. It's gonna cause uplift pressure that's

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:23.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna shift the whole foundation, and this grout uh basically

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.199
<v Speaker 1>was was failing. Um, a grout curtain is going to

0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 1>prevent the seepage. So they were pressure injecting all this

0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 1>grout into these holes trying to fill cavities, but it, uh,

0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 1>it was not and they were getting some seepage in there. Well,

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:42.960
<v Speaker 1>they did a really poor job of geological exploration before

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.560
<v Speaker 1>they ever started the project. Yeah, that was the main

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 1>issue there. So, like the same grout that they they

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.679
<v Speaker 1>introduced into those cooling pipes after they were finished building

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the actual damn itself, they were they were introducing that

0:23:56.480 --> 0:24:00.439
<v Speaker 1>into these holes they drilled to kind of fill those cracks, crevices, faults,

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.400
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff that's in the bedrock. Because normally, when

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 1>the Colorado rivers flowing chuck, it's like it's fine, it's

0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 1>allowed to keep going and it doesn't try to get

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 1>anywhere aside from the river bed. But when it runs

0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 1>into the dam, then it's got issues. The water wants

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.240
<v Speaker 1>to go somewhere, right, Yeah, that's what water does. It

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 1>wants to go somewhere, So it starts to find those

0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:24.119
<v Speaker 1>little cracks and crevices and faults, and when it fills

0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:27.159
<v Speaker 1>up enough of them, it can actually lift up the dam,

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and that's what it was doing, it was lifting up

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 1>the dam. So they went back and drilled more holes

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and added even more grout and basically created this barrier.

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 1>So you've got the barrier that's the dam, and then

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 1>you have the barrier that's this grout reinforced bedrock, you know,

0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of feet down into the earth. So now the

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.600
<v Speaker 1>water just gives up and does what it's told. Yeah,

0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I love that they they really went overboard there and

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:58.639
<v Speaker 1>like an additional three feet underground with this grout. But

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:03.200
<v Speaker 1>imagine being like the dam is actually lifting up, it's

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 1>starting to float. That is the exact opposite of what

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:09.440
<v Speaker 1>you want to go on with your damn. Yeah, for sure,

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.879
<v Speaker 1>because apparently on the on the face of the damn,

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the um upstream face, the water pressing up against it

0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 1>like meat, is over a hundred miles long. It's an

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>enormous amount of water and it's being held back by

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 1>this one slab of concrete. And I guess I think

0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Julius said it was like forty five thousand pounds per

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.959
<v Speaker 1>square feet of pressure pressing up against the damn at

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 1>all times. So yeah, that that um that's a that's

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 1>just Harry if you think about it, especially then if

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 1>you start to think about the that amount of that

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 1>amount of concrete like being lifted up by the water

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's just basically being moved out of the way,

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and they had to stop it in time. Alright, folks,

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:55.400
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take our last break. We're gonna come back

0:25:55.400 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>and finish up with part four, Part two of Hoover

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Damn right after this. All right, we're gonna bring it

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 1>home here with um or or we could keep talking

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 1>about it forever, uh, with a little bit on how

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:45.359
<v Speaker 1>um the Hoover Damn just really changed the United States

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 1>and especially the Southwest. UM Roosevelt Franklin Roosevelt dedicated the

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 1>damn on sept and man insult to injury. Former President

0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Herbert Hoover was not even on the guests list to

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 1>come from and see that dedication. No, do you mene

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 1>like four years after and he was the guy who

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>was the first champion of the whole thing too, I

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>mean like it was his project for sure. So uh,

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>that area, that region, it really changed everything, um aside

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.479
<v Speaker 1>from Boulder City becoming a real place, which is kind

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>of neat in Vegas growing. The whole region was allowed

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.440
<v Speaker 1>to flourish, um because well one big reason it's because

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 1>they tamed that Colorado River. No more flooding, right, Um,

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:36.439
<v Speaker 1>So no more flooding meant that you could actually have

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:42.640
<v Speaker 1>like a stable agricultural um industry, right yeah the area.

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.160
<v Speaker 1>It says here the region's crops and livestock account for

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>and of the entire country's production. Yeah, and they grow

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 1>so much like lettuce and cilancho and stuff that that

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:57.679
<v Speaker 1>regions now called America's salad bowl. Um. It's a huge, like,

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:00.880
<v Speaker 1>it has enormous amounts of production, and it never would

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.840
<v Speaker 1>have gotten to that that point had the Hoover damn

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 1>not produced like a steady, reliable supply of irrigation and

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>um done away with flooding. Like there's no more. There

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been a single flood from the Colorado River that's

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 1>affected any of the land in the area since the

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Hoover Dam came online. You know, when I lived in

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Yuma and I waited tables at Julianna's patio cafe, there

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>was this this dude, I can't remember his name, but

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:29.880
<v Speaker 1>this one guy that would bring in a bunch of

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 1>big money guys uh to eat every now and then,

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>like six or eight of them for these business dinners.

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>And he was a lettuce guy. Oh yeah, okay, And

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I just thought it was so funny growing up in

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta and never you know, thought about it. But he

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 1>all he did was grow let us in. If he

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>came in with his you know, six or eight buddies,

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 1>like you had to shut down and take that table

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 1>only like he expected you to only wait on your

0:28:56.600 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>table right. Well, there's some real lettuce in it for you,

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh there was. It was he a good tipper because

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times those guys are not well. It

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>was he always had a party big enough to where

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 1>the tip was included. Um. And he would usually give

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>you give you a little lettuce on top of that.

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>That's nice. Literally, here's a piece of romaine for you.

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>It's good for you, kid, and spank you on the

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 1>bottom as you were walking away down. Um. So the

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Hoover Dam changed everything, like Uh, places like Tucson, Arizona

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>would not even have been allowed to happen. Uh in

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas and l A booming like it did, um

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>thanks to the Hoover Dam. Like you said, no flooding

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>tons of production and everything is under control. One thing

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 1>they did have to worry about, well, we'll talk about

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>what they are worrying about now in a minute. But

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>one thing they did worry about then and then, like

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.719
<v Speaker 1>in World War two and again at nine eleven, was

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>the fact that it's a terror target because it so

0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 1>many places rely on this for water, the irrigation. That

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 1>if terrorist organization took out the Hoover Dam especially I

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 1>mean to be bad anytime, but especially in World War two,

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>it would have been catastrophic. Yeah, so I guess nineteen

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 1>thirty nine, the Mexican government let the American embassy in

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Mexico City know, hey, we just heard that the Germans

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 1>are planning on bombing Hoover Dam, and UM America was

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>like what, And they put up all these new safeguards

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and got military police to patrol the area. They installed

0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>floodlights on Lake Mead, they put up a steel net

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>so you couldn't get anywhere near the um, anywhere near

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the dam on the Lake Mead side because remember, I mean,

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 1>people are like boating and recreating on this um. So

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>they had to kind of keep people away from the

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>damn for the first time. And but they still kept

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>going on. You could still go visit and everything, and

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 1>then Pearl Harbor happened. Um, and they were like damns

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 1>closed and they closed the damn to the public for

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>the duration of the war, I think until like the

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 1>end of ninety five they finally opened it to the

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>public again. All because of the dirty Nazis. Yeah, man,

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and they um they did. The damn itself actually had

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 1>its own police force. Um. The Army of course came

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>in there to help out as well. But it was

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 1>a pretty big deal because not only are you disrupting

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>water and maybe flooding the valley, but the power supply

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>to southern California. There was a lot of aviation manu

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>still is a lot of aviation manufacturing in Southern California

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and for and I think that's what the Nazis were

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>really after, to disrupt the power supply to the aviation industry. Yeah,

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>because at the time America wasn't even in World War

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Two yet, but we were helping the British with the

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 1>aviation stuff we were building. So they were trying to

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>strike at the heart of British capabilities by blowing up

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 1>the Hoover Dam. There, unexpected the Nazis want to blow

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>up the Hoover dam and the US is like, what

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>did we do? We're not even in this so called

0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:00.479
<v Speaker 1>World war, right, Oh yeah, helping them? It's all right,

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 1>I got you. We're still not going to let you

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 1>do it, but now we understand. Uh. And then, of

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>course after nine eleven it was, um, there was a

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of fear that that could be a potential and

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>it still limbs as a potential terrorist target. Well that

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.479
<v Speaker 1>was one reason why they built the bridge, the bypass bridge,

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>was They're like, you know, this is just too vulnerable

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>letting people drive over it. And so from what I understand,

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>either after um the German bomb plot became evident or

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 1>after nine eleven, and I think it was after nine

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 1>eleven until that bridge opened up, when you drove over

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the Hoover damn you had to wait and it would

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>happen and I guess shifts, and you would be escorted

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>across by the police um in groups of cars, and

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>then you'd be you'd make your way to the other

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>side and they'd be like keep going, don't even look back,

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>or we'll arrest you. Um. And then that's how you

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>got across until they finally opened the bypass, which must

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>have been um up, but there are a lot of delays. Yeah,

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>probably so in that situation. So the current threat, aside

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>from that looming terror threat, is the fact that, uh,

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>there have been about sixteen years of drought in that area,

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>and uh it's scary. Man. Lake meat is not the same.

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean it is what it like a hundred and

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 1>fifty feet uh lower than it used to be then

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't two thousand and thirty feet. I mean that's amaze.

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>That's a huge, huge drop. Yeah, there's like a bathtub

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 1>ring high water mark. Now it's just the discoloration along

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the canyon walls where you can see where it used

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>to be, and it's really significant. And the problem is

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>when they built the dam, they built it so that

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 1>the the gates that um allow water down to the

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 1>pen socks to the hydro electric plant they cut off

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>at a certain height. After that the water is too

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>low to flow through the gates, and in you have

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 1>no hydro electric power. Same thing with the pipes that

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>pump water out to Las Vegas and Los Angeles and

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Tucson and everywhere else that gets water. Um, they're at

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>a certain height too, so once they I think, once

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 1>the water level hits like eight ft, there's no more

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>water that can be drawn out. And they actually got

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 1>around this by creating a new low level pumping system

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 1>to where they came in and went under the under

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Lake Mead and tapped into it and now just like

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>a bathtub drain at the bottom of a bathtub, there's

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>a pumping station so that that now they're not like, Okay,

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>we have eight water we can't get to to drink

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>from any longer. Now they're like, no, we can. We

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>can get to all the water we need to for

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:53.240
<v Speaker 1>um for drinking, which is a huge relief. That's a big,

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 1>big deal that they were able to do this. But

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, everyone's still very much aware that

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>they're like, we still have issues, like we're losing water

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>through evaporation and from um, you know, lower and lower

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.879
<v Speaker 1>snow accumulations up in the Rockies where all this water

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>comes from in the first place. Like there's a big

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>problem with climate change and it's having an enormous impact

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>on Lake Mead, and because all these areas you know,

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>depend on it for electricity and water, everybody's really freaked

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.799
<v Speaker 1>out right now, Yeah, so the the current proposition is

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 1>the l A Department of Water and Power. Um, they

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>have something on the table that it's basically like a loop,

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 1>a cycled loop system. They said, why don't we do

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a return path for that water. Put a huge pump station,

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 1>solar powered pump station downstream that's gonna then send water

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 1>and cycle it back up to the reservoir. And not

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>only that, I mean it's a pretty good idea. Um.

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Not only that, it would you could still you know,

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 1>you could enable more power generation and also create a

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 1>reserve of electricity for peak periods. So then all of

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.360
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, the Hoover Dam is like a big battery

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 1>essentially run by uh, solar power, right, which sounds great.

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, yeah, why why just let all that

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>water go when you're just generating hydroelectricity from it? You know,

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 1>put it back. But all the people who depend on

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:19.400
<v Speaker 1>that water down stream say, uh, we still need that water.

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.879
<v Speaker 1>You can't pump it back into Lake Mead. We need

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 1>that stuff like that's our water. Um. And that's part

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 1>of the problem with it, Chuck, is that there's so

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 1>many people who depend on this, not just from Hoover Dam,

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 1>but there's like multiple damns above Hoover Dam too. So

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people drawing water for all sorts

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 1>of different purposes. Um, from the Colorado River. That there's

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 1>just it seems to be too many. There's just too

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 1>many people. There's too many, there's too much need. And

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:53.360
<v Speaker 1>when you toss in climate change, uh and the impact

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>that the sixteen or nineteen your drought is having, it's, um,

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's a really precarious position right now that

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 1>they have not figured out. Yeah, pretty scary, man, it

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>is scary for sure. I got nothing else that is

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 1>surprising because there is a lot to talk about. I've

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:12.759
<v Speaker 1>got one more thing. So you said that, um that

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>uh FDR dedicated the place in right? Is that what

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 1>I said? I believe that's what you said. Everybody, Yeah,

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>that's what you said. So. Um. There is a sculptor

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>named Oscar J. W. Hanton And you know the the

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>winged Art Deco giant figures the statues that are there

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>on site. So he created those. And did you notice

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the Toronto floor the apron that's in front of those statues.

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. It's okay. So there are these two

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 1>giant art deco statues. They look kind of like the

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Oscar Award, but with wings and they're seated and um.

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>They're there to just basically commemorate this conquering of humanity

0:37:56.160 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 1>over you know nature. Um. But on the round in

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Toronto is a star map and it shows the exact

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:08.879
<v Speaker 1>position of the stars in the sky on that day

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>in when Hoover Dam was dedicated, So that future generations

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 1>to come, even if there's like no more Americans and

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>no one speaks English anymore, and this whole area has

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.400
<v Speaker 1>been abandoned, they could come back and find the Hoover

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Dam and the star map and calculate the exact day

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.840
<v Speaker 1>that it was dedicated, just based on the position of

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the stars and this Toronto floor and that neat. That's amazing,

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.879
<v Speaker 1>extra little touch there. Learn that on the self guided tour.

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 1>By the way, yep, if you want to know more

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 1>about the Hoover Dam, go go to the Hoover Dam.

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 1>We can talk about it all day long. We could

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>talk about it for two more episodes and it still

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't get across what it's like to be there. Uh.

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.839
<v Speaker 1>And since I said that it's time for listener mail,

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this. Uh uh, Well, we got something

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>wrong in deserts or Rival, which, by the way, we

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 1>got a lot of kudos that that perhaps maybe our

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.719
<v Speaker 1>funniest episode. That was great. It was a lot of fun. Yeah,

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 1>we're being silly that day. Those are always good. Hey, guys,

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 1>been an ABBOD listener for years. Can't thank you enough

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 1>for the countless hours of entertainment. Despite all the great

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 1>topics and education, I've never been tempted to write until today.

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>During your Desert Survival opening an immediate and hilariously enjoyable

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>left turn tangent Chuck, you mentioned your tribute to Annie

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:32.800
<v Speaker 1>with a reference to food Glorious Food. I feel so dumb.

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 1>That song is actually from Oliver, which I know. I

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.280
<v Speaker 1>know that everybody knows. You know that I know Annie

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and I know Oliver. Maybe they were friends. Could I

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>have school, please, Daddy war books? That's it. That's the

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>big line, um, he said. I thought you might get

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 1>a kick out of how I know this to be true.

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 1>When I was about eight or nine, my hometown did

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 1>a community production of Oliver and I was cast. What

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 1>part did you play? You may ask, Well, in the

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:05.720
<v Speaker 1>song food Glorious Food, there's a line that goes food,

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<v Speaker 1>glorious food, peas puddings, and save lois. What next is

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<v Speaker 1>the question, rich gentleman, habit boys indigestion. At the singing

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<v Speaker 1>of Indigestion, my role and shining moment of the performance

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<v Speaker 1>was to lean over while the tuba and the orchestra

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<v Speaker 1>pit let out a deep and juicy note. Yes that's

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<v Speaker 1>right everyone. I was in the credits as the flatulent orphan.

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<v Speaker 1>See you get that he bends over in the tuba

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<v Speaker 1>goes uh got it. Needless to say, guys, my life

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<v Speaker 1>peaked early. I will always be remembered for that song.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for all you do. That is Eddie in Denver, Colorado. Eddie,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a fantastic listener mail, good one, like a

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<v Speaker 1>award winning maybe, ye man, I mean, if you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>tuba farts, you've got my heart. Yeah you. Eddie just

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<v Speaker 1>got the Hoover Damn Award for listener Mails, the current

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<v Speaker 1>Hoover Damn Award older. So thanks for that good one.

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