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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed With Jenna and Kevin

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio Podcast, Welcome too, and that's what you really missed.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jenna, I'm Kevin, and today we are joined by

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Speaker 1: the mastermind of Glee again, Ryan Murphy. We just can't

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Speaker 1: keep him away. He keeps coming back. Goodness, thank goodness.

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Speaker 1: I every time Ryan comes on, like I talked about,

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Speaker 1: like every time he's been on, you know, once before,

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Speaker 1: but it feels like a lifetime when we talk to him.

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Speaker 1: It feels like we like it fills up this like

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Speaker 1: crazy bowl and overflows and you get so much information

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Speaker 1: that you didn't know. We talk about a reboot, We

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Speaker 1: talked about his Baby Passion episode Madonna, which kind of

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Speaker 1: changed the course of Glee forever in many of our

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Speaker 1: minds and hopefully you're and also the how those things

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Speaker 1: logistically on like a business side work, like how do

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Speaker 1: you get the rights to doing whatever you want with

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Speaker 1: Madonna's music? That's absolutely crazy? And did Ryan have to

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Speaker 1: bang Madonna? Did he? Does Ryan beg anyone? Now we'll

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Speaker 1: find out. Enjoyed this conversation. We could talk to him

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Speaker 1: for hours and hours. Brian came on again and chatted

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Speaker 1: with us. Thank you, Ryan, and we hope you enjoy

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Speaker 1: this conversation again with the one and only Ryan Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this again. I know it's good

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Speaker 1: to see you. Good to see you, guys. I have

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Speaker 1: to do this one because it was my my big

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Speaker 1: directorial thing that I loved doing that first season, other

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Speaker 1: than the pilot. So before we get into Madonna, congrats

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Speaker 1: on the Carol Burnette Award. That was a beautiful, beautiful

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Speaker 1: thank you. It was an hour to do and it

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Speaker 1: was an honor to be a part of some clips

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Speaker 1: and that tribute. You're welcome. That's what's so crazy is

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Speaker 1: sort of lifetime achievement awards. So you're sitting in here,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, this could go so wrong.

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Speaker 1: I got through it. I got through it. I did

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Speaker 1: my breathing, and I got through it. My beautiful speech.

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Speaker 1: It was a great speech. Yeah, it's beautiful. It made

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Speaker 1: us think of when we went to the Golden Globes

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Speaker 1: really interesting time where broadcast TV hit some real oomp,

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Speaker 1: I remember people saying it was between us and Modern Family.

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Speaker 1: the two big broadcast juggernauts, and Dana Walden, who I'm

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Speaker 1: wonderful meeting with you too. And there was one shot

430
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: that I remember Leah and Corey were running down the

431
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: hallway singing and they passed like the ten different Madonna.

432
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: That's what I want to have been dying to ask

433
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: you about this. Please explain all of that. It made

434
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: absolutely no sense, but it was so. It was cinema, Ryan,

435
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: that was cinema was cinema. It was the thing I

436
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: loved about her that she meant so much to me

437
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: and continues to mean so much to me, which is

438
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: that she never got pigeonholed and she changed. And I

439
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: really wanted to do that in my career, and I

440
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: really kind of had tried, and I think I have

441
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: done it, which is always doing the opposite thing nobody

442
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: expects you to do whatever. So I wanted to pay

443
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: tribute to the quality in her that I love the most,

444
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: which was all of these different looks and in a

445
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: very short amount of time. So when you see that

446
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: there's like ten people in these different I think I

447
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: even did it. Who's that girl? Shout out with the bowler?

448
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: And like I was nutty And I remember Lou and

449
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: I the costumer spending hours trying to figure out our

450
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: favorite Madonna looks. And she had a say in that too,

451
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: and I love that was so much fun, the two

452
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: of you being able to talk about your favorite Madonna looks. Yeah,

453
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: it was fun and it was a real tribute, and

454
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: so we shot it and did it, and it to

455
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: this day has one of the most fun things that

456
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: I've ever done, which is directing Jane Lynch almost in

457
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: a side by side in comparison beat by beat tribute

458
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: to Madonna in Vogue, which Jane won the Emmy Award

459
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: I think for that episode. So um, that was nuts

460
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: and I don't and again an example of the show

461
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: really like we had not done something like that before,

462
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: and it was kind of looking back, I'm glad I

463
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: did it. Should I have done it? Probably not, but

464
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, who knows. But I wanted it to beat

465
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: beat by beat and Zach Woodley and I the choreographer,

466
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: and Chris bath Of the cinematographer, and we had to

467
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: get permission from the studio to do a black and

468
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: white segment because you just didn't do that right. Um,

469
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: some countries wouldn't carry it, or it was just a

470
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: whole big thing. Um things you don't think about. So

471
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: we had the video and we had we recreated we

472
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: looked at it like the Zapruder film, like you know,

473
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: it was just like constant looking at it, poppying the sets. Yeah,

474
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 1: we had Jane check everything we had. Yeah, Madonna was

475
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: Jane was actually a gigantic Madonna fan as well. She was,

476
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: and so she was saying how fortunate she got to

477
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: do that too, like how how cool that is and

478
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: like what world would you ever get to do something

479
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: like that? And also, Adam, you give that to change

480
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: some of the lyrics too, where she got to say

481
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: will I hate you and things like that, which is crazy,

482
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: and Madonna had Madonna had to approve that. So again

483
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: it was me calling Hi, it's me again, and they're like,

484
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: who is this Will Schuster? What are you talking about?

485
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I remember you guys. I remember everybody

486
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: in the cast dropping by to watch that being shot.

487
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: I remember you guys coming by. Oh yes, um we

488
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: had to Yeah, it was. It was really kind of

489
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: an amazing thing. And you know, Jane had said that

490
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: before the Your show but which I watched or listened to,

491
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: where she talked about a lot of the props that

492
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: David Fincher you used in the original Volk video. We

493
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: found so we got to do all of that um

494
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: stuff and in a real tribute not only to Madonna

495
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: but to David Fincher because that that video was still

496
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: I think the number the best video ever made. And yeah,

497
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: so we got to do all of that stuff and

498
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: it was incredible, and also it was incredible that the

499
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: studio let me shoot that for two days. That was

500
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: two days of work that was not just okay, we're

501
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: gonna and it was expensive and then it looked eve

502
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: it was and it was very st thirty five millimeter

503
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: and literally we had there was the crazy thing a

504
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: shot with Jane floating over what looked like a fabric yes,

505
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: and you know in that so we had to figure out, well,

506
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: how did how did they do that? And they had

507
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: Madonna on sort of a like a lever that was

508
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: supporting her neck from the back and it was like

509
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: a chiropractor table. So we had to build that and

510
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: it was all just like a great learning technical experience.

511
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: I've never done anything so technical. And Jane was a

512
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: trooper and I take after take, Jane, move your head

513
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: an eighth of an inch. If we looked at the monitor.

514
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 1: Now back, raise your eyebrow, and I would always kind

515
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: of let her do a take for herself, right, und Dad,

516
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: out of your system, here's what actually need. Yeah, and

517
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: we had fun. And about what I remember about it

518
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: was at the beginning, like we keep talking about, of

519
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: a feeling of oh, this is going to be people

520
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: are going to lose their minds when this airs, and

521
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: they did. It was a really really big rating success.

522
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: He got nominated and won mini many awards. Jane won

523
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: the Amy for this. I believe I was nominated for

524
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: the Director's Guild Award for this episode, which was hilarious

525
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: to me. And it was just yeah. And then the

526
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: fun part was we finished. And that was back in

527
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: the days too, where I would finish a cut and

528
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: you guys would all come into the editing room which

529
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: was literally a trailer and I'm sure covering those pestos

530
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: or something, and it was a trailer. It was okay.

531
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: I remember it giving I remember giving you snacks, and

532
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: I remember showing you guys the episode are rough cut

533
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: of it, Yes, And your reaction was the reaction that

534
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: people had because it just kept building and building. It

535
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: was a spectacle. It was nutty. It was about something.

536
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: I remember shooting the Express Yourself number. How fun was that?

537
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: That was really fun? And Jenna, I remember you were

538
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: the only one who could ever do the monocle correctly

539
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: of it, so if that was a big thing for

540
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: me and I kept and then I remember you kept

541
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: getting it right and everyone else was like, oh my god,

542
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: it flew a wreck get people in the face. You

543
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: were a dancer and you knew how to keep your shoulders.

544
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you were the thank you, thank

545
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: you MVP with the monocle, the monocle actor as we

546
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: called it. Yeah, yeah, we in our episodes we have

547
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: best performances and best you know, superlatives, and we do

548
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: the best performance by a prop and the monocle one

549
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: for that was there's a lethal weapon. It was it

550
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: really also just you know, doing it. It just made

551
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: you you know, I think that's another moment we're doing

552
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: Express Yourself and I remember the boys were directed to

553
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: kind of be bored and kind of look off, and

554
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: you guys were anything but you know, And that was

555
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: also the beginning of something on the show where people

556
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: would show up to watch those numbers, like we should

557
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: built the auditorium and people all over the Paramount lot

558
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: would show up. That was one of those days and

559
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: one of those challenges because it was like, how can

560
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: we be miserable during this The girls are kicking ass

561
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: good and it was so good and the constance was hard. Yeah,

562
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: every number was full of joy and excitement for us

563
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: to get to do in every department. That's what it

564
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: felt like. And I could tell that because you guys

565
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: really put yourself into it and not even watching it.

566
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: It has a level of energy from the actors that

567
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: was new to watch because you could tell that you

568
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 1: were also doing an in tribute to Madonna in some

569
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: weird way, I felt, and everybody loved it. Everybody, even

570
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: Corey loved it, like you know, yes, I loved the

571
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: loved the tribute to her and the energy and thought

572
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: it was about shit crazy what we were doing. And

573
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: I mean there are so many numbers in it too,

574
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: it's like, what was your did you have a favorite?

575
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: You know. The other thing the pressure of doing this

576
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: because at that point we knew that the artists a

577
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: lot of the time responded to what we did in

578
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: the episode. So I think knowing that Madonna was probably

579
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: going to see it. It seemed unlikely, there's no way,

580
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: but I was going to see this. But we also

581
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: knew like if I sing this, I have to like

582
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: do it's because she will probably I can't butcher what

583
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: it feels like for a girl, right, yeah, I don't

584
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: know when she thought, but my favorite number honestly was

585
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: and maybe it's because we did it on tour, maybe

586
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: because it has like nostalgia and sentimental feelings now, but

587
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: like a prayer, right, like those numbers, it's like the

588
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: feeling that I get that I remember doing with such

589
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: joy and like Amber's mom being in the choir on

590
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: stage with us and just like you're like just dance,

591
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, just like go, and that that to me

592
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: is like what emulated the US, you know, as a

593
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: as a group of new directions. But then also like

594
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean ray of Light when you have like people

595
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 1: on stilts, it's like it's crazy, it's crazy. It was crazy,

596
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: and those to remind me you were just saying what

597
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: it feels like for a girl. That's such a beautiful arrangement.

598
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Anna Mandrew's did incredible arrangements throughout

599
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: that whole episode. I thought it was really bold that

600
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: you picked that song because it was not one of

601
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: her biggest songs, but it was one of her the

602
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: video being controversial, shocking her having a controversial video, and

603
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: how you used it in having the sort of gender

604
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: reverse perspective singing it was really powerful. Yeah, I only

605
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: chose songs in that episode that meant something to me. Again,

606
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: that feeling of what it feels like for our girl

607
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: you could put what it feels like for a blank. Yeah,

608
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: And it reminded me of me in college getting the

609
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: single ripped apart, you know, like the cruelty of the

610
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: world sometimes and how hard it is to be a

611
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: woman or to which I think has changed so much.

612
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, I was those songs were personal

613
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: to me and I think you can tell. And but yeah,

614
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: there was the moment of reckoning where I had to

615
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: send it to her to watch because I do believe

616
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: that the only caveat that they had was if she

617
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: didn't like something. You know, she gave me complete freedom,

618
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: but if she didn't like something, she politely said, I

619
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: would like to have a discussion about it if it

620
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: rubs me the wrong way, Because these are my songs,

621
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: these are my children, my life and I said yes.

622
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: So again throughout the entire process, I cannot express to

623
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: you how kind she was about it and open about it,

624
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: and then when she saw it even more kind and open.

625
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: She didn't have a note, she didn't ask for anything

626
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: to be changed. She loved it. She um wow. She

627
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: was so supportive of it that at one point I

628
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: thought I was being punked or like, really, this cannot

629
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: be real. And then she put out a press release

630
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: I believe the day the show aired, saying how much

631
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: she supported it and what the show was about and

632
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: doing for the world, and that her doing that at

633
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: that moment in time also made the show be further

634
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: recognized because a lot that letter got so much attention

635
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: and that set the standard. Also like, okay, if we

636
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: do a tribute episode part of the gig as you,

637
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: we hope you like it enough to say something nice

638
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: but right. And then the album hit number one. That

639
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: was a big thing for me that I wanted her

640
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: to get as a tribute from us to her, which happened.

641
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: I remember getting a call from Jeff Bywater about you

642
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: hit number one kid, yeah, smoking. So it was just

643
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: all a Nutti Nutti Nutti experience. And then things were

644
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: different in every way on that show. Yeah, how we

645
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: need it, had the amount of money we were given

646
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: to make it, how people viewed it. How in many

647
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: cases things that I did in that episode that really

648
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: were nuts and went off the rails um kept happening,

649
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: you know, And I think in a different world it

650
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: would um it would not probably have gone so crazy.

651
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: And then you know, there was also the creative difficulty

652
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: of well how do you top that? And we kept

653
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: trying to top and top and top it with um

654
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: right with Gagay, with Britney Spears, with Michael Jackson. The

655
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson episode is the one I believe that made

656
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: both of you lose your minds or something happened around

657
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: that time. Yes, we you survived, you did. I made it.

658
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: You made it. And also I remember, didn't you guys

659
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: walk off the set? Wasn't weren't we shooting something in

660
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: a parking garage that went nutty? We didn't walk off.

661
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: We didn't shoot something in a parking garage and had

662
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 1: that was crazy because technically speaking, we had no time

663
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: to rehearse in the parking garage and we were using

664
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: an actual parking garage on the Paramount lot. So we

665
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: don't wait for all the employees to leave, and so

666
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: we would poor Zach Woodley would take whoever was in

667
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: that section of the dance and we would sort of

668
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: just map it out and shoot it as we were going,

669
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: So we never rehearsed the whole thing. We could just

670
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: do it bits. How did that happen? Why is that?

671
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: Why did that happen? I think we were behind I

672
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: think shooting that day already and then whenever Zach got us,

673
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: it was so late that the crew was then moving

674
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: over already, and you know, it was one of those

675
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: technical things where you have to wrangle eighty of us,

676
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: change us, redo our everything. This was when Sebastian was

677
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: getting hit with rocks in the slushy and that was

678
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: Gran Augustine and I believe at this time this is

679
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: when I lost my mind a little bit. I wasn't

680
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: there for the second part of Michael, but we were

681
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: shooting two episodes at the same time, I believe, and

682
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: that's why I was in some of Michael and not

683
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: in the second half of Michael. We were doing what

684
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: episode was before Saturday Night Fever, if I maybe correct,

685
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: it was the one with Saturday Night fever. At the

686
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: end of the episode, we're all inmost white suits. I

687
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: don't remember what it was, but we were doing two

688
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: at once and crossing over and then I think Bad

689
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: was like a night shoot and we went in and

690
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: like you'd be like, car Well, that's also funny to

691
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: talk about that episode and Madonna, because you know, my

692
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: life changed between those times, right right. I was very, very,

693
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: very very you know, we've talked about this, but I

694
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: was very very in that show the first two years,

695
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: really really in it, and then I had a baby,

696
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: and then American Horror Story happened, and then I sort

697
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: of went to having a bigger overall deal with more

698
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: responsibilities and more development, and yeah, it was it was

699
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: a much different world. And I do think the the now,

700
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: it just seems like the idea that we did twenty

701
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: two episodes a year of a musical is insane. How

702
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: was that even allowed to happen? The schedules, like you

703
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: know now you would do if you would do twelve,

704
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: and I would say that's too much, But you know,

705
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: there was no there was no protection for any of us.

706
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: It was hard on you. I remember it was incredibly

707
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: difficult with the writing because it was three of us

708
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: doing it, and so many nights we'd be at the

709
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: Chateau of Marmat in the lobby until the wee hours,

710
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: like really struggling and how do we feel up these episodes?

711
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: And it became you know, and then it became such

712
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: a business that um and people wanted more, more of it,

713
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: and the world wanted more of it at that point,

714
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: So you know, the philosophy of my career has always

715
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: been asked me, what my favorite word is, Kevin, what's

716
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: your favorite word? Ryan? Yes, my favorite word is yes,

717
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: because I always was like, yes, yes, I'll do more, Yes,

718
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: I'll yes, we'll do because you never think that you're

719
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: from Yes come as many joys. And at that point

720
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I felt like such a minority in the business and

721
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: so lucky to be there, and thinking, well, this is

722
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 1: never going to happen again, so sure we'll do a tour. Sure,

723
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: why not? Like I just kept wanting to be a

724
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: people pleaser and Um, looking back now, I mean that

725
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: period of the Madonna episode, followed by all those awards,

726
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: followed by that tour, we were grumbling about it, but

727
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was really one of the best times

728
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: in my life. I was special to get to do that.

729
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't think we're sling yet. I don't think that

730
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: we were quite there yet. Oh I was. I remember

731
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: being like, I can't, I can't the scripts, like how

732
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: do I do twenty two of a musical? Right? And

733
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: then three of you doing that? Is that's crazy. I

734
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: don't know how the three of you could write to

735
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: you two full seasons just the three of you. How

736
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: do you tune out like the pressure or do you not?

737
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: Or did you feel or how do you tune out now?

738
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: Like the pressure of like what the fans want when

739
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: they went the expectation? Yeah? Um, yeah, that was That

740
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: was that. That show was a learning curve in so

741
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: many ways because it was also we've spoke about this privately,

742
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: but it was sort of like me um at the beginning.

743
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: You know, I felt very much like everybody else. I

744
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: was working for a company, you know, I didn't feel

745
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: like your boss. I felt like we were having fun.

746
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: I was your peer. Yeah. You know, not only was

747
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: I writing some of them a lot a lot of

748
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: them with the guys, but I was directing a lot

749
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: of them. And these are the days where I would

750
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: go to every dance rehearsal yeah, I would go to

751
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: every you know, cost him fit. I was so involved,

752
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: and it was I felt so much pressure because who

753
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: knew that this little fun thing that we did, that

754
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: we did for us in a bubble would become such

755
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: a worldwide success. And it was a worldwide success. So

756
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: it was I've never had anything culturally bigger than that

757
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: at that moment in time. And then you know what

758
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: had started to happen was it was Niah who introduced

759
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: me to the wonderful world of social media, which, in

760
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: a weird way was like, Oh my god, why did

761
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: I do that? She helped set up my Twitter account

762
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: and she tweeted, now you something like now you all

763
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: be nice to him, or I'm gonna get you or

764
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: something funny. Remember that, And I remember you guys were like,

765
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: I really don't know if you have the stomach to

766
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: be but you guys loved it because you were young,

767
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: and it was like and stand feedback and they were

768
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: nice to you. Those first two seasons, I think we

769
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: were the most tweeted about TV show in the world. Yeah,

770
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure. And then you know, I would start to

771
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: read the tweets from the fans and I'm like, oh,

772
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: they want X to be with why they want they

773
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: don't they don't like what we're doing. Okay, well I

774
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: will serve that. So then we became you know, then

775
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: we started to service the relationships, probably not from an

776
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: organic place, but from a fan place, which is the

777
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: kiss of death, which I learned you can never do.

778
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: And then you know, and now there's just rules in

779
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: my life that I follow. I don't read reviews. I

780
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: don't read what people say about the shows. I don't um.

781
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't let that into my head because I'm writing

782
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: it first and foremost for me. And I remember we

783
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: were encouraged by the company to have tweet parties and

784
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: actively engage with the fans and try so that was

785
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: that was a young learning curve for corporations too. Yeah,

786
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: where they were like, yeah, like make the fans for

787
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: like more people will watch. So yes, that probably was true.

788
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I had in the second year

789
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: of the show, particularly it was dark, I had death threats.

790
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: I had to get security. I had people showing up

791
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: at my door. You guys, remember that the people showing

792
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: up at the door upset about something that happened with

793
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: Brittany and Santana. Somebody with a knife and the cops

794
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: came and it was just it was just out of

795
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: control and it was scary, and so I quickly learned, yeah,

796
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: don't do that, and I don't do that anymore. And

797
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: now my rule is Glee was written in a very

798
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: place of love. You know, when people talk about their parents,

799
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 1: their parents get divorced, but you were born of love

800
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: when you were conceived. You should know even though mom

801
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: and dad got a divorce, we loved you in that

802
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: moment you were made. That's how I felt about Glee,

803
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: because that's what it was, particularly us first two years.

804
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm until my life changed and yeah, and then you know,

805
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I was torn into many directions both from

806
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: my family and my work obligations and what I was

807
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish. And I also felt driven to do

808
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: more that put more things like whatever whatever you want

809
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: to call the Madonna episode. It had a queer sensibility,

810
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: it was and I wanted to do more things like that,

811
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: for more more shows with more people. And so then

812
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: that became a driving force in my life to sort

813
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: of leave the world in a different place than it

814
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: was when I came in. Again, the kid you had

815
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: the madonnaa single ripped apart. So everything just changed and

816
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: you got there. You know, I'm as busy and hard

817
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: as it was, I guess saying yes all the time.

818
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: But by doing that, you did build yourself into a

819
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: position to get to put queer stories and queer media

820
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: on so different networks with several different TV shows concurrently,

821
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: So you know, you built this empire. You know, to

822
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: circle back to what the kil Burnett Award is about,

823
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: and what your speech was about was to put to

824
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: give spotlight to underserved communities and groups, because you know

825
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: what that personally feels like. And so I mean, it

826
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: seems like with Glee you were able to see how

827
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: hungry people were for that and how when given the

828
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to see themselves people appreciated it. And so then

829
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: you got to I mean, and you did amazing things

830
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: as well after or you made sure women in the workplace,

831
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: women got to direct and got to shadow directors on

832
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: your shows. Yeah, so behind the scenes, you immediately even

833
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: you must have been exhausted, you had a family, you

834
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: had eight billion shows, but you still were, you know,

835
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: making time to make sure that other people. It was

836
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: sort of like the Oprah model. If I come up,

837
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: everybody else gets to come up to give you know,

838
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: to help the people below come up to meet you. Otherwise,

839
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: I mean I did feel I did try and do that,

840
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: and I also wished, you know, I feel like coming

841
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: on your show is great because it's like therapy sessions

842
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: where we can really but I wish I wish some

843
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: of it. I never would have changed some of it.

844
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: I would have changed, like, um, a lot of stuff

845
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: that was going on. It had become such a business

846
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: and like you're talking about shooting in a garage with

847
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: cars coming and no time to rehearse, and I'm like,

848
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: how did that? How was that allowed to happen? I

849
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: wasn't front and center at the show at that moment

850
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: in time, and I don't think that should have happened.

851
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: I think we were doing it. I wish that there

852
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: had been more time and um, things put into like

853
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: how are you feeling? How is your mental health? Like

854
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: you said you had a moment Jen like, of course

855
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: you did. We all did. But but but back then

856
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: there was no conversation. You never could do that because

857
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: then they'd be like, Okay, well, I remember hearing us

858
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: story about a showrunner who the pressure was so bad

859
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: that he went missing for three days and they found

860
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: him in a car. He had had a nervous breakdown

861
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: and he was in a car shaking uncontrollably. And I

862
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: remember reading that and thinking I know that, feeling yeah,

863
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: I really do get that. The pressure of, you know,

864
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: show business, it's a show, but it's also a business

865
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: was just really too much to take on. And it's

866
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any There's never been another show

867
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: like Glee that was like this multiheaded hydra where you're

868
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: a TV show, but you're also a stage show, and

869
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: you're also a soundtrack business, and you're also a merchandise business,

870
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: like and big in each of those departments, not just

871
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: like phoning it in, big in every sector like that. Yes,

872
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: And it got so nutty that at one point I

873
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: got a call about doing a Glee Haunted House thing

874
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: at Universal something for Halloween. And I was like, well,

875
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: this this is really insane. The show has nothing to

876
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: do and you want to make it a horror show.

877
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: And then I thought, you know what, I should have

878
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: done that, like, how fun for all of you guys

879
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: to be amazing they wanted to do. It was around

880
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: the time of the the the much maligned Heads, Will Rolls,

881
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: Zombie Number Glee, Dead with Knives, and our I guess

882
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, but only this certain group of us

883
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: who have been through that experience will ever know what

884
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: it was like. And yeah, but also I would like

885
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: to say about the Madonna thing, like I never had

886
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: more fun ever doing any piece of work other than

887
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: the pilot, I think for me and um, it was

888
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: just such a joy and a privilege to be and

889
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: it was a it was a privilege to do it,

890
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: to make it. You know, Jenna and I talked about

891
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: us crazy and big as that episode was when we

892
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: tell people about how good you are as a director,

893
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: because I think people you're a known media brand and personality,

894
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: but as a director, you're so good. And there's that

895
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: scene and as crazy as that episode was, there's a

896
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: scene where it's Jenna and I talking at the piano

897
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: after Larretie has said some very questionable showing a stick

898
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: things to her and we walk in the choir room

899
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: to block it, and you go, no, no, no, this

900
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: doesn't work, because you know there was supposed I was

901
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: to Lynn we were moving yeah, and you go, no,

902
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: this isn't right. At all and you stop and you

903
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: were just quiet for like twenty thirty seconds, like staring

904
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: off to the distance, and you go, Okay, here's what

905
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: we're going to do. And you took over the floor

906
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: and you rewrote the scene in real time, and you go, Kevin,

907
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: you're here, Jenna, you sit there and you're gonna say this.

908
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna say this, You're gonna that, You're gonna say that.

909
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. I do

910
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 1: remember that we started doing it and then I remember

911
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: everyone was like, oh, thank god, yeah, oh, the scene

912
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: is great now. And it was so quiet. We were

913
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: so silent, there was nothing else going on. And it

914
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: was a real a really important learning moment for me,

915
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: and getting to work with you to see how you

916
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: worked that, and also getting to act and learning how

917
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: to act better. And I think the brilliance of being

918
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: able to think on your feet and rewrite a scene

919
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: and make it even ten times better than it originally

920
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: was supposed to be was remarkable. It's a really crazy

921
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 1: thing to see. Yeah, well, I don't know I feel

922
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: that about you know, I don't direct anymore, but I've

923
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: kind of retired from that. But I did love it

924
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: when I was doing it, and my rule about it

925
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: was always you know that that phrase, if someone shows

926
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: you who they are, believe them. And I feel that

927
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: way about scenes, so you know, we can write it.

928
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: And then I'm a collaborator with you guys, and I

929
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: remember that you were really trying to pay tribute to

930
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: the script and the script was wrong. So it was like, well, if, okay,

931
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: this has now been revealed to us that this scene sucks,

932
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: so what do we do? And we I do remember

933
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: just sitting there and thinking, you know, you two are

934
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: so talented that there's just too much in your way

935
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: and what is really what is really the scene about?

936
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: And when I do lectures or anything for young people,

937
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: I would say, when you direct, you only need to

938
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: know three things. You need to know how do you

939
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: get into this scene, what's your first moment, what's your transition,

940
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: how do you get out of the scene, what's the

941
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: last beat? And the most important thing is the tone.

942
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: What do you want to feel from this scene? And

943
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: what the three of us came up with was a

944
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: feeling and then it was just very boom boom boom

945
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: bom boom, and it was it was and I always

946
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: feel in service to that, and I also feel very

947
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: in service to actors because I feel scripts are blueprints

948
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: and sometimes it was something that you write is absolutely Oh,

949
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: it's like building a house. This is perfect. But then

950
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 1: sometimes you're making a room and you're like, this room

951
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: is terrible. Why so it's in the architecture. You have

952
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: to go back and do it. But I do remember

953
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: that day. I also remember that day. You probably don't

954
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: remember this, but it was raining so hard and that

955
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: we had to do one takeover because that we had

956
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: that crazy roof above the choir room and it was

957
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: a sound thing. Yeah, so I remember thinking wow about that.

958
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: I have such a memory of that moment in time.

959
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: I also remember that I was smoking cigarettes that yes,

960
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: and Zach Woodley and I would go between. That was

961
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: my reward if I got a scene right, we'd take

962
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: I called it smoga smoking in yoga. Yeah. But it

963
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: was such a vivid time in my life and that

964
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: that idea, and also just the craziness that I thought

965
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: I could say this doesn't work, Okay, let's do it

966
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: without calling the studio or people who would have proved

967
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: the script, like the use of me to do it.

968
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: But well, I mean they'd picked you up for a

969
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: back nine and said we want more of you. So yeah,

970
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: they did, and I felt very like I was just

971
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: becoming who I was supposed to become after when I could,

972
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: was just beginning to show people what I could do,

973
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: as you two were, as the cast was, so it

974
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: was all that show was the beginning for so many

975
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: people and about so many things. Yeah, well I'm glad,

976
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: I'm glad you liked my directing you guys, thank you?

977
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, now we did. Every time you would come in,

978
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: it was like you knew exactly what you wanted. We

979
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: made our days. It was clear it felt good when

980
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: you walked away. I think as an actor a lot

981
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: of the time like they're like they directors put so

982
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: much trust than their actors, which is amazing, but there's

983
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: also a sense of like leadership that has to be

984
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: driving the ship. And like we knew if when you

985
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: came in, we were like, this episode it's gonna be great.

986
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: It's going to be cos if it's going to be streamlined,

987
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: and I'm going to feel good walking away because we

988
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: know you're going to get out of us what you

989
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: want and like, you know, always be like Gena bigger,

990
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: gena bigger the hair tip flips the things, and it's

991
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: I look crazy, but it's funny, like it's it's what

992
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be, right, and that as an actor

993
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: is always like God, it feels so good to walk

994
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: away from something and feel good about your work. Yeah.

995
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: I always tried to do on that show was to

996
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: the idea that I would say more, bigger, more bigger,

997
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: like some crazy fashion photographer. But I really wanted all

998
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: of you, particularly in that first season, to show what

999
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: you could do the most and not the least of you. Yeah.

1000
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: It didn't want you to feel edited, and I didn't

1001
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: want you to feel small, and I didn't want you

1002
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: to feel constricted. And I think you can feel that

1003
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: and that those first two seasons, it was people were

1004
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: allowed to be the best of you, the worst least

1005
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: of you. Yeah. You coming in after a couple episodes,

1006
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: you go, I'm over this nerdy thing. We gotta and

1007
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: you would push me to get out of this, like

1008
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: the nerdy thing. I was like, Okay, he's giving me permission.

1009
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: I guess I need to like, yeah, I can change

1010
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: it up, Okay, So like more important than even the

1011
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: making of that episode, for me was the camaraderie and

1012
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: the making of it. Like what I really really loved

1013
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: about that and every time I directed was you know,

1014
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: it was fun to do and I loved it. But

1015
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: I the thing that I treasure and will take to

1016
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: my grave that was it will make me emotional. Was

1017
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: like the moments, like when we were doing something nutty

1018
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: like that, and I remember after that rehearsal, it's a change,

1019
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: and you know then it took a while to get

1020
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: the lighting fixed and change the thing. And so we

1021
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: would just sit off in another room and those horrible

1022
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 1: director's chairs would throw our backs up and we would

1023
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: just talk and eat, and there was that weird craft

1024
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: service room and it was it was really a rainy

1025
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: season in LA that year, and I just remember we

1026
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: would all hang out and just talk and talk and

1027
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: talk and laugh, and I would see you guys do

1028
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 1: things in your real life, and I remember thinking, how

1029
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: funny you know you were, Kevin. So I remember saying,

1030
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: we'll just be more like that, or Jenna the same,

1031
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: just be more of the thing that makes you a

1032
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: sparkly person. And that would not have come unless we

1033
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: were all so close and hanging out and joking singing

1034
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: like I can remember you two also always knew what

1035
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: the the hot tunes worth the time finger on the pulse.

1036
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: You know, you're not the only tastemaker out I wasn't

1037
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know how it runs. We would do that,

1038
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,439
Speaker 1: um Amber and I would have a lot of fun

1039
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: with her teaching me how to do the runs. And

1040
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: also like I remember you guys turning me onto so

1041
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: much music. Yeah, it's like yeah, like I don't really

1042
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: think I was familiar with the artists known as Genuine

1043
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: and his Hip Pony and so you're welcome. We were

1044
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: thank you until we would be off camera You're like, hey,

1045
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: listen to this and I'm sorry. But some there were

1046
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: weren't people still having like Sony Walkman's then with the

1047
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: with the CDs in it and stuff, and like it

1048
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 1: was such a long time. They were like the little

1049
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: the little iPods. It was like without first generation Ipodsay iPods,

1050
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: Sony Walkmans. What can I say, I'm older than you?

1051
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: Really fun? Yeah, that was what all those Madonna stories,

1052
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Did you have any This is

1053
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: the last time I will talk about her, But you

1054
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: have any other Madonna fun facts you want to know. No,

1055
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: did you have you seen her since? Like, have you

1056
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: seen her in person or talk to her since? Um?

1057
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: I had of Again, have you talked about did the

1058
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: episode come up at all? No? So far removed. Madonna

1059
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: is not someone whom I think looks towards the past,

1060
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: gat I mean, which is why her going on tour?

1061
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: All right? Right? Are you gonna go see it? Are

1062
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: you kidding? Of course? And I'm also gonna go to

1063
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift And I'm I'm very excited about my my Beyonce.

1064
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they're all going on tour. I'm going, I

1065
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: know together, that's gonna Beyonce together. I will pay for

1066
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: the tickets because I will die. I am so excited.

1067
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to go as many times as

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Speaker 1: I've seen her six times already. You've seen Beyonce six times? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I've seen her six times. I went with Gwyneth Knew.

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01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: I was so obsessed once and she brought me once

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Speaker 1: and I heard he's seen the tour. I'm like, I'll

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Speaker 1: go with you. And then she was late and I

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01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: showed up to the suite and it was me and

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01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: jay Z by ourselves for like twenty minutes, and I

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01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: stood in a corner and didn't speak anyone because I

1076
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: was so scared. You were scared. Why He's so lovely,

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01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: He's so nice, and I had met him before, but

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01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: I just really felt like, I'm not supposed to be here.

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01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: This is Beyonce's family's sweet. You know, she's another one.

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01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: She was so Beyonce. She was so kind about the show.

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01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: She gets permission for all of those songs. She was

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01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: so supportive and sweet. And I had not met her.

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01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: She's so nice, except I did run into her once,

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01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: and like what happened was I was at I was

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01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: in a doctor's office and they were like to get

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01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: some sort of like vitamin shot, and they were like

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01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: go down, turn left, and turn to the turn, and

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01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: so I didn't know what I was doing, and it

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01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it was one of those places

1090
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: with hushed music and candles and everyone spoke like this.

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01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: And I opened up a door and literally lit like

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Speaker 1: an angel. Was Beyonce getting an ivy drip of vitamins.

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01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: And I was so startled that I just turned the

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01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: door and I'm like Hi. She's like HI, Like nice

1095
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: to meet you. She's like it's great to meet you.

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01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: What are you here for I think I'm doing what

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01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: you're doing. It's okay, great, and it was just you

1098
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: get to meet your idols, you know, and she and

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01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: usually you know, the big ones are the nice ones. Yeah,

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01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: you don't being a complete asshole? No, exactly. No. When

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01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: she you know, she has a reputation with Madonna, I

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01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: think of being, you know, tough, but I will say again,

1103
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: in the process of working with her, always the most kind,

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01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: the most generous, really nice. And then I've had some fun,

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01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: fun um moments with her that you know. Yeah, she's

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01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: she's a force. Yeah, well, let's go see Beyonce together.

1107
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: I'll go to Taylor with you. I'll go to Taylor. Okay, great,

1108
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: what song do you want to hear the most of

1109
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: these concerts? I want to hear Renaissance from start to finish.

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01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: That's all I want. That's what you're looking for. Yeah, mastermind,

1111
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: I want to hear Lavender Hayes. I want to hear

1112
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: I want to hear her whole Midnight album. I'm very

1113
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: excited about it, very I'm very excited about that Midnight's

1114
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: album too. I love it. I love her. Yeah, I

1115
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: think all of these women, you know, with what they're

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01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: doing with their music and how they're you know, influencing

1117
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: women and gay people in other minority groups. It's incredible, Um,

1118
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,919
Speaker 1: you know, for a long period of time, like they're

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01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: not just flashes in the pan there. But how lucky

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Speaker 1: that you guys get so many of them. You know,

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01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: I had was Madonna, that was it. She was the

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01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: only one, which makes her um yeah, what she had

1123
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: to do to right through the system and win and right.

1124
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: So that's what so our summer's planned apparently, Yeah, Taylor

1125
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: Swift and then we're doing Beyonce and then we'll do Maddonna.

1126
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Speaker 1: Yeah right. I'm really happy for us. This is really working.

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Speaker 1: I have one last question for you guys, because since

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01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: from from you know, I'm very proud of you that

1129
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: your your show you're doing is the cultural gatekeepers of Glee.

1130
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: So I think I've listened to them, and I love them,

1131
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: and I think what you do. What I love is

1132
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: you talk about the positive things about the show yeah, um,

1133
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,919
Speaker 1: and the legacy of the show. But have you guys

1134
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: all as a cast internally, what are your feelings about

1135
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: a reboot like or because you know, what do you

1136
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: how do you what do you think about that should

1137
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: we do it or should we not do it? Or

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01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: should should it be left alone? Why should ask you? Ryan?

1139
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: Are you toying with this? Are you playing with this

1140
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: in your head? Well? I get asked about it all

1141
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: the time. Do you want to do it? Everybody's been

1142
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: asking that now everybody wants to you know, it's an

1143
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: interesting thing, and um, I think what does that look

1144
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: like to you? I think is the biggest thing? You know?

1145
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: Is it is? I mean, it's it's a format that

1146
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: works in a way where you can take all new

1147
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: people in a different city, in a different state, you know,

1148
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: and show the underdogs and the outcasts and do the

1149
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: same thing. Is it bringing back all the old people

1150
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: who are teachers or something? I don't know. I think

1151
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: it depends on what it is. I think the legacy

1152
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: of the show. Now, what's tough about bringing shows back

1153
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: is does it feel like you're hurting what has already

1154
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: been accomplished or tarnishing whatever? But anything you do I

1155
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: think is great, So I don't you're the mastermind. As

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01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift said, Yeah, that's funny that they played that

1157
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: song when I was walking on stage to get that award,

1158
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: which I thought was absolutely hilarious. You know what they

1159
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: wanted to they wanted they wanted to hilariously. They wanted

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01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: to do um walk, have me walk on. They wanted

1161
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: to play Don't rain on My Prey, And I was like,

1162
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: absolutely burst into gay flames. I can't have that happen.

1163
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: And so they did that as a joke, and I

1164
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: think that she cleared it and sweetly said yes. And

1165
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: so when I heard it, I was like, is this mastermind?

1166
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: You can see in my face? I was walking at

1167
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: under the stage where they thought was that they were

1168
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: making fun of me in a lovely way. But she

1169
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: was sweet to say yes and yeah, But I don't know.

1170
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm of two minds. You know, first of all, you

1171
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: talk about they can't say anything worse than has already

1172
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: been said, so that's off the table. And it also

1173
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: was like the thing that I love about the show

1174
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: now is there are people watching it. They're you know,

1175
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: it's streaming everywhere, and there are people watching it. Young people,

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01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: my children's age ten, eight nine, who have no knowledge

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Speaker 1: at all of anything we all went through. They only

1178
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: see the very pure work. And somebody told me that

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01:07:54,720 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: their daughter last Halloween went as go Chier Madonna because

1180
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: she had watched the Glee episode of Madonna, and I thought, well,

1181
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: how amazing is that? So those are the things to

1182
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: think about, like it's the work that lasts and all.

1183
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: I never have believed that, by the way, but in

1184
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: this case, I do think it's true. Like it's it's

1185
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: a feeling and they can feel it and it teaches

1186
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: them about something, And part of me feels like, well,

1187
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great to do another run of that

1188
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: show and do a lot of other songs that artists

1189
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: pay tribute to things? And how fun would that be? Yeah?

1190
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the show's been off what for eight years?

1191
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: There's so much more music too, and I'm like, oh

1192
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: my god, we would have done that in the day.

1193
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: There's just so many What do you think we would

1194
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: have done? Because I have my ideas, I know two

1195
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: things we would have done and would have been we

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01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that would have been good. We

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01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: would have done Hamilton, yes, is the school musical? Definitely

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01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: Hamilton or Dear Evan Hansen. Um. We definitely would have

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Speaker 1: done a Taylor uh tribute tribute and maybe a Beyonce

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01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: tribute since we've done so much Beyonce but like a

1201
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: proper tribute. Um, we almost did a Taylor tribute, which

1202
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: was we had to change it because I couldn't get,

1203
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, the permission. But remember when Chord had it

1204
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: was originally going to be he was going to form

1205
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: a band called the Taylor Swift Experience. That's right, Yes,

1206
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: that then became I couldn't get the rights to everything

1207
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 1: and do it in the way that I wanted. Then

1208
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: became the John Mayer Experience. John Mayer was like, I

1209
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to do that yet. I

1210
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: don't even remember what did it end up being? Justin Bieber?

1211
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber's right. It's also funny, is Chord is good

1212
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: friends with both of them John Mayer and Taylor spid

1213
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: So said yes, so it was kind of fun. Right.

1214
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: What what would we have done that wouldn't have been good? Right? Well,

1215
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean we did we doubt I'm not that it

1216
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: would have been good. Would have been you know, we

1217
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 1: definitely would have done a Taylor Swift tribute, particularly now

1218
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: because you know the thing about those tribute episodes is

1219
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: there they were you have to have a sort of visual,

1220
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: iconic flair. Yeah, so, um right, I just I just

1221
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: know that Tina would have sung Lavender Hayes. I just God,

1222
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: bless you, let's do bring it back and I'm ready.

1223
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: And for Kevin, I would have had to have done

1224
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: a Beyonce tributal. That we did several Beyonce songs, I

1225
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: mean between Kevin and Namber were good. Yeah, I don't know.

1226
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: We probably would have done. The thing about the show

1227
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 1: that's so weird is you know I did my cultural

1228
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: things so um. The school musical was the Rocky Horror

1229
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: Picture Show. As a kid, I wanted to do Rocky

1230
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 1: Horror Picture Show. The very idea that we did something

1231
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: connected to rumors and Saturday Night fever. Your age were like,

1232
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: what is this? But the joy of that is like

1233
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: the Madonna episode when we did the Fleetwood Mac tribute.

1234
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: You know, that album relaunched on the charts and a

1235
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: whole new generation of people got to see it. So yep, yes,

1236
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: it was quite well, that's like the gift that keeps

1237
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 1: on giving even you know, like I remember for Journey

1238
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: like that was Don't Stop like was right behind us

1239
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: on the charts as well, when our Don't Stop was up,

1240
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, at number one, And that was another thing

1241
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: I was told not to do. I mean, there were

1242
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: so many things I was told not to do, but

1243
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: that was one song people like, don't do that. The

1244
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: sopranos just did that I talked about. But he then

1245
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: showed up yep, right, and he was there and we

1246
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: got to meet him, and that a surreal special Yeah. Yeah,

1247
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: it's funny now because if you do look. Sometimes I

1248
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: don't read things, but people will send me, like fan

1249
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: site or whatever, roundups of like the seventy five best

1250
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: Glee songs ever, and then it's fun to click through

1251
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: them because they're just one person's opinion to see like, well,

1252
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: what's number what's in the top ten? Right? And it

1253
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: always moves, that always changes. It's never constant from year

1254
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: to year, for sure. And except don't stop believe that

1255
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: always this number one, because like, could you not do that?

1256
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: Right now? I don't know. The reboot is interesting. It's

1257
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: like there's like a feeling that's like I think a

1258
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: lot of people would do it and be a part

1259
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: of it. And what is it that we want to say? Right?

1260
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: What is it that people want to say after all

1261
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: this time? Which I think is important in thinking about it.

1262
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: If there were even an option, right, if there's something

1263
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: that you were thinking about doing, but like, yeah, it

1264
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 1: would be difficult. But if I did do it, you know,

1265
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: I would want to take it back to the feeling

1266
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: of right the first year, I don't think I would

1267
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,879
Speaker 1: do you know, Outland just tributes right off the bat,

1268
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: although I thought what mister Shoe did or Jane's character

1269
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: Sue did as a learning curve, was like, well, that's

1270
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: a really good instruction. That's a good lesson for kids

1271
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: to like, that's great. Like so it was it was

1272
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: about something, right, so I could see doing it. It

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Speaker 1: would It would. I don't know when or how or why,

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Speaker 1: but no, for sure, everybody's asking about it. That was

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Speaker 1: so funny because there's so many reboots out there. Party's cousin,

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Speaker 1: you know, cousin. Do you too think that you've you've

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Speaker 1: left Ohio? I would, first of all, I would pretend

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Speaker 1: that the last episode, whatever happened, everybody was like not yeah,

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Speaker 1: just yeah, it's dam it was a future dream. Do

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Speaker 1: you two think that your characters are still in Ohio? No,

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Speaker 1: I think we got I think Tina got out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where did they go? Well, Tina and to Brown, So

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Speaker 1: I think she got some You know, like she got

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Speaker 1: a little excited and then she became some crazy CEO

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Speaker 1: of some you know, startup company and yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: travels East West. And I think I would imagine that

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Speaker 1: Tina had like had become like some sort of businesswoman

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Speaker 1: tycoon like Bethany Franklo with her own like mart tales.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely think that. Yeah, And I'm just going to say it.

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Speaker 1: I think her company is called Sober Curious and it's

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01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: just still a line of effervescent non alkohol ers. And

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Speaker 1: I also think that Tina, who had so much style,

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Speaker 1: like lives like a baller. And I think she's in

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Speaker 1: real good shape. Oh yeah, absolutely, Architectural Digest every other month,

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01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: and and she looks back on that time when she

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Speaker 1: had a goth phase. I remember that goth phase. I

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Speaker 1: had what I did kill it my steampunk. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: I think I think Artie is in the music business. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he's either like an executive in the

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Speaker 1: film or music business. I think for sure he I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you ask me these questions, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: why do I feel he lives in Miami. I would

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Speaker 1: like to see that as Miami. I think there's some

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Speaker 1: Latin music influence that you saw a moment and you

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01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: went and you and you're connected to Ricky Martin and

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01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: something's happening. I already signed Bad Bunny, already signed Bad Bunny.

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01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 1: That okay, but happen that's great? God, are you talking

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01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: about it? Like, oh yeah, Ricky Martin was in the

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Speaker 1: show on and on and on, great wonderful people, and

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Speaker 1: yeah you nailed it. Oh man, thanks for spending so

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Speaker 1: much time with us. Yes, of course I'd love to

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Speaker 1: what am I coming back? What episode was the next

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01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: one to tear apart and discuss and break down. I

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Speaker 1: think the guy, I think the Gaga one would be

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01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: very very interested to talk to about how that came

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Speaker 1: to be. Yes, let's talk Gaga. What are the other

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Speaker 1: big ones in season two coming? Rocky Horror, love to

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01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: talk about Bert. Let's see Sylvester shuffle. I mean that

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01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: was crazy the super Bowl episode. Um, blame it on

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01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 1: the alcohol. Oops. I love that one. Born this Way

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01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: was the Gaga one. That sounds fun. Rumors is right

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Speaker 1: after that we can do maybe we can do back

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Speaker 1: to back, back to mac. We'll do a Born this

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Speaker 1: Way in rumors that's eighteen and nineteen. We also have

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01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,919
Speaker 1: some fan questions that we can ask you then too. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is the this is the end, the fan questions.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready, Oh do you want to do some fan questions?

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Speaker 1: Do it hit me great? What was the hardest character

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Speaker 1: to write? The hardest character to write was Sue, But

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01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: that was Ian Brennan's problem because it was just it

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01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: was so written in a from his brain context, and

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Speaker 1: I was always so terrified to touch anything because run

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01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: on sentences, have to run on sentences, and then you'd

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Speaker 1: you'd see Jane do it and you'd be like, oh God, well,

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01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: of course that was that was the hardest one to write. Um.

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Speaker 1: I also think Mister Shoe was hard to write. I

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Speaker 1: think that I think that mister Shoe has gotten a

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01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: bad rap um literally, and I think that it was

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01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: It was hard to be the center of force of

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01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: a show where you're the moral authority, and sometimes that

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01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: means that the people are around you were more sparkly

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01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: and you have to be. But Matt did a great

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Speaker 1: job not doing that. M was Jesse Saint James's name,

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Speaker 1: Jesse Saint James, so Corey could sing Jesse's Girl great.

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01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: A lot of people ask that, and I mean we

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Speaker 1: knew Jonathan. I had been friends with Jonathan and Leah,

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01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: and when we decided to come on and we were

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Speaker 1: going to do that thing, we were talking about his

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Speaker 1: name and I'm like, well, obviously it has to be

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Speaker 1: Jesse so that Corey can sing that song. So yes, iconic. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you could go back and change everybody asked this,

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Speaker 1: if you could go back and change any storyline from

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Speaker 1: the show, what would it be. I wouldn't change anything. Um,

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Speaker 1: I would Um, There's nothing I would change there, you know,

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01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: and no, nothing great. Did an actor ever not like

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Speaker 1: a storyline and ask you to change it? Yes? Did

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Speaker 1: you change it? Yeah? I think so. I mean I

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Speaker 1: still do that to this day. I mean sometimes it

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01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: got it got a little nuttie there. But if it

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Speaker 1: was a logical reason, like like we talked about how

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Speaker 1: I direct, like, I always feel like, well, tell me

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Speaker 1: what you don't like. Most of you know this character

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Speaker 1: better than I do in some regards, so I would

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Speaker 1: There would always be moments. The one thing about the

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Speaker 1: Glee cast for the most part is people were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you you want me to do that? Okay, here we go,

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01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: and then you would just try it. Because some of

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Speaker 1: it was so crazy and nuttie, yes and yeah, true

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Speaker 1: or false? Fun Due for two was a fan idea.

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Speaker 1: You'd have to ask Ian that because he he was

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Speaker 1: connected to that in a way that I wasn't. But

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Speaker 1: as soon as he told me about it, I remember saying, yes,

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01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: we're doing fun du for two. What would happen if

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Speaker 1: one of the actors got sick and couldn't record the song?

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01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: Did that ever get up the chain to you? Did

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01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: you ever have yeah, because you know, we'd have to

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Speaker 1: move scenes around, and it was always you know, we'll

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01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: get better and we're not doing it and right, yeah, right,

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01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,799
Speaker 1: there's very rare times that, like Kevin that I remember,

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Speaker 1: like if you were sick, we would just do it

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01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: and we just record it, and they'd like make us

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01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: sound good and we'd be like, okay, keep moving. I

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01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: mean I directed a couple of episodes. I was sick,

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Speaker 1: I had a fever, and you just did it. And

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Speaker 1: then there's last one, last one. It's not a question.

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Speaker 1: She says. I love you, Ryan Murphy, thank you for

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01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: being a genius and sharing your mind with us. Mister

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01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: minds so well, thank you. I always love to hear

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Speaker 1: nice things, and I'm so grateful to be able to

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Speaker 1: keep talking about this great experience we had. So thank

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Speaker 1: you too, Ryan, Thank you so so much. Yeah, it's

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01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: so good to see you, and I'll see you a

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01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: lot this summer at all of our concert tours. I

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01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: can't wait our tour, our tour as the beginning. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be working on my outfit now. Thanks guys, Thanks Ran,

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01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: love you bye. Wow wow wow wow. Yeah you said

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01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: earlier like we could talk forever, like even we know

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01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 1: she's a busy lady and yet she's um. I you know,

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01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: I wish we could to Ryan every week. I know

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01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: he should be the third the third host of I mean,

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01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 1: he is essentially sorry. Yeah, um, thank you again Ryan

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01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: for doing this, Thank you all for listening. We hope

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Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed it. Apparently we'll have Ryan back again

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01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: for season two at some point. I love that for us.

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Speaker 1: Talk about rumors, let's talk about lady God, let's talk

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01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 1: about all of it. Yeah, thanks for listening. You guys

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Speaker 1: come back next week to recap with us, and we'll

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01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: have another lovely guest. And that's what you were in

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01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: the missed. Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram

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Speaker 1: to write us a review and leave us five stars.

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Speaker 1: See you next time.