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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. It's a rainy day in your

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Speaker 2: Three more days, three more days until the fights take place.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, my name is Luke Thomas. This is Morning Combat. Welcome.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you joining us. As I indicated, I am

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Speaker 2: merely one half of your hosting duo. You can look

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Speaker 2: He looks pretty clean, shaven, uh, showered, looking pretty good today. BC.

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Speaker 2: What's up, bro?

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Speaker 1: I love the reality of this. I'm probably like coming

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Speaker 1: It's great, but happy to be here, Luke. And you

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Speaker 1: know you said weather report it's raining anal so that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how this show twists and turns. From here.

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Speaker 1: want to shout out this great shirt here. It's a

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Speaker 1: which has their new album, of course, the I don't

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Speaker 1: live here anymore. One of our great listeners, Tyler King

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Speaker 1: He's like, BC, I'm hitting up this concert and I

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Speaker 1: So I'm here out here representing our boy Tyler in

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Speaker 1: a great band, The War on Drugs, Luke, because we

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Speaker 1: have built something here called the community, a family, Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 2: By the way, if for the next pregame preview, whenever

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Speaker 2: I've never had this, but I bought this. They went

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? I thought you were gonna try to make me

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Speaker 1: That's well. Over dinner last night, one of my sons said,

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Speaker 1: I saw Luke's Instagram Daddy, do you have to know?

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Speaker 1: They don't say, daddy, what what are we doing here? Look,

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Speaker 2: to your podcast. Have you ever been to Augusta, Georgia? BESI,

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Speaker 1: he said, all right, how about an MK top golf

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Speaker 1: Like we can advertise compey money and get get pictures

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Speaker 2: Gonna say BC for me. The reason why I asked

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Speaker 2: right down that middle. In fact, I would say this

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Speaker 2: one Daniel Cormier's better commentating jobs, sort of addressing some

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Speaker 2: not in any way the fault of Algae Man Sterling.

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Speaker 2: When you watch it again, you get really reminded of that.

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Speaker 2: This rematch is competitive. I expect Peter Yon to win,

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Speaker 2: but it is competitive and it is interesting, and these

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, without question it's Aljamain Sterling because Luke, look,

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Speaker 1: he's incredibly talented and I don't necessarily like the disparagement

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Speaker 1: fun fight to watch. Al Jo's got a change. I

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Speaker 1: In fact, we just both talked about that. You know,

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Speaker 1: You start slow and you begin to wear dudes down.

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Speaker 2: don't know that that was the wrong idea, to be

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing, dude, It's like Yahn's whole

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you take that away from him

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Speaker 2: your point, you ray yo Yan's takedown defense and scrambling

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00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,560
Speaker 2: ability is maybe the most underrated in all of the UFC.

432
00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,639
Speaker 2: It's so good and Sterling was able to have a

433
00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,200
Speaker 2: couple of moments of success, but nothing sustained. I'll just

434
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Speaker 2: say this way, man, this is an uphill climb for

435
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Speaker 2: Alja Man Sterling.

436
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Speaker 1: I really believe that I would agree with you on that.

437
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,560
Speaker 1: But Luke, to come back to the basis of me saying, Okay,

438
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: we can fall in love with how we think this

439
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 1: ends in the narratives that we saw the first time

440
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,199
Speaker 1: and how they adapt to the second. But these are

441
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,320
Speaker 1: still two of the top fifteen fighters in the world

442
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 1: right now fighting off against each other in the sports

443
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,159
Speaker 1: deepest division. Is that an incorrect statement?

444
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 2: Certainly, Yan is I don't know where Sterling is ranked,

445
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,440
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean these are you know, are these

446
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,920
Speaker 2: the two of the three best bantam weights on earth? Yes?

447
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 2: Without question.

448
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 1: So Luke, we're gonna have to see, in my eyes,

449
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,440
Speaker 1: a different approach to this, because he's already kind of

450
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:56,919
Speaker 1: seen what the end of the movie looks like when

451
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 1: you get into a championship fight with Yan and you

452
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 1: don't make those adjustment. So when you look at the

453
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Speaker 1: advantages that Sterling brings to the table. I love Yon's

454
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Speaker 1: takedown defense, but his back also touched the mat in

455
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Speaker 1: that first round, and it's there for al Joe if

456
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Speaker 1: he can time it and take this fight to the ground.

457
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,400
Speaker 1: But what he was unable to do in the first

458
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 1: fight was have success. Are there adjustments on the ground

459
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the strategy that him and coach

460
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 1: Ray Longo are looking to develop the second time around.

461
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 1: The problem with facing a guy like Pyotr Jan is

462
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 1: you don't really see holes to game plan for, and

463
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 1: like you just said, he's constantly adjusting. Is there something

464
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 1: ground focused using the fact that that Sterling is is

465
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Speaker 1: a very fast starter. I mean, dude, that went over

466
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Speaker 1: San Haigen still looks fricking great because it was how

467
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 1: much more could he just focus on this being a

468
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Speaker 1: ground fight and try to capitalize this time?

469
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Speaker 2: I go back to what Gilbert Burns told us. I

470
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Speaker 2: think if Sterling, or really any fighter tries to go

471
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Speaker 2: and really like tightly control him, you know, hold him down,

472
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: press him down, I don't think that's gonna work. He

473
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 2: is too strong underneath. His scrambling ability is just dynamic

474
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Speaker 2: as any other elite fighter I've ever seen. But maybe

475
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 2: there might be a way, and again you'd have to

476
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 2: train specifically for this. But remember Gilbert Burns was saying,

477
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 2: these wrestling guys they have different moves along the cage

478
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 2: where they don't use as much energy and whatnot. I

479
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: was watching this video on some channel that just sort

480
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 2: of popped up in my YouTube feed of Islam Makachev

481
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: showing something against the cage. When you're pressing someone in

482
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 2: they give you the wizard, you don't try and just

483
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 2: level change and pick them up. Just take them backwards.

484
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 2: As they move their arms in certain directions and they

485
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Speaker 2: shift their weight, just take them that way. And he

486
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 2: was talking about how much more efficient it is and

487
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Speaker 2: it takes less energy. I wonder if some of those

488
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Speaker 2: things are what Burns is talking about. And to answer

489
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Speaker 2: the question with al Jamain Sterling, you know, you know,

490
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: you know that eventually Peteryan's going to get to his base,

491
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Speaker 2: and you know that he's probably gonna get away at

492
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Speaker 2: some point. Why not build up more of a game plan? Again,

493
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: easier said than done, but why not build a game

494
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Speaker 2: plan to the extent possible that doesn't account for trying

495
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: to hold him down at all costs, but lets him

496
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: move a little bit and it frees you to open

497
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Speaker 2: up with the ground and pound. I think that is

498
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Speaker 2: something I would like to see a little bit more,

499
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: because we know Sterling has good submissions, right, but just

500
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 2: hunting a submission for the throat from the back, if

501
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: you can even get to the back, it's pretty hard

502
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 2: to do. On Yon, he's good about keeping his limbs

503
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: close to his body when he needs to and everything

504
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: else that goes along with submission defense. But if you

505
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: can let him rotate to his base, grabble wrist, and

506
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,479
Speaker 2: then just start firing, excuse me, I really believe that

507
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: that is something different he could do score meaningful points.

508
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: Really kind of get Yon thinking about the defense. That

509
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 2: was the weird part to me. TOBC. In the first fight,

510
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: the first two rounds, you can see Yan is very

511
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 2: much looking at the offense that Sterling has to offer,

512
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 2: and he's trying to do his best to keep up

513
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 2: with it, and blah blah blah lands a little bit

514
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: of his offense on his own. The third round starts,

515
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 2: and it as if he was utterly unconcerned with it,

516
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 2: like it didn't exist at all. But for a little

517
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: bit of covering up he needed to do with a

518
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Speaker 2: high guard. I mean, I think there's gotta be some

519
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: kind of way body work. I think was one of

520
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 2: them at range. But to answer your question on the ground,

521
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: don't try and hold him down at all costs. Make

522
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: him scramble, and in that scramble find openings for big,

523
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: big damage. I think that might get you a little

524
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Speaker 2: bit further because I just don't think holding him down

525
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 2: is really gonna do anything.

526
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Speaker 1: And once John was able to make that adjustment, I

527
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: said started the third it was really in the mid

528
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: second to be able to can not only consistently stuff

529
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: to take down, but sprawl and almost pin Al Joe down.

530
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Speaker 1: I wonder if he just said, Okay, this door is closed,

531
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Luke that door. It's hard to imagine if that door

532
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: stays closed, that Al Joe wins this fight. But look,

533
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: he's longer, he's an incredible athlete. I wonder if he

534
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: looks to do the opposite. I wonder if he looks

535
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Speaker 1: to slow down the pace and try to point fight

536
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: a little bit, winning from the outside to try to

537
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: save some of that thunder for late. Is that a

538
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 1: better strategy. I don't know. We're gonna find out on

539
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: Saturday night. I just wanted to sort of, you know,

540
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: remind everybody. I'm pretty damn excited for this fight. Luke,

541
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't like that we're hair. I don't like that

542
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: somebody can win a championship off of DQ. I get

543
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: why that rules in place so that champions don't pull

544
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: a pro wrestling and just you know, hit the referee

545
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: to keep their title. But for a worst case scenario,

546
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: still really like this fight, Luke, I do do.

547
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, what effect, what role at all,

548
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: will Yon's coaches being basically not here have on him

549
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: in the fight.

550
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell, Luke, It's hard to tell. It's

551
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: hard to tell, uh. I mean, you know, some guys

552
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: are uber dependent upon that direction. Some guys are you know,

553
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: they're taught during training camp and they go out there

554
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: and perform. I can't speak that for him, but it's

555
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: something certainly to watch. But do you agree with essentially

556
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Where like, across the board people are like,

557
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I saw that first one. Sterling's got no

558
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: chance in this rematch. It's really hard to say that

559
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: given the skill level of both Luke, I mean.

560
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't agree with

561
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: that at all, or he's gotten note. I mean that

562
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: seems very silly. I get that people are upset with

563
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: him and blah blah blah, but no, that's very foolish,

564
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: especially to your point. Like, man, if you slip up

565
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: at all and he finds your back, you're in trouble.

566
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: You're in big trouble. I mean, of course I'll take

567
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: it to your point, but the other fights he's done

568
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: that as well. Also, remember who did he get it

569
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: on to Keya Mizugaki where he got an arm triangle

570
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 2: hanging underneath him. I cannot explain how strong you have

571
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: to be to pull that. That is, dude, that I

572
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: mean understand something about that choke. A lot of the

573
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: ways it was previously taught and still taught. You don't

574
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: want to have symmetry with your opponent. You actually want

575
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: to create an angle. And the reason why it's very simple.

576
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: It's like you're tightening the faucet to the right to

577
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: get it to go. That's what the purpose is to

578
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: be able to like not have that angle, and then

579
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 2: you're hanging underneath so you can't drive the force of

580
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 2: gravity underneath. It literally has to be all muscled that

581
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: is a level of strength that is absurd, absurd grappling strength.

582
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: So to that point, yes, I favor you on and

583
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: we'll do some predictions officially on Friday. But this is

584
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: this is not a gimme by any stretch of the imagination.

585
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: So here then, BC. Yeah, who's the number one contender?

586
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: TJ Dillashaw? We think right, but he's got the injury.

587
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: So if Yon wins or Sterling wins, what the hell

588
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: is next?

589
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: You know it may be jose aldough I and some

590
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: people got mad at me. I made a comment sort

591
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: of in passing when we talked on Monday Show about

592
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: you know, all those living a little bit more off

593
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: the name than the true eliability these days, and I

594
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: didn't mean that as harsh as it sounded. He's won

595
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: three in a row, and his most recent victory over

596
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: Rob font was just such a damn. The legend still here, Luke.

597
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: The legend has a legendary name, and that really helps

598
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: you when you're up at the top and promoters are

599
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: looking to make continue to make a name for whoever

600
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: wins this championship fight on Saturday night. I mean, Jose

601
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: Aldo would be the perfect opponent for either man coming

602
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: out of here next, Luke, as a way to really,

603
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, you feed your old to you're young traditionally

604
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: in this game. But it also be a great fight

605
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: because Jose Aldo's still got heavy steam left. I think

606
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: Dilla Shaw is more deserving. But you know, there was

607
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: a lot of talk, Hey how about Jose just fights

608
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: Dila Sean and a number one contenders fight. Do you

609
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: have an update on TJ's potential recovery.

610
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: No, I mean obviously since the fight with Sanagan he

611
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 2: had to get surgery on his knee. Again, that's not

612
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: gonna be a quick turnaround at all. So probably twenty

613
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: twenty three to be our late this year, twenty twenty three,

614
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: to be with you.

615
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: When you look at the top ten, Luke, you got

616
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: all Do at three. Both Sanagan at four and Rob

617
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: Fon at five are coming off of defeats, and then

618
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: he got Marov de Villa Shilly at six, Luke, so

619
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: you Dominic Cruz right behind that. So uh, you know,

620
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate. I wouldn't hate, although getting in there

621
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: next and maybe doing Morob versus cruise or at all.

622
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I think it's good. I like

623
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: that A lot.

624
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, because look, Stirley's got

625
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: his name drabbed through them the mud of the last

626
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: thirteen months, you know, up and down reasons that are

627
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: largely unfair. But but we understand nobody's talk about about

628
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: Peter Jahan. In fact, I said earlier, Luke, guys so

629
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: well rounded. I'm not even sure you can find a

630
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: hole in his game to expose. Well, how about this hole?

631
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: Not this a hole? How about this hole?

632
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: Luke?

633
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: On the biggest stage, in the championship round, he made

634
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: a cardinal sin that you can't do, a an obvious

635
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: mistake in which the referee had just like kind of

636
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: warned him a couple seconds earlier, saying down down, opponent down,

637
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: and then he follows through you did add the cavea

638
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: out of his coaches being unable to travel. Look, no

639
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: one's without a weakness, no one's without you know, a

640
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: chance to be exposed. Is there something there, luc Or?

641
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: Is this just you know, Chris Weber calling a time

642
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: out when he didn't have one in the championship against

643
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: North Carolina. It is what it is, and you move forward.

644
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Or is there something more here?

645
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, if he was Russell Westbrook about a

646
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: month ago, where he was getting clowned by the entire

647
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: league for just a constant series of comical errors. Maybe

648
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: you would be like Jesus, like, what is gonna happen?

649
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: Greg Hardy? You just I mean, I'm going he got

650
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: cut by UFC, But you just knew every time he

651
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: was gonna go out there, something crazy was gonna happen

652
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: follows him. This was an egregious foul. When you go

653
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: back and you watch it again, you're like, Jesus, what

654
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: was he thinking? I mean, this is just like no

655
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: issue at all. He was in the wrong, like flatly.

656
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: But I don't think he's got a habit of that.

657
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: Maybe you could say some of that in the Jose

658
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: Aldo fight with shots to the back of the head,

659
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: But even then that's you know, I don't know if

660
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: that's a pattern per se. I don't I just don't

661
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: see a pattern of error proneness. I don't see a

662
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: pattern of cheating to get ahead in any kind of

663
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Speaker 2: real way. And this one cost him big time. If anything,

664
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Speaker 2: b C, there's a decent chance he might be a

665
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: little bit more cautious about what to throw it in

666
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: certain positions. Only time will tell, but I guess I

667
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: just don't see that as a overbearing concern for me.

668
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: Look to be clear here in my reaction to your

669
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: question about what who could be next? And although just

670
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: seems to be in a great spot with TJ still hurt,

671
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, I had forgotten for a second that although

672
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: fought Yan and that it went disastrously bad rabbit punches

673
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: to the back of the head or not, you know,

674
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: would you see them going back to that if Yon

675
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Speaker 1: wins this on Saturday. I don't.

676
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: I don't They couldn't. I mean, I don't think. I

677
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: don't think it's the likeliest possibility, but I think it's

678
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: not unlikely if Yon wins. I don't think it's unlikely,

679
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: all right. It's just just based on his need to

680
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: keep compete and keep the title fresh and Dila Shaw

681
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 2: being unavailable, Sanhagen already losing, you know, I'm not sure

682
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: which're s and I know Aldo already lost, but Aldo's

683
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: on a three fight win, Stryk is undicated, just beat

684
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: Rob Font, Sanhagen's coming off of the lost to Yon,

685
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: so there's no other place left to go. Yeah, I mean,

686
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: they could I mean, or they bring Triple C back

687
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: you know who the hell knows.

688
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: That's another thing that's okay that you know what, you

689
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: know what, that would be the time to slide them

690
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: back in. It's a much more realistic fight for UFC

691
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: to leap to make than to give uh Triple C

692
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: the chance at history by fighting Volkanovski. They don't like win.

693
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: Fighters take control of their own destinies and walk away

694
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: and leave the titles, you know, on their own terms.

695
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: But if you look at what's the biggest fight we

696
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: can make, and if Yon wins and we already did

697
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: all though, and TJ's not ready, and no one else

698
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: is really right there, dude, Yan versus Shudo is just

699
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: a hell of a matchup, Luke, that's like central casting.

700
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: That's a great fight. So I like that you brought

701
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: that up. We're certainly seeing Suhudo much more vocal about

702
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: saying I'll go to Moscow, you know, like he seems

703
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: he seems ready. Look, it seems like Sandra Shudo has

704
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: gotten the break that he's needed. He's exercised some level

705
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: of control over his name and brand. Whatever it gets him,

706
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: we don't know, but he's stepped away and said I'm

707
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: gonna do what I want he comes back and fights

708
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: Yan and wins that. Man. Wow, you know, because I

709
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: because Luke, you know, Yon looks like if he can

710
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: put this DQ loss behind him, that even with how

711
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: crazy deep this division is, dude, he looks like the

712
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: face of this division for a while to come. I

713
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: mean he looks like that dude, right, he's that guy. Man,

714
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: He's the fucking guy. I mean, Yon's a badass, Luke.

715
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: I mean, did you watch the did you watch the countdown?

716
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 1: Not all the way? I skimmed it a little bit.

717
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: Look, so I mean Korean Zombie is at fight ready

718
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: his gym in Arizona training with him. Then of course,

719
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: you recall look what Henry Sujuto did for Devison Figuredo,

720
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens with John Jones.

721
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: And you who.

722
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: Did not win, but certainly performed a lot better in

723
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: the second fight than she did the first. Like, clearly, dude,

724
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: Henry is talented, and clearly he has an eye for

725
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: coaching and detail. You see him going back and forth

726
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: chirpinet MacGregor. But the stuff he tells McGregor is all correct.

727
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: So you know, I really I have a lot of

728
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: respect for Henry Suhuto. That to me is a bit

729
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: of an X factor if Yon wins. You know again,

730
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: does the Aldo fight and super inspire me? Not so much,

731
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: but I recognize it's okay. But a triple Sea fight now,

732
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: that is where the to me, all the intrigue belongs.

733
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 2: I would love to see that. By the way, you

734
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: spoke to Mighty Mouse about this fight?

735
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: Did you not let me tee you this up? So

736
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: I talked with the great Demetrius Johnson Mighty Mouse, fresh

737
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: off of his one ex Mixed Rules victory over Rod Tang,

738
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: which we got into at late at length. This interview

739
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: will go live today this afternoon, a couple hours after

740
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: MK is over. But Luke among many topics over nearly

741
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Look, I'll say this right, I've interviewed him

742
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: a lot of times and it hasn't always gone excitedly.

743
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: It's DJ's personality, it is what it is. He's happy

744
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: now these days, so you get a more lively chat

745
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: with him, and it's great to see. But I did

746
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: specifically say ask his thoughts, and the reason why I

747
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: asked his thoughts on Jon Sterling two is we know

748
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: about the rehydration rules in one and DJ told me

749
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: straight up, dude, I'm never cut into one twenty five again.

750
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: I cannot make it on you know, and be healthy.

751
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: So he's fighting at flyweight. Of course in one he

752
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: lost to Adriana Moris in his last title fight, but

753
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: they get to rehydrate up. So he's basically calling himself

754
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: a bantam weight in terms of UFC concerns. So, as

755
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about who are the best one

756
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: to thirty five ers in the world today, and I said, look,

757
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: who's gonna win this fight Saturday night. Let's see what

758
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: he had to say.

759
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: I think Peter Gan I like Azemaster, but I think

760
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: Peter Ron beats him. Like Peter Juran has a very

761
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: interesting way of going about how he beats people. And

762
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 3: I think if you watched the first fight, Peter Ryan

763
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 3: was just letting a staring to get off on him,

764
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: and I think that's what he does. Like he covers up.

765
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: He has a certain way he covers up where he

766
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: can take a shot and he's able to give his shot.

767
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: I think he's way more explosive on the feet, like

768
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 3: with his combinations, which is that his boxing is far

769
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: superior in that division. And I think he's gonna be

770
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 3: able to stop a Sterling's takedown and you know, end

771
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 3: up on top. But you know, aldrim Serlin said he

772
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: had a legendary camp. He came off an injury in

773
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: his neck. So I mean, Amaury could get it done,

774
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 3: like with his grappling, his submission, and it's fighting. He's

775
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: mixed martial arts. But if I had to, if my

776
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: kids are like daddy, who you think isone of Like

777
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 3: I think Peter RAN's souse. I think that first fight

778
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: he was taking all algem mastering shots and defending the takedown.

779
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: Dude, DJ is smart as shit.

780
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: No, dude, he should get a TV gig or a

781
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: pop I know. I know he's been streaming video games forever,

782
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: but he's really good. Luke and I think he's he's

783
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: come out of his shell more and maybe now that

784
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: he's happier, the one thing that's so key with him,

785
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: Luke and we get into that, not to make this

786
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: more about him than they on fight, but uh, you know,

787
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: he's never cared about legacy rankings, what people say about him. Like,

788
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: he's very secure and balanced in who he is as

789
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: a man and I and it comes through in this

790
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: interview and I respect it a lot, but Luke, a

791
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: little cliffhanger teaser for people to check out this Later today,

792
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: I did ask him what his fighting future looks like.

793
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: How many more years would he come back to the UFC?

794
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: Is it one or nothing?

795
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: Uh?

796
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: You can find that out by watching the video. But Luke,

797
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: could you even imagine as much as you know him

798
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: versus Adriana Morice in a rematch would be would be

799
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: a heck of a fight. Could you imagine him and

800
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: re entering the one thirty five class at I at

801
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: either the UFC or even bantam way at at Bellator

802
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: which has a huge turn and going on and countless names.

803
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Luked, you almost have forgot that this guy's

804
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: still among the best, you know, ten fighters in the

805
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: world right now?

806
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what is he thirty five? So you

807
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: don't you know, you know, it's not exactly the youngest

808
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: guy in the world, but he's got all this veteran experience.

809
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: He's got he's seen everything you could possibly see, you know.

810
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: I mean that the guy is just as talented as

811
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: they come, as experienced as they come, and I think

812
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: among hardcres as well liked as as it gets as well,

813
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: the casual fan based you know, whatever you want to

814
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: say about them. But I would love to see him.

815
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: I realize it's not possible. And part of the reason

816
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: why I think he's happy is because, you know, ONE

817
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 2: caters to him in a way that UFC just doesn't

818
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 2: cater to anybody. So good for him. He's in a

819
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: place that he should be, I think, and they're tough

820
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: fights over there for him as well. Obviously the Maris

821
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: fight didn't go his way. But but to answer your question,

822
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: like if he was back in Bellatoor UFC, do he

823
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: be us?

824
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: There's money? There is money fights. Should he want to

825
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: play out the tail end of his thirties, you know,

826
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: shopping from organization organization? There are big money fights. Because Luke,

827
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: you remember, or the tail end of his flyweight run,

828
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: he was unwilling to go back up to one thirty five.

829
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: It didn't interest him. We all wanted them to fight

830
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: Dominic Cruz in a rematchine become a two division champion.

831
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: He didn't care about it. I wonder if you know

832
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: now that he's happier, he's well paid, maybe maybe he

833
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: cared well. You know, watch the interview, you'll find out.

834
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: Luk Okay, all right, let's move to topic number two.

835
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Fair enough, can't wait to see it. Topic number two.

836
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 2: This is the one that everyone is talking about. Gilbert

837
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: Burns takes on Hamsatcham I having in a welterweight clash.

838
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: This will be the feature fights without the main coming

839
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: with the one just below it BC very simple question

840
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: to start this conversation, why is this? Anecdotally it seems like,

841
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: why is this by far the most popular fan interested

842
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: fight on this card. I have my own theories, but

843
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: let me hear yours.

844
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: Uh, because look what we've talked about this, and I've

845
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: sort of looked it up and debated and wrecked my head,

846
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: Like when have you seen, you know, a meteoric rise

847
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: in a debut where somebody can come on the scene

848
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: of the UFC, the highest level of this sport and

849
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: go from unknown or contender or you know or prospect

850
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: to like instant title contender where you really have no

851
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: no understanding of where that ceiling is. We've got a

852
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: guy here, Luke Okay, who you can just tell, you know,

853
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: emotionally his background in Chechena and Russia, like he's just

854
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: built differently. He willingly takes on almost this fun villainous character,

855
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: and yet he can go across two divisions. He's got

856
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: sick knockout power, and he doesn't just have a great

857
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: round game when you rewatch these dismantlings he's had in

858
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: this four UFC appearances, including Luke how you don't even

859
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: want to say easy. It was against Lee's young young

860
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: it was like, I mean, dude, it was like a

861
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: purposeful beating in which, let's not forget he picked up

862
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: Lee slammed him purposely in front of Dana White and

863
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: then is like talking, I mean, this guy, Luke is

864
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: not just oh shit, should he be fighting Kamaru? Now,

865
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: it's this guy is one of those special He's screaming

866
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: that he is one of those special ones, the kind

867
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: of like, you know, the kind of shit we haven't

868
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: seen since John Jones was rising like like that all

869
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: sounds like ridiculous hyperbole, Luke. And at times when I

870
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: look at these betting odds, I'm like, nah, come on,

871
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: come on, bro. He's never fought past the second round

872
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: in his life, and now we're put in there with

873
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: Gilbert Burns. But Luke, he goes up to middleweight, knocks

874
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 1: out Meershark like nothing comes back down to welterweight after

875
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: a year off and two you know, disastrous battles with

876
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: COVID in which he was basically retiring online and dude,

877
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: he chewed up and spit out one of the toughest

878
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: outs in any division in jiong Leon and just was like,

879
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: I want it all and I want it now. Luke

880
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: brought Lesner as an interesting comparison because he came on

881
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: the scene with such little experience and then was instantly

882
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: a title contender and won the championship right after the

883
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: loss to Mirror and then rebound and then he's right

884
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: in it. This is different because Tamayav didn't come over

885
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: here outside of really that twenty seventeen Brian Stan interview

886
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: that keeps getting played now where he predicted that there's

887
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: this guy in Sweden that's coming on and he'll be

888
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: here one day. Outside of that, Luke, when do you

889
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: remember hearing Tremaiav's name before twenty twenty when he comes

890
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: out on the scene in the middle of the pandemic

891
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: opportunistically whins three fights, including two and ten days, Like

892
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: this guy came from seemingly seemingly out of nowhere in

893
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: terms of the mainstream public eye. And now you're like, dude,

894
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he rolls through Gilbert Burns like

895
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: he like the oddsmakers are telling you, I'm not sure

896
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: he shouldn't be favored over Kamara Usman, dude, Camas wants

897
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: the pound for Palm, best fighter in the world, and

898
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: on his way to entering the Goat upper room, and

899
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: we're like, you know what, I'm really not sure. And

900
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: look for anyone that heard that and was like, come on,

901
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: watch the four fights in a row and tell yourself

902
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: anything different. Luke, I don't know if this guy could

903
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: possibly keep this. I met him going at this level.

904
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: But the reason why this is the quote unquote people's

905
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: main event, and the reason why the online numbers are

906
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: butchering the two fights above it is because we not

907
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: only have someone potentially super special in Tremaiev, but we

908
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: got the freaking most battle tested, savage, badass guy standing

909
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: across from him in thirty five year old Gilbert Burns.

910
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: That this is a hell of a matchmaking job by

911
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: Sean Shelby and Nickmaynard. That's why, Luke, that's frickin' why.

912
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: Okay, credits to Gilbert Burns and he showed us the

913
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: messages on his WhatsApp to his manager. He requested this,

914
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: So you gotta give Gilbert Burns like they didn't. I

915
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: don't know if they forced us on him. It seems

916
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: to me like he was electing to take it and

917
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: then a bare minimum did so. I just want to

918
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: make sure that Gilbert gets some credit here that he

919
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily strong armed into taking it. But BC I

920
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 2: saw a tweet from Aaron, our friend, Aaron bron Setter.

921
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 2: I didn't get a chance to see the video because

922
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: it was blocked. You can only see if you're in Canada.

923
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: But it was a really interesting question. Who's having a

924
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: debate with Robin Black and he was Apparently the argument

925
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: was is Hamza Chemaiev the greatest prospect in UFC history?

926
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: He might be, He might be, I would say if

927
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: he beats Gilbert Burns, and there's no question that he is.

928
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: To your point with the brock Lesner, the brock Lester,

929
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: I remember, if your folks who don't remember the ads

930
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: when he came in into two thousand and nine, two

931
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, whatever it was, there was this video

932
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: package that the UFC made and it was like from

933
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: the ring to the cage, and they showed Lesner in

934
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: like his wrestling outfit, like grabbing the ropes, and then

935
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 2: it switches to him with the gloves on, and it

936
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: was this. You know, they were playing off of the

937
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: existing popularity and fan base that he had achieved from

938
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: his time in college, in the NFL, but obviously mostly

939
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: from professional wrestling. To your point, Hamzac came out of

940
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: the darkness. He's like Bane ready to fight Batman. You

941
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like you, you immediately adopted the darkness.

942
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: I was born into it, molded by it. It feels

943
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: like that a little bit. You know. Whether he is

944
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: the greatest prospect in UFC history is certainly a matter

945
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 2: of debate, and I wish I could see that video,

946
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: but I'll say this BC, this is a historic about

947
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: truly historic bout and I made a point yesterday in

948
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: arguing about this. It reminds me very much of Daniel

949
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: Cormier heading into the Josh Barnett fight to win the

950
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix. And it reminds me of Saint

951
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: Pierre just before the Frank Trig fight at UFC fifty four.

952
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: Because you get these moments where someone is on their

953
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 2: way and you can clearly see that like something big

954
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: is gonna happen, but you don't know exactly how and

955
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: when and what's gonna happen. And then in his I

956
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: think it was his tenth or eleventh pro fight, Cormier

957
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: actually won against Josh Barnett, and then we knew, Okay,

958
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: this guy's championship material.

959
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: It's a great comparison, Luke, that's a great comparison because

960
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: despite the Olympic pedigree, right in the wrestling credentials, dude,

961
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: no one. No one thought, dude, seriously, unless you're a

962
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: hardcore amateur wrestling fan, when he when he was the

963
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: late alternate to fill in and that Grand Prix, you're like, who.

964
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then remember he beat Bigfoot and you're like,

965
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: like he just smoked him like it was nothing, and

966
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: you were like, whoa, Okay, where is this going? And

967
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: then he beat Barnett the way he did, And then

968
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: what's the significance of this of GSP over trig of

969
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: of Cormier over Barnett. It's that. And by the way,

970
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: these all happened around ten or eleven fights. If you

971
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: look at him. For Hamsat this is his eleventh. For

972
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: GSP that was his eleventh, and for Corma, I think

973
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: that was his tenth or eleventh. It happens right around

974
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: this moment where someone who is clearly destined for something big,

975
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: how big, we don't know, but someone who's clearly good.

976
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: They get a contender who's not just highly ranked or good.

977
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: But if they can beat that contender, it shows you

978
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: that they're ready for the championship level. It showed maybe

979
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: not like the next fight, but like their championship material.

980
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: That's what it shows you. That's what this fight is.

981
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: If hamzat Chemaiev beats Gilbert Burns, ladies and gentlemen, make

982
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 2: not a single mistake about it, he is ready for

983
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: a title shot. Burns is that good. And again I'm

984
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: not talking some controversial win or he squeaked by or

985
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: the judges fucked it up. I'm talking about imagine the

986
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: scenario where, no doubt about it, he was the better guy.

987
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 2: If you beat a guy like Gilbert Burns in your

988
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: eleventh MMA fight, motherfucker's he is ready for the title

989
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: after that. That's how good he would be. And so

990
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: for those reasons, I want folks to understand this is

991
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: a historic bout.

992
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: I think you're right, that's the right way to frame it.

993
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: And I didn't think of that. We're using that word,

994
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: but it makes sense and you look at that that

995
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: there's times that doors open when someone's coming on, whether

996
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: it's out of nowhere like this, or they surge and

997
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: put it all together, and sometimes they're able to do

998
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: things that you don't think is possible. The McGregor magic

999
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: of twenty fifteen and sixteen. We're just like, dude, did

1000
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: anyone think he's gonna knock out all Though with one punch,

1001
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: then win the lightweight title and then get the biggest

1002
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: fight ever against Floyd know what? Right out of Sonia Luke.

1003
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: There was a window there where we're like, maybe he's

1004
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: gonna move up and beat Blahovich and then maybe fight

1005
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: John Jones for the heavyweight title. Sometimes there's these openings, Dude,

1006
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: there is a potential opening, and it's putting talk about

1007
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: putting pressure on somebody who's still largely unproven. This is

1008
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: the largest amount of pressure put on one man's shoulders.

1009
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: But there is an opening here where if he handles

1010
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: Gilbert Burns with the ease that Luke. I've been taking note.

1011
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: Every single analyst is saying, you know what, I don't

1012
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: want to believe in these fight odds, but you kind

1013
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: of have to. Could you imagine if he then goes

1014
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: and defeats usman, dude, we are going to be taking

1015
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: out all of our drums and banging them for him

1016
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: versus Ata Sonia. Dude. There is a path potentially for

1017
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: him to go down that you know, very few ever

1018
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: get a chance to even sniff the possibility of. That's

1019
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 1: why we are this excited, as you said, well said there.

1020
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: But look, I don't know. He could come out there

1021
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: and be eighty percent of what he think what we

1022
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: think he is, and still lose and then still rebound.

1023
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: But you know, we've been fooled before by prospects. I

1024
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: always talk about, you know, Tom Duke and Wa douhu Choi.

1025
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: I mean these are guys where I was like, man,

1026
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: that's my guy right there, right. You know, sometimes it

1027
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: just doesn't work out. I don't remember short of John

1028
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: Jones in that early run ever, feeling like somebody is

1029
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: so mean, even Johnny Walker. Right, You're like, those are

1030
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: some freak knockouts. But dude, I gotta see more. I

1031
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: don't remember having this much confidence in someone this early,

1032
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: and I certainly don't remember the odds makers looking at

1033
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: a great, tough, difficult fight on paper and going minus

1034
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: seven hundred hums that chamaia, Yep, that's the right that's

1035
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: the right line. We're gonna start right there. Like holy shit, Luke, I.

1036
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: Love your point. I love your point about like McGregor

1037
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: beating Jose Alda with one punch and then beating Eddie

1038
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: Alvarez like something it's just impossible to imagine, and it

1039
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 2: actually happened. Same thing with John Jones, Like I knew

1040
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: he beat matt Ushenko, but matt Ushenko was a really

1041
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: good wrestler and John just fucking toyed with him. Or

1042
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: Brandon Vera, dude, Brandon Vera is now a natural heavyweight,

1043
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: but like you know, he was. I realized that the

1044
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: name Brandon Vera for some folks are like, oh, he

1045
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: was the guy that fizzled out. But there was a

1046
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: time when he was beating the Islers in the frank

1047
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: Mirs of the world, and it was like looking unbeatable,

1048
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 2: and I knew John would beat him, but I was like, Okay,

1049
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: this could be reasonably an interesting competitive and then John

1050
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: just fucking mowed him down. You know, this is the thing.

1051
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: You just things you can't even see. Then they just happen,

1052
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: not just not just like they happened, but like they

1053
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: happen with authority. I don't know what's gonna happened on Saturday,

1054
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: but I will say that if a guy like Hamzat

1055
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: does this, not only is about historic, that's a historic

1056
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: win that you can add as maybe one of the

1057
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: more impressive wins for anyone in all of MMA, given

1058
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: the relative youth, given the relative inexperience, and given the

1059
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: extraordinary difficulty that comes with beating This isn't a Gilbert

1060
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: Burns on the couch, dude. This isn't a Gilbert Burns

1061
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: kind of taking this halfway seriously, this is Gilbert Burns going,

1062
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 2: I'm all fucking in for Hamza to beat that guy.

1063
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: Holy shit.

1064
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we talked about a lot of it

1065
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: from our Gilbert Burns interview because it was such a

1066
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: great chat, and shout out to Gilbert for being that

1067
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: open obviously, but like, not only is Gilbert all of

1068
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: those credentials and experience and he dropped the best fighter

1069
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: in the World Usman in the first round of their matchup, Like,

1070
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: let's not forget that two fights ago, but he is

1071
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: also taking this as serious as it needs. Where he's

1072
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: training with Usman, he's got the two mystery Russian men.

1073
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: One could be Habib for all we know. Like you

1074
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: saw the video Danny Segura put out for him a

1075
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: junkie of the of the absurd strength training that Burns

1076
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: is doing ahead of this fight, Like, not only is

1077
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: this so stupid of a tough matchup this early for

1078
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: Tremaiev considering again he's never been past the second round,

1079
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: but Burns is like no fucking stone left unturned to

1080
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: prepare for this, and yet that line is not moving, Luke,

1081
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean like it is. It's wild, dude, It is wild,

1082
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: the expectations of Tremaiev. And once again I tell you

1083
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: the proofs in the put In Floyd, go back and

1084
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: rewatch those four fights. Luke, could you say anything else?

1085
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: Could you? I Like, what we don't know about him

1086
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: yet still is what makes this such a great Like

1087
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: you could shift this to the main event. Nobody's complaining, nobody, Luke.

1088
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: And here's the other part that no one's talking about.

1089
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: What if Gilbert Burns wins. What if he win? What

1090
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: if he wins in a way that we're not expecting?

1091
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: Where I mean I I and when I imagine scenarios of

1092
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: Hams that winning, it seems dominant in my brain. And

1093
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: when I imagine scenarios of Gilbert winning, they seem like workman

1094
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: light difficult. But you know, he threads that needle, he

1095
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: gets it, and maybe that's fair, maybe that's unfair. I'm

1096
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: just telling you what, like what your brain cooks up.

1097
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: But if he does, he's been re like kindling the

1098
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 2: friendship with Kamorrow, he might have to fight Kamorrow again,

1099
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: which is just all kinds there's all kinds of weird

1100
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: surrounding the Spout, And we have some audio I'd like

1101
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: to throw to real quickly speaking about like why he

1102
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: took the hums Out fight, because BC, there's just there's

1103
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 2: just a lot of weirdness involved. This is what he said.

1104
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 4: That wasn't the first option where we want to fight Kobe.

1105
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 4: That was the fight that I was looking for. But

1106
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: then they make the rematch after the rematch with and Uh,

1107
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 4: I knew would be hard to get an upon it.

1108
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: And then when when he beat Lee gill Young.

1109
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: I knew the hype when to get crazy and no

1110
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 4: one wants to fight him, and then like I kind

1111
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: of I don't know, no one was giving me a fight.

1112
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting a fight. I would just like.

1113
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 4: Attacked Ali and say, I want to fight this guy.

1114
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 4: I think they're going to offer to me. So I'm

1115
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 4: already letting you know I want to.

1116
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: Fight these We've seen the Yeah, we can confirm this.

1117
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: We want to point this out. We saw Gilbert with

1118
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: the timestamp from the day and everything else. Right after

1119
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: the last fight with Hamzad and Leu jiang Lang. He

1120
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: literally hits up his manager and goes, I want it.

1121
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: His manager goes, why, but you did it here we.

1122
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: Are I'll answer for you. You wanted it because you're

1123
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: a savage. And I say that as a compliment to

1124
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: where you are in your career at this point. Yeah,

1125
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: let me always put that disclaimer in there, Luke, Okay,

1126
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: that guy's a freaking savage, but I mean that in

1127
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: the nicest possible way.

1128
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about Let's talk about Gilbert one more.

1129
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 2: What does Gilbert get out of this win? We talked

1130
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: about it in the interview a little bit, but now

1131
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 2: that we've had some time to reflect on it, because

1132
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 2: here's the thing about Hamzad, It's not like he already

1133
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 2: has all of these things that we're imagining he could have.

1134
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: If Gilbert beats him, we have to recalibrate what it

1135
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: meant to beat him and what is the ultimate upside. Now,

1136
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: maybe he gets a title shot, or maybe he has

1137
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: to fight Colby's Like reasonably speaking, BC, let's say Gilbert

1138
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: gets a win. It again not controversial, whatever that means

1139
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: he was the better guy. What happens next, It's gonna.

1140
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: Be interesting what they do matchmaking wise. If Leon Edwards

1141
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: gets the rematch with Kamaru, and he's deserving, of course,

1142
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: would they go back right back to the former teammates.

1143
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: I mean, look, this would be a monster win for Gilbert.

1144
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: If he does it by exposing Chamaiah, then you know

1145
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: his stock is gonna be you can I mean, look,

1146
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: would his stock be even higher than it was after

1147
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: that wind streak that got him the original Usman fight.

1148
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: Gilbert stock would have to be higher because of what

1149
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: we Unless Tremaiah the wheels just fall off right in

1150
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: front of us, right, you know, like unless that happens

1151
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: where he's exposed. But if Gilbert wins, and it's Gilbert winning,

1152
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean he caused this more or less. This is

1153
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: him putting all of his chips in the center of

1154
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: the table. Because it took this guy a while to

1155
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: figure out how to get the best out of him.

1156
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: It took changing a weight class, it took rounding out

1157
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: his game and making his striking as dangerous as his

1158
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: decorated grappling skills are. And then Luke, like a lot

1159
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: of people, he finally gets to that mountaintop and you know,

1160
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: like Pourier against a BIB, and it just it didn't

1161
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: happen for whatever reason, it didn't happen at his age, Luke,

1162
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be thirty six in July. Gilbert Burns, Dude,

1163
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: the only real chance to double back down right now

1164
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: is to is to go fight that toughest guy walking

1165
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: into the jail on day one. He's doing that. I mean,

1166
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: there's so much respect for him, you can't even but

1167
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: why is he doing it? Because the window he's in

1168
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: that he's in there, He's in that window right now

1169
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: of maximizing his ability. What I loved what I learned

1170
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: about Gilbert from this interview is that some guys will

1171
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: say it, some guys don't mean it. He I think

1172
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: he really means it when he says the glory of

1173
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: the championship, meaning, how do I make you know, eighty

1174
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: percent of what my life has been, the dedication to

1175
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: this sport. How do I make that make sense? All

1176
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: the time? Put in yeah, getting the money's great. The fan,

1177
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: he's the family man, all that, you know, the fame, whatever.

1178
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: This guy doesn't care about most of that stuff, Luke.

1179
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: Beyond the family, of course, he is here for the

1180
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: glory of it. And you know, sometimes the glory only

1181
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: really makes up ten to twenty percent of guys when

1182
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: they get to this level because they fight through the

1183
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: business bullshit, and sometimes it really is just about money.

1184
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: Still about glory for Gilbert, and I have a lot

1185
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: of respect for that, and that's why he's willing to

1186
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: take this and looke if he didn't. You know, is

1187
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: it impossible for him to get back into title contention? No,

1188
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's certainly not likely. I mean, you know,

1189
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: you'd have to win a few times some super elite guys.

1190
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean, let me ask you this, Luke. If Kamaro

1191
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: defeats Leon this summer, and we don't really know how

1192
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: much longer Kamorrow is gonna fight. Who is most deserving

1193
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: in this division? Who do you want to see him

1194
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: against be beyond the winner of this Burns Chremaia fight.

1195
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: This is what I've been sort of trying to noodle through, Like,

1196
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 2: what do you do if Gilbert wins? Right again, we're

1197
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: talking about a world where he wins, you know, convincingly

1198
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: and fairly. I think two things have are one thing

1199
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: actually will happen, one thing should happen. I think that

1200
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: there's been this perception of what weight that It's been

1201
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: the Camaru Colby and then for a time the jorgemen Mas.

1202
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: But I'll show jorgem More has a popular interesting figure.

1203
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 2: Obviously the subsequent losses and everything else has pushed him

1204
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: out of that. But there's they've sort of been the

1205
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 2: nucleus of how folks have talked and thought about welterweight. Right,

1206
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: Gilbert has been part of that conversation, but maybe a

1207
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: little bit to the side. I think if he beats Hamza,

1208
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: people are gonna realize that like no, no, no, no,

1209
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 2: it's not really the Colby Kamaru Jorge story. And again

1210
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: Jorges would have been pushed off already, but that the

1211
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: real dominant players, that the ones that really deserve to

1212
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: be respect and talked about, is actually Gilbert Burns and

1213
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: Colby and Komar Like he is the part of that

1214
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: triumvirate that gets kind of excluded a little bit in

1215
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: terms of a fight. Remember what he told us when

1216
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 2: we were down there. He was looking for the Colby fight.

1217
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: He's looking for who I want that dude. When when

1218
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: Gilbert Burns puts his feet on the floor in the morning,

1219
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: when he wakes up, the first thought that must go

1220
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: through his mind is I want the fucking smoke. Because

1221
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: he's looking for the toughest guys, the highest ranked guys,

1222
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 2: the ones that everyone says are unbeatable. And he told

1223
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: us he loves the model that RDA has set up,

1224
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: and that's a win lose model a lot of times,

1225
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: but it does confer an enormous amount of respect over

1226
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: the long haul, and obviously he's in there to win it.

1227
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: So the point I'm trying to make is I would

1228
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: think the Colby fight makes a lot of sense, because, yes,

1229
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: Colby beating Jorge is great, but Jorge is sitting back

1230
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 2: at what seventh or something. Gilbert Burns to me, if

1231
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: you beat Tamaia, if Gilbert Burns to me, represents a

1232
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: threat that now Colby needs to pass or whoever one

1233
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 2: who wants to get back at Kamaru, though their roads

1234
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: lead to each other.

1235
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: On this one, I just question how much more Kamarrow

1236
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: wants to keep fighting contenders. And I know that Vicente

1237
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: Luke and Balal Muhammad have a match up, a rematch

1238
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: coming up to headline a fight night. It's a great fight.

1239
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: They're both in the top ten. Could the winner of that,

1240
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, be in line maybe, But like, I don't

1241
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 1: think Usman's gonna jump at that. I don't think the sport.

1242
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: I think if you're Usman Luke, look, if tamayav obliterates Gilbert,

1243
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to fight JAMIAV unless you're gonna give

1244
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: up the belt because UFC they're going right after it

1245
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: and they should. Okay, But if that doesn't happen, Luke,

1246
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if Kamorrow really is gonna

1247
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: welcome a Gilbert rematch. I don't you know, he may

1248
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: go like this. I'm gonna keep pushing the Canelo thing

1249
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: just because I want to get paid. I don't think

1250
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: UFC will co promoted. I don't think it'll happen. But

1251
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: there are other money fights. Kamaro can play out the

1252
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: string with Luke and make a lot of money and

1253
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: get even more famous. And those names involve Connor McGregor

1254
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: or Dustin Pourier in my eyes, moving up and challenging

1255
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: him for the title. I think that would be more

1256
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: likely to happen than him going Okay, let's get Burns again.

1257
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: Let me get the winner of you know, lu Ke Muhammad.

1258
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: So I think as fans Luke and this isn't playing

1259
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: favor to either fight or in the Burns Chamaya matchup.

1260
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: But what's the best scenario for the UFC, And what's

1261
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: the best scenario for the UFC fan hamzat Chimaya fucking

1262
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: dismantling Gilbert Burns. That's the best scenario for business and

1263
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: for fandom moving forward, Luke and you know, Kamarrow versus

1264
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: that guy, if it happens, would be frickin' wild. But yeah,

1265
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: is there a world in which Gilbert wins this despite

1266
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: those odds, despite all this fan fear, You're damn right,

1267
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: there is Luke's i'd nerven pass a second round. Yet

1268
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Of course there is here's

1269
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: also something and that's rules.

1270
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I agree. One thing to think about too,

1271
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: is there is a way that this fight goes especially

1272
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: on the Hams outside, because he's got big power, right,

1273
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: I mean, he knocked out drill meershard at one eighty five.

1274
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: Like his power goes up if he fights Gilbert and

1275
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: they're exchanging on the feet. Let's say Gilbert gets a

1276
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: couple of takedowns and like Gilbert's looking good right there,

1277
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: like damn man, Gilbert might Okay, he came fucking ready

1278
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: to go, and then he eats an uppercut and he

1279
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: gets knocked out. You still haven't answered really any of

1280
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: the questions about how Hams out looks in the third, fourth,

1281
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: and fifth. But it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter because

1282
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: the win would be so authoritative. So like there is

1283
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: a possibility where you get like the best outcome for

1284
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: the division and for the UFC and whatever, and that

1285
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: you still can carry some of this mystery into a

1286
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: possible title fight, which by itself would be basically unheard

1287
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 2: of at the UFC level. It is again a historic value.

1288
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: These don't happen very often, like once a decade or so,

1289
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: and we're back. This is it?

1290
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: Seriously, hams out versus Oustman at this point in Tamaiav's career, Dude,

1291
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: that's a lot like Brock versus Randy. It's different, but

1292
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: it's a lot like it.

1293
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: It's different. Yeah, because Brock was so huge in that fight.

1294
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but yeah, I see what you're saying.

1295
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: I really do. He won that. He beat Mindy Couturn

1296
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: what his fourth fight? He was three and one after

1297
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: that fight, something like that, crazy, you know, something just absurd?

1298
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, because yeah, because he was he beat

1299
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: the Asian guy off of UFC. Then there was a

1300
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: mere fight and then he fucking put it. He pancaked

1301
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: teeth herring. That was a fun.

1302
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: Yes, and then yes, so then he that was they

1303
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: give him that he was two and one. He beat

1304
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 2: someone else. I forget who was at this point, but

1305
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 2: in any case.

1306
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 5: All right, let's move to topic. Guys real quick, yeah, Luke,

1307
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 5: real quick. It looks like Kamza's doing some media availability

1308
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 5: right now.

1309
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: Okay.

1310
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 5: He had a comment about Colby Covington saying he should

1311
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 5: be kicked out of the UFC. Do you guys care

1312
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 5: about this? He said, he's a bitch and should be

1313
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 5: kicked out of the UFC.

1314
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: Between them, I care.

1315
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 5: He said. They're asking him if he want if Kolby

1316
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 5: really wants to fight him, and he said, I don't

1317
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 5: think he does. I think he's a bitch. He should

1318
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 5: be kicked out of the UFC. I think he'd call

1319
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 5: the cops if we fought.

1320
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Look, I just looked

1321
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: it up. Lesner went right from Heath Herring into Randy

1322
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: Catur So that's wild.

1323
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. That's all right. Let's move to

1324
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: topic number three. Here the rest of the UFC two

1325
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: seventy three card BC. There's a ton of good fights

1326
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 2: on here. I don't want to spend a ton of

1327
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: time on them, but it's suffice to say, if you

1328
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 2: pay for this, you're gonna get a lot of bang

1329
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: for your buck. McKenzie during a women's strawway ticks on

1330
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: Tsha Torres BC durn coming off that loss to Marina

1331
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: Hardriguez where on the ground obviously was given Hadriguez a

1332
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: ton of problems but really couldn't get anything moving on

1333
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: the feet and then Tisha torre Is on a three

1334
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: fight win streak, was actually beating Angela Hill. This is

1335
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: a tough fight for Mackenzie durn Man.

1336
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: It is I like this fight a lot women strawways deliver,

1337
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: of course, but look Titia torres Is, she's emptying the

1338
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: tank once more to see to see what's left. Early thirties,

1339
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: she had that disastrous losing streak to all elite names,

1340
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: which you know she could have got caught at the

1341
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: end of that. You lose four five times in a

1342
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: row to the best in your division, you know, it's

1343
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: hard to recover from that. I'll give her a lot

1344
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: of credit, Luke. The wind streak largely come against lesser names,

1345
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: for sure, but she retooled. She's in the best shape

1346
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: of her life, like by far. I know Tish's been

1347
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: doing you know, some bodybuilding competitions and stuff. She's geared

1348
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: up and ready, and I think if you look at

1349
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: that fight you mentioned for Dern, it was a plateauing,

1350
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: leveling outfight to go in there against Marina Hadriguez, I

1351
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: think it's still showing, Luke that she's still a little

1352
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: bit too one dimensional to the ground, but she did

1353
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: show a good fighting spirit and she was in that fight.

1354
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: This is sort of that retooling opportunity for Mackenzie where

1355
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: she's got to go out there and put it on

1356
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: t show and make it look easy. And if she does, Luke,

1357
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: She's still in the larger title picture here because of

1358
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: the look she's She's a potential marketable name, no question,

1359
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: she got great ability. I think she just keeps she

1360
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: needs to keep tinkering. This could be that potential opportunitly

1361
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: on the feet, especially because you know Torres is gonna

1362
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: come forward, She's gonna dart in and out. I really

1363
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: want to see the improvements that Mackenzie Durn makes in

1364
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: this one. And didn't she chat with our boy Shack No,

1365
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: we have some.

1366
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 2: I think she did. I think she did. Yeah, if

1367
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 2: you look at her wins, Mackenzie Durn's wins, I'd argue

1368
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: the two best came before the Hadriguez fight when she

1369
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: beat Verna Geni Roba and then Nina Nunez. But still

1370
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 2: there were some questions about that because you know, Nina

1371
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: Nunez obviously had the kid, and you know there's a

1372
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: lot of time off and gen Gi Robo obviously doesn't

1373
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: can't Lord the ground game over her. So those were

1374
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: great wins. Will get me wrong, but to me, Titia

1375
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 2: Torrez who could stick and move and obviously you know

1376
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: on the movement on the feet. For for Durn, that's

1377
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: been a lot, that's been an ongoing issue. So this

1378
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 2: is one of those fights where she, you know, if

1379
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 2: she wins on the ground, Okay, that's Mackenzie Durn. I'm

1380
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: curious to see how she looks on the feet. I

1381
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: want to see how she looks on the feet. Dude.

1382
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 2: The takedowns need to be there and everything else needs

1383
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: to be there also on this card, we see this

1384
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: will open the mank.

1385
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: Don't leave it, Luke, don't leave it. You got to

1386
01:02:58,760 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: think we.

1387
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: Got to move along. Bet.

1388
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: I know you're you love to Matombo, Shaquille Major, you

1389
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: love to the Persian Prince. You're like, Yo, we're gonna

1390
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: play some shock sound today. And then you're like, Yo,

1391
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: fuck Shack bro Okay Yo, can we play the sound?

1392
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: All right? Shack and the man. You sort of analyze

1393
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: you versus Tisha fight preview stuff. What's the biggest advantage

1394
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 2: each person has going into this fight?

1395
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 6: I mean, I think Tsha her biggest advantage is like that.

1396
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 6: She's fat, she's quick, and she moves well, you know.

1397
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 6: I think she hits and gets out and her good

1398
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 6: cardio and she's very fast and gets in points and

1399
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 6: then gets out. So she has a lot of experience.

1400
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 6: I think most of her losses have been almost to

1401
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 6: all like ex champions, you know, or champions like now.

1402
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 6: So I think she has her experience and just her

1403
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 6: footwork and then mine. I think my biggest strength for

1404
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 6: this fight is just that you just keep going forward,

1405
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 6: don't stop going forward, you know what I mean?

1406
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: And she better keeps coming. You're like, You're like, you

1407
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: know what, if we're gonna we're gonna delay this show,

1408
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna white trash all over the screen. That's great,

1409
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: Luke uh shot out to shack at mm A on YouTube.

1410
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: There are are our French Canadian friend. He's from MONTREALI

1411
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: lives in Vancouver. You don't care. But he's a nice,

1412
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: nice hit, nice guy, all right.

1413
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: Yes. Also opening this card BC, this is maybe the

1414
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: most slept on fight on this card and it's awesome.

1415
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: Vince from Hell Pachelle takes on mark O Mattson, Marco Matson,

1416
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 2: the greatest, maybe Danish wrestler ever, silver medalist in the Olympics,

1417
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: multiple times silver medalist in the World Championships. I'm told

1418
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 2: from wrestling folks that the guy who he kept losing

1419
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: to is maybe the greatest greco guy in that weight

1420
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: class ever, So you know, coming up short to him

1421
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 2: doesn't say a whole lot. Madson undefeated BC but a

1422
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: little older, had about with COVID and a whole lot

1423
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 2: of nonsense going on in his fight. Vince Bachelle kind

1424
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: of an afterthought for a while, but he beat Austin Hubbard,

1425
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 2: who was a very good fighter in his last contest. Dude,

1426
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: this one has action written all over it from the

1427
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 2: opening bell on.

1428
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: It does, and Marco Manson still has to answer a

1429
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: lot of questions. He's thirty seven, yes, he's three and

1430
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: oh since this transition, and Luke, you know, you know,

1431
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: I love watching guys like this who are because it

1432
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: reminds me of the old time UFC when someone's such

1433
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: a specialist and one skill of martial arts away from

1434
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: mixed martial arts and then tries to mix it in

1435
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: and sometimes you get go konsake. Luke, we haven't seen

1436
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: Madison take that ol yet, but we have seen the

1437
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: doors open, of exposure of his of his gas tank,

1438
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 1: of his striking, certainly not being on the same level

1439
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,439
Speaker 1: of his wrestling. He's gonna be in a fight here, Luke,

1440
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna have to make a market

1441
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: improvement from what he showed in that split decision went

1442
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: over Guido where there were there were plenty of holes

1443
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: there and it's gonna be fun to watch.

1444
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: Also on a premium card be see. If be curious

1445
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 2: to know what your favorite is, there's two. Well, there's

1446
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: a bunch that stand out. First of all, Mickey gall

1447
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: has one and lost in an alternate way since the

1448
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 2: Sage Northcut fight, which I think was his fourth fight,

1449
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: So you know, if he loses here that would be

1450
01:05:58,360 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: two in a row. But if he wins, it just

1451
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 2: world be the repeating of the pattern taking on I

1452
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 2: think a beatable Mike Mallott. So we'll see what happens there.

1453
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: But for MEBC, you got aspen Lad taking on Rakel Pennington.

1454
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 2: That's a huge fight. And then Ian Gary, sort of

1455
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 2: the next sour rising star out of Ireland although he

1456
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 2: trains at Sanford MMA, taking on Darien Weeks, a guy

1457
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 2: who's only this will be his only seventh fight, so

1458
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 2: this is probably a little bit early for him. But Gary,

1459
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 2: this will only be his ninth fight. There's a lot

1460
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 2: to like on the prelim card for ESPN Plus as well.

1461
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we ran into Gary of course at Sanford MMA.

1462
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: When we talked to Gilbert Burns. He had a Phoenix

1463
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: Sun's jersey with his own name on the back. Luke,

1464
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm goin interested to see if he ends up getting

1465
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: the featured prelim spot on this card because he's got,

1466
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, certainly some ability worth taking notice. But from

1467
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: an area of the MMA world, Luke, which is on

1468
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: fire at the moment, this should be a great time

1469
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: to sort of show everybody who you can be. But

1470
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: look circle that that aspen Lad Raquel Pennington fight dude,

1471
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,439
Speaker 1: talk about questions that need answered, answering from Ladd who

1472
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: keeps failing to make way to bantam weight, moved up

1473
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: to featherweight and of course lost that one fight and

1474
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: has had just disastrous weight cuts Locke, Luke, I have

1475
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: seen her progress in this camp and she looks to

1476
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: be by far in the best shape of her career,

1477
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: which you know, it almost feels now or never, meaning

1478
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: if she can't prove once again that she not only

1479
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: can make one thirty five, but can make it I

1480
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: don't want to say easily, but competitively, so that she's

1481
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: got plenty in the tank. Raquel Pennington is on a

1482
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: nice little wind streak of her own, Luke, maybe finding out,

1483
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, what's left in that tank of herself to

1484
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: try to pour out. This is the fight, This is

1485
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: the matchup, because if Lad either loses this or doesn't

1486
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: make the weight on Friday or anything, Luke, how many

1487
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: more times can you cry Wolf that you are the

1488
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: future of this division? You can't. So this is the moment, Luke,

1489
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: this is the time. Are you expecting big things from

1490
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: mastermal Lad here?

1491
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 2: I agree with you, it's shit or get off the pot, right?

1492
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 2: I mean this is you know how old is aspen

1493
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 2: Lad now? So she currently sits at twenty seven. There's

1494
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 2: still time. But to your point, she's a coming off

1495
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 2: the loss to normal Dumont from October of twenty twenty one,

1496
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 2: and so she just needs to get right. And I

1497
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: agree between the weight issues and like the performances have

1498
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 2: been overall good, definitely good, but it hasn't been it

1499
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: hasn't matched some of the rhetoric around her, which I'm

1500
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: not saying she's the one out there banging the drum

1501
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 2: all the time that she's the future. I mean, partly

1502
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of that. Partly there's little bit

1503
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: of promotional hype and everything around. But yes, I agree,

1504
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 2: it's time to start making a move towards the upper

1505
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: end of this division. And Raquel Pennington's about a goo

1506
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 2: attest that you're gonna get durable, experienced, has seen it

1507
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,919
Speaker 2: all in terms of what fighters offer in every dimension,

1508
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 2: So you get to win over someone like Raquel Pennington BC.

1509
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say it erases the past, but I

1510
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 2: think it would give people renewed confidence about what is

1511
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 2: possible moving forward.

1512
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: And Rocky's physically strong and stubborn, so it's not gonna

1513
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: be easy to take her down and be dominant on top.

1514
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: So if Aspin can do that, which I think she

1515
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: needs to, looks you got you gotta look. This is

1516
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 1: a big night, big night for lad Luke. And I

1517
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: don't know why all our viewers keep dming me training

1518
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: picks of her, like I follow our on Instagram, but

1519
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I was like, okay, you know

1520
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: Joanna's in a rub. But I'm like, yeah, I knew that.

1521
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: I knew that. Bro Okay, thank you.

1522
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'm moving I'm moving along now. Topic number four.

1523
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about PFL. There's bad and

1524
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: then there's good. Let's start with the bad because it's

1525
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 2: sort of more interesting. News ESPN reported, I'll simplify the story. Basically,

1526
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 2: the PFL has a Challenger series that they do with

1527
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 2: Fubo TV, and they had an event last week that

1528
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 2: was seemingly I want to be very clear about some

1529
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 2: of the terms here, seemingly presented as live. Now, the

1530
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 2: PFL organization and made clear to not promote any odds

1531
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: around the fight. They didn't have Ian Parker, so they

1532
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 2: were not doing any promotion of the odds under anything

1533
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 2: that they were delivering. However, sports books elsewhere were taking

1534
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 2: odds on this fight thinking that it was live, and

1535
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 2: in fact it was not. This has got them in

1536
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 2: a bit of regulatory hot water. BC. I spoke to

1537
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: some folks in the no last night. This is my

1538
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: best read on things. This is my best read. I

1539
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 2: don't know what happened, but because there is so much

1540
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:13,799
Speaker 2: suspicion inside combat sports of foul play or otherwise underhand

1541
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: underhanded criminal behavior. You know, PFL has always acted, to

1542
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 2: my knowledge, above board. I would be very surprised if

1543
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: this was in somehow intentional. What I do think is

1544
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 2: what I do think happened though, is if you look

1545
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 2: at their social assets from that night, they were like, oh,

1546
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 2: guys are in the building and blah blah blah, and

1547
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: then fubo. I don't know what they did in terms

1548
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 2: of what they were presenting it, So I'll just say this,

1549
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: I don't think PFL engaged at all in criminal behavior,

1550
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 2: but clearly somebody and a few somebodies got real sloppy

1551
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 2: along the way.

1552
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, basically what happened was as this card aired,

1553
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: the there was a huge surgeon bets. So that's showing

1554
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: you that people on the inside, you know that that

1555
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: that know we're doing that. And I think the guy

1556
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: in the main event, Luki, is a heavyweight. He was

1557
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: like a minus one fifty favor to start and right

1558
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: before his fight he was like a minus twenty seven

1559
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: to fifty. So you can see what went on there

1560
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: that led off the alarms. Do I think PFL, you know,

1561
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: tried to do something nefarious, No, but it's sloppy and

1562
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: there's a lot of issues here. Not only did as

1563
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: you mentioned that they promote it on social media as

1564
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: if it was live, but Fubo had their live bug

1565
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: all over their scheduled on the screen. They would say

1566
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: afterwards through a smokesman that it was a mistake that

1567
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: they used the same graphics from the week before or

1568
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: what have you. But I just think it's a bad

1569
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: look in general. Whether you know, we criticized Belatour in

1570
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: the past couple of years when they would have an

1571
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: international card and then Eric six hours later. I just

1572
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: think it's a bad look in general at this point

1573
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: of live sports and streaming and a million networks that

1574
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: you're not airing something live, and the fact that this

1575
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: got to the level of books putting out odds and

1576
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: no one in PFL realized that it's sloppy. So you're

1577
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: asking yourself why does that matter. It's a massive stain

1578
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: on the brand name in terms of terms of of

1579
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, being being considered reputable. But also Luke, you know,

1580
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: the Arizona Gaming Commission, for example, basically cut ties with PFL.

1581
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: Now could that change, I'm not sure, but they remove

1582
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: them from their books and said we're not doing business

1583
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: with them anymore. Some of the bigger state state betting commissions,

1584
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: like like Nevada and California, they're putting this under review.

1585
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: You know, if these big state commissions basically say f off,

1586
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: we don't trust you anymore, that's a bad look publicly.

1587
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: So you know, I can't really remember seeing something like

1588
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: this happen. We've seen certain MMA stuff, you know, pre taped,

1589
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: and remember the whole debacle with the uh was it

1590
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: the original Ultimate Fighter fights that Josh Gross got under

1591
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 1: Dana White's ire for sharing the results with And my

1592
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: whole thing is, look, dude, I don't care when you

1593
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: film them, put it live like this should never happen.

1594
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: And now that we are as a community embracing betting

1595
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: so so aggressively, you know, I mean on CBS Sports,

1596
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm beyond I mean everywhere everywhere, right, we're hoping to

1597
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: get some of that betting money on this show too. Mother,

1598
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: mother efforts, you gotta die. You gotta tighten that that

1599
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 1: ship up. I mean, we got an NFL team in Vegas. Luke,

1600
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta make sure Tim Donnie's not coming

1601
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: through that door if you know what I'm saying.

1602
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the last thing I'd say on this

1603
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 2: is and I think the point you raised was right.

1604
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 2: We've seen kind of like pre taped fights that were

1605
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: broadcasted later for the reality show, and then we've seen

1606
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: that for some of the like overseas promotions at times.

1607
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: But I'm just gonna say this for a North American

1608
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 2: promotion that is on a big network, which I know

1609
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 2: they're air on ESPN Plus and ESPN two and occasionally

1610
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 2: other places inside the ESPN family, but is heavily involved

1611
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 2: in terms of advertising revenue with gambling, you bring on

1612
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 2: Ian Parker. When the fights are live, you show the

1613
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: odds before both guys, and again for this fight, they

1614
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 2: did not do that. But so want to point out

1615
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 2: if you are going to be in that business, please

1616
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 2: don't pre record your fights. Only bad things can happen

1617
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 2: because somebody's gonna get the wrong signal somewhere and you're

1618
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 2: gonna end up in a situation like this and it's

1619
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 2: gonna be real hard to undo. Don't fucking do it.

1620
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: Make the fights live and then just be done with it.

1621
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 2: If you can't have it, you know you don't have

1622
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 2: the inventory to share it, then don't share it. Simple

1623
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 2: as that. Now they do have a card BC that

1624
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:04,959
Speaker 2: they announced for May.

1625
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: Six on that cage has been known to be so smart,

1626
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: shouldn't that cage have alerted us? Look, I mean, come on,

1627
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1628
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 2: Yes, the cade, I mean this shows you how smart

1629
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 2: that cage is not super fucking smart whatsoever. But okay,

1630
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 2: the card they announced for the May six of BC

1631
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 2: airon ESPN too. Kayla Harrison is back against Marina muck

1632
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: Knott Quina. I will not pretend I know who this

1633
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: person is. Ray Cooper the third taken on Megamed Uma Latzov,

1634
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 2: which actually is a pretty good fight. Anthony Pettis is

1635
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 2: back against Miles Price, and then Rordy McDonald against Brett Cooper,

1636
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: which is a really good fight well, but also shout

1637
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 2: out to the ESPN Plus card Megamed Megamed Karamov taken

1638
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: on joe A Zepherino, one of the most underrated fighters

1639
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 2: on the regional scene maybe ever decided with sees on

1640
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 2: that card. Gleason t bel Larissa Pacheco BC. What stands

1641
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 2: out to you aside from let's say, Kayla.

1642
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, Julia Budd also on that undercard, and I think

1643
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: she's gonna be the one to watch if you're a

1644
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 1: Kayla Harrison fan and seeing Okay, Kayla re signed with

1645
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: the PFL, let's kickstart another tournament. They said this will

1646
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: be her final tournament and then the following year she'll

1647
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: enter into more of a super fight pay per view roll.

1648
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: Whatever the hell that means, Luke will find out, but

1649
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: for now, Julia Bud's gotta be is. She's certainly the

1650
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 1: most decorated name in the mix, but this has got

1651
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: to be the fight we have to build toward, you know,

1652
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: in this regular season and maybe even in the in

1653
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: the championship. So that's something to watch. I don't know

1654
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 1: anything about Kayla Harrison's opponent as well, but Luke, I

1655
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: think you'll agree Kayla Harrison is musty TV without fricking question.

1656
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: She's the main event for a reason. Ray Cooper the

1657
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: Third arguably had had the kind of year last year

1658
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: that could compare with Kayla in terms of turning his

1659
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,759
Speaker 1: fortunes around. I know he had already been a PFL champion,

1660
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: but Luke, he proved last year he's the He's the

1661
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: real deal. Ray Cooper the Third is coming freaking on,

1662
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: so it'll be good to see him return. What does

1663
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: Pettiser Rory have left? Here's the thing about PFL betting

1664
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: snaffo aside, dude, they won me over last year. They did.

1665
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: They got enough mixture of names you know and names

1666
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: you don't but should and and the cards that they've

1667
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: announced thus far are pretty interesting. Now, this will be

1668
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: a Friday night, May sixth. That's a crowded ass weekend

1669
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: if you are don't already know, because the next night

1670
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: is Canelo Alvarez moving up to light heavyweight for a

1671
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: title and also that absolutely loaded UFC Phoenix pay per

1672
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: view cards. So, Luke, this should be a fun weekend

1673
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: of fights. I wont does Belzer have a card that

1674
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: wee can too? It's you know they call loom. They

1675
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: call that first Saturday in May the biggest sporting day

1676
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: of the year because of the Kentuckyturk.

1677
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 2: Kentucky Derby and boxing.

1678
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, NBA playoffs, NHL Playoffs and typically Yankees Red Sox

1679
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: series as well.

1680
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 2: So there is Bellatore two eighty will be May six

1681
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 2: in Paris, France, BC. That's gonna be Ryan Bader taking

1682
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 2: on Check Congo.

1683
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: That'll be afternoon. That'll be a late afternoon dish. You

1684
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 1: know what, Luke, you and I should go.

1685
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 2: I'll let me read this card real quickly, real quickly.

1686
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 2: Ryan Bader check Congo, Jolva Merriw versus Melvin Manhoff. Melvine

1687
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 2: Manhof is probably gonna have terrible injury after this. But

1688
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 2: this is the one that kind of interested me. Lorenz

1689
01:16:58,479 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: Larkin is back on the call. Well, I mean they'll,

1690
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been an unbelievable competitor watch, but he's

1691
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: taken a lot of damage. I'm not even sure he

1692
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 2: should still be fighting, to be honest with you. But

1693
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 2: the one that stands out to me more soorn Bach

1694
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 2: taking on Sewel Rogers. Dude. Soren Bach is the guy

1695
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: that sent well, I don't know say he sent him

1696
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 2: Patty Pimblet packing, but I watched that fight. That was

1697
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: a five rounder. You know, Patty Pimblet came out on fire,

1698
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 2: and soorn Bach kind of withstood it and then took

1699
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: it to him and was taking his back in the

1700
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 2: fifth round, you know, and and and beat him cleanly.

1701
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: Soorn Bach is the guy that like kind of told me, like,

1702
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 2: Patty Pimblet's got some work to do. And now he's

1703
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 2: over in Bellatore fighting against Soul Rodgers. Soowel Rodgers another.

1704
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: I think a good brit on top of it. So

1705
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 2: that should be a fun a good, really good fun fight, Luke.

1706
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: I don't know where you and I are going to

1707
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,879
Speaker 1: be that weekend. Maybe we go to the Jersey City studio.

1708
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you this. Uh Demas Stallhamer and his

1709
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: wife down there in Phoenix, do boy, do they want

1710
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: us to go to their art enclave, Luke. They say

1711
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: it's all ready to be wired and go put the

1712
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,799
Speaker 1: desk in there. Let's do it. We'll do live shows.

1713
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: That's a hey, look if it. If it ends up

1714
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: being I'll perform in the dead, you know that. But

1715
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: we'll see what.

1716
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: Happened, all right. And last, but not least, we moved

1717
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 2: to topic number five. Just a couple of quick hitters BC.

1718
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 2: We'll just start with the Juliana Pena one. This is

1719
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 2: getting a lot of traction in media, and I understand why,

1720
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 2: but I really want folks to take a deep breath.

1721
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 2: Here here's what she said quote talking about Ronda Ralsey.

1722
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 2: Ronda is old news, right. I think that's what this

1723
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,839
Speaker 2: came to us from the MMA Hour on MMA Fighting quote.

1724
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 2: I think that's what's incredible about her is that she

1725
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 2: opened up the door and was destroying people in ten

1726
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: seconds and became a star because she was demolishing people

1727
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 2: in the first round. And that's great. But she got

1728
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 2: knocked out twice and never came back. So how legit

1729
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: is she And she continued she had to go to

1730
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 2: pro wrestling, and I get that, and I think that's great.

1731
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 2: But as a fighter on somebody who was competitive, I

1732
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: know that deep down it probably truly bothers her the

1733
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 2: fact that she went away off on two knockout losses

1734
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 2: and never came back to make her name good. If

1735
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 2: it really truly does bother her, and if it gets

1736
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 2: under her skin at the end of the day to

1737
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 2: know that, you know, her legacy is kind of ruined

1738
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: by that fact that she never came back and never

1739
01:18:58,479 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 2: got back on the horse, then I would like to

1740
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 2: invite her to polease come back, and if she would

1741
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 2: like to come back, I would welcome her with open arms.

1742
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 2: BC seems to me that what's happening here is that

1743
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 2: Paynya is responding to the incentives of the market, which

1744
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 2: is to say, unfair and outrageous shit in order to

1745
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: further your your own career. I don't know that I

1746
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 2: sign off on like. There's a couple of bits of

1747
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 2: truth to this, for sure, but there's a lot of

1748
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 2: it that's clearly designed. It's designed to be false so

1749
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 2: that she can, you know, either get a fight with

1750
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 2: Rawsie or get her name out there. And I don't

1751
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 2: like this kind of attention if it was me, but

1752
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 2: fighters do, and this is what they say, So of

1753
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 2: course it's wrong, we see. But my point is, so.

1754
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: What, Yeah, I think she's really smart here. So since

1755
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: Payne has won the title, she's gotten the pro wrestling

1756
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: promo down very well and knows how to deliver it

1757
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: and bring attention on. Let's not forget Luke. She played.

1758
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 2: What was that they were enemies on The Ultimate Fighter. Yeah,

1759
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 2: Payne talk wicked shit about Ronda Rassil on the.

1760
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,560
Speaker 1: And let's not forget Yeah, And of course Penia was

1761
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 1: supposed to fight Rowsey before it all fell apart, or

1762
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 1: she was closing in on the chance. I remember all that.

1763
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 1: But here's the deal though, Let's not forget Pania played

1764
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: up the narrative, whether true or not, that Amanda had

1765
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: promised her that title shot at what UFC two hundred

1766
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 1: after beating Tate and never came through with it, And

1767
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: she's scared of me. And we were all leading into

1768
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: that fight with Amanda going come on, Juliana, really well whatever, Look,

1769
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: it was the motivation she needed to come through. Now. Look,

1770
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: she's getting skewered by a lot of people on Twitter, media, fans,

1771
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: other fighters for disparaging Ronda. Is it fair? No, But

1772
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 1: there are some pretty damning strong kernels of truth in

1773
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 1: what she's saying. But I think she's calculated here, and

1774
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: I think that's smart. What's the best thing you can

1775
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: do for yourself? Lure back in Ronda Rowsey for a

1776
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: big fight, in a fight you probably can win and

1777
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: continue to build your star if, of course, you can

1778
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: defeat Amanda in the rematch. But Luke, you don't care

1779
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: what's going on in WWE. But Rowsey made her comeback

1780
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania, had a title match with Charlotte Flair that

1781
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: was supposed to main event the first night. Last minute,

1782
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: she was told you're not going on last Steve Austin

1783
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: is he's gonna have that match? I mean, freaking stone cold,

1784
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 1: Luke the reports, according to Dave Meltzer of The Wrestling Observer,

1785
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: is that Rowsey flipped out backstage and basically threatened not

1786
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: to come out and perform, so she had another kind

1787
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: of meltdown. She came out. The match was not well received.

1788
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: She had been off a long time. I think, Luke,

1789
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 1: the Ronda ROWSEYWWE experience, for the most part is kind

1790
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: of run its course. Could she continue on and do

1791
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: big things?

1792
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: You have?

1793
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,879
Speaker 1: She wanted to, but like, there's no wow factor anymore.

1794
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: This is perfect timing if you're a Juliana Paano, whether

1795
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: it's realistic or not, to get back the biggest name

1796
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: in there to give you that payday that you wanted

1797
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 1: all along. So you could say, hey, Luke, maybe you

1798
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: need to or hey, Juliana, maybe you need to focus

1799
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: on Amanda right now. I'm sure she's focusing heavily on Amanda,

1800
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: But this show's here's somebody who's smart, who's trying to

1801
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 1: build to the future.

1802
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 2: I just say this, here's the thing. I saw some

1803
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 2: people being like, you know, like, how could she say

1804
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 2: something like this? Listen, did ron to leave after two fights?

1805
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 2: And by the way, to hear that she had a

1806
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 2: meltdown backstage from Dave Meltzer's reporting. Isn't like the I mean,

1807
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 2: is that on brand behavior? Or is that on brand behavior?

1808
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 2: I mean the least surprising story I've ever heard about her.

1809
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 2: You know, her exit from the sport was not great.

1810
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 2: It was not great, you know. But I've seen a

1811
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 2: lot of folks being like, how can she say something

1812
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 2: like this, and blah blah blah. Yes, of course if

1813
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 2: you want to be fair to Ronda and be reverential

1814
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 2: about her and say that things that are closer to

1815
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: the truth. And of course you have to say about

1816
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 2: all of her pioneering work and how she kicks out

1817
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 2: of the women's game and got everything possible. And if

1818
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 2: it wasn't for Ronda, there wouldn't be a Juliana. And

1819
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 2: I'm on board with all that. I don't like it

1820
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: when fighters say outrageous, awful shit about their opponents, To

1821
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 2: be quite honest with you, I don't like it at all.

1822
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 2: But the truth is, I don't understand how people can

1823
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 2: be fans of the sport and not look around and say, dude,

1824
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 2: as a fighter, you know, And a lot of them

1825
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: don't do it. Gilbert Burns doesn't do it, for example,

1826
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 2: not anymore anyway. This is what they are incentivized to do,

1827
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 2: to say outrageous, awful things, in many cases untrue or

1828
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 2: at a bare minimum unfair, certainly not complete. In order

1829
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 2: to get the kinds of attention and other fights that

1830
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 2: they want, they are intentionally agitating into being provocative to

1831
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 2: get somewhere. Now, you could go as far as the

1832
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 2: Colby Coventon are Oute, where you can take it to

1833
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 2: a really another level, or you can just do what

1834
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 2: she's done, which is, you know, draw the ire of

1835
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 2: marks online and whoever else. So it's not that we

1836
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 2: are ascribing truth value to what she's saying, or that

1837
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 2: you know you like it. You know it doesn't do

1838
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 2: much for me one way or the other, but at

1839
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 2: a bare minimum. It's like if you have been around

1840
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 2: the sport for a while, you don't have to personally

1841
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 2: weigh in when fighters bicker at one another. All you

1842
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 2: have to do is take a step back and say,

1843
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 2: what is the purpose of this? Is she really doing

1844
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 2: this because she believes it? Maybe part of it? Is

1845
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 2: she doing this to get ahead in her career. That's

1846
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 2: usually the best o comes Razor. That's usually the best explanation,

1847
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 2: and it works because here we are talking about it,

1848
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 2: and it works because I don't know if it's going

1849
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 2: to get rounda back, but it's going to get people

1850
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 2: to hate her. As she goes into the Amanda Nuna's rematch,

1851
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 2: and I got news for you, She's gonna say more

1852
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 2: disparaging shit about Amanda as well. Uh, whether it's true

1853
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 2: or it's not, for the purposes of aggrandizement in the game,

1854
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 2: how you play that true?

1855
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it's truth for her And so also in fact,

1856
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: I'd like you to be quite candid with you, to

1857
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: be more truthful on the show, because you soft pedaled

1858
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: that shits saying Rousey's exit from the sport. Would you

1859
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: say it didn't go as planned?

1860
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't great? Yeah, I was.

1861
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean you're disastrous. Tell I mean not just the

1862
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: little kno lost twice?

1863
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 2: Is that disastrous?

1864
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 1: No, the handling of it and that's not yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

1865
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: thanksful to the mental health challenges and I know I

1866
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: was there.

1867
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 2: I was there for usc what was it two o

1868
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 2: nine where she bottomed out two o seven whatever one

1869
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 2: where she remember she refused to do any media and

1870
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 2: then Dana White came through. That's when Dana White told

1871
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 2: me that Nate Diaz was bigger than me. That was

1872
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 2: the That was that press conference or that scrum that

1873
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: he did. So, yes, dude, did she handle it like

1874
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 2: that's the worst shit I've ever seen an elite fighter do.

1875
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 2: I've never seen them that before or since.

1876
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: At UFC two o five before the Way and they

1877
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: did the staredown with Newness and Rousey and she refused

1878
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 1: to do interviews there and there was a report she

1879
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 1: had a big meltdown backstage. So I'm not here to

1880
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: clown and anyone who had legitimate mental health challenges. And

1881
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: let's not forget she went on The Ellen Show and said,

1882
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, I considered suicide, Like that's serious to me.

1883
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,719
Speaker 1: But Luke, her handling of her exit from the sport

1884
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: and the Yeah, I mean, it's it's fucking disastrous. It's

1885
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: about as it's about as from high to as as

1886
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: low as you can get, and it it just was

1887
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: never a good look across the board. I mean, that's

1888
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: your personality in a lot of ways. Luke, it is

1889
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: what it is. But now I'm not gonna sit here

1890
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,799
Speaker 1: in damn paynia for finally getting to this point realizing

1891
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: how this game is played and then playing it. Luke, Okay,

1892
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: the thing is, Luke, you know, whether we're talking about

1893
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 1: corporate politics or whatever, it's a dirty game. You don't

1894
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: have to play it dirty to win, but you do

1895
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: have to play it. Okay, start playing that shit.

1896
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 2: Yes that is true. There's a couple of quick hitters

1897
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 2: on some fights that were made Yomblohovich versus rackets will

1898
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 2: be fourteenth.

1899
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: Kitlyn, Yeah, give me that ship, give me that.

1900
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 2: Same card, Kaitlyn Shukegi and Amanda Hebas May fourteenth, also BC.

1901
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: Luke Shukegian re signed and there it was up in

1902
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: the air that they might not resign her despite being

1903
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: ranked number two in the division.

1904
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 2: I wonder what kind of contract she took. I wonder

1905
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 2: what kind of contract she took because she didn't have

1906
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: much leverage. And then last, but not least, BC, we

1907
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: saw him box his amateur about with with a ton

1908
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 2: of terror in his face when he was getting punched.

1909
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 2: But Frank Gore is gonna make his pro boxing debut

1910
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 2: on May fourteenth with none other than game Bred Promotions,

1911
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 2: which I believe is four haem Masodol's organization.

1912
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: So and Looke nobody cares. But I got to take

1913
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: an l all dead wrong myself. That week that he

1914
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 1: was preparing to fight Darren Williams, the x NBA point guard.

1915
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: I went on this camera many times and said, guys,

1916
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: I've seen the look that I've needed to see. Frank

1917
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: Gorer is gonna go in there and commit him.

1918
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 2: I saw the same look. I was there with you.

1919
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: It was I was dead wrong because Darren Williams knew

1920
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: knew how to handle himself. Luke, Okay, you let those.

1921
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 2: Hey, that's that Fortius MMA training, bro. But yeah, dude,

1922
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 2: I mean Frank Gore looked intimidating as ship. What do

1923
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 2: you want me to say? Darren Williams was on. I mean,

1924
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 2: he's big too, but he was nice. He was you know,

1925
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 2: Frank Gore was kind of hunched over and just right, Lily.

1926
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 2: He was ready to hurt something. But that's why you

1927
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 2: gotta find him out. All right.

1928
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: Maybe those days are behind us, Luke, doing that, that's

1929
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 1: that celebrity stuff. Who knows, We'll see what happens, all right.

1930
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 2: From your lips to God's ears of real plans.

1931
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: Though, Okay, not only are you ready ready for real fights, Luke,

1932
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: we've got this great email address, So I want to

1933
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: instruct our fans. If you're gonna send ship, don't send

1934
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: it to BC's d MS. He's not going to help

1935
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: you out. Go to Mikey Mormal, our great producer at

1936
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: Morning Combat at gmail dot com. Friday's Dead Wrongs and

1937
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: Wednesday it's you and your tight T shirts that you

1938
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: bought from our merch site. Thank you very much. It's

1939
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:54,560
Speaker 1: called fan submissions. Who we've got mail listeners?

1940
01:27:55,120 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we need, we need, we need sound thing

1941
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 2: that we can play with that you've got mail and

1942
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 2: then someone going listeners.

1943
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm told by our staff that Rosie has touch base

1944
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: with our team. She says, thank you very much. She's

1945
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy those gift cards. Luke, got a whole lot

1946
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: of Rosie there.

1947
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, this could be a completely fabricated

1948
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 2: thing that we're just repeating from the producers because we've

1949
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: seen no evidence of this. But they claim that there's

1950
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 2: a Rosie and they claim that they've given her prizes.

1951
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 1: So they're like, please give us a five star review

1952
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: on Apple. We'll never give you anything, even though we

1953
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 1: claim we did. Yeah, that's great, Okay, we are giving

1954
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: them that live show. Luke, all right, we.

1955
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 2: All, yes, that's true. That part is true.

1956
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: Yes, ifw baby we start off with Ryan this week. Hey, guys,

1957
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: love the show and appreciate the analysis as well as

1958
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: the candor candor and topics outside of fighting. I hope

1959
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 1: this gets a chuckle or two from you.

1960
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 2: That's not how we spell tuki. We spell it like,

1961
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 2: you know, like it's written in Spanish, so we spell

1962
01:28:56,120 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 2: it tu qui. But the hilarity of this is they

1963
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 2: had sent this to me before the show, and I

1964
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 2: sent this to my wife and even she thought it

1965
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 2: was fucking hilarious. So yeah, it's good.

1966
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 1: So Luke, did they they send it to you to

1967
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: make sure yet you didn't flip out right because it's family.

1968
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: It's family.

1969
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just to make sure that it was all wholesome.

1970
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 2: And it's quite wholesome. It's very funny, Okay.

1971
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 1: Because if they put Reggie Jackson in a meme, you're

1972
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 1: damn right I'd be into that, Luke. Okay, there you go.

1973
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 1: This one's from Jordan, a self proclaimed MK superfan. Here.

1974
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: Not only am I in the audience all day nearly

1975
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: every day, I am currently in jail as it relates

1976
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,799
Speaker 1: to the January sixth unpleasantness. I have never worn gloves

1977
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 1: while lifting because I do not lift. That being said,

1978
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: I believe there is no upper bound limit to this meme.

1979
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: I've personally viewed it forty nine times and believe it

1980
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: a worthy addition to your program. If you want to

1981
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 1: win another award, you should do well to feature this

1982
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 1: meme on your program. Can we go full screen? I

1983
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 1: gotta read this show.

1984
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 2: They did, They did, but it's very This one is

1985
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 2: very good. Although in fairness, this has turned out to

1986
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 2: like the Purple Monkey dishwasher, where every time you tell

1987
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 2: the story, you slightly change one element of it so

1988
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 2: that over time it bears no resemblance to the actual story.

1989
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 2: The actual story was not in high school I could drink.

1990
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 2: I didn't drink hardly at all, and it will come

1991
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 2: as a great surprise GBC. I did not party much

1992
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 2: in high school made up for it in college. The

1993
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: argument was after college, when I had sort of fully

1994
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 2: filled out. I was about two thirty to forty that

1995
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 2: I remember one time I drank eighteen beers and I

1996
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 2: didn't feel a thing, And I remember that quite distinctly.

1997
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 2: So I had guessed that forty was possible at that point.

1998
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 2: That was that was like your.

1999
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 1: Lion, I said, you could still do it. I gotta

2000
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: find the tape. Maybe.

2001
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 2: Oh yes, there might have been a time early in

2002
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 2: MK when I was drinking every day where I probably

2003
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 2: could have. But today I don't think I could drink

2004
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 2: four without fucking croaking.

2005
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: You're like I could dunk. I could drink forty beers

2006
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 1: and then, you know, to be fair, Luke, you too.

2007
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 1: People think we didn't tell the name of the liquor

2008
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 1: that you shot because we were drinking.

2009
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:54,600
Speaker 2: It was it, Actually, I forget kick Boy Wigsky.

2010
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 1: It wasn't Luke. It was the Kraken that you But

2011
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: there's a reason why we didn't tell you because one

2012
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: time you disparaged a sponsor on air and they had

2013
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: to reprimand you.

2014
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 2: So yes, I did despair. I didn't know they were

2015
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 2: a sponsor, So what do you want me to do?

2016
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 1: To the track and got you loose. I thought you're

2017
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: gonna take your top off.

2018
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 2: Luca was a kid also also, I didn't feel a

2019
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 2: thing from that.

2020
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: But you know, oh oh sorry, let me get corrected here,

2021
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: dead wrong me. On a Wednesday, our producer Ashley who's

2022
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 1: given this show a lot of great things, including our

2023
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 1: new set and one time covid. Luke, she says, it's

2024
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: Bacardi spiced rum that you drag to of Yeah.

2025
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 2: Who smiles less Ashley or grumpy cat?

2026
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah apparently the yeah, I won't say anything else said Okay, yeah,

2027
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: all right, let's keep it going. We love Ashley. This

2028
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,959
Speaker 1: one's from Derek. Hey guys, Derek the Barber here from Cordeline, Idaho.

2029
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: Looking forward to seeing you guys in July for International

2030
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 1: Fight Week. It blows my mind how terrible BC is

2031
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: with names and words like ear. I'm glad he's a

2032
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: good sport about being hazed. Also, it's Michelle Porea, not

2033
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: Potato or Potato. You simple fucking c.

2034
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 2: I know you kept saying on the show. You kept

2035
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 2: saying Mary Bell.

2036
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 1: That's how they say in my country, Luke. I'm sorry

2037
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 1: me and a Bell, Luke. If we ever make it

2038
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: to Idaho. I want Derek Shape cutting my hair Okay,

2039
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 1: and he won't charge one hundred bucks either, I'll tell

2040
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 1: you that much better.

2041
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 2: Not I'm getting my hair cut today. I'm gonna get

2042
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:24,520
Speaker 2: fucking robbed.

2043
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 1: Again in your house? Or are you going somewhere.

2044
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm going to the place I go to.

2045
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 2: But it's fucking all.

2046
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: Right, what's the what's the what's the listed price? Because

2047
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 1: I pay twenty four but I get a massage and

2048
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: I get a hair wash and a face thing.

2049
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 2: So I got a hair wash, I got a hair wash,

2050
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 2: and they'll do a slight beer trim for free, and

2051
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 2: then the list price is eighty five.

2052
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 1: Get the luke? Luke? What is wrong? Bro? What is

2053
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 1: wrong with you? Bro?

2054
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 2: Dude? I can't how many times you have to have

2055
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 2: this fucking argument. Have I not shown you real estate

2056
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 2: prices in this city. I've literally sent you pictures of

2057
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 2: what shit goes for you. You told me, out of

2058
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 2: fucking control that.

2059
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 1: Your haircut was regular price, like fifty bucks because it's

2060
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 1: prime hipster city.

2061
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 2: I okay, hold on, okay, So the best haircut I

2062
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 2: ever got? So the best haircut ever got. I went

2063
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 2: to a place years and years ago. They still might

2064
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 2: be around. It's a chain in this area. There might

2065
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 2: be a couple outside of DC. It's called the Grooming Lounge,

2066
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 2: And I used to go there and they would bring

2067
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 2: you a cocktail, they do a massage, they do the

2068
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 2: face towel, whole thing forty five bucks, and I met

2069
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 2: a lady there. She quit grooming lounge, but she was

2070
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 2: so good. She came to my house for a couple

2071
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 2: of years and would cut my hair, same price every time.

2072
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 2: But she moved to another part of the country and

2073
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 2: I lost. And so I went a couple places that

2074
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 2: were like thirty and forty and they were fucking my

2075
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 2: hair up. I went to this other place. It's eighty

2076
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 2: five ninety and dude, I grant that is an insane

2077
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,640
Speaker 2: shit price to pay. I don't like it, but I

2078
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 2: don't know where to go to get a price for back.

2079
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 2: I'm back at fifty.

2080
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: If you can show me that price, I'll do it reach.

2081
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: If it doesn't come within around if you get what

2082
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying, then it's a ripoff. Luke. And by the way,

2083
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: one day, when two Key follows Uncle Gringo's journey into

2084
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 1: community college, I'll call her up and tell her you

2085
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 1: couldn't afford it.

2086
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 2: You see, you're coming to the city on what day,

2087
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 2: So you're coming in June or whatever, right Father's Day.

2088
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 2: Here's my challenge to you. You seem to think that

2089
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 2: I am very confused and that you can navigate the

2090
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 2: city's haircutting places far easier than I could. Challenge is on, buddy,

2091
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 2: you can come here. Show me a place. Show me

2092
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 2: a place where you can get a fifty dollars haircut

2093
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 2: that looks good in the city. Show me.

2094
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: There were years in this job. Twenty nineteen is one

2095
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 1: of them where I was just traveling a stupid amount

2096
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: almost every other week. Dude, I've gotten haircuts in Las Vegas,

2097
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: New York, Los Angeles.

2098
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 2: It's not.

2099
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 1: It's just not. It's not, Luke.

2100
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,679
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I've gotten haircuts. When I went to Vegas

2101
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 2: for the Canelo fight, I got a haircut for fifty bucks. Dude,

2102
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm interested in fifty dollars haircut places that do a

2103
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 2: good job.

2104
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: I might point f them. My point is, Luke, you'll

2105
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 1: agree with this. While you sometimes can have a nice

2106
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 1: styled head of hair, you don't have like elaborate, you know,

2107
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: bgl hair that needs to be like per and like

2108
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

2109
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 2: Look, am I telling you that my haircut is amazing?

2110
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 2: Have I ever said that? It's a very stand every

2111
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 2: time I go. I went to Cartagena and I was

2112
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:11,759
Speaker 2: showing the guy on my phone. What kind of haircut

2113
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 2: I want? He's like, oh, it's a classic cut. I'm like, yeah,

2114
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 2: that's all I want. Bro, I just want a classic cut.

2115
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Dude helped me. If if

2116
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 2: you got to figure it out, by all means, Bro,

2117
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 2: throw down that challenge. I would love to see it.

2118
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 2: I would love to see it.

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Speaker 5: Can I give a quick shout out? I Luke. I

2120
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 5: don't get cheap haircuts either, but I gotta give it.

2121
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 5: Give a quick shout to my barber, Dion, because he

2122
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 5: loves combat sports and I talk to him about combat

2123
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 5: sports every time I get a haircut, and I put

2124
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 5: him onto MK and all the Showtime ship shout out

2125
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 5: to my barber.

2126
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 2: You gotta ask Dion to come to the MK studios

2127
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 2: and hook it up. That's what you gotta do, Bro.

2128
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 5: I'll ask him, I'm getting a haircut in the next

2129
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 5: couple of days.

2130
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 2: I'll ask him.

2131
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 1: Tell him watching that comedy special let Showtime put a

2132
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,640
Speaker 1: couple years ago. You you might be surprised, and uh,

2133
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 1: do you know what here?

2134
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,440
Speaker 2: You are?

2135
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: Not as a barber named Jamal who's Asian as shit.

2136
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 1: I listened to Luke. Okay, I'm telling you this, all right,

2137
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: it was it was great. All right. Here's Dave from Baltimore,

2138
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:09,759
Speaker 1: the Beltway Factory Town. Longtime Luke fan, but BC's growing

2139
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 1: on me. I don't hate him or gas station delicacies

2140
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: once in a while, best show in the game. Keep

2141
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 1: on dalkin. What is this here?

2142
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little involved. It's a little involved. But

2143
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 2: the gas station Takito safe Place might be the hit

2144
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 2: of this whole thing.

2145
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Oh got, Luke? Imagine if we if you and I

2146
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 1: sat down for some type of long range interview with

2147
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 1: Anthony Smith and we just put it all on the table,

2148
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 1: that might be needed. Luke, Okay, let's just air all

2149
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: the grievances out.

2150
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 2: I think that's I think we're due. I think we're due.

2151
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Lionheart, I wonder if Lionheart's factory time him

2152
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 1: am a ready And I just haven't haven't realized.

2153
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:51,600
Speaker 2: This, Luke, Yeah, you haven't realized that. That's that's the

2154
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 2: reality him.

2155
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 1: I could train together. It'd be great. You know. I

2156
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: can maybe turn him against you. That'd be a nice

2157
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:00,839
Speaker 1: turn of events. Hey, Danger Mouse is back with memes

2158
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 1: to showcase the glory of MK winning not one but

2159
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 1: two awards last week, So congratulations from me. And now

2160
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,680
Speaker 1: on with the memes. Just a quick topical one to

2161
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 1: start with.

2162
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 2: A little strong, A little strong.

2163
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 1: But we but we served people up with that with

2164
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 1: that slap, you know what I'm saying. Second, Lean now, BC,

2165
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 1: you said you wanted to give Luke a gold vape pen,

2166
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 1: so I've designed one for you. I think I've done

2167
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: pretty well on the wording on the plaque. Maybe to

2168
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 1: my friend co host fellow Donkin Award winner. Every time

2169
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 1: you suck on this, think of me, your friend Brian Campbell.

2170
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 2: Wow, Luke, I've used that too, Yeah, you would.

2171
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 1: And finally we have Luke's family's reaction to the news

2172
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:46,799
Speaker 1: of the award.

2173
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 2: God. Oh that one hits close to home. Yeah, God,

2174
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:02,759
Speaker 2: damn that is vicious. Yeah wow, all right, hey big

2175
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 2: The best part is, dude, the best part is they

2176
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 2: can do this because they'll never see it. They'll never

2177
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 2: see it.

2178
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 1: They'll never see it. No, they won't, they won't. Hey,

2179
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 1: Antoine from Alaska sent us one. I don't think you

2180
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 1: sent it to the address. Send that shit in. I

2181
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: want to see the mountains with you, dude. That guy Antoine,

2182
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 1: the guy that ran the steps of January sixth and

2183
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 1: kept running to Alaska. The guys pulls off chigs at

2184
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 1: six foot eight there in Alaska, just sweep. Look I

2185
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 1: would do. I bet it's deadwood south there, Dakota, Like

2186
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: I would do damage up there in that fiftieth state,

2187
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 1: Luke forty ninth whatever, all right?

2188
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 2: Damage to your liver?

2189
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, damage to your dong? All right? This one's from

2190
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 1: at Rodriguez Works. Good morning, gents, I would like to

2191
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 1: introduce you to an MK Ultra comic cover starring Luke

2192
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 1: Thomas and King CT. I won't bore you with all

2193
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 1: the details of the Zombie Horde, but I'm sure you'll

2194
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:53,759
Speaker 1: figure out all of the Easter eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs.

2195
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:56,759
Speaker 1: Coming from an OG listener who has suffered the pressures

2196
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:01,799
Speaker 1: of rage, tirades, rants, now practices tech difficulties, dick jokes,

2197
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: soap boxes, insults, hearts on sleeves, and joy. We are loyal,

2198
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 1: we are the crushed, We are the diamond Donks and yes,

2199
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 1: Donk is played out your thoughts on this.

2200
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 2: Go back and blow it up a little bit here.

2201
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 1: Let me see this, Yeah, Corey, can you blow this guy?

2202
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,760
Speaker 2: Okay? So I get a couple of these. The hot

2203
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 2: dog I get. The person next to the dinosaur skeleton

2204
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 2: is because you said people and man walked on Earth

2205
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 2: at the same time. The sad guitarist with his shoes

2206
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 2: on tied. That's Jay right, and I guess I guess

2207
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 2: that's Anthony Smith at the top. And then the old

2208
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 2: person is like the one you make fun of on

2209
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 2: what you call it?

2210
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's in the top left? Can we zoom

2211
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 1: in on?

2212
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 2: That?

2213
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 1: Is that a Texas flag?

2214
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 2: Okay? So it's the BBL to the far left. Who

2215
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 2: am I punching with the weights? That's the one I

2216
01:39:57,880 --> 01:39:58,639
Speaker 2: don't quite get.

2217
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 1: Shake that guy's got two shake weights.

2218
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't get that one. Then the

2219
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:13,600
Speaker 2: Davy Crockett hat is that Shotcott rochmanov? All right? So

2220
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 2: who's the dude with the acts? Uh my live? You

2221
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 2: cut out? Or BC's cut out? Okay, BC's cut out?

2222
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 2: All right? So all right? So then there's the predator

2223
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 2: holding the flag of I'm not sure what that is.

2224
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:34,639
Speaker 2: And then in the far back, I don't know what

2225
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 2: that is at all. What do we know what that is? Cory?

2226
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 2: You got any guesses? I guess it's just h Yeah,

2227
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 2: no worries. Uh. Well, I gotta say this is the

2228
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 2: most devotion to an art project around MK that I

2229
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:58,520
Speaker 2: think I've ever seen, short of the unbelievable photoshops of webscream.

2230
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. I think.

2231
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 5: I think that is that dude, the guy who sings

2232
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 5: those terrible those songs, the guy in the purple jacket.

2233
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 2: At the very top left. Oh no, no, no, the bottom

2234
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 2: and bottom left. Yeah, with the weights. Yeah, that might be,

2235
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:16,799
Speaker 2: but I don't know why he's got weights.

2236
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,960
Speaker 5: All right, give us a second, we'll push it back in.

2237
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're can they can they hear b C or not?

2238
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 2: They can't hear b C? I see BC on zoom. Uh,

2239
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:35,679
Speaker 2: he's gonna join us here in a second. I gotta

2240
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 2: say this is pretty well done drawing. Uh. I guess

2241
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 2: BC side is a little bit more decipherable than mine.

2242
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 2: But I gotta say me being the incredible Hulk and

2243
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 2: all green and punching someone in the face, very on brand,

2244
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 2: very on brand, love that one a lot. That's good. Yeah,

2245
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,120
Speaker 2: we're still waiting on BC's thing. Hey put this on.

2246
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 2: My wife got me a new vape, which I should

2247
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 2: not be smoking, but you know, addiction is a funny thing.

2248
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:07,679
Speaker 2: Check this out. It lights up ready, I'm a fucking

2249
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:15,640
Speaker 2: two year old. Hey, we got that, all right? We

2250
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:17,360
Speaker 2: can close the show, can't we? I mean, what are

2251
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 2: we doing? All right? BC is saying not to close it.

2252
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 2: He's saying not to close it because he wants to

2253
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 2: get back on. We have one more fan sub, perfect timing,

2254
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 2: all right. BC says I can throw to it now.

2255
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,680
Speaker 2: I don't have any setup here, but we're gonna play it.

2256
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 2: So this is the last at Crazy Cromps. He made

2257
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 2: the last fan sub. Let's let's let's hit it if

2258
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 2: we can.

2259
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,599
Speaker 7: Cory, what's up, Donks, I'm here in Liverpool with yours

2260
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 7: truly the only Scouts John Sixer when he got three

2261
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:52,639
Speaker 7: things to say, Brian, fuck you on, fuck your liver too, Luke,

2262
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 7: fuck you and your liberal coffee Orderson. Thirdly, emost importantly,

2263
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 7: I best get some free merch for this. Let's go

2264
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 7: boys MK all day, every single day.

2265
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if that is just not the greatest thing

2266
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 2: you've ever seen in your life, I really don't know

2267
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 2: what is they Okay, So BC wants me to tell

2268
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 2: you guys that that guy is going to get free merch,

2269
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 2: because that was unbelievable. That was perfect, That's exactly what

2270
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 2: we want. And if you notice that was the poster

2271
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 2: that was up on one of the I guess famous

2272
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 2: bridges in Liverpool. Pard of me, I don't know a

2273
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:33,599
Speaker 2: lot about Liverpool billboard. Excuse me, billboard, not poster billboard.

2274
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 2: And we were like to take a picture where her

2275
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:38,639
Speaker 2: get some free merch. My guy who has a Scouse accent,

2276
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 2: loving Trump. You don't see a whole lot of those,

2277
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 2: I guess. Nevertheless, though he did it with exactly what

2278
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 2: we asked. He insulted us, which is perfect. You will

2279
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 2: get free merch, sir, you will get free merch. Tell

2280
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 2: him to Oh okay, so email the show sir, Morningcombat

2281
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com, Morningcombat at gmail dot com, and

2282
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:58,680
Speaker 2: we will get you some free merch. All right, we

2283
01:43:58,680 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 2: can hear.

2284
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 1: Now back just in time for you to close the show.

2285
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 1: But that guy was that guy? How's that guy not

2286
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: live in you know, somewhere in a van down by

2287
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:09,599
Speaker 1: the river. Ready to run the steps again, Luke, this

2288
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:10,640
Speaker 1: guy's fantastic.

2289
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:13,559
Speaker 2: You know what, if you're gonna flee the scene after

2290
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:15,799
Speaker 2: January sixth, you might as well, just go leave the country.

2291
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 2: That's really the key here. Might as well just go

2292
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 2: back to Liverpool.

2293
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:21,559
Speaker 1: Apologies for the tech difficulties, Luke, I forgot to plug

2294
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 1: it in. I mean, that's that's where we're at with

2295
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: this award winning show.

2296
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 2: I guess right, listen for once. It ain't me for once, motherfucker.

2297
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, BC, good show today. The Dimitrius Johnson

2298
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 2: Interview One More Time is out win.

2299
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 1: It'll be out later today three point thirty pm Eastern Time.

2300
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:46,400
Speaker 1: Go to YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat and you

2301
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 1: can check it out. Okay, so there you go. There's

2302
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 1: our social handles. Luke, I'll I might be going on

2303
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 1: vacation or I might not. We'll see if my family

2304
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:54,679
Speaker 1: can recover.

2305
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 2: Well, if not, you'll be on the show with us

2306
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 2: on Friday. And excuse me if you if you don't

2307
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:00,720
Speaker 2: go on vacation, will be with us on the show

2308
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:02,680
Speaker 2: on Friday. If you are on vacation, we'll still have

2309
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 2: a good Friday preview show as well. We're working on

2310
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 2: that already, So thumbs up on the video. Hit subscribe again.

2311
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 2: Showtime is a label that pays showtime dot Com thirty

2312
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 2: day free trial if you'll like it, you can keep it.

2313
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:14,720
Speaker 2: If not, you can bounce. Morning Coombat dot Store is

2314
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 2: gonna be the place to get that merch, and again

2315
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 2: we will send it out to the person who what

2316
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 2: was his name Krusty Clown or Krusty Krumps or whatever

2317
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 2: the fuck.

2318
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,519
Speaker 1: His name was at Crazy Cromps.

2319
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 2: Crazy Cromps, Crazy Cromps. We'll get you some merch as well.

2320
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks to everyone who watched, We'll be back

2321
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:36,639
Speaker 2: on Friday. Got a lot more content in the in between,

2322
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 2: so thanks to Malka CBS Sports BC's live view and showtime.

2323
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 2: Until next time, May all of your gains be loyal,