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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal ll that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 1: for a day? Edith state is that woo woof? And

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Speaker 2: Welcome back the clabrebel boys and girls. My name is

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Speaker 2: Ty Hildebrand joining me is always over there and beautiful

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Speaker 2: yet wintry Chicago Land. The one and only Dan Rubinstein, Sir.

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Speaker 1: How you doing. I'm good? Define beautiful Chicago Land winter?

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Speaker 1: I mean exactly what you think it's like here. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. It's okay, it's a nice enough day.

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Speaker 1: The sun's out a little bit. I can't fully complain.

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Speaker 1: I was out and about. I went for a big

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Speaker 2: I guess I envision it like in the Winter Wonderland song,

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Speaker 2: Is it anything like that?

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Speaker 1: Not to my knowledge, no my notes. But the good

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Speaker 1: thing for all of us, Ty is we have a

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Speaker 1: large football game to warm all of our hearts and

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Speaker 1: We've got a big one.

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Speaker 2: It is the College Football Playoff National Championship Game. It

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Speaker 2: is played on Monday, January the eleventh, Hard Rock Stadium

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Speaker 2: in Miami, APM Eastern ESPN. We will go through all

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Speaker 2: the details of that game, break down it from like

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Speaker 2: a thousand different directions, and eventually give our predictions. But

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Speaker 2: before we go any further, don't forget to follow along.

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Speaker 1: I'm just grateful that we finally get a couple scrappy

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Speaker 1: underdogs in this game, ty clawing their way up to

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Speaker 1: Yeoman's work in the college football world. Yeah, absolutely, Actually,

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Speaker 1: How do you think like a ninth grader becomes a

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Speaker 1: And I'd always bugs me during NCAA tournament time, and

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Speaker 2: The merits of this football game are are exciting, and

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Speaker 2: I think the calculus of determining who is going to

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Speaker 1: Let's let's do it. Let's preview a large football game.

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Speaker 1: Dam do it one last time. Make some picks with me, Dan. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as we said, eight pm Eastern on Monday, January

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Speaker 2: the eleventh. It is Alabama as a seven and one

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Speaker 2: You're over under is seventy five and one half points.

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Speaker 2: Both teams come into this undefeated. Alabama twelve, and oh

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Speaker 2: approach this game from the perspective of can Ohio State win?

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Speaker 2: That was the question that we had about some other

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Speaker 2: In all of those discussions, I think we invented ways,

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Speaker 2: For me, it's always been less about console and so when,

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Speaker 1: It was the generating points for four quarters that was

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Speaker 1: and by the way, getting stops is relative too. Georgia

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Speaker 2: I went to it I had my first Cuban sandwich.

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Speaker 1: The general thoughts are. It's a fascinating matchup, both because

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Speaker 1: Nick Sabman has coached many more than that, and typically

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Speaker 2: Start here because we could break this down, like I said,

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Speaker 2: one obvious one out there. Please do which justin fields

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Speaker 2: that makes the whole thing go. It makes Trey Sermon

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Speaker 1: Obvious sets and minute made play for a stretch of

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Speaker 2: They need to have both Fields and Sermon working together.

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Speaker 1: If they're made to be one dimensional, which means that

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Speaker 1: I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: I think that's right, and I also think that's a

434
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Speaker 2: perfect segue into talking about Alabama on offense in their

435
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Speaker 2: own offensive line. Sure, Clemson's unit in the country, right,

436
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: Clemson was a different ball. Wax a week ago when

437
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: they square it off against Ohio State, we talked about

438
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: their issues up front. Bama doesn't have those issues. Bama

439
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: has the best offensive line in the country, and for them,

440
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: everything starts up front. They've been very good at protecting

441
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Speaker 2: Mac Jones at opening holes for Naji Harris when he

442
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Speaker 2: chooses to run and not fly.

443
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Speaker 1: And that, oh Man, that puts an opponent to a choice.

444
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Speaker 1: It really does.

445
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Speaker 2: You can drop a bunch of guys in coverage and

446
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: then they're gonna gash you up the middle, or you

447
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: can stack the box and then they're gonna pop you

448
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: over the top with Devonte Smith or you know John Metchi,

449
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: Jalen Wattle, who knows right, you have to find a

450
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Speaker 2: way to get pressure without blitzing. It's harder to do

451
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Speaker 2: that against Alabama than any other team in the country,

452
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Speaker 2: and I think it's harder for this Ohio State team

453
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Speaker 2: to do it than just a year ago because again,

454
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Speaker 2: while y'very good upfront, they don't have the pass rush

455
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Speaker 2: they did a year ago.

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Speaker 1: Dan, they don't have the pass rushing specialists or not specialists,

457
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Speaker 1: but they don't have the pass rusher who is who

458
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Speaker 1: will blind you in the way, you know, the Bosa

459
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Speaker 1: brothers or Sam Hubbard, Taekwon Lewis, certainly Chase Young. Last year,

460
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Speaker 1: They've had this long string of special special type dudes

461
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: that you have to account for, gravitational dudes up front.

462
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Speaker 1: There's talent there for sure, and what Larry Johnson did

463
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Speaker 1: with this unit ahead of the Oregon game, and it

464
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: still keeps me up nights, how good they were both collaping.

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Speaker 1: This is it. You know. The Oregon offensive line was

466
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Speaker 1: not this year's Alabama offensive line, but they were all

467
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Speaker 1: over the field. The linebackers were all over the field.

468
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: You couldn't do anything against them laterally, and I would

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Speaker 1: be pretty scared if I were. I mean, you should

470
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Speaker 1: be that scared you're an Alabama fan, but pretty scared

471
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Speaker 1: given the level of coaching up front between Greg Madison

472
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Speaker 1: and Larry Johnson. These are just guys who have succeeded

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Speaker 1: constantly up front. So I understand the trepidation if you're

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Speaker 1: an Ohio State fan. Given you you're blitzing more often

475
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Speaker 1: than you ever did. And it's a new full time

476
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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator and Kerry Combs with Jeff Hafley leaving, there's

477
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: a lot of newer pieces. Kevin Wilson has been in

478
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Speaker 1: this spot, by the way, on the other side of

479
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Speaker 1: the ball. He was there for Oklahoma as the offensive

480
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: coordinator way back when. Not a great performance from him,

481
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Speaker 1: But I digress. What Ohio State is able to do

482
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Speaker 1: against Najie Harris and what they are or are not

483
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: able to do enforcing third and longs is going to

484
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Speaker 1: be enormous. What Ohio State's defensive strategy is going to

485
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Speaker 1: be because we've seen teams tie all year long try

486
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Speaker 1: everything against this Alabama offense. We saw Arkansas, like I

487
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: think Barry otom drop back three dudes deep the whole game.

488
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: He was playing coverage in the entire game.

489
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Speaker 1: And all in all, they did all right in terms

490
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Speaker 1: of limiting those big plays which have been so killer

491
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Speaker 1: in favor of Alabama. I still lost fifty two to five,

492
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Speaker 1: they lost fifty two to three, but they held Alabama

493
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Speaker 1: to around two hundred yards passing. So give or take

494
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: which which poison are you picking here? And that's the

495
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: problem with Bama.

496
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Speaker 2: That's the problem You got to you gotta pick what's

497
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: going to kill you. You know, if you read Bruce

498
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: Feldman's article. According to The Athletic, some defensive coordinators say

499
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: the move is to just let Najie Harris kill you.

500
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Speaker 2: At least you don't get burnt by the big explosion

501
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: plays over the top. We'll take the running game, We'll

502
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: we'll we'll press our luck. I don't like I don't

503
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: see an obvious answer from the Ohio State side to

504
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: Bama's passing attack. I don't know if anybody has that

505
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: obvious answer, frankly, because they're so good, but Ohio State

506
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: is somewhat vulnerable in pass coverage. They don't generate enough

507
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: pressure up front. They're good, but they don't generate enough

508
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: pressure to make me confident that they can really change

509
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: the game in the trenches, and they are prone to

510
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: giving up that big play.

511
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Speaker 1: Do you like I don't know if I like Ohio

512
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: State secondary that much. I know Sean Wade is interesting

513
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: and he came back. I don't love their ability to

514
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: tackle in the open field. I don't love Alabama's either,

515
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: by the way, but there's something potentially really leaky, and

516
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: Alabama is not a Alabama despite the highlights. They're not

517
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: necessarily bombing the ball downfield all the time. I think

518
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: I looked at your air yard stat They're setting their

519
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: players up to have the ball in space, and they

520
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: turn shorter passes into longer gains. But this is not

521
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: Mac Jones just destroying teams downfield all game long. He

522
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: does it, but they slowly leak teams slowly. I don't

523
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: know what the disgusting visual I'm trying to paint here is.

524
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: But you don't need to be scared constantly that Alabama

525
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: is going to throw the ball forty seven yards in

526
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: the air. It's just a matter of keeping the ball

527
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: out of Devonte Smith and perhaps Jalen Wattle, who started

528
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: practicing this week after his injury against Tennessee Early. It's

529
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: just keeping the ball out of their hands period well.

530
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: And that's how quickly or eventually has to start game plan.

531
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 1: It's the same game plan we saw against Notre Dame

532
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: and we've seed it against other teams. He's not necessarily

533
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: interested in bombing the ball. He's interested in giving the

534
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: ball to his best players, and he's been very good,

535
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: very good at just finding ways to get them the ball.

536
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: Low percentage throws for mac Jones, get him the ball,

537
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: don't shoot yourself in the foot, don't beat yourself. Bam

538
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: is good at not doing that. And frankly, he knows

539
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: the offense. Mac Jones is so good because he knows

540
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: the offense.

541
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: He knows where to go, he knows how to get

542
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: the ball in the hands of those Bama playmakers, and

543
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: that's what they do it's not a sophisticated offense. They've

544
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: got a really good offensive line, They've got incredible skill talent,

545
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: and they just find actually sophisticated.

546
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Speaker 1: They they do all sorts of sorts of interesting things.

547
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 2: Gmatic wrinkles. We gramatically speaking, Yes, I would agree. Yeah,

548
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: from a really high level. If we zoom out thirty

549
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: thousand feet, what they're trying to do is very simple.

550
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do we know if Jalen Wattle's going to play?

551
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: He practiced, What he does next Monday night is obviously TBD.

552
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: I would imagine if he looks good in practice, then

553
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: he will at least be in for certain packages and

554
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: be used strategically. I don't know if he's going to

555
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: be full go. That's a lot to ask given his

556
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: his injury. Was it a broken ankle against Tennessee? Broken

557
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: eakle back in October? Yeah, yeah, early on in Tennessee.

558
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: So I uh, I'm curious. I'm curious to see what

559
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: Alabama looks like, and I'm curious to see how much

560
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: they do or don't lean on Naji Harris. Early. One

561
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: of the fascinating thing to me about a matchup like

562
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: this is and we talked about this ahead of both

563
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: of the games last week is what do these teams

564
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: look like? Early? Ohios Ta gave up two touchdowns in

565
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: the first what ten minutes of game time to Clemson.

566
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: Not ideal? Not ideal? Ahead of Alabama giving up points

567
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: like that early I think it was touchdown punt touchdown

568
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: against Clemson. Early on they went down fourteen to seven

569
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. And Alabama, as we can see, if you're

570
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: giving them an early lead, it's pretty lethal. And the

571
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: final score against Florida was not necessarily telling. Even though

572
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: Florida only lost by six, Alabama was able to build

573
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: that lead and play comfortably with that lead. Not that

574
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: Florida didn't keep them on their toes, but they Alabama

575
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: was just in an ideal spot because of how quickly

576
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: they can get out of the gates. Just I'm gastinated.

577
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: Get them in a hole, get them in a hole

578
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: and they try to crawl, whack them, don't let them out.

579
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: That's what they do.

580
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: What are the so in a matchup like this where

581
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: Alabama's a team that basically never beats itself and we've

582
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: seen I like to call it the crispy edges, you know,

583
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: the margins, and we saw it with what the Clemson

584
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: on site kick that turned the tide no pun intended

585
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: a few years ago in the National Championship game. As

586
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: the teams are going back and forth, they're going to

587
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: be a series of little things, be it situational third

588
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: and fourth downs, be it special teams. Whereas like Alabama

589
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: special teams are pretty good Ohio States like their their

590
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: return teams, their punt and kick return teams, and their

591
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: field goal unit. I mean, their ability to kick field

592
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: goals isn't amazing. These are the little things that if

593
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: we're both we believe both of these teams are exceptional

594
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: when playing their best. These are the things that are

595
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: going to side the game. And so what I look

596
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: at is if these teams both start out scoring, if

597
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: they're going back and forth, and we're talking like seventeen

598
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: to fourteen after the first quarter, you know a little

599
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: into the second quarter, what are the decisions of especially

600
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: Ryan Day, who has not been in this spot, what

601
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: do those decisions look like on fourth and three from

602
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: your own forty seven? Like, are they a all gas,

603
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: no breaks team? Knowing that if knowing that Alabama can

604
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: string together a ninety three hour drive in seven plays,

605
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: for six, Like, what is Ryan Day's personal what are

606
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: his coaching ethos going to be in this spot because

607
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: we've seen you know, I think was it the Eagles?

608
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: Was it the Doug Peterson Eagles super Bowl winning team?

609
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: I know these are mixed sports essentially, but he like

610
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: he went far on every fourth and short anywhere near

611
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: midfield because he knew going against the Patriots that they beat.

612
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking for that from Ryan Day. We're just leaving

613
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: it all on the field, not trying to play oh well,

614
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: well trust my defense. Like no, none of that, absolutely,

615
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: none of that. That's what I'm fascinated to see from

616
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State with the ball and similar for Alabama. When

617
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: do they start leaning on nause on the ground, When

618
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: do they start taking pops? What are they using the

619
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: screen game in an interesting way? That to me is fascinating,

620
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: especially without Land and Dickerson. It didn't make a difference

621
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: against Notre Dames. But that's the heartbeat of their offensive line.

622
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: He's the one calling out what defenses are doing up front.

623
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: He's looking at shifts doing that's you know, he's the

624
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: captain of that offensive line. How does that affect things

625
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: against an Ohio State front that is still really good. Yeah.

626
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: And on the Ohio State side, I'm back to my

627
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: earlier point, very interested in how they balance the play calling,

628
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: how much they put on Justin Fields A lot will

629
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: depend on his health. How much did they put on

630
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: his arm? How much do they scheme for Trey Sermon,

631
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: given that he's had an incredible run here the last

632
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: two three football games. How do they present a balanced

633
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: attack that can keep Alabama on its toes. Again, a

634
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: very good defense, but I think this combination of wide

635
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: receivers is very interesting. Frankly, Garrett Chris Lave very good, good,

636
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 2: solid football players. I think I think the best of

637
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: Ohio State. Yeah, oh, I think the best of Ohio

638
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: State is going to be on display. I just don't

639
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: know if it's for two and a half quarters or

640
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: for four. Well, that to me is the interesting thing. Yeah,

641
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: but how they how they balance that, to me is interesting.

642
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: I think if they can play with tempo, that'll be

643
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: an early tell that thing, which they don't always do.

644
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: They don't always do, but can and I think they're

645
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: going to want to hear against Alabama because that has

646
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: been a successful formula in the past. If they can

647
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: go out there and play with tempo. I think that's

648
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: an they can play with tempo and get first downs.

649
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: I think that's an early tell that things are going

650
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: the way they want on offense. But again, can they

651
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 2: can they maintain.

652
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: She I'd like to say, on a similar note, what

653
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: does Ohio State look like in terms of generating mismatches?

654
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: We've seen it, you know, we saw it against Ole Miss,

655
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: we saw it against Georgia. Where okay, are we going

656
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: to get Christian Harris? Are we going to get Dylan Moses?

657
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: Who is good? But you know that was all reference

658
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: in the Bruce Felbyn piece, And if you watch the

659
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: Old Miss game a step slower, you know he is

660
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: a mismatch problem if you're getting him out in space.

661
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: And what does Georgia excuse me, what ye I mean

662
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: Georgia was able to do I think with James Cook

663
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: downfield for that long touchdown. What does Ohio State look

664
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: like in terms of generating those mismatches? Be it with

665
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: the tight end, be it out of the slot. Are

666
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: they able to find those? Are they going to hunt

667
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: for them like they're Chris Paul in the playoffs, a

668
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: hunting just for that mismatch? What does Ohio State do

669
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: in terms of turning a linebacker on a running back

670
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 1: or a slot receiver into a sixty three yard game?

671
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: That to me, I think is going to be huge

672
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: because we've seen that hurt Alabama sum this year. Florida

673
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: did a very nice job of that as well.

674
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: If you look at the I don't know the help

675
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 2: me zoom out for a second.

676
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: Please, let's zoom out. We're looking over Miami. You're looking live.

677
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: We thank you, Brent. We've got We've got two coaches

678
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: here who I think come at this from very different perspectives.

679
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: Like you said, it would be what number six for

680
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: Nick Saban, He's a legend, maybe the greatest with Alabama

681
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: with Alabama, right, excuse me, maybe the greatest college football

682
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: coach of all time. On the other side, we've got

683
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: Ryan Day, who's still cutting his teeth on this level

684
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: of acclaim now. Has had a lot of success in Ohio State,

685
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong already, but he's relatively new there,

686
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: so it would be first for him six just at Alabama.

687
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: For Nick Saban, What is the narrative for both these

688
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 2: guys come out of this thing? Is it?

689
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: For Sabin Cementing?

690
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: His legacy as the greatest of all time, certainly the

691
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: greatest Alabama coach of all time. Winn he you know,

692
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: six National chaan whatever for Alabama, you know, putting him

693
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: in the conversation with the likes of Bear Bryant and

694
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: for Ryan Day, is it trying to establish his own legacy,

695
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: Is it trying to follow in the footsteps of Urban Meyer?

696
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: Is it a little bit of both? What are the

697
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: narratives for these guys?

698
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: Nick Saban has already written his I don't think there's

699
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: anything that can happen in this game that will change

700
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: what he actually is and what his place is in

701
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: college football lore. To me, he's already the guy. He

702
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: is already, given how much harder it is to win

703
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: now than it's ever been. I don't think Nick Saban

704
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: can do anything either way. I suppose if they lose

705
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: seventy to three that skews it a little, but I

706
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: don't see that happening. Ryan Day has nothing to lose.

707
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: This is Ryan's This is Ryan Day's second year as

708
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: a head coach. Now, he was put into an advantageous

709
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: position given you know, he's an offensive coordinator of the

710
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: continuity there having the coaching staff he has. But all

711
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: Ryan Day can do is help his case, really, because

712
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: if if Ohio State loses this game thirty five twenty one, okay,

713
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: this is the first time in this game, Like certainly

714
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: he might not have a quarterback ever again as good

715
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: as Justin Fields, but he's got an incredibly bright future

716
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: given where he has this Ohio State team both on

717
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: the field, on the recruiting trail, he has them operating.

718
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: So I don't think this game specifically is going to

719
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: meaningfully affect how we look at either one of these coaches,

720
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: unless there's some sort of crazy, cartoonish blowout, which again

721
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: I don't fully see happening. If it happens, it seems

722
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: obvious the direction it'll happen, because of Justin Fields' health,

723
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: because of the lapses in Ohio State's defense this year.

724
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: To me, it seems like if there's gonna be a blowout,

725
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Alabama blowing Ohio State out eventually. If

726
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: it's a crock potting, if it's an immediate air frying

727
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: sea or whatever cooking analogy you want to use, I

728
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: just don't see it happening. I see as a fun

729
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: back and forth because Alabama has their own King Hippo

730
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: soft spot, so being hipposaucepot. Yeah, I both regret and

731
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm proud of myself for this analogy because it's giving people.

732
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Was he I don't know King Hippo's backstory. I think

733
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: he was on some sort of island nation. He was

734
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: the king of an island nation of some kind.

735
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: I'll look up King Hippo, please do, by the way,

736
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: just for reference. Yeah, Bear Bryant won six titles. I

737
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: believe with Alabama. This would be nick sixth with Bama

738
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: as well. Saban has another one from LSU from his

739
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: previous regime.

740
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: But to be fair to Bear Bryant, it was winning

741
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: one game and Nick Saban since twenty fourteen has had

742
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: to win two games to win a national championship and

743
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: a conference championship on top of that. So I think

744
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: the degree of difficulty has me leaning King Hippo from

745
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: Hippo Island in the South Pacific.

746
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: Dain.

747
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: There you go. I have my backstory straight for punch

748
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: out opponents. No, I don't think appreciably there's anything that

749
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: can be dramatically gained or lost.

750
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: I'm a result. Yeah on Monday night. No, I think

751
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that front, and.

752
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: Certainly from a coaching perspective, if Justin Fields can barely

753
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: walk and comes out and just guts himself and the

754
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: way that say Deshaun Watson did. If you remember when

755
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: his pants ripped from taking that helicopter hit on the

756
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: way to a win, I think that was a year

757
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: that Deshaun Watson won. That to me is just like

758
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: it's icing on the Justin Fields cake and his last

759
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: what we assume to be his last college game. There's

760
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: huge stakes for the players, specific players, but coaching wise,

761
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: program wise, Like even if Ohio State loses comfortably, we're

762
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: still looking at Ohio State as one of the absolute

763
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: powers of the sport. So no, nothing, nothing too terribly

764
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: changes for me.

765
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: Word about the forty minute mark here, I've been talking

766
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: about this game. I think many the matchups are somewhat obvious.

767
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: We know that Ohio State's got its work cutout on

768
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: defense given the Alabama passing, attacking, ground tech and offensive line.

769
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 2: They're very good on offense, and we know that it's

770
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: a different challenge for Alabama defensively going up against the

771
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: likes of the Fields and a Trey Sermon and two

772
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: good wideouts out wide. Alabama again is favored by seven

773
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: and a half. Have you given thought to a prediction here?

774
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we decided to record the show at two

775
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: thirty Central three thirty Eastern on Tuesday afternoon, I have

776
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: been thinking about it. I am going to go with

777
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: Ohio State covering here, okay, And I know this goes

778
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: against what I try to adhere to sometimes with just

779
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: rolling with the team with the better shot of covering,

780
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: but against good and even maybe average quarterbacks. This year,

781
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: Alabama has been a little bit too leaky on defense

782
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: to make me feel good against the best quarterback they'll

783
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: face this season. Now I know he's hurt. That's what

784
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: worries me. I will probably lean with going with the

785
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: over here more confidently than going with with with Alabama

786
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: covering this spread. But I think my belief in the

787
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: sudden balance of Ohio State the coaching staff in place,

788
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: especially on defense up front for Ohio State, I think

789
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: they're going to have their guys overperforming, overachieving, and now

790
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: it's the Alabama incredible offensive line, but I still think

791
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: they're going to make enough plays that this is going

792
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: to be relatively close. I have Alabama winning by four.

793
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: I have it as forty five, forty one, forty five

794
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: forty one. Man, that would be a hell of a game.

795
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: It'd be an amazing game.

796
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: Wow.

797
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see an incredible performance from

798
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: both of these quarterbacks. I think we're gonna see a

799
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: great performance from DeVante Smith because I don't I don't

800
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: see who is stopping him in you know, in regard

801
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: to the corners, in regard to any sort of coverages

802
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: that Ohio State can roll out to try and stop

803
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: Alabama unless they really go very, very safe like Arkansas did,

804
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: But that just goes against how they've succeeded when they

805
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: have so Yeah, I see it as a back and forth.

806
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: And that's why I ask you about the crispy edges

807
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,479
Speaker 1: the Nuggets, because I think that's what the game comes

808
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: down to. I think it's going to come down to

809
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: an unfortunate fumble. I think it's going to come down

810
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: to somebody getting pinned inside the three on a punt

811
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: and that changing everything, or an on sidekick or a

812
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: tipped pass that goes for seven, something like that, like

813
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: a freak play. And I tend to favor how prepared

814
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: Alabama is with not making those mistakes, even though they

815
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: did in that on side kick situation against Clemson. I

816
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: think they're just there's something so airtight about Alabama's preparation

817
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: in these types of matchups, and where Ohio State has

818
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: made mistakes this year. I don't know, was it two

819
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: or three picks that Justin Fields through against Indiana and

820
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: all the yards that Indiana threw for in that game?

821
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: How well north Western played on defense for I mean,

822
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: especially against the pass and Trey Sermon ran for three

823
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: hundred plus yards. I just there are too many King

824
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: Hippo soft spots for Ohio State in this matchup, the

825
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: softest of which is just what does Justin Fields look

826
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: like if he gets sacked on the third play? How

827
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: does his body move and perform? There's only so much

828
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: you can do, so that's what worries me about Ohio State.

829
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: I have more concerns about Ohio State than I do

830
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: Alabama because Nick Saban's on one sideline and it's hard

831
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: to not always give the edge to the sideline that

832
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: includes Nick Saban.

833
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: I've got this one at forty one to thirty in

834
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: figuback Alabama, Okay, I look, I want this game to

835
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: be close. I want it to be tight. I think

836
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: that would make for an awesome, awesome Monday night of football,

837
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: and certainly after the year of football that we've all

838
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: had to endure, a baller national championship will be a

839
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: cool way to end it. I think we'll get a

840
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: good game, but I think ultimately Alabama is the better team.

841
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: One of the.

842
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: Things that struck me, not just in the preview that

843
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: I mentioned with Bruce over at the Athletic but some

844
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: of the other ones that I've been sampling here and there.

845
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: Folks are legitimately comparing this Alabama offense to the LSU offense. Right,

846
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 2: we saw a year ago this offense that was unstoppable,

847
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: and they're different, and of course the names are different

848
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: and the schemes are different as well, but that's not

849
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 2: a comparison I had considered before. They are very very good.

850
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 2: It goes without saying on the offensive side of the ball,

851
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: and this dilemma that they forced teams into either bringing

852
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: all their guys up front to stop Nausey or dropping

853
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: them all back to stop Mac in the passing attack.

854
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: It's so tough to find that balance in between. And

855
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: sure you're going to get stops, but over the course

856
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: of sixty minutes, you're probably going to lose more than

857
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: you win. And so I think it's that dynamic that

858
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: we've seen all year. I think it's a fact that

859
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: they don't shoot themselves in the foot. I think it's

860
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: that over the course of four quarters that ultimately gives

861
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 2: them enough padding to win this game and cover the

862
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: point spread. It does strike me though, as for a

863
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: good chunk of the time being back and forth, being

864
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: back and forth. But I think I'm with you on

865
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: the standpoint just that I trust in Alabama more than

866
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: I do Ohio State. And I'm not entirely sure what

867
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: version of Justin Fields we're gonna get. Justin Field's at

868
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: his best is very good. He's like one of the

869
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: best quarterbacks in the country, maybe like only behind Trevor Lawrence.

870
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: But I don't know what to make of what we

871
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: saw a week ago. Six touchdowns only six incompletions. Is

872
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: he going to be healthy coming into this one? Details

873
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: have been scant.

874
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: I hated to see stories like Justin Fields woke up

875
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: feeling better than he thought he would like, But what

876
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: does that mean? What does that actually mean? He felt

877
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: waking up the next day after barely making it to

878
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: the sideline, after you know, throwing a touchdown pass. Things

879
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: like that.

880
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: Football's a violent sport. Yeah, it's the very nature of it.

881
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: You're going to have injuries. But I would prefer it

882
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: not be to Ohio State's best player. And I just

883
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: I don't know what state he's in. I don't know

884
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: what to make of that. So sure, look, we'll probably

885
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: figure it out early. It's something we'll have to watch

886
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: throughout the course of the game. Ultimately, I think there

887
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: are more ways for Alabama to score points, more ways

888
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: for them to win this football game. So I'm going

889
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: forty one to thirty as my final. I think Alabama wins.

890
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: It covers.

891
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: Okay, so we sort of disagree, but not fully on

892
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: the big thing.

893
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: The other dimension here that we need to mention, if

894
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: only because it's been a weird season and we're still

895
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 2: in the in the thick of this thing. Wow, the virus.

896
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: I am looking at a report now that there are

897
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen issues at Ohio State that have led to

898
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 2: discussions about having to push back the National Championship game

899
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: to a later date.

900
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: That's from is that breaking that you just noticed on Twitter.

901
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: That's a we should have seen it before we hit record, but.

902
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, that's there. But maybe you just saw it now.

903
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: But that's okay, we mentioned it. It's worth noting. We

904
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: have to we have to note that, and it's important.

905
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: The Ohio State offense with and without Chris Olave kind

906
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: of different.

907
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 2: It's something that that could invalidate this very preview. Hopefully

908
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't, but alas it is something to keep an

909
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: eye on as well. So provided again that there is

910
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: a game on Monday, Dan and I are going to

911
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 2: be doing some version of a watch along out there

912
00:48:53,840 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: on YouTube, on Twitch, on periscope, slash Twitter, Maybe we'll

913
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: see if we can get it on Facebook as well,

914
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: all the all the hotspots we want to do the

915
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: watch along. I think we're starting to drop plans with guests, right,

916
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: we got.

917
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: Guys on correct, Oh, we definitely are. Okay, that's fascinating

918
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: to me. If Ohio State is there a there was

919
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: for conference games? Is there a minimum threshold for the

920
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: national championship roster numbers? You can look that up. Maybe

921
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: this is something we should look up. Well, I don't know, yeah,

922
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: is there the ability to push back a national championship

923
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: game because you don't have enough dudes to field the team.

924
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: But the other team has done what it takes. Of course,

925
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: staffers and everybody surrounding the players have done what it takes. Obviously,

926
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: it takes a village to get you know, a team

927
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: on the field in twenty twenty.

928
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: Of course, specating on Twitter are saying, well, it's not COVID,

929
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: it's justin fields as ribs. That's the Oh yeah, that's

930
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: the that's the issue. I look, I don't know if

931
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: they're going to heal that quickly.

932
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if broken ribs, which

933
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: is just me making up the injury right now, whatever

934
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: the injury is that he sustained. I've had broken ribs.

935
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: They don't heal in five extra days, I can tell you.

936
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not going to do much. No, it's fascinating

937
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: to me. I thought you were going to say the

938
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: other element to this game is where you think people

939
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: should eat? Well, you tell me where should people eat?

940
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: First off, I don't know if.

941
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: People are going to this game because there's going to

942
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: be a limited audience. It's obviously we're living through this

943
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: and it's not going to be normal by any stretch.

944
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: But if you should happen upon this part of the

945
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: contiguous United States, either this year or any other year,

946
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: where should folks eat in this general quadrant?

947
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: For me, just for your pal Dan, you should try

948
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: to get to Lukali, my absolute favorite pizza place that's

949
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn that has a location in Miami. Lucali is

950
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: spectacular and apparently it's much easier to get into in

951
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: Miami than it is in Brooklyn. I really enjoyed Zach

952
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: the Baker Salty. It's either the Salty Donut or Salty Donuts.

953
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: I would hang out in the Windwood area some really

954
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: great wall and street art whatever at the Little Havana.

955
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: Maybe get a Cafe Cito tie well sweet espresso esque

956
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: shot of coffee. In your life, there's a place called

957
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: if you like Greek or Turkish food, Mandolin. I think

958
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: it's called Dumb Mandolin or just Mandolin. Really really good,

959
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: really really good. I don't spent a ton of time

960
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: in Miami, but I've had some good meals down there,

961
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: so that's what I would recommend. I'm trying to think

962
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: if there's anything else, off the top of my head,

963
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: I would de man Lou Colly is just something else.

964
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: I got dough babies in the fridge right now, and it's.

965
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: Okay.

966
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: I understand you.

967
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: Very communicating with mom age giving her recipes now.

968
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: I sent her the the Detroit pan pizza recipe I used.

969
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: It's undefeated. It really is good and it'll get you

970
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: to stop being a calliflower cross pizza tie. It's just awful.

971
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I appreciate it, of course. Right in,

972
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: so we were there. I wish we were down there

973
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: doing shows. Yeah, doing a live show.

974
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: I was going to say, right in solid verbal at

975
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 2: gmail dot com, let us know your your thoughts, your

976
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: prediction on the game. Where we're right, where we're wrong. Yeah,

977
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: I wish we were there too, And to build on

978
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: the episode we did on New Year's Day where we

979
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: went through our resolutions. Hopefully next year we can actually go,

980
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: regardless of who's in it, because it sucks. It's been

981
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: a couple of years now since we've been able to go,

982
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: and it is fun to be there, to feel the environment,

983
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: to take part in some of those activities in the

984
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 2: build up to a national championship. I missed that maybe

985
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: this year more than ever.

986
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: So you had an annual trip to a strip club

987
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: with Dennis Dodd that now. It's just I don't know

988
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: when it's going to happen again.

989
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh.

990
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: Hold Anny Dimes, my gone are the days? I know?

991
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: I just I hope we can do it at the

992
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: uh at the next I don't even know where it

993
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: is next year, but unless it's somewhere cold, I hope

994
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: we can make that trip.

995
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: It might be in Indianapolis next year.

996
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: Is that true? Isn't the The NCAA tournament is entirely

997
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis this year a couple months right, Yeah, there

998
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: is twenty twenty.

999
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: South Florida is twenty twenty one next year. It's at

1000
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, Indiana. So maybe we won't

1001
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: go to that one. The one the following year is

1002
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: in LA. I'll see there at LA Stadium at Hollywood

1003
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: Park in Inglewood.

1004
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't really care about going to the game.

1005
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 1: I'd much rather do a live stream with you during

1006
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: the game, But just to get out there for the

1007
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: festivities would be That's I mean, what did I promise?

1008
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: I promised the next time. Let's see the next time

1009
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: it's in LA, which is what'd you say? Twenty twenty three.

1010
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: Twenty January twenty twenty three.

1011
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will.

1012
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: Do a solid verbal taco crawl with any verbalers who

1013
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: make the trip to La or already are in southern California.

1014
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: We're going to do a taco. Is there some sort

1015
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: of food crawl we can do in Indye? I've heard

1016
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: Indianapolis is a pretty good food town. I just don't

1017
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: want to leave the cold if I'm still here, to

1018
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: just go to another cold place. Okay, I'd rather make

1019
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 1: it count.

1020
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: Dan is very precious. You need to keep him warm, insulated.

1021
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: And get me out of hoth. So I trying to

1022
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: tell you.

1023
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: All right, all right, So look, if you are a

1024
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: Patreon subscriber, the final batch of Winter Wonders game picks

1025
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 2: will be coming your way. We have been going at

1026
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: this hot and heavy, all sorts of picks this Bowl

1027
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: season from a million different directions. We've got a bunch

1028
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: coming your way that's going to drop on Wednesday. We're

1029
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: recording this on Tuesday, So Tomorrow, Wednesday afternoon, you will

1030
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: see hopefully another batch, the third batch of items that

1031
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: you need to pick.

1032
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: Or largely the game coming up, just.

1033
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: For the props, just for the game coming up, including

1034
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: perhaps a prop about whether or not it will be postponed,

1035
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: but we'll have to see. Oh interesting, it could best

1036
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: the postpone by the time we by the time we

1037
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: dropped the contest. But we're we're going to put some

1038
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: fun ones in there, as we've been doing all along.

1039
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: If you're not a Patreon subscriber, we did send an

1040
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: email out to you earlier today on Tuesday talking about

1041
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: what we're doing this offseason and how you might want

1042
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: to jump in and be part of the festivities. In

1043
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: the interim, Dan, we're going to keep working on getting

1044
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: our guest lists together for next Monday. And have you

1045
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: decided if you're going to stream any Nintendo games?

1046
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: Are you doing that to my controller? You got it again?

1047
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: It is? It works on I think I could probably

1048
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: play because it has like the little the dpad and everything.

1049
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: I could probably play N sixty four Super Nintendo probably

1050
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: Genesis games. Okay, and well the Genesis has the three

1051
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: and three right, yeah, right, this is this is definitely

1052
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: a more Nintendo skewed, so it'll either be like N

1053
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: sixty four SNSNS. But yeah, I'm setting up like a

1054
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: nice background, maybe a CRT TV to really sell at home.

1055
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: Nice design situation. Okay, that's what you do. I've started

1056
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: downloading games and I'm excited. Yes, all right, well look,

1057
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: we wish you all well.

1058
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: We will be back on Friday to talk through some

1059
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: additional college football topics and much much more.

1060
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: And then again, will you promise me you eat something

1061
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: very good for this game?

1062
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: Eat something very good?

1063
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like, I don't want you to be t eating like, yeah,

1064
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: I had a trout crust, pizza, trout crust. What have

1065
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: I ever? Don't know?

1066
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: You will all sound like super bougie here. I don't

1067
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 2: need trout crust anything. Trout is a bougie I'm saying,

1068
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: like you use alt crusts alt crust. Yeah, I'm just

1069
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: I want you to leave something good. I need to

1070
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: beat like a cheese steak. But I don't want you.

1071
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 2: I don't want you to take an easy way out.

1072
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: I will not take an easy way out.

1073
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: Make a burger will come. I think I'm gonna make

1074
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: my my taco dip, my chariso dip.

1075
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I will come up with something.

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Speaker 1: You know this please, by the way, also twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four Houston, I'm there in a second. Yeah, love Houston. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's make it through this, shall we. Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, year or two, both teams, to both fan bases,

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Speaker 2: to all college football fandom out there watching this game

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Speaker 2: on Monday. Let's hope for a good game. Let's hope

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Speaker 2: for a fun stream as we do our watch along.

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Speaker 2: Let's hope for a good show to close out the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty twenty one football season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's only taken us a year to get here.

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Speaker 1: Season has been very long time.

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Speaker 2: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: for myself hilde Brand, thank you so so very much

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Speaker 2: for downloading, for listening, for supporting. We will talk to

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Speaker 2: you all on Friday. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,