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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast Dawn't Watch Soccer. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the League Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by a room

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Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Seessler and Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What up, boys, Welcome back the LI fourth weekend is

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Speaker 1: in the books, and now we are back together. I

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Speaker 1: feels like it's been so long since we've all been together,

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Speaker 1: and really it's only been what four days? Five days?

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Speaker 1: Four days? And and Greg on his vacation not shaved,

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Speaker 1: not clean shaven, little Don Johnson eighties seven look going

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Speaker 1: on right now? I think he looks kind of fetching

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Speaker 1: like this fetchy, Yeah, a little bit Greg on top

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Speaker 1: of his game? T D. What do you think about

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Speaker 1: Greg not clean shavon? Oh, I'm getting too little. A

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of things about Greg go to

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Speaker 1: taste of music, you know, for whoever thought firm and

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Speaker 1: Lunch was gonna come up? And he has a little

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Speaker 1: Michael Sarah in this is the end vibe going on,

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Speaker 1: like you know, like this maybe not a compliment if

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Speaker 1: you saw the movie. Yeah, well Gregg has got a

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Speaker 1: week off. He's about to enter into just bender territory.

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Speaker 1: Ange is how I looked around eight or nine years

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Speaker 1: It was a beaut I like it. He does get

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Speaker 1: fired up. Good buddy language. Alright, boys, we have a

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Speaker 1: very nice show today. Since we've been away for a while.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to get to, plenty of good news tidbits.

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Speaker 1: We unveiled their own on Tuesday morning, we unveiled their

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Speaker 1: own top ten lists, each of us ahead of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Network's top one hundred players of two thousand, fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Their top ten will be unveiled on Wednesday night on

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Speaker 1: NFL Network. We have our top tens. We're gonna share

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Speaker 1: those and Chris Westling the scientists wrote up a piece

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Speaker 1: on the top ten snubs that aren't on the list,

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Speaker 1: so who was not picked. So we're gonna get into that.

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Speaker 1: We're going to continue or making the leap series is

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Speaker 1: but before we do any of that, gentlemen, we're going

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Speaker 1: to speak again to t D black Tie t D.

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Speaker 1: However you're comfortable calling him behind the glass not behind

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Speaker 1: the glass? How you done? But any want to do

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Speaker 1: some news? We're all behind the glass first of all.

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Speaker 1: Like I, like I said, Studio sixty six is I

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Speaker 1: checked it out today. It's coming along pretty nicely. Um

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm doing well. Guys. How about yourself? Doing nice? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's good, it's good. Like Greg said, it's great to

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Speaker 1: be all back together. Why don't we do some news.

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Speaker 1: Sciences got in there. That's good. I like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's not it. But he can't shut it off. That's good.

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Speaker 1: We've entered the lamp in there. Yeah, you like letting

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Speaker 1: long weekend obviously for TV fingers. Sausage fingers just PLoP

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Speaker 1: that started. I got a question for you, just to

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Speaker 1: How he's about to double cross like forty million people again,

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Speaker 1: the downs in the NFL are passing downs now, and

429
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Speaker 1: he you can't compare him to Peterson on passing downs.

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Speaker 1: McCoy has rounded out his game where he's now a

431
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Speaker 1: good inside runner. He breaks tackles. To me, he is

432
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Speaker 1: a guy that I think we'll look back on, was

433
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Speaker 1: underrated throughout his career and he's smack in the middle

434
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Speaker 1: of his prime. The gap is gaping Adrian Peterson and

435
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Speaker 1: in all other running backs two thousand fourteen, they is

436
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Speaker 1: in two thousand eight to two thousand thirteen. This is

437
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: this year in Peterson is Tim Duncan and his prime.

438
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Speaker 1: You can post him up, run your offense through him.

439
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy's Kevin Garnett. He's gonna float on the perimeter,

440
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Speaker 1: be inconsistent. He can't really run your offense through him.

441
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Speaker 1: Who touched the ball more? I mean he was just

442
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Speaker 1: as active as Adrian Peterson Kelly's offense and gets all

443
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Speaker 1: the yards, all of the yards in the NFL to

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Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson if you put him, have Arian Peterson a

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Speaker 1: running back number eight on the list? He he is,

446
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Speaker 1: what the number my number three ranked non quarterbacker, number four.

447
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 1: I think he is an unbelievable player. But but coy,

448
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Speaker 1: it's gotten a little uncomfortable. I don't like it. I'm

449
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Speaker 1: not happy about this one. I'm surprised Adrian Peterson just

450
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 1: shreds fools. All right, let's just move on. Can't be contained.

451
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: Scientists need to be on the same page. And is

452
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Speaker 1: he as good as he was a few years ago?

453
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Speaker 1: Is he as good as he was two years ago

454
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Speaker 1: when he had one of the best scenes of all time?

455
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Speaker 1: Take it to the lab? General or not right? Still

456
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Speaker 1: better than everyone had a studio for and into the lab?

457
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Speaker 1: All right, here's my top ten I and I'll start

458
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Speaker 1: right at the top because it's probably the most notable thing.

459
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Speaker 1: I was the only one not to put Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: as the number one player. I have Peyton Manning at one,

461
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, J. J. Watt, Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson,

462
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Speaker 1: Drew Brees, Earl Thomas, Darrell Reevus, and Lashawn McCoy at

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Speaker 1: number ten. So you are buying. Well, let's start with

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Speaker 1: with why Manning over Rogers. I found I just found

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Speaker 1: it impossible coming off a season where Manning, yes, he's

466
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Speaker 1: getting older, but until he truly plays old, I am

467
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Speaker 1: not going to drop him. And I think he's mastered

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Speaker 1: the position in a way that we've never seen in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. So as long as he's coming off that season,

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Speaker 1: I am not gonna not put him at number one

471
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Speaker 1: because I think he plays his position better than any

472
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Speaker 1: other player plays a position in the league, and he

473
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Speaker 1: plays the most important position, So for me, that makes it.

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Speaker 1: Does it factor in for you that Rogers was hurt

475
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Speaker 1: and didn't have a chance a little bit? Yeah? I

476
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Speaker 1: mean we talked about this last week that I my

477
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Speaker 1: only concerns about Rogers, you know, marking him as the

478
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Speaker 1: best player is a the injuries last year and also

479
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Speaker 1: that they haven't had much playoff success, which of course

480
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: the team is a big reason that, but they haven't

481
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Speaker 1: really done anything since that's Super Bowl win. Um, So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Rodgers is number two, and by he's a clear cut

483
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Speaker 1: number two for me, But I think Manning just gets

484
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Speaker 1: the edge. Do you still own a Drrell revs? Jersey

485
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Speaker 1: j I mean in the top ten in two thousand fourteen. Yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: I've been saying it all offseason. I've been pounding the

487
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Speaker 1: table that I think Rivas hyper motivated, playing for a

488
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Speaker 1: great coach, UH in a great spot in New England

489
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Speaker 1: where they're going to know how to use them and

490
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Speaker 1: play him the right way. UH. Entering his age twenty

491
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Speaker 1: nine season, I think he has another year or two

492
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Speaker 1: of truly elite play where he's going to be all

493
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Speaker 1: the way back, a full year removed from the surgery.

494
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Speaker 1: I think people are sleeping on Rivas as being Rivas

495
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Speaker 1: Higland revs. I agree people are sleeping on Revis. I

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Speaker 1: have no problem with him on your top ten list. Uh.

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Speaker 1: As far as Manning playing at a really high level,

498
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Speaker 1: one of the highest levels we've ever seen, almost as

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Speaker 1: high as Aaron Rodgers played three years ago when he

500
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Speaker 1: set the passer rating record and his team was fifteen

501
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Speaker 1: and one, Peyton Manning almost played that well last year, right, Well, yeah,

502
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Speaker 1: I mean you're three years ago. Aaron Rodgers still that guy,

503
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Speaker 1: but he's not throwing to Julius Thomas West, Welker Decker

504
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: into Mary's. Sure his weapons are good, but listen Aaron

505
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: Rodgers hasn't been hard up for weapons in his career either.

506
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Speaker 1: He can't really knock Rogers playoff success when he's been

507
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Speaker 1: a much better playoff quarterback than Peyton Man. Well, there's

508
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Speaker 1: some heat. I like your inclusion of Earl Thomas on

509
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Speaker 1: this list. I don't think anyone else Hatteral Thomas mentioned.

510
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Speaker 1: I thought it. I thought it was telling, you know,

511
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about that was historically great defense. Uh,

512
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Speaker 1: you know, I think he's the guy really that's the

513
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Speaker 1: blue of that defense. And I thought it was interesting

514
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Speaker 1: with Seattle took care of him first for a contract.

515
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: I think this guy is a stud in the prime

516
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Speaker 1: of his career, and I think, uh, playing for the

517
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Speaker 1: best team in the league and all that, I think

518
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Speaker 1: he deserved a spot. Any any other quibbles before we

519
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Speaker 1: move on. Oh, I like the Earl Thomas. I think

520
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Speaker 1: he should be ahead of Richard chaump Er Sherman on

521
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Speaker 1: most loss. And I went to say, I was just

522
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Speaker 1: because I had Jamal Charles, I was going to put

523
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Speaker 1: him at eleven or I was I was arguing with

524
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Speaker 1: myself between mc coy and Charls. What was your number? Eleven?

525
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Speaker 1: Was Greg Robin Craft. It was hard to leave Gronko

526
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Speaker 1: because I think if he's healthy, he's the biggest game

527
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Speaker 1: changer of any offensive player in the league that's not

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. Not to get off topic, but I was

529
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Speaker 1: at a barbecue this weekend and a good buddy of

530
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Speaker 1: mine asking me he in his keeper league, he could

531
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Speaker 1: keep Rob Gronkowski in the fourth round or Geo Bernard

532
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: in the third round. What would be your choice? Definitely

533
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Speaker 1: Gronk because in fantasy football is all about having an

534
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Speaker 1: advantage on everyone else in the league, and when you

535
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Speaker 1: have Gronk, you have an advantage on everyone else in

536
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Speaker 1: the league. Let me get this straight. You have friendships

537
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: outside of this circle. I hate that it came out

538
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: like this, but sadly that is alright. We're moving on now.

539
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: Mark is a little upset, so we're gonna bring him

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Speaker 1: up now and go through his list. Mark's top ten

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Speaker 1: reads like this Number one Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees, Andrew Luck Number five Ben Roethlisberger, Calvin Johnson, J. J. Watt,

543
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, and Luke Keikley. Who wants to jump in

544
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: six quarterbacks to start it off? Andrew Luck already ahead

545
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Speaker 1: of guys like J. J. Watt and Calvin Johnson. Well,

546
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: can I all right? I almost just went ten quarterbacks

547
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Speaker 1: because I don't like the way that the whole top

548
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Speaker 1: one is constructed where we feel in New York Top

549
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: ten though, forget about how they do it well. The

550
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: reason I think they've got it wrong is that you

551
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: have to dot the list with all these different positions.

552
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: If I were to start a team easily, I would

553
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Speaker 1: go one of those top ten quarterbacks before anyone else

554
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: to start my team. But to start the team list,

555
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: it's who is the best at what they do, I

556
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: think is a big part. I take a friend tries

557
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: quarterbacks contribution over almost any almost any other player in

558
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Speaker 1: the league. I find Luck at very interesting, intriguing pick.

559
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: He could be ahead of the curve because he might

560
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: become true superstar this year. But the argument is that

561
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Speaker 1: you're projecting because his first two seasons he's had amazing moments,

562
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: but his statistics have been pedestrian for on some level,

563
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: he isn't quite that guy yet. Whereas you could say, oh,

564
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Speaker 1: he's a top five player in the league, you say

565
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: is right now, It's about expectations. For two thousand and

566
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Speaker 1: four teen seasons, and isn't that what this top. That's

567
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: what I take it as. Not you're right about the stats,

568
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: but I don't look at last season's numbers. Andrew luck

569
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Speaker 1: is I have no problem calling him the fifth best quarterback. Well,

570
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: when we were when we were putting together the making

571
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Speaker 1: the Leap list, I made a failed argument to include

572
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Speaker 1: luck because I thought he would make the leap to

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Speaker 1: superstar status. So I agree with you, and I think

574
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Speaker 1: I kind of like him on this list. That's a

575
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: just mark just showing the guts that he has in something.

576
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: He's the flashiest quarterback in the league, and that's going

577
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: to get it. I mean, like that those throws in

578
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs, like the one to the suspended now suspended Brazils,

579
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Speaker 1: I mean he makes two throws every game that no

580
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks make. Luke Kickley number ten on your list, I

581
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Speaker 1: believe you're the only one of the five of us

582
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Speaker 1: to have keikly involved Defensive Player of the Year. Luke Keickley, Yeah,

583
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Speaker 1: I I just think I look at impact and to

584
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Speaker 1: kind of impact certain players have on their teams. Too.

585
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Speaker 1: Part of it is scheme. You can't get around that.

586
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: And I think he's a guy. You take him out

587
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: of that defense, everything changes for Carolina. They wouldn't have

588
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: been a playoff team last year. That's the fair point.

589
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: I didn't put it in my top ten because I

590
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Speaker 1: don't think he's appreciably better than Lavonte David or Patrick

591
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: Willis or a healthy Navorro Bowman, much less appreciably better

592
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: than Thomas Davis. Why do you hate J J. Watt

593
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Speaker 1: so much? We all had him in the top five,

594
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to explain to JJ, who's a

595
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Speaker 1: big listener. I have met him in person and he

596
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: could destroy me in quicker than that UFC fight that

597
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: Wesley and I watched. She took care of her. It

598
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Speaker 1: happened by it wasn't going on and it was going

599
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Speaker 1: on in the room so wed, but the woman champion

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Speaker 1: took care of the challenger in maybe five and a

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Speaker 1: half seconds. But it was did you guys ride to

602
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: the bar in a motorcycle to watch your UFC and scooter?

603
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: It was It was happenstance that it was on before us.

604
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: But I will say that what um, It just goes

605
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Speaker 1: back to everyone got bumped down because I would I

606
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: wish I just done ten ten quarterbacks, all right? Anything

607
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: else with Marx list chance? Nice, nice job, Mark, you know,

608
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: move on. I have friends outside the around the league circle,

609
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: but you're very special to me. I wish you weren't

610
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: a liar. All right, Chris Westling. The scientists will go

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00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: through the mail Man's list. Number one, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning,

612
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Drew Brees, J. J. Watt. At five, Adrian Peterson,

613
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Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson, Robert Quinn, Jimmy Graham and number ten, number

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Speaker 1: ten Andrew luck dot gentleman. Me and you are the

615
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: only two they had Quinn on. What was the thought

616
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Speaker 1: process with sneaking a pass rush for the Rams on

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Speaker 1: the end of the list, I thought, uh, okay, j J.

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Speaker 1: Watched the best defensive player in the league. But I

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Speaker 1: thought Quinn had the best season of any defensive player

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Speaker 1: last year. Uh he was. I think he had seven

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Speaker 1: forced fumbles in addition to his nineteen sacks. He's the fastest,

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Speaker 1: and he's up there, okay with your h Javon Curse

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Speaker 1: and Dwight Freen is the fastest defensive ends I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: I like the idea that Bucky Brooks was telling us

625
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: about how Greg Williams is gonna get more one on

626
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: one matchups for Quinn and just that defensive It seems

627
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: like to me he's in such a position to have

628
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: an all time contract run type of season and they'll

629
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Speaker 1: have to pay Robert Quinn a ridiculous sum of money

630
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Speaker 1: next year. West. You have Jimmy Graham on your list.

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Speaker 1: Unless I'm mistaken, you're the only around the league member

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Speaker 1: to put him in the top ten. Was it hard

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Speaker 1: to put him in over Rob Gronkowski? No, because I

634
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Speaker 1: don't A lot of this list is about two thousand

635
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Speaker 1: fourteen expectations, and there's just as great as I think

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Speaker 1: Gronkowski is. He has the best age career of any

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Speaker 1: tight end in history. I just don't know what he's

638
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: gonna be coming off reconstructive knee surgery. Um, it was hard.

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Speaker 1: That was between Jamal Charles and Lashawan McCoy where my

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Speaker 1: next two people, and I chose Jimmy Graham and Luck

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Speaker 1: over them. I was gonna have Luck in my top

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Speaker 1: ten regardless, just because it's fun. I want that on

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Speaker 1: record that I had top ten. But you, like I do,

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Speaker 1: like cheating McCoy. Jamal Charles, I thought he had an

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Speaker 1: even better year than than McCoy last Yejamal Charles is

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Speaker 1: not showing up in any of our top ten lists

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Speaker 1: seems a tad unfair when you look at what he

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Speaker 1: did last year. That's fair. Jimmy Graham, though, I think

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Speaker 1: he before his planters are fashion, which nobody in the

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Speaker 1: media will ever talk about. For some reason, he tore

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Speaker 1: his plants are fashion in October lam media coverage. Was

652
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Speaker 1: averaging twenty yards per game and was discussed as the

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Speaker 1: leader for the m v P at that point in

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Speaker 1: the season, and then he went down to fifty something

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Speaker 1: yards per game after that. It's easy to forget just

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Speaker 1: how dominant he was early last season. He's had a

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Speaker 1: couple of those little nagging injuries in his career. That

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Speaker 1: wasn't the first that because he's a tight end. No

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Speaker 1: Jason Campbell in this list. Explain because I subtract one

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Speaker 1: point for every check down you throw a negative? How

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Speaker 1: the sausages made? I am surprised. Do you put Manning

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Speaker 1: over Tom Brady? Dan and I were actually talking about this,

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Speaker 1: uh about your list? That's how you know obsessed we

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Speaker 1: are with you would have put by because I do

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Speaker 1: believe if you put Brady and the Broncos offense. He

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Speaker 1: does the same thing as Manning, But I guess Dan's

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Speaker 1: point on consistency. It does matter, and from week to week,

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Speaker 1: Manning was more consistent last year, and he's going to

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Speaker 1: have better weapons again this year, so it will probably

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Speaker 1: be more consistent again. Anything else on West's list. I

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Speaker 1: just want to run through Patrick's list as well, because

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Speaker 1: he is the fifth member of a t L. He

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Speaker 1: is our Chicago correspondent one Aaron Aaron Rodgers to J. J. Watt, Peyton, Manning,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Calvin Johnson, Earl Thomas, Adrian Peterson,

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Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy, and Richard Sherman. I think ten. I think Sherman.

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Speaker 1: Did he get on anybody else's list. It's funny. Patrick's

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Speaker 1: list is almost like if you took a poll of

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Speaker 1: our four lists, it would be this top ten. So

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Speaker 1: Patrick tying it up neatly in a red bow number two.

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Speaker 1: The one difference is what number two. I do think

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Speaker 1: you can make the argument that what over the last

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Speaker 1: two years has played his position better than anyone has

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Speaker 1: played any I agree with you. I like that Patrick

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Speaker 1: also rewards the Seahawks defense. That's nice that he has

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Speaker 1: both Sherman and Thomas and which kind of relates to

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Speaker 1: how dominant they were last year. Good job, Kevin Patrack.

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Speaker 1: We love you buddy. All right, So now let's go

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Speaker 1: let's move on to something that Chris Westling wrote up

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Speaker 1: over the week, and now we're gonna cycle that's our

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Speaker 1: top tens. Now we're gonna go to the NFL Network

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Speaker 1: side of it that the players voted on. Uh, we

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Speaker 1: kind of have a general idea if you do the

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Speaker 1: processes of elimination, who's gonna be the top ten for

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Speaker 1: their list? So west felt uh safe two list his

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Speaker 1: tense snubs from the NFL Network's top players list, and

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Speaker 1: I will read off that top ten right now in order.

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, Calias Campbell, Percy Harvin, Jared's Bird, Thomas, Davis, Drell, Casey,

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Speaker 1: Carlos Dansby, Jordan Cameron, Julius Thomas, and Jason Hatcher. Those

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Speaker 1: are the top ten snubs according to Chris Westling. Greg

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Speaker 1: made a dismissive gesture or sound just now, so let's

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Speaker 1: hear what that was about. Once we got to the

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Speaker 1: Carlos Dansby, you know, we could have just left it

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Speaker 1: at six snubs or say it. People are gonna be,

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Speaker 1: you know, torching the streets, being wondering where Cardinals fans

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Speaker 1: firmly believe should have been a defensive Player of the

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Speaker 1: Year discussion last year. This is a very solid list.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I I've not followed the top one hundreds

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Speaker 1: every movement, and I already thought that Jordan Cameron was

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Speaker 1: on the top one. It disturbs me that he's not,

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Speaker 1: and that Julius Thomas is not. I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 1: You have to get Charles Clay onto your top of

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Speaker 1: one under list somehow, there you go and we and

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Speaker 1: that was right out of the gate, you know, an

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Speaker 1: infamous move that the voting process here is disturbing. Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan sev in two out of the list just because

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Speaker 1: his wide receivers got hurt and his offensive line was terrible,

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Speaker 1: and other than that, he was the exact same quarterback

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Speaker 1: to a man, anyone you ask about. And we got

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Speaker 1: a good idea of this. During the Seahawks playoff run.

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Speaker 1: Everyone speaks with reverence about Percy Harvin and and what

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Speaker 1: he brings to a team, and I mean, listen the guy.

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Speaker 1: And then he showed it in the Super Bowl. If

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Speaker 1: this is the top one players of two thousand fourteen,

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Speaker 1: how is he not anywhere going to be on the

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Speaker 1: field though two straight years he wasn't really on the field.

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Speaker 1: He had nothing to do with them making the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So if he's on most teams in the league, he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have played last year. Do you assume that he

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Speaker 1: will be on the field? Issue not really do well?

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Speaker 1: I will assume that until it's not true. I don't

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Speaker 1: have the NFL. I don't have the NFL injury predictor.

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Speaker 1: But I've been looking off all over four It turns

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Speaker 1: out was behind Gregg's couch. Look, he is uh smaller guy.

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Speaker 1: He's huge, He's he's one of the most but even

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Speaker 1: plays so aggressively, he's had a significant problem with injuries

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Speaker 1: in his career. You can't deny this. We knocked Gronk

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Speaker 1: for such the same reason. I'd not guys because I

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Speaker 1: think if I'm not sure how they're gonna look going

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Speaker 1: in this season. But Percy Harvin, yeah, that's fair. You

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Speaker 1: can't call this list best players with two thousand fourteen.

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Speaker 1: You cannot do it because if you're not gonna put

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan on this list, and you're gonna put guys

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Speaker 1: like Charles Clay on this thing, right. I think a

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00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Super Bowl win buys you a lot of stock for

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Speaker 1: a couple of seasons after it happens. And if you're

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan and you don't, and you and you get

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Speaker 1: stuck on a team that knows dives to four wins,

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Speaker 1: you're you're out real quick. A couple of relevant stats

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Speaker 1: on Matt Ryan the number of the list of quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: with a higher completion percentage over the last two years,

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, the list of quarterbacks with more yards over

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Speaker 1: the last two years, pet Manning, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 1: That's it. He was great in the first half of

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Speaker 1: last year, and people forget that because they kept losing

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Speaker 1: tough games. But every week I did those quarterback rings.

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Speaker 1: Every week I would watch Ryan and I kept sticking

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Speaker 1: him in my top five. And people were complaining because

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Speaker 1: they were losing games. But if you watched him play,

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Speaker 1: he was unbelievable. No running game, no defense, turned Harry

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Speaker 1: Douglas into a thousand yard receiver. Mark, Can I hear

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Speaker 1: some more theories of assumption about you? What? How do

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Speaker 1: we mean this? You just assume. I find the exercise

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Speaker 1: very disturbing. You need to actually decide what we're voting

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Speaker 1: on it is. You don't tell me that Matt Ryan

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Speaker 1: is not a top one player this season, starting right now,

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Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen absurdities the list out of your list,

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Speaker 1: the name that surprised me the most, just in terms

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Speaker 1: of not making I can understand how Ryan didn't make it,

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Speaker 1: just because only fourteen quarterbacks didn't rank it. And people

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Speaker 1: are stupid. They don't pick guys that win game. Jarri's

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Speaker 1: bird that seems really strange to me. Not only is

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Speaker 1: he an MVP, he's an m VP of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a enough fun to get on the list.

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Speaker 1: How is this not connecting? My only assumption is that, uh,

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Speaker 1: speaking of assumptions, my only assumption is that we don't

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Speaker 1: have enough NFL players voting that listen to the podcast,

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Speaker 1: because he certainly would have been what top four, top two?

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Speaker 1: Maybe people can't pronounce his name, they can't put him

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Speaker 1: on the list. Give the guy some respect. If there

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Speaker 1: are NFL vote, if there are voters listening, I would

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Speaker 1: like to throw out a few phrases from Mark Sessler's

782
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Speaker 1: screed on Aaron Rodgers being ranked number eleven instead of

783
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Speaker 1: in the top two or three where he belongs. Mark

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Speaker 1: wrote something where he called our precious collection of player

785
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Speaker 1: voters the same wizards who left Jimmy Graham off the

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Speaker 1: list last year. No general manager on Terra Firma would

787
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Speaker 1: leave Aaron Rodgers out of the list, and the voting

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Speaker 1: process has left Mark wondering if they're hanging chads flickering

789
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Speaker 1: in the wind. But I find I cannot wait for

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Speaker 1: the show. Then you are, well, I'm amazed, first of

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Speaker 1: all that marks the works of the company. After that post, Well,

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Speaker 1: the funny thing is reading the highly edited version. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: this is the original version. No it's not I've printed

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Speaker 1: it out version. No, this is not it. You never

795
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Speaker 1: saw the bombs in the original. This is the one

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Speaker 1: that made Westley never saw the original that it didn't

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Speaker 1: make it on the site. This reached the highest levels

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Speaker 1: of the NFL dot com editorial staff. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: even exaggerating. I was in a room with two other

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Speaker 1: executives and Mark's peace where he slammed. The list came

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Speaker 1: up and some adjustments had to be made. That's this

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Speaker 1: at all. Once again, reaffirms what we already knew. Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: the NFL's bad boy. All right, let's move on. Finally,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna supersize the show next. Being so much to

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Speaker 1: get to, are gonna a little longer than usual. So

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Speaker 1: if you're on your treadmill listening right now, or on

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Speaker 1: the elliptical machine, or you're out in the fields, you

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Speaker 1: got a lot more work to do yet, one of

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Speaker 1: our listeners. Or the vacation, which I'm happy that our

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Speaker 1: listeners are taking vacations, but made me jealous to think

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Speaker 1: that someone was listening to my voice when they were

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Speaker 1: on a beach while I was at home with an

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Speaker 1: eight months pregnant woman who also known as your wife.

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Speaker 1: She's my wife, possibly her. I mean, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: tough anybody that has has, you know, been around a

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Speaker 1: pregnant woman in the late period of the pregnancy. It

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Speaker 1: gets real. Gentlemen's yeah, not a lot of laughs being

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Speaker 1: on the beach and the Dominican Republic wherever that gentleman

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Speaker 1: was slightly higher than yours at the moment. It's something,

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Speaker 1: you know, we gotta way that way, It could go

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Speaker 1: either way, alright, good thing my wife does not listen

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Speaker 1: to our podcast. Alright, so we'll close up with the

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Speaker 1: Making the Leap. We are down to the final seven

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Speaker 1: names on the list. We'll start with Denver b Goes

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Speaker 1: running back Monty Ball, who comes in at number seven.

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Speaker 1: As I said and I wrote up this piece, I

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Speaker 1: will say that after watching uh the game tape of

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Speaker 1: Balls touches and uh, you know how he was used,

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Speaker 1: he got a lot better as the season went along. Uh,

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Speaker 1: So that that's definitely reason to be optimistic. They let

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Speaker 1: No sham Reno go in free agency and there isn't

832
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Speaker 1: a really a big push behind him in terms of competition,

833
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Speaker 1: So it looks pretty clear that the Broncos are gonna

834
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Speaker 1: lean hard on Ball as their featured guy. He's playing for,

835
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, as we know from the top ten,

836
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Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback in the world, who's playing at the

837
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Speaker 1: height of his powers, which changes how defenses have to

838
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Speaker 1: play against the run, means he'll be seeing a lot

839
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Speaker 1: of looks nickel and dime looks that will leave the

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Speaker 1: field open for him if he if he does his job.

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Speaker 1: So I think Ball is promising player who showed flashes

842
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Speaker 1: last season of being a guy that could be a

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl type player. But even uh more importantly, the

844
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Speaker 1: reason I think he makes the lead is because he's

845
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Speaker 1: in the most envious positions for any running back in

846
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Speaker 1: the league right now. No Sean Marino had six hundred

847
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Speaker 1: yards from screamings last year and over a dozen touchdowns

848
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Speaker 1: and got peanuts on the open market. What does that

849
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Speaker 1: tell you? I think what it tells me is that

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Speaker 1: people look at Denver's offense and if you're running back

851
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: in that offense, you're going to be dealing with essentially

852
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: nickel dime quarter coverage all day long. No one's stacking

853
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: the box to deal with your running back when Peyton

854
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: Manning has five high octane receivers to throw do. It

855
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: also tells you that the Broncos decided Marino left too

856
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: many yards in the field. It's this Making the leap

857
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: list is for players that we see as just wildly

858
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: talented a lot of times, but sometimes it's a situation too.

859
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: You can make the leap, And to me, his cases

860
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: basically boiled down to what you said, if if No

861
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: San Marino can get yards, then why can't Mounteball get

862
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: a little more? Ball is a better player if you

863
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: you watch it tape Ball is a really good downhill runner.

864
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: He's powerful. Uh, he's quick. H he he runs between

865
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: tackles better than Moreno does. So Yeah, going by what

866
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: Moreno did, if Ball stays healthy, he should that he

867
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: should not have any problem. I'll wait for the over

868
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: under on production until we're done with the topic. But

869
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: you know, I think that he shouldn't have any problem

870
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: putting up the type of numbers that were ear in

871
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl consideration. What like Ronnie Hillman a big disappointment

872
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: so far in Denver, but C. J. Anderson is a

873
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: sleeper to put up some numbers this season. That's not

874
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: a bad late round flyer for Fantasy LA considering the

875
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: lack of job security among backs in Denver and the

876
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: Broncos haven't told us this publicly, but their off season

877
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: moves suggests they want more physicality and power in their offense.

878
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: Moving Orlando Franklin from right tackle inside to guard a

879
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: massive player and then putting Chris Clark at right tackle.

880
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: They want to add more power to the running game,

881
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: which should help Monte Ball. Yeah, the whole line should

882
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: be better with Ryan claydie back. And Yeah, if you

883
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: want to talk about an obstacle, he did put the

884
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: ball on the ground three times, lost three fumbles earlier

885
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: in the season, which led him hitting the doghouse for

886
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: a bit. He's he didn't play in large stretches of

887
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: a week four and five seemed to clean that up

888
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: as the season went along. Let's play over undertime, gentlemen,

889
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: Monty ball, three touches, I'd go over. I'm gonna go under.

890
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: I'll go over rushing yards under, I'm gonna go under.

891
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: I also will go under ten touchdowns over who Broncos.

892
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: That's a top ten fantasy pick if you're going along

893
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: at home. And finally, fifty catches under under under one

894
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: thing real quick. On fumbling, A question for you guys,

895
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: do you attribute all the fumbling issues from Broncos backs

896
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: Hillman Marina two years ago? Mcgaye he fumbled six or

897
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: seven times to being tasked with so many responsibilities and

898
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning's offense. Maybe they can't quite get into a groove.

899
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: It's a good argument. I mean, you got too much

900
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: on your plate. M That should be the number one

901
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: priority for uns. It seemed like they're extra nervous because

902
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: if you and if you watch earlier, he had a

903
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: terrible first half of the season balded and he couldn't catch.

904
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he had stonehands. As a guy who they

905
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: uh to the Broncos credit. They kept going to him

906
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: because I think they believed what they were seeing in

907
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: the practice field. But early on in the season, the

908
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: things that the ball would bounce off his hands, he'd

909
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: be shaking his head, and he was dealing with some

910
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: confidence issues earlier. It has to be someone intimidating to

911
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: walk into that offense. Number five on our list. We'll

912
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: get to number six on Thursday. Don't question our methods,

913
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: just you know, believe in the approach, and we're gonna

914
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: get to them. No, we might even skip him. Listen,

915
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: you don't know. We might never even know who number

916
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: six is. We won't tell you unless he comes up. Here.

917
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: We go number five and actually no, look it up

918
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash making the leap. We got the

919
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: whole list there, the whole list there. Everybody on our

920
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: list here put a lot of work in these a

921
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: lot of work. Number five on the list is Patriots

922
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: linebacker Jamie Collins. Greg Rosenthal wrote up the piece, and uh,

923
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: he believes that Collins is a man that showed plenty

924
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: of promise and now we'll make the leap and become

925
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: a big time pass rusher in the Patriots defense. Tell

926
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: us why, well, you know, Bill Belichick in the eighties

927
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: essentially defined what people were looking for in three four linebackers,

928
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: like the linebackers he had with the Giants that kind

929
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: of became the prototypes, and that these are the you

930
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: know want. You want the Carl Banks in the middle,

931
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: you want these guys in the outside. And to me,

932
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: Jamie Collins has a chance to be almost that new

933
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: sort of prototype. It's not a three four or a

934
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: four three. He's not really an outside linebacker an inside linebacker.

935
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: You can play him in both. He's a two hundred

936
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: and fifty pounds six four guy who can play slot

937
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: cornerback when you ask him, who played safety in college.

938
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: He can rush the pastor well when you ask him too.

939
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: But a lot of times he's just backing up in

940
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: coverage and he's garden tight ends. He had t Y

941
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: Hilton and Levon Brazil sometimes one on one and coverage

942
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Not necessarily what you're always looking for,

943
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: but did a really nice job in coverage and can

944
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: do a little bit of everything and he gives Belichick

945
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: a chance to be more creative, and to me, Collins

946
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: is a perfect player for this era of football where

947
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: you want guys at that outside linebacker position to do

948
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. I like by the way

949
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: that you this Collins, who didn't see much work until

950
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: week fourteen. This is truly greg going out on a

951
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: on a long branch and making a leap on a

952
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: man that maybe you didn't have a lot to go off.

953
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: You think that he's just gonna the game is gonna

954
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: come to him, He's gonna process it, He's gonna be

955
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: a major figure. This is he barely played until Week fourteen. Uh,

956
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: and he really played about half the snaps for a

957
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: few games after that. Then Brandon Spikes got hurt and

958
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: he played every snap in the playoffs and his performance

959
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: against the Colts, that's the reason he's on this list.

960
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: I think it was one of the most versatile best

961
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: performances by any defensive player in the entire league last year,

962
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: not just rookies. I mean, he's covering guys, he's he

963
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: hit Andrew Luck four times. He had a great interception

964
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: in the game. Uh. He is very aggressive and run support,

965
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: which I think was the knock on him coming into

966
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: the NFL because he's a two fifty pound guy who

967
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: used to play safety, but he was very good at

968
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: that when given the chance, and just everything adds up

969
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: to a three down player, whereas the other Patriots linebackers

970
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily three down guys. And I think he'll be

971
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: on the field every down and have a chance to

972
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: make a lot of place. You were high on Brandon

973
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: Spikes and it wasn't until Spikes got injured that Collins

974
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: got his chance, and then I thought they actually that

975
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: was a better move for the defense. Maybe it took

976
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: him a while to get up to speed. That was

977
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: when you read the articles reading between the lines. Yeah,

978
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: it's a tough defense to pick up on. He wasn't

979
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: quite ready for it, but when he had to be

980
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: on the field, he was usually playing inside linebacker those

981
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: last couple of games, but he'd so often drop into

982
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: coverage and just did a great job, whether as a

983
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: slot cornerback. It just was disarming to see a guy

984
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: that's a linebacker like chasing down wide receivers from behind.

985
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: He's just a kind of an athletic freak. If you're Belichick,

986
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: is this the most excited you've been about your about

987
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: your defense and years because the emergence of Collins, but

988
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: you have Darrell Reeves, who was your headache year after year.

989
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: This is a tough deal for the rest of the

990
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: day of the East. You uh. You mentioned all all

991
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: of Jamie Collins responsibilities, how he goes out and defends

992
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: the past, tight ends running backs, even wide receivers. One

993
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: guy who didn't make the leap, but my I have

994
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: been number on our list, Emmanuel Lamior. Bengals got Lamire

995
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: into the podcast. Has a lot of the same similarities

996
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: as runs like the Wind and we'll be covering all these.

997
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: The Bengals think he's a lot like Cam Chancellor. I

998
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: hope they let Jamie Collins rush the past because he

999
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: was good at it. That's one of the reasons Lamarror

1000
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: didn't make it, because it's hard to get attention as

1001
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: a coverage linebacker. I think they will let him rush.

1002
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: And I think your point on Belichick and the nucleus

1003
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 1: they have is absolutely true. Of course I'm a Homer,

1004
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: but I think they have a better nucleus now with

1005
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, Devin mccordy, revis, Jamie Collins, Jared Mayo, where

1006
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: Belichick could be a little more creative for the first

1007
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: time in they've been very vanilla the last few years,

1008
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: so we don't know that delusion. Patriots throws res in

1009
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: his nucleus on a one year country. Well whatever, he's

1010
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: there this year. It's a one year world where just

1011
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: one more revis allowed Rex Rod. He's gonna make his

1012
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: money elsewhere next. That's fine. Vas allowed Rex Ryan to

1013
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: get creative, and I think Belichick has been very vanilla

1014
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: with play calling in the last few years. Get a

1015
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: little creative. Durrell doesn't play for the Patriots. He plays

1016
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: father Benjamin Is. It's fine, alright, over and undertime, real quick.

1017
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: Lavante David a hundred and thirty tackles, Jamie Collins Collins,

1018
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: let me do again, Jamie Collins thirty tackles, way under. Yeah,

1019
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: that's under who gets a hundred thirty tackles? You started

1020
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: that easy? And well that makes it and I I said,

1021
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: Commy Collins is making the lead. According to Greg Collins,

1022
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: to me, in his best case scenario would be the

1023
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: a f c's edition of Lavonte David and Thomas Davis

1024
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: plus about fifteen pounds, but some similarities there, seven sacks.

1025
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over. I'm going to push he will

1026
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: have seven mark out on a limb again whenever we

1027
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: do the projection, that's what you do. I like it. Well,

1028
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: let's I go with what I see. All right, that's it.

1029
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: That's it for today's podcast, a supersized edition of the

1030
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: Round the League podcast. We will be back on Thursday

1031
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: with special guests. His name came up a little earlier

1032
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: in the show, Bucky Brooks. We'll be back to Lenda's

1033
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: expertise sitting in Greg's chair. Greg will now head off

1034
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: on vacation where I'm sure he'll be doing something very

1035
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: exotic and actually told me he's gonna go watch back

1036
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: to back to back Transformers Age of Extinction three times

1037
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: in a row in the theater, have a nice vacation.

1038
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: T D's like that sounds good to match, so jealous.

1039
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: I can't believe Transformers made it back into the podcast

1040
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: the second week in all right, Yeah, that's it until

1041
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: Thursday was Dan Hanson signing off for The Sizzler, The Boss,

1042
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: The Mailman, and t Day