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Speaker 2: Today is Thursday, February first, twenty twenty four, and we
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Speaker 2: Investigate and educate here on a big week for the
Speaker 2: NFL Draft process. Senior Bowl practices conclude today, the actual
Speaker 2: game on Saturday. Shrine Bowl practices are in the review
Speaker 2: mirror in the actual game. The Shrine Bowl takes place
Speaker 2: tonight at seven o'clock Central Time inside Fort Center at
Speaker 2: the Star in Firstco. We've got Zach Walchuk, Nick Harris,
Speaker 2: Iusha Morris, and Brian brought us on. Kyle Yeoman's how's
Speaker 2: everybody doing? Nick, you had an early flight this morning,
Speaker 2: got back in in time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Me and Scott Purcell from a little down the way.
Speaker 5: We made our way in from Mobile this morning, five
Speaker 5: twenty five am. Flight Ready to rock.
Speaker 6: Let's get it.
Speaker 2: That's the type of draft process, dedication.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that I admire.
Speaker 7: We were all very jealous and you're getting to be
Speaker 7: at those practices and get to get a close and
Speaker 7: personal look at some of these guys. Man, I'm sure
Speaker 7: it was a blast out there and Mobile, but we
Speaker 7: appreciate your dedication, hard work to be here right now.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too, Me too, Zech No, it was great.
Speaker 5: It was my first time out there for the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 5: I had been to Mobile many times in my previous
Speaker 5: job for different events, but going for that event, I mean,
Speaker 5: that's something that the town really comes out for. It's
Speaker 5: a it's really special whenever you're out on the town
Speaker 5: at night. I mean you see scouts everywhere, you see
Speaker 5: media personnel everywhere. It's a really it's a really interesting event.
Speaker 5: I mean the town turns into like a mini NFL
Speaker 5: town for you know, those few days. So and we're
Speaker 5: going to dive into, you know, everything from the from
Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl, as far as evaluations go, different position groups.
Speaker 5: I think there were some guys that really helped their stock,
Speaker 5: guys that hurt their stock this week.
Speaker 6: So it's gonna be fun, man.
Speaker 2: And you're talking about Mobile turning into a mini NFL town.
Speaker 3: Just wait to experience the combine. It would be so fun.
Speaker 3: It's the best.
Speaker 2: With that being said, I mean there's a lot that happened,
Speaker 2: Like you said, ups and downs of the Senior Bowl Week,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna have a lot of that as the
Speaker 2: draft process goes on. But who was the best that
Speaker 2: you got your eyes on all week long? Is the
Speaker 2: number one guy? We'll talk deeper depths, but I want
Speaker 2: to know who was there the best. Nick Harris's MVP
Speaker 2: of Senior Bowl Week.
Speaker 5: I guess you got to go with Jackson Powers Johnson.
Speaker 5: I mean, if I'm looking at one guy who consistently
Speaker 5: performed on both days, you know, if you had asked
Speaker 5: me after Day one, it would have been Tyler Guiding
Speaker 5: out of Oklahoma, But then he didn't have as strong
Speaker 5: of a Day two, lost some reps. I could also
Speaker 5: throw in Darius Robinson out of Missouri, talk about as rusher. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be a first round guy.
Speaker 3: First round guy. So he made himself some money.
Speaker 2: He was really fun at Missouri, like his tape is fun,
Speaker 2: but it was just like what are you getting out
Speaker 2: of the shurt?
Speaker 3: So seeing him against different competition was really nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm stamping him right now. I'm putting that first
Speaker 5: round stock on him. I really like what I saw
Speaker 5: from him. But I want to talk about Jackson Powers.
Speaker 5: Johnson both days performed well, lining up at left guard, center,
Speaker 5: right guard. I mean he played everywhere in the interior,
Speaker 5: really good anchor, really good bass. I loved what I
Speaker 5: saw from him. He kind of tweaked his hamstring towards
Speaker 5: the end of practice yesterday. I'm curious. We're got the
Speaker 5: Senior Bowl here on in the TV, here in the studio.
Speaker 5: Curious to see if he's back out there today. But
Speaker 5: I don't think he needs to be. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: we were talking about a couple of weeks ago, you know, hey,
Speaker 5: you know the Cowboys Twitter, They're starting to look at
Speaker 5: Jackson Powers Johnson as a potential option there at fifty six.
Speaker 5: Now you're hoping he'll be there at twenty four, right.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a top twenty type guy, and
Speaker 5: I think even if he does slip outside of the
Speaker 5: top twenty, you look at a center needy team the
Speaker 5: Miami Dolphins at twenty one, and if you somehow get
Speaker 5: past them, then you're okay. Maybe, But I just don't
Speaker 5: I'm starting to not see how Jackson powers Johnson slips
Speaker 5: to twenty four. But never less, he made himself a
Speaker 5: lot of money this week. I really liked what I
Speaker 5: saw from him.
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised that you didn't say anything about
Speaker 2: Liatu Latu.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, Layatu la.
Speaker 6: Well, you asked me for one guy, and I kind
Speaker 6: of give you two.
Speaker 9: But I know, but none of them were a.
Speaker 3: Lots Yeah, you were very impressed with him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll touch on Laotsu Latsu.
Speaker 5: Probably one of the more craftier past rushers I've ever
Speaker 5: seen at this level, at this stage of his career.
Speaker 5: When you when you combo what he can do with
Speaker 5: his hands, what he can do with his athleticism, I mean,
Speaker 5: he's he's really talented. He was lining up against some
Speaker 5: of the stronger tackles in the class, or the stronger
Speaker 5: tackles that were Aaron mobile. He was able to get
Speaker 5: around them on a consistent basis. I mean he was
Speaker 5: coming inside, he was coming around the edge. I mean
Speaker 5: whenever law Tu lined up, you did not know what
Speaker 5: he was going to do. There was one play that
Speaker 5: really stuck stuck out to me about Law two from
Speaker 5: the week, though, and I mentioned this to Kyle when
Speaker 5: we were on the phone yesterday being nerds and sickos.
Speaker 6: He got this whole thing we saw.
Speaker 2: Thirty five minutes on like a drive home, and it
Speaker 2: probably could have gone for an hour and thirty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you almost gotten like two rex on the
Speaker 6: way it was.
Speaker 3: I was yelling at other cars. It was so bad.
Speaker 5: I'd be like, you know a Christian who's and he'd
Speaker 5: be like, oh, my exploitive, exploitive.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I don't say expove. Don't say that.
Speaker 5: You said explotive the word you know, because you don't cuss.
Speaker 5: But anyway, there was one play that stuck out to
Speaker 5: me about Lats. It was a play where they were
Speaker 5: in team drills, so eleven on eleven, Michael Pennix was
Speaker 5: the quarterback and LAT two had him confuse from snap
Speaker 5: to finish.
Speaker 6: So what law Too did was he dropped back in coverage.
Speaker 5: And when he dropped back and coverage, Penis did not
Speaker 5: really expect that because he was trying to hit a
Speaker 5: crosser over the middle. It kind of confused the passing
Speaker 5: lane right there. For for Penix what lots he was
Speaker 5: able to do, So he was like, Okay, let me
Speaker 5: roll out and try to follow this crosser and kind
Speaker 5: of get around lat too, because he's not going to
Speaker 5: follow me.
Speaker 6: He's a defensive lineman.
Speaker 5: He followed him step for step and then he just
Speaker 5: kind of picked up that crosser and became like a
Speaker 5: coverage linebacker in a way, in a sense right there.
Speaker 5: And then Pinnix threw it out of bounds. He threw
Speaker 5: it out of bounds in a practice setting, and it
Speaker 5: was just like, Okay, yeah, a lot too. He's smart,
Speaker 5: he got him, he's he's he's violent whenever he wants
Speaker 5: to rush the pass or he's really good, but whenever
Speaker 5: he needs to turn on those instincts, he's even better.
Speaker 5: And I really like what I saw from Law two.
Speaker 5: That's a top ten, top fifteen pick in my book.
Speaker 3: I love what you're saying is awesome.
Speaker 7: Those are the kind of differences you're looking at with
Speaker 7: some of these edge rushers. One, I mean, for his size,
Speaker 7: the unique athleticism he has, but his bend, but he's
Speaker 7: got an arsenal a pass rushman. He's not just like
Speaker 7: a one single tool on the tool belt kind of guy.
Speaker 7: That's why him and a guy like Chop Robinson from
Speaker 7: Penn State.
Speaker 3: Those are the two dudes. They kind of stand out
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 7: They're rare with their speed, they're timing off the edge,
Speaker 7: their ability to bend, their quick twitchiness. But also they've
Speaker 7: got a multitude of different ways to beat you, along
Speaker 7: with having quick and violent hands. But I mean the
Speaker 7: ability to drop off in coverage. I mean, I don't
Speaker 7: think alat two is a guy that you want to
Speaker 7: see do that a ton, but with his size and
Speaker 7: his length, he can cause issues.
Speaker 5: And something else about Law two too. I mean I
Speaker 5: was kind of looking him up and down. He can
Speaker 5: add twenty twenty five pounds to his frame, and I
Speaker 5: wonder if he can retain that same athleticism. I think
Speaker 5: he could. I mean his legs are still kind of lanky.
Speaker 5: He's got room to grow in his arms as well.
Speaker 5: I mean, once he gets in an NFL weight type program,
Speaker 5: he can really develop into a very scary defensive way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's gonna can be.
Speaker 7: He can be a terrifying presidence off the edge. It's
Speaker 7: just tough because he's got you know, his previous stop.
Speaker 7: Washington's like, look, dude, you're you're not playing football anymore.
Speaker 7: Then he goes to UCLA and continues to play. So
Speaker 7: those are two guys. I know another name that I've
Speaker 7: just been seeing and I'm sure you can highlight on him,
Speaker 7: and we've talked about him on the Draft show. A
Speaker 7: lot of these guys really popped that we've talked about
Speaker 7: to make us look good. But Peyton Wilson from Encie State,
Speaker 7: the dude's been wrecking. I mean, they've got these the
Speaker 7: next gen stats, they've got the mile per hour that
Speaker 7: they're tracking. These guys has been the fastest linebacker there
Speaker 7: at the Senior Bowl and mobile. But you got to
Speaker 7: judge the medical the risk reward. For me, those are
Speaker 7: two guys. You watch them on tape. They're just football players.
Speaker 7: I think they're worth taking the risk for me. But
Speaker 7: then again, for other people in that room, they might say,
Speaker 7: I'm not even putting them on our board right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's gonna be a question. I think medicals coming
Speaker 5: out of combine. We've talked about that with Peyton Wilson.
Speaker 5: That's gonna be the big question. And every franchise is
Speaker 5: gonna feel different about that, right So, you know, like
Speaker 5: you said, one team, Nah, we're good. Other team, Hey,
Speaker 5: let's check on those medicals on Wilson at combine. Let's
Speaker 5: kind of see from my perspective, he does not move
Speaker 5: like a guy that has had knee surgery, shoulder surgeries.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's active, he's violent, he's fast. At twenty
Speaker 5: point eight two miles per hour was the fastest on
Speaker 5: field speed from all linebackers on day one. He paired
Speaker 5: that on day two. I mean it was fun because
Speaker 5: it was him and Cedric Gray from North Carolina that
Speaker 5: were in that linebacking corps for the American Team, and
Speaker 5: those guys were just flying across the place in team drills.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was really fun to see they were
Speaker 5: communicating well with each other. One thing that really stood
Speaker 5: out to me about Peyton Wilson was that communication factor.
Speaker 5: He's wearing the green dot for that defense this week.
Speaker 5: He's been awesome for them. Talk to a few of
Speaker 5: the coaches on the coaching staff for the American Team,
Speaker 5: and they love what Peyton Wilson brings to the team
Speaker 5: off the field and what he's been able to do
Speaker 5: from a communication standpoint. So if you're looking for a
Speaker 5: guy who also kind of needs to be able to
Speaker 5: step in and be able to be.
Speaker 6: That kind of leader on day one. Peyton Wilson's your guy.
Speaker 7: That's exactly what we were talking about last week while
Speaker 7: you were out there. I wonder if you heard anything
Speaker 7: similar about Cedric Gray because he's another dude to me
Speaker 7: from North Carolina. When you watch Jeremiah Trotter junior from Clemson,
Speaker 7: I think Cedric Ray is a taller version of Jeremiah
Speaker 7: Trotter Jr. He's sixty three compared to just the six
Speaker 7: foot but instinct's ability to rally to the football sideline,
Speaker 7: the sideline speed, and you mentioned the communication there, so
Speaker 7: I wonder that can Cedric Gray kind of be that
Speaker 7: field general as well?
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, Cedric, if I'm not mistaken, he said he's
Speaker 10: a will and so I guess like pairing them together
Speaker 10: was cool to see also too. But when you talk
Speaker 10: about Peyton Wilson, Doug like we talk about true Mike linebacker,
Speaker 10: he's big, Doug. I was just so impressed with the
Speaker 10: you mentioned the speed. It transfers so well all over
Speaker 10: the field. I mean, his hips are just crazy. And
Speaker 10: you don't see a guy that's had a whole bunch
Speaker 10: of injuries because also to you worry about, Okay, is
Speaker 10: he gonna play timm is he gonna be No, there's
Speaker 10: just none of that in this game. And also too,
Speaker 10: you mentioned how good he is off the field. The
Speaker 10: game looks so much slower to him than everybody else
Speaker 10: to me when he's out there. So you talk about
Speaker 10: the IQ and the processing and the ability to react.
Speaker 10: I understand the medical stuff too. I would be giving
Speaker 10: it a second look depending on also to what your
Speaker 10: core looks like, what your linebacker court looks like, because
Speaker 10: it's also like, Okay, do I want this guy out
Speaker 10: there every single snap? Maybe I don't know how you
Speaker 10: decide to do that, but I do think the depth
Speaker 10: that you have in your room, depending on what team
Speaker 10: it is, that plays a factor and whether you decide
Speaker 10: to bring a guy like this in. But I think
Speaker 10: he's one of the truest mics I've seen in a minute.
Speaker 11: Yeah, with the thing with Wilson, that's interesting. It reminds
Speaker 11: me so much. And here we have a Trotter and
Speaker 11: a draft and in nineteen ninety eight we had to
Speaker 11: make a determination of Jeremiah Trotter Senior and his knee,
Speaker 11: you know, and where's the value of the player, you know,
Speaker 11: where's the value of the risk in the reward. Where's
Speaker 11: the doctor? And you know, the Cowboys have one of
Speaker 11: the best doctors in Dan Cooper in the country that
Speaker 11: could tell you, Like, but you know, I just remember
Speaker 11: with Jeremiah Trotter seniors or ten years. I can't tell
Speaker 11: you that. You know, you have to evaluate. There's going
Speaker 11: to have to be a call from somebody within an organization.
Speaker 11: It's going to have to say, man, we like this
Speaker 11: guy too much, let's go let's just take this guy,
Speaker 11: or we can't deal with it.
Speaker 9: We've you know, and the Cowboys.
Speaker 11: Don't have a great history with linebackers that have been hurt.
Speaker 11: Correct me if I'm wrong. I mean there's some guys
Speaker 11: that have been tremendous players in this organization that have
Speaker 11: come in with medical conditions and it hasn't It's ended
Speaker 11: for them way before it should have ended.
Speaker 3: Even recent history. Yeah, like very recent history. Yeah, absolutely
Speaker 3: happened like that, no doubt.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 11: And the and the sad thing about it is Overstown
Speaker 11: now becomes a guy who has a medical condition for.
Speaker 3: You you know, and so you know that's that's the thing.
Speaker 11: And you know they gambled on Layton Van der Esh
Speaker 11: and it it you know, he he had a nice career,
Speaker 11: but it it could have been so much more if
Speaker 11: maybe he wasn't dealing with so much before he been
Speaker 11: got here.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they might be out of that I personally, I
Speaker 10: mean as far as the Cowboys and drafting linebackers that
Speaker 10: have had health issues, I feel like at this point
Speaker 10: you've seen it multiple times, Jalen Smith. You've also seen
Speaker 10: it with Leyden Vandersch and then now you've seen it
Speaker 10: with who's the third guy, Clark who had the injury
Speaker 10: as well that you.
Speaker 9: Called, Yeah, you caught it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to dig a grave for the moone
Speaker 2: Clark playing out a position and he played a ton
Speaker 2: of snaps issue and he was healthy.
Speaker 3: Through it all.
Speaker 9: But he surprised me he played last year.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's that was a shock in its own right.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I'm not absolutely not digging on him, especially with him
Speaker 10: playing out a position. But I will say that with
Speaker 10: this club, you you look at the track worker, maybe
Speaker 10: they are a little bit more hesitant with that player
Speaker 10: is just.
Speaker 2: Him.
Speaker 3: But make Pro Bowl somewhere else I'm gonna throw up,
Speaker 3: I mean Washington.
Speaker 11: Well, No, it always reminds me the story again of
Speaker 11: doctor Mackenzie and Green Bay and him failing. Larry Allen,
Speaker 11: you know, and our general manager would walk up to
Speaker 11: doctor Mackenzie and goes, see that number seventy three. He's
Speaker 11: gonna kick our ass today. That's the guy you failed
Speaker 11: on the physical right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So but yeah, that you know, we'll see those physicals.
Speaker 11: But the thing about Wilson, the ball goes towards him too,
Speaker 11: by the way, And I don't mean the I mean
Speaker 11: I mean it gets knocked in the air and he's there.
Speaker 9: It gets thrown on the ground, he's there. He's one
Speaker 9: of these guys that.
Speaker 11: Has that type of ability, that instinct right place, right time,
Speaker 11: being able to finish.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 11: You would have you would have you would have done
Speaker 11: anything to have one of those guys playing for you
Speaker 11: this year.
Speaker 3: You know, as you went through the season.
Speaker 5: You have to have a guy with instincts. I think
Speaker 5: they're drafting a linebacker. It has to be a smart
Speaker 5: one in that second level. And that's what really stood
Speaker 5: out to me whenever I had those conversations about Wilson
Speaker 5: with the coaching staff American and and they were they
Speaker 5: were very complimentary of what he brings to to that
Speaker 5: to that area of the field and you can see
Speaker 5: that in team drills as well. I mean he's not
Speaker 5: miss he's not missreading gaps, his gap disciplines wrong. I
Speaker 5: mean he's coming around the edge on fire. Yeah, whenever
Speaker 5: he does want to rush the passers. So, I mean,
Speaker 5: this is a guy I would take. I'm not concerned.
Speaker 11: One of the best players I've ever scouted in my
Speaker 11: life was a guy named Luke Keighley.
Speaker 9: And Luke, Yeah, Luke Keighley was pretty good.
Speaker 5: This is this is wild because Peyton Wilson told me
Speaker 5: yesterday Luke is his guy.
Speaker 3: Like, that's who you watched.
Speaker 9: You watch that.
Speaker 11: You watch Boston College tape when Luke Keighley played, and
Speaker 11: he made every single tackle. He was around every single ball.
Speaker 11: He was he was always in the mix.
Speaker 9: And you talk about the instincts, that's the something.
Speaker 3: And you're really good with scheme.
Speaker 11: You like when you when you evaluate always let's follow
Speaker 11: you because I like what you talk about with scheme.
Speaker 11: One of the things that these cowboy linebackers I think
Speaker 11: lacked a little of was the instinct you know it
Speaker 11: was it was I just talked about don't guess, don't
Speaker 11: end up in, don't be in c gap and you
Speaker 11: need to be an a gap.
Speaker 3: Don't be that guy.
Speaker 11: When you don't have instinct you guess you you hope,
Speaker 11: you know those things. Those are bad things to have.
Speaker 11: And they need thinctual linebackers and the instincts aren't coaching.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's something that you have, you have, It's
Speaker 7: an innate feeling of the game.
Speaker 3: There, he certainly has it.
Speaker 7: There's a couple of these linebackers that we've talked about
Speaker 7: that do and that's something they certainly are lacking.
Speaker 3: Well, they missed it with Layton vander Resh.
Speaker 2: Layton vander Resh was that instinct and heady and film study.
Speaker 3: He had all of those elements.
Speaker 2: And then when that went away, and even there were
Speaker 2: times in his career where he was looking like it
Speaker 2: wasn't there from a physicality standpoint, even in the back
Speaker 2: hap before he got hurt.
Speaker 12: He can see it.
Speaker 3: He can see it, but he just couldn't get there.
Speaker 3: My apology is that completely.
Speaker 9: My apologies for being late.
Speaker 11: But if we are we talking about linebackers, Mighty brought
Speaker 11: up Coulson.
Speaker 3: From Mission to bring him up. We talked a little
Speaker 3: bit about him yesterday on our show. I know, do
Speaker 3: you want to I mean, Colston's a big boy.
Speaker 9: This is this Now we're talking size.
Speaker 11: So yeah, since you're bringing up linebackers again, I'm sorry
Speaker 11: a little bit show well, no, but the size. I'm
Speaker 11: just talking about the size of the guy. Six three
Speaker 11: two forty seven, you know. And this guy, I mean,
Speaker 11: he he played with basically a club left hand the
Speaker 11: last three or four weeks of the.
Speaker 9: Season and it didn't affect him at all.
Speaker 11: But if you're looking for a big, powerful, thick lower
Speaker 11: body guy that can pack a punch, physical downhill player,
Speaker 11: take a peek at Junior Colson the linebacker. And I know,
Speaker 11: we say Michigan and people lose their damn mind. If
Speaker 11: you're a Cowboy fan, if you're a fan of another team,
Speaker 11: take a look at Junior Coulson from from Michigan. If
Speaker 11: they're looking for a physical inside linebacker, Atlanta fans go
Speaker 11: ahead and check out. Yeah this dock Lear fans, Dolphin fans, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: You mentioned the club.
Speaker 7: When you watch him the National Championship game against Washington,
Speaker 7: he's cleaning up and.
Speaker 3: Making every single that's crazy.
Speaker 7: And he can cover. Yeah, and he can cover. So
Speaker 7: I mean, that's a great name. Have you guys watched.
Speaker 3: We mentioned line.
Speaker 7: When in here through this thing on its head. I
Speaker 7: love what you did. You mentioned linebackers with instincts. Here's
Speaker 7: a guy that I think looks the part, has all
Speaker 7: the physical tools.
Speaker 9: That you want.
Speaker 7: I think he lacks that and that's what holds him
Speaker 7: back a little bit. And it's Curtis Jacobs, the linebacker
Speaker 7: from Penn State six one, two thirty five. Curtis Jacobs
Speaker 7: was watching him and I'm like, man, there's a lot
Speaker 7: to like here. He can drop off in coverage. He's
Speaker 7: got a really good motor. I mean the athletic skills.
Speaker 7: He's twitchy, he can go sideline to sideline. But sometimes
Speaker 7: I just think he finds himself. He's alert where he's
Speaker 7: in the right position to fall on fumble recoveries.
Speaker 3: And he's got a good punch. He's got that peanut
Speaker 3: tillman punch knock the ball out.
Speaker 7: But there's also times where you're seeing him kind of
Speaker 7: take the wrong angles. He's jumping in the wrong gap,
Speaker 7: he's kind of getting himself run out of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's interesting players.
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot to like there, and I
Speaker 7: think a linebacker coach is looking to be like man,
Speaker 7: I can do something with that size and athleticism. But
Speaker 7: you talk about the instinct thing that's a player. When
Speaker 7: you compare him with like a Peyton Wilson, or a
Speaker 7: Cedric Ray, or a Trotter, some of Colston, some of
Speaker 7: these other guys, that's what to me, I would drop
Speaker 7: him compared to those other guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you talk about Curtis Jacob Shriebol guy, I kind
Speaker 5: of see where you're coming from.
Speaker 6: And you look at his frame too.
Speaker 5: I think if you're going to get a linebacker the
Speaker 5: Cowboys specifically, you got to get one that has size.
Speaker 5: There can't be any size questions. And for me, the
Speaker 5: guy that kind of stuck out to me from the
Speaker 5: Shrine Bowl group was Darius Muissau out of U. C.
Speaker 10: L A.
Speaker 5: That was the guy that stood out for me. You
Speaker 5: talk about instincts, I mean that guy has it. He
Speaker 5: had a red zone interception.
Speaker 3: Covers, he could cover his zone awareness. Yes, I want
Speaker 3: to see him real little oppressive.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Whenever I went and what looked at his tape after
Speaker 2: he was impressed in Trine Bowl practice. He doesn't hit,
Speaker 2: he's very He's a wrap up heavy guy. He's not
Speaker 2: a powerful guy.
Speaker 9: Nice coverage.
Speaker 3: I like him in coverage.
Speaker 2: I like him whenever he's going sideline, the sideline and patrolling.
Speaker 2: I want to see him come downhill and put some physicality.
Speaker 5: My question for you then would be from a Cowboys perspective,
Speaker 5: do you want a guy who's better in coverage? Do
Speaker 5: you want that guy that can come down and really
Speaker 5: be physical and those because you could flip the moan
Speaker 5: Clark if you have that guy that can be that.
Speaker 6: But that's a question which I think is what they
Speaker 6: need to do.
Speaker 7: And he brought this up the other day with the
Speaker 7: roquewand Smith Patrick Queen development and we're talking about other teams.
Speaker 7: I think that would help the mon Clark a lot,
Speaker 7: having a guy like because this dude cleans up man.
Speaker 7: I mean, he's a guy that he's filling gas. And
Speaker 7: his ability to shed I mean, you guys talked to
Speaker 7: me about this. Then I went and watched him the
Speaker 7: other night, and I'll love watching this player. I mean
Speaker 7: his ability to get off Blass's uncanny.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And I mean when you mentioned switching demon Clark back
Speaker 10: to his regular position, I noticed towards the end of
Speaker 10: the year, even so Dan was starting to play him
Speaker 10: a little closer to the line of scrimmage, and you
Speaker 10: could see he was a little bit more decisive and
Speaker 10: was slashing and.
Speaker 12: Was a little bit more physical.
Speaker 10: I think you got a little glimpse of what he
Speaker 10: could be if he's not being asked to be you
Speaker 10: know that that middle line that I want to see
Speaker 10: him be able to be a little bit more free
Speaker 10: and play off of somebody. I think that'll make a
Speaker 10: difference as well.
Speaker 2: That's got to be a goal this offseason for this defense,
Speaker 2: right is to push him back into his natural position.
Speaker 12: He deserves that.
Speaker 3: I think he does.
Speaker 12: I think he deserves the opportunity to play.
Speaker 10: I mean, I think a lot of people obviously are like,
Speaker 10: I'm over this player, whatever.
Speaker 12: The case may be.
Speaker 10: But when guys are playing out of position, I don't
Speaker 10: know about any other position but linebacker, it changes everything
Speaker 10: philosophy wise for you and so for me. I'm hoping
Speaker 10: that he is able to give back to his original
Speaker 10: position so we can see him thrive, because I do
Speaker 10: think this this guy still has the capability to be
Speaker 10: a good player.
Speaker 5: You think you think back to the one game that
Speaker 5: he had this past year where he was super comfortable
Speaker 5: playing in position having a good time doing it. The
Speaker 5: Jacksonville preseason game when he had like nine tackles in
Speaker 5: the first half and then the second half, they're like,
Speaker 5: all right, you're a good guy.
Speaker 3: Take a jersey.
Speaker 6: It was him and to Marvin Overshot on the field
Speaker 6: to get you before he got hurt.
Speaker 12: So it's still be a tandem.
Speaker 10: Thing, dog like it's it's I mean, we we've talked
Speaker 10: about it is like the linebackers in this in the
Speaker 10: NFL that are thriving right now.
Speaker 12: There are tandems you need.
Speaker 10: You need to be able to play off someone and
Speaker 10: and and again we've talked about Marquis Bell and how
Speaker 10: well he's played and everything he's done, but he's still
Speaker 10: not a linebacker.
Speaker 3: He's still and that matters. He's happy, it's so happy
Speaker 3: to be back at safety.
Speaker 11: So there's nobody more happy for him. There's no be
Speaker 11: more happy to be the season over. Well, I shouldn't
Speaker 11: say it, because nobody wants the season to be over.
Speaker 11: But he's probably thinking, they asked me to do something
Speaker 11: that he has to be proud that he did something
Speaker 11: did not many people think he could have done play
Speaker 11: linebacker for thirteen weeks or so as an undrafted guy
Speaker 11: out of it.
Speaker 12: It's probably gonna make him.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's definitely seeing this and getting that experience I
Speaker 10: think is gonna help him when he goes.
Speaker 12: Back to safety.
Speaker 2: Well, and he'll have a different defensive coordinator to to term.
Speaker 3: Wait what Yeah, let's talk about it a second.
Speaker 2: When we come back, it's time for Twitter on the
Speaker 2: twenty and we're gonna answer some dan quinn questions. How
Speaker 2: does this affect the draft? How does this affect the defense?
Speaker 2: What are the dominoes that are gonna fall from here?
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Speaker 2: on Glad's fact always always fun. All right, first question
Speaker 2: has to deal with dan Quinn. Jeffrey says, what's the
Speaker 2: next domino to fall?
Speaker 3: For dan Quinn? As the reports came out this morning
Speaker 3: that Washington.
Speaker 2: Is hiring the Dallas Cowboys defensive coordinator as their head coach.
Speaker 3: Our reports, we haven't a Is it official official?
Speaker 6: Quinn?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty official official. Yeah, but where does the
Speaker 3: next domino fall? Jeffrey asks, what do you think.
Speaker 6: The defensive staff?
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's where that's where you look at. Right,
Speaker 5: You look at Al Harris, who has said before that
Speaker 5: he doesn't matter. If it doesn't matter if dan Quinn's
Speaker 5: coaching in Alaska, he would go follow him. So you
Speaker 5: look at that, You look at Joe Witt. If Joe
Speaker 5: Witt is not you know, uh elevated to d c
Speaker 5: here in Dallas. You would kind of look at him
Speaker 5: to leave. You look at Aid and Dirty as well,
Speaker 5: and then you look at Sharif Floyd, who's also on
Speaker 5: that defensive line staff. I mean, you would have to
Speaker 5: replace quite a bit, I feel like with with dan
Speaker 5: Quinn and what he's able to take. We'll see those
Speaker 5: dominoes kind of fall over the course of the next
Speaker 5: few days. We'll probably have more clarity on that by
Speaker 5: the time we come back for a Tuesday show. But yeah,
Speaker 5: it's that's that's where you look at immediately, and then
Speaker 5: you start worrying about, Okay, who can you bring in here?
Speaker 5: Who has some staff, has some connections that can make
Speaker 5: this defense, you know, as seamless of a transition as possible,
Speaker 5: but also bringing an element to the defense that could
Speaker 5: be a little bit different to to have better postseason success.
Speaker 7: Trayvon Diggs has already put out the campaign for Al
Speaker 7: Harris his position coach. Oh wow, Trade Montas put it
Speaker 7: out there on X he said, Al Harris for DC.
Speaker 7: So that's so he you know that that's who he's
Speaker 7: campaigning for. And I'm a big Al Harris guy.
Speaker 3: Me too.
Speaker 7: I don't want to lose him. I would rather elevate
Speaker 7: him than lose him. I think sometimes you got to
Speaker 7: take a risk in a gamble on these guys, even
Speaker 7: if you don't think they're ready.
Speaker 3: You already said it scared money, don't make money. I'm
Speaker 3: willing to do that if it crashes and burns.
Speaker 11: Yeah, the problem is crashing burns means crashing burns for
Speaker 11: Mike McCarthy too.
Speaker 3: But isn't he kind of in that situation any way?
Speaker 3: That's you know, yeah, that's what you have to think about.
Speaker 9: You know, you have to know you're absolutely right.
Speaker 11: But you know, if you're Mike McCarthy, you really have
Speaker 11: to be very mindful of what you're about to do
Speaker 11: because you need to find a way. You You probably
Speaker 11: like coaching here, yeah, you like, you know, you don't.
Speaker 11: Nobody wants to get fired. But see this is now
Speaker 11: where the and you mentioned the potential dominoes. I think
Speaker 11: a guy like Joe Witt has to weigh a couple
Speaker 11: of things here. Could he go be the d C
Speaker 11: with the commanders on a three year deal or could
Speaker 11: he work for a coach for one year? Those are
Speaker 11: the things you have to think about when you're doing
Speaker 11: these things, you know.
Speaker 9: And the one thing that dan.
Speaker 11: Quinn has as a as a bargaining chip is that
Speaker 11: he's got years and he could promise years. Nobody here
Speaker 11: could promise me years, you know, and so that makes
Speaker 11: it very difficult.
Speaker 3: I would keep it.
Speaker 11: I'd keep an eye on some outside names. I keep
Speaker 11: a name a name on outside, name on Mike Zimmer
Speaker 11: potentially here. I think Mike Zimmer would absolutely love to
Speaker 11: come back and help. And you know, and he and
Speaker 11: Mike competed it against each other in Minnesota and Green Bay.
Speaker 11: Very familiar with his game. Uh, he caused Mike some problems.
Speaker 11: Maybe maybe Mike's not Mike zimber guy, you know, but
Speaker 11: that would be a guy that I would look at.
Speaker 11: He'd keep you in your four three front. He'd bring
Speaker 11: you some accountability to your team. He's a tough minded guy.
Speaker 11: I'd keep him out of the draft room because times.
Speaker 3: He used to drive me absolutely nuts.
Speaker 11: But but but that's what Mike could bring here. Now,
Speaker 11: if it is, we'll see what happened with the staff.
Speaker 11: That probably is your first option. Guy like Martindale who's
Speaker 11: out there from the Giants, we've known him from the
Speaker 11: Ravens and then now with the Giants.
Speaker 9: That's a three four front.
Speaker 11: You know, if you're Mike McCarthy again trying to keep
Speaker 11: my job here, do I want to be changing personnel?
Speaker 11: Do I want to be having to flip a defense?
Speaker 11: You know, there's a lot of things, a lot of
Speaker 11: moving parts here that potentially could happen. The one, like
Speaker 11: I said, that makes the most sense to me would be,
Speaker 11: you know, if if Mike wants to give Al one
Speaker 11: of those guys a chance, Yeah, great, great, give him
Speaker 11: a chance. But also know that you know it's a
Speaker 11: first time d C and what we see what happened
Speaker 11: first time o C d C in Philadelphia this year. Yeah,
Speaker 11: those two folks got got let go.
Speaker 3: No question.
Speaker 5: These are the candidates that I have written down. I
Speaker 5: kind of go up as a hot board type type content.
Speaker 5: Piece of Dallas Cowboys dot Com later today mentioned Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 5: him and McCarthy have a really good relationship. Back and
Speaker 5: back when McCarthy was let go by Packers, Zimmer came
Speaker 5: out and he said, that's sad, that's a mistake. He
Speaker 5: was very critical of that decision. Ron Rivera also really
Speaker 5: tight with Mike McCarthy, but.
Speaker 3: He would help me.
Speaker 11: He would help you with the Rooney rule. Yes, you
Speaker 11: still you still have to deal with here offensive, defensive courting.
Speaker 3: He's also been very good against the run.
Speaker 2: Now he had some guys up front that you could
Speaker 2: rely on in Washington to help stop the run.
Speaker 5: And to do that, we mentioned Al Harrison, Joe Whitt Junior.
Speaker 5: Those are the in house possibilities I think. I think
Speaker 5: if you look at those two, Joe wit Junior would
Speaker 5: have to be the favorite in as far as in
Speaker 5: house candidates go, just based on you know, his experience,
Speaker 5: what he's been able to bring. And then three guys
Speaker 5: that are currently unemployed, Brandon Staley, Wink Martindale, Jack del Rio.
Speaker 5: So those are some names you could you can kind
Speaker 5: of think of. I mean, I mean I've seen on Twitter,
Speaker 5: Mike ray Weill, Mike ray Well, Mike Rabel. What you know,
Speaker 5: this is the perfect fit. I don't think it's the
Speaker 5: perfect fit for Mike.
Speaker 3: I think taking a year off.
Speaker 6: I think he is too. It makes sense kind of
Speaker 6: makes sense too, But it would.
Speaker 3: Be fun, It would be fun. It would be also
Speaker 3: three four kind of guy as well.
Speaker 7: Mike Rabel is going to add some toughness in discipline,
Speaker 7: which I think cowboy face and you're craving right now,
Speaker 7: But I wonder about that. I think some of the
Speaker 7: other names that you gave are really good. I did
Speaker 7: read from our buddy John Michoda back in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 7: Joe Who Junior was talking about his two dream jobs,
Speaker 7: one wash to be the head coach at South Florida,
Speaker 7: the others to be the defensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so maybe he pushes for that pretty hard so
Speaker 7: he can accomplish one of those dreams.
Speaker 10: Yeah. I mean also too, to add to the Joe
Speaker 10: Wit training. I mean, as far as we talk about
Speaker 10: you know, you mentioned family and things like that, I
Speaker 10: know that he has two.
Speaker 12: Lovely daughters that he definitely has mentioned.
Speaker 10: Even like Will McLay, I want to stay here for
Speaker 10: my kiddo, and those are other factors that play into
Speaker 10: some of these decisions as well, to stay put and
Speaker 10: to you know, have that stability. So whoever come in here,
Speaker 10: I hope that it translates. Well, Yeah, I'm very I
Speaker 10: don't know about y'all, but I'm a definitely kind of
Speaker 10: on edge a bit about who it's going to be
Speaker 10: because not only that, it changes how we have to
Speaker 10: look at the draft and how we have to evaluate
Speaker 10: players and stuff like that. But I'm definitely a little lights.
Speaker 3: Along those same lines.
Speaker 2: There's another question on Twitter on the twenty, Ryan asked
Speaker 2: how bad are scouts sweating trying to figure out who
Speaker 2: their next defensive coordinator is?
Speaker 11: So, Brian speaking, this is where it changes things. This
Speaker 11: is the problem, and this is the ranch. You hear
Speaker 11: me go on about continuity and not wanting to change
Speaker 11: and things like that, because it does all of a
Speaker 11: sudden if you do get a new defensive coordinator and
Speaker 11: say he is a a week Martindale who they determined,
Speaker 11: you know, he has a three four history. Now you
Speaker 11: have to determine okay, the players that I didn't feel
Speaker 11: like during the year. I have to go back and
Speaker 11: reevaluate guys that I that you know, say you go
Speaker 11: to a school and there's seven players for more defensive players,
Speaker 11: but they play a three four front, so I can't
Speaker 11: really look and I'm looking at the corner and I'm
Speaker 11: looking at another a linebacker. I'm not looking at the
Speaker 11: defensive line or you know, because that's they don't fit
Speaker 11: what we're our scheme is so, but there's nowadays teams
Speaker 11: guys who've done it really job of playing three four front,
Speaker 11: four three front, you know, kind of mixing the two together.
Speaker 11: I know for a fact Mike Zimmer, I'll never forget
Speaker 11: Bill Parcells told him, he goes, you could run this
Speaker 11: four to three defense one more year, but next year
Speaker 11: you're calling it a four to three excuse me, a
Speaker 11: three four four. Yeah, And Mike did, and he went
Speaker 11: top ten, top ten, you know, and never had called
Speaker 11: a three four defense in his life. So those are
Speaker 11: the types of things these guys can adapt. But for
Speaker 11: a scouts, it's a little bit of a damn. I
Speaker 11: got to pull back all my notes that I had
Speaker 11: that I said, no, not for us, not for us,
Speaker 11: not for us, And then now it's a it's a
Speaker 11: scramble to kind of get the find of those guys.
Speaker 5: Before I talked to Will McLay yesterday and mobile I
Speaker 5: was curious to see how the Scouting Department had approached
Speaker 5: twenty twenty and Mike McCarthy coming in and having to
Speaker 5: deal with that kind of change regime, because that happened
Speaker 5: while they were in the middle of this similar process
Speaker 5: that happened earlier in the cycle, obviously, but how does
Speaker 5: how does that kind of factor into a potential DC change?
Speaker 6: He had said at that.
Speaker 5: Time, there's an organizational structure to what they do as
Speaker 5: aouting department, what they do as a front office. So
Speaker 5: whenever I asked him yesterday, I was like, does that
Speaker 5: kind of play into a potential defensive coordinator change?
Speaker 6: This is the quote that he gave.
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, when you're looking for players,
Speaker 5: you're looking for the biggest, strongest, fastest, most athletic guys
Speaker 5: and seeing how they fit into our scheme, whatever that
Speaker 5: scheme is. We've got to evaluate the players and if
Speaker 5: that scheme changes at any point in time, you still
Speaker 5: have that value as to what guys are and how
Speaker 5: they could potentially fit. And I said, does that kind
Speaker 5: of link back to that organizational structure.
Speaker 6: He's like, yes, absolutely, it does.
Speaker 5: So I really don't think there's going to be a
Speaker 5: major change as far as scouting department goes, because they
Speaker 5: look at all these guys anywhere, you know, they know, okay,
Speaker 5: this is a three to four guy that I think
Speaker 5: this guy would better fitting a four, two, five, so
Speaker 5: on and so forth. So whenever a guy comes in,
Speaker 5: they just kind of plug in place. I mean, it's
Speaker 5: kind of the beauty of the scouting department is you
Speaker 5: don't really have to be so scheme focused. You can
Speaker 5: kind of be as wide open as you want to
Speaker 5: be with it, and you just kind of have different
Speaker 5: pieces that could fit differently. I think what makes it
Speaker 5: interesting for us here on this draft show is a
Speaker 5: different defensive coordinator bringing in a different scheme.
Speaker 6: We got to look at.
Speaker 5: Different guys holy fit with that. These guys they already
Speaker 5: have the whole thing mapped out. You know, they're much
Speaker 5: ahead further than all of us even dream about being.
Speaker 5: So I really don't think there's gonna be a ton
Speaker 5: that goes into it, but there's obviously gonna have to
Speaker 5: be some intention and some purpose behind it.
Speaker 2: Having the cornerstone of Will McLay in that scouting department
Speaker 2: that helps with that continent about question.
Speaker 3: And we've talked about it in this show before.
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn guys, Oh he's a dan Quinn guy, long
Speaker 2: lanky corner.
Speaker 3: Oh he's a speed edge rusher.
Speaker 2: These guys on the interior, that that'll change, that sort
Speaker 2: of conversation will change. But like you're saying it's not
Speaker 2: going to change a whole lot over there. I did
Speaker 2: have a conversation yesterday before the news kind of came
Speaker 2: down with a couple individuals across the building and I
Speaker 2: asked them just kind of dan Quinn.
Speaker 3: I was like, how much does he helped you guys in
Speaker 3: the past, And he said The response I got was
Speaker 3: he can evaluate.
Speaker 2: He can A lot of coaches can aren't asked to
Speaker 2: do it and aren't really great at it. He was saying,
Speaker 2: one thing we'll miss is the fact that he can
Speaker 2: evaluate players at the top of the level. And if
Speaker 2: that's the case, you're gonna missed that and you might
Speaker 2: need a guy like that to come in and fill
Speaker 2: that void. And then maybe that's the veteran decision making
Speaker 2: process that you go through.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think you saw that. And then the impact
Speaker 12: of the draft.
Speaker 10: Obviously he's been his input, but also to he can
Speaker 10: clearly evaluate, because if you look at some of the
Speaker 10: defensive players that are on this team, they they got
Speaker 10: better with him here.
Speaker 12: They improved with him here.
Speaker 10: I mean even if Jay ron Kurst that you brought in,
Speaker 10: say what you want to say, but his first two
Speaker 10: years here, this was someone that people considered a journeyman
Speaker 10: and you got special, fantastic.
Speaker 12: Play out of him.
Speaker 10: Anthony Brown before he left, I felt like he had
Speaker 10: some of his best.
Speaker 12: Years when dan Quinn got here. Yeah, dron Blant, I
Speaker 12: think that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, when you talk about evaluating, yeah, for sure, he
Speaker 10: clearly has it.
Speaker 12: Even looking at Marquis Beell.
Speaker 13: He.
Speaker 6: Bring up Miah Yah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, micas Well got what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: He put Mike at edge, you know.
Speaker 11: And and I would like to challenge anybody to watch
Speaker 11: Penn State tape and tell me that he was going to.
Speaker 10: Get even seeing Tank some three tech things, somebody stay,
Speaker 10: he's seen.
Speaker 9: Well, that's the thing I think that.
Speaker 11: I think that Will, you know, when you start to
Speaker 11: talk about Dan, I think Will really respected Dan's ability
Speaker 11: to go out there, roll up his sleeves and go
Speaker 11: shoulder to shoulder with the scouts and work and be
Speaker 11: a you know, and being in Tuscaloosa and being Lexington, Kentucky.
Speaker 3: And we saw him in Iowa last Yeah.
Speaker 11: I mean I mean Dan is like, Okay, give me
Speaker 11: a list and tell me when.
Speaker 9: These pro days we go work with these Yeah, And
Speaker 9: there's a lot.
Speaker 11: Of times where these coaches they go and they just don't.
Speaker 11: They don't want to be They just don't want to
Speaker 11: be a part of it. They just really don't. The
Speaker 11: one the best ones I've ever been around, like a
Speaker 11: Bill Parcells, they want to be in there, they want
Speaker 11: to be talking about these guys. You know, it makes
Speaker 11: your team better that way, no doubt.
Speaker 7: And he clearly had a plan for a guy like Overshown, right, Yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean so, I mean you mentioned the continuity. I
Speaker 7: think that's why I think at Joe whit Junior will
Speaker 7: probably be the leader for this job. But I think
Speaker 7: that what he deserves a lot of credit for for here.
Speaker 7: And we talk about scheme, you talk about what you know,
Speaker 7: does a defensive conader want to do? The best coaches,
Speaker 7: I'm going to figure out how to maximize my talent
Speaker 7: with what I've got currently right with these players. Let
Speaker 7: me find a way to put up this player in
Speaker 7: a position to succeed. Dan Quinn did that You mentioned
Speaker 7: a guy like Mike Zimmer, you know, and you know
Speaker 7: this because you were living this in this building.
Speaker 3: Bill Parcells is like, let's go to a three four.
Speaker 7: You got undersized players, you got Dat and Winn, you
Speaker 7: got next to Cokeley you know, and what are they doing.
Speaker 7: They got the number one overall defense of a five
Speaker 7: and eleven team. That's what makes these great defensive coordinator specialists.
Speaker 7: Even if I don't have quote unquote my guys, I'm
Speaker 7: going to find a way to excel with the talent
Speaker 7: that I currently have. And as long as you got
Speaker 7: good football players, which I think is what this draft
Speaker 7: process is all about, you find a way to make
Speaker 7: this this team.
Speaker 11: Will always have good football players because the scouts do
Speaker 11: a great job here, They really really do. It was
Speaker 11: a little bit of a stumble. We'll see what happens
Speaker 11: with this last class. But this class. You never have
Speaker 11: to worry about this group tanking, Yeah, because they will
Speaker 11: always if they as long as they let them pick players,
Speaker 11: they will find players.
Speaker 9: This group will do that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, the talent is there.
Speaker 10: But when we're talking about who's going to be the
Speaker 10: new defense as a coordinator, the scheme is what is
Speaker 10: whooped yo tail?
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a good point.
Speaker 12: So that's what I'm and you're gonna.
Speaker 3: See that scheme twice a year now in Washington. You
Speaker 3: will see it across the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be how about that four times a year?
Speaker 2: You're gonna see Mike McCarthy versus one of his former coordinators.
Speaker 2: You can see him Againstkellen Moore twice a year, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna see him against Dan Quinn twice a year.
Speaker 3: Interesting couple of games coming up this year. I do
Speaker 3: want to fit.
Speaker 2: In a draft specific question, James Jackson asked who would
Speaker 2: be the bigger impact in Dallas if he was taken
Speaker 2: in the first round. Jackson, Powers Johnson from Oregon center
Speaker 2: or Byron Murphy, the second defensive lineman interior defensive lineman
Speaker 2: out of Texas.
Speaker 3: He's scared.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is a fun one. I had saw a
Speaker 6: seen that reply.
Speaker 5: Whenever I saw that you tweeted that out, and I
Speaker 5: was like, I knew he's gonna bring this one up.
Speaker 5: I knew it for me, it's gonna be Powers Johnson.
Speaker 5: I think I think he's a guy that can be
Speaker 5: a multi year starter at center from day one and
Speaker 5: be really efficient and really good at it. I love
Speaker 5: Byron Murphy. I think he could be awesome as a
Speaker 5: defensive tackle. I think you need a guy with a
Speaker 5: little bit more size if you're looking at the Dallas defense.
Speaker 5: But I still think Bayern Murphy is a guy that
Speaker 5: will be a potential All Pro one day. I mean
Speaker 5: it's it's like it's it's but picking between two angels here.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is but is Jackson powers Johnson going
Speaker 2: to be an All Pro one day?
Speaker 5: I think he has that potential. I'm saying, like, both
Speaker 5: of these guys had that potential. Both of these guys
Speaker 5: are young, they're both coming out early. You can't go
Speaker 5: wrong with either of those picks. But based on what
Speaker 5: Dallas needs today, I'm taking Jackson.
Speaker 11: Give me a position that that would make you think
Speaker 11: differently over the center, yeah, okay, give.
Speaker 6: Me a position, yeah, okay, give me a leit linebacker.
Speaker 6: But there's this class. That's not one in this class.
Speaker 11: Okay, so there's not You don't have a linebacker that's
Speaker 11: that you would take that's better than the center.
Speaker 3: How about an offensive tackle?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's the question too. If he slips to
Speaker 5: twenty four, do you take a tackle or do you
Speaker 5: take the center? And I think there's a couple of
Speaker 5: interesting things you run into there. One, if you don't
Speaker 5: take a tackle in the first round, or you're not
Speaker 5: going to get a good one at fifty six or past.
Speaker 6: So, like if you need a tackle in this draft.
Speaker 6: You got to get it at twenty four.
Speaker 2: You're already on the edge at twenty four of exact
Speaker 2: guys exactly.
Speaker 5: But if you wait on taking the center, then you
Speaker 5: have an opportunity to take a Zach Fraser or to
Speaker 5: take a Bowl Lemmur or et Centric Vampiing Brander later on. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you'd have to develop those guys a little bit, but
Speaker 5: you still have kind of options in house with TJ. Bass, Brockoffman,
Speaker 5: et cetera, that you can work at center where it's tackle.
Speaker 5: I think there's more of a need there. It'd be interesting,
Speaker 5: It's an interesting conversation that'd be curious to know the
Speaker 5: people across the hall think about it.
Speaker 12: You got some I agree with you.
Speaker 10: No, I was just gonna say I agree that I
Speaker 10: think that the interior I can't pull you off the center.
Speaker 12: I think the interior depth is better.
Speaker 10: It's it's it's better than what the tackle depth is
Speaker 10: later in the in the rounds or whatever. We already
Speaker 10: talked about some of the guys we even saw at
Speaker 10: the Shrine Bowl and some of what they were able
Speaker 10: to do. But the center position is I'm not swaying
Speaker 10: on that. I'm sorry, you're.
Speaker 9: Not going to move.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't. The center position is very.
Speaker 12: Very I feel very strongly about it right.
Speaker 7: Now, and I think that he's Jackson power. Johnson think
Speaker 7: is a special player. I think for me, the one
Speaker 7: that I would kind of maybe defensive end. I still
Speaker 7: think that might be a sneaky need for this football, Tay.
Speaker 7: And if you have somebody that slides down to you
Speaker 7: that we are not expecting, whether it is a Jared
Speaker 7: Verse or a Chop Robinson or a lot too, maybe
Speaker 7: it's because of medical Those are players I would look
Speaker 7: at and say, darn they're available at twenty four. That's
Speaker 7: probably going to be the best player on my board.
Speaker 12: I'm pulling the trigger, and it's important.
Speaker 10: I think when you talk about edge, I think this
Speaker 10: past year you looked at the Cowboys and you said, okay, well,
Speaker 10: and also too with dan Quinn Leman, like there's some
Speaker 10: guys that came here specifically for him play defense, like
Speaker 10: a Dante Fowler and those guys, I am very curious
Speaker 10: to see how they attack edge because I do think
Speaker 10: it's about time to maybe get some production there outside
Speaker 10: of the gentlemen that have been doing what they do well.
Speaker 3: And also, are you retaining Dorince Armstrong.
Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying, That's what I feels about that.
Speaker 5: Time of like, it's tough for me to justify the
Speaker 5: depth at tackle position here in this draft to take
Speaker 5: anything else, okay.
Speaker 7: Because you're gonna get such a run in the first
Speaker 7: round on tak exactly. And here's what if a Guidon.
Speaker 3: Is there and the Cowboys say, hey, we like this.
Speaker 12: Guy, stop playing with me.
Speaker 3: I'm down for it.
Speaker 7: I mean, if they evaluate an office to tackle, I
Speaker 7: don't think anybody should be doubting their vision for that point.
Speaker 2: Morgan out of Arizona, guiding out of Oklahoma, Jackson Powers,
Speaker 2: Johnson out.
Speaker 3: Of Oregon are all on the board of twenty four?
Speaker 3: Who you taking? I'm taking Jack's powers, Johns Okay, so
Speaker 3: you're staying with center?
Speaker 9: Center?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Center?
Speaker 3: Who would you still stay there? Center? Staying there?
Speaker 12: Yeah? I mean I think this.
Speaker 7: Is all of them except for baby Poalty.
Speaker 3: I think, yes, all of them. Yeah, Well, hold up,
Speaker 3: there's a different. That's a different. Here's the deal. Grand
Speaker 3: Barton's not how positive he is right now.
Speaker 7: He has Johnson is getting all this love and and
Speaker 7: and he deserves it, and I think the position flex
Speaker 7: is something that's really intriguing to me.
Speaker 9: Who's the better athlete?
Speaker 3: There's power, Johnson's a better athlete than Graham Barton.
Speaker 9: I think powers Johnson's stronger.
Speaker 11: I think Barton's a better app played left to see
Speaker 11: I think, I don't think.
Speaker 9: I don't think. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he can think got a little
Speaker 3: bit more nasty.
Speaker 12: Why isn't Joe getting any love here?
Speaker 3: Oh no, Joe, I just don't think Joe sniff in your.
Speaker 2: To make sense talking about Williams, you need to go
Speaker 2: talk to Dan quinn at too.
Speaker 7: Otherwise, Hell yeah, if you want to move up and
Speaker 7: you'll get Joe, do that.
Speaker 10: If there is a run, if there is a run,
Speaker 10: do you even consider because again we're talking about tackle,
Speaker 10: Hey chance steal came back? Yeah, do you even if
Speaker 10: the board falls and everybody's gone?
Speaker 12: Do you even look at it? Amarus Mims, because he does.
Speaker 10: They think he has They think he has flexed to
Speaker 10: be he does right.
Speaker 12: Side and left.
Speaker 7: He just doesn't have a great body of work. He
Speaker 7: just hasn't played a lot of it. To look at
Speaker 7: his athleticism whole, I mean the sky's the limit for
Speaker 7: this kid into what you want?
Speaker 9: What do you got to sell it?
Speaker 10: No, I mean I mean the size of Yeah, I
Speaker 10: mean the size is crazy.
Speaker 12: I really like his initial punch.
Speaker 10: Yes, I was looking at him because I was trying
Speaker 10: to figure out, like, why is this punch so strong?
Speaker 10: I will say he does have times where I don't
Speaker 10: know if this is what he's been taught to do
Speaker 10: or whatever, but he punches with two hands. Sometimes he's
Speaker 10: trying to put people on their ass. He's effective when
Speaker 10: pulling the super athletic in space. Like you guys said,
Speaker 10: he drives off the ball with strength. He hasn't played
Speaker 10: He hasn't played a ton, you know, like we talked about.
Speaker 12: But his best year was with in twenty two.
Speaker 10: I felt like he put together some good some good
Speaker 10: games there quicksetter with fantastic foot quickness. Laterally, I think
Speaker 10: he can work on this awareness. But I think he
Speaker 10: has a solid, solid recovery and can disengage.
Speaker 12: He can help in space too. He can help out
Speaker 12: his buddy, I Yo.
Speaker 10: I want him to be a little stronger finished and
Speaker 10: blocks in the run game. And but his hand placement
Speaker 10: and stuff is there, Like the the basics of what
Speaker 10: you're looking for from this.
Speaker 12: Position is there.
Speaker 10: It just depends on what people decide. I mean, he
Speaker 10: really showed up. He showed up at the right time.
Speaker 10: Going to show up and say show you can play
Speaker 10: the playoffs is probably the right time.
Speaker 12: So, I mean, I know a lot of people like
Speaker 12: I'm scared his gay boy.
Speaker 10: Draws in the playoffs. Let's let's take a look at
Speaker 10: the player. See and if it and are you a
Speaker 10: coach or.
Speaker 12: Are you not all right?
Speaker 14: That is?
Speaker 6: I suffer from comparison syndrome.
Speaker 9: You're gonna be the kid that that the giants have.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no, no no. I suffer from comparison syndrome.
Speaker 5: Whenever I look at somebody and I know this is
Speaker 5: a great somebody.
Speaker 6: That I have in my hand right here, I see another.
Speaker 5: But there's a greater somebody that I feel like is
Speaker 5: the same product of this realm, and that is JC
Speaker 5: Latham for me, Like if I'm looking at h Marus Mis,
Speaker 5: that's a better version of a Marius is.
Speaker 7: A right tackle for sure, Yeah, and that's you probably
Speaker 7: have a little bit more versus whims I think can
Speaker 7: be a left tackle. I JC Latham is the guy
Speaker 7: we haven't talked about a lot because I don't think
Speaker 7: he's making it to twenty four. But you talk about
Speaker 7: another dude who's violent.
Speaker 11: If he's a right tackle, only if if scouts seem
Speaker 11: the same way you maybe could that be a slide.
Speaker 7: I could be, But then again, what are you gonna
Speaker 7: do if you're the Cowboys? Because belay locked into Terrence Steele.
Speaker 7: I mean it's likely that Lathan for me would be
Speaker 7: we talk about some depth, and this is a guy
Speaker 7: that I know you've written about and he's here in
Speaker 7: Frisco right now for the Shrine Bowl. Then that does
Speaker 7: intrigue me. South Dakota State's Garrett Greenfield, all right, that's
Speaker 7: another big boy talking about fifth.
Speaker 3: Round grade is exactly what I wrote down.
Speaker 7: So that's a guy you talk about depth if you
Speaker 7: don't attack tackle early. But I think he projects to
Speaker 7: me as an ideal backup swing tackle that can possibly
Speaker 7: be a starter for you because he's played the first
Speaker 7: two years he played on the right side, then moved
Speaker 7: over to the left side.
Speaker 3: But powerful punch.
Speaker 7: I mean there are some times he is literally getting
Speaker 7: one hand on an edge and he is dropping to
Speaker 7: the ground. I mean, the dude is violent and strong,
Speaker 7: and to me, the Tanda blocks you're good. He's got
Speaker 7: really long arms. He's an intriguing late day three prospect
Speaker 7: for me. Garrett Greenfield offensive tackle for something. If you're
Speaker 7: looking at him though, as as a potential swing and.
Speaker 3: A possible starter.
Speaker 2: Later in his career, you may have to go higher
Speaker 2: than the fifth because those are so valuable and these
Speaker 2: teams value these.
Speaker 3: These tackles so much higher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that may be a fourth round guy that
Speaker 2: you just have to take a pick on.
Speaker 9: Can I interest you in a corner?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Throw it at it.
Speaker 12: I'm interested. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Kid.
Speaker 11: Mitchell from Toledo C one, C one, Okay, Mitchell's number
Speaker 11: two for me.
Speaker 6: It's it's roight there. It is right there. I'll give
Speaker 6: you that. It is right there.
Speaker 5: But man, he had an awesome week. He had a
Speaker 5: phenomenal week inmobile tape's good too. Gosh, man, he's funn
Speaker 5: He's a technician. He's not the biggest in the world.
Speaker 5: He doesn't have the longest arms in the world, but
Speaker 5: he's he has that natural corner frame sure, and he
Speaker 5: is a technician. And it's beautiful to see that come
Speaker 5: out of Toledo.
Speaker 3: That's a weak quarterback class.
Speaker 9: Corner corner man, I've seen some good ones.
Speaker 3: There's some good ones.
Speaker 11: Now there's some guys that are kind of slightly built,
Speaker 11: you know what I mean, slight like you know, one
Speaker 11: seventy eight kind of guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one eighties. You know.
Speaker 9: I'll tell you what. I watched a kid the other night.
Speaker 9: I don't know if you guys.
Speaker 3: Have done this.
Speaker 11: Oh where'd I go? Where'd my guy go? The Penn
Speaker 11: State corner?
Speaker 14: H King?
Speaker 6: Kaylyn King King?
Speaker 3: Yeah, King's interesting.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean he's five eleven, one ninety one. This
Speaker 11: guy long arms though, Yeah, yeah, he is a Kaylen King.
Speaker 11: If you haven't seen him, take take a peek in him.
Speaker 11: He where's number four for Penn State. But I get
Speaker 11: back to it though, could it could a corner pull
Speaker 11: you off a tackle?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 9: Could a corner pull you off the center? Could a
Speaker 9: corner pull you off an edge?
Speaker 3: Yes? Okay, he could pull me off an edge?
Speaker 11: Yeah, I see what you guys are doing, which corner
Speaker 11: Like you guys, you guys are looking for a plug
Speaker 11: and play. Offensive alignment is what you're looking for. Yeah,
Speaker 11: that's exactly what I think, because you know that that
Speaker 11: this team knows how to draft plug and play line right.
Speaker 7: But I also think the value matches kind of where
Speaker 7: they're drafting right now. But to your point, if a
Speaker 7: Mitchell slid and I put this in my notes, you
Speaker 7: guys call me crazy.
Speaker 3: He reminds me to Ron Blant, you're crazy. I think they're.
Speaker 7: Similarly in both of their games with the way that
Speaker 7: they attack the football and and their build a little
Speaker 7: bit and the way that they move. I think I
Speaker 7: was like Mitch Dang, there's something about him drawn Bland
Speaker 7: kind of stands out.
Speaker 11: Okay, Mitchell uh from Toledo or Murphy Texas defensive tackle.
Speaker 6: M Oh, that's that's what I'm taking.
Speaker 3: You're taking.
Speaker 7: I'm taking Murphy to me, I think by Murphy's only
Speaker 7: first round defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: I think he goes tough. I think Newton Murphy. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't put the first round Murphy.
Speaker 6: I was the first round.
Speaker 2: I do like Sweat a lot as like a like
Speaker 2: a back in first round guy.
Speaker 11: But Rake in half yesterday was that Arkansas in Arkansasmer, that's.
Speaker 9: A tough one.
Speaker 3: That was Sweat who did that limber? Though?
Speaker 7: Man, he fights and he competes his rear off and
Speaker 7: he's a little smaller. He's got some limitations, but he's
Speaker 7: got natural leverage for me, like Bowlimmers till he plays
Speaker 7: a three hundred and sixty two pound guys, he sweat
Speaker 7: pretty well.
Speaker 6: What's unfortunate about it?
Speaker 5: On Tuesday whatever day one to practice was he puts
Speaker 5: sweat in the ground.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's the only one.
Speaker 3: We didn't see that. Yeah, that Murphy.
Speaker 6: You see Limmer on his backside. It's just that's tough.
Speaker 12: I got a safety that's interesting me.
Speaker 10: Right now?
Speaker 2: Can we do it after the we can let's take
Speaker 2: our second break. We're going to continue this conversation.
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Speaker 2: Central time to break down the final senior bull practice,
Speaker 2: get the film in, kind of break that down as well,
Speaker 2: and then of course take a deep dive into the
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl and what happens tonight. We've got Zach Wilchuck,
Speaker 2: Nick Harris, Brian brought us Ayasha Morrison.
Speaker 3: I'm Kyle Yeomans. All right, Ayisha, you talked about a safety.
Speaker 3: I want to hear about the safety you wanted to
Speaker 3: bring up.
Speaker 10: All right, So we last year we realized, like, man,
Speaker 10: Maryland has a nice little.
Speaker 12: Program up there.
Speaker 3: They do a nice shot.
Speaker 12: They're doing up there. They got some tough guys. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 12: You know where I'm going with this?
Speaker 10: Was this is it bo Bo Brady Bo Brady?
Speaker 6: Okay, it's I watched it.
Speaker 12: It is a dope name. But when I watched him,
Speaker 12: I feel like he gives me those.
Speaker 10: Brian Branch vibes from last year where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 10: this guy can play close to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 10: He's heady, he's rangy, he has great instincts. I like
Speaker 10: his reading reaction time. He's not afraid to be a
Speaker 10: blitzer either. I really he's he's stopped versus the run.
Speaker 10: And I also feel like his I want people worry about.
Speaker 3: His size a little bit Branch too.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but he's so tough.
Speaker 10: He's a little bit of a looney tune and I
Speaker 10: like that about him. What do you think about the
Speaker 10: player I got Brian Branch vised when I watched him
Speaker 10: the first time.
Speaker 12: You just see him everywhere and you like, who is
Speaker 12: this guy?
Speaker 3: One thing I remember about Branch was the corner of
Speaker 3: safety flex.
Speaker 10: Maybe again, I wonder if people worry about him not
Speaker 10: being like he's he's twitchy, but he's.
Speaker 12: Not super big. What did he weigh in at and stuff?
Speaker 5: I don't have that, but I would keep him at
Speaker 5: safety two ten.
Speaker 6: I would keep big enafety. It is big enough.
Speaker 5: I would keep him at safety just because of his instincts.
Speaker 12: And I think Angey too.
Speaker 5: He's long, super rangey, super long. Talking to one of
Speaker 5: the dB coaches that on the team he's on either
Speaker 5: National American, I forget.
Speaker 6: They said.
Speaker 5: I said, of all the DB's, who's the ones that's
Speaker 5: impressing you the most off the field, And it was
Speaker 5: Bob Brady talk about it. So he's he's impressing them.
Speaker 5: He's impressing teams formal interviews as well. And this is
Speaker 5: a really smart player. And you see that in the
Speaker 5: run game during team drills yesterday, there was a there
Speaker 5: was an opportunity where he was identifying a run play
Speaker 5: pre snap and already getting a head start, and he
Speaker 5: blew up a gap and would have had a two
Speaker 5: to three yard loss tackle for loss on that play.
Speaker 5: This is I really like Bo Brady when it comes
Speaker 5: to instincts and being able to have that range both
Speaker 5: in the past game but in the run game as well.
Speaker 6: This is a guy I really like.
Speaker 9: To Maryland, he impressed me.
Speaker 15: This coach.
Speaker 10: They're well coached up there in Maryland. I think we
Speaker 10: got to know that program. We got to give that
Speaker 10: program some credit because they've they've been pushing out some
Speaker 10: good dbs. As far as him, I definitely feel like
Speaker 10: this might be one of the only safeties I've seen
Speaker 10: so far that I think could maybe go late first
Speaker 10: if if people somebody decided to just because of what
Speaker 10: he does in the run game too, Doug, I.
Speaker 12: Mean, you just can't. You can't.
Speaker 10: And he also is effective as a blitzer, so you're getting.
Speaker 12: So much from him.
Speaker 10: I'm curious to see how much insight because.
Speaker 5: I love Cameron Kitchen too. If we're talking late first round, guys,
Speaker 5: I still is good. I'm not completely sold on him
Speaker 5: being a first rounderor just yet. I would love to
Speaker 5: see him move a little bit more at combine. But Matt,
Speaker 5: I love his tape. It's one of the most fun takes.
Speaker 3: And that's interested in Jaden Hicks from Washington State. I
Speaker 3: haven't watched him.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Jayden Hicks about him. Yeah, these are one of
Speaker 11: those players that's always around the ball. You guys need
Speaker 11: to watch this cat number twenty five at Washington State.
Speaker 11: He's six three's two hundred and ten pounds.
Speaker 9: He makes a ton.
Speaker 11: Of plays where he's at the right place, right time, angles, adjustment, strong,
Speaker 11: aggressive tackler. He's a physical player in every sense of
Speaker 11: the word. He does it back down from any challenges.
Speaker 11: He'll carry receivers that are faster than him out of
Speaker 11: the slot. He does a great job of the physical
Speaker 11: skills to make stops. He tracks the ball as a defender.
Speaker 11: He gets his eyes around to make plays. He's he
Speaker 11: has no problem matching up with bigger receivers or tight ends.
Speaker 9: It's a high effort. You could tell the game is
Speaker 9: important to.
Speaker 3: Him by the way he plays.
Speaker 11: You can watch his tape, but give Jayden Hicks six
Speaker 11: three two ten pounds, Washington State number twenty five. Give
Speaker 11: him a peak if you can in your scouting world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna stay in the secondary. I wanted to
Speaker 5: come back with a full report on Chris Abrams Strain
Speaker 5: after this past week. Was not the biggest fan of
Speaker 5: his as far as tape goes. It was more so
Speaker 5: on the top of route.
Speaker 9: He played better.
Speaker 6: He played awesome yesterday.
Speaker 9: There we go.
Speaker 6: I told Kyle this on.
Speaker 3: The phone and pounds though.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's physical. He plays so much more bigger
Speaker 6: than that.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 5: There's a couple of clips on my Twitter IFO take
Speaker 5: take a look at it.
Speaker 3: He had.
Speaker 5: He had a couple of really good reps yesterday. But
Speaker 5: I told this to Kyle on the phone yesterday. If
Speaker 5: he can keep everything in front of him, yeah.
Speaker 3: I like him.
Speaker 5: He's physical, he's he's good with his with his feet
Speaker 5: work once he has to turn his hips and go
Speaker 5: behind him. Yeah, he's a liability, so I think it
Speaker 5: would take a little bit of development in that range.
Speaker 5: That's why I kind of have him as an early
Speaker 5: day three guy. That's what I put my initial grade
Speaker 5: on him. I'm gonna have to go back now after
Speaker 5: Senior Bowl and kind of reevaluate everything. But I liked
Speaker 5: what I saw from him after not really loving his
Speaker 5: tape going into Senior.
Speaker 3: He's got a couple of corners you can work on. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Is that teachable though? Like flexible hips. I know we've
Speaker 3: talked about it a lot. That's mom and Dad.
Speaker 9: I feel like that's what you gotta get to, right,
Speaker 9: Mom and Dad.
Speaker 11: You can train for stuff like that and trying and
Speaker 11: work on you know, sometimes some guys are tight that.
Speaker 12: Way, but they're impressing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they got that edge that nice didn't have
Speaker 3: a great week.
Speaker 12: He didn't have a good week.
Speaker 5: I heard question news as well about Cody Schrader, just
Speaker 5: as far as like evaluations from scouts and things throughout
Speaker 5: the NFL.
Speaker 6: So it was a tough It's been a tough.
Speaker 3: David was looking good Kentucky.
Speaker 5: He looked good. He looked really good. I'm not I'm
Speaker 5: not dumping Schraders just yet. I think he's he could
Speaker 5: still be a productive just no, no, no, no, I don't
Speaker 5: think Okay, I don't think so.
Speaker 6: I think it's just a tough week.
Speaker 5: And Okay, Xavier Lagette out of South Carolina that they
Speaker 5: are we're talking a little bit more terminal. He came
Speaker 5: in two inches shorter than expect did, had a really
Speaker 5: rough first day, had a couple of drops. He rebounded
Speaker 5: yesterday with a strong day. I'm not giving up on
Speaker 5: him just yet because I think his his long speed
Speaker 5: is really impressive. Yeah, but I I there's a there's
Speaker 5: a he's dropped. He's dropped considerably shorter than.
Speaker 3: We thought too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he came in two inches shorter than than expected.
Speaker 5: He was supposed to be about six to three came
Speaker 5: in about six foot and five eighths.
Speaker 6: I think is what it what it came in, so.
Speaker 9: Thanks South Carolina.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're talking about him as like a Debo type
Speaker 5: weapon because he has these thick thighs and he has
Speaker 5: this long speed. It's it's an interesting comparison.
Speaker 9: Based on those Western Kentucky.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Malachi Corley as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little a little bit shorter on that end,
Speaker 5: but still yeah, very very much same traits.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: I think you look at the past couple of drafts,
Speaker 5: teams are trying to find that versatile weapon.
Speaker 6: Use like Debo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, and you you you look at you look
Speaker 5: at how teams start to evaluate based on certain players
Speaker 5: that are popping in the NFL, and it's it's a
Speaker 5: fascinating case study.
Speaker 2: And we were talking in that last segment about guys
Speaker 2: st and out mid round guys that you're talking about
Speaker 2: the unteachable traits and things like that.
Speaker 3: One of the more viral clips from the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2: This past during the Wednesday practice was offensive guard I'm
Speaker 2: already forgetting his name, Christian Haynes from Yukon getting his
Speaker 2: helmet ripped off, but he stayed in the rep and
Speaker 2: he finished through. I'm interested to hear what you thought
Speaker 2: about him.
Speaker 3: You filmed it you filmed it.
Speaker 2: Six two twenty pounds is what he's measured at Yukon.
Speaker 2: Players are not great competition, but in terms of what
Speaker 2: I've seen just in limited tape, I like his footwork.
Speaker 3: He has light feet for a three hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: pound ear over.
Speaker 5: This was one of the offensive linemen that I watched
Speaker 5: first whenever I started to crack down. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: start focusing really on draft stuff in like October. Actually,
Speaker 5: I think I mentioned it on the g Bag Show.
Speaker 6: At least once.
Speaker 3: Christian Hayes.
Speaker 5: I like Christian Hanes, I do I and I like
Speaker 5: that they're using that versatility with him and giving him
Speaker 5: a few center reps this week in Mobile.
Speaker 6: He looks natural doing it.
Speaker 5: I think there's gonna have to be a little bit
Speaker 5: more mechanic stuff as far as uh snapping the ball goes,
Speaker 5: but I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 6: He looked awesome this week. He's got a great base.
Speaker 6: He's he's got like a thick mid mid section, but
Speaker 6: it works. It works. It's that guard thickness that you
Speaker 6: love to see in the interior. I do too.
Speaker 5: I want my interior guys to have that thick gut.
Speaker 5: I want them to have a waterburger once or twice
Speaker 5: a week.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: I ibper big gut too. Yeah, that's that's the state.
Speaker 2: That's the man I love bigger than than Haines is
Speaker 2: because from Kansas State is six foot four, three thirty five.
Speaker 7: And he's I mean, he's trying to pull the trifect
Speaker 7: out there. We're at guard, tackle and center. During his
Speaker 7: time at Case Stage Warsation Flex too, he's.
Speaker 3: Had like two thousand snaps too. He plays. I love.
Speaker 5: I hated that we couldn't see him this weekend Mobile
Speaker 5: that that hurt my hurt my soul.
Speaker 10: But it hurt me last year coming out kid, he's.
Speaker 3: Not Uh, there's plenty plenty to talk about him. We'll
Speaker 3: talk about him tomorrow. How about that, Well, we'll give
Speaker 3: a Hooper b b rundown.
Speaker 10: Yes, and these gentlemen at the Shrine Bowl because there
Speaker 10: are some sleeper guards. Oh I like this in this place.
Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, agree, you talk about it. Seven o'clock tonight,
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl from the Star in Frisco. We'll be there
Speaker 2: to break it down for you tomorrow eleven am Central
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