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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Mike Florio, popular co host of Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Talk Live, Pro Football Talk dot Com, must read every

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Speaker 1: single day, keepshup on all the things rumors, innuendo, and

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Speaker 1: of course real news. Mike joins us. Now, Mike, I'm

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Speaker 1: want to start with a couple of topics that you

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Speaker 1: have written about. One is expansion. That what's going on

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Speaker 1: Stan Cronky taking the Rams to Los Angeles, and that

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Speaker 1: it could lead to expansion. Explain to me timeframe, the

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Speaker 1: probability that could happen. Well, And here's where you have

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Speaker 1: to keep in mind. First of all, the lawsuit filed

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Speaker 1: by various entities in Saint Louis against the NFL isn't

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Speaker 1: going well for the NFL, and Stan Cronky, who agreed

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Speaker 1: in theory to be responsible for all of the costs

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Speaker 1: language that would maybe allow him to back away from

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Speaker 1: hook for it. So if those planets line up in

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Speaker 1: a way that results in number one, a huge verdict

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Speaker 1: against the league number two, Stan Cronky's not individually responsible

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Speaker 1: for it. That's when this idea of maybe dangling an

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Speaker 1: this is something that was raised with me. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even looking for anything about it, wasn't asking about it.

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Speaker 1: We just kind of mentioned as a possibility. This is

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Speaker 1: the way that Roger Goodell could solve the problem of

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis by offering an expansion team. Now would have

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Speaker 1: to be negotiated, who would be the owner, what would

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Speaker 1: be the expansion fee, where would they play? But Dan,

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Speaker 1: this all comes down to legalized gambling. The NFL is

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Speaker 1: going to crave more inventory, more things on which people

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Speaker 1: can bet, especially once the technology is in place to

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Speaker 1: remove any and all lag from what's happening at the

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Speaker 1: game site to what's happening on this so you can

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Speaker 1: make a bet in the forty seconds between the end

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Speaker 1: nobody being behind what's actually happening at the game. The

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Speaker 1: money will explode and they can only get to eighteen games.

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Speaker 1: If they can even get to eighteen games. After that,

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Speaker 1: the only way you increase inventory is to increase teams,

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Speaker 1: So I think it's coming. And the quarterback play has

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Speaker 1: thirty two teams. So it would be Saint Louis and

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Speaker 1: it crazy to think it would happen within ten years.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy to think it could happen

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Speaker 1: within ten years. Okay, Saint Louis, obviously you would be

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Speaker 1: potentially in London, whether it's the Jaguars and an expansion team. Sorry, Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: but your owner has eyes on London, and if they're

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Speaker 1: want to be one of them. Chicago, they get that

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Speaker 1: if you're going to build one of these stadiums, the

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Speaker 1: more games you play in it, the more quickly you

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Speaker 1: make your money back. So I've been talking for a

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Speaker 1: The other dynamic two DAN because I think forty is

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Speaker 1: Smaller stadium means you can put teams in markets that

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't have thought of Jacksonville as an NFL city, frankly,

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Speaker 1: of the next one. He's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk

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Speaker 1: Live co host with Chris Simms. That show precedes hours.

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones week not official, but it's been Mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: Let's slobber all over Mac Jones here and now you

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Speaker 1: go into Atlanta tonight. I don't know if he how

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Speaker 1: great he is. Good he is, but he is in

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Speaker 1: the right system or a situation of all of these

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks. Now, I thought Trey Lance might be, but

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Speaker 1: But is mac Jones good or is he good for

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Speaker 1: Fields the past couple of games more than anything I've

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Speaker 1: seen from Mac Jones. But mac Jones fits precisely with

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Speaker 1: what the Patriots are trying to do. And Simms made

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Speaker 1: this point earlier today. The idea that Bill Belichick he's

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Speaker 1: to them that they can't counter. You don't get them

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Speaker 1: where hey, we got all these pass rushers and we

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Speaker 1: down our throat. There's nothing we can do to stop you.

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Speaker 1: Belichick can stop you. And also he's got the three

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Speaker 1: just enough. And yeah, mac Jones isn't a superstar and

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Speaker 1: I look, I know that there is a strong Promac

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he landed in the perfect spot for him,

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Speaker 1: and he was the perfect guy for the Patriots to

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Speaker 1: I mean, Hurts has a different skill set, and would

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Speaker 1: they're focusing on the fact that they actually have running

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Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? This is the evil Empire of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And they can't stay hidden for much longer because they

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Speaker 1: people don't want the Patriots back. That's why I think

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Speaker 1: to you. Mclovin. What's the poll question? The NFL one

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Speaker 1: ceiling of Justin Field. Okay, I really am? Okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: all right? How about whose career would you want? Matt Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Drew Bledsow. Wow, this is a Poli special, Paulli, do

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Speaker 1: you want to enhance the poll question? Drew Bledsoe has

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty career touchdowns forty five thousand yards.

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Speaker 1: He does have a Super Bowl ring that Tom Brady won,

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Speaker 1: but Drew Bledsoe got the team to that Super Bowl game.

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Speaker 1: up to things. Matt Ryan's probably going the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: the biggest losses in sports history. I think it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say. I was at that ASC Championship game too.

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Speaker 1: I was stunned when they went back to Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: He suffered a knee injury Bledsoe came in, got them

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Speaker 1: a feeling Matt Ryan's kicking ass in that department. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Peacock Act. I mentioned that Kevin James is starring

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Speaker 1: Johnny or Billy wouldn't playing or anything like that. Saint

429
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: said coach Sean Payton at the Eagles on Sunday Thanksgiving

430
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: hosting the Bills and then you host the Cowboys. You're

431
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: coming off back to back losses. How long does it

432
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: take to put a loss to the side and move on?

433
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: I would say, generally speaking, you know, there's that twenty

434
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: four hour, maybe a little bit longer, maybe a day

435
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: and a half or so, depending this one this past weekend.

436
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'll ever get over it, you know.

437
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: In other words, just the way, the way the game unfolded,

438
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: how we wanted to play it, and then you know,

439
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: to have some of the things take place that took place. Um,

440
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: it's just it's tough. It's tough because you dive into

441
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: a week with you know, your total preparation, and I think,

442
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: um man, I think we just in a lot of ways. Uh,

443
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: we've seen it happen each weekend with the officiating, and

444
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: that's the that's the hardest thing to get past is

445
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: you know when when they're not up to speed maybe

446
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: or or or or it happened to the Bears, you

447
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: know a week a week and a half ago. Yeah,

448
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you've watched yourself on the

449
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: sidelines the reaction in that game, But if they were

450
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: thought bubbles, I'd love to know what you were thinking.

451
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: I think though, Look, I honestly I can recall a

452
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: little bit of it, and I think in in you know,

453
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: back at ten years ago, i'd have been young. I

454
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: think it was I was. I may have been thinking that,

455
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: but I was I think a little bit calmer, and

456
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: just I hate getting to the point where it's expected

457
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: we're like, you're numb, and those kinds of things can happen,

458
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, I mean they just and and I look

459
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: at that more from an overall leadership perspective and training perspective,

460
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: and like that those problems start at the top, not

461
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 1: at the individual cruise. Yeah, yeah, I you know, somehow

462
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: we got to reduce the variables. But can you talk

463
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: to the league about that? Do you do they let

464
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: let you have a voice? Um? Yeah, Look, I was

465
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: part of the competition committee for a while and and

466
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: so it's just it's it's something that I know other

467
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: head coaches and general managers. I know most in this

468
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: profession believe in certain things and to help that change.

469
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: And I look I know there's a number of people

470
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: in our positions that believe these guys should be full time.

471
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: I mean that they should be coming back Monday in

472
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: centralized locations. How are seventeen crews ever going to be

473
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: on the same page when, um, when there's a conference

474
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: call or a zoom call, and then you know that.

475
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: But that's for that's for another day right now. But coach,

476
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: you know the stakes are too high, you know, with

477
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: what's going on with gambling. I mean, this is big business.

478
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: We know that, Um, the NFL can afford full time officials. Listen,

479
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I would agree with you.

480
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: Don't you want to say to the betting public, we

481
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: we you know, we're taking this seriously. We have to

482
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: we have to improve, Yes, like we have to. And

483
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: and look, everyone, everyone watching and participating and involved in it,

484
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: deserves better. How close did you come to getting ob

485
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: j u um? I thought, Look, we had good conversation.

486
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: He's from here. I thought only he could answer that,

487
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: But I thought I felt real positive. You're in the

488
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: middle of game week, so you're preparing for another game,

489
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: and look, if he's truly interested in coming, here's our pitch.

490
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: Here's what we think here, you know, and then at

491
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: that point you know he can sort through that. And

492
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: we had several conversations. I would say close. The question

493
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: would be all along if LA had had an opportunity,

494
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: I knew that's where he was going to go, and

495
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't think Los Angeles really was an option until

496
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: like maybe middle of the process. Um, yeah, I would

497
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: say fairly close. But I think only he would be

498
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: able to answer that. I wonder if Drew Brees was

499
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 1: still your quarterback, would you would you have landed him?

500
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: I think I think La. I'm meaning that sometime matters

501
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: an area, Okay, I think it. Yeah, I believe that. Yeah,

502
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: I've just wondering about that that you know, you could

503
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: have him come back home and he can be the

504
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: featured wide receiver. Like I don't know, what is this

505
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: like your recruiting pitch as if you were a college

506
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: coach when you're trying to get somebody. Well, I think

507
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: in a very small like micro I mean just in

508
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: a very small, quick two day process. I think this ultimately,

509
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: and I can you know in recruiting, for instance, there

510
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: are certain bullet point things that you need. Who are

511
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: the decision makers? What's most important, and I think LA

512
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: was important more than I think Los Angeles was important

513
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: for him, and and I think that I get it.

514
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: Where do you stand on the taunting room. I think

515
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: it's I think it's being over officiated. I sat in

516
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: on the discussions. I think I don't think any of

517
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: us that discussed it saw it where it is. Now.

518
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: Who was asking for it? Coach? Because I didn't know

519
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: that it was. You know, this real dilemma that this

520
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: is a big problem in the NFL with Yeah, look,

521
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: I think here's but in fairness to that question, it's,

522
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: like anything else, the line's got to be eventually bright.

523
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: You know, when you start having players standover players, you know,

524
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: crawlover players with their crots, that that there's there's got

525
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, if if if you and I

526
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: watch a game and we say, just sit next to

527
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: each other and turn to each other and we say taunting,

528
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: that's probably a taunting foul you with me, yeah, and

529
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: we would see it and think, oh, that's that's too much,

530
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: Like you can't do that. Um. But I think then

531
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: therein lies the challenge of communication as to, hey, this

532
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: is I'm going to show you fifty clips and you

533
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: tell me which ones you think should be called taunting?

534
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: And it's no different than roughing the passer. So what's

535
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: the first word, And it's roughing. And so if I

536
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: turned to you and we watched the game, I think

537
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: we'd be able to say that's probably roughing. But I

538
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: don't like the word roughing the passer because if I

539
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: graze your helmet, I didn't rough you, and I why

540
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: can't that be a five yard te I like the

541
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: word roughing. I like the word roughing. Well, all right,

542
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: and I don't want to call anything if I graze

543
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: anyone in football, okay, but they do. All right, Let's

544
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: let's go all the way back to let's just shoots

545
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: and ladders. We're back at the very at the very

546
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: beginning of it, at the discussion. I don't want you

547
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: to get fined, coach, No, I won't. I won't. How

548
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: much have you been Well, you lost a whole salary,

549
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: But except for that, how many times have you been

550
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: fined by the league? Off? By the way, I didn't

551
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: want Why why didn't I never understood that? And I

552
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: know it's not my money, but I like, man, you

553
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: gotta I would have been livid, like you're going to

554
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: take a salary away from me the whole season, like

555
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm mad on your behalf. You're you're over it. Maybe

556
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: it was that was well not ever, that was the

557
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: first two months that we talked about before. Man, you know,

558
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: it was the the the anger and it was look,

559
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: it was it was done. It was done. It was

560
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: a way to try to circumvent really with the rules

561
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: at that time were and that's it's five hundred thousand

562
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: at that time for a league employee. But um oh

563
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. How about we talk about

564
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 1: your team? How's your team doing? Coach? Going into this

565
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: game again, I'd never been able to come on the

566
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show and for a brief moment via telephone,

567
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: feel like I made him like awkward or uncomfortable, and

568
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: I just felt like I did that. So teams doing good, well,

569
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: banged up a little bit. We go to Philly. We

570
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: do have this unique Thursday not Thursday night game, but

571
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 1: it's it's unusual. We play Thursday night Thanksgiving and then

572
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: we flip around and play again home Thursday versus the Cowboys.

573
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: So we're gonna see the Eagles and we're gonna see

574
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: the Bills and we're gonna see the Cowboys, and I

575
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: don't know if that's like what three games that however

576
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: many days. But so I think part of his being

577
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: the head coach is just being smart relative to how

578
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: much time we're on our feet and how to manage

579
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: the practice schedule, those type of things. What do you

580
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: what do you do against Tom Brady that other coaches

581
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: don't do? Why why are you successful against Brady? I look,

582
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: I think this number one, I think we have a

583
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: good defense. But you know what I mean, I think

584
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: and if you have a good defense, and I think

585
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: then you know that's part of it. It's a hard

586
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: fought game. We unfortunately we weren't in the playoff game,

587
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: and I think there are a lot of things that

588
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: go into winning. And if you're playing him and you're

589
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: turning the ball over at midfield, you're gonna pay. If

590
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: you're playing him and you're not capitalized, you know, like

591
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: almost like there's not going to be these errors that

592
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: sometimes you get when you're playing another player at that position,

593
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: and certainly that you know a player that that our

594
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: league has never seen at that position. So your margin

595
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: freyr has to be sharp. And I think defense you

596
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: have to have a good defense. I mean I think

597
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: that Look if you go back and remember the Tampa

598
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: game in New England and it was the return and

599
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: the rebirth and holy cow, all right, I mean it

600
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: was it was unbelievable that the the media attention to

601
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: that game, and man, New England's got a good defense

602
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: and that game was I think down to the final

603
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: score with a rookie quarterback. And so I do think

604
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: it starts with, you know, obviously a good defensive plan

605
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: and understanding maybe some of the basic principles of how

606
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: to win and not how to lose. I still think

607
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: back when I think of drafts and you told us

608
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: that you know, hey, we were trading up, we were

609
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: we wanted or we were going to get Mahomes and uh,

610
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: and then you ended up taking Lattimore, who's obviously a

611
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: very good player. But just that what is that, Well,

612
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: we didn't know at the time, So I don't know

613
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: if you were like crushed where you're like, we got

614
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: Mahomes and then you don't have Mahomes And what's that

615
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: feeling like when you don't get him at that time?

616
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: At the time, at the time, realistically you have a

617
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: small bubble there we're picking eleven. And so this is

618
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: I think what happens in a lot of draft rooms.

619
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: You have, yeah, you have to have it at least

620
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: as many players in the bubble as there are picks,

621
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: or you don't have a pick like you have to

622
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: like And I knew it was a Lottimore and Mahomes

623
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: in this cloud, and there were three picks left before

624
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: it was our picks. So you're getting to a spot

625
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: where when there's two picks left and you have two

626
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: and you're you're getting one of your guys, and so

627
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: a lotta Moore. We didn't think it was going to

628
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: be available. And here here was the here was the question.

629
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: In a nutshell, it would help your team now at

630
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: the corner while you have Drew, or help your team

631
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: long term with with the quarterback, and we were we

632
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: were Once pick nine was made, we knew we had

633
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: one of the two, one of the two choices, and

634
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if pick ten was someone else what

635
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: we would have done it. At eleven, we were discussing,

636
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, back and forth about the QB in the corner.

637
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: And then so at the time when something like that happens,

638
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: there are times where you're just like you had one guy,

639
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: someone stepped up took your gu and you just you're

640
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: you're dejected or you know, I've seen that happen. But

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Speaker 1: I think that the feeling was when Andy, when the

642
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: Chiefs went to ten, I knew right away it was

643
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: going to be for Patrick, and then we knew we

644
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: were getting Latimore. Yeah, so there was there wasn't a

645
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: room of like dejection or it was. It was kind

646
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: of high fives. Like, man, we just we had no idea.

647
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: We thought this corner would slip and he ended up

648
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: being the rookie of the Year. But it's funny how

649
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: those things can happen, you know. In after working him

650
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: out in in uh in College, we like we crept

651
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: out of town. We got on the owner's plane. We

652
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: didn't take let anyone see us. It was a private workout.

653
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: It was it was that it was that good. I'm

654
00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: talking about Patrick. Yeah, yeah, well yeah, you just you

655
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: know these draft day things. I remember the Cowboys. I

656
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: thought they were going to take Johnny Manzel and I'm like,

657
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, because Jerry's gonna get involved

658
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: in this. I remember, yep, yep, I remember, oh man right, right, well,

659
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: here's the thing. The funny thing about all of that.

660
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: The funny thing about all of that, what would the

661
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: year Draft day came out? Oh, the Costner movie, PAULI

662
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: googled the twenty fourteen All right, what was the Manziel

663
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: draft twenty twelve? Has it been that long? Twenty twelve? Oh? No,

664
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Speaker 1: in the same year. No, same year, coach twenty fourteen,

665
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: same year, That's what I thought. So And and in

666
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: the movie, in the movie, I think the Browns go

667
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: with the scout the Costner graded player as opposed to

668
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: and in real life they passed on both Wallace, they

669
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: put passed on bow Wallace, and they took Mac the linebacker, right,

670
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: And you recall they tested bow Wallace, and you know

671
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: they had all these little things. If you turn to

672
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: page forty eight and you see this, send it back

673
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: to us. And they knew he didn't look at the playbook,

674
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: and they worried about his leadership, blah blah blah. And

675
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: then in real life was Manziel bow Wallace? Now listen,

676
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: I remember a little bit. I I wasn't a part

677
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: of the Manziel draft. What was Manzille's year? It was

678
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: twelve season. I remember I was coming back from suspension,

679
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: and look I followed his season. It was magnificent. I

680
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: spent time with Johnny actually discussed and spent some time

681
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: about bringing him in here for you know, this was

682
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: years ago when the Super Bowl was in Houston, and

683
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: uh and so I think, look, are we root for

684
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: guys like we root for like, all right, what's the

685
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: best thing he can do? And let's do those things

686
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: with him and let's see him have success. We root

687
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: for players we don't root against, and so man, but

688
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: I just thought there was some irony the movie The

689
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. I mean it was, it was, It was

690
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: right at the same time, Hey, it's great to talk

691
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: to you us always. We appreciate when you join us.

692
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: And I hope there's no sequel to this movie because

693
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: that means you get suspended again. So uh wait, you're

694
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Speaker 1: not laughing. I hope. I hope there's most people as

695
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: well to say, thank you, coach, appreciate your time. All right, Dan,

696
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: that's your friendship. Sean Payton, Saint's head coach. Thanks for

697
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to

698
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern

699
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and you

700
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or

701
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: stream us live on the Peacock app. Hey, it's Ben,

702
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: host of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller, along with

703
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: my trustee sidekick David Gascon. Would meet a lot to

704
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're

705
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: asking one in God's name is the Fifth Hour? I'll

706
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: tell you it's a spin off of that Ben Maller show,

707
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: cult hit overnights on FSR. Why should you listen? Picture

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Speaker 1: if you will a world will we chat with captains

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00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: of industry in media, sports and more every week Explorer

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00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: some amazing facts about a human nature and more. Let's

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Speaker 1: sen to the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller on the

712
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

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00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: Let's bring in Drew Bledsoe, the former NFL quarterback, former

714
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: number one overall pick and was the star of episode

715
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: one of Man in the Arena, the docuseries about Tom Brady.

716
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: Did you know you were going to be the star

717
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: of episode one? Drew? Well, I haven't seen it. Uh so,

718
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I know, I didn't know until right

719
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: now that I was actually the star of that show.

720
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was about Tom Brady. Yeah, but it's

721
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: about you and the early days when you got the

722
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: injury and Tom takes over and Tom becomes the super

723
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: Bowl winner. Uh so you have I know you lived it,

724
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: but you have no interest in watching this? Well, I mean, no,

725
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna not watch it, but uh, you know,

726
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm up here, I'm up making wine and walla walla

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00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: right now, sir, I don't know I say that, you know,

728
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure it'll come on at some point.

729
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: I'll done. I'll check it out. But no, man, it's

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00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: a you know that. Uh. I'm still great friends with

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00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: Tommy and so proud of what he's done. But I'm

732
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: pretty well versed in the story that I actually I've

733
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: actually seen the movie. I was in the middle of it.

734
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: But uh no, I'm I'm proud of Tommy, and uh,

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00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: you know I love everything about the kids. So I'll

736
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: probably Uh, I'm sure I'll watch it at some point.

737
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: But I was wondering that you you made yourself vulnerable.

738
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: You made yourself available for this, but you made yourself

739
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: vulnerable because you talked about you guys win the Super

740
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: Bowl and you go home, you're on the mountains your skiing,

741
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it hits you and you

742
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: break down. Why did it hit you? Then? Yeah? You know, well,

743
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know when you're when you're in the

744
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: middle of something like that, you know, you don't you know,

745
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: you're being a leader and you're, um, you know, trying

746
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: to do the right thing for your team, and you

747
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: just have to be strong, you know, you have to

748
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: be strong. And so I was I was that through

749
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: the through all of that, and then uh, once you

750
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Speaker 1: get away from that and you no longer have the

751
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: responsibility of of you know, being a leader for the

752
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: team and wearing all of that, and that all comes

753
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: off and now you don't have to be that responsible

754
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: party anymore. Now you can kind of let it, let

755
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: it sink in a little bit. So yeah, it was,

756
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't you know. That was a that

757
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: was a that was a long and difficult year, but

758
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: then also had a happy ending and like it just

759
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: was like this most bitter sweet thing ever where your

760
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: team goes on and wins the championship, but but you're

761
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: not on the field. Uh, you know, it was it was,

762
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: it was very happy for my squad and very sad

763
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: for myself. But you help win the game against the

764
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: Steelers in the AFC Title game. What part of you

765
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: think you're going to start in the Super Bowl, because

766
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: I only I think it was a week in between

767
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: or they didn't have the weekend between? Did they Did

768
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: you have the game Sunday and then super Bowl was

769
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Speaker 1: next the following Sunday? Yeah, the following week. It was

770
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: pretty quick and I think I think like Wednesday, at

771
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: Thursday of that week, Belichick let me do let me

772
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: know that he was going to start calm on the

773
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: super Bowl, which you know that that part was. You know,

774
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, if you're starving and somebody gives

775
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: you a cracker, you know, you haven't played all year,

776
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: and now you're now you're there, and then you get

777
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: to the top of the mountain. You're in the biggest

778
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: game that there is and probably got to play a

779
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: little bit and get back on the field and next

780
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Speaker 1: thing you know, the you know, the other guy's going

781
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: back out there. Do you have any recollection of getting

782
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: hit by mo Lewis that you know, not really, I

783
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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, I remember kind of laying there

784
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Speaker 1: on the sidelines and and getting up and then I

785
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: just remember, you know, I remember going back and going

786
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: back in the game, and uh, you know, I mean

787
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: I certainly wasn't all there. I had a pretty serious concussion,

788
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: I think, in addition to the internal stuff. But I

789
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: remember turning around and asking Mark Edwards, Hey, Mark, how

790
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: do I You know? I knew I had to go left? Andy, Mark,

791
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: how do I go left? You go say odd? And like,

792
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, odd, odd, and then we ran played left

793
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: and then he wouldn't he wouldn't. He and Damon Heward

794
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: were the ones that ratted me out that I wasn't

795
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: wasn't all there because I went to Damon to go

796
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: over our two minute plays, and our two minute plays

797
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: have been the same for years. You know, it would

798
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: uh would be you know, like you coming into your

799
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: show and asking, Hey, which chair do I sit in? Uh?

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00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of that kind of that kind of a

801
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: simplistic thing. And so that's when they went and said, hey,

802
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: he's not he's not all there, and that's when they

803
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: that's when they put Tommy in. And then after the game,

804
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: I tried to go home, thankfully to doctor then let

805
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: me do that. But you had I mean, if they

806
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: let you go home. Yeah, I did let me go

807
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: home out a diet. I was bleeding out at about

808
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Speaker 1: a lead an hour internally, and by the time they

809
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: got me to the hospital, I was I was out,

810
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: and they took a lot of blood out of my body.

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Speaker 1: Thankfully they they were able to recycle my blood and

812
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: put it back in so they didn't have to open

813
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: my chest up. Um, but it was. It was touching

814
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: to other for a while. You're pretty nonchalant about this. No,

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Speaker 1: you know, I lived, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, it doesn't

816
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: whatever doesn't kill you, right, And um, no, I didn't.

817
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know how serious serious it was

818
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: until two or three days after. So I wasn't really

819
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: aware that there was that it was really bad until

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00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: a few days later. Ever, talked to mo Lewis. You know,

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Speaker 1: I never have He's never sent any flowers. How about this?

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00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: How about this a mo Lewis wine called internal bleeding?

823
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I don't know. I just is it

824
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: too soon? Yeah? Internal red? Have been an internal red? Yeah,

825
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, that would be interesting, be interesting.

826
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Speaker 1: What would you say if if you saw mo Lewis

827
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: like one of these NFL functions. I give him a hug.

828
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't have any animosity toward

829
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: him whatsoever. You know, and you you know, you opened

830
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: this segment talking about the roughing the passers stuff back,

831
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: but that that hit was not penalized and it wasn't illegal.

832
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: You know, that was just the way that the game

833
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: was played. I was, you know, I was heading toward

834
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: out of bounds, but I wasn't out of bounds. He

835
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: hit me. It was it was a hard hit, but

836
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: it was in that day and age was a clean hit.

837
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: Today it would have been a targeting call and he

838
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: would have been fine. Fifty thousand dollars and um and

839
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: all of that. But you know, they've changed the game

840
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: with the intent of trying to you know, trying to

841
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: keep quarterbacks in the field. Now they bobbously got way overboard.

842
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you run by a quarterback and

843
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: look at him the wrong way and you hurt his feelings.

844
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: It's fifteen yards, um. But but your quarterbacks want this

845
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: drew because Brady said, this is the reason why he's

846
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: able to play at forty four. But do you want

847
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: it as a quarterback? You know, I think as a

848
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: fan and you know, and as a quarterback, I understand

849
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: the desire and the need to protect these star players

850
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: because you know, you want them on the field, but

851
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: they've just they've gone too far with it, you know,

852
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and I think that the you know,

853
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: the hard part is I think for defenders, you know,

854
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: they have to come in and they have to be

855
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: thinking about you know, not you know, because they're going

856
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: as hard as they can against the strongest dudes on

857
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: the planet, trying to get there, and all of a sudden,

858
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: they get there now, and they get there now, they

859
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: have to stop and pull off, and it's uh so, yes,

860
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: they've gone too far with it. I understand the intent

861
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: of what they're doing, but they've gone too far with

862
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: it in my opinion, and they've just made it almost

863
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: impossible to play defense in a lot of in a

864
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: lot of ways, he's drew Bledsoe, former NFL quarterback, former

865
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: number one overall pick uh. And I know you didn't

866
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: come on to talk about your wine, but let people

867
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: know about your wine that you've been Oh yeah, thanks man, No,

868
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: but we're out you're making making wine in my hometown.

869
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: And wallah wah got a kick ass team that is uh,

870
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: you know, doing everything. We own our own vineyards and

871
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: make the wine and deliver it and we're you know,

872
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: I think they're making some of the very best wine

873
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: in the world for us. So it's been a lot

874
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: of fun. It's called double back. If people want to

875
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: find at double back dot com. Okay, if I want

876
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: to sound like I know about wine, give me some

877
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: terminology here. Yeah. Um, so you want some really wine

878
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: geeky stuff. If you have a wine and you like it,

879
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: and then it's like, you know, you can just say,

880
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, this is a complete wine. This is um

881
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: this has got great balance, nice structure, nice tan and

882
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: good fruit, you know, and you can just say it's

883
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: a complete wine, and the wine geeks will leave you

884
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: alone because then you're sound like you really know what

885
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Complex, complex, completely. Yeah. Yeah. Are you

886
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: better at wine or quarterbacking? Oh man? You know it's

887
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: they're they're very similar in a lot of ways. And

888
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: that you know, I was playing quarterback at a bunch

889
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: of bad ass dudes that did the really hard work

890
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: in front of me in fascot that would go get

891
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: open and then I got to take all the credit,

892
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: right and and Uh. And it's the same in this

893
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: I you know, I direct a team that that just

894
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: kicks out and makes me look good. Is Mac Jones

895
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: good or just in a good situation? Both both? You know,

896
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: he's he's uh, he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do.

897
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: He's accurate, working within the framework of a good offense. Uh.

898
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: But you know that's the deal. I mean, in the

899
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: in the in the NFL. Uh. You know, you need

900
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: all of it in order to win. Uh. And he's

901
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: playing very well, but he's also in a good system

902
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: and in a on a team that looks like they're

903
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: rising at the right time. But knowing Belichick, what do

904
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: you think he says to Mac Jones daily basis or

905
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: on game day? She's I don't know, not very much,

906
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he trusts his he trusts his

907
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: his staff to work with. Um. You know, he's far

908
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: from verbos when it comes to coaching up the quarterbacks.

909
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: But UM, but you know, Mac is a guy that

910
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: sounds like and they do their research, they know what

911
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: they're drafting, and you know he's a guy that's working

912
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: really hard, smart guy doing all of the doing all

913
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: the little things he has to do. During the week

914
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: and then the game day. You know, you start as

915
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: a quarterback always has to start with don't make a

916
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: mistake first, don't hurt your team. And he's doing that,

917
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: which is which is the most important part of the job.

918
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: But then beyond that, he's throwing the ball accurately, getting

919
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: them out of his hands. He's really doing a nice job.

920
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: But so Belichick really is not involved in quarterbacks. You know,

921
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: at least he wasn't for a couple of years that

922
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: I was there. He you know, I mean you meet

923
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: with him and he knows what's going on. And I

924
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: know Tommy, you know, met with him quite a bit

925
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: over years, just like early in early in weeks. Um,

926
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, there would be little things here and there,

927
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: but but you know, he really lets uh, you know,

928
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels handle that side of the world before him,

929
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I don't think he's probably not telling

930
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: him a whole time. Yeah, I was wondering about that

931
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: because if you're Brady and then you want out of there,

932
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: like can you have fun in there? Like what what

933
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: constitutes having fun? That? Maybe tom was missing in New England,

934
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, he stayed for twenty years.

935
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, lest you know. I mean, it

936
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: can have been that miserable, but he was winning and winning,

937
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: and they were and they were winning and winning kind

938
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: of cures everything. Winning is always fun. But I remember

939
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: Tommy did tell me a story a few years. I

940
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: think they was like they've been together seventeen years something

941
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: like that, and he's like, hey, it's built is he

942
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: kind of lightened up over the years and he goes man.

943
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: You know, there are times when like he'll walk by

944
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: me in the hallway and not say hi. It was

945
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: in the hallway, you know, after seventeen years, the most

946
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: successful run up a quarterback and coach ever, and you know, like, yeah, yeah,

947
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: he's still kind of the same guy. He just very focused,

948
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: very business. But he no, you can have fun. I mean,

949
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: come on, a football they had a lot of fun

950
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: and Bill actually, you know, he can lighten up and

951
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: have fun. Win. Yeah, everybody says that. Jesus. I saw

952
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: him anna wine deal one time right after we had started,

953
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: and he came over and brought Bears, his assistant. They

954
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: came over and they're they're, you know, sipping on some wine.

955
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: He was laughing his joint and I was like, man,

956
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: who who is this impostor? And what have they done

957
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: with Belichick? Because that's not the guy I played for.

958
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: But he uh, you know it's you get him outside

959
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: of a football setting and he actually uh, you actually

960
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: can't light an open usal phone. By the way, Drew

961
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: has a cab that just got ninety five points. I

962
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: think your cab got ninety five, right, yeah, those well,

963
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: those wine critics, fine critics, wine critics and sports writers,

964
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: they're all the same. Come on, now, I always for

965
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: this way they they've been. They've been really they've been

966
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: really good to us. The critics have been, but I

967
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: always feel like we deserve more. But um, but now

968
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: the critics have been good to us. Um and the

969
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: wine cells fast. But I just always feel like our

970
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: team has done such a killer job that they need

971
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: more than ninety five points. But you don't want ninety

972
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: five as a quarterback rating to you? Um well, i'd

973
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: be the know. There were sometimes when I would have

974
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: taken it, but you know, particularly in Buffalo and it's

975
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: pissing down rain and blowing tideways, you know, if I

976
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: could complete two or three passes, I felt like I

977
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: was doing pretty good. What made you want to go

978
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: to Buffalo. Well it wasn't my choice. They traded me

979
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: to Buffalo. Yeah, but could you have said I don't

980
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: want to go to Buffalo. I could have played you know,

981
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: hardball and just that I was going to hire or

982
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: whatever and done that. But you know, I think the reaction, though,

983
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: it's like everybody that goes to Buffalo, I think has

984
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: a similar reaction because nobody chooses that, right, you know, like, oh,

985
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: I don't want to be exiled to western New York

986
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: and play in the rain and all that. But then

987
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: once you're there as a player, it's it's awesome. I mean,

988
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: I loved playing there, and I think most guys that

989
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: end up going there end up really loving playing there.

990
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: And the fans are fantastic. The weather is atrocious, but

991
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: it's it's really a cool place to play ball. It's

992
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: like playing pro ball in a college town, you know.

993
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, so it's kind of funny because

994
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how many people ever choose

995
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: to choose Buffalo as a free agent, but um, but

996
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: once you get there, it's pretty awesome. Great to talk

997
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: to you. Are you featured in any more of these episodes?

998
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: Are you one and done with Tom Brady. I truly

999
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: have no idea, man, I really don't. I my my,

1000
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: my guess is probably just the one because then they

1001
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: move on and but um, but I don't know. I'll

1002
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: have to go check it out. Was Brady a better

1003
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: beer chuggar than you? He actually was pretty fast? I

1004
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, I never I was never very fast drinking beer.

1005
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was more of a slow

1006
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: volume game. But yeah, Brady, he could. Back in the day,

1007
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: he could. He could, he could, he could shotgun a

1008
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: beer pretty fast. Ross Tucker talks about Brady as an

1009
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: old timer. Yeah, no, he was. He was, he was.

1010
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: He was pretty good at that. Now, I mean, you know,

1011
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: now he doesn't even drink at all and think he

1012
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 1: has a little bit of red wine in the offseason.

1013
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: He actually did. I you know, we couldn't ship wine

1014
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: to Massachusetts for a long time, and so I sent

1015
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: his first shipment of ye listening to his dad in

1016
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: California and his dad drec fall. But I think he

1017
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: I think you will have a glass of wine every

1018
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: now and then, Um, you know, maybe in the off season.

1019
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: But I don't know, if I wonder when the last

1020
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: time was that he actually had of here. I really

1021
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: have no idea. Well, might have been on the boat. Yeah,

1022
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: it sounds like he had a lot of something now

1023
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: when he was on the boat, but I don't know

1024
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: if that was beer. Yeah, it sounds like it was tequila. Hey,

1025
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: great to talk to you again. It's always and good

1026
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: luck with the cab and thanks for joining us. You

1027
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: got a body. I'll come see you next time I'm

1028
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: in Connecticut. Yeah, stop by, stop by for a meat Friday. Okay,

1029
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: we'll do it, and bring wine. We'll do okay. Thanks.

1030
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: Drew Bledsoe, the former NFL quarterback