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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen any images like this.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, did they not usually release this sort

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Speaker 2: No, I just an offender wearing a mask, And.

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Speaker 2: If looks like he may have a gun holster in

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what's he doing with that left hand there

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Speaker 1: You think that's clearly a gun? Oh, you're right now

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Speaker 1: God, that's horrifying to see that.

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Speaker 2: Because pro quote unquote, it could just be a jackass

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Speaker 1: It is so horrifying to see the thing that you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering if it was somebody that was there before.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it could be somebody that serviced the house

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Speaker 1: There, who knows certainly could And now he's taking the

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Speaker 1: about as chilling a thing as I can remember seeing.

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Speaker 1: I don't want my kids to see that, especially my

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Speaker 2: Oh, I keep it from him.

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Speaker 1: Uh maybe him, his brother will see it because he

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Speaker 1: takes enough media. But my my youngest who's got anxiety problems.

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Speaker 1: he feels like he hears noises anyway, like people trying

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Speaker 1: to get in or whatever. If he saw that video,

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Speaker 1: he won't sleep for a week. That is not a

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Speaker 1: good That is not a good video for anybody that

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Speaker 1: has anxiety around somebody breaking into their house. That's that's

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Speaker 1: like the worst thing your mind can create. Holy crap.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, tune into the next Armstrong Ngetdy radio

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Speaker 1: show because we'll have the latest on it. Well, I

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