Speaker 1: What's up. I'm Devin Simone and.
Speaker 2: I am Davon Rogers, and this is MTV's official challenge podcast.
Speaker 3: In case they cut it, that was the second take
Speaker 3: we had to do because they've only choken other words.
Speaker 4: We are excited.
Speaker 3: I love you so much. We have so much fun
Speaker 3: on this podcast. We have so much fun with you
Speaker 3: guys listening, and we appreciate you, and we had so
Speaker 3: much fun watching this episode. Doday, How did you feel
Speaker 3: about cradled Cranium, which is a weird name, by the way,
Speaker 3: But trivia?
Speaker 1: How did you feel about Insane?
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of the trivia's across the board,
Speaker 2: but this one right here seemed a little bit more intense,
Speaker 2: like watching CT get hurt.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yea yeah, I'm.
Speaker 4: Glad I wasn't up there. How do you feel about that, Devin?
Speaker 1: I love trivia.
Speaker 3: The first time of dig Trivia, we too were sort
Speaker 3: of situated backwards. We were in these like school desks
Speaker 3: that flipped over backwards. But then the second time in
Speaker 3: dig Trivia, I won that one. I was quite proud.
Speaker 3: It was one of my only solo challenges. Everyone this
Speaker 3: trivia seemed hard. I didn't know and we do the podcast.
Speaker 3: We are supposed to know these facts. Yeah, I forget
Speaker 3: things quickly. I didn't remember. I got like a couple
Speaker 3: answers correct, but I did get the one who went
Speaker 3: into politics answer. I was actually surprised more of them
Speaker 3: didn't get that. But yeah, there was a lot of
Speaker 3: them that I didn't know. So I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't have done so well on this. Do
Speaker 3: you feel like you would have done a lot? Because
Speaker 3: I feel like you remember things better, so I feel
Speaker 3: like you actually probably would have done it well.
Speaker 2: No, I really like put me down. My anxiety would
Speaker 2: have kicked in from being up here.
Speaker 4: I don't like heights. It thought it'd been like drop
Speaker 4: me please.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Emily, by the way, on controlling that fall.
Speaker 4: I was so impressed.
Speaker 2: I was so so impressed with her, Like that was
Speaker 2: so so so good.
Speaker 4: To watch Kyland.
Speaker 1: Mm hm baby, why you pick first of all?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, now Paul's because when he's when he jumped
Speaker 2: up in said geography, I was immediately I would have
Speaker 2: put every dime quarter penny I had in the bank
Speaker 2: that Kylon was going to get it correct, and he
Speaker 2: went for four hundred. He didn't do geography one hundred.
Speaker 2: It's that geography four hundred and went out there like
Speaker 2: and fell on his face.
Speaker 5: He tried.
Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes you got a swing big and just
Speaker 3: be prepared to hope there's a body of water waiting.
Speaker 1: For you and you miss.
Speaker 3: Oh in this instance there was I respect him at
Speaker 3: least for trying, but I did expect overall Era four
Speaker 3: to four. Now, I know that eras like one and
Speaker 3: two lived through a lot of this trivia. But also
Speaker 3: when you get older, your memory may or may not
Speaker 3: be exactly what it once was. But so many of
Speaker 3: the people in Era four that we've had on the
Speaker 3: podcast in the past have spoken about how they wanted
Speaker 3: to be a part of the challenge because they recognize
Speaker 3: it is a legendary, iconic show, and how they've watched
Speaker 3: all the episodes, they studied the players. They have said
Speaker 3: this themselves, this is not an assumption. So I would
Speaker 3: have expected them to know more the answers for some
Speaker 3: of these iconic questions that TJ was asking, just given
Speaker 3: what they've said, and yeah, these people did not be
Speaker 3: knowing at all at all.
Speaker 1: It was wild. And then we get into sudden death. Oh,
Speaker 1: that was really interesting Jordan.
Speaker 2: Jordan's okay, okay, hypothetically right, Let's say.
Speaker 4: He did not get a confessional. If he didn't get
Speaker 4: a confessional, would you have thought he threw it?
Speaker 3: So Initially when he when he didn't get it right,
Speaker 3: I didn't think that much of it. But then when
Speaker 3: I heard Corey and them talking about it, and Corey
Speaker 3: doesn't always make sense, but when he does, he does,
Speaker 3: and in this moment, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: you're right?
Speaker 1: Like, and then when Corey was.
Speaker 3: Like he was at the baby shower, then it was like, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: come on, this isn't random trivia now at this point,
Speaker 3: this is your like real life that you live or
Speaker 3: are a part of.
Speaker 1: How do you get that wrong?
Speaker 3: It would be like me getting Cadence's name wrong, Like
Speaker 3: that's not that's just not.
Speaker 1: I feel if you told on.
Speaker 2: Himself when he tried to say chantal, well, first of all,
Speaker 2: you know it's a fight, so you already saw it
Speaker 2: on yourself. Playa, you're not telling yourself. And then for
Speaker 2: you to say chantel you knew she was black, there's
Speaker 2: another thing.
Speaker 4: Play a.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you did a very bad job, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I and so and so in coming up with the
Speaker 2: assumption that he did throw it, is this based on
Speaker 2: a deal with Laurel and Johnny you.
Speaker 3: Think, I mean, I don't think Johnny's that involved. I
Speaker 3: think this is a long term politicking play perhaps.
Speaker 1: And I and.
Speaker 3: You know, like on one hand, it's like, oh, we
Speaker 3: are still on the team, so you want to see
Speaker 3: team unity. But on the other hand, Jordan's smart. He's
Speaker 3: very smart, very smart player, and he saw an opportunity.
Speaker 1: And took it. And I don't think it was a
Speaker 1: bad thing.
Speaker 3: And I think to me, one of the hardest things
Speaker 3: about when you win, it's so great to be in
Speaker 3: the middle because when you win and then you have
Speaker 3: to fire shots at other people, it then like automatically
Speaker 3: puts you at a greater risk. So not only are
Speaker 3: it a risk because you want, so everybody saw that
Speaker 3: you want, so they see you as a threat, but
Speaker 3: then you're a risk because you then have to take shots,
Speaker 3: whether that's voting people in or whatever else. So being
Speaker 3: just right underneath that, if you can guarantee you're not
Speaker 3: going into elimination is the way to play.
Speaker 1: It's the way to go.
Speaker 3: And by him doing that meant his hands didn't have
Speaker 3: to get dirty, and if he trusted Laurel, which they
Speaker 3: have a long history. And I will say this about Laurel,
Speaker 3: like she does some stuff a lot of people don't like,
Speaker 3: a lot of us don't like. But something I feel
Speaker 3: like I have seen her do consistently, and maybe some
Speaker 3: people might attribute it to when she plays less emotionally
Speaker 3: and a little like is that she sometimes operates black
Speaker 3: and white. So if she says she's going to do something, like,
Speaker 3: I would take it to the bank. Like if she says,
Speaker 3: cool this next one, you're I'm not voting for you,
Speaker 3: I would take that to the bank, or vice versa.
Speaker 3: She's like, I can't promise you that, then you better
Speaker 3: be worried because it means she might be coming for you.
Speaker 3: So if he made an agreement with her, he's sitting
Speaker 3: pretty right like he feels pretty.
Speaker 1: And I think the same is true for Jordan.
Speaker 3: If he tells you he's gonna do something, he's gonna
Speaker 3: take it to the bank, right Like, It's not like
Speaker 3: a bananas where you don't really fully know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So or Josh or Josh speaking of Josh now nominating himself.
Speaker 2: Speaking of josh Oh, I just I'm have to have
Speaker 2: a little talk with my friend, because what are you doing?
Speaker 2: That is not what we discussed before you entered that house.
Speaker 2: We did not discuss you throwing yourself into eliminations. That
Speaker 2: was not a part of the speech, sir, go back
Speaker 2: and rewind it, because that wasn't it. I was very
Speaker 2: surprised that him, of all people, would say that.
Speaker 4: And I understand.
Speaker 2: You know, he's excited because he's been training and he
Speaker 2: probably want to show himself and prove himself and all
Speaker 2: of the things. But time and a place. Friend, Now,
Speaker 2: you don't think he should have volunteered himself at all.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: See, here's my thought on this. I agree to less agree.
Speaker 3: I here's the thing. I think if you can do
Speaker 3: it and come out, it can give you so much
Speaker 3: play in the long because then you can tell everyone else,
Speaker 3: not just on your team, but other players when you're
Speaker 3: trying to wheel and deal closer to the end. Look,
Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm a woman. I'm a person of
Speaker 3: my word. Right Like, look I do if I promise
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do X, Y and Z, you can
Speaker 3: trust that. And that's like a really powerful currency in
Speaker 3: this game. So I actually think strategically, if you can
Speaker 3: do it and come back, it's it is a very
Speaker 3: powerful move I think for long term gameplay. But the
Speaker 3: worst thing you can do is Josh saying he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna do it and then backing up.
Speaker 2: Oh, that is Kyler Knoff, complete opposite his Kylanoff, And
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the worst things you can
Speaker 2: do is in a situation where you have to be
Speaker 2: on a team, cause distrust right in your team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh just got himself.
Speaker 3: Yeah in a world he's just Oh Josh, we love you, man,
Speaker 3: but you're just messy.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who put themselves in
Speaker 2: good positions and terrible positions.
Speaker 4: This particular episode.
Speaker 1: Just one have a bald head.
Speaker 4: So why not just roll on into the gold stars
Speaker 4: and timeouts.
Speaker 1: Since we're here.
Speaker 2: Usually I go first, and I always get in trouble
Speaker 2: because I divide mines like pie.
Speaker 4: But now we're gonna throw the ball over to Devin.
Speaker 2: So tell us your goal stars and your timeouts for
Speaker 2: this episode. Mm.
Speaker 3: Okay, first I'm gonna do my era ranking and then
Speaker 3: I think I'll go into goals like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so my ranking.
Speaker 3: For participation this season, I'm gonna have to say, is
Speaker 3: Era four, how do you guys not know any of
Speaker 3: the trivia questions when literally you had one job?
Speaker 1: I just expected more. I expected more from you guys.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you can't come back from it, but
Speaker 3: you're gonna get the Clear Participation Trophy for Bronze this episode.
Speaker 3: I am going to give it to Era one because also,
Speaker 3: you guys lived through so much of this, like you,
Speaker 3: I also expected just more. I expected more from me,
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna have to do that silver my era
Speaker 3: ranking goes to it's probably gonna have to go to
Speaker 3: Era three. I think they played a decent game. I
Speaker 3: think Jordan was smart if he did throw it, But
Speaker 3: the fact that none of the other team really knew
Speaker 3: what was going on already highlights a weakness amongst the team. Right.
Speaker 3: It tells me that Jordan doesn't see the team is
Speaker 3: particularly trustworthy because none of them were in on the
Speaker 3: moves he's making. And then Gold's going to go to
Speaker 3: Era two because they won and they did a really
Speaker 3: great job this week.
Speaker 1: Now my time out is going to have to go to.
Speaker 3: It's a mix between Darrell and Josh Durell and Josh,
Speaker 3: are my timeouts Darrell, because I just don't love to
Speaker 3: see messi Durell And I know he gets frantic, I know,
Speaker 3: but I love the fun like Harry Durell. And this
Speaker 3: is now at least the second episode, if not third,
Speaker 3: that we've seen him kind of all over the place,
Speaker 3: particularly with regard to women he's had friendships with and
Speaker 3: histories in that way with for a very long time.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like he's playing a straight up game.
Speaker 3: Don't love that and Josh for obvious reasons. And then
Speaker 3: my gold Star is going to go to.
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna say, My Okay, fine, I'm
Speaker 3: being a davon this episode got my star. My gold
Speaker 3: star is in fact going to be split between Anissa
Speaker 3: and how well. I feel like she played that elimination
Speaker 3: like she really did kill it and like girl wasn't
Speaker 3: out of breath, she fought hard. I think she just
Speaker 3: did an exceptional job with it. Yeah, and Derek for
Speaker 3: his presentation. I appreciate Derek's Diagraham and how much work
Speaker 3: can he went in the class. And also I don't
Speaker 3: know if you caught it when he pleaded his case
Speaker 3: He then looked at the other teams as he was
Speaker 3: basically saying, put them in and not us, and goes respectfully,
Speaker 3: of course, like I love that. I love d Money
Speaker 3: for that. It was very entertaining. What about you day,
Speaker 3: What are your rankings.
Speaker 2: So back to back because they were the same last week,
Speaker 2: and so we are on the same page with the
Speaker 2: rankings Era one, I gave bronze Era two, gold Era three,
Speaker 2: silver Era four. Thank you for showing up right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so now my timeout, my time out of the
Speaker 2: week is gonna go to Jordan. Okay, So just because
Speaker 2: I just I can't get past that, Okay, like you,
Speaker 2: dag nabbit, I can't get past it.
Speaker 3: Is it because you feel like he betrayed his team
Speaker 3: or is it because you don't let like you think
Speaker 3: he really didn't know the answer.
Speaker 2: I can't get past it because, okay, if you're gonna
Speaker 2: throw a competition.
Speaker 4: We want to know why.
Speaker 2: And so I'm giving him the time out for not
Speaker 2: telling us why, Like in your confessional, that's your opportunity
Speaker 2: to tell us the truth. I don't care about you
Speaker 2: throwing a challenge that happens all the time, but I
Speaker 2: wanted to know why like you left the viewer. I'm thirsty,
Speaker 2: like we want to know what was the purpose of it.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna give you my time out for not
Speaker 2: telling us why. I'm also gonna give it to Kylin
Speaker 2: because I expected better Kyline. And then for my gold Star,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna divide it and you're going to be very
Speaker 2: shocked with one of my and the reasons why. Okay,
Speaker 2: so half of my Star, of course, is gonna go
Speaker 2: to Aliminisa, so proud of her giving it her all,
Speaker 2: not tapping out, like my.
Speaker 4: Girl came and did what she had to do right.
Speaker 4: And then the other half of my star. It's so
Speaker 4: small and so.
Speaker 2: Like childish, but I loved it. Was TJ breaking the
Speaker 2: fourth wall that made me so happy when he did that,
Speaker 2: when he was talking about trivia and he was like,
Speaker 2: you guys hate it, but we love it and we.
Speaker 4: Looked at us like us at home. I thought it
Speaker 4: was so good. So I'm gonna give it to TJ.
Speaker 4: And that's that's all I got.
Speaker 1: I love TJ.
Speaker 3: And we have to shout out his wardrobe this week.
Speaker 3: I did like the green green, I think is your color.
Speaker 3: Teach it works well, you kind of have some green
Speaker 3: in the suit that you wore for the opening ceremony party.
Speaker 3: Really love that, lean into that, teach that sort of
Speaker 3: emerald green really works for you.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 3: Something else that really works is our girl, a Nissa.
Speaker 3: She is one of the hardest working people on the
Speaker 3: Challenge and we are so excited to have her here today.
Speaker 3: Alima Nissa is coming to talk about everything that went down,
Speaker 3: how shocking it was. I don't think we've seen her
Speaker 3: go home this early in a very long time, so
Speaker 3: it's sort of a shock to the system. But she's
Speaker 3: going to walk us through everything that went down, how
Speaker 3: she's feeling about this season, what her Karma rankings were,
Speaker 3: some of them may surprise you. And just to know
Speaker 3: before we get into this interview, we will be off
Speaker 3: next week for the VMAs, but don't worry, we'll be
Speaker 3: back the following week. Okay, you've heard Anissa talk about
Speaker 3: the Challenge, she hosts the podcast with us, but you
Speaker 3: are going to get to hear from her in a
Speaker 3: different way this time, so you're definitely not going to
Speaker 3: want to miss it.
Speaker 2: Okay, And I am so excited because not only is
Speaker 2: this guest my podcast sister, she's my sister period. Okay,
Speaker 2: we have the Anissa.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say your name correctly. Ferrera aka Aliminissa is in.
Speaker 3: The Okay, I love Aliminissa. How did it take so
Speaker 3: long for us to get there? Because that was well deserved.
Speaker 3: Alimonissa is so good.
Speaker 1: That was good.
Speaker 5: It's Derek Chavez because it was like ooh, drunksha, like
Speaker 5: it was just a thin that be going and we
Speaker 5: were just down there for because those eliminations were a
Speaker 5: little bit longer than you know what they show. So
Speaker 5: we just went back and forth with all of the things,
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh my god, this coulds tick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you need to get it on tank like legit, legit.
Speaker 5: I just see all all the shirts, all the merch,
Speaker 5: you know, sin one to Rihanna. I bet you she'd rocket.
Speaker 5: I bet you she.
Speaker 1: Would if you got an Alimonisa shirt.
Speaker 5: Let me just figure out how I can get in
Speaker 5: touch with her people to get her a T.
Speaker 1: Shirt and then send us one. Of course, sant thank you.
Speaker 5: I will maybe let me.
Speaker 4: See if heard her number in my pet.
Speaker 3: We are excited to have you back home in your
Speaker 3: podcast home right, it's been a while.
Speaker 1: Not excited for the reason.
Speaker 3: But we're excited to talk to you about everything that
Speaker 3: the curd on this episode because girl, you were killing it.
Speaker 1: I mean, Harriet, yes, yeah, my mind you want Yeah.
Speaker 4: In my mind, no shades to Jenny, love her down.
Speaker 2: But in my mind, if the rules were different, okay,
Speaker 2: and that drop of that ball.
Speaker 4: Did not matter, you had her ate up.
Speaker 2: I said, Anissa is about to take out Jenny.
Speaker 4: Baby.
Speaker 2: That's enough to talk about in these streets, as if
Speaker 2: your reputation in itself is enough to talk about.
Speaker 4: But that right there would have been like boop.
Speaker 2: And I still think I still think you have Bragg
Speaker 2: and Rice because you was on there.
Speaker 1: You didn't slow down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, Cardio was top tier.
Speaker 1: Think you like you was on it.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: How long did that take overall, because you were saying
Speaker 3: these eliminations were longer, like.
Speaker 5: Probably an hour. So this is the thing. It was
Speaker 5: way longer than the guys. And when we went I
Speaker 5: tore my purple like thing off because I was like,
Speaker 5: fuck man, I target, I was so earth and I
Speaker 5: got there and I'm like, I've played jacks before, yeah,
Speaker 5: except there was a bouncy ball and I'm smaller, and
Speaker 5: there wasn't a bamboo thing in a basketball I've also
Speaker 5: played basketball. I'm also an athlete, So it's just like
Speaker 5: I don't care what you would have put in front
Speaker 5: of me. I would have given it everything. Now did
Speaker 5: I doubt myself a little bit? Sure? You look at Jenny,
Speaker 5: she's a specimen. But then I'm like, wait a second,
Speaker 5: You're also still in this fight, Like you also can
Speaker 5: do this. So when I first, you know, through the ball,
Speaker 5: I hear Emily it's a six seven second sprint. I
Speaker 5: was like solid, but over and over again because I
Speaker 5: was doing like one jack at a time to two jacks,
Speaker 5: and I think I was ahead by to like the
Speaker 5: whole time.
Speaker 3: I mean it looked like you were head by because
Speaker 3: how far spaced out? Too, Because when they did kind
Speaker 3: of that quick overview before you guys started, it looked
Speaker 3: like their space pretty far out.
Speaker 1: So like, how do you even strategically time?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna get over there and grab it to
Speaker 3: get back and get that ball in time.
Speaker 5: Because it becomes it becomes routine, and I think if
Speaker 5: you're an athlete, you kind of like lock into that
Speaker 5: routine of throw the ball and just book it. So
Speaker 5: the middle was easy because it was a straight shot, right.
Speaker 5: I only dropped one ball, Yeah, and if it was
Speaker 5: because I had to run and then pivot and switch directions.
Speaker 5: What I should have done was drop the jacks instead
Speaker 5: of catch the ball, because they would have stayed right
Speaker 5: where they were and then I could have just ran
Speaker 5: and got it and done it again. Every single person
Speaker 5: was like what just happened? You know, like it was
Speaker 5: so dope and there I didn't feel inadequate, and even
Speaker 5: you know, TJ's like see athletes coming all shapes and sizes.
Speaker 5: He was like, that was so impressive.
Speaker 2: For sure, I want to kind of rewind and go
Speaker 2: back a little bit because at the top of this
Speaker 2: episode we see you and Jenny like it's like such
Speaker 2: a cute and I was like, oh, Like she really
Speaker 2: was like I'm gonna have you're back. We're gonna try
Speaker 2: and we're gonna do this. You make the protein shakes.
Speaker 4: It was really nice. So to have to go head
Speaker 4: to hit with her, how was that?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So Jenny was actually like helping with coaching before
Speaker 5: I left, so like we did nutrition workouts whatever, and
Speaker 5: then I had another coach for some other weight training stuff.
Speaker 5: So when I came in. Jenny was always like, you're
Speaker 5: so fit, You're great, Like she was always so encourage
Speaker 5: oventory and Josh always always so encouraging, always so supportive.
Speaker 5: So we would train and then come up and make
Speaker 5: protein shakes and shit, and she was it was just
Speaker 5: it was nice to have that moment. I'm glad that
Speaker 5: they showed that moment. I love going against people I respect.
Speaker 5: There was nobody I really hated where I needed to,
Speaker 5: like the score, like I had to set some shit straight,
Speaker 5: or like it was just too early in the game.
Speaker 5: I haven't gone home this early and god knows how long.
Speaker 5: So it's it's a it's a new feeling for me.
Speaker 5: And it's kind of like I wasn't as invested because
Speaker 5: I hadn't been there for long enough. You know, I
Speaker 5: hadn't been in it in it, but going against Jenny,
Speaker 5: like I love her win or lose, so and I
Speaker 5: respect her. I know that she respects me. So it
Speaker 5: made it. It made it hard, but that much better.
Speaker 5: And we talked about it for a few days. She
Speaker 5: was like, I want to go in out and have fun.
Speaker 5: I'm like, bitch, just tell them, not me. But she
Speaker 5: didn't because she's so sweet, doesn't want to like then
Speaker 5: point the finger at Naya and I get there because
Speaker 5: Nia is right too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was a tough one, but to be honest, I mean,
Speaker 5: it happened the way it was supposed to. Girl.
Speaker 3: I screamed at my computer when that ball dropped, girl,
Speaker 3: like I I should have.
Speaker 5: It kept me up at night until I had to say,
Speaker 5: you know, you did what you could and.
Speaker 1: You did a great job. You did did better than Mo.
Speaker 5: And it's crazy they show everybody working out. Rachel would
Speaker 5: wake me up every morning like, come on, we gotta
Speaker 5: go run, and I got to work out and we
Speaker 5: were so you know, I was shedding pounds. I felt good,
Speaker 5: but I had Torri there, you know, screaming at me,
Speaker 5: and I designated Jordan to do the same, and it
Speaker 5: was just so it was very powerful in that moment,
Speaker 5: and I just didn't I mean, I cried with Jordan
Speaker 5: a little bit because I wanted to keep going in
Speaker 5: the game. But I also like, wasn't sad about anything
Speaker 5: that I did. I did everything that I could and
Speaker 5: there really wasn't anything left to do. I left every
Speaker 5: single thing out.
Speaker 1: And you made it look easy.
Speaker 3: Like, honestly, the beginning of that elimination looked easy when
Speaker 3: they're showing their part, until Jenny just kept hitting. And
Speaker 3: this is where the shady cameraman comes into play, because
Speaker 3: it's like showing a niecea like making these balls.
Speaker 1: She it cuts to Jenny.
Speaker 3: I mean, but when I did, Jenny's balls are just
Speaker 3: dropping off the you know, bouncing off of the thing,
Speaker 3: and it was like, oh, this is hard, and she
Speaker 3: was gassed out, and we didn't see you huffing and puffin,
Speaker 3: you know, at any point, which is also very I
Speaker 3: was concerned.
Speaker 4: I was like, does she need my inhaler?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was yeah. I of course ran right over
Speaker 5: to her to see if she was okay, but like,
Speaker 5: you don't want to hear anybody suffer. But it also
Speaker 5: made me feel like I'm in shape. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 5: felt there were moments of it that felt so great,
Speaker 5: like I couldn't even be mad. I mean, however, I'm
Speaker 5: mad about the things that transpire prior to that we're
Speaker 5: going to get into. Yeah, but in that elimination, I
Speaker 5: feel like, yes, like it was mine to lose. I
Speaker 5: feel like nobody thought I had a chance, and the
Speaker 5: love and the flowers that I got after that you
Speaker 5: guys don't get to see, was so like I was
Speaker 5: so full leaving that show. I loved, I felt you amazing.
Speaker 3: I also, though, don't understand how this point, because look,
Speaker 3: I tease Banana about doing this for nine thousand, six
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy two years, and you have done it
Speaker 3: for nine thousand, six hundred and sixty five. I don't
Speaker 3: understand how anyone can still doubt you with an elimination.
Speaker 3: I don't care what the elimination is like. It could
Speaker 3: be landing at seven forty seven, and if Anissa is
Speaker 3: the one I'm going up again, I'm not gonna just think,
Speaker 3: oh cool, got this And I took flying lessons at
Speaker 3: a point, I still am not gonna think, oh.
Speaker 1: Got this, cause it's it's aliminis.
Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's more because people know
Speaker 5: that I don't hope grudges. They think that they can
Speaker 5: get away with keep putting me in and putting me
Speaker 5: in and putting me in. And you know there might
Speaker 5: be a season if I ever do one again, where
Speaker 5: I come back and I'll say, well, remember that time
Speaker 5: on the duel or on the Gauntlet, or spies, liies,
Speaker 5: and that remember when you all put me in, Remember
Speaker 5: on forty when y'all put me in or nominated me
Speaker 5: or didn't have my back fock you. And I feel
Speaker 5: like I don't do enough of that. I think people
Speaker 5: think it's easy to weaponize me, and it's been like that,
Speaker 5: and I don't know why it is, but they're like,
Speaker 5: she's very forgiving, and I know that's part of it,
Speaker 5: Like she'll get over this, she's used to this. It
Speaker 5: doesn't make it right by any means. I agree, I agree,
Speaker 5: but I just that's the mentality. I feel like it's
Speaker 5: almost like this unconscious bias, this like unconscious process of
Speaker 5: like just doing it because it's like this natural thing
Speaker 5: for people.
Speaker 1: But I don't even mean them throwing you in.
Speaker 3: I just mean if I'm the one in the bottom
Speaker 3: going against you, like you were saying, people were underestimating you,
Speaker 3: Like I don't underestimate a Nissa in an elimination just
Speaker 3: for me, like the same way people don't underestimate Jordan
Speaker 3: in a final. I'm not underestimating a Nissa an elimination
Speaker 3: because you pulled them out of anywhere you hold, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for a reason.
Speaker 3: But you brought up a good point with Rachel, so
Speaker 3: you were talking about right, How did it feel to
Speaker 3: see Rachel championing you in the interview in the Talking
Speaker 3: Heads in this episode, given what transpired in the previous
Speaker 3: episode when she had an opportunity to save you and didn't.
Speaker 5: Well, her thing was she told me that she was
Speaker 5: going to save me, and then the next day she
Speaker 5: was like, you know, like Jodie's probably gonna rebell and
Speaker 5: like throw shit. If I know Jody, she's one of
Speaker 5: the nicest people. She wants to win as much as
Speaker 5: anybody else. I don't see her exploding. Her feelings would
Speaker 5: have been hurt. But like, why have we been friends
Speaker 5: for so long? Where is the benefit? You know what
Speaker 5: I mean? Like I know for me, like I do
Speaker 5: my part as a friend with all of my friends
Speaker 5: and all of my friendships, and I mean Rachel and
Speaker 5: I we didn't go at it, but I went at her.
Speaker 5: She tried to talk to me. I said, don't fuck
Speaker 5: speak to me, and I said, Tory would have never
Speaker 5: done that to me. Now, I would never think for
Speaker 5: one second, unless it was Toy or me, that Tory
Speaker 5: would do that to me. And it just it really
Speaker 5: rubbed me the wrong way, and I get that, Like,
Speaker 5: she has a game to play, too, But if it's
Speaker 5: in her best interest and she wants to go far
Speaker 5: and she needs somebody who's going to have for one
Speaker 5: hundred percent, she should treat me that way. She should
Speaker 5: treat me accordingly. We've already played this game together. I
Speaker 5: was the exterminator, she won the challenges, and that's how
Speaker 5: we did it throughout the season. We had each other's
Speaker 5: back regardless of the fights we got in whatever else.
Speaker 5: But this just makes me kind of wonder, you know,
Speaker 5: what kind of player she's become and do I deserve
Speaker 5: better friendships? I've had a lot of time to think
Speaker 5: about this, folks.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, speaking of that though, on the other side
Speaker 2: of the coin, Darrell, Right, how did that make you feel?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: First of all, I want you to two part right One,
Speaker 2: targets are introduced. How did that feel being a target one?
Speaker 2: And then two the fact that it came from Darrell.
Speaker 5: So just Derek and I just went an elimination and
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden we're targets again, where I
Speaker 5: felt like it's a little played out. Couldn't you have
Speaker 5: picked somebody else? And then I'm looking at Darrell and
Speaker 5: I'm like, don't you say it? Because Durrell and I
Speaker 5: are close. You know, we've just did ride our eyes together,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And we talked during the
Speaker 5: year like we're not strangers. And he when he just
Speaker 5: prefaced it by saying, like, my wife is gonna hate me,
Speaker 5: I'm like, you don't have to just worry about her,
Speaker 5: you also have to worry about me hating you too,
Speaker 5: and the same idiot. So when he picked me, he
Speaker 5: was like, oh, oh, Tina. You know, Tita, for what
Speaker 5: I've been here with you playing these games, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like pick a better reason and give
Speaker 5: me a break for a second, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: If our Aerosol Kumbayan has a lot of respect, somebody
Speaker 5: should have stepped in for me and be like, nah,
Speaker 5: don't do that. And it just felt so personal at
Speaker 5: that point. So when they gave out when they came,
Speaker 5: I'm glad they didn't show it. When they gave out
Speaker 5: those purple things, I went down to get them. I
Speaker 5: thought I was just getting one I snatched from tj
Speaker 5: Oh so bad Bad snatched the whole thing from him
Speaker 5: and left and walked out got on the bus. Nobody
Speaker 5: else down on the bus because they were lining up again.
Speaker 5: I said, oops, came back in. I didn't talk to
Speaker 5: Derell for a minute, and then I came in the
Speaker 5: house and I just gave him a little shit and
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't get it, like bro, and
Speaker 5: I don't get why you just did that. It was
Speaker 5: weird for me.
Speaker 3: It seems like he doesn't know loyalty or has lost
Speaker 3: a sense of it, or because this isn't the first
Speaker 3: episode this season where he really is surprising us, and
Speaker 3: it feels like he's a bit going. Look, everybody's playing
Speaker 3: it's we always know it's an individual game, right, Like
Speaker 3: it's never truly a team games. Individual game, but especially
Speaker 3: for you players who've played this so long and understand
Speaker 3: a certain code of communication, right, which is, yes, I
Speaker 3: may have to go for you, Yes I may have
Speaker 3: to make tough decisions. Everyone can't make it to the end,
Speaker 3: but we can minimize the blind siding to a degree, right,
Speaker 3: Having these like clear conversations, it just seems Derell just
Speaker 3: keeps getting in it.
Speaker 5: I don't think he knows any better, Like I don't
Speaker 5: think he's good at Like if we watch, prid ardized
Speaker 5: when we had to talk and then he took off
Speaker 5: his hat, deep sweating, and shit, I don't think he's
Speaker 5: good when it comes to like be in the spotlight
Speaker 5: and having to make decisions. But it's still not I'm
Speaker 5: not still not okay with me.
Speaker 1: I was mad, Yeah, have you talked to either of them? Since?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I talked to everybody?
Speaker 1: And are you where do you stand now with Dereldrell
Speaker 1: or Rachel?
Speaker 5: Rachel and I are finally saw each other in l
Speaker 5: A and Durrell and I are. When we were in
Speaker 5: LA he said something and I was like, bro, like
Speaker 5: you just can't just not make stupa jokes like I'm sensitive.
Speaker 5: But Durell has said things to me in the past
Speaker 5: where I'm like, Bro, we could have we could have
Speaker 5: lived without those words like not everything has to be
Speaker 5: a joke when it comes to me. Uh So I
Speaker 5: had to get in his ass real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at you said in boundaries. Yoh, that's all
Speaker 1: I've been.
Speaker 5: All I've been doing is working on me and setting
Speaker 5: boundaries and if you don't like it, then you can
Speaker 5: leave as well. I'm not I'm not afraid of that
Speaker 5: because I at the end of the day, I have
Speaker 5: to be okay with me and the decisions that I make.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: This season has been absolutely insane so far and we're
Speaker 2: not even like close to the halfway mark, and it's
Speaker 2: been chaotic in just all of the things.
Speaker 4: As a challenge legend, and I'm gonna say legend.
Speaker 2: As a challenge legend coming into this season, how does
Speaker 2: this fortieth season compare to other seasons that you have done,
Speaker 2: like the Era, all of the things, how does that compare?
Speaker 5: It was just like everything combined into one. It was
Speaker 5: all of my old friends meeting all of my new friends,
Speaker 5: and I thought before I got in there, I was
Speaker 5: gonna be in trouble with all of my friends. So
Speaker 5: I was glad when we got into eras because I
Speaker 5: was like, okay, straight, I only have to worry about
Speaker 5: this group, you know, and then later on my relationships
Speaker 5: will come into play. So I felt pretty good about it.
Speaker 5: But it was really nice to see to see people
Speaker 5: I haven't seen in a while and like do a
Speaker 5: show with them and not have that separation between like
Speaker 5: All Stars and this sh show, right or like missing
Speaker 5: seasons with certain people. Like I was so excited to
Speaker 5: mee Kyland so excited to play with him because, like,
Speaker 5: I feel like we both have that like cerebral thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel like Era one?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: As you mentioned, I feel like you're kind of the
Speaker 3: glue of this season, like not only from doing the podcast,
Speaker 3: but doing so many seasons, and you have connections across
Speaker 3: every era, and as you just stated, it was a
Speaker 3: bit of a relief knowing, Okay, at least I'm grouped
Speaker 3: with one group, so I don't have to worry about
Speaker 3: taking care of everybody else. How do you feel Era
Speaker 3: one stacks up compared to all the other eras and
Speaker 3: what you've seen in terms of them competing prior to this,
Speaker 3: Like you've seen Era four compete, You've seen people from
Speaker 3: Ayer three, so and so forth.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think we're just like older and kind
Speaker 5: of stuck in our ways, and we've all played this
Speaker 5: game kind of like solo for a while being on
Speaker 5: a team. It's just so, I mean, you watched with
Speaker 5: the boat, that was who we were a mess? I mean,
Speaker 5: and I don't really know. I mean, I've never heard
Speaker 5: so many people yell at Jody. Jody just jumped out
Speaker 5: the boat like it was Yeah, that was crazy, but
Speaker 5: for the women, like we were ready to work together,
Speaker 5: like we were, we were trying to communicate. But I
Speaker 5: think just with so many personalities and so much experience,
Speaker 5: it's really hard for us to get into a team.
Speaker 5: But then there's also like this long these long friendships
Speaker 5: and relationships, so it makes it hard voting, it makes it,
Speaker 5: you know. But I just think we're very different and
Speaker 5: we just all have like back pain.
Speaker 4: Not back pain. What Derek say, they needed a doctor.
Speaker 3: So are you saying Era one's at a disadvantage to
Speaker 3: the rest of the eras or do you think your
Speaker 3: wisdom will will I mean when the gaps where your
Speaker 3: back pain and joint pain comes in.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't have any joint pain, thank you, But
Speaker 5: we do have the wisdom. And I think because we're older,
Speaker 5: we're kind of like we don't really care when anybody
Speaker 5: thinks of us. You know, we have nothing to prove
Speaker 5: because we already have laid the foundation for the for
Speaker 5: Era three and four to play. Yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 5: you're here because we did it. I know that's right,
Speaker 5: So and that's no shade, but that's just the truth.
Speaker 5: We did do it for a long time. So I
Speaker 5: mean and they're going to take over when we're done,
Speaker 5: So you know, we got to make sure that you know,
Speaker 5: they learn and then they then they prosper.
Speaker 4: Come on, prosper. All right, we have to take a
Speaker 4: quick break, but we'll be right back after this.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get back into this show.
Speaker 2: I want to get into this trivia challenge okay, because
Speaker 2: CT got hurt, and it takes a lot to hurt
Speaker 2: a big man like CT, I would think, So tell
Speaker 2: me about this trivia challenge?
Speaker 4: Was this so far and all that you've done? Was
Speaker 4: this the hardest trivia Childe?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 4: This looked a little difficult?
Speaker 5: See, this is the thing CT was trying to like.
Speaker 5: I feel like he just wanted me out. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I got paradoway, but he was like,
Speaker 5: I'm a pair of I'm like, why do you want
Speaker 5: to pair up with me? You literally just threw me in.
Speaker 5: So he said that before we went it, we even
Speaker 5: knew what we were doing. I'm like, we're doing a choice.
Speaker 5: He was like, so what I'm saying it was like
Speaker 5: I'll be today. I'm like, all right, cool, so amazing,
Speaker 5: and like CT and I are cool so like we
Speaker 5: have that very like brotherly sisterly maybe half brother system,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, not like him and Kara,
Speaker 5: but like because we're closer in age, we're very like us,
Speaker 5: you know. So we get up there and we were
Speaker 5: held like in the back of our like jerseys back there,
Speaker 5: and then we were lying back. So once they they
Speaker 5: unhooked us, you were going to fly backwards, right, and
Speaker 5: there's really no way to prepare for a double backwards summersault,
Speaker 5: Like I'm not a diver, this is not the Olympics. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so it was that's why Emily like lowered herself down. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, a lot of people like the thing would
Speaker 5: go and they're like, yeah, stuff, like we wanted to to.
Speaker 5: Then after this challenge, compete in more challenges and you
Speaker 5: see somebody like ct who I feel like everybody thinks
Speaker 5: it's just this you know, pollute, like this Chuto train,
Speaker 5: Like there is no stopping this man, there's no hurting
Speaker 5: this man. This is the first time I've ever seen him.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was worrisome. I think when you see
Speaker 5: like the invincible dude get hurt, everybody was kind of like,
Speaker 5: could we lower it to five feet or do this
Speaker 5: in a kidding. We could have just done this standing.
Speaker 2: I was very excited when it went into sudden death
Speaker 2: round and they didn't put them back up there.
Speaker 4: That made me very happy.
Speaker 5: Well they said it yeah, because it was nighttime by then.
Speaker 5: They were like, we're gonna put everybody long.
Speaker 1: Were you guys doing that? Because it did. It turned
Speaker 1: tonight forever.
Speaker 5: But it took a while too, because it was like
Speaker 5: stand in the shade, drink electrolytes, like it wasn't too
Speaker 5: too bad. But Jordan, yes, speaking of too too bad?
Speaker 1: Do you think he was sad? Because that was we
Speaker 1: go That is the mystery of the day and his confession. No,
Speaker 1: it did not.
Speaker 5: I wanted to call him while I was watching and
Speaker 5: her texting and be like, bro, did you do that
Speaker 5: on purpose?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 5: Because I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if a deal
Speaker 5: was struck. I mean player game, because to be honest,
Speaker 5: like it just would have look at it the other
Speaker 5: way Jordan wins. Does Jordan put Laurel in? You know
Speaker 5: what I mean? I think the outcome still would have
Speaker 5: been the same, a little harder because I do love
Speaker 5: Jordan and I know Jordan loves me and Nya loves me,
Speaker 5: so it's a.
Speaker 1: Do you think he did it to keep his hands clean?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Do you think you know, so that he didn't have
Speaker 1: to be the one to pick?
Speaker 5: You know? Maybe listen, listen, he did what he he
Speaker 5: did what he did, and.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out the math and that though
Speaker 2: you or die. Yeah, so I would think you would
Speaker 2: come before Laurel.
Speaker 5: No, no, because Laurel and him have been friends for forever.
Speaker 5: But I will say this. In her choosing who to
Speaker 5: one of her reasons, she was like, well, yeah, Jordan
Speaker 5: eliminated two people. I said, excuse me. I did too
Speaker 5: because I was his partner, so we both did. So
Speaker 5: I need you to knock that reasoning off because I
Speaker 5: was right there and we couldn't win without one another. However, like, listen,
Speaker 5: this is my whole thing. Jordan is amazing and if
Speaker 5: you're if you're a female, you want him around because
Speaker 5: he's really not If anything, you could end up being
Speaker 5: partnered with him. As much shit as I went through it,
Speaker 5: it was a very big lesson for me afterwards about
Speaker 5: how I need to treat myself and what I should
Speaker 5: and should not deal with. So but if you're a guy,
Speaker 5: you don't want him in the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 5: You don't. You don't want him, you don't want ct
Speaker 5: you don't want to Rossie. There are certain people you
Speaker 5: don't want there. And you know, work smarter, not harder,
Speaker 5: but it seems like people just want to work hard.
Speaker 5: And you know, they played with what they had. And
Speaker 5: I knew Johnny was not going to go against Laurel.
Speaker 1: That was so interesting seeing him cower. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: not wrong, but it was interest.
Speaker 3: Elimination against a Rassio and lose. Yeah, he was just
Speaker 3: going to do that, which is valid. But do you
Speaker 3: think so let's just play this out? And I think
Speaker 3: he played it smart. But it's just hearing him, you know.
Speaker 3: A decade later, I feel like I still get flack
Speaker 3: but also laugh about Laurel's hitless the time I told
Speaker 3: her about like who Teresa voting her in or whatever,
Speaker 3: like getting everyone to vote her in, and Laurel being like, well,
Speaker 3: look here's my hitless, like you're not on it, and
Speaker 3: sort of being like cool, cool, I'm happy to be
Speaker 3: I was honest and so, but you weren't.
Speaker 1: At the top of Nissa, I don't think you were
Speaker 1: at the top. I think Teresa's at the top.
Speaker 3: And then so I felt like this just reminded me
Speaker 3: of that a little bit, because Johnny was kind of like,
Speaker 3: I'm not getting in her way, you know, like I
Speaker 3: don't want to put myself in there. I'm not stale mating.
Speaker 3: I don't want to get in the way. But if
Speaker 3: this had played out, just I know it wouldn't. But
Speaker 3: let's hypothetically roll with me here for a second. So
Speaker 3: if they had sai, do you think Laurel would have
Speaker 3: gone down to hold her point? Like, do you think
Speaker 3: she would have been like, I'm going to go and
Speaker 3: a limit or do you think she would have flipped?
Speaker 3: Because essentially Johnny was banking on the flat that Laura
Speaker 3: wouldn't flip, which is why he was like, I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna give it to her.
Speaker 5: Right, No, I don't think she would have went down. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you think she would. I could have fought harder and yeah,
Speaker 5: but he wasn't going to. Why would you do that?
Speaker 5: What was the point? Yeah? I know, Johnny, he wasn't
Speaker 5: going to, you know, And that's that's like whatever. I mean,
Speaker 5: I've played with these people before. I know how they
Speaker 5: move like it's not. None of these things are surprises
Speaker 5: to me. I feel like it's more upsetting because they
Speaker 5: aren't surprises. It's more upsetting because I know what's going
Speaker 5: to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a question.
Speaker 5: Yes, I don't like any do that.
Speaker 2: I know because it's not my heart, So I gotta
Speaker 2: let it come on out. We see like the Bananas
Speaker 2: and the Laurel and like just certain people who have
Speaker 2: played these games together, sticking together in all of the things. Right,
Speaker 2: does it make you feel a certain type of way
Speaker 2: that you're not in those groups?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Because when I watch it back, you're not in. It
Speaker 2: seems and I hate to put it this way, but
Speaker 2: I have to say it how I see it. It
Speaker 2: seems like you're disposable, right.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: I feel like they think that anyway, of course, But
Speaker 5: it's crazy because Laurel was like, I don't even want
Speaker 5: to put you in because you've been in so many times.
Speaker 5: I respect you, Like I feel so bad, and you know,
Speaker 5: after I lost, she just felt awful about it because
Speaker 5: I went to Jordan and I cried. I was like, bro,
Speaker 5: I wanted to do this with you.
Speaker 2: Do you ever wonder why you're not in those circles though,
Speaker 2: because you've been here just as long as the rest
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 5: I just don't think they see me on the same level.
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is, but that seems like
Speaker 5: a them thing, you know. I'm not worried about why
Speaker 5: they feel the way that they felt. I have given
Speaker 5: my all. I have been consistently the same person. I've
Speaker 5: given my friendship and my advice and blood, sweat and tears.
Speaker 5: Yeah for the show. And if that's not enough for
Speaker 5: some people, well then that's on them. And I have Tory.
Speaker 5: I had Corey, you know, Corey and I talked. Corey
Speaker 5: was like one of my number one guys. Outside of that,
Speaker 5: Josh was like, we are already had our vacation alliance things.
Speaker 5: So I knew that I was covered in a different way,
Speaker 5: and I knew I was covered in a way that
Speaker 5: Johnny and Laurel weren't. So you know, it's kind of
Speaker 5: like I'm the leader of the band of misfits, so
Speaker 5: like I would have teamed up with car. They didn't
Speaker 5: even show our friendship, did they.
Speaker 3: I don't think because there's four there's so many of
Speaker 3: you guys in the house. Yeah, tell us about it.
Speaker 5: Oh my god. After the first elimination, she was like, well,
Speaker 5: I guess it's us. And I talked to her on
Speaker 5: a plane. I'm cool with Allie, talk to him the
Speaker 5: whole time. I purposefully like put myself in front of her,
Speaker 5: like what's up. And we got to a point where
Speaker 5: we were like she was like, I don't know why
Speaker 5: we have beef. I'm like I don't know either, and
Speaker 5: I was like, I see us in the same situations
Speaker 5: a lot of the time. And we sat down and
Speaker 5: we talked about family, and we talked about so many things.
Speaker 5: A lot of us girls sat down and we had
Speaker 5: like a heart to heart, you know, davon how we do.
Speaker 5: And a lot of stuff came up where I'm like
Speaker 5: sane and she was like no, but I don't think
Speaker 5: and I'd say something she was like, oh my god, sane.
Speaker 5: So it was like we were fighting to to dislike
Speaker 5: each other. And I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I say, sometimes similar personalities though, do that like not
Speaker 3: even recognizing the similarities, Like there's certain parts of you.
Speaker 3: It's almost like fighting with yourself for a long time.
Speaker 3: Like sometimes I think that that's probably why we didn't
Speaker 3: like each other.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because maybe I saw a younger version of myself
Speaker 5: of like being this misfit, an outcast, even though people
Speaker 5: wanted to be my friend. It's just like I always
Speaker 5: had to prove something to someone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the world sees you as another way because it's
Speaker 3: like you feel you need to prove even the way
Speaker 3: you spoke about coming into this elimination when and I
Speaker 3: don't say this, and I mean I think by now
Speaker 3: I've established reputation of being a straight talker, Like truly,
Speaker 3: you are one of the greats, particularly in elimination, like
Speaker 3: of all time, Like that's not even a question. So yeah,
Speaker 3: and you've earned that. That wasn't given to you. You've
Speaker 3: earned it every single time.
Speaker 1: So the respect is there.
Speaker 3: And I you know, I you know you've and say
Speaker 3: with Carr, I know a lot of times she feels
Speaker 3: like an underdog and it's like girl.
Speaker 5: Right, you are right, come on. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 5: that she finally saw like just we were all in
Speaker 5: it together, having sixteen people down there for the first elimination.
Speaker 5: Paullie walked up to me and he whispered in my
Speaker 5: ear because he was just holding on to me the
Speaker 5: whole time. I'm like, God, I really wanted to play
Speaker 5: with you. He was like, just do me a favor.
Speaker 5: He was like, you don't have to work with Karna,
Speaker 5: but just make sure, you know, make sure Laura doesn't
Speaker 5: bully her, and like make sure she's okay. And I said,
Speaker 5: I got you, and I made that promise to him
Speaker 5: and I made sure I could do. Now looking at
Speaker 5: the at what's about to happen?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because what's your take on the Car and Laurel situation?
Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, why who needs friends if you're going to
Speaker 5: treat each other like that? It's I don't I'm not
Speaker 5: in competition with with my friends. I'm not in competition
Speaker 5: with toy. If anything, we just lift each other up.
Speaker 5: And we started off on as enemies. Basically. I don't know,
Speaker 5: just I feel like Kara can give her credit and
Speaker 5: then Laurel can't give her any credit. She thinks that
Speaker 5: they were like these rivals where cars just like, can't
Speaker 5: we just get along and play this game and have
Speaker 5: like a healthy competition. I mean they either need to
Speaker 5: figure it out and be friends or never be friends again. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 3: I feel like if you keep trying to force ingredients
Speaker 3: into this cake and it keeps not working, then maybe
Speaker 3: you should make a salad, like maybe you should just
Speaker 3: not yeah, just stitch the cake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, just I feel like that DNA.
Speaker 1: Drink some water.
Speaker 3: Try go back to the recipe book. Fine, go talk
Speaker 3: to your grandma, do something, but don't stick with that recipe.
Speaker 3: You mentioned karma earlier, and I want to get in
Speaker 3: because you know, there's this twist this season, which is
Speaker 3: my favorite twist. I think of old I've done the karma.
Speaker 3: So can you tell us some of your Karma point rankings?
Speaker 5: I get Johnny on one. Not well, it's it's like this,
Speaker 5: like the people that had like really good chances of
Speaker 5: winning and stuff like that, like did they really need big,
Speaker 5: big amounts points? I mean, I gave Tori a five, clearly,
Speaker 5: why wouldn't I. I think people that I wasn't as
Speaker 5: close with I gave like middle of the road. I
Speaker 5: should have been harsher after I saw people be like,
Speaker 5: I'll give you a negative three, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, why didn't I just do that? What am
Speaker 5: I afraid of? They just might throw me in the
Speaker 5: next time I go in, So it doesn't matter right now.
Speaker 5: I should have gave her a one.
Speaker 1: What'd you give it?
Speaker 5: I gave her too much?
Speaker 1: Too much me? What'd you give Derrell?
Speaker 5: Oh? I think he got a one? You got a one.
Speaker 5: You got a one for the one brain cell that
Speaker 5: that forced me to be a that was dedicated to
Speaker 5: picking me. He got himself that one. But at the time,
Speaker 5: like there were there were twenty eight other people that
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like to go, so there
Speaker 5: were a lot of people to get points to.
Speaker 2: Jeez, Louise, I want to ask a question about our
Speaker 2: good friend Josh with this nominating himself. Why?
Speaker 4: Because why? Why?
Speaker 5: I think the minute that CT was like and I'm
Speaker 5: going to go in, Josh was like, and I'm out
Speaker 5: of here.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he thought in that.
Speaker 5: Moment, like absolutely not. I'm absolutely going to renig on
Speaker 5: what I just said. I know it kind of goes
Speaker 5: against the whole like integrity part.
Speaker 4: Because Kylon was pissed.
Speaker 1: I know, Kylin was so mad.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, kylout this really yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 3: putting it on a T shirt.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 3: That was so good Like baseball. He's like, this is
Speaker 3: strike one, but this ain't baseball. I'm not waiting to
Speaker 3: the third, waiting to the third that was black Mama coded.
Speaker 3: I feel like that was that was like the new
Speaker 3: generation of what mamas would say.
Speaker 1: It was so good Josh.
Speaker 3: Are we surprised though that Josh now simply because he like,
Speaker 3: if you can counting Josh to do one thing, it's
Speaker 3: to play with his feelings and emotions right like it's
Speaker 3: it is he he It's why he forges deep bonds
Speaker 3: with people. But it's also why he gets pops off,
Speaker 3: and it's also why but.
Speaker 5: He's a love bucking every day he sings to me,
Speaker 5: you are my son, shine and all these other songs.
Speaker 1: He always comes up the break.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be harder and I'm gonna be no.
Speaker 5: You're not, you're not. But I think that he wants
Speaker 5: to do like the noble thing and be like, you
Speaker 5: know what, I'm just gonna put myself in and then
Speaker 5: when reality hits he was like, I really didn't mean it.
Speaker 3: I just want to say, and then it becomes even
Speaker 3: less noble. It's better than being neutral, like it's better
Speaker 3: than just not or worse than.
Speaker 5: But he's just listen, Josh gets in Josh's way for sure.
Speaker 5: Can't help it, girl, We know for sure, we can't.
Speaker 4: He can't help it.
Speaker 5: God bless his soul. He cannot help it. And I
Speaker 5: love him. I love him to death for it. Like
Speaker 5: he just can't help it. He means, well, you know
Speaker 5: he really does.
Speaker 3: Nina, Can I say that in your wiser years, I
Speaker 3: feel like you've suffered of it. I mean, on one hand, yes,
Speaker 3: you're saying boundaries, but I feel like the ninny I
Speaker 3: met uh ten years ago or twelve years ago.
Speaker 5: Free agents was something else and everybody could.
Speaker 2: Have got it.
Speaker 1: That was so, but it was actually fun. We just
Speaker 1: hang out in your room.
Speaker 5: That was that was I know it was I wait
Speaker 5: three hours for you to get ready and we would
Speaker 5: have That was that was fun.
Speaker 1: Oh you did almost made out that time in the
Speaker 1: in the battle, I know, I know.
Speaker 5: But you been still have luck with the ladies. I mean,
Speaker 5: can I also can pick and choose my battles like
Speaker 5: some are just not worth it? Yeah, like show my
Speaker 5: ass at forty two or walk away from this situation
Speaker 5: knowing that, Like I walk away and I look, I
Speaker 5: look better for it and I can sleep at night.
Speaker 3: I mean, the glow up was real despite you wanting
Speaker 3: to get the weave out, like all of it. Oh
Speaker 3: way was that Kate, Oh I had k I had
Speaker 3: Kate tips you had. I've always thot they were getting
Speaker 3: they were getting so nappy.
Speaker 5: And I was like, Oh, this is gonna work for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: make this transition.
Speaker 2: Somehow we gonna get to the chamber because I would
Speaker 2: love to talk about Derek's diagram.
Speaker 4: You were there, share it with us. It was great.
Speaker 5: It was the first time because I feel like Derek
Speaker 5: kind of has a little Drell in him or like
Speaker 5: kind of get like flustered and then like what they
Speaker 5: meant to say just doesn't come out. So like he
Speaker 5: had this thing and it made sense. I mean it
Speaker 5: was it made all of the sense. And if you're
Speaker 5: a gamer, like you kind of do take this step
Speaker 5: like if no one knew anyone, I think that that
Speaker 5: would have been an awesome point to take into consideration
Speaker 5: and to save us. But then Jordan's however, there were relationships,
Speaker 5: right do you think that.
Speaker 1: Was the ultimate poladicking?
Speaker 3: Like we talked about this a little bit last week
Speaker 3: with Avery and how girls sometimes get flack or the
Speaker 3: fandom or the commentary around their poladicking, Right, but we
Speaker 3: don't really hear about dudes and the benefits that they
Speaker 3: get or what happens in gameplay, because Bananas did point
Speaker 3: out look when he was like, I'm not gonna sway Laurel,
Speaker 3: He's like, on top of that, Laurel has had relationships
Speaker 3: with two of these dudes, right, And those were seasons ago,
Speaker 3: many moons ago, but it's still coming into play now,
Speaker 3: and I think both of those guys are good about
Speaker 3: hold on.
Speaker 1: This is an ADHD aside.
Speaker 3: But interestingly enough, the fact that it's Harassio and Jordan
Speaker 3: were talking about. They've been compared in a lot of
Speaker 3: different ways, right, those are the two guys that she
Speaker 3: went after. Both of them have had essentially long term
Speaker 3: relationships from the challenge Jordan with Tori, Horassio with Nourice.
Speaker 3: It's just interesting watching how many similarities are in fact
Speaker 3: between those two guys and kind of coming in as
Speaker 3: the underdog. Horassio came in as the underdog in his
Speaker 3: initial season, Jordan kind of came in as an underdog initially.
Speaker 5: Wanted to run with him in the final. I wish
Speaker 5: I would have known that. So I'm like Grassio, so
Speaker 5: you want to run with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's really interesting.
Speaker 3: But away from that, aside, looking at the south polyadicking
Speaker 3: and the long term play, Yeah, do you feel like
Speaker 3: that's kind of what maybe Jordan was using to his advantage.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like a Rassio maybe needs to tap
Speaker 3: into that and the future more the fact that he, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, Rassio got what he wanted. All he had to
Speaker 5: do was talk tomorrow. Yeah, he got exactly what he wanted.
Speaker 5: Everybody got what they wanted, but us, right, so right,
Speaker 5: I mean, it is what it is. I can't I
Speaker 5: know that Erassio is a good He's a he's a
Speaker 5: decent human being. He's a good player socially, I mean
Speaker 5: more buddies so like we can joke, but he's you know,
Speaker 5: he's a straight shooter and he just wants to compete.
Speaker 5: He doesn't want to do all the social bullshit. Yeah
Speaker 5: he does, and apoloiticing. He wants the competition to speak
Speaker 5: for himself.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, we are going to do superlatives. Actually, quick question.
Speaker 3: In high school, Nini, were you voted most likely to anything?
Speaker 3: Or like you know what I mean, like, where were
Speaker 3: you voted?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 5: The biggest slurt.
Speaker 1: Okay, and it's accurate.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, track yeah m hm.
Speaker 3: So we are going to do most likely to so
Speaker 3: this particular season, we're doing superlatives for each era, right,
Speaker 3: so we want to know what each era is most
Speaker 3: likely to. You can start with Era one if you'd like,
Speaker 3: but Era one you'd say is most likely too. Era
Speaker 3: one's most likely to sleep. Everybody say me, era is
Speaker 3: most likely going to.
Speaker 5: Need Medicare soon.
Speaker 1: Open enrollment.
Speaker 5: The period is upon us. What else are they most
Speaker 5: likely to? Most likely to fight, most likely to be dysfunctional.
Speaker 1: We keep hearing a lot of that too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty consistent.
Speaker 5: Most likely to be saged by nehe Mayah and Emily.
Speaker 3: So what do you think of the Brad and Emily romance.
Speaker 3: I know we're like most likely to, but yeah, what
Speaker 3: are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 5: It's interesting because Brad has really bad allergies and it's
Speaker 5: just there's just so much to that too. I'll tell
Speaker 5: you all later, but it's interesting. I mean, Emily wanted
Speaker 5: to come and be free, and she's such a hippie
Speaker 5: and a wonderful spirit. Absolutely love Emily and what she brings.
Speaker 5: She's just Jesus her and unapologetically so. And it's nice
Speaker 5: to have a little like unexpected whatever. And I think Brad,
Speaker 5: if we look at his last appearance on on All Stars,
Speaker 5: wasn't doing so hot. Mm hm, so I think this
Speaker 5: is good for him, goes a little mojo back a
Speaker 5: little bit. Yeah, a little little date night.
Speaker 4: It was cute. They had their little line in the corner.
Speaker 1: I sound.
Speaker 5: What about Eric three, who's an Era three? Er three
Speaker 5: is hard because a lot of my buddies are in there.
Speaker 5: I mean most likely now, no, they are most likely
Speaker 5: to succeed. I feel like they're things likely to win challenges,
Speaker 5: some of them maybe a little bit not really, you
Speaker 5: know what, I think is pretty good?
Speaker 4: All right, onto the best era? What about Era four?
Speaker 5: Most likely to fuck up trivia?
Speaker 3: Okay, which because they so many of Ara four have
Speaker 3: said that they studied this game because they wanted to
Speaker 3: be the people.
Speaker 5: And I knew all of the questions except for mine,
Speaker 5: but people didn't even hear the last one. I was like, yeah, yeah, hmm.
Speaker 5: Most likely to step up and then step.
Speaker 6: Down, oh gosh, because I feel like I feel like
Speaker 6: for them, it's most likely to get offended by whoever
Speaker 6: is about to pick them for targets.
Speaker 5: I feel like most likely to be sensitive. That's that
Speaker 5: group as a whole. There's like friendships in there, and
Speaker 5: there's some other stuff in there. And there's you know,
Speaker 5: THEO and Olivia are are dating, and then Kylin's dating
Speaker 5: a girl and she's not on the squad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Josh may have you know, so there might be.
Speaker 1: It's messy. It's like a poor that's clogged. It's just
Speaker 1: got a lot of sun.
Speaker 5: You know, we're.
Speaker 4: Never clog the poor poor.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, sorry, you guys are clogged for But one
Speaker 3: thing we do know is that Anissa is now officially Alimisa.
Speaker 1: From this point forward, she is Alimisa.
Speaker 3: We love you and appreciate you. And for all the
Speaker 3: others who love and appreciate you, where can they find you?
Speaker 3: That's not on Twitter? Since you got kicked off there?
Speaker 3: According to you, she didn't get kicked off.
Speaker 4: She left.
Speaker 5: I didn't get off l Yes, I made the decision
Speaker 5: to leave. Listen.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: You can follow me on Instagram. It's Anissa MTV A
Speaker 5: N E E s A m TV. That's where I am.
Speaker 5: That's where I'll stay.
Speaker 1: We love it there.
Speaker 4: Thank you for coming to hang out with us, even
Speaker 4: though this is your home too.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: I miss y'all.
Speaker 5: Oh, we miss you too, Niani. I'm glad that you
Speaker 5: kept the guests room open for me.
Speaker 1: Of course always you got the keys. Alimonisa. That was
Speaker 1: so insightful. She really is blowing.
Speaker 3: It's been so special seeing her just evolve over the season,
Speaker 3: seeing where she is for season forty she dropped. If
Speaker 3: she comes back for another season, y'all, no goodwill. She's
Speaker 3: definitely gonna come back.
Speaker 4: Day.
Speaker 1: That was such a fun interview. Just makes you want more.
Speaker 1: People want more of you.
Speaker 5: Day.
Speaker 1: What would they find you on this ocean sco You
Speaker 1: know they do?
Speaker 3: I look, we've been seeing them talking about you coming
Speaker 3: back on the challenge. Don't worry people, I'm still working,
Speaker 3: just alive.
Speaker 1: Want you coming back?
Speaker 4: Oh no, they about to wake up. You can catch me.
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