1 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fish Bites podcast. I am arm Leighton 2 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: and I have a very exciting show ahead of you. 3 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: Today we have Tim Healy, the Marlins Sun Sentinel beat writer. 4 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: Tim. 5 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for being on today anytime. So, as you know, 6 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: it's been a crazy week for the Marlins in the 7 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: news and on the field. The Marlins just officially sold 8 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: to the Jeter Sherman group. The Marlins have also won 9 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: four straight and John Carlos Stanton is on a historic 10 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: run and a toward pace of home runs. What can 11 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: you tell us about the sale, Tim, and what can 12 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: fans expect? 13 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you that this is as far 14 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 2: as the process has gotten. 15 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: So far. 16 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: There obviously have been a lot of fits and starts 17 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: in the last six seven, eight months, even longer than that, 18 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: as Lauria has looked to sell the team, and now 19 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: with the Marlins and the group led by Bruce Sherman 20 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: and Derek Jeter coming to an agreement, it's really in 21 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 2: the hands of Major League Baseball and eventually the other 22 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: owners who will vote on it, probably next month. So 23 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: you know, if there are no hang ups in the 24 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: vetting and so on of this deal and of Derek 25 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: Jeter's group's financing. Then I would expect a vote in 26 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: September and the team there were the new owners to 27 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: officially take over the team in early October, right after 28 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: the end of the regular season. 29 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot in the news about I know, 30 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: John Hayman recently put something out saying he thinks the 31 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: Marlins are beyond repair and that it's a bad purchase 32 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: on the part of the Jeter and Sherman group. Do 33 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: you think there's any sentiment to that and do you 34 00:03:58,680 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: think the Marlins can be turned around? 35 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: I think anything can be turned around. 36 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: You know, the Marlins are probably in as bad a 37 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: spot as any organization in baseball in terms of financials, 38 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: you know, losing money every year too along those lines, 39 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 2: financial commitments and move in you know, in the coming 40 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: years to a farm system that ranks as one of 41 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: the worst in baseball, if not the worst. So in 42 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: a lot of ways, the Marlins are in a bad spot. 43 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: So the turning around, you know, you know, if if 44 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: a massive, gigantic ship, and that's what the Marlins are, 45 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: and you can't make a hairpin turn with a giant 46 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: but excuse me, with the giant ship like that so 47 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: this is going to take time. 48 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 4: You know. 49 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: It's not like Jeter comes in and snaps his fingers 50 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: and somehow magically the Marlins are, you know, running smoothly 51 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: in all departments that quickly. It's it is going to 52 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: take time. I don't think it's beyond repair. I think 53 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: there is obviously a lot of room for improvement in 54 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: which really room for improvement in pretty much every way 55 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: the organization operates, you know, from TV deal to relationship 56 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: with the community to on field product obviously, so there 57 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: are a lot of different ways that they can get 58 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: to work. 59 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: And you mentioned financial commitments. Obviously, the Marlins biggest financial 60 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: commitment is John Carlos Stanton. He actually just cleared waivers today, 61 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: which means he could be traded to any team in 62 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: the MLB. Not saying it it will happen, but now 63 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: the Marlins do have the option to further explore trades 64 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: beyond the deadline. Do you think it makes more sense 65 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: for the Marlins to trade Stanton? And do you think 66 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: there's a team that will take that contract with the 67 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: torrid pace that he's on right now, does that justify 68 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: that three hundred plus million dollar contract. 69 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 2: Well, as far as in clearing waivers today, I don't 70 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: expect the trade to happen this month or this season. 71 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: Remains unlikely, as it was in the lead up to 72 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: the trade the nine waiver trade deadline last month. At 73 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: that point, Michael Hill cited, among other things, the lack 74 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: of clarity and the ownership situation with as reason to 75 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: hold on to these core pieces stand among others, and 76 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: so that even though you know there's the agreement with 77 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: the Sherman Jeter group, it's not entirely clear yet. So 78 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: I still don't anticipate a stand move this year. As 79 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: far as interesting stand, there will absolutely be interesting stand 80 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 2: because who doesn't want a guy who's leading the majors 81 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: in home runs and who is having the best season 82 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: of his career and should have a couple of years 83 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: remaining as far as his professional prime goes. He's still 84 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: twenty seven, will turn twenty eighth this offseason. You know, 85 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: the magnet and size of the contract is obviously a 86 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: significant variable in all of these discussions, But as far 87 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: as you know that financial commitment, it is what it is. 88 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: At this point, it's gonna go up to his salary's 89 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: gonna be twenty five million, dollars next year. He's got 90 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety five million dollars coming over the 91 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: next ten years after this one. There are teams that 92 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: can handle that, and there are teams There are definitely 93 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: teams that can handle that for the level of production that. 94 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: He has provided this year. Whether every year will be 95 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: like this one, probably not. 96 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: You know, there are slumps and injuries, and those things 97 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: will continue to happen to stand over the next decade, 98 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: as they will happen to everybody. But you're always going 99 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 2: to find interest in John Carlos stan if he's indeed 100 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: available via trade, which is far more likely come off season. 101 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: So if the Marlins do decide to move Stanton, do 102 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: you think that's the right decision. I mean, the Marlins 103 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,559 Speaker 1: are on a little bit of a good stretch right now. 104 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: There are only four games under five hundred with a 105 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: pitching staff that could be as bad as any pitching 106 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: staff in the MLB, and they're competing. Do you think 107 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: this is something that they should build off of or 108 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: is it time to just replenish the farm system and 109 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: start over. 110 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: Well, there are two trains of thought right well, at 111 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: least two main trains of thought. One is somehow try 112 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: to fix up this pitching staff and compete next year, 113 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: and the other is to burn it to the ground 114 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: completely and start over and trail all the core pieces. 115 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: I think the ladder of those options is the more 116 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: prudent move from a baseball perspective to a fan base 117 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: that has endured so much losing, and it has been told, 118 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: particularly in recent years, that hey, we're rebuilding, this core 119 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: is coming together, and then we're going. 120 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: To be good. 121 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: It could be a tough sell after telling people that 122 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: for so long. New owners coming in offers them a 123 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 2: bit of a clean slate that, you know, in terms 124 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: of a pure public relations perspective, and you know, telling people, hey, 125 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: we have to do. 126 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: This over and do this right and get it right. 127 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: And so in terms of the rebuild, I think, you know, 128 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: it's hard to look at this team four wins in 129 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: a row aside and say, yeah, this team is going 130 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: to compete because for as good as this core looks 131 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: on paper, and as good as the lineup in particular 132 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: looks on paper, they're pretty pedestrian offensively. The pitching staff, obviously, 133 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: rotation in bullpen both has been a bit of a 134 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: patchwork effort. Throughout the season, particularly in relief in recent weeks, 135 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: and you know, there aren't any saviors coming through the 136 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: farm system. It would be difficult to justify signing an 137 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: expensive pitcher given the where the payrolls at in future 138 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: years already, and so really it's hard to imagine patching 139 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: all of the holes this roster has to make it 140 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 2: a legitimately competitive team, because you know, they've been pretty 141 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: good since they stopped being bad and you know, around 142 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: the end of May there, but they were still bad 143 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: throughout May, and there's still a sub five hundred team 144 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: not really in the wild card picture. So I think, 145 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: you know, fans need to be realistic about what the 146 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: actual what is actually happening on the field. In terms 147 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 2: of thinking about the big picture direction of the franchise, 148 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: which will of course be up to Jeter and Company 149 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: in the coming weeks and months. 150 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: Well, I think what you just touched on is important, 151 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, a clean slate for the new ownership and 152 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: an opportunity to really win back this fan base that, 153 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: as you said, has endured so much. But at the 154 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: same time, business as business and the Marlins do need 155 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: to improve from the ground up. So I think it's 156 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: an important distinction to say, you know, we have to 157 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: start over a little bit, we have to make some moves. 158 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you don't want to just 159 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: scourage the fan base that you just purchased. So do 160 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: you think that the Marlins might just be better off 161 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: trying to get rid of those contracts of Prato and 162 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: Dee Gordon? Chen obviously won't. You won't be able to 163 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: get Chen off the books. Would that make more sense? 164 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: Or do you just fire away Realmuto and Ozuna because 165 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: you know you'll get several top one hundred prospects. 166 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: I think it needs to be all or nothing. 167 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: You know, this idea of trading some of the bad 168 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: contracts for essentially would be return of very little in 169 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: terms of prospects or even major league players. 170 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: You know, you can't just tell teams, oh. 171 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: Take our guys with big contracts, you know, and give 172 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: us good players back. You know, say you take away, 173 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: Say you trade Prato, the Marlins basically haven't had him 174 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: this year anyway. Say you trade d Gordon, who has 175 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: had a really solid bounce back year after a bad 176 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: year last year. And what do you have left? You 177 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: have your core pieces of the outfields of JT Real 178 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: mutto of Justin Moore, and really you've had all of 179 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: those guys this year too, minus Moore for the last 180 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: couple of weeks, and if you subtracted Gordon from that, 181 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 2: what's left you have most. 182 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 3: Of a mediocre offense, you know what I mean. 183 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: Theoretically all of those players will get a little better 184 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: next year. You know, it's impossible to tell right now 185 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: whether this is the best year Marcelo Zuna will ever 186 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: have or if it's going to. 187 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 3: Be his norm for the next few years. 188 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: But the reality is that the Marlins as constituted right 189 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: now are a below average team in pretty much every way. 190 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: So, going off of excuse me what you said about 191 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: Martin Prado, do you think the Marlins would be better 192 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: off calling calling up Brian Anderson and do you think 193 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: he could be the future at third base? 194 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: That's a really interesting question. Brian Anderson's been doing well 195 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 3: at Triple A. 196 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: He only got there sometime in July, so it's only 197 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: been a few weeks. Really, Ideally, you'd like to see 198 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: him marinate a little more, let him dominate Triple A 199 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: pitching before coming up. It wouldn't surprise me if he 200 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: had a September call up. But in terms of, you know, 201 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: handing over third base to Brian Anderson this season, there's 202 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: not really a ton of urgency or a ton of 203 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: sense in that I would start Brian Anderson's service time clock, 204 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: of course, which factors into arbitration in years of team 205 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: control way down the line, in terms of twenty eighteen, 206 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: you know, comes spring training, the decision of our team 207 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 2: proud o versus Brian Anderson's will be an interesting one. 208 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: Brian Anderson will be almost ready, if not definitely ready for. 209 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: The major leagues. 210 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: And you know, maybe maybe Brian Anderson has a strong 211 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: showing in spring that motivate Marlins to move product, much 212 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: like they did with Etcha Maria this year when Riddle 213 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: showed he would be a serviceable replacement at a lower cost. 214 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: Brian Anderson is the probably probably the top position player 215 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: prospect in the system right now, and absolutely the one. 216 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: Closest to the major leagues. 217 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: So you know, he could add some excitement to these, 218 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: you know, the last month and a half here of 219 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: the Marlins season, but you know, he's not really going 220 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: to be a game changer. 221 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 3: In any way, you know, as far as this season 222 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 3: is concerned. 223 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, because as I take a look at Anderson's numbers 224 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: through you through the minor leagues, as he said, he 225 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: just got caught up to triple A. This season one 226 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen games, He's batting two seventy two with 227 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: twenty one home runs and seventy six RBIs, which is 228 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: very impressive. Definitely some pop that the Marlins could use 229 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: in the lineup. I think a big issue with the 230 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: Marlin run production is the lack of power in the infield. 231 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: I'd like to hear your take on that, because I 232 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: think Dee Gordon is, you know, great top of the 233 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: order guy, but at the end of the day, he's 234 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: not gonna, you know, slug for you or drive in 235 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: many runs. And then at third base you've got Martin 236 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: Prado who also hits well with runners in scoring position, 237 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, he's not gonna 238 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: knock the ball out of the park either. You have 239 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: a shortstop now, it was Etchevaria, it's been Rojas, it 240 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: was Riddle, All light hitting shortstops, and really your only 241 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: power source is coming from first base, and I think 242 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,359 Speaker 1: in the modern game, a lot of power hitting shortstops 243 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: are out there Now as you look at Correa and 244 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: Lindoor and there's a lot of power hitting second basement. 245 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm curious what your take is on that, and do 246 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: you think the Marlins should are too power deprived in 247 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: the infield. 248 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: That's an interesting idea for sure, because you're right, the 249 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: Marlins have essentially no power in their infield, especially with 250 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: more sidelined. You know, as far as Dee Gordon and 251 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: him being your prototypical leadoff guy, you like him in 252 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: that role and you're in I think any team would 253 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: accept him as a leadoff hitter, you know, doing what 254 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: he does getting on base, stealing bases, being a good 255 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: base runner. 256 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: Generally. 257 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: The position where I think there's room for improvement for 258 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: sure is third base. Of course, a lost season for 259 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: Prada with three trips to the d L. Derek Dietrich 260 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: has been much better lately actually, but on the season 261 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: has left something to be desired. Let's say, so, you know, 262 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: if you as you look to the future in this infield, sure, yeah. 263 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 3: You would like a little bit more power at third base. 264 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: That's a good idea and Brian Anderson can probably provide that. 265 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: But as but you don't really look at the lineup. 266 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: You know, when you're estimating what a lineup will give 267 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: you over the course of a season, you don't say, oh, 268 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 2: you know, we need some more pops specifically from the infield. 269 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: You sort of look at it as a whole. They 270 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: have three outfielders who can hit for power. They have 271 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: a catcher who can hit for a decent amount of power, 272 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: so that sort of balances out. Given how good the 273 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: outfield is. It's not like the Marlins are lacking for 274 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: home runs. Really, you know, it's stan a Zuna yell. 275 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: It should hit for more power if you can figure 276 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: out how to lift the ball a little bit more 277 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: real Muto's a decent amount of power and of course 278 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: poor when he's in there was among the major League 279 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 2: leaders in home runs for a while there, So it's 280 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: not like the Marlins are lacking power overall. But you're right, 281 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: the infield doesn't have a ton of it, and third 282 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: base specifically could be an area improvement on that front. 283 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: Definitely, And I like you said, there's a ton of 284 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: power coming out of the outfield fortunately for the Marlins, 285 00:17:53,720 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: but especially should the team move Stanton or Ozuna, there 286 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: will be a lot of power to be desired I 287 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: feel in that lineup, if you could take a guess 288 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: on the most likely player to be moved, I know 289 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of a difficult question. I know you said 290 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: earlier it's all or nothing, but it seems to kind 291 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: of be a domino effect. Who do you think would 292 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: be the first to go should the Marlins decide to sell? 293 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: And are there any untouchables? Because I know I've heard 294 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: a lot about Yellick and real Muto being untouchable. Is 295 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: there anyone else that you might think is untouchable? And 296 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: how untouchable are Yellick and real Muto? 297 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: To me, a guy who makes sense to be the 298 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: first one to go would be Ozuna. Of course, in 299 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: this group of court players that is always discussed. It's 300 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: a crapshoot really which domino happens to fall first. 301 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: But ozooa makes. 302 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: Sense in that he is having a career year is 303 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: trade value will probably never be higher than it is 304 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 2: right now, and as it will be this offseason, So 305 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: he's to me, he's an easy piece to move. You 306 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: can probably get a good return for him. He's got 307 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: two more years team control left. 308 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 3: We'll get a significant raise in salary. 309 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: Arbitration this year and is Scott boris client, so you're 310 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 2: unlikely to sign him to a long term deal, particularly 311 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: the Marlins given where they are financially in payroll lise. 312 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: For the next couple of years and definitely ahead. And 313 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: what was the second part of your question? Oh, how old? Yeah? 314 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: How untouchable do you think real Muto and Yelich are? 315 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 3: To me, untouchable is black and white. You're untouchable or 316 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 3: you're not. 317 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: And to me, neither of those players, and none of 318 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: the Marlins really are untouchable. If they're gonna go for 319 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: the rebuild again, you can't really halfway do a rebuild. 320 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: It's you know, it doesn't make much sense to keep 321 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: Yelich in real Muto, who are under well both I mean, 322 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 2: I know Yelig has this extension. Real Muto is just 323 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: under team control via you know, arbitration and whatnot. 324 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: But by the time. 325 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: If the Marlins decide to rebuild, by the time they're 326 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 2: good again, you know where where are Yellowich and real 327 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: Muto going to be in their in their careers and 328 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: in their contracts. To me, they could be most valuable 329 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: to the team in what they would return, which would 330 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 2: be hopefully you know, each a couple of core pieces 331 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: for the next good Marlins team instead of just holding 332 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: onto those guys, losing the chance to for the replenish 333 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: the farm system and hope that the Marlins are good 334 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: while Yellow and Real Muto are still around. 335 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: Definitely, because I think, like you said, you can't rebuild 336 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: halfway right, You're just stuck in a perpetual cycle. 337 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 3: That's sort of what the Marlins have done for years now. 338 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and every year they think they're in contention, they 339 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: end up trading off a few good pieces to try 340 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: and get an arm like a rental like Andrew Kashner 341 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: or Fernando Rodney, and you end up just giving away 342 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: pieces and not even making the playoffs. Even if you do, 343 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: I don't see how it's worth it, and that's part 344 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: of the reason why the farm system was drained along 345 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: with you poor scouting. But if the Marlins do decide 346 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: to sell off all of those pieces, you look at 347 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: the Adam Eaton trade, Marcelo Zuno would have to get 348 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: a better return than Adam Eaton in my opinion. I'm 349 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: curious what you think. And Adam Eaton got brought in 350 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: a return of two top one hundred prospects. I believe 351 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: in another very solid mid level prospect. Do you think 352 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: if the Marlins make those moves and decide to trade 353 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: that core, is that enough to make their farm system 354 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: one of the best in the MLB from the worst, 355 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: as you said earlier. 356 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. 357 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: The Adam being traded actually is an interesting baseline for 358 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: a potential of Azuna deal. Obviously, Ozuna is more offensively 359 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: focused and Eaten defensively, so so they're definitely different players. 360 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 3: But you're right, the National's got a haul for Eton. 361 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: Which goes to show, you know, Ozuna would bring back 362 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 2: some good minor leaguers. As far as trading all of 363 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: their core pieces and turning the farm system around, yes, 364 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: I think it can happen very quickly. Look at the 365 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: White Sox as an example, over the last probably thirteen months, 366 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: starting at last year's trade deadline and through the winter 367 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: when they traded Chris Sale, and even into this season, 368 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: they had one of the worst farm systems in baseball. 369 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: And now they're bursting at the scenes with prospects and 370 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: some of those guys are starting to get to the majors. 371 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 2: So really, you know, in recent years, the most recent 372 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 2: most well known rebuilds are probably the Cubs who who 373 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: started from scratch, the Astros who endured several or at 374 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 2: least a couple hundred lost seasons, and right now we're 375 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: seeing the White Sox do it. The White Sox haven't 376 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: seen you know, the major league fruits developed yet, but 377 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 2: they're in a really good position moving forward given all 378 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 2: the prospects they've they've reeled in by trading their best players. 379 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: Definitely, and it's it's a very difficult thing to do, 380 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: but like you said, it might be necessary, unfortunately for 381 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: Marlins fans to hear that. 382 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 2: Right to go back to a point that you mentioned earlier, 383 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: I forgot to address, you know, the idea of you know, 384 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: turning off the fan base or frustrating the fan base 385 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 2: or things along those lines. Don't get me wrong, Marlins 386 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: fans are great, the ones who exist and the ones 387 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 2: who pay attention. But the reality is that TV ratings 388 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: are low and attendance numbers are low, so there isn't 389 00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: much of a. 390 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 3: Fan base to and off. 391 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 2: And if and when the Marlins turn it around on 392 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: the field and they start winning, all of those numbers 393 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: will go up, and fans who exist now and fans. 394 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: You know, potential fans lack fans who are hardcore, they'll 395 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: come around if and when. 396 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: It's a winning team. 397 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's basically the number one way to build 398 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: a fan base is just to win. You know. You 399 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: look at places like San Francisco. Absolutely that really from 400 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: the ground up. I mean, San Francisco has always been 401 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: a good baseball town. But two hundred plus consecutive sellouts 402 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: following those three World Series appearances in five years or so, 403 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: and even in such a terrible year for the team, 404 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: one of the worst in franchise history, they're still selling 405 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: out every game. So not to say the Marlins will 406 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: ever get there, but winning, like you said, will definitely 407 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: drum up some excitement. But I'm hoping for the sake 408 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: of the Marlins and the Marlins fan that exists, Like 409 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: you said, this sale can maybe inject a little bit 410 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: of adrenaline into the fan base and give give fans 411 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: a little bit to look forward to. Absolutely another I've 412 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: read one of your pieces on Justin Nicolino, and I 413 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: thought you did a great job of basically saying his 414 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: times running out. How many more chances can this guy get? 415 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: What's your assessment of Nicolino this time around, and do 416 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: you think that he can hone in on it, on 417 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: his stuff and figure out what kind of picture he 418 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: is or are the Marlins gonna give up too soon 419 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: and he ends up like an Andrew Miller where he 420 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: goes elsewhere and ends up figuring out his craft. And 421 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: what do you think justin Nicolino, where do you think 422 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: he may go? 423 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: Well, the next month. 424 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: And a half will tell us a lot on the 425 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: Nicolino front. As I wrote in the story that you mentioned, 426 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 2: this is his last option year, so he is in 427 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: a position similar to the one who's a Urania was 428 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: in a year ago, in that come next spring training, 429 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: it's time to put up or shut up. He has 430 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: to make the roster or the Marlins will cut him 431 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: and risk losing him on waivers. You know, through that 432 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: transactional process. Nicolino was had a pretty good game in 433 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: his first game back in the Majors a couple of 434 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: days ago, and we'll see what that yields. 435 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: I wouldn't expect him necessarily to. 436 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 2: Be an Andrew Miller type, just because Andrew Miller always was, 437 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: you know, a highly regarded prospect who had the pure stuff. 438 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 3: He threw hard and all that, and he. 439 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 2: Just couldn't quite put it together for what ended up 440 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: being a couple more years with Nicolino. The stuff isn't 441 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: it isn't as nasty. He doesn't throw as hard. He 442 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: sits in the low nineties. And Mattingley was saying last week, 443 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: you know, before Nicolino made the start, that that's who 444 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 2: Nicolino is. Nicolino had to learn as to accept that 445 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 2: and learn how to pitch that way. Mattingly was mentioning, 446 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: you know, maybe go curve bowl heavy, maybe go off 447 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 2: speed heavy, you know, mixing in the change up a bunch, 448 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 2: whatever that right formula is for him. 449 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 3: He has to figure it out. 450 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: And it's not really you know, in terms of time 451 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 2: running out. It's not a knock on Nicolino necessarily because 452 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 2: it's not. It's just an acknowledgment of the reality that 453 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 2: it's been three years of this, you know, solid minor 454 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: league results, less so. 455 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: In the major leagues. 456 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: And if he's a legitimate major league pitcher, now's the 457 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 2: time for him to prove it. 458 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 459 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: And the thing is, the Andrew Miller situation is obviously different. 460 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: But I know, I know Marlins fans still kind of. 461 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: It still burns a little bit now. One hurts they 462 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: gave up on him a little early. And I know 463 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: the pitching coach sake, his name doesn't come to my mind, 464 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: but for the Red Soxes was very well well known 465 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: for developing left handed pitchers, and I know Andrew Miller 466 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: gives him a lot of credit for helping him hone 467 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: in on his stuff. But I think the important distinction 468 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: with Nicolino, like you were saying, is there's a big 469 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: difference between control and command, and Nicolino has good control, 470 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: but he doesn't have great command. And when you're throwing 471 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: low nineties and you have average stuff, you really need 472 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: to be able to have good command and spot up 473 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: and make hitters get themselves out because he's not going 474 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: to strike out, you know, ten plus guys like Chris 475 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: Sale does. But hopefully for the marlins sake, justin Nicolino 476 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: can turn into a decent back of the rotation starter. 477 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 1: But like you said, maybe the pressure pressure will be 478 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: better for him with this coming year being his last 479 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to make the team or maybe whole fold. But 480 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: at that point, at least the Marlins will know to 481 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: look for other options because they seem to continue to 482 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: hope that Nicolino might be that guy as we go 483 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: into the final kind of segment before we wrap up. 484 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: As you know, a lot of our readers are big 485 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: fanciers ten and I'm Glad, and they love to give 486 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: you a hard time, but they also love to ask 487 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: you questions. So we kind of reached out on our 488 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: Twitter and we wanted to see if anyone has any 489 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: questions for you. Most of them, not to my surprise, 490 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: were not really traditional baseball questions, but nonetheless, one of 491 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: the questions that stuck out to me was how does 492 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: Tim feel about the removal of the home run statue? Oh? 493 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: Yes, this sort of blew up a couple of days 494 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: ago and kind of annoyed me because the quote unquote 495 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: removal of the home run statue sculpture. 496 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 3: Isn't it isn't a given. Nobody's really talking about this yet. 497 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: That started as one line in story about the Jeter 498 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: Sherman group and you know that agreement with the Marlins, 499 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: And it was a source close to Jeter or who 500 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: had been in contact with Jeter, who suggested that it 501 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 2: might be something they do. So the idea that you 502 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: know they're taking out the home RWN sculpture in October. 503 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: You know that's that's gonna be his first move. That's 504 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: not really the case. If if he does take it out, 505 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if I would really have any reaction 506 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: to it. It would be, you know, thinking about the 507 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: outfield landscape at Marlins Park. It would definitely alter that considerably. 508 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 2: But I guess it depends on what they do in 509 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: its place. If it's just an empty spot beyond the fence, 510 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: and that's that's kind of lame. I think the sculpture 511 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: overall has grown on me a little bit, and I 512 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: think it's grown on a lot of people. Is uniquely Marlins, 513 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: uniquely Miami, and as weird and psychedelic as it looks, 514 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: it's sort of a, you know, a big part of 515 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: Marlins Park for sure. 516 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: What pains me about the sculpture, though, is that it's 517 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: almost Jeffrey Laurier's legacy. Sure sure that just lingers forever. 518 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: And I forget what season it was. It may have 519 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: been twenty thirteen, where the Marlins had one of the 520 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: lowest payrolls in the MLB, and that sculpture was as 521 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: I think it was, the fifth most expensive player in 522 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: quotes on the team, so basically every other player their 523 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: salary was less than the price of the sculpture, which 524 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: seems like the most Jeffrey Laurie a thing I've ever 525 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: heard in my life. 526 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 3: Right, And that's a good point. 527 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: If Jeter and company want to get rid of it 528 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: from a pure image perspective, from you know, at onto, 529 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: that clean slate sort of deal, that would make a 530 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: lot of sense to me, for sure. 531 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: I would absolutely. 532 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: Understand why any new owner would want to do that 533 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 2: as a symbolic move more than anything. 534 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely. And the last question we have for you is 535 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: what's the best Chipotle you've ever eaten? 536 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: That that's pretty funny. Well, I guess I'd say there 537 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: are two Chipotles that I hold near and dear. 538 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 3: They're my local Chipotles. 539 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 4: The one one I used to live in Boston, the 540 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 4: one in Cleveland Circle that's a great Chipotle, better known 541 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 4: to the larger world as the one that had neurovirus 542 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 4: in December twenty fifteen, but rest assured I was not affected. 543 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 3: And then the one I have down. 544 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: Here now Unsterling Road, I think technically in in Dania, 545 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: so I go to that Chipotle probably more often than 546 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: I should, so shout out to both of those. 547 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely a little free endorsement here. And last, but not least, 548 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: what will Stanton finish with? What will his home run 549 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: total be? 550 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good one. 551 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 2: As of right now, after he hit number forty three 552 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: last night, he is on. 553 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 3: Pace for sixty. 554 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 2: Now that takes into account his recent tear as well 555 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: as you know, his relative slower months. 556 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 3: So as a. 557 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 2: Total, I'm gonna say fifty nine, which is which is 558 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: a crazy number really? Which is you know, only only 559 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 2: five players ever have hit the sixty threshold, so fifty 560 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: nine obviously is nothing to sneeze at. 561 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: There's just something about that milestone though that would kind 562 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: of sting a little bit, but that's it's a great 563 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: number to have if I'm sure if Stanton gets fifty nine, 564 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: some of our readers will be on you, but hopefully 565 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: he'll crack sixty and for your sake, because I promise you, 566 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: they will be on you. But anyways, Tim, thank you 567 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: for joining me. It's always great having you on. I'm 568 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: sure all of our readers will be listeners, will be 569 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: really excited to hear you, and hopefully we'll have you 570 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: on in the near future. 571 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 3: Great anytime. Thank you very much, have a good one 572 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 3: tim you too.