WEBVTT - Draft Show: Taking Chances 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:08.560 Z is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.440 room for insider news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.160 the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star Infrasco. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.240 Today is Thursday, February first, twenty twenty four, and we 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:31.000 are eighty four days away from the NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.640 Welcome in to the Draft Show presented by Miller Lyte Taste. 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.040 You can depend on and you can depend on us to. 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.879 Investigate and educate here on a big week for the 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:44.720 NFL Draft process. Senior Bowl practices conclude today, the actual 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.720 game on Saturday. Shrine Bowl practices are in the review 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.800 mirror in the actual game. The Shrine Bowl takes place 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.840 tonight at seven o'clock Central Time inside Fort Center at 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.680 the Star in Firstco. We've got Zach Walchuk, Nick Harris, 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.320 Iusha Morris, and Brian brought us on. Kyle Yeoman's how's 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.800 everybody doing? Nick, you had an early flight this morning, 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:04.839 got back in in time. 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:05.160 Yeah. 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.120 Me and Scott Purcell from a little down the way. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.160 We made our way in from Mobile this morning, five 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:10.959 twenty five am. Flight Ready to rock. 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:11.560 Let's get it. 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.800 That's the type of draft process, dedication. 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:16.080 Yeah, that I admire. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.080 We were all very jealous and you're getting to be 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.080 at those practices and get to get a close and 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.160 personal look at some of these guys. Man, I'm sure 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:24.600 it was a blast out there and Mobile, but we 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.119 appreciate your dedication, hard work to be here right now. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:27.400 Yeah. 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.280 Yeah, me too, Me too, Zech No, it was great. 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.480 It was my first time out there for the Senior Bowl. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.520 I had been to Mobile many times in my previous 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.040 job for different events, but going for that event, I mean, 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:37.959 that's something that the town really comes out for. It's 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.400 a it's really special whenever you're out on the town 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.640 at night. I mean you see scouts everywhere, you see 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.800 media personnel everywhere. It's a really it's a really interesting event. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.040 I mean the town turns into like a mini NFL 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.120 town for you know, those few days. So and we're 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.080 going to dive into, you know, everything from the from 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.280 the Senior Bowl, as far as evaluations go, different position groups. 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:58.960 I think there were some guys that really helped their stock, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:00.640 guys that hurt their stock this week. 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:01.840 So it's gonna be fun, man. 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.440 And you're talking about Mobile turning into a mini NFL town. 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.840 Just wait to experience the combine. It would be so fun. 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:10.680 It's the best. 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.040 With that being said, I mean there's a lot that happened, 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.760 Like you said, ups and downs of the Senior Bowl Week, 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:18.320 and you're gonna have a lot of that as the 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.680 draft process goes on. But who was the best that 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.320 you got your eyes on all week long? Is the 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.280 number one guy? We'll talk deeper depths, but I want 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.120 to know who was there the best. Nick Harris's MVP 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:32.040 of Senior Bowl Week. 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.480 I guess you got to go with Jackson Powers Johnson. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:36.919 I mean, if I'm looking at one guy who consistently 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.239 performed on both days, you know, if you had asked 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:40.800 me after Day one, it would have been Tyler Guiding 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:42.560 out of Oklahoma, But then he didn't have as strong 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.560 of a Day two, lost some reps. I could also 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.799 throw in Darius Robinson out of Missouri, talk about as rusher. Yeah, 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.440 I think he's gonna be a first round guy. 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.160 First round guy. So he made himself some money. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:58.200 He was really fun at Missouri, like his tape is fun, 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.800 but it was just like what are you getting out 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:02.240 of the shurt? 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.119 So seeing him against different competition was really nice. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.440 Yeah, I'm stamping him right now. I'm putting that first 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.680 round stock on him. I really like what I saw 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:11.200 from him. But I want to talk about Jackson Powers. 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.840 Johnson both days performed well, lining up at left guard, center, 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.639 right guard. I mean he played everywhere in the interior, 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.800 really good anchor, really good bass. I loved what I 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.760 saw from him. He kind of tweaked his hamstring towards 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.040 the end of practice yesterday. I'm curious. We're got the 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.200 Senior Bowl here on in the TV, here in the studio. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.200 Curious to see if he's back out there today. But 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:33.920 I don't think he needs to be. I think, you know, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.480 we were talking about a couple of weeks ago, you know, hey, 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.600 you know the Cowboys Twitter, They're starting to look at 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.600 Jackson Powers Johnson as a potential option there at fifty six. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:43.920 Now you're hoping he'll be there at twenty four, right. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.320 I mean, this is a top twenty type guy, and 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.160 I think even if he does slip outside of the 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.960 top twenty, you look at a center needy team the 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.680 Miami Dolphins at twenty one, and if you somehow get 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.240 past them, then you're okay. Maybe, But I just don't 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.040 I'm starting to not see how Jackson powers Johnson slips 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:00.880 to twenty four. But never less, he made himself a 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.080 lot of money this week. I really liked what I 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:03.680 saw from him. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.680 I'm a little surprised that you didn't say anything about 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:07.960 Liatu Latu. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.920 Oh wait, Layatu la. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:11.680 Well, you asked me for one guy, and I kind 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:12.160 of give you two. 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.320 But I know, but none of them were a. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.280 Lots Yeah, you were very impressed with him. 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:17.800 Yeah, I'll touch on Laotsu Latsu. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.120 Probably one of the more craftier past rushers I've ever 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.839 seen at this level, at this stage of his career. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.640 When you when you combo what he can do with 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.000 his hands, what he can do with his athleticism, I mean, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.320 he's he's really talented. He was lining up against some 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.840 of the stronger tackles in the class, or the stronger 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.960 tackles that were Aaron mobile. He was able to get 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.240 around them on a consistent basis. I mean he was 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.120 coming inside, he was coming around the edge. I mean 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.400 whenever law Tu lined up, you did not know what 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.120 he was going to do. There was one play that 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.760 really stuck stuck out to me about Law two from 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.400 the week, though, and I mentioned this to Kyle when 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.480 we were on the phone yesterday being nerds and sickos. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.039 He got this whole thing we saw. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.640 Thirty five minutes on like a drive home, and it 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.000 probably could have gone for an hour and thirty. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:58.600 Yeah, and you almost gotten like two rex on the 0:04:58.640 --> 0:04:58.960 way it was. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.240 I was yelling at other cars. It was so bad. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.000 I'd be like, you know a Christian who's and he'd 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.960 be like, oh, my exploitive, exploitive. 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.960 But anyway, I don't say expove. Don't say that. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.080 You said explotive the word you know, because you don't cuss. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.600 But anyway, there was one play that stuck out to 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:18.880 me about Lats. It was a play where they were 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.720 in team drills, so eleven on eleven, Michael Pennix was 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.520 the quarterback and LAT two had him confuse from snap 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:26.280 to finish. 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.520 So what law Too did was he dropped back in coverage. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.479 And when he dropped back and coverage, Penis did not 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.400 really expect that because he was trying to hit a 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.600 crosser over the middle. It kind of confused the passing 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.080 lane right there. For for Penix what lots he was 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.880 able to do, So he was like, Okay, let me 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.480 roll out and try to follow this crosser and kind 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:43.800 of get around lat too, because he's not going to 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:44.160 follow me. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:45.080 He's a defensive lineman. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:46.840 He followed him step for step and then he just 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.080 kind of picked up that crosser and became like a 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.960 coverage linebacker in a way, in a sense right there. 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:53.840 And then Pinnix threw it out of bounds. He threw 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:55.720 it out of bounds in a practice setting, and it 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.080 was just like, Okay, yeah, a lot too. He's smart, 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.960 he got him, he's he's he's violent whenever he wants 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.480 to rush the pass or he's really good, but whenever 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.119 he needs to turn on those instincts, he's even better. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.120 And I really like what I saw from Law two. 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.000 That's a top ten, top fifteen pick in my book. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.200 I love what you're saying is awesome. 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.640 Those are the kind of differences you're looking at with 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:15.960 some of these edge rushers. One, I mean, for his size, 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.960 the unique athleticism he has, but his bend, but he's 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.200 got an arsenal a pass rushman. He's not just like 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.719 a one single tool on the tool belt kind of guy. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.640 That's why him and a guy like Chop Robinson from 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:27.279 Penn State. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.280 Those are the two dudes. They kind of stand out 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:29.479 to me. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.880 They're rare with their speed, they're timing off the edge, 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.440 their ability to bend, their quick twitchiness. But also they've 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.080 got a multitude of different ways to beat you, along 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.040 with having quick and violent hands. But I mean the 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:43.680 ability to drop off in coverage. I mean, I don't 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:44.840 think alat two is a guy that you want to 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.279 see do that a ton, but with his size and 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.080 his length, he can cause issues. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.000 And something else about Law two too. I mean I 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:52.720 was kind of looking him up and down. He can 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.279 add twenty twenty five pounds to his frame, and I 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.080 wonder if he can retain that same athleticism. I think 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.599 he could. I mean his legs are still kind of lanky. 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.320 He's got room to grow in his arms as well. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.000 I mean, once he gets in an NFL weight type program, 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.280 he can really develop into a very scary defensive way. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:09.400 Yeah, he's gonna can be. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.600 He can be a terrifying presidence off the edge. It's 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.640 just tough because he's got you know, his previous stop. 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.880 Washington's like, look, dude, you're you're not playing football anymore. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.200 Then he goes to UCLA and continues to play. So 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.320 those are two guys. I know another name that I've 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.200 just been seeing and I'm sure you can highlight on him, 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:25.520 and we've talked about him on the Draft show. A 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.560 lot of these guys really popped that we've talked about 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.440 to make us look good. But Peyton Wilson from Encie State, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.520 the dude's been wrecking. I mean, they've got these the 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.680 next gen stats, they've got the mile per hour that 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.000 they're tracking. These guys has been the fastest linebacker there 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.280 at the Senior Bowl and mobile. But you got to 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.640 judge the medical the risk reward. For me, those are 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.640 two guys. You watch them on tape. They're just football players. 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.240 I think they're worth taking the risk for me. But 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.520 then again, for other people in that room, they might say, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.200 I'm not even putting them on our board right now. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.200 Yeah, that's gonna be a question. I think medicals coming 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.160 out of combine. We've talked about that with Peyton Wilson. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.080 That's gonna be the big question. And every franchise is 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.640 gonna feel different about that, right So, you know, like 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.800 you said, one team, Nah, we're good. Other team, Hey, 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.240 let's check on those medicals on Wilson at combine. Let's 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.560 kind of see from my perspective, he does not move 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.160 like a guy that has had knee surgery, shoulder surgeries. 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.120 I mean, he's active, he's violent, he's fast. At twenty 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.000 point eight two miles per hour was the fastest on 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.160 field speed from all linebackers on day one. He paired 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.400 that on day two. I mean it was fun because 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.040 it was him and Cedric Gray from North Carolina that 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.680 were in that linebacking corps for the American Team, and 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.119 those guys were just flying across the place in team drills. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:31.360 I mean, it was really fun to see they were 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.640 communicating well with each other. One thing that really stood 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.080 out to me about Peyton Wilson was that communication factor. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.400 He's wearing the green dot for that defense this week. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.680 He's been awesome for them. Talk to a few of 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.720 the coaches on the coaching staff for the American Team, 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.440 and they love what Peyton Wilson brings to the team 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.080 off the field and what he's been able to do 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.640 from a communication standpoint. So if you're looking for a 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.520 guy who also kind of needs to be able to 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:52.600 step in and be able to be. 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.720 That kind of leader on day one. Peyton Wilson's your guy. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.679 That's exactly what we were talking about last week while 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.760 you were out there. I wonder if you heard anything 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.480 similar about Cedric Gray because he's another dude to me 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.800 from North Carolina. When you watch Jeremiah Trotter junior from Clemson, 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.320 I think Cedric Ray is a taller version of Jeremiah 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.400 Trotter Jr. He's sixty three compared to just the six 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.760 foot but instinct's ability to rally to the football sideline, 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.160 the sideline speed, and you mentioned the communication there, so 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.000 I wonder that can Cedric Gray kind of be that 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.040 field general as well? 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.240 Well, yeah, Cedric, if I'm not mistaken, he said he's 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.280 a will and so I guess like pairing them together 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.280 was cool to see also too. But when you talk 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:33.559 about Peyton Wilson, Doug like we talk about true Mike linebacker, 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.360 he's big, Doug. I was just so impressed with the 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:41.120 you mentioned the speed. It transfers so well all over 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.720 the field. I mean, his hips are just crazy. And 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.679 you don't see a guy that's had a whole bunch 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.880 of injuries because also to you worry about, Okay, is 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:52.040 he gonna play timm is he gonna be No, there's 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:53.839 just none of that in this game. And also too, 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.600 you mentioned how good he is off the field. The 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:00.320 game looks so much slower to him than everybody else 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.320 to me when he's out there. So you talk about 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.280 the IQ and the processing and the ability to react. 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:10.720 I understand the medical stuff too. I would be giving 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.000 it a second look depending on also to what your 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.760 core looks like, what your linebacker court looks like, because 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.280 it's also like, Okay, do I want this guy out 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.120 there every single snap? Maybe I don't know how you 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.080 decide to do that, but I do think the depth 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.040 that you have in your room, depending on what team 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.760 it is, that plays a factor and whether you decide 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.600 to bring a guy like this in. But I think 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.440 he's one of the truest mics I've seen in a minute. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.240 Yeah, with the thing with Wilson, that's interesting. It reminds 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:37.719 me so much. And here we have a Trotter and 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.680 a draft and in nineteen ninety eight we had to 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.080 make a determination of Jeremiah Trotter Senior and his knee, 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.000 you know, and where's the value of the player, you know, 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.240 where's the value of the risk in the reward. Where's 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.559 the doctor? And you know, the Cowboys have one of 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.520 the best doctors in Dan Cooper in the country that 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.920 could tell you, Like, but you know, I just remember 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.560 with Jeremiah Trotter seniors or ten years. I can't tell 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.200 you that. You know, you have to evaluate. There's going 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.720 to have to be a call from somebody within an organization. 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.440 It's going to have to say, man, we like this 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.800 guy too much, let's go let's just take this guy, 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:14.760 or we can't deal with it. 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.760 We've you know, and the Cowboys. 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:20.880 Don't have a great history with linebackers that have been hurt. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.720 Correct me if I'm wrong. I mean there's some guys 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.760 that have been tremendous players in this organization that have 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.600 come in with medical conditions and it hasn't It's ended 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.000 for them way before it should have ended. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.880 Even recent history. Yeah, like very recent history. Yeah, absolutely 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:38.959 happened like that, no doubt. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:39.320 Yeah. 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.679 And the and the sad thing about it is Overstown 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.840 now becomes a guy who has a medical condition for. 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:49.120 You you know, and so you know that's that's the thing. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.320 And you know they gambled on Layton Van der Esh 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.920 and it it you know, he he had a nice career, 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:57.320 but it it could have been so much more if 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.200 maybe he wasn't dealing with so much before he been 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:00.640 got here. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.840 Yeah, they might be out of that I personally, I 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.560 mean as far as the Cowboys and drafting linebackers that 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.760 have had health issues, I feel like at this point 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:14.600 you've seen it multiple times, Jalen Smith. You've also seen 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.600 it with Leyden Vandersch and then now you've seen it 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.199 with who's the third guy, Clark who had the injury 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:21.959 as well that you. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:23.720 Called, Yeah, you caught it. 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.800 I don't want to dig a grave for the moone 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.160 Clark playing out a position and he played a ton 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:31.800 of snaps issue and he was healthy. 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:32.080 Through it all. 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.920 But he surprised me he played last year. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.439 Yes, that's that was a shock in its own right. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:36.920 Yeah. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.559 I'm not absolutely not digging on him, especially with him 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.680 playing out a position. But I will say that with 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.280 this club, you you look at the track worker, maybe 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.280 they are a little bit more hesitant with that player 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:47.760 is just. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:52.040 Him. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.520 But make Pro Bowl somewhere else I'm gonna throw up, 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:55.360 I mean Washington. 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.400 Well, No, it always reminds me the story again of 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.280 doctor Mackenzie and Green Bay and him failing. Larry Allen, 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.680 you know, and our general manager would walk up to 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.880 doctor Mackenzie and goes, see that number seventy three. He's 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.440 gonna kick our ass today. That's the guy you failed 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:10.360 on the physical right. 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:10.800 Yeah. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.079 So but yeah, that you know, we'll see those physicals. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.640 But the thing about Wilson, the ball goes towards him too, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.439 by the way, And I don't mean the I mean 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.680 I mean it gets knocked in the air and he's there. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.480 It gets thrown on the ground, he's there. He's one 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:27.319 of these guys that. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:32.840 Has that type of ability, that instinct right place, right time, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:34.400 being able to finish. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:35.000 Man. 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.240 You would have you would have you would have done 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.520 anything to have one of those guys playing for you 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:40.040 this year. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.000 You know, as you went through the season. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:43.679 You have to have a guy with instincts. I think 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.640 they're drafting a linebacker. It has to be a smart 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.680 one in that second level. And that's what really stood 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.840 out to me whenever I had those conversations about Wilson 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.480 with the coaching staff American and and they were they 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.720 were very complimentary of what he brings to to that 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:56.199 to that area of the field and you can see 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:57.640 that in team drills as well. I mean he's not 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.400 miss he's not missreading gaps, his gap disciplines wrong. I 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.439 mean he's coming around the edge on fire. Yeah, whenever 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.439 he does want to rush the passers. So, I mean, 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.640 this is a guy I would take. I'm not concerned. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.840 One of the best players I've ever scouted in my 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.360 life was a guy named Luke Keighley. 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.920 And Luke, Yeah, Luke Keighley was pretty good. 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.480 This is this is wild because Peyton Wilson told me 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.800 yesterday Luke is his guy. 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.520 Like, that's who you watched. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:23.120 You watch that. 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.760 You watch Boston College tape when Luke Keighley played, and 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.800 he made every single tackle. He was around every single ball. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.040 He was he was always in the mix. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.240 And you talk about the instincts, that's the something. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:35.520 And you're really good with scheme. 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.520 You like when you when you evaluate always let's follow 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.160 you because I like what you talk about with scheme. 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.200 One of the things that these cowboy linebackers I think 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.040 lacked a little of was the instinct you know it 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:50.360 was it was I just talked about don't guess, don't 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:51.960 end up in, don't be in c gap and you 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:52.680 need to be an a gap. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:53.440 Don't be that guy. 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.680 When you don't have instinct you guess you you hope, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.000 you know those things. Those are bad things to have. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.840 And they need thinctual linebackers and the instincts aren't coaching. 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:03.600 I mean, that's something that you have, you have, It's 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.480 an innate feeling of the game. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:06.560 There, he certainly has it. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.480 There's a couple of these linebackers that we've talked about 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.560 that do and that's something they certainly are lacking. 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.080 Well, they missed it with Layton vander Resh. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.840 Layton vander Resh was that instinct and heady and film study. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.440 He had all of those elements. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.640 And then when that went away, and even there were 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.720 times in his career where he was looking like it 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.760 wasn't there from a physicality standpoint, even in the back 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:26.760 hap before he got hurt. 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:27.520 He can see it. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.400 He can see it, but he just couldn't get there. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:30.920 My apology is that completely. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.240 My apologies for being late. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.400 But if we are we talking about linebackers, Mighty brought 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:36.400 up Coulson. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.800 From Mission to bring him up. We talked a little 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.120 bit about him yesterday on our show. I know, do 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:42.880 you want to I mean, Colston's a big boy. 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.680 This is this Now we're talking size. 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.440 So yeah, since you're bringing up linebackers again, I'm sorry 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:51.200 a little bit show well, no, but the size. I'm 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:52.840 just talking about the size of the guy. Six three 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.480 two forty seven, you know. And this guy, I mean, 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.880 he he played with basically a club left hand the 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.480 last three or four weeks of the. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.440 Season and it didn't affect him at all. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.320 But if you're looking for a big, powerful, thick lower 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:09.000 body guy that can pack a punch, physical downhill player, 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.360 take a peek at Junior Colson the linebacker. And I know, 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.560 we say Michigan and people lose their damn mind. If 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.200