Speaker 1: Look out. It's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Golstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, an admin, administrative assistant administer, and I love films.
Speaker 1: As Alfred Lord Tennyson once said, Oh Earth, what changes
Speaker 1: hast thou seen? From silent films to sound, from black
Speaker 1: and white to color, from stop motion to CGI? What
Speaker 1: stories you must know? West about to Avatar? The way
Speaker 1: of water? What say you? Wow? Nice? Every week I
Speaker 1: invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died.
Speaker 1: Then I get them to discussed their life through the
Speaker 1: films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include
Speaker 1: Barry Jenkins, Sharon Stone, Mark Frost, and even Claddie Plambles.
Speaker 1: But this week it's the incredible comedian and all round
Speaker 1: her is Chloe Pets. Head over to the Patreon at
Speaker 1: patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you get
Speaker 1: an extra twenty minutes of chat secrets, beginnings, endings, and
Speaker 1: the video ad free the whole thing. Check it out
Speaker 1: over at patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein. So
Speaker 1: Chloe Pets. Come on. If you don't know Chloe Pets,
Speaker 1: Cloye Pets is one of the funniest comedians working today.
Speaker 1: She's about to go on tour, or she is on tour,
Speaker 1: or she's about to go on tour. I think her
Speaker 1: tour is about to start. Either way, you should go
Speaker 1: and see her on tour because she is brilliant. All
Speaker 1: you've got to do is look her up. You'll see
Speaker 1: all the amazing reviews. Everyone loves Chloe Pets. She's amazing.
Speaker 1: We recorded this on Zoom. Oh we had a right
Speaker 1: old time. I think you're really gonna love this one.
Speaker 1: So that is it for now. I very much hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy episode two hundred and twenty five of Films
Speaker 1: to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to
Speaker 1: be Buried With. It is I Brett Goldstein, and I
Speaker 1: am joined today by a stand up a footballer, a
Speaker 1: football fan of the second greatest team in the UK,
Speaker 1: a lull worder, a transience tourer, a hero, a legend,
Speaker 1: a podcaster, a writer, an actor, an mc an Award winner,
Speaker 1: and best of all, a not best of all to her,
Speaker 1: but certainly too listeners of this podcast. She has been
Speaker 1: trapped on tour for years now with our own Breddy Brambles.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show. I can't believe he's let
Speaker 1: her out for the day. Please welcome here years it's
Speaker 1: Glary Betts who Well, yes, I am locked in a
Speaker 1: hotel room. Yes, tell us all. We've just been to
Speaker 1: the gym me and Edge and he was lifting very
Speaker 1: Have we wait? Actually, I think he might have known
Speaker 1: that I was coming on this podcast, so he did
Speaker 1: extra heavy ones today so I can report back that
Speaker 1: he was doing really good stuff. This is so great.
Speaker 1: So you are ontour with bread Panbles and you have
Speaker 1: him for a long time and he has locked in
Speaker 1: his hotrman allowed you to do a podcast. No, not
Speaker 1: his hotel. I think like we are doing some like
Speaker 1: fictional stuff where we're taking the piss out of him.
Speaker 1: But I think saying that he's locked me in his
Speaker 1: hotel and would be taking it a bit too far
Speaker 1: and maybe in the sort of direction that we shouldn't
Speaker 1: been spending. Agreed to disagree, But anyway, how is it going?
Speaker 1: It's honestly so fun, like yeah, it's we've lost our minds.
Speaker 1: It feels like lovely because I feel like him and
Speaker 1: Pulled the tour manager are like my two brothers, and
Speaker 1: you can just be the worst version of yourself in
Speaker 1: front of them, which is really freeing. But we've only
Speaker 1: got a couple of weeks left of it, and I
Speaker 1: think we're probably ready for it to just about be
Speaker 1: over so we can sort of return to our lives
Speaker 1: and our loved ones. But I think it will be
Speaker 1: so sad because we have created this little unit, which
Speaker 1: is it's just such a laugh, and the gigs don't
Speaker 1: feel like work. They just feel like you just go
Speaker 1: and have fun. Oh, it's great, and then you'd start
Speaker 1: your own tour, right or have you started your tour? Well?
Speaker 1: I did a mini tool sort of last spring, and
Speaker 1: then I'm doing another tour this spring. Who do you
Speaker 1: take with you or are you doing it on your own? Me? Myself?
Speaker 1: And I I opened for myself. I support myself. Do
Speaker 1: you wear a different hat or something? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like your character. Hello, it's me Boilets and yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just smoking a cigar sort of speaking trees about the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how is this your first tour? Forgive me if it
Speaker 1: is not. No, No, it is my first tour. But
Speaker 1: I would have forgiven you anyway. Thank you, You're very forgiving.
Speaker 1: How how do you find it? How is being on
Speaker 1: your own get enough and doing this stuff on your own? Now?
Speaker 1: Do you miss being with other people when you do it?
Speaker 1: Is it the best thing that's ever happened? Are you sad? No,
Speaker 1: I'm sad for unrelated reasons. No, it's really cool. I
Speaker 1: think I need to start remembering how cool it is
Speaker 1: and how like that's the sort of aim for stand
Speaker 1: ups is you want to be off doing your own
Speaker 1: tour and people come there to see you. But I
Speaker 1: think it's just the like, when you're sort of touring
Speaker 1: at my level, all of the gump around it you
Speaker 1: sort of have to do so you have to turn
Speaker 1: up early, do your own sound check, do your own tech,
Speaker 1: all of this kind of stuff. But then it feels
Speaker 1: like once you've done all of that, the travel, the tech,
Speaker 1: the show is the reward, and that feels you're just
Speaker 1: like not nervous for it anymore. You're just like, I
Speaker 1: just want to do the bit that I'm here to do,
Speaker 1: and I guess that's quite a freeing thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think in the spring I will definitely make sure
Speaker 1: to take pressure off myself and just be like, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be fun. Stop putting pressure on it. Just
Speaker 1: have a laugh. And touring audiences are much more up
Speaker 1: for a big fun laughter than like an Edinburgh audience.
Speaker 1: And Edinburgh audience seems to want an arc, whereas a
Speaker 1: touring audience is just like, let's just do some big jokes, sonny.
Speaker 1: I mean, any audience is better than give us an up.
Speaker 1: We're forty minutes in. I don't feel when you're act
Speaker 1: too yet, but I'm not doing that. I'm just doing
Speaker 1: funny jokes. We didn't come to the comedy for funny jokes.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Why aren't we crying? We came to be moved,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Jesus Christ. It's still great. And
Speaker 1: then hopefully one day I'll get to the point where,
Speaker 1: you know, Greg Davis took it out on tour as
Speaker 1: his support ed's taking me out. Maybe one day I'll
Speaker 1: take you know, the next burgeoning young thing out. I
Speaker 1: can look in my dressing room. Here, you got in
Speaker 1: it got you got in a dressing room. Pack your reed.
Speaker 1: Think you've already got someone in the chamber that you'd
Speaker 1: like to look up in your dressing room. Take on tour.
Speaker 1: Who is it? Well, hopefully Florence Pure will start doing
Speaker 1: stand up and I kind of that got too creep. Well,
Speaker 1: what I will say is I agree. What what I
Speaker 1: will say is I don't think the person that I'm
Speaker 1: going to take out on tour one day has even
Speaker 1: started stand up? Is that? Is that a crazy claim? Well,
Speaker 1: the only down side of that is that you're sort
Speaker 1: of suggesting that it will take you so long to
Speaker 1: be able to take someone on you that it will
Speaker 1: be at least five years. So it's a sort of
Speaker 1: newcomer's got five years about your belief perfectly. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: ain't going to be doing the size that the old
Speaker 1: egg scramble has been doing for oh for five years?
Speaker 1: What is its talk coming out of your mouth? Unacceptable? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll back myself, d Alum, Yes, she can come with me.
Speaker 1: Tell me this. You are a football fan. Your team
Speaker 1: Crystal Palace. So you were saying the second best team,
Speaker 1: so it is the first Richmond, Richmond. Okay, if we're
Speaker 1: talking real teams that you can play on FIFA, yes,
Speaker 1: sure Richmond. But in the Premier League UK Premier League
Speaker 1: official Crystal Palace always have a very special place in
Speaker 1: my heart because that is where we shot ted Lasso
Speaker 1: and I went on the pitch at Crystal Palace as
Speaker 1: the Captain. One of the greatest, greatest things I ever
Speaker 1: did in my whole life, and I loved them. If
Speaker 1: I were you, I would not have been able to
Speaker 1: film that scene because I would have been sobbing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was out as captain at Sellers Park. Really, it
Speaker 1: really was special Tingles bonus. It was fucking great. I'd yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: or you know, it's not sort of physiologically possible for
Speaker 1: me to get that, so I'd hire someone in to
Speaker 1: get a bonus for me. Now, that is a good
Speaker 1: use of your money. And what I've just got one
Speaker 1: note that I made, which is that ed gammer. I
Speaker 1: forgot to do it in the intro ed Gamble and
Speaker 1: I said, are you punking me? He said, I'm not punking.
Speaker 1: You should genuinely love it. He said, cool her a rat.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're a little eties. So yeah, what happened
Speaker 1: with the rat chat is I kept saying the phrase,
Speaker 1: oh that's just because I thought it was quite a funny,
Speaker 1: fun little phrase to say. If something goes wrong, you go,
Speaker 1: oh that's And then I kept saying it so much
Speaker 1: that Paul the Torm manager said, I really don't like that.
Speaker 1: I really don't like that voice. Well, when Paul the
Speaker 1: torm manager says he doesn't like something, that's sort of like,
Speaker 1: you know, a flame, flame for Ed, because Ed obviously
Speaker 1: then took rat and ran with it. He ran with
Speaker 1: a rat and now honestly it's it's. I think it's
Speaker 1: quite wonderful in friendship groups to have sort of quite
Speaker 1: like a utilitarian word where you know, if if a
Speaker 1: punchline escapes you, or a feeling escapes you, or you
Speaker 1: just sort of need a noun for something, it's a
Speaker 1: catual word that you can just oh, rat, and everyone
Speaker 1: knows exactly what you mean. It's sometimes rat's good, sometimes
Speaker 1: rat's bad. You know it's it's it's a catual, multi
Speaker 1: purpose word. It's like the C word for me. I
Speaker 1: get it, I think so, And do you call it
Speaker 1: the C word every time? No, I get I call it.
Speaker 1: I call it proper. But occasionally I have said it
Speaker 1: on this podcast. I say it all the time in
Speaker 1: real life, but I'm aware I keep being told that
Speaker 1: America people lose their mind if you say it. So
Speaker 1: I like to I feel like you need to be
Speaker 1: in my presence for me to use it in such
Speaker 1: a way that will make you feel warm and love.
Speaker 1: Have you tried it in America yet? Have you? I
Speaker 1: have got a routine about it which I did try recently,
Speaker 1: and I did think, this is, this is really it,
Speaker 1: this is I might have deported or not and it did.
Speaker 1: It worked. But you know, there's a lot of preamble,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of teaching, you know, I'm trying. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to teach. First we bring football to America. Next
Speaker 1: we bring camp. Yeah, that would be really nice to
Speaker 1: be able to just you know, walk into any given
Speaker 1: chilies and just go all right, Camp I camp. Do
Speaker 1: Crystal Palace? Know you as in you know you're a
Speaker 1: big deal these days. Have you been invited to it? No?
Speaker 1: S Have you been invited on the pizza Crystal Palace.
Speaker 1: I haven't been invited in the in a sanctum, And
Speaker 1: I really do hope, hope it happens. But I'm not
Speaker 1: going to push that because I think the thing is
Speaker 1: is let them come, let them come when they're ready.
Speaker 1: But I think the thing is as well, like that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff doesn't really matter to me because I
Speaker 1: get so much enjoyment out of it as a fan that,
Speaker 1: like anything above that would be an added extra. And
Speaker 1: I also think that, like you know, in our line
Speaker 1: of work, particularly in your line of work, Brett, you're
Speaker 1: around superstars constantly and you sort of have to learn
Speaker 1: how to you have to learn how to be chill,
Speaker 1: you know, can't. Oh look it's Harry Styles over there.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lose my mind. And I think
Speaker 1: I've got that with like lots of big celebrities. But
Speaker 1: if I met the Crystal Palace football team, I would
Speaker 1: lose my fucking mind, I swear to you. I like
Speaker 1: and it's it's pathetic. I'm twenty nine years old and
Speaker 1: I'd be like weeping because like my nineteen year old
Speaker 1: hero is still in front of me. It's pathetic, but
Speaker 1: I would love it so much. Have you met them all?
Speaker 1: I haven't met all the plane christ Pallas, No, but
Speaker 1: we've been in. I've been. I've been through their lockers.
Speaker 1: I've taken all the stuff. Oh he's having a little rifle,
Speaker 1: is it. I've seen what the odor they wear and
Speaker 1: now I wear it. Oh fuck, Clay Petts, I forgot
Speaker 1: to tell you something aging. Now, it's not Rat, I
Speaker 1: remembered Rat. It's it's you've died. You're dead? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: dead the fuck? Now? See I listened to a couple
Speaker 1: of episodes of this and every time you've forgotten the
Speaker 1: sort of major really yeah, the Kerry Godliman episode, you
Speaker 1: were like, I forgot to sell you you're dead? Do
Speaker 1: you do that everywhere? I mean, it's good to know
Speaker 1: that you're a huge fan of the show. Is that
Speaker 1: the contrivance? You forgot? Some contrivance? How dare you? I
Speaker 1: genuinely have a memory disorder and every week I can't
Speaker 1: even remember if I remember every week. But sure it's
Speaker 1: possible this has happened before. But you are dead, contrivance,
Speaker 1: you are? I am, you are booted up? You right?
Speaker 1: You may not even get into heaven for that. How
Speaker 1: did you die? Well? This is the thing in life.
Speaker 1: What I think, what I'd really like is have you
Speaker 1: seen the Voyage of the Dawn Treader. That's the second
Speaker 1: big budget Nannier film. Yeah? Is that the one with
Speaker 1: Will Pulter in it? Yes? Reap a cheap a little
Speaker 1: rat ah. Yeah, wow, maybe that's why he walks like.
Speaker 1: The way he dies is he just walks sort of
Speaker 1: through this big wave. And I've always said to my Mum,
Speaker 1: like I wish that's how we could sort of go,
Speaker 1: Like I'd like it to be the end of my life.
Speaker 1: The end of my life when I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: All of the people that I've loved, all the pets
Speaker 1: that I've loved, will never die. We will just stand
Speaker 1: on the edge of this wave and go, we're ready now,
Speaker 1: and then we walk into the wave. That's my dream.
Speaker 1: But I genuinely think the way that I will die
Speaker 1: is you know, I think the funniest time in my
Speaker 1: life is you know, when you do one bodily function,
Speaker 1: like you sneeze and then it induces a far yeah,
Speaker 1: the double up. I think if I ever accidentally sneezed,
Speaker 1: farted and then coughed, if I added a third one,
Speaker 1: I think my body would just I think my body
Speaker 1: would just cop it. So I think, ideally through a
Speaker 1: lovely wave with all my loved ones, but I think
Speaker 1: in reality it would be a fart, sneeze, cough hybrid. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot kind because you're taking your loved ones
Speaker 1: with you when you die. You're not like dying on
Speaker 1: your own have you seen Deep Impact? I actually haven't.
Speaker 1: Like Deep Impact spoiler. I'm afraid taor leone. You know,
Speaker 1: it's the end of the world coming whatever it met
Speaker 1: your hits and she and her father stand on the
Speaker 1: beach and like hold each other as a giant tied
Speaker 1: a wave sort of just goes over them. Is that
Speaker 1: your dream? Is that? How is that what we're saying here? No,
Speaker 1: you're sticking towards the tide away. It's just like a
Speaker 1: big like wall of sea and on the other side
Speaker 1: is the other side. It's not like, well, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I absolutely loved the sea and would very bit happily
Speaker 1: die in the sea. Yeah. The thing I'm just sort
Speaker 1: of looking at is once you step into that wall
Speaker 1: of c which is beautiful, you are going to drown. Drowning,
Speaker 1: not going to drown. It's magical. You're what you're missing
Speaker 1: is this magical C And it's a bit like, you know, oh, well,
Speaker 1: this is a really big spoiler. If you haven't watched
Speaker 1: The Good Place, then skip thirty seconds and go and
Speaker 1: watch it and then watch the end. Is you know,
Speaker 1: in the Good Place when they all walk through to
Speaker 1: the other side at the end, I mean it's like
Speaker 1: that you just you walk, you walk through to the
Speaker 1: other side. There's no pain. And I think the thing
Speaker 1: you said with deep impact and sort of the thing
Speaker 1: a bit like that recent film Don't Look Up, where
Speaker 1: they sort of try and have this like you know,
Speaker 1: nice meal and ape like domestic reality stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Is I find it's so tragic because there's no choice
Speaker 1: in that they've accepted their fate. And I think that
Speaker 1: that's really moving. But I think I would need I
Speaker 1: would need to be like I'm done now, I'm ready,
Speaker 1: And I think that that's my greatest like existential crisis,
Speaker 1: is that like I might be ripped from life before
Speaker 1: it's time by faring to death. And this is your
Speaker 1: you'll worry about death is you could costas and far
Speaker 1: too soon. Yeah, that is that. How you worry about this?
Speaker 1: Do you do? You? How often are you worrying about constant? Really?
Speaker 1: Has it always been that way? No? I had a
Speaker 1: bit of a reckoning with it in my early twenties
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh shit, this this actually won't
Speaker 1: last forever. And I think my issue is is that
Speaker 1: I just I enjoy everything so much. I just have
Speaker 1: I was constantly having such a nice time, and you know,
Speaker 1: even when bad things happen, I'm sort of like the
Speaker 1: good times will come again. And then it's like one day,
Speaker 1: one day, the good times won't one day it will
Speaker 1: just my time will be done and I won't like
Speaker 1: get to, you know, hang out and do a podcast
Speaker 1: with Brett, you know, get locked in at ed Gamble's
Speaker 1: hotel room. The greatest tragedy to me is that one
Speaker 1: day I won't know who wins the Premier League. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can I ask? Unless it's too dark, and if it is,
Speaker 1: we can move on. You don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: what did something happen in your early twenty when you
Speaker 1: say you had this reckoning or is it just a
Speaker 1: thought nothing like traumatic or anything it was. I think
Speaker 1: I had that that sort of realization that humans might
Speaker 1: sort of be grinding ourselves into like an apocalypse or
Speaker 1: like an early like an early ending to humanity. And
Speaker 1: I think the thing that I always took solace in
Speaker 1: was that even if I died, the thing that I
Speaker 1: was part of the team that I was on humans,
Speaker 1: even if I wasn't remembered individually, we would always live on.
Speaker 1: And the thing, yeah, that the thing that I was
Speaker 1: part of would always be remembered. And I think when
Speaker 1: I had this existential anxiety that like, one day the
Speaker 1: human race might not be here. Who's going to remember
Speaker 1: all of the things we did, all of those amazing things,
Speaker 1: that was when I had my sort of personal crisis
Speaker 1: of like, oh fuck, this is finite, you know. So
Speaker 1: I think it was like the macro level of realization
Speaker 1: influenced the micro level of like my mortality. Interesting, what
Speaker 1: do you think happens when you die? Nothing? What do
Speaker 1: you think there's an after lay? No, I don't mean
Speaker 1: there's an afterlife. I think it's just a sort of
Speaker 1: return to dust, you know, with no consciousness, Like in
Speaker 1: terms of what you're experiencing. It's you walk into that
Speaker 1: wall of sea cuffs, sneez and fut and then done,
Speaker 1: black out gone. Yeah. I think it's like just sleeping
Speaker 1: for sleeping. I'd dreamed task bake a cigar last night.
Speaker 1: I mean that's not very cool. Actually, Nah, do you
Speaker 1: think there's an afterlife? I do? Yeah, really well, I
Speaker 1: don't think that there's nothing. I think that whatever it is,
Speaker 1: I you know, what, if you're on Took the film,
Speaker 1: I think it is what Cell says it is the
Speaker 1: Pixar film, so so right, right right, I think I
Speaker 1: haven't actually seen it. I think I purposefully have sort
Speaker 1: of stayed clear of it because I have such like
Speaker 1: a essential anxiety around death. If I could, like it
Speaker 1: could just catch me at the wrong time and send
Speaker 1: me spiraling, so stuff like that, I'm always a bit
Speaker 1: careful of. I understand that the message of cell you
Speaker 1: seem to have already picked up, though, so perhaps you're okay, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe it would be helpful to me think so yeah,
Speaker 1: well listen, big news, Chloe Petts. There is a heaven
Speaker 1: and you know well it is. I'm not even asking
Speaker 1: the question, and no one else you know what heaven is.
Speaker 1: It's Sealhurst Park. It's Salhurst Park and you are welcome there,
Speaker 1: and the whole team are there. They are delighted to
Speaker 1: see you. They want to know your thoughts on every
Speaker 1: game they've ever played. They want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about everything, but they also they want to thank you.
Speaker 1: They also want to talk to you about your life
Speaker 1: through film. First question they ask you, this is the manager,
Speaker 1: says Chloe Petts. What's the first film you remember seeing? Well?
Speaker 1: When I was like really small, maybe like four or
Speaker 1: five or something. I got obsessed with the film Sleeping Beauty,
Speaker 1: and I think I watched it every day for two months,
Speaker 1: and then the Disney film rather than the weird sexy
Speaker 1: sex film. I don't think it was the weird sexy
Speaker 1: sex film Brett when I was four, but you know,
Speaker 1: it could have been a responsible barenting. Yeah, this could
Speaker 1: have been where sex SENSI what's the weird sexy sex
Speaker 1: Sleeping Beauty? There's a weird film with I haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: but it is about a sort of man who pays
Speaker 1: a woman to sleep and he watches her and maybe
Speaker 1: does stuff with that. I don't know. But his thing
Speaker 1: is she has to be sleep okay, and so he wakes.
Speaker 1: Instead of waking with a kiss, he waits her with
Speaker 1: her willie. I don't even know if he does really
Speaker 1: just watches it. I haven't seen it, so I can't
Speaker 1: speak to it, but I do know it was. It
Speaker 1: sounded idem was considered, but I also thought it exists.
Speaker 1: Good luck to it. My watch list thus far, His
Speaker 1: Soul and sexy Sleeping Beauty. That's that's my double header
Speaker 1: for this evening. No, it's the Disney film. I was
Speaker 1: genuinely too young to sort of to be able to
Speaker 1: remember what I was getting from it. And I also
Speaker 1: think I can't. Yeah, I can't really remember the plot
Speaker 1: of it that much. So I was that young that
Speaker 1: even though I watched it every day for two months,
Speaker 1: it sort of isn't there deeply, And like my memory,
Speaker 1: I sort of retroactively have to think what I was
Speaker 1: getting from it. And the scene that sticks in my
Speaker 1: mind is the princes chopping through the forest of like
Speaker 1: thorny things. And I think I was quite taken by
Speaker 1: like the notion of like very beautiful men saving women.
Speaker 1: That's that's bad, isn't it. I don't see why that
Speaker 1: is bad. What's wrong with a beautiful man saving a women? Yeah,
Speaker 1: by kissing her on the lips without asking Yes. The
Speaker 1: way he goes about it isn't ideal, sure, I think
Speaker 1: I just I just try nudging at first. You're right,
Speaker 1: you're a baby. Wake up dream. You're dreaming of cigars again?
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, you're having you're having a bad
Speaker 1: dream about cigars. If you if you wake up, you
Speaker 1: can have an actual real cigarette. Just one less wake
Speaker 1: up I've got I've got back at twenty I got
Speaker 1: back of twenty camels. We'll go down the turret and
Speaker 1: we'll smoke them outside. Listen, Honestly, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be like guilt you into this, but I've just chopped
Speaker 1: up so many thoughts to get it. Why can't I'm
Speaker 1: actually bleeding? Can you just this is open your eyes?
Speaker 1: I am a beautiful man, apparently, come on, I'm stunning
Speaker 1: and I've got cigarettes. Okay, yeah, but that's probably what
Speaker 1: he should have done, but instead he just went for
Speaker 1: a smacker on the lips. Weird when you think about it,
Speaker 1: ain't it did he use? He didn't? I mean, it's not, well,
Speaker 1: it is a proper kiss. Thinking about it, isn't like
Speaker 1: a little just a peck. He really holds it. I
Speaker 1: wonder why why what the you know, etymology or history
Speaker 1: of like true love's first kisses? Where has that come from?
Speaker 1: Why are we so obsessed with that? And but I
Speaker 1: guess it's probably like to do with like chastity and
Speaker 1: go on and like saving yourself for true love's first kiss,
Speaker 1: like don't waste it? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's another form of sort of keeping women's control. Yeah, control,
Speaker 1: So we should in fact kiss kiss everyone. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: should be kissing and everyone true loves two thousand, six
Speaker 1: hundred and forty nine First Kiss. Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: Did you watch this on your own? Do you have siblings?
Speaker 1: Did you watch this with your family? No? I watched
Speaker 1: this with my mum. I think it was like when
Speaker 1: dad was at work. My brother had just started school,
Speaker 1: so it was just me at home on my own
Speaker 1: with my mum. And then I remember we'd like, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that i'd make her sort of act out
Speaker 1: the film after we'd watch it with like my barbies
Speaker 1: and action action men and stuff, which is quite like
Speaker 1: it's quite like a psychologically like interesting thing. Why was
Speaker 1: it that that was? Because I can't remember why, as
Speaker 1: I say, why I was so interested in it, but
Speaker 1: it grabbed me. And I also think like the esthetic
Speaker 1: is like there's something like a little bit uncanny to
Speaker 1: those old Yeah yeah, yeah, those old Disney And I
Speaker 1: think I found I've always liked films that are sort
Speaker 1: of a bit like quietly haunting, like a bit odd,
Speaker 1: like I like, I really love like Coraline stuff in
Speaker 1: that sort of a stat where it's a bit like
Speaker 1: a bit weird, you know what their way they animated
Speaker 1: those films. Have you ever seen it where they have
Speaker 1: like the five plates of glass? I don't think I
Speaker 1: have no, So there's maybe part of the uncanny thing
Speaker 1: is there's almost like a three D effect they would
Speaker 1: have the camera over. I'm trying to describe it so
Speaker 1: that if you're listening, this will makes sense that the
Speaker 1: camera over like five plates of glass with a gap
Speaker 1: between them, and on the first plate of glass might
Speaker 1: be the trees, and on the second plate of glass
Speaker 1: might be hit, and then the third plate of glass
Speaker 1: might be the moon and behind that cloud, so that
Speaker 1: shooting through those glass gives you a sense of depth
Speaker 1: and three D. Do you know what I mean? That's incredible.
Speaker 1: That's really cool, particularly like when you know that in
Speaker 1: relation to like what the film's about, and it's like
Speaker 1: essentially the end just becomes empty. So to like have
Speaker 1: those like multi layers just like stripped of anything. Oh,
Speaker 1: really cool. What is the film that scared you the most?
Speaker 1: Do you like being scared? Yes? I do like getting
Speaker 1: really scared. If you could, if you could do some
Speaker 1: if you could do some tiny booze during this, then
Speaker 1: I love it, But not too hard because I might
Speaker 1: sneeze off, but I'm already did, so I guess you
Speaker 1: can't die twice. Yeah, well, yes I do. I think. Um, latterly,
Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed being scared, and I think when I
Speaker 1: was younger, I equated being scared with gore, so I
Speaker 1: had like such a low threshold for gore that even
Speaker 1: if Mum or Dad sort of channel flicked onto casualty,
Speaker 1: Oh no, I can't see that Gray's knee, but I
Speaker 1: sort of open myself up to it. But I guess
Speaker 1: sort of this new wave of like what what do
Speaker 1: they even call it? Like I think it's quite black
Speaker 1: psychological horror and stuff like that. I think they call
Speaker 1: it elevated elevated horror, which feels like so like snobby,
Speaker 1: given that you know, horror has always been great now
Speaker 1: that I sort of have looked into it at night
Speaker 1: about it. But yes, so latterly, I really do love
Speaker 1: it and I couldn't sort of tie it down. But
Speaker 1: things that I've loved, the Babba Da get out and
Speaker 1: ass hereditary, and then I think sort of getting a
Speaker 1: ground in that and sort of working out like the
Speaker 1: formula to fear. I think sometimes if I need the
Speaker 1: sting taken out of it because I'm getting too scared.
Speaker 1: Then I can be like, oh, the sensation that I'm
Speaker 1: having is like just the different side of like the
Speaker 1: laughter coin, because it's that like tension tension release thing.
Speaker 1: And I think even stuff like then watching stuff like
Speaker 1: Midsummer after watching Hereditary, I was just like laughing the
Speaker 1: whole way through Midsummer because I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is like a sort of parody or pastiche of like
Speaker 1: like how far can we push this like crazyness? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you know the thing I have? I'm sorry if
Speaker 1: I've said this before and might have done, but not
Speaker 1: for like hud is it rap? No? Do you know
Speaker 1: this about Midsummer is that the festival that they're at
Speaker 1: in Midsummer is a I believe it's a nine day festival,
Speaker 1: and the end of the film is only like day four,
Speaker 1: so you're sort of left with Jesus Christ, what the
Speaker 1: fuck happens on day eight? I did not know that.
Speaker 1: That's so cool? Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, And because I
Speaker 1: guess it's like that that ramping up that I'm relenting
Speaker 1: this like another thing happened is so yeah. The I
Speaker 1: guess the gag of they're still being five more days
Speaker 1: of that is really funny? Is that your answer? Midsummer? No,
Speaker 1: I think I wasn't scaring at Midsummer. I think maybe
Speaker 1: like the Babba Duck, probably because I guess it's that
Speaker 1: like quite sweet portrayal of grief. And again, esthetically, I
Speaker 1: think it's really beautifully and smartly shot in like a
Speaker 1: really purposeful way. Like sometimes I think filmmakers will choose
Speaker 1: a certain esthetic because it looks nice, but this felt
Speaker 1: like it really complimented the content and enriched the content.
Speaker 1: And I think I'm a massive Mark Kermode fan. He's
Speaker 1: like my favorite, I think man because he does that
Speaker 1: thing that I think all men should do, which is
Speaker 1: like he'll sort of give a review of a film
Speaker 1: and then he'll be like, but what do I know,
Speaker 1: I'm just a straight white man. I think that's great.
Speaker 1: And I recently like he's been talking about being in
Speaker 1: CBT on Kermode and Mayo. He's been talking about being
Speaker 1: in CBT for his anxiety, and I'm like, babes, don't
Speaker 1: fix the anxiety, Like that's what's making you. That's that's
Speaker 1: what's making you sort of a nice white man. Is
Speaker 1: like the like the feeling of doubt keep it, but
Speaker 1: he always talks about and I guess this is like
Speaker 1: the elevated horror or like psychological horror trope. Of the
Speaker 1: scariest things are the things that we sort of recognize
Speaker 1: in ourselves, or like recognizing inexperiences that we've had. And
Speaker 1: I think the Babba Duck is like an amazing example
Speaker 1: of that, of like manifesting physically a psychological anxiety that
Speaker 1: we have. And I think what I loved about it
Speaker 1: is like, do you ever see the Babba Duck in film?
Speaker 1: Because I know that you do in the short film,
Speaker 1: but I can't remember if you're doing the long film.
Speaker 1: It's a great question. I think you see do you
Speaker 1: ever see it fully? Maybe you never see it completely fully,
Speaker 1: but you see bits of it. Yeah, But I think
Speaker 1: that's so smart of just like almost like micro dosing
Speaker 1: or like edging us with the babbadock is like, that's
Speaker 1: what's scary about it is you don't need to see
Speaker 1: the thing that's just off camera, because the human mind
Speaker 1: is going to create something worse than you ever could.
Speaker 1: And in the short film, you do see the Babbaduck fully,
Speaker 1: and I think that's amazing because it looks so stupid
Speaker 1: and so silly, this thing that has been terrorizing them.
Speaker 1: And it really works because she's going, I'm not scared
Speaker 1: of you anymore. You get out of this room, you
Speaker 1: stop terrorizing me and my son, and you never do
Speaker 1: this again, and you can live downstairs. We can live
Speaker 1: in harmony, but you're not going to terrorize me. And
Speaker 1: the fact that we then that's the moment that we
Speaker 1: see this Babba duck and we just go, you're laughable
Speaker 1: now is such a strong moment in film. I think
Speaker 1: I've got little tingles even thinking about it. Yeah, that's great,
Speaker 1: that's great. What is the film that made you cry
Speaker 1: the most? Clarie pets Brett. Am I a crier? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a big crier. I won't stop crying. Yeah. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's not even because I feel sad that I cry.
Speaker 1: It's if I can't process the beauty of something. It
Speaker 1: was sort of manifests crying. And I had that with
Speaker 1: the film Lay Miserab when I was in my early twenties.
Speaker 1: It came out when I was at UNI. From the
Speaker 1: moment that Jean Valjean was given the sort of goods
Speaker 1: from the church till the end of the film, I sobbed.
Speaker 1: And I saw that film three times in the cinema
Speaker 1: and every time it was the same thing. I was
Speaker 1: just sobbing. And I don't know what you think of
Speaker 1: that film, but I think it's brilliant and I loved
Speaker 1: the smallness of it in comparison to the stage version.
Speaker 1: I think that's the way to adapt sort of quite
Speaker 1: an emotional musical. Is he paired everything down and the
Speaker 1: big moments were on the actor's faces and they were
Speaker 1: singing it live. It wasn't like it was put in
Speaker 1: post as thought. It was brilliant and all of that
Speaker 1: content gets me. I think maybe that's the way I'd
Speaker 1: like to die, dying for my cause, dying during a revolution,
Speaker 1: yea fever revolution. What's your what's your cause that you're
Speaker 1: doing for? Maybe a nice, nice, really passionate about this
Speaker 1: nice bit of we will fight for nice bit of
Speaker 1: climate activism. There you go, lovely, Yeah, you're right about that.
Speaker 1: It's it is a good The move on the Lame
Speaker 1: Mids film that you can't do in the stage show
Speaker 1: is you did it massive close ups. That was the
Speaker 1: movie's like's what you can't see if you're watching the
Speaker 1: stage is their face is really really close. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what I find most affecting is I don't
Speaker 1: find like big bold breast stuff. It's it's yeah, when
Speaker 1: you can see the like the raw, raw emotion. Can
Speaker 1: I just gives some honorable mentions to the other films
Speaker 1: that have made me cry the most, because my dad
Speaker 1: laughed at this quite a lot. I won't see Muma
Speaker 1: mere too with my dad, nothing wrong with that. And
Speaker 1: my mum, my mum was next to me, and that
Speaker 1: was what got me because spoiler another spoiler, Meryl Streep
Speaker 1: is both a slag and she dies right, but my
Speaker 1: mum was sat next dead slag like, mum was sat
Speaker 1: there next to me. A man of sea Free's coming
Speaker 1: onto the screen getting married and my Mum's not there.
Speaker 1: Of course I'm going to absolutely, like, you know, wet
Speaker 1: myself from the eyes. Yeah. But then I turned to
Speaker 1: my dad and I said, that is overtaken as the
Speaker 1: most I've ever cried at a film. And he said,
Speaker 1: what was the first, What was the most you've ever
Speaker 1: cried at a film before? And I said Twelve Years
Speaker 1: of Slave, which, as a sort of dicorsopy of films
Speaker 1: I've cried at, is there are on different levels, you know,
Speaker 1: more moved by it dead slag than the history of
Speaker 1: slavery in Americas. For you. That's Clow Petts for you.
Speaker 1: What is a film? You love it, people don't like it,
Speaker 1: it's not critically acclaimed, but you love it. I've got
Speaker 1: two two ones for this. I've got a scape plan.
Speaker 1: Who's seen that? One? Great answer? Great answer? Schwart the
Speaker 1: Negus Thelone Prison, It's great. I've seen it so many times.
Speaker 1: It's just thrilling and exciting and camp. I love when
Speaker 1: like big manly men films are meant to be bigger manly,
Speaker 1: but they're so big a mally that they become like
Speaker 1: so camp to escape plan? What was your other? Jupiter Ascending? Great?
Speaker 1: I fucking love the way Eddie ramyin choose the scenery
Speaker 1: in that film. I just think he's so yeah. I
Speaker 1: just think big swing. Yeah. And why did no one
Speaker 1: stop him? Because they knew that it's great. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a film full of big swings. Though so many Channing
Speaker 1: takes a fox dog or something, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of telling not showing of it. Is
Speaker 1: it me lacunish? The Bee is just following her because
Speaker 1: she's like the Queen, great, wonderful, and I think films
Speaker 1: like that that I know have been a sort of
Speaker 1: roundly panned. I have to put my sort of critical
Speaker 1: faculties aside and just be like, did I check my
Speaker 1: watch at any point in that film? And was I
Speaker 1: just having the most thrilling, brilliant time ever? Yes, is
Speaker 1: the answer. And I get that with all of the
Speaker 1: Workowski films, I'm like, I will one hundred percent goes
Speaker 1: here every Workowski film in the cinema because I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is, yeah, this is gonna be fun. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing with like M Night Shamalan. I'm never unentertained.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like what the fuck, but I'm always I
Speaker 1: will always go and see them. I liked Old. I
Speaker 1: really liked Old. I thought it's so many good ideas
Speaker 1: in it, and he's a good director. Maybe too many
Speaker 1: good ideas. I think you've got too many ideas, mate,
Speaker 1: rain them in, you save them, saving for different films.
Speaker 1: It was like it was sort of like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: doing We're doing this now, like only three minutes of
Speaker 1: past M Night. What is a film you used to love?
Speaker 1: You loved it? But you've watched it recently and you
Speaker 1: did not love it anymore for whatever reason. Could be political,
Speaker 1: could be personal, could be you've just got older. What
Speaker 1: is it? But I honestly, this this one I found
Speaker 1: so hard. I don't it's good, have a good change.
Speaker 1: I'm unchanging. No, I don't have a good answer for you.
Speaker 1: I do think one of the films that I watched
Speaker 1: recently was just like, what the actual fuck? Why did
Speaker 1: this get all of the acclaim? Is heat big big talk.
Speaker 1: It's really big talk, and I feel like reticent to
Speaker 1: say it because I feel like it's okay. But it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where if you say it, the
Speaker 1: film bros will come at you on Twitter and be like,
Speaker 1: it's one of the best films whole world. We don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have film bro. Listen, it's don't worry.
Speaker 1: Just little gentlemen, just gentle gentlemen, men, gentle women and
Speaker 1: people who I've never you don't get a film. But
Speaker 1: I hate on this. Okay, you're safe. He yeah. I
Speaker 1: think it's my issue with it is. Thus, I was
Speaker 1: really perturbed by the display of masculinity in it and
Speaker 1: all of the sort of like classic tropes around, like
Speaker 1: you know, beautiful women as love interests and like I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I can't really remember, but like dead Women,
Speaker 1: the way that they were treating that, I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is fucked up. And I get that it was
Speaker 1: meant to be sort of like a criticism and like
Speaker 1: not a satire, but like a sort of look at
Speaker 1: that society and critique it. But I do sometimes think
Speaker 1: there's an element of even like displaying it on screen
Speaker 1: in that way is glamorizing it. I hear you, totally
Speaker 1: hear you, and I wouldn't argue against that. I think
Speaker 1: there's always that danger of any anything. It was the
Speaker 1: big criticism with Wolf Wolf Street is that it's anti
Speaker 1: what it's showing, but it's showing it and it looks
Speaker 1: so fan looks and yeah, yeah, I get it. I
Speaker 1: hear you. I think I listened to a big interview
Speaker 1: with Michael Man about heat recently on the Mark Marin podcast,
Speaker 1: and Michael Man is so intelligent and put so much
Speaker 1: thought into it, and he is based on real people,
Speaker 1: and so it's I hear you. I think it's a
Speaker 1: very and he's exploring all the things that you're talking about.
Speaker 1: But you're right, he also makes it look fucking cool. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it's that like argument of how something like
Speaker 1: exists in its reception, because it's like, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know why this is popped into my head,
Speaker 1: but like Al Murray is like, yeah, the great one
Speaker 1: of the greatest comic characters of all time. But some people,
Speaker 1: you know, will sit there and think it's what he's
Speaker 1: saying is dead serious that he does think making Marcus
Speaker 1: the root of all evil, And so yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: I guess my discomfort sits in the reception of it
Speaker 1: and the way that film ros might be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this looks fucking great. But maybe I think I'll go
Speaker 1: back to it and maybe I'll listen to that big
Speaker 1: interview and we can do we can do a reunion
Speaker 1: in ten years time. Okay, what is the film that
Speaker 1: means the most to you? Not because the film itself
Speaker 1: is any good, maybe, but the experience you had seeing
Speaker 1: it makes special. I actually had one idea for this,
Speaker 1: and then I I've forgotten. What is that film called Rocks.
Speaker 1: It's called Rocks. Rocks. It's so good, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I never get I never go to the toilet during
Speaker 1: a film because because it's rude, and then I'm like
Speaker 1: a completist. If I feel like I've gone to the toilet,
Speaker 1: then i feel like I've missed it, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: we need to start again, because I don't know what's happened,
Speaker 1: but I won't see Rocks, and I've subsequently watched it since,
Speaker 1: so I know what happens. I know what I missed.
Speaker 1: But it was because it was like my third date
Speaker 1: with my girlfriend, and I got so nervous about trying
Speaker 1: to hold her hand that I had to go to
Speaker 1: the toilet and shut myself out, and then when I
Speaker 1: got back, I was like, I can't do it. I
Speaker 1: can't do it, and then she took my hand. It
Speaker 1: was really nice because I'm used to sort of I've
Speaker 1: always been in relationships where it's been messing around with
Speaker 1: like gender, gender and stuff. Has it's been more like
Speaker 1: the masculine one and the feminine one, so I've always
Speaker 1: like made the first move, and it was just really
Speaker 1: nice to like be like, oh, she really likes me.
Speaker 1: She's held my hand so nice, and the film was great,
Speaker 1: Are you still together? We said, afriend, Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: a very nice story, Clay Pets, thank you really good.
Speaker 1: I hope you didn't kiss d during the film though,
Speaker 1: because people kissing in films is like, I'm a completeist.
Speaker 1: If you kissed in the film, then you have to
Speaker 1: restart the film. I think you're right. And also I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have felt comfortable doing big snugging and watching loads
Speaker 1: of teenagers. Oh yeah, these these these traumatized teens are
Speaker 1: really ami going yeah, yeah, let's kiss, Okay, yeah, big
Speaker 1: moves move taking taking your lady to the cinema as well,
Speaker 1: because how much of the film are you taking in?
Speaker 1: How much of how much of your brain is just
Speaker 1: wondering worrying about holding her hands? You know what I mean? Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. But that's why I've had to go
Speaker 1: back and watch it and like it very much stood up,
Speaker 1: Like I think it's quality. I think it's really good.
Speaker 1: And I really love those films where I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: shes got like non trained actors and stuff from yes
Speaker 1: it did, yeah, from the backgrounds of that they were depicting.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's always really cool when you
Speaker 1: see the lines of like fiction and reality are blurred
Speaker 1: and you get like these really sort of like quite honest,
Speaker 1: truthful performances. Yeah, it's great. What is the film you
Speaker 1: most relate to? Possibly Ladybird? You know that's also my answer,
Speaker 1: and I believe this is answer. Really, Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: have Ladybird correct? Sorry if that iver? Yeah? Is there
Speaker 1: a correct answer to all of these? Yeah? Are you
Speaker 1: might give me at the end like twelve half twelve?
Speaker 1: Well done? Yeah? Yeah, I am. I think it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I think Greta Gerwig like it is one of our
Speaker 1: best filmmakers currently living, and her over will be like
Speaker 1: huge and so remembered. I think that feeling of like
Speaker 1: just from the opening Secrets where they're arguing in the
Speaker 1: car is something that I just recognize in like teens
Speaker 1: and their mothers, and it's so beautifully observed of just
Speaker 1: like what were we even arguing about? We're just arguing
Speaker 1: and it does it doesn't matter the content. It's just
Speaker 1: I'm going to bicker because you are this authority figure
Speaker 1: that is actively working to ruin my life. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just so beautifully touching. What's your what's what's your
Speaker 1: take on it? I just just really felt like Ladybirds
Speaker 1: every every aspect of her. I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: get it. And it's always the thing for any rights
Speaker 1: or anything, is that it's so specific. It's specific to
Speaker 1: the town she's from, it's specific to the year, to
Speaker 1: the music, to everything. And the more specific you had,
Speaker 1: the more universal, as in it I am not from
Speaker 1: there and I am not a girl. But boy, did
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, this is me. That's great. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I love that. I was going to say, like
Speaker 1: it felt like I'm quite singular, and it's depiction of
Speaker 1: teenage girls, but I'm so glad that that sort of
Speaker 1: transcends the sort of gender binary. And also like, I
Speaker 1: think says lovely things about you, a niche that you
Speaker 1: are like soft soft little boys, lady soft little ladybirds.
Speaker 1: But even that thing of like her wanted to be
Speaker 1: called ladybird is like so great of like I want,
Speaker 1: I want to put words on what I feel, but
Speaker 1: I don't quite have the words, so I have to
Speaker 1: So I've just I've chosen ladybird feels right expressing the inexplicable. God,
Speaker 1: it's brilliant. The end is so brilliant. Anyway, is the
Speaker 1: sexiest film you've ever seen. It's Portrait of a Lady
Speaker 1: on Fire. Yeah, yeah, Forward Thwarted Lesbianism delicious. The thing
Speaker 1: about that one is Selene CMR is, like, I think
Speaker 1: probably my favorite filmmaker at the moment, and I think
Speaker 1: the moment for me about that is because it's all
Speaker 1: about like the female gaze and the female gaze like
Speaker 1: out of the view of the male gaze, Like can
Speaker 1: they sort of create this like female utopia And there's
Speaker 1: like this all of this tension of like looking and
Speaker 1: being observed and not realizing that you're being observed, but
Speaker 1: realizing you're observing all of that kind of stuff. The
Speaker 1: moment that I found that, you know, the building tension
Speaker 1: of sexiness, like it's it's building, it's building, it's building that.
Speaker 1: Are they going to kiss? Aren't they? It wasn't released
Speaker 1: in that film when they kissed. There's a moment when
Speaker 1: they're walking down to the beach together and I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure it's um, oh what's her name? Adelha now reaches
Speaker 1: out and takes Noami Merlan's hand and they just brush hands.
Speaker 1: And for me that was like, oh, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've just come moment, you know, it was great, It
Speaker 1: was amazing, Yeah, wonderful film. There's a there's a subcategory
Speaker 1: traveling bone is worrying? Why do film you found a
Speaker 1: rousing you weren't sure you should? And is it rocks? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: traumatized teams do it for me? Now? Is there a
Speaker 1: no context? Feels to be buried with Twitter account? Because
Speaker 1: if there is, I think it might that might be
Speaker 1: a quote one there there isn't your You're safe now,
Speaker 1: no film brands and no no context. First ever sex
Speaker 1: stream was about Arsula from The Little Mermaid. Nice choice, interesting,
Speaker 1: tells us a lot. What does it tell us? Tells
Speaker 1: us your type? Big, big lady octopus, Big lady octopus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when I walked through the big wave to die.
Speaker 1: That's what I think is on the other side, big
Speaker 1: lady octopus waiting for me, big ladys belter as well.
Speaker 1: I just think she I don't know, I think there's
Speaker 1: um she's just she's funny. She tell me what to do,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I wouldn't have to
Speaker 1: think about it, and there's like a safety in that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she'd make sort of deals with you that slightly turns
Speaker 1: out to be sort of a bit tricker. Is a
Speaker 1: bit tricky. You don't realize there was a sub. There
Speaker 1: was a subclose to the deal I just made with
Speaker 1: you that I hadn't really thought about it. But it's hot,
Speaker 1: so happy I'll let it go. Yeah, you know, who
Speaker 1: need who needs their own voice? A hundred percent? What
Speaker 1: is objectively the greatest film of all time? I can't
Speaker 1: believe you've asked me this question. I just it's a
Speaker 1: simple question. Objectively, it's not your favorite. It's the greatest
Speaker 1: pinnacle of cinema. You must get all of the generic
Speaker 1: answers to this. You know, your Godfather's, you're, you're that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. You're good fellas. For me, I think
Speaker 1: seven it's got everything, and I think even in the
Speaker 1: like it feels like it's kind of like one of
Speaker 1: those films like pre the Internet, almost like not pre
Speaker 1: the Internet, but like pre the Internet in its form
Speaker 1: now where they were able like free the way that
Speaker 1: they do like pr and advertising for films, that they
Speaker 1: could keep Kevin Spacey off the list of stars in
Speaker 1: it so that when Kevin Spacey and I didn't know
Speaker 1: he was in it. When he turned up, I was like,
Speaker 1: you fucking what, it's Kevin fucking Spacey? Are you serious?
Speaker 1: And like it's very rare that films can do that now,
Speaker 1: because I feel like we've seen so much of the
Speaker 1: mechanics of how films work, and it's like it's like
Speaker 1: it's almost like when I saw like to Ryland for
Speaker 1: the first time, I was like, I can't fucking believe
Speaker 1: that this is crazy. But then when I saw A Memento,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I kind of saw that
Speaker 1: happen coming, because like I knew sort of how twists
Speaker 1: work now, whereas Seven like profoundly like grab me. And
Speaker 1: it also had that quality of I'm not looking at
Speaker 1: my watch, I'm just I come on, but I'm barreling
Speaker 1: through the next thing. And then I think the greatest
Speaker 1: endings of all are the endings that you don't want.
Speaker 1: You absolutely it can't be that, it can't be, but
Speaker 1: they are so inevitable in the world of the film
Speaker 1: that they couldn't be anything else. And Seven is the
Speaker 1: master of that of like, oh no, it can't it
Speaker 1: can't be ahead a in the box, but there's no
Speaker 1: other way of them getting out of it. Oh wonderful, brilliant,
Speaker 1: brilliant answer, it's never come up. You are correct. What
Speaker 1: is the film you could or have what's the most
Speaker 1: over and over again. Well, this is I'm going to
Speaker 1: go a little a little gie indie for you. Okay,
Speaker 1: have you seen the film back a Rout? Is that
Speaker 1: the police in a nightclub film? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: It's Brazilian. There might have been some police in the nightclub,
Speaker 1: but I don't think so. And it basically starts in
Speaker 1: this like Brazilian town where that like the dam's been blocked,
Speaker 1: so water is not getting to the town and this
Speaker 1: mayre sort of coming around and he's like going, look,
Speaker 1: vote for me, I'll sort of the water, but that
Speaker 1: this town is just like completely suffering, but it's like
Speaker 1: got this interesting vibe of like sort of like community,
Speaker 1: like quite sex positive in like a weird way. And
Speaker 1: you think it's sort of going to be one film
Speaker 1: which is like this political look at you know, the
Speaker 1: political term or in Brazil at the moment, and then
Speaker 1: it turns into a different film. It shifts into a
Speaker 1: different gear where basically like these white people turn up
Speaker 1: in the town and that there's like other things going
Speaker 1: on where like the town now can't access Wi Fi,
Speaker 1: like they're sort of off the grid, and they like
Speaker 1: disappear on a map, and then basically it turns out
Speaker 1: that this town that like a group of rich white
Speaker 1: people have paid to hunt them, and it's the slow
Speaker 1: revelation of that. Again, it's sort of quite blindsided me,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to give away the ending, but
Speaker 1: it satisfied me in a way that I need endings
Speaker 1: to satisfy me for me to like be able to
Speaker 1: watch that film over and over and over again. Like
Speaker 1: I don't think I could watch seven over and over
Speaker 1: and over again because I couldn't cope with the unrelenting
Speaker 1: like oh fuck her head still in the box. Whereas
Speaker 1: this one, I'm like, I think this is going to
Speaker 1: turn out all right, really interesting answer. Now we be
Speaker 1: two negative Chloe Pets. It would be quick. What's the
Speaker 1: worst film you've ever seen? We're not going to be quick.
Speaker 1: I'm fucking fuming about this one. Annet, how are you well?
Speaker 1: You have to tell me why you love a Net.
Speaker 1: I was so angry about it. I felt like I
Speaker 1: felt like the sort of can like the film critics
Speaker 1: were gaslight in me. Listen as someone who likes the
Speaker 1: Wachowskis is a Net is big swing after big swing
Speaker 1: after big swing. Here's a wooden baby puppet. Here's Adam
Speaker 1: Driver singing into Marion Cotti has vagina. Here's everyone addressing camera.
Speaker 1: Here's the writers popping up at the beginning. Here's a
Speaker 1: fake see. Here's a floating wooden baby in the sky.
Speaker 1: It's a swing swing swing field. Nah, it just like
Speaker 1: it's a fucking like like murder fantasy. Why did Marion
Speaker 1: Cottiard have to be like killed off so fucking early?
Speaker 1: And then it's just like she's completely voiceless. Listen, I
Speaker 1: oppose eyes for this, but I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: disagree with you. She's not voiceless. Her voice is the
Speaker 1: whole is that it lives on through kill but her voices.
Speaker 1: Liza goes, I will haunt you, Henry, I will haunt you,
Speaker 1: and her voices all through the film, and then the
Speaker 1: wooden baby has her voice. The point is you can't
Speaker 1: get rid of her voice. You've tried to be Why
Speaker 1: does I just hated it? I just thought was fucking shit.
Speaker 1: And I can see that I can see that what
Speaker 1: you've said is right, but I was just like this
Speaker 1: is like I'm angry at this. I just I have
Speaker 1: to sit through this bullshit and like the like the
Speaker 1: campus was just a bit wide of the mark, Like
Speaker 1: when she gets to she's singing at like that big
Speaker 1: sports event or something, and then she she goes like,
Speaker 1: my daddy killed people. Shut up, I don't care about you.
Speaker 1: And I think Kermode actually loved it, and he said
Speaker 1: that he was. I think he maybe this is why
Speaker 1: I've read it in a different way, because I think
Speaker 1: if I'd gone in with the expectation of what you'd said,
Speaker 1: then maybe I would have enjoyed it a bit more
Speaker 1: because I would have watched it a bit more tongue
Speaker 1: in cheek. But he read it as a very serious film,
Speaker 1: and you know, a very sort of He was like,
Speaker 1: you know, even though she was a puppet, I sort
Speaker 1: of connected with her and like believed in this relationship,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't believe in it whatsoever. And he
Speaker 1: also said like the songs were like earworms, and I'm
Speaker 1: sort of like, well, you know, I know a song
Speaker 1: that we'll get on your nerves is also an earworm.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make it good. You're sort of ramming your
Speaker 1: message down my throat anyway. Pissed me off. Sorry, you're
Speaker 1: in comedy, You're very funny. What's the film that made
Speaker 1: you laugh at most. Oh, I think I'm doing a
Speaker 1: companion piece here. Super Bad and book Smart in sort
Speaker 1: of really really good. I was super Bad so late
Speaker 1: and I was like obviously knew loads of the coats
Speaker 1: from it and was sort of ready to be quite
Speaker 1: unimpressed and just be like, oh, you know, this is
Speaker 1: something that you know, teenagers just quote at each other
Speaker 1: and it's not clever or funny, but the mucloving scene
Speaker 1: where he gets there, it's just so funny. I was like,
Speaker 1: really sort of uncontrollable, uncontrollably crime of laughter. Book Smart,
Speaker 1: I think it's like, you know, the girl's version of it,
Speaker 1: And I just love their relationships so much where they're
Speaker 1: like they're just so into each other, and I think
Speaker 1: that's very recognizable for females and women friendships, and that
Speaker 1: sort of had me like rolling with laughter at So
Speaker 1: for me, I think I need to be like rolling
Speaker 1: with laughter through the whole film and also be able
Speaker 1: to remember like really clear set pieces. So I thought
Speaker 1: it was so smart when it went into like stop
Speaker 1: motion animation when they were on drugs or something, and
Speaker 1: then when they come out of it and you see
Speaker 1: them like walking as themselves like they're still in stop motion.
Speaker 1: And then also like when Caitlyn Diaver's character is in
Speaker 1: the bathroom of that really hot girl and she accidentally
Speaker 1: like puts puts her finger in the wrong heart. It's
Speaker 1: just so funny. Yeah, it's a fucking great film, that is.
Speaker 1: Chloe Pets. You have been a dream, a dream in
Speaker 1: which I spoke as the girl lovely. You've also got
Speaker 1: forty points forty Yes. However, when you gathered all your
Speaker 1: loved ones, was a big wave coming, and you said,
Speaker 1: let's go for a swim. And you walked towards this
Speaker 1: big wave, and you all looked at having smiled, and
Speaker 1: as you did, you sneezed, farted and can't and your
Speaker 1: loved ones were cheeps crust and you laughed so much
Speaker 1: that you took as the wave hit you, you took
Speaker 1: such an in gulp of water it filled immediately filled
Speaker 1: your lungs. Your lungs exploded, your heart exploded as you
Speaker 1: were dead. Anyway, I'm walking past the beach, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm like, I've got a coffee with me as
Speaker 1: per and I see your bloated corpse absolutely filled with water.
Speaker 1: It's about five times the size and I was expected
Speaker 1: just rocks up on the beach like a whale, like
Speaker 1: a dead whale, and I head over to it. I'm like, oh, Chloe, pets,
Speaker 1: this is this is not what I was expecting. And
Speaker 1: so I get your loved as none of them died,
Speaker 1: and they said, can you can you out with this?
Speaker 1: They go yeah, yeah, sure, They'll get bits of wood.
Speaker 1: They stab stabby stab to water gushing out everywhere, all this. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we chop you up. I do what I can, put
Speaker 1: everything in the coffin. But there's more of you than
Speaker 1: I was expecting. What we're all the seaweed and the
Speaker 1: sand he's taken in, and the other fish, and there's
Speaker 1: a giant sexy lady octopus that crawls out. Guys, well,
Speaker 1: that was fine, and things heads off and makes some deals. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you're in the coffin. It's absolutely jammed in there. There's
Speaker 1: only enough room in this coffin for me to slip
Speaker 1: one DVD into the side for you to take across
Speaker 1: to the other side. And in Heaven at Salhis Park,
Speaker 1: it's movie night every night, and one night it's your
Speaker 1: movie night. What film are you taking to show? Crystal
Speaker 1: Palace when it's movie night, your movie night, Ladybird, Ladybird,
Speaker 1: great choice, and all the Crystal Palace tam are going
Speaker 1: to be like I relate, I relate, my name is
Speaker 1: and I relate. Chloe Pets, is there anything you would
Speaker 1: like to tell people to go to to look out for.
Speaker 1: I would love for people to come to my tour show.
Speaker 1: It starts at the Soho Theater in early January of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and then I'm going sort of all
Speaker 1: around the country from February to April. And I think
Speaker 1: it would be really, really fun and I would love
Speaker 1: to for your little woke gentlemen, your soft ladies, and
Speaker 1: your rock hard non binary people to come and see it.
Speaker 1: I think that they all shit. Thanks Chloe Pets. I
Speaker 1: have loved this. Thank you for your time. Have a
Speaker 1: wonderful life. Thank you, mister. Good day to you. Good day.
Speaker 1: So that was episode two hundred and twenty five. Head
Speaker 1: over to the Patreon at patreon dot com. Forward slash
Speaker 1: Brett Dalstein for the extra twenty minutes of chat, secret beginnings,
Speaker 1: ending and video with Chloe. Go to Apple Podcast. Give
Speaker 1: us advised rating, but don't talk about the show. Talk
Speaker 1: about a film it means the most of you and
Speaker 1: why just for my neighbor Mare, and she loves reading it.
Speaker 1: It makes her cry. Thank you so much everyone for listening.
Speaker 1: I hope that everything is good in your world. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much to Chloe for doing the show. Thanks
Speaker 1: to Scruby's Pitten, the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy
Speaker 1: Peace for producing it. Thanks to Ake Us for hosting it.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Adam Richardson for the graphics and Lisa light
Speaker 1: Them for the photography. Come and join me next week
Speaker 1: for another cracking guest. It's a very good one. Next week.
Speaker 1: You would like that one, Yes, you are so. That
Speaker 1: is it for now. In the meantime, have a lovely week,
Speaker 1: and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each others.
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