1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: A Walk on Buzz Night and in March here this 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: Women's History Month, were honoring women who have lived their 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: truth out loud and never stopped fighting for themselves. My 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: guest today on this Encore episode first captured the world's 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: heart as one third of Wilson Phillips, one of the 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: most successful vocal groups in pop history, but her journey 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: didn't stop at the top of the charts. She faced 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: her battles publicly with courage and transparency on body image, 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: mental health, and what it really means to grow into yourself. 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: Carne Wilson has never hidden from the hard stuff, and 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: that honesty, that willingness to be seen has made her 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: a voice for so many women who needed to hear 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: that they weren't alone. This has taken a Walk, and 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: today we talk about life beyond the stage and everything 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: that makes it worth living. Carnee Wilson is next. She 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: wrote the book Taking a Walk. Carnie Wilson. How is 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: your dad doing? 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: He's doing very well. It's his birthday today and he's 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: doing great. He's just uh, you know, he's getting older, 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: and every day there's a new little surprise, little you know, 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: there's there's moving forward there's setbacks, there's all kinds of stuff, 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: and I guess that's just how we are in life. 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: So he's so loved and he knows that, and and 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: I really I think he's improving. I think he's doing great. 25 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: How did growing up with your dad shape your musical 26 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: journey and aspirations? 27 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, my parents divorced when I was young, 28 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: so I have I have quite a few memories, and 29 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: there's a lot of special ones. And depending on how 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: like how I am, you know, like mentally that day 31 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: or spiritually that day, often I reflect, you know, and 32 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: when I'm feeling shitty or just feeling like, I don't know, 33 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: impatient or in self pity or something like that, then 34 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: I tend to think about negative things. And then when 35 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: I'm trying to pick myself out of a funk or 36 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: you know, just kind of feeling a little more inspired, 37 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: then I'll think about good times and there. And just 38 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: like anyone in any family, you know, I don't think 39 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 2: it matters if you come from a musical family, a 40 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: family of doctors, a family of plumbers, of family you know, 41 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: a secretaries. It's just like every family has some dysfunction 42 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: and the one thread I think was music and that 43 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 2: we all feel and we're all tied together by each 44 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: member of my family. So music was very important to 45 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: our whole family, our whole lives. And I was you know, 46 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: I heard in the womb and grew up with it, 47 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: and it was kind of like an arrow I was following, 48 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: just like this is what I have to do. I know, 49 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: I know, this is my calling. And there were a 50 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: lot of wonderful influences. 51 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: You know, as someone who's had personal struggles, how important 52 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: has music been in helping you through those challenges? 53 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's that's a great that's a great question, 54 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: and it's it's it's more like a for me, it's 55 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: like a statement. You know. It's like music helps you 56 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: get through the good times and the bad times. It's 57 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: like you music is healing, you know, especially harmony for me, 58 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: So when I want to feel spiritual or grounded or 59 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: calm and serene, you know, I put on the Eagles 60 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: and or or any group that has beautiful harmony, Steely 61 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: Dan and Dewey Brothers, the Beach Boys, you know, and 62 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: I listen to the harmony and I just I feel 63 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: or you know, Little River Band, you know, and I 64 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: feel like like something's being like connected again, you know. 65 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that it's the answer every time, 66 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: but there's definitely a there's definitely a place that it's 67 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: a purpose that it serves, and it's usually to help 68 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: lift my spirits, or it's usually to call me, or 69 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: it's usually or or it can be just like you know, 70 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: when I'm cooking and I put on like to be 71 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: fifty twos and then I start, you know, dancing around 72 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: my kitchen and start like you know, singing and feeling happy. 73 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: Or I blasted in my car, you know, I love 74 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: love blasting music in my car. I mean, you got 75 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: to be careful with like you know, fire rages or 76 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: anything like that. But like, I play my music really 77 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: fucking loud in my car because I have a great 78 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: stereo and I love to hear it blasting. I love 79 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: the bass. I want to hear it. I want to 80 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: feel it in my butt sheeks, you know what I mean. 81 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: I love it. 82 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: That's really weird to say. 83 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: I think it's sensational to say, you know, you have 84 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: this knack. I've observed you through your media career, your 85 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: television career. I've observed it with sounds Delicious the New show. 86 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 1: You have this knack for making your guests and those 87 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: around you comfortable. Who did you learn this from? 88 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: Well, that's nice of you to say, but I don't know. 89 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it goes back to like actually 90 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: like childhood, like being being the person that was like 91 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: teased and bullied and you know, made to feel like 92 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: I was there was something wrong with me because I 93 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: was overweight. For real, I really think that it was 94 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: self taught because my mom is very warm and very 95 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 2: open and you know, and we are as a family. 96 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: Because it's just personalities too. I mean, I mean, when 97 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: you come down to and it comes down to it, 98 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: it's just personality, right. Some people are more shy and outgoing, 99 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: and some people also have the ability to read people. 100 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: And I do think I have that ability. But at 101 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: the same time, I think it's it's about like I 102 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: want to feel accepted and comfortable, and so I want 103 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: that for other people. I tend to, like, well, first off, 104 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: I overanalyze everything, so like I might think I know 105 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: the answer, like, oh, I know how that person's feeling 106 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: because I can tell by it to look in their 107 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: eyes or their body language, you know, And so I 108 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: assess it, and then I'm like, well, what's the situation here? 109 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: Are we like having are we just having a conversation 110 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 2: at a party? Are we at dinner? Are we are 111 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: we at a workplace? Are we having fun? Are we? 112 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 2: And it's like, for me, it's just about connection. I 113 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 2: really ultimately think that I crave, I crave and I 114 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: yearn you know, to like connect with people because everybody 115 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: has like special qualities and I love learning from people 116 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: and like taking them in and really like seeing like 117 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: everybody's individual, but we're kind of all the same. It's 118 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: a trip. 119 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: But you're a good listener also, I. 120 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: Mean I try to be. I've learned that through my sobriety. 121 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: I've learned that through maturity, having children, you know, because 122 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: I know, and my husband, my husband, because because he 123 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,559 Speaker 2: would we would argue we've been married for almost twenty 124 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: five years or twenty four years, and like we he 125 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: would say to me, you're not listening to me, and 126 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: I'd be like, well, wait a minute, maybe I'm not, 127 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 2: you know, And so I'd have to shut up, shut 128 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: my fucking pie hole, you know, and take a breath 129 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: and like say, geez, I am not I'm trying to 130 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: get my point across, and I'm driving it into I'm 131 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: like drilling it into his trying to drill it in 132 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: his brain. But it's not fair, like he has a 133 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: point of view. It's not fair to be selfish like that, 134 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: you know. So listening to other people is I think 135 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: the opposite of being selfish. It's easy to do. It's 136 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: easy to be me, me, me, me, you know, and 137 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: being your own your own feelings. But having children as well, 138 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: I mean it's like I think, I know it's best 139 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: for them, and they are their own person, and I 140 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: have to learn from them and listen to them too. 141 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: Who are some interviewers or hosts that have had an 142 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: impact and an influence on you? 143 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: Interviewers are hosts? That's the hard question. I've never been 144 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: asked that question, and I probably would need more time 145 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: with that one. Truthfully, I've done hundreds of interviews, and 146 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: hundreds I think when I talk with people that are 147 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: mothers or their or their alcoholics, you know, I think 148 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: I definitely relate to people like that because they're like, 149 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: they're like the most challenging thing ever, you know. Sobriety 150 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: is challenging, motherhood is challenging. But I don't know. I 151 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: have to think about that more. I think, how about. 152 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: Three quintessential albums that have impacted you to this day? 153 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: Oh god, that's hard. That is almost an unfair question. Okay, four, 154 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: I have such a My taste in music is so 155 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: it's so vast. You know, there's just I love. Okay, 156 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: So the B fifty two is the first record that 157 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: one for sure dances mess Around is like like like 158 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: a ridiculous song that completely blows my mind and rock 159 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: lobster like turned me up upside down and still does. 160 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: I love pet sounds. I know that sounds like it's 161 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: totally expected for me to say that. But when I 162 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: listen to that record, I don't listen to it for 163 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: like the hype. I listened to it because it's so 164 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: so deep and uh, oh god, this is really hard. 165 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: It is hard making choices. I agree. 166 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, you know, like I love we 167 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: could just say like the best of so, you know, 168 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: I mean Asia by Steely Dan That's another whopper. I 169 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: love the Dowie Brothers so much and and I love Heart. 170 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, there's there, there are there are 171 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 2: a lot of records. Diva Andy Lennox Diva. That whole 172 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 2: album is like off, It's off the scale, just production wise, sonically, 173 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: her voice, the songwriting, her singing. I mean, Diva is 174 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: to me, it was just it just was like it 175 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: just transcends, you know. 176 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: So talk about how Wilson Phillips was was formed and 177 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: how you all decided to get that signature sound that 178 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: was and is Wilson Phillips. 179 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: Well, I was out of high school and I was 180 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: I made a decision to not go to college. I 181 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: made a decision to jump into the industry as an actress. 182 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: But I was obsessed with singing and harmony, and I 183 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: was a stoner. I was. I was really like I 184 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: just wanted to party. I wanted to smoke pod all day, 185 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: all day long and just like listen to music. And 186 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: the CD had just came out and it was an 187 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: unbelievable sound, and I was just really like really in 188 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: a party, party, party phase. But I was very obsessed 189 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: with music. And you know, China and When and I 190 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: have always been friends since you know, birth, so it 191 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: was natural to see each other, but we hadn't seen 192 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: each other in a while, a few years, I think, 193 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: and there was an idea to do a charity record 194 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: with some other sixties artists kids, and only a few 195 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: people wanted to do it. And it was Wendy China 196 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: and Mama Cass's daughter, and we all kind of sat 197 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: around and you know, we take in between our bong hits, 198 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: we just like would listen to like Stevie Nicks and 199 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: Heart and and we China didn't even know how to 200 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: sing harmony, and it was I was really like obsessed 201 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 2: with like getting everybody like, Okay, let's let's sit around here. 202 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to take the low part. When do you 203 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: sing the high part? Here's your part, China, and we 204 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: just like started vocalizing and singing the songs that we 205 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: were listening to, and it was like we were trying 206 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: to imitate it. And I'm sure the harmony parts weren't exact, 207 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 2: but there was a sound that we were just completely 208 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: like wow. When the three when the three of us 209 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: in particular saying at three part harmony, it was like 210 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: it was another voice that that emerged. It was like 211 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: another it was like a separate voice between you know, 212 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: besides the three of us. It became one and it 213 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: was really really apparent, and my mom heard us through 214 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: the through the ceiling, and she was like she came 215 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 2: downstairs and she said, what are you guys doing? And 216 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: we said, we're singing harmony of Mama, you know, we're 217 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: singing harmony. And she goes, do you know how great 218 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 2: you sound together? Like really? Do you what is that? 219 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: She heard the sound, you know? And I'm grateful that 220 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: she was there that day because she's she confirmed what 221 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: we were all feeling, you know what I mean. And 222 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 2: she said, what are you going to do about it? 223 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: And we were like, why dould you mean you know? 224 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: And we said, we have no clue. We just we 225 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 2: were singing, you know, Stevie Nick's songs from from Wildheart 226 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: and Bella Donna and we're like, okay, we sound amazing 227 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: now what you know? And then we called up a 228 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: producer that Michelle knew, Richard Perry, who is very famous 229 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: some of the best records of all time He produced, 230 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, and and we went to his 231 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: house and we and you know, he rolled a joint 232 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: and we you know, mutual Stoner's fellow, my spale of Stoner, 233 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: and we just like started singing and he was just like, 234 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 2: I just can't believe what I'm hearing. You know, and 235 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: got in the studio and he hooked us up with 236 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: Glenn Ballard. We started writing songs with Glenn, and then 237 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: before we knew it, we were in front of like 238 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: nine record companies fighting to sign us. And it was 239 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: an absolute insanely fortunate position to be in. But we 240 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: worked really hard at it for four years, writing songs 241 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: and getting our shit together, you know, and realizing we 242 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: are a group, we're a vocal group, we want to 243 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: make a record, and SBK signed us and we were 244 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: off for the races. 245 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: What's it like when your music becomes part of you know, 246 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: pop culture specifically, you know, your music being in Bridesmaids. 247 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: Well, I mean all the years that we've been you know, 248 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: the music's been on the radio, and all the records 249 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: that we sold, and we were never a touring band, 250 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: but we did tour, but we it was more about 251 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: the impact I think that the music had on people. 252 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: You know, It's it's more I feel like it's it's 253 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: the songs like hold On and Release Me and You're 254 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: in Love and I feel like those songs, you know, 255 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: they were number one records. But at the same time, 256 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: I think it goes much deeper than just a chart 257 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: and climbing up the charts and whatever it is. I mean, 258 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: we worked really hard to get like every radio station 259 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: you know, to play us and everything. But I'm glad 260 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: we did that because we did get I mean back 261 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: in the day when we were making records, when we 262 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: were you know, first promoting the record and when it 263 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: was released, it took the people to hear the record 264 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: and call in to request it to get the spins. 265 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: And then once the spins happened, you know, then then 266 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: you got the ads, and the ads would then they 267 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: would that would make you rise on the charts. So 268 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: it was like this domino effect. It wasn't like some 269 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: like Oz, you know, pulling the string going okay, you 270 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: got number one record. You had to sell records, and 271 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: you had to have your records being they were called 272 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: spins you know, on the on those radio stations. And 273 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: it's not like that anymore. And it's just it's not 274 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: that it's bad, it's just it's just different. But but 275 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: we could really it was like palpable, you know, to 276 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: feel the public's embrace and the meaning that the songs 277 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: had in their lives. That's that's the part that is 278 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: the most important thing. I mean, I'm in my office 279 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 2: here and I'm looking at you know, like fifty different 280 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: gold albums on the wall or maybe thirty, you know, 281 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: and and different you know, accolades and all the awards, 282 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: you know, and I have all my awards and everything, 283 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: and and don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful feeling 284 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: to see that because it's like this like recognition and everything. Well, 285 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: and then I go, well, right, that's just a number 286 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 2: of what we sold. But the truth is, when I 287 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: really like look into it, it's like, Okay, I see 288 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: ten million records in the United States. That means that 289 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: ten million people, ten million people took money out of 290 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: their wallets and bought the fucking record. And whether they 291 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: listened to it once or it became like an anthem 292 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: or became something that saved their life, which I've heard 293 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: many times, that is extraordinary. And I do not and 294 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: will never take that for granted. 295 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: I got chills what you're talking about it, you know. Yeah, yeah, 296 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: So you're having a blast with Sounds Delicious Tuesday's nine 297 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: pm Pacific Encore episodes Saturdays and Sundays on Axis. Tell 298 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: me how much fun you're having? 299 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you asked me if I preferred singing 300 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: or cooking. I swear I don't know. I think that's 301 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: why the show is what it is. It's both and 302 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 2: it's and it's music and because when I cook, I sing, 303 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: I love music. I play music, and and then it's 304 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 2: just it's inspiring, you know, both inspire me. I found 305 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: my passion in cooking and baking and feeding other people, 306 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: you know, And I think I want, I secretly want 307 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: to like tell people like you do that too, because 308 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: the feeling is so great and food is very meaningful 309 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: to me in my family and in my life, you know. 310 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 2: So it's it's been it's been a battle, you know, 311 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: not it's been a struggle to be heavy set and 312 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: like be addicted to food, you know, and then being 313 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: able to celebrate it at the same time and having 314 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: you know, just like regulator, like a like a like 315 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: a limit. And so I can listen to as much 316 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: music as I want, I can sing as much as 317 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: I want, you know, forever, but I can't eat as 318 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: much as I want. I can't eat all the foods 319 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: that I want. And so when I'm in the kitchen 320 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: and you know, like you said, connecting with the guests 321 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: on the show, Like I feel, it's that satisfying and 322 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: it's that gratifying, so it gives me the same pleasure. 323 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: But I know, I mean, I know that answer was 324 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: all over the place. But really, truthfully, it's like singing 325 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: and cooking and music and cooking are somehow tied together 326 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 2: for me, and they're the most important things in my life. 327 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: My children of course the number one of course. But 328 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: it's funny because my kids love food and love cooking 329 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: and love singing. So you know, we cook together, we 330 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: bake together, we sing together. That's my family, that's my friends. 331 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 2: So it's like when I do this show, when I 332 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: do these episodes that the guests come on and we 333 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: share that love of music and love of cooking and 334 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: love of eating, and it's it's the best. 335 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: What was it like working with that shy flower of 336 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: an individual named d Snyder. 337 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: He's so amazing. I just you know, it's like he's 338 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 2: so I mean, out of all the guests, really, he's 339 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: he's just had so much life experience too, you know 340 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: what I mean, And he is I mean, every guest 341 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: is special in their own way. I mean, I really 342 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 2: love everybody that was on the show so very much. 343 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: They're so sweet and really great people. I mean, I 344 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: surround myself with good peeps. I don't like assholes, I 345 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: don't like dicks, I don't like phony people. I like 346 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 2: real good people. And I like spirited people and passionate people. 347 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 2: And d d is you know, funny and strong and 348 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 2: you know he has a voice, not just as a 349 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: singer and as an entertainer, but you know, he has 350 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: strong beliefs and he's a good man. You know, he's 351 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: a grandpa. He's a husband of a long marriage and 352 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 2: I respect him. And he's just fucking funny. 353 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: You know, he is, he's he's he is a rare breed. 354 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 2: He is. 355 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: And some of your other guests, Mark McGrath terrific a, 356 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: Lisa Loebe. Who are some new targets maybe you're thinking of, Well, I. 357 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: Mean, I would love to have my friend Joey from 358 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: and Sink Joey Fatone. He's one of my best friends. 359 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: And he was not he was, you know, on tour 360 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: traveling and there were there were a few people that 361 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: couldn't come because they were on tour. And you know, 362 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: Paul McCartney, they they said that he really wanted to 363 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: do it. And that's who I'm waiting for, is Paul. 364 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: I want to talk about when he came over in 365 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: my house and what happened when he came over and 366 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 2: we sang at the piano together Andton John, you know, 367 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: I mean Elton John picked me up and put me 368 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: back in my crib when I was when I was 369 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: a toddler. It's like, That's the thing that's so cool, 370 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: is you got I've got these stories because of my life, 371 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: and I want to I know, Paul loves food. He's 372 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: a vegetarian. His daughter's a vegan Mary. They love food, 373 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: and you know, you want to cook quen wha, you 374 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: want to cook a steak, Let's go, you know. But like, 375 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: who's going to be able to talk about the time 376 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: that Paul McCartney came over when I was a kid 377 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: and we saying my Bonnie lies over the ocean at 378 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: the piano. It's so cool. 379 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: Wow, I love it, CARNEYE. In closing, is there career 380 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: satisfaction you are still hoping to achieve? 381 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I have a lot of personal I 382 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 2: have like insecurities, you know. I mean sometimes when I 383 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 2: go to the movies and I see movies and I 384 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 2: watch a TV show and I, you know, I see 385 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 2: the actresses, actors part of me, and the roles and 386 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 2: the scripts and the stories, and I think like, wow, 387 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: you know, I wish I wish I had that role. 388 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: I wish that I did that. And I think there's 389 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: just this roadblock, this block that I that I just 390 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: it's like a sabotage, you know. I mean, one day, 391 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 2: who knows, maybe I'll break down that barrier and and 392 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: just like find that part of me that's willing to 393 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 2: be vulnerable and do that. So that's definitely something. But 394 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: I you know, I kind of love being in the 395 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: kitchen and if I can continue doing that and and 396 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: monetizing that, I mean, it's I don't have an education. 397 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: I mean I never saved money. I have to work 398 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 2: like other people do. And people might find that surprising, 399 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: but I don't care. It is what it is, and 400 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 2: that's what makes me human. And you know, I know 401 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 2: how to make money. I don't know to save money. 402 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 2: I can tell you that I don't know. I like 403 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: my little you know, I like my my lifestyle, but 404 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: you know, health first, family first, food, music first, and 405 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: that's what keeps me happy. So I'm open to what's next, don't. 406 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 2: I don't know what's next, and my mom always says 407 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 2: to me, you never know what's around the corner, so 408 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: don't be afraid to look. 409 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: Carnie Wilson, Oh You're the best. Sounds Delicious Tuesday's nine 410 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: pm Pacific, Encore episodes Saturday and Sunday. Carney, thanks for 411 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: being on Taking a Walk. 412 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: Oh You're so sweet. It was so great to talk 413 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 2: with you. And thank you to you and your listeners 414 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 2: and everything. I appreciate it. 415 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm buzz Night and thanks for listening to the Taking 416 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: a Walk podcast. Now, please check out our companion podcast 417 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: produced by Buzznight Media Productions with your host Lynn Hoffman, 418 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: music Save Me showcasing the healing power of music, and 419 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: comedy Save Me shining a light on how laughter is 420 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: the best medicine. 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