1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome to another episode of Let's Be Clear 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: with Shannon Doherty. I have a ridiculously special guest today, 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: Christina Ricci, who I absolutely adore. 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 3: Hi. Hi, I'm so happy to be honest. 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: I'm like thrilled that you're on. It's uh, I don't know. 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: It brought like a huge smile to my face and 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I love that girl. 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: When you first announced it on your in the comments 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 3: on your Instagram, I wrote, I want to be on, 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 3: And then I was like, don't make this about you, Christina, please, 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: So I like took it off and then waited a 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: couple of days and then privately DMG, oh. 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: You can totally make it about you. I'm fine with that. 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: How did we meet? We met for the first time 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: in New Zealand, right. 17 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 3: In New Zealand at a con convention in New Zealand. Yeah, 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: and I was really appreciative because it was my first 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: well no, it's my second convention. But I felt really 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: insecure and you immediately took charge and where we like 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 3: stole some pa to drive us home in her personal 22 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: car because they were taking too long. 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 4: To get the cars. 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: It was gonna be like an hour. Wait, yeah, it 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: was too much. 26 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 4: It was good. 27 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,639 Speaker 3: It was good to see too, because now it taught, 28 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: you know, I learned. I learned to be more you know, 29 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 3: not forceful, but just like, no, we're getting out of here, resourceful. 30 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: Let's say I learned to be a little bit more 31 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 3: resourceful and not just do whatever I was told in 32 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 3: those situations, which is very helpful. 33 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: So here's what's kind of interesting to me is that 34 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: we both were childhood actors. I mean, I know that 35 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: you did Mermaids when you were nine, but what age 36 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: were you when you first started. 37 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: I first started, you know, I was almost eight, so 38 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: seven but really almost eight, and I just started going, 39 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 3: you know, the daily auditions every day after school. Would 40 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: take the bus from New Jersey to New York and 41 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 3: go to like three auditions a day and come home. 42 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: And then I started doing commercials. I got sort of 43 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: fired for my first commercial because I didn't like my 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: mother and I did not respect how they had done 45 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: my hair and my mom basically, you know, and so 46 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be perky and I wouldn't smile because they 47 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 3: gave me this awful page. Boy that I just thought 48 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: was really unflattering, and my mom kind of looked at 49 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: me and was like, yeah, I wouldn't want to be 50 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 3: on camera looking like that either, and so I never 51 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: improved my attitude and they ultimately just let me go home. 52 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: That is an amazing story. 53 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: It was one of my first jobs, and I did 54 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 3: a lot of like voiceovers and commercials, and I did 55 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 3: one TV pilot and then I got Mermaids when I 56 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: was nine years old, so. 57 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: We have so much in common. 58 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: So I remember I auditioned for a commercial when I 59 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: was young, probably like you know, nine or something, and 60 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: it was for a cereal I don't think it's around anymore. 61 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: It was called houses or something, and I had like braids, 62 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: long braids, and all these girls had their hair all 63 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: like fluffed and pretty, and one of the moms turned 64 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: to my mom and said, like, don't you want to 65 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: take our hair down? 66 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: And my mom was like, no, like she likes it 67 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: in braids. She's a tomboy. 68 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: And I went into the room and they took two 69 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: kids at the same time to audition together but for 70 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: the same part, and the one kid was just so 71 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: energetic and like super chirpy, and I was just like, yeah, 72 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: have these great cereal and they're like, can you be 73 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: more energetic? And I'm like, I don't really eat this cereal, 74 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: so like I don't really know what it's about, and 75 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: they're like you can go now. 76 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, cool. 77 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: So I think we both had that sort of personality 78 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: when we were younger. 79 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember finding it really interesting when I first 80 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: started auditioning. I remember the first audition I ever went on, 81 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: the little girl who again they took both of us 82 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: two two at a time into the room. She knew 83 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: the casting director, she had brought him cookies, and she 84 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: was flirty, like eight years old, and I just remember thinking, wow, 85 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 3: I've never seen a child act like that, really friendly, 86 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: Like are we allowed to treat to talk to adults 87 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: like that? And my mother later was like, yeah, that 88 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: was weird. 89 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 4: She was very flirty. 90 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 3: I don't think you know, obviously she didn't have those intentions, 91 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: but that's sort of like, oh damn, like very and 92 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 3: I had never seen a kid act like that, so 93 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: that was interesting to me. But yeah, I was always 94 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: showing up to auditions, like I remember I went on 95 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 3: the callback for pet Cemetery and then my mom went 96 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 3: to pick me up from school, and I had gotten 97 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: a huge black eye from playing soccer. 98 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: But I still had to go to the audition with 99 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 4: my giant black eye. 100 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: And how did that go? 101 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 4: I didn't get it. 102 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: No, Oh that's okay. I think you went on to 103 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: much better things. How did Mermaids come about? 104 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 3: I just went on on the audition, and I happened 105 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 3: to be a competitive swimmer actually at the time, and 106 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: the character is a swimmer, and. 107 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 4: I just I went. 108 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: On to auditions like the original original audition a callback, 109 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 3: and then they flew me and one other girl to 110 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 3: Boston where they were shooting, and I auditioned with Share 111 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: and Wanona and like met with them and hung out 112 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: with them for any evening at the production office. 113 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: Was that intimidating to you at all? Or were you 114 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: just too young to really? 115 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 4: No, my data is great. 116 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: Like anytime I went and auditioned for anything in particular, 117 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: Like you know, once I had to audition for this 118 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: Harrison Ford movies, we watched all Harrison Ford movies, and 119 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: like when I went to auditioned for Mermaids, we did 120 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: a Share movie marathon. You know. I even watched Come 121 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 3: Back to the Five and Dime Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean, 122 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: which is so obscure, But my mom was always really 123 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: good at stuff like that, like even with photographers. If 124 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 3: I had to shoot with someone, we'd go to the 125 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: library and we'd look at all their stuff because this 126 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: is before the internet, guys, we would go and look 127 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: at all their stuff so I'd be prepared. So I 128 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: was really excited about going, and I really wanted the part, 129 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: and I remember being nervous, but you know, when you're 130 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: a kid, being nervous and being excited sort of meld together, 131 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: at least at least to my memory. And then everybody 132 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: was really nice, and Winona was lovely and so fun. 133 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 4: She was only seventeen at the time. 134 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: And Share was great, really fun also, and I don't know, 135 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: it just all was good and it worked out, so 136 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: it was great. 137 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: One of the things I love about your career I 138 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: love a lot of things about your career, is that 139 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: you have just sort of transitioned. It seems seamlessly from 140 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: you know, blockbuster movies like Mermaids, like Sleepy Hollow, like 141 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: Adam's Family Too, you know, really cool independent movies and 142 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: then TV like you know, the New Wednesday. 143 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: I'm glad it appears that way it does. 144 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: It does is that I mean, listen, I know how 145 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: hard it is, and it's like you want the best 146 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: job possible, and sometimes you take a job for money. 147 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: It doesn't buy your resume, it doesn't really look like 148 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: you have ever done that. 149 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: I've taken so many jobs for money, so many jobs 150 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: for money. 151 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 4: In fact, I was. 152 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: Told, just like I don't know, ten twelve years ago 153 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: that if I didn't need, if I didn't have to 154 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: take so much work for money, I could have a 155 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: much more curated, better career. 156 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: And it really is true. When you don't have to 157 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 4: work for money, you can wait. 158 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: Or spend all your time developing that perfect project for yourself. 159 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: But when you're somebody who, like I don't come for money, 160 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: we were very poor when I was a kid, I've 161 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: always had to support myself. I've never been good with money, 162 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: so like I blew all my money in my twenties 163 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: and then had to like hustle to try to make 164 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: it back and all that stuff. 165 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 4: I've definitely taken a lot of jobs for money. 166 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: They're just because, like, if you like, I've done close 167 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: to one hundred movies, but only people only really know 168 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: about twenty maybe of them. 169 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: What's the favorite, Like, what is your absolute favorite movie 170 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: that you've done. 171 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 4: As an audience, as like a moviegoer a. 172 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: Movie fan, I would say, I really love Ice Storm, 173 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: and I really love I love Buffalo sixty six too. 174 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: I think those are really fun movies. I love this 175 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 3: movie I did called The Opposite of Sex when I 176 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: was seventeen, that yeah, it's so fun and it was 177 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: such and that also was an incredible experience. So I 178 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: think for me that was that's a movie where I 179 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: love the finished product. But I also had a really 180 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: amazing experience because Don Ruse, who wrote and directed it, 181 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: became I became very close with him and his husband, 182 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: Dan Bucatinski, and I ended. 183 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 4: Up living with them. 184 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: I was seventeen, and I did want to go home 185 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 3: back to New York to live with my mom afterwards 186 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: that I had graduated high school, so I was I 187 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: basically told. 188 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: Them I would be moving into their house and they 189 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 4: let me. 190 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: I lived with them for like six months in LA 191 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: but they got to you know, and it just was 192 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: like a really wonderful experience. 193 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 4: And it was a part where I didn't have to 194 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 4: pretend to be. 195 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I certainly wasn't extremes that as extreme as 196 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: that character. But I had a bad attitude as a 197 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: seventeen year old, and I got to just I don't know. 198 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: I was always relieved when I was younger to not 199 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: have to to not have to be something that I 200 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: didn't respect. 201 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: I guess you talk. 202 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: I mean, most seventeen year olds, I think have a 203 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: bad attitude. Yeah, you know, I mean I think that 204 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: that's what your teenage and early twenty years are about, 205 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: is finding yourself, discovering who you are, finding your voice, 206 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: what your limitations are. 207 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: You know. 208 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: I obviously didn't learn the art of diplomacy until it 209 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: was well into my thirties. I was apparently a late bloomer. 210 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 4: I'm still I'm still learning. So I completely get that. Yea, 211 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 4: how you when you started nine to two and oh. 212 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: I think I just turned eighteen, like I think I 213 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: did the Pilot when I was seventeen and a half. 214 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: That was just such a huge show from the very beginning. 215 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean I definitely wasn't expecting it, and 216 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: to me, I had, you know, I'd been on Little 217 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: House in New Beginning, and I thought that I'm going 218 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: to age myself. That was like the cast me out 219 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: the cat's pajamas, Like that was everything to me. It 220 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: was like Michael Landon and then I did our house 221 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: and then I had done Heather, So I really didn't 222 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: I didn't think it would get bigger than that, And 223 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: I was very unaware of like myself and what I 224 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 2: was projecting out into the public or to the people 225 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: that I was working with. And nine o two when 226 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: I was like a huge wake up call and one 227 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: that I was definitely not ready for and prepared for, 228 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 2: and I didn't handle it all that well at times. 229 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: You know. 230 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: It was also, as you know, a very different time 231 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: in the business, particularly for women, and if you were 232 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: young and working and you had a strong mom, like 233 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 2: my mom always went to set with me. She'll be 234 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: the first person to say that she wasn't always the 235 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: strongest person, but she learned in going to sets with 236 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: me and then taking care of my dad, who was 237 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: sick the majority of my life, that she learned how 238 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: to find her voice and be strong. But moms would 239 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: always get labeled as stage moms if they stuck up 240 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: for their child, and then as we got older into 241 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: that like seventeen eighteen nineteen category. If we stuck up 242 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: for ourselves, we were branded difficult. I don't know if 243 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: you were ever. I know I was one hundred percent 244 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: branded difficult a bunch of times. But you really had 245 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: to fight for yourself. 246 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was this awareness of it not being okay 247 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: to speak up that when you fid when you did 248 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: speak up, there was a lot of kind of resentment 249 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 3: in it. I would hold my tongue and hold my tongue, 250 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: and by the time I spoke up, I was songat 251 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: because I'd had to muzzle myself for so long. 252 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 4: And then that's where I would. 253 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: Actually be very unpleasant, because I was mad and I'd 254 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: finally like gotten to a point where I couldn't help 255 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: but say something. Whereas now it's a little bit you're 256 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 3: allowed to express yourself and there's just so much more empathy, 257 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: I think, and collaboration and understanding. 258 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: I agree. 259 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I still think that we've taken huge strides 260 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: for women in the workplace period, whatever job that you're in, 261 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: but there's still, you know, restraints, there's still a ceiling. 262 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: It's still you know, a business, our business run by 263 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: a lot of men, and they still have, I think 264 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: an underneath sort of mentality of especially if you're not 265 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: at like the Julia Roberts, Nicole Kiinman, George Clooney level, 266 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: where you know, you're like, please tell me all of 267 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: your thoughts, But when you're at my level, it's more 268 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: of shouldn't you just be grateful that you have the job? 269 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: And I'm always like, God, Like, what a weird way 270 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: to exist in a business and in the world as 271 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: a woman where I have to just be grateful as 272 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: opposed to also having an opinion and a thought. 273 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: Can I hear you? 274 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 4: I feel the same. 275 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: And still I feel like I'm expected to feel incredibly lucky, 276 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: you know. And I was told that from the beginning too, 277 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: that I was so lucky and it was all just luck. 278 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 4: And being in the right place and time. 279 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: And I do think that that is a mechanism to 280 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: keep somebody from really being in their power. 281 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: You have two kids, as we know, your two year 282 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: old is going through a sleep issue, and you still, 283 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: you know, have to work. 284 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: How are you Because I don't have kids. I have 285 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: a dog. She's like my child. 286 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: But it's obviously a lot easier for me to sort 287 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: of pack up and go to a movie set or 288 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: a TV set, be away all day, Like, how do 289 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: you actually manage having a family life, taking care of 290 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: your kids and working all at the same time. 291 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: It is tricky. 292 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: It is tricky, and I also am very I do 293 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: have an awareness of not making it about that. 294 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 4: It's difficult for me because I. 295 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: Have children, because I don't want anyone to be like, well, 296 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: you just won't use her because it's so difficult for 297 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 3: her because. 298 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 4: She's a mom, you know. 299 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 3: So I'm really aware of that. But at the same time, 300 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: it is really difficult. You know, my kids do not 301 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: like it when I travel. When I'm away. I try 302 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: to take my son with me as much as I can. 303 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 3: But you know, and even though taking my son with 304 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: me with my two year olds, like I found the 305 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: last year I was commuting back and forth to Vancouver 306 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: for Yellow Jackets, she didn't know. 307 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 4: Me, you know, we had no bond, so that was 308 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 4: very upsetting. But I can't. 309 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: But you know, with TV too, if you're a series regular, 310 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: you have to pay for everything, so I can't. 311 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 4: Every time I go up and down, I can't. 312 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: Pay for four people, four flights, you know, and the 313 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: rooms that you would need and all it like, it's 314 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 3: just too expensive to travel with everybody all the. 315 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: Time, so it is difficult. I try to manage it. 316 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 4: I try to just get back as often as I can. 317 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 4: I think really the thing that I. 318 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 3: Learned, especially with my son, was just mixing him into 319 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 3: my work life. 320 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 4: You know, why can't he. 321 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: Come for the weekend to a convention and see what 322 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: it's like. You know, he came that one, you know 323 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: where I saw you and. 324 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 4: He wanted a job. 325 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 3: So we ended up taking all the selfies at the 326 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: table for everybody, and you know. 327 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 4: It was for me. 328 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: I've been able to sort of mix him into my 329 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: work life in a way that's been good. You know. 330 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: There are certain things like my son was never sleep 331 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: trained because I had to. 332 00:15:58,480 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 4: I had to go back. 333 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 3: To work when he was two months old, and my 334 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 3: husband at the time wouldn't help me at all with anything, 335 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 3: and I had to do all the night stuff and 336 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 3: get up and go to work for fourteen hours and 337 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: be on camera. So the only way I could do 338 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: that was to lie with him, and he would breastfeed 339 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: whatever he wanted and sleep with me. And I had 340 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: to have him in the bed with me just to 341 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: get enough sleep to be able to work the next day. 342 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 3: So that like again like set me up a little 343 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: bit for him not being sleep trained, which isn't great, 344 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: but I but I was doing it basically on my own, 345 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: So that part is tough. But I think, you know, 346 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: we just get through it, just keep going. It's not 347 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: I just repeat to myself all the time. It's temporary. 348 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: It's temporary. 349 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, you have a two year old, 350 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: so it's like. 351 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: Now I have a wonderful husband who does more than 352 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: you know, because again, and I went back to work 353 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: when she was two months old. I went and shot 354 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: Wednesday in Romania when she was two months old, and 355 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: marked it every single night all night long. Like I 356 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 3: just slept and worked the next day, and it made 357 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: such a huge difference. It was so much easier this 358 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 3: time around. You know, you have to have a good 359 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: supportive partner. 360 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean support systems, supportive partners. 361 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 3: Like even if you had lived with your like I 362 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 3: don't know, if my mother had been younger, I would 363 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 3: have been like, come, you have to move in and 364 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: help me, and you know, all those kinds of things, 365 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: so or you know, living I think that mommy communes 366 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 3: are a really good idea like a bunch of moms 367 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: living together with children sounds like a really good way 368 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 3: to go. I was just just telling someone recently that 369 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: I thought that was great. They looked at me a 370 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: little crazy, but whatever. I mean. 371 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 2: It's an interesting idea because it's literally a community of 372 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: women all sort of in the same position, being able 373 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: to lift each other up for each other, take care 374 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: of each other's kids, and have you know, this sort 375 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: of built in secure support system that so many people 376 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 2: don't actually have. Yeah, you know, the single moms basically 377 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: like you were in your first marriage, where you were 378 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: doing everything on your own. 379 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: Too. 380 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 2: You're having to go to work because first off, it's 381 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: what you do, it's your career. 382 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: You love it, it feeds your soul. 383 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 2: But also what pays the rent or the mortgage, the 384 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: car bill, the gas, the food on the table, and 385 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: you know, not coming from money. Much like myself, I 386 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: didn't come from any money. I had to work for everything, 387 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: just like you. 388 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: You have the added responsibility of two children. It's a lot. 389 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think too, I just I remember how 390 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: bad it felt, and I've gone I've actually gone through 391 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: periods as an adult where we were really, really broke, 392 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: and you just have that thing of like, I don't 393 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 3: ever want to feel this way again, Like it's a 394 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 3: visceral feeling. 395 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 4: I don't ever want. 396 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 3: To feel this like helpless, because I think that's really 397 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 3: not what Not having a lot of money makes you 398 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 3: feel like, it makes you feel very helpless. And so yeah, 399 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 3: there's a ton of that pressure and it's hard. It 400 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: definitely is because you have to work to support your family. 401 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 3: But at the same time, you working takes away. 402 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 4: Time from your family. 403 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's difficult. But I'm in a pretty 404 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: good place now again. I have like a really supportive husband, 405 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 3: and I've figured out a way of at least bringing 406 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 3: my son with me places and just have to work 407 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 3: it out in the future with my daughter. 408 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: It's so funny because talking about like I never want 409 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: to be broke again. I never want to be in 410 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: that position again. There are times where I started getting 411 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 2: controlled heavily and it was like, do I fight back. 412 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: Do I continue on my path of being truthful and 413 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: honest about like my life, life experience with you know, cancer, 414 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 2: my childhood, my friends, with my career with different co stars, 415 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: or do I back off and continue to play it safe, 416 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: and a friend of mine sent me like all of 417 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: the profiles of the of the like four or five 418 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 2: trolls that were, you know, posting, and they were like, 419 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: do you notice that they have zero post, zero followers, 420 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: zero anything. 421 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: It's a bot. 422 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: It's like a make believe account that you know someone's 423 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 2: created in order to troll you, Like this is what happens. 424 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: It's such a hard place to be in as an 425 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: actor and as a human being because a you know, 426 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 2: our natural instinct is we want everybody to like us. 427 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: We don't want to be hated. We don't want to 428 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: be trolled. 429 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: We're having to put ourselves out there on social media 430 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: because it's now a part of our job. It didn't 431 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 2: used to be and nowadays, and there's also a part 432 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 2: of it that's great because you're getting to connect with 433 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 2: people that you know are actually really supportive and lovely. 434 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: And there'll be you know, a million ten people commenting. 435 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: A million are great and ten are terrible, and the 436 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: ten are the loudest in your head worse. 437 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it is a very I mean, you know, 438 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 3: social media in general is just so it puts you 439 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: in such a vulnerable position and there can be a 440 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: lot of really crazy people out there, and you do 441 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: hear the negative stuff the loudest, and it's tough. I mean, 442 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 3: I have experience with a person who just like his 443 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: whole thing is posting horrible, nasty things about me. It's 444 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: just and it's like all stuff that's like made up 445 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 3: horrible things about my children, my family, like, and so 446 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,239 Speaker 3: I've just really had to I just had really had 447 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: to ignore it. And it's like that school ground mentality 448 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 3: of like ignoring the bully or the people that are 449 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: nice to you, but on such a huge level and 450 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 3: such a public platform. But I think it really is 451 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 3: important that people experience their lives with what's right in 452 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 3: front of them. You know, you go through your life 453 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: and you should be in your body, living your life 454 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: and dealing with what's tangible and in front of you. 455 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: And a lot of these other concepts like fame or 456 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: what somebody you don't even know thinks about you, or 457 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: all these things that they do exist, but they're not 458 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: real and they're not in front of you, and they're 459 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 3: not going to directly affect your life. And so I've 460 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 3: always been very much somebody who's refused to let that 461 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 3: stuff in because it made me feel really upset, and 462 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 3: so I've always kind of just dealt with what is 463 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 3: directly in front of me and what makes me happy. 464 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 3: Not to say that I have always done what I 465 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: wanted to do without fear of judgment, but just that 466 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: I try not to let those things knock me off 467 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: my path. 468 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: I needed to hear that from you because I'm extremely sensitive. 469 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: I'm actually going to tear up talking about this. I 470 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 2: think going through cancer has made me even more sensitive. 471 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: It's like all of those walls that I was able 472 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: to build up from you know, being young in the business, 473 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: that protected me from everybody and where I was like, oh, 474 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: they have a bad opinion of me, I don't care. 475 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: All those walls with cancer got taken down. So there's 476 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: no shell. There's nothing to sort of guard and protect me. 477 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 2: And I take everything to heart and it really really 478 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: really really impacts me, and at the same time it's hurt. 479 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 2: As I get I find that I still get very 480 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: angry about it because it's a bunch of people telling 481 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: me what happened in my life that they didn't live, 482 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: versus like my actual reality that I lived. 483 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: And you feel like. 484 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: You have to constantly defend yourself and it is a 485 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: huge waste of time and energy for anyone, but particularly 486 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: when you're going through cancer treatment. 487 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: And it's just the lowest of the level. Also for 488 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 3: somebody to attack you, especially to attack anyone, and that's 489 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: what you you know, that you don't know, like why 490 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 3: go out of your way to do this stuff? But 491 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: also for them to go after you, to see you 492 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 3: as a target when you're going through so much and 493 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 3: you have dealt with so much and you're being so 494 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 3: honest and open and vulnerable, for someone to then want 495 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 3: to like stick the knife in is really low and 496 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: reveals so much more about that person's character that anything 497 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: negative they could ever say about you. 498 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 499 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: Like it's like the school It's again like the school bully. 500 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 4: Like if you're so ugly inside you need to do this, 501 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: then actually all you just did would show us that 502 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 4: there's something really wrong with you. 503 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: And I know, and that can be really and I 504 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: can't imagine being in that position, you know. I mean, 505 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 3: I'm not going through what you're going through, you know. 506 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 4: I don't. 507 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: I don't have all of that additional concern and stress 508 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 3: and pain, and it it's just gross that people go 509 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 3: after you in that way, and I don't know if 510 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: maybe you can step outside of yourself to judge them 511 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 3: the way that I would judge them, or somebody outside 512 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 3: of the situation would look at it, because once you 513 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 3: do that, you're just like, oh, this person is this 514 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 3: is this is garbage. 515 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 516 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 2: I think I said in a couple episodes prior, I 517 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: said that I felt like my podcast was free therapy, 518 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: that it was very cathartic, And I think I now 519 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: owe you like two hundred and fifty dollars for the hour, 520 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: like a therapist. 521 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 4: I fall that job a therapist. 522 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: You're really good at it. You're very, very very good 523 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: at it. 524 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: Well, no, I mean I have to say though, I 525 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: mean again, not to the same level at all. But 526 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 3: when I started doing press for Yellow Jackets and having 527 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 3: to post on social media images myself, just even as 528 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: somebody over forty, I had a really hard time. I 529 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: had a really hard time seeing these images. I had 530 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 3: a really hard time reposting them. I really couldn't reconcile 531 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 3: caring about what I looked like so much. The Instagram 532 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 3: beauty standard that you see where you see like other 533 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 3: people retouching your photographs and you're like, oh, I didn't 534 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: realize I needed that, But now I feel really weird 535 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 3: about myself. I had such a huge it was so 536 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 3: hard for me. But we have to find way is 537 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 3: to navigate it where it doesn't emotionally drag us down. 538 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 539 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: I don't know why anyone thinks that they have the 540 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: right to comment on someone's look. I was looking at 541 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: somebody else's Instagram who I think is absolutely wonderful, Paris Jackson, 542 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: and she posted something and I thought she looked gorgeous, 543 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 2: and people were, you know, trolling her. I imagine that 544 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: she probably gets trolled heavily. And meanwhile, she's this beautiful girl, 545 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: very talented, just seems very sincere. I don't know her personally, 546 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: and it really hit me. Why do people think that 547 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: they have the right to say such nasty, mean things 548 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 2: about another human being while they're like behind you know, 549 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 2: their phone, their device, whatever they're using to be on 550 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: social media. 551 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: They get to be anonymous. They're not being. 552 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: Trolled by me, by you, by Paris, by any of 553 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: those people, and yet they feel the need and what 554 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: you've said is right, Like, what is it about them 555 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: that's so ugly inside that they that it does it 556 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 2: really make them feel better about themselves to tear down 557 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: another human being? Because I don't imagine. To be clear, 558 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: for me, tearing down another person doesn't ever make me 559 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: feel good about myself. Being truthful about the things that 560 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: have transpired in my life is just me being truthful. 561 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: But there's never ill intent. I don't carry any hate 562 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: for anyone in my heart, and I would never purposely 563 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 2: go on somebody's Instagram and be like, oh my god, 564 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: you know you've aged, You've and I've had that happen 565 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: to me where people are like, dude, like cancer. 566 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: Is wrecking your looks. You look terrible, and I'm like. 567 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, oh I had when I was pregnant. 568 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: I had this a couple of people, I think only two, thankfully, 569 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: who wrote and were like, no more babies, Christina, you're 570 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: ruining You're ruining your looks, And I was just like, 571 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: I am pregnant. But I always immediately delete the comments 572 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 3: and block the people like ruthlessly. 573 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 4: I'm just like, nope, we're not doing this. You don't like, 574 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 4: get off my page. 575 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: So, knowing all of this about social media, is your 576 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: son he's only nine? 577 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: Is he on social media? 578 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 3: No? But but it is interesting. He's desperate to have Instagram, 579 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 3: to have a phone. Just recently, I had to make 580 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 3: sure Safari and all search engines were taken off of 581 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: his iPad because he's become really into anime and unfortunately, 582 00:29:53,120 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 3: when you search for anime shorts, you get porn. So yeah, 583 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 3: and it's really a problem. So we I've had to 584 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 3: like really take Safari off his iPad. He has no 585 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 3: more access to adult YouTube. Kids YouTube is just fine 586 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 3: for nine year olds, but he's obsessed with having a phone, 587 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 3: and I'm always. 588 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 4: Like, who are you gonna call? 589 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 3: You don't need to call anyone, You're fine, And he 590 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 3: really has. He wanted TikTok for a while and would 591 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 3: stop badgering me and Instagram. 592 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 4: But I really believe that it's not that it is uh. 593 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 3: I really think it's bad for kids and especially teenagers, 594 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: and he's not gonna have it. 595 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 4: He's just not. 596 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 3: I'm not. I just think they can have it when 597 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 3: they're older. And then also, if you're being bombarded with 598 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: what you should look like, what you should dress like, 599 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: what you should be listening to, what's wrong with you? 600 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 4: Why you're not just like everybody else? 601 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 3: That it's just I feel like it's just way too 602 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: much social and emotional pressure. 603 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: There's beauty in everyone, and to find your own version 604 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: of beauty is so incredibly important, and I don't think 605 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: that that can happen on social media right now. 606 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: It's too no. 607 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 3: And I also think it's really not healthy to be 608 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 3: so self obsessed. I also sometimes think, like, do I 609 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: want to post about this fantastic vacation that I'm on 610 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: that I've been given for free because I'm going to 611 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 3: post about it when other people are having trouble paying 612 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 3: the rent. 613 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 4: You know. 614 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 3: I just think there's not enough compassion in that direction 615 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 3: of this sort of like is it helpful for everybody 616 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 3: else for us to flaunt what we have? And I 617 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 3: guess it's a really impossible question because that is how 618 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: a lot of people. 619 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 4: Make their money. 620 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 3: So again, who am I to criticize? But I personally, 621 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 3: I'm always very aware of that. And I also got 622 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 3: to a point too where like I was putting filters 623 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: on my face and trying to make myself look perfect 624 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 3: all the time. 625 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 4: And then I was realized. 626 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 3: I realized, like, this actually isn't really helpful for another 627 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 3: forty three year old woman who who probably looks the 628 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 3: way I look without a filter. But because I put 629 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 3: this filter on, I'm setting I'm sort of creating disappointment 630 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 3: in somebody else. 631 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: Possibly it's an unrealistic standard. 632 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: You know, it's already been set by you know, let's 633 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 2: start with like the fashion industry that had fifteen year 634 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: old girls, Like, okay, you get to a certain age, 635 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 2: nobody's gonna have skin like a fifteen year old or 636 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 2: like an eighteen year old. You know, trickle down from 637 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: that into people getting a lot of fillers or botox 638 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: or this or that, and then and then using filters, 639 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 2: and it's setting a very unrealistic standard. And listen, that's 640 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: not to say like, of course I always want to 641 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: look my best in a photo. I definitely, uh you know, 642 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: I will retouch here and there. There are moments when 643 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 2: I'll just post something that like has me looking terrible 644 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 2: because I don't care, or I'll like take a photo 645 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: and try to find like the best light. I mean, 646 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: look at me now, like i've you know, my house 647 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: is nothing but like a big you know, open blak. Yeah, 648 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: it's like it's beautiful, Like if I turn that way, 649 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: it's going to look completely different, right, So obviously I 650 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 2: found like good lighting, but. 651 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 4: I think that that's different. 652 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 3: Good lighting is different than like literally going in with 653 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 3: the eraser and like or the face tune where you're like, 654 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 3: let's like my face a little thunner, my checkbones a 655 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 3: little water and then like, you know, wow, and then 656 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: it's almost embarrassing when you have like the pictures you 657 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 3: took on your Instagram versus the ones from the red 658 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 3: carpet where you actually. 659 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 4: Look the way you look. 660 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 3: I'm always like, well, this is well, this is really embarrassing. 661 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 3: I just I don't understand, like it's gotten me too 662 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 3: obsession with like being perfect, and like if I show 663 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 3: my age, then I failed, and it's like, well, we 664 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 3: all get older, it's not a failure. 665 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 4: I love what Pamela Anderson's doing. I love it. 666 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: I do too. By the way, I also think she 667 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: looks amazing. 668 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 3: She's got such like an interesting, strong, beautiful face. You 669 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 3: can see her personality so well, and I just I 670 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: just love her. 671 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 4: She's great. She's great. 672 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 673 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: I think she's definitely you know, challenging that idea of 674 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 2: what beauty is. And to me, she's far more beautiful 675 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: without the makeup than she was with the makeup, and 676 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 2: I think that there are certain women that have gone 677 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 2: out there and challenged that idea and just been themselves. 678 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 2: And I mean this has been good because we've got 679 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: a lot of things. We're not listening to the noise 680 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: of social media, the haters, you know, accepting our looks. 681 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 2: By the way, like if anybody said anything about the 682 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: way that you look, I would stalk them myself and have. 683 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: A little content. 684 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 2: You know, you're you're beautiful and you're What I really 685 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 2: like about you is that I think i'd like your 686 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 2: brain the most. 687 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 3: Well. I try to work on my brain the most, 688 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: because you know, I was never really anybody who was 689 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 3: successful for the way I looked. You know, it was 690 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 3: never about that for me, which I think has been 691 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 3: very lucky for me. But then as I got older, 692 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 3: I got caught up in all this stuff, which is 693 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 3: interesting because in my twenties I didn't really care. Like 694 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 3: I was very punk rock and I was you know, 695 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 3: I was chubby, and everybody talked. 696 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 4: About how fat I was, so I was like, you 697 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 4: want to call me fat? 698 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 3: Watch this? You know, So I it was it's only 699 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 3: like as I got older and wanted to be this 700 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 3: like lady that I've actually started caring about my looks 701 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 3: and I would like to go back to the other 702 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 3: person because I think she is so much more fun 703 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 3: and just you know, again, I should listen to my 704 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 3: own advice. It's really about what's going on in your brain. 705 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a healthier place to be where you 706 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 2: just go, Okay, I'm done, I'm done caring. It's just 707 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 2: it's it's very hard to get there. But you are 708 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 2: to me. The most beautiful women to me are the 709 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 2: women who are intelligent and thoughtful and eloquent and graceful. 710 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 2: And that has absolutely nothing to do no, but you 711 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 2: speak with grace, you know. 712 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 4: I don't know, I appreciate you saying that. I clearly 713 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 4: can't take a compliment. 714 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, I've noticed that, and I'm just going to 715 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 2: keep showering them on you because I love you that much. 716 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 2: And you also do work with a foundation. Do you 717 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 2: want to talk about that at all? 718 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was Rain's national spokesperson for a 719 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 3: long time, like I think almost ten years. I used 720 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 3: to go to DC and talk to the Appropriations Committee 721 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 3: about fully funding the Violence Skins Women's Act and all 722 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 3: that stuffs and RAIN is Rape Abuse Incess National Network. 723 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 3: And basically what they have done is that any time 724 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 3: you call like a rape crisis hotline, everybody it's all 725 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 3: connected and everybody's been trained in the same way, and. 726 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 4: You get a local person. 727 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 3: So you call the rain hotline and you get a 728 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 3: local person who then will be an advocate, meet you 729 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 3: at the hospital, help, be a person in between you 730 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 3: and the police, make sure everything will be collected properly, 731 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 3: that you will be treated properly. So it's really an 732 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 3: incredible organization. I went through the training, the sort of 733 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 3: hotline phone training as well, just so I could understand 734 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,919 Speaker 3: a little bit more about it, and so I worked 735 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 3: with them for. 736 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 4: A very very long time. 737 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 3: I have done a little bit less with them recently, 738 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 3: and especially since I became a mom, to be honest, 739 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 3: but yeah, I'm you know, I've been very involved in 740 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 3: that kind of field for a while and other women's 741 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 3: issues for sure. 742 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 2: And again going back to your career and like how 743 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 2: you know, incredibly diverse. I mean, I have your resume 744 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 2: in front of me, and I'm always like like, oh 745 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 2: my god, that's right. She was a nut and she 746 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 2: was a nut and she was in that like you 747 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 2: have worked consistently. But and I already said this to you, 748 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 2: what really really always stands out to me is how 749 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 2: diverse your career has been. But I always felt like 750 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 2: your talent always shines through and every single thing that 751 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 2: you do, And to me, you just have an amazing 752 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 2: career in one that I know that a lot of actors, 753 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 2: including myself, are very envious of, because it's the people 754 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 2: that you've worked with, and it feels like you've stayed 755 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: very true to who you are and to yourself. But 756 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 2: as an actor you've been able to like spread your 757 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 2: wings and show your depth. So two parts here to 758 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 2: this question is one, is there any process that you 759 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 2: go through as an actor when you take on certain roles? 760 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 2: And two is there a part that you haven't played 761 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 2: yet that you really want to? 762 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 3: I would say my process is very, I guess, very cerebral, 763 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 3: you know, I like to you know, I'll read a script, 764 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 3: take in the character, and then I find myself just 765 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 3: like that character lives in my head. So as I'm 766 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 3: going through the day, I'm in the back of my 767 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 3: mind thinking about that person. And just as an actor, 768 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 3: I think that triggers you trying on feelings in a 769 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 3: weird way. You know, I guess this person would feel 770 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 3: this way about that, and then you start feeling that way, 771 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 3: and it's sort of like a slow process of just 772 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 3: really becoming that person in your brain. For me, in 773 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 3: my brain without really trying to that happens to me 774 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 3: all the time where I realize halfway through doing something 775 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,959 Speaker 3: that I am not behaving like that choice. I didn't 776 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 3: make that choice. The character I'm playing made that choice, 777 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 3: and I didn't necessarily mean to do it, and I 778 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 3: definitely so for me, it's just like it's completely internal 779 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 3: and it's completely slow and almost subconscious. 780 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 4: In a lot of ways. 781 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 3: But I also but that also means that because I 782 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 3: don't do actual, like conscious work, I can't play a 783 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 3: character that the second. 784 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 4: I read it, I don't understand the character. I don't 785 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 4: get it, you know what I mean? 786 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 3: Like, if I read something and I don't understand who 787 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 3: the person is, I can't play that character. 788 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: Right. 789 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,479 Speaker 3: There's amount of work that will ever get me there 790 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 3: because of the way my process is. It has to 791 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 3: be something I immediately sort of understand to connect to 792 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 3: and then can sort of live with in my head. 793 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 3: And in terms of what would I like to play 794 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,240 Speaker 3: that I haven't gotten to play yet. 795 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a hard one. 796 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,760 Speaker 2: Listen, people ask me all the time, and I'm always 797 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 2: like kind of only recently was have I been able 798 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 2: to actually answer that where I was like, I want 799 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 2: to play you know, an old lady version of John Wick, 800 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 2: Like I want to do something like that, right, like 801 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 2: fun and you know there's still some you know, drama 802 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 2: and emotion and in there, but there's tons of action 803 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 2: and you know, your kick ass like of course, I 804 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 2: would love to do that, but I've only recently been 805 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 2: able to answer it. And before when everybody, when people 806 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 2: would ask me that question, I would be so annoyed 807 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 2: because I'd be like, how do I answer this? 808 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,919 Speaker 1: And then I just put that off on you. 809 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 3: Sorry, No, it is difficult, and I should have an 810 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 3: answer because people do ask me that and I just 811 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 3: can't come up with anything. 812 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 4: And it's interesting because even as an actor like. 813 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 3: I really am very guarded emotionally, I don't like to 814 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 3: I hate feeling pain, like I just don't ever want 815 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 3: to feel it, and even through a character like so, 816 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 3: even the idea of playing things that I think would 817 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 3: be incredibly cathartic, My my My reaction is like. 818 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 4: Oh, I don't want to feel I don't want to 819 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 4: feel that, So I don't know. It's a bit childish. 820 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 2: If you didn't become an actor, what career do you 821 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,720 Speaker 2: think you would have chosen for yourself? 822 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. 823 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,959 Speaker 3: I always kind of feel nervous when I think about 824 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 3: about that, because I had a really, really not so 825 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 3: great childhood, and I've always kind of felt that if 826 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 3: I didn't become an actress, I probably would have had 827 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 3: a very hard teenage and life and twenties and you know, 828 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 3: and I'm not so sure how things would have gone. 829 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 3: Had I been able to pull it together and actually 830 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 3: just focus and done well in school, I think I 831 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 3: would have wanted to I would have wanted to be 832 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 3: a therapist or a psychiatrist, although god knows I couldn't 833 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 3: have gotten through med school. 834 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 4: So let's go with therapist. 835 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 2: All right, Well, feel free to be my therapist. 836 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 4: I'm absolutely willing and able. I love telling me you'll 837 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 4: have to live their lives. 838 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being Thank you, adore you, 839 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 2: love you. I cannot wait to see you next time. 840 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 2: You guys, thank you so much for listening to uh 841 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 2: let's be clear. With Shanna Doherty and my special guest, 842 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 2: Christina Ricci, we love you, thank you. 843 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 4: I love you too, thank you so much. I can't 844 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 4: wait to see you all right. 845 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 3: Bye bye 846 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 2: Mm hm