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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barria, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Day, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Beck coming soon to Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bowl Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Alright, looks a live on a Reaction Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: You and I have had to do over six seasons now,

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Speaker 2: this our six season together. We have had to do

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Speaker 2: some very very difficult shows.

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Speaker 3: I haven't had to do some prior to your arrival.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, you have, you have, you have done.

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Speaker 2: This is the toughest one. But this is the one

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Speaker 2: I've looked least forward to of all of them. And

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Speaker 2: we had to do some stuff that was really tricky

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Speaker 2: from a vernacular standpoint through the years. This isn't that

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Speaker 2: this is this is massive disappointment. But more than that,

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Speaker 2: I'll be quite honest with you. And the boys actually

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Speaker 2: listened to you and Chris that you guys were the

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Speaker 2: anthem and them going to bed that you were there

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Speaker 2: go to bed that night song last night. So they

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Speaker 2: watched the game and we watched all that. They watched

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Speaker 2: a lot halftime and then and then called it a day,

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Speaker 2: this is Nick Chubb when that injury happened. From a

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Speaker 2: visual tell you were in the building, and I know

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Speaker 2: what your experience was like on the broadcast because you

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Speaker 2: had access to something that we did not have on television,

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Speaker 2: which was the replay. So from my vantage point, it

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Speaker 2: reminded me of a day in nineteen eighty five. My

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Speaker 2: brother was a Redskins fan and joth Eisman's leg happened,

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Speaker 2: and my little brother was six at the time, and

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Speaker 2: he started crying balling because that was his favorite player

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Speaker 2: and they were his favorite team. And he wrote him

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Speaker 2: a letter he said get well, And six months later,

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Speaker 2: Joeaisman wrote him a letter and said thank you. Man

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Speaker 2: went a lot and it hung on his wall until

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Speaker 2: he graduated high school.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome.

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Speaker 2: And I look over last night and that happens to Nick,

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Speaker 2: and the boys are broken, and I'm broken. You were

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Speaker 2: broken on the broadcast. Chris was a Brown's nation was

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Speaker 2: broken because Nick Chubb. Through six years of starts and

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Speaker 2: stops and inconsistencies, Nick Chubb was the warm blanket. He

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Speaker 2: was the constant. He was there every.

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Speaker 3: Time, constant excellence, you know, historical start to his career

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Speaker 3: was there for you missed I think a couple of

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Speaker 3: games that one year we got hurt down in Dallas.

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Speaker 3: And other than that, he was there. Thousand plus yards,

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Speaker 3: five plus yards of carry, he'd get in the end zone,

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Speaker 3: he'd pick up the tough yards. He'd be the best

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Speaker 3: running back in the league. He was the only person

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Speaker 3: who's ever averaged more than five yards of carry in

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Speaker 3: each of their first five seasons, and he was well

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Speaker 3: on his way to doing it again this year. And

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Speaker 3: so when we watched it, initially, our TVs were not

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Speaker 3: really SYNCD up very well in the in the booth

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Speaker 3: as that you would like, where it was like kind

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Speaker 3: of one was either right on as it happened. It

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Speaker 3: was basically live. Yeah, so you couldn't actually go back

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Speaker 3: and watch that one was like three plays behind. But

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Speaker 3: I initially saw the way that he went down and

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Speaker 3: oh man, maybe collarbone. That was what I was initially

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Speaker 3: fearful of. And we were talking about that and you know,

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Speaker 3: the booth and I think I just said.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, was it in the booth or was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they showed up. I think our feed was

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Speaker 3: the scoreboard feed so much. I think they must have

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Speaker 3: shown that on the scoreboard, but it was, and I

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Speaker 3: just I think I just said, oh my god. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Then you just knew at that moment that was the

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Speaker 3: end of his season, and you just wish him the

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Speaker 3: best in his recovery. But it was, you know, emotionally

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Speaker 3: brutal this this game, this day. No, I had a

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Speaker 3: the better team, flat out. There are two things that

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Speaker 3: couldn't happen. Onen, he couldn't turn the ball over. Yep,

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Speaker 3: you're honestly lucky to be one and one. We turned

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Speaker 3: You didn't. And by the way, on the very first play,

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Speaker 3: This is the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Like, it's you in the hands, he's gotta be caught. Well,

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Speaker 2: now he wasn't in camp a lot. And if you're

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Speaker 2: knock it down. Yeah, I can't hit it up, but

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Speaker 3: You gotta catch it. So it was just a devastating start.

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Speaker 3: And then the other thing was he said, is we

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Speaker 3: you know, high Smith and TJ. Wat can't wreck this game.

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Speaker 3: And they scored fourteen points, they scored two touchdowns, so

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Speaker 3: they did.

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Speaker 2: They scored their offense.

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Speaker 3: They did wreck the game. This is the first time

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Speaker 3: in this century that a team has produced a fourth

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Speaker 3: quarter comeback while netting negative seven yards in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, our defense was superb once again. There

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Speaker 3: was one big play allowed. That's gonna happen. It's the NFL. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: for the most part, they were superb in this game. Offensively,

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Speaker 3: it is not good enough and now you lost what

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Speaker 3: our identity, even with Deshaun Watson coming here was still

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Speaker 3: Nick Chubb. And unfortunately Deshaun Watson has not yet regained

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Speaker 3: the form that he needs, and boy, we're gonna need

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Speaker 3: Nick Chubb, it's all gonna be on his shoulder. So

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Speaker 3: this is his opportunity to go.

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Speaker 2: There's a There's a thing with Chubb that is that

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Speaker 2: I think resonates so well with Browns fans everywhere, and

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Speaker 2: it's it's rare in sport, in life that the best

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Speaker 2: you remember his rookie year when they were monkeying around

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Speaker 2: it and finished with nine ninety six. Yep, not one word. Nope,

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Speaker 2: not one complaint. He finished nine ninety six is a rookie.

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Speaker 2: He was over a thousand you remember this, and then

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Speaker 2: trying to get Baker the touchdown thing, and so they

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Speaker 2: did that. Not one complaint from Nick Chubb. Never Tim

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Speaker 2: Share shares carries with Kareem Hunt.

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Speaker 3: Fine, Kareem Hunt.

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Speaker 2: What's next?

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Speaker 3: He started his career.

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Speaker 2: What's next, sir? He signed Carlos Hid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, never a complaint.

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Speaker 3: And I was gonna go back to in his rookie

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Speaker 3: from then on he takes off and gets everything that

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Speaker 3: he certainly needs to become a superstar in this league.

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Speaker 3: It's it's devastating, and you know, talking to people after

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Speaker 3: here today. We lost a game we shouldn't have lost.

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Speaker 3: That happens in the NFL. We were sloppy. We beat ourselves.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers are not a very good football team. They

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Speaker 3: You know, Jed Wills doesn't move on the snap, which

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Speaker 3: important situation. We'll get into that and later on, you

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Speaker 3: know that happens. You lose games that you should have

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Speaker 3: won in the NFL. But to lose Nick Chubb made

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Speaker 3: it feel, especially in that House of Horrors, and that's

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Speaker 2: Oh, I believe in ghost stories, buddy.

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Speaker 3: We won the playoff game. I was there, but no

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Speaker 3: And by the way, everything we said was right. Their

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Speaker 2: Oh they couldn't wait.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we gave it away. Oh yeah, over and over,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah it was I was in the days, no

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Speaker 2: was pretty had it gone well, you you'd feel better today.

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Speaker 2: But it was always going to be hollow the fact

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Speaker 2: that it went so poorly after the fact that you

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Speaker 2: had the one nice play on the screen to achieve.

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Speaker 2: But other than that, I mean, Amari boy. If Amari

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Speaker 2: know what you do. Because he caught everything thrown his way.

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Speaker 2: What a heroic effort out of him to play in

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Speaker 2: that game coming off of Roin. He was unbelievable in

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Speaker 2: from him and Watson. We've got big problems, offensively big problems,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know that there's a quick fix for this.

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Speaker 2: You got a short week and you're gonna play Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: You've got Baltimore after that. But you had an all

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Speaker 2: off season to be on the same page, and it

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Speaker 2: just feels like not.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's so weird, Okay, I don't understand where,

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Speaker 3: Like the long handoffs to Elijah Moore that we've seen

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Speaker 3: all throughout, where have those gone? Just those easy little layups,

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Speaker 3: not seen, you know, in short yardage some I know

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Speaker 3: j coober sets on here anymore. But the sneak's pretty

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Speaker 3: They said, this is the drive. No, Nick Chubb to

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Speaker 3: Approached it, and we lost. We were the better team

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Speaker 2: The lack of discipline, the penalties, the inability to know

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Speaker 3: have to get better in a hurry. Offensively. Defensively, oh, you're.

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Speaker 2: Ready to go. Defensively, you're fine.

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Speaker 3: You're locked in, I mean locked and yeah, you can't

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Speaker 2: No, it was for me, every every drop back was

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Speaker 2: and then strip sack and Jack picks it up. Touchdown, game,

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Speaker 3: Jed Wills has got to be He's got to be better,

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I thought he was better as a rookie.

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Speaker 3: I think that may have been his best year.

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Speaker 3: You should have. The real truth is it, not only

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Speaker 2: Middling, totally middling, dude.

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Speaker 3: Just take care of the football.

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Speaker 2: Just don't let them score off of your offense.

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Speaker 2: Be disciplined, and they'll play hard.

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Speaker 3: And you need to bring it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what exactly does bringing it look like for

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Speaker 3: Let's start there.

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Speaker 2: I know we just haven't.

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Speaker 3: Let's start there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a game.

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Speaker 3: Without turning the ball over.

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Speaker 2: I'd love it.

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Speaker 3: I'll even take one turnover.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I live with one.

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Speaker 3: Let's just start there.

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Speaker 2: now it's head of the podium, your head coach, Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 4: Okay, injury front, Like we talked about last night, Nick

446
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 4: has a knee injury that will require surgery, that will

447
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 4: end his season. Like you know, talked about it last night.

448
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 4: Very disappointed for Nick. Means a lot to this team,

449
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 4: means a lot to this organization. So he will be missed,

450
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 4: but he will bounce back of that. I have no doubt.

451
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 4: Greg Newsom is dealing with an elbow injury. He's day

452
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 4: to day. You know, you go back and watch the

453
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 4: tape after that game and you see our team doing

454
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 4: things that you cannot do and win in the NFL.

455
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Speaker 4: It's hard to win the NFL. You can't do some

456
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 4: of the things we did and expect to win. The turnovers,

457
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 4: the giveaways four of them, two of them leading the touchdowns,

458
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 4: some of the penalties, the field position game. We did

459
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Speaker 4: not play well enough, so that that's the truth of it.

460
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 4: Didn't play well enough as a team. So we'll own

461
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 4: that one. When does the team lose as a team.

462
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Speaker 4: And then we got to turn our attention very quickly

463
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Speaker 4: to Tennessee, another AFC opponent at our place. So we

464
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Speaker 4: have already started work on them and we'll get going

465
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Speaker 4: on them with the players tomorrow. With that, I'll take any.

466
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Speaker 5: Questions, Yeah, Kevin do you guys think that you're going

467
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Speaker 5: to need to add another running back and are you

468
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Speaker 5: working on that today? You know, really hard to try

469
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Speaker 5: to find somebody to replace Nick. And how do you

470
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Speaker 5: replace a Nick Chob?

471
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Speaker 4: Well, we are working on that, Mary Kay and Andrew

472
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Speaker 4: and the personnel departments working through options. You don't, as

473
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Speaker 4: you know, you don't replace Nick Chubb. That's you just

474
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 4: don't do that. Great players in the league, you look around,

475
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 4: they go out. It's always not one person that replaces

476
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 4: a player of his caliber. So everybody's got to do

477
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 4: a little bit more, got to do a little bit

478
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Speaker 4: more everywhere. But we'll look at options there in terms

479
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Speaker 4: of who we bring in.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Kevin, after a look, can get the tape last night,

481
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Speaker 6: how would you assess the offensive line play and the

482
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 6: pressure the Steelers brought uh and Deshawn's reaction to that pressure.

483
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we obviously, uh, you know, didn't do enough there

484
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 4: and protecting and it's it's always, uh, it's multifaceted. It's

485
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 4: it's play calls, it's technique, it's it's it's everything. But

486
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Speaker 4: we we just didn't do a good enough job. It's

487
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 4: a very good front. They pressured us from the edges

488
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 4: and from the interior. Uh and and we made some

489
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Speaker 4: plays but just didn't make enough.

490
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Speaker 2: In terms of moving on with the offense.

491
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Speaker 7: Is this going to require kind of a redesign or

492
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Speaker 7: reimagination at all of your offense?

493
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Speaker 4: I think you do that week to week Tom based

494
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Speaker 4: on who's available to you. Obviously you lose Nick and

495
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 4: but we have players back there that we really trust

496
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Speaker 4: and that we we like a lot. So it does

497
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 4: shift some things to different guys. And we'll work through

498
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Speaker 4: that throughout this weekend and really throughout the season.

499
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Speaker 8: Kevin DeShawn last night said he needs to play better.

500
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Speaker 8: Bottom line was that he needs to play better with

501
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 8: the short week game coming up. What's the first step

502
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 8: of approaching that and getting him back on track with

503
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 8: the game right right out around the corner.

504
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we all have to play better. Cam

505
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 4: I got a coach better. It really goes. It runs

506
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 4: the gamut when you're talking about winning and losing in

507
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 4: the NFL. I think for us as an offense, I

508
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 4: think it's very very obvious. We can't turn the ball

509
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 4: over four times. You know, we call them giveaways. We

510
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 4: can't give them anything. You know, you give credit to

511
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 4: their team, but we have to do a better job

512
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Speaker 4: of protecting the football really everybody that touches it.

513
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Speaker 2: Kevin, going back to Chub for a second, did you

514
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Speaker 2: get a chance to talk with him last night when

515
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: you guys got back or this morning?

516
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Speaker 3: And how is.

517
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Speaker 6: How's he doing?

518
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

519
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Speaker 4: I did not get to him last night. I think

520
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 4: he was probably asleep at that point, but I talked

521
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Speaker 4: to him this morning. He's in the building today, disappointed,

522
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 4: as you all can imagine. And it's hard because these

523
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 4: guys put so much into this. These are very real people,

524
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 4: and it hurts him, it hurts us. So, like I

525
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 4: said before, we will support him in every way and

526
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 4: then we're gonna best thing we can do to support him.

527
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 4: The best thing we can do to you know, honor

528
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 4: who Nick Chubb is is go out there and perform,

529
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 4: go out there at work. I think that ultimately is

530
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Speaker 4: what Nick expects this team to do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Kevin, you know Deshaun is taking a beating, you know, nationally,

532
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 5: locally for his performance, and you know people are putting

533
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Speaker 5: it together with last week's performance, which we know had

534
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 5: a lot to do with the ring. But you know

535
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Speaker 5: what makes you confident that Deshaun is going to be

536
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 5: able to work through some of the issues that he's

537
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 5: having right now, protect the football, and run this offense efficiently.

538
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think it's it's never about one person. I

539
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 4: completely understand that the quarterback gets way too much of

540
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 4: the credit, way too much of the blame. That's just

541
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 4: life of being a quarterback in the NFL. It's it's

542
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: the head coach. You get all the credit. You don't

543
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: deserve it, you get all the blame. It doesn't matter.

544
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 4: You own it. So I know what he's made of,

545
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 4: I know how he works, and I expect him to

546
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 4: come in here and ready to work tomorrow. That's really

547
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 4: really where the focus is.

548
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 5: What did you think of the face mask penalties after

549
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 5: you saw them again on film?

550
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, we you know obviously you can't grasp it, you

551
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 4: can't pull it. He knows that. I don't see that

552
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 4: as a problem going for Kevin.

553
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Speaker 7: We know that you and Alex ben Felt and Deshaun

554
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 7: Watson spent countless hours redesigning offense to suit his skill set.

555
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 7: I want to know how concerned you are, not how

556
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 7: disappointed you are, but how concerned are you with the

557
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 7: way it's looking.

558
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Speaker 4: Yeah, my concern Tony is we're you know, lost the

559
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 4: game last night. We're a one on one football team.

560
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 4: We have a one on one football team coming to

561
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 4: our place next week. We have to play better, particularly

562
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 4: on offense. We have to play better, We have to

563
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: take care of the ball, and we need to you know,

564
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: play our guys in position to succeed. But in terms

565
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: of big picture, I really narrow my focus and just

566
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: worry about what we can do better moving forward.

567
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Speaker 7: I'm certainly the additional running back you need obviously for depth.

568
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 7: Are you prepared to say to run forward as your

569
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 7: feature back right now?

570
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 4: Yes?

571
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Kevin.

572
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Speaker 6: Another question regarding to Shawn, he said last night that

573
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Speaker 6: he's still coming along, whatever that means, and while he

574
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 6: also acknowledging he needs to play better, et cetera, et cetera.

575
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 6: But from your perspective, do you feel like he's still

576
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 6: working his way back knocking off rust or do you

577
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 6: feel like that you're you're seeing that he's going to

578
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 6: be the player that the organization traded for.

579
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 10: Yeah.

580
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Speaker 4: I think for me, much much more narrow focus than that. Daryl,

581
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 4: we're one and one. Deshawn's one and one on one

582
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 4: and one, our team's one and one that means you

583
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: did enough to win the first one, we didn't do

584
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 4: enough to win the second one. So very simply, we

585
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 4: got to get back to work short week. We'll pour

586
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 4: everything we got into this game. It's the biggest game

587
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: in our season because it's the next one and it's

588
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 4: an AFC opponent, so we just have to be at

589
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 4: our best. Hey, Kevin.

590
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Speaker 6: Dashaun also said he needed to get rid of the

591
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 6: ball quicker to help with the protection.

592
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Speaker 10: How do you help him do that?

593
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Speaker 4: Yeah, going into that game, you know, when you're playing

594
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: a defense that can rush the pass or it's a

595
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 4: combination of things. Obviously, you want to play on time

596
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: and get the ball out. That requires people to get

597
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 4: open quickly and then win versus certain coverages quickly. Obviously

598
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 4: you have to protect. So it's always a combination of things.

599
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: And sometimes you're holding on the ball a little bit

600
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: longer and you're providing help to your tackles, or it's

601
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 4: extra play action, whatever it may be. So it's always

602
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: a combination of things.

603
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Speaker 7: Kevin, it seems like, at least through the first two games,

604
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 7: when Watson goes off the opening script of plays, he

605
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 7: tends to lean on one target the entire game yesterday

606
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 7: was Cooper. I'm not sure the numbers and Djoku Elijah

607
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 7: Moore DPG only had the one target at the end.

608
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 7: Be concerned with the distribution. You got a lot of

609
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 7: new players at a lot of new targets, and he

610
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 7: doesn't seem to be distributating the ball to them.

611
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 4: Uh. Yeah, I think we have good players, Tony. The

612
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: time always comes and there will be more opportunities for

613
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: guys you mentioned David, you mentioned Elijah, guys that we

614
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 4: think very highly of. Uh, it's it's really game to

615
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: game basis. It's it's you really designed the plays to

616
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: go to different guys at times, and then the coverage

617
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: dictates where the ball goes.

618
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Speaker 2: All right, there's coach to fans, get the podium. I assume, yeah,

619
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Speaker 2: we're good, You're safe, you're safe. Yes, there you go,

620
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: there you go. Look, there are a lot of well

621
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: founded questions on offensively the look of this. And Tony

622
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: used the word concern. It's yeah, yeah, that's the word

623
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Speaker 2: I would say. The thing that's really puzzling. And we'll

624
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: have ask off about this in the in the Joe

625
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: Thomas half hour, and Joe Hayden'll be in here shortly

626
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: talking about this as well. Is so much of the

627
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Speaker 2: things that you and I and you saw all of it,

628
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: I saw a decent amount of it saw in the

629
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Speaker 2: summer and in camp, it's not showing up through the

630
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Speaker 2: first two weeks.

631
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Speaker 3: Yep.

632
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Speaker 2: So that's the thing that it's, you know, where's this

633
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: where Why is there a disconnect in terms of what

634
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: was happening in mini camp, in the off season program

635
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: and what's happened in camp and what we've seen through

636
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Speaker 2: two weeks.

637
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Speaker 3: That's job one. It is and there are two answers

638
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: to it. One and you obviously didn't have great weather

639
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: in the first game. Not an excuse, by the way.

640
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that is it is true whether was

641
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: not great in the first game, second game at he's

642
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 3: got to throw. He's got to be comfortable throwing with

643
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: more anticipation in this offense, especially given the struggles that

644
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: we're having on our offensive line. That's just I think

645
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: that's unfortunately, that is a reality of the situation all

646
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the NFL. There are two things that are happening.

647
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: The first is he's under pressure on forty percent of

648
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: his dropbacks over two weeks. That is way too high

649
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: of a rate. Okay, that that's not sustainable. That needs

650
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: to be dropped down to thirty percent at the most. Okay,

651
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: that's number one. Number two. When you're operating from a

652
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: clean pocket, you need to be lights out and from

653
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Speaker 3: a clean pocket. Sixty two percent completions six yards in

654
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: an attempt in a quarterback rating of eighty four, that's

655
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Speaker 3: not going to get it done.

656
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Speaker 2: No.

657
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Speaker 3: So, And here's the crazy thing. We're talking about a

658
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: guy who's a seventy percent passer career. Yeah, seventy percent

659
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: was second behind Drew Brees. And now it's like, is

660
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: he gonna get up a fifty percent week in and

661
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Speaker 3: week out?

662
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Speaker 9: Oh?

663
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 10: I know.

664
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Speaker 3: So the the pressure is a problem. Okay, I'm gonna

665
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: say that again. Pressure is an absolute problem. He is

666
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: under pressure at far too high of a rate. But

667
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Speaker 3: it needs to be better when he is clean. That

668
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: is to me, that is a critical part of all

669
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: of this. He needs to be better from clean pockets

670
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: and that can come from execution, scheme, all of it. So,

671
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: Shan Watson is at forty percent. Here's the pressure by

672
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: drop back in the league. Zach Wilson fifty three percent,

673
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: Danny Dimes forty eight, Fields forty seven, Bryce Young forty seven,

674
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett forty five, Desmond Ridder forty one, c J.

675
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: Stroud forty Here's what they don't have in common, right,

676
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: Wilson's in is what thirty year but not really has

677
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: not really ever been a full time starter. Justin Fields

678
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: has been brutal.

679
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 10: Yep.

680
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: Bryce Young is a rookie, Kenny Picketts in his second year,

681
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: Desmond Ritter's in his second year. CJ. Stroud's a rookie.

682
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: Danny Dimes is the is the kind of one anomaly

683
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: and they got boat raced by Dallas. I don't know

684
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: how what skew that is by Dallas in week one? Yeah, right,

685
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 3: right right, But you go and you look at you know,

686
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: Garoppolos at fourteen percent right now, Trevor Lawrence twenty seven percent,

687
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert twenty seven percent, Dek Prescott twenty seven percent.

688
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: GoF Cousins thirty percent. That's where you need to live

689
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: to be effective. But you know where you go and

690
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: look and to take it a step further, because I

691
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: talked about it, part of it's the pressure percentage. Then

692
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 3: part of it is what you do when you are

693
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: kept clean. Here's the thing. There are fourteen quarterbacks in

694
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: the NFL right now who have a quarterback rating of

695
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: more than one hundred from a clean pocket. There are

696
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Speaker 3: another six that are ninety six are better. So twenty

697
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: quarterbacks are ninety six are better in a clean pocket.

698
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: In a clean pocket. The bottom of the league right

699
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: now is Kenny Pickett is dead last, Yep, Bryce Young,

700
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: Justin Field's, Joe Burrow, Derek Carr, Zach Wilson, Anthony Richardson,

701
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson. Yeah, right above me. You have Josh Allen,

702
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: you have Jalen Hurts, you have some got Patrick Mahomes's

703
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: twenty first. So those guys aren't playing at their level,

704
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: but we need That's not the group that you're supposed

705
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Speaker 3: to be amongst.

706
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Speaker 2: No and and of the guys you mentioned, they've all

707
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: had when it. You know, That's why I like so

708
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: much of the way that you are all feeling, in

709
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: the way that you know we're feeling, everyone feeling watching

710
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: the game. To your earlier point, one of one fourth

711
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: quarter drive, one moment, one galvanizing drive, and the ills

712
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: are largely forgotten. You did not need a spectacular quarterback

713
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: performance last night. You need not not by a damn stretch.

714
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: You needed a drive. You needed one drive. It either

715
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: happened before the sack strip fumble, and you could have

716
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: driven down and kicked a field goal and won the game.

717
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: That would have been it. It's all. You needed one

718
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: field goal without giving TJ. Watt a touchdown on your offense,

719
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: and you win the game.

720
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: That's it.

721
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: You couldn't do that. That's all that it took. It

722
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: was sixty yards of plays would have got you to

723
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: a point where your near field goal range you could

724
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: have tried to win the game. Instead, you've got You

725
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: didn't get anything. You didn't get anywhere near the visciny.

726
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: And then anytime you did get when you did have

727
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: a little bit of momentum, you stubbed your toe repeatedly

728
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 2: with disciplinary stuff. So that's the crazy thing, is like,

729
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: as much as we yearn for this all to look

730
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 2: the way that it looked in Houston for a while,

731
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: that's not even what's necessary, especially not when you had

732
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb. Now it probably.

733
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Speaker 3: Is, and now it probably is as you go through

734
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: and you look at you know, Deshaun Watson, remember when

735
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: he came to the Browns, his quarterback rating as a

736
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: member of the Houston Texans was in the hundreds. I

737
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: think it was like one hundred and three. It was

738
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: top three all time. And his games with the Browns

739
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: forty seven, fifty three, sixty seven, seventy seventy nine point one,

740
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: pou eighty four, ninety one point four. That's it. Yeah,

741
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: And he had his best game was against Washington, won

742
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: twenty two point five. That is his only game where

743
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 3: he's had a quarterback rating of greater than one hundred

744
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: as a member of the Cleveland Browns. And you look

745
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: at you know, his career he had with the Texans.

746
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: Over the course of all those seasons, he had won two, three, four, five,

747
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: six games with the quarterback rating in the sixties or below.

748
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 3: He's already got three with the Browns. I mean he

749
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: had a rating over one hundred thirty times in three years.

750
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, thirty times. Oh yeah, No, he was spectacular.

751
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: He was a top five quarterback in the league. Yeah,

752
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: well it is not that's not right now.

753
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,680
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754
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Speaker 2: joining studio now by former Brown's cornerback Joe Hayden, the

762
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Speaker 2: pro bowler here in studio. You know, we the loss

763
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: of Chubb, the devastation of that, the loss in general,

764
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: the way that it went down, that's a that's a

765
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Speaker 2: tough night, buddy, That's that's hard to put into perspective.

766
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: What were your thoughts on what you saw last night?

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00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 11: All the way around, it was a tough pill to swallow,

768
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 11: especially we started from the top with Nick Chubb, and

769
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 11: it was just, you know, seeing a dude that worked

770
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 11: so hard, it's just all about his business and handles

771
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 11: his business so professionally. To go down like that, it's

772
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 11: just heartbreaking, not only for Browns fans, with the NFL fans.

773
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 12: People don't want to see good football. And I was respectful.

774
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 11: I really love the Steelers organization and the fans for

775
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 11: showing love and showing respect fan and give them that

776
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 11: Chubb cheer. So that was just so my stomach and

777
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 11: I was up there with Nathan watching it. Our stomach's

778
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 11: literally hurting the rest of the game, just turning, because

779
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 11: that's like, you want your team to win, you want

780
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 11: them to be successful, but you hate to see injuries

781
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 11: like that when you know that the guy's gonna be

782
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 11: out for a long time.

783
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 12: So just have to put that out there first.

784
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 11: And then the turnovers start the first play of the

785
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 11: game with the pick, everybody's hype ready to go, just

786
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 11: a nice little stick round, you know, let's just get this.

787
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 11: Let's just let's just get comfortable. And it goes with

788
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 11: not only a pick, but a pick six, and then

789
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 11: that place goes crazy. So it was kind of just

790
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 11: from the beginning in the first place. Then when it

791
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 11: happened to Chubb, it was just like bad things. So

792
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 11: it's just kind of on offense, just eliminating those turnoffs.

793
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 11: If they don't score thirteen points, Steelers defense, we win

794
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 11: the game easily, So it's just not shooting yourself in

795
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 11: the foot. The defense played tremendous I was super happy

796
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 11: about how they were just out there standing up. They

797
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 11: had a couple of place is the pickings big pass,

798
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 11: so you know that's going to play hapen here and there.

799
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 11: But they gave up thirteen points and I mean, that's

800
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 11: that's that's a good defensive stance. So that's that's kind

801
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 11: of my take over a game.

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00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: They limited them to twenty four minutes of possession, two

803
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty total yards in the second half. You had,

804
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: you gave up five first downs in the entire half,

805
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: you forced four months. I mean, you got the ball

806
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: back for the offense. It's just so sick. They were

807
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: never in a red zone, never in the red in

808
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: the entire game.

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00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 12: Whole game.

810
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 3: They had negative seven yards in the fourth quarter. Joff.

811
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: They were behind going in the fourth quarter. There is

812
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: the fewest number of yards gained by a team with

813
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: a fourth quarter comeback this century.

814
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 11: It was it was it was crazy to watch because

815
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 11: grew up there. We were like, we're winning every single

816
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 11: thing but the game. Yeah, and it was every stat everything,

817
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 11: but it didn't matter because you won't put the getting

818
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 11: points on the board because it's turnovers.

819
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Speaker 3: I mean, you cannot win in the NFL when you

820
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: turn the ball over and consistently, that's what the Browns

821
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: are doing. We're very lucky. I said. You know, if

822
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 3: you're negative two in the turnover differentially, you don't win often.

823
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: We've done that in both games were one and one,

824
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: and we feel like we should be two and oh.

825
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: But you got to take care of the football. How

826
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: on a defensive side, I think that's your mindset right,

827
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: and you want to take the ball away or do

828
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: you need to get two takeaways? In this game which

829
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: was very good, but how do they clean that up?

830
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Speaker 11: I mean some of those were just ricochets. You got

831
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 11: to just catch the ball. You had two hands on him,

832
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 11: catch the ball. Just just make routine plays, routinely like

833
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 11: it wasn't a lot of things. And then when we

834
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Speaker 11: had in Djoku.

835
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Speaker 12: You know why I got that.

836
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Speaker 11: I mean, it's just some of the stuff that he

837
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Speaker 11: says just makes sense. And then it was Joku ball security.

838
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 11: You can't get the ball punched out, just try to

839
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 11: get to the ground with it. So just protecting the

840
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 11: ball and just routine plays. It wasn't really too much

841
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 11: as catch the ball when it hits them both hands.

842
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: So after the game Chris and I were in the

843
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: elevator and the press boxes on like the sweet level

844
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: for the Steelers, and we get in and there are

845
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: it's a big family and they're all wearing routine plays,

846
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: routinely T shirts. And then I'm standing there and the

847
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: gentleman to my left says that he loved my sport

848
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: coat and he liked my little thing. If I had

849
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: closed my eyes, it was Mike Tomlin talking to me.

850
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 3: So it was his brother and the family, so which

851
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: we gathered by the time we got out of the elevator,

852
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: but I mean his voice, it was crazy. But they

853
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 3: were all That's what made me think, laugh, think about

854
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 3: that because they were all wearing make routine plays, routinely

855
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: T shirts. They have like Steelers shirts of that for

856
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 3: the family.

857
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: So well, you can put it on a T shirt,

858
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: but it's an ethos. Well it is there because they don't.

859
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: But they can't do it on offense.

860
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 2: They no, no, no, they cannot do it on offense.

861
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: But it's so interesting, you know, like I don't believe

862
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 2: in ghosts, but I mean over there, it almost feels

863
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: like that. It's crazy, like to you guys's point, like

864
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: every single statistical thing you controlled, except for the ones

865
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: that matter the most, right, the turnovers, the big plays

866
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: that discipline, that type of stuff, and they believe like

867
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: there's no reason for them to believe twenty two to

868
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: nineteen that they're winning. They can't move the ball, they

869
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: can't do anything. We could have just ran three plays,

870
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: punted it over and over and over again, Joe, we

871
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: would have won the game because they could not move it.

872
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: And yet you play renegade and all goes to hell.

873
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, it went crazy. TJ want Smith just reckon reckon

874
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 11: the game.

875
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 12: Yes, it was wild.

876
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: Well, it was a combination of things. And this is

877
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: where I go back to self inflicted the wounds. So

878
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: we talk about, you know, the penalties that took out. Yeah,

879
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: Browns have eight of them, as you see, the staffs,

880
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: the outpossessed them by eleven minutes in the game, the turnovers.

881
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: But I'll even take it a step further. It's simple

882
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: things and you go back and you go into the

883
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: full play by play, and we talked about how they

884
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: had the one seventy one yard play, the long touchdown

885
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 3: to Pickens. If you go back before that, they start

886
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: off on their own eighteen first and ten Nagier is

887
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: up the middle, no gain, second and ten. Can you

888
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: picket pass short? Incomplete? Short left of Nagier's third and ten?

889
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: Remember third and ten. He checks it down to Jalen Warren.

890
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 3: We have three people coming in to tackle him. Don't

891
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 3: he gets the first down? The next place seven words.

892
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: That play never should have even happened. Rounded, completely surrounded.

893
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: Oh you do say you got exactly what you want

894
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: to checks it down at four yards, you have six

895
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: yards to make a tackle. The Browns don't do it,

896
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: and then you go and you mentioned at the end

897
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: the sex Strip fumble and all the chaos and craziness

898
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: that went along with that. Well, how did that happen?

899
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: Because when they punted it, we don't touch them all

900
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: about the twenty five. It bounces to the six and

901
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 3: now you're all backed up, and that's a dangerous place

902
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: to be in that place, Renegade plays. The place is

903
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: going nuts. You've been out there. I'm sure you guys

904
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: get a from a Steelers perspective, a huge jolt, Oh

905
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: for sure when that happens, and you just it was

906
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 3: in and it did never need to be in peril.

907
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: You didn't need to be that close to the end zone.

908
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: So it's just so many self inflicted wounds. And as

909
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: we said her, it was bad ball. Like take the

910
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 3: defense out of it, you guys, get all your flowers

911
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 3: for sure. Everything else was bad ball.

912
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: How do you you've been part of a team where

913
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: you have, like a player of Nick Chubb's worth, both

914
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: on the field and off with a catastrophic injury, Joe,

915
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: And if so, how do you deal with that? How

916
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: do they rally around that?

917
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 12: I would say I think I did.

918
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 11: Actually, I would say Ryan Shazier when I was with Pittsburgh,

919
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 11: when I did go there and that happened, and he

920
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 11: was he was one of the heartbeats of that team,

921
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 11: and I think he was going to be literally franchise player.

922
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 12: And he was about to get his contract.

923
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 11: Everybody was super super happy for Ryan because he was

924
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 11: one of those Nick Chubb kind of guys. Worked super hard,

925
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 11: loved the game, study the tape, and it's it's we

926
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 11: played this game and we know the energies that aren't

927
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 11: to come along with We've been playing since we were kids,

928
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 11: so we know that things going to happen, and that's

929
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 11: just the way of the game.

930
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 12: But being able to see or see a guy like that,

931
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 12: I think you got it. You kind of you.

932
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 11: Kind of rally around him, kind of around around Riley

933
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 11: around that and kind of see like, look, we got

934
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 11: a kind of I heard what my man knew some

935
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 11: I'm talking about it. You kind of do it for him.

936
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 11: We were playing for Shay. We know that he had

937
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 11: any opportunity to be out here. We're putting his life

938
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 11: on the line every single day. And he didn't have

939
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 11: any regrets. He wasn't mad at anybody. He was like,

940
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 11: this is the way the game is done, and he

941
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 11: was trying to recover and get back out there. So

942
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 11: you can use it for motivation, and it's just a

943
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 11: real life situation where these dudes are real dudes. We're

944
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 11: out there playing the game that we love and we're

945
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 11: putting our life out there, and it's just an understanding

946
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 11: thing that happens. So when it happens and it's a

947
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 11: person that you love, it kind of hits. It hits home,

948
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 11: it hits hard, but it's a it's a realization that

949
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 11: this game something that everybody where.

950
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 12: It happens to the Guydiators every time one thing.

951
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: That's been going around and I just want to get

952
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: you knew Meca very well. But just the people are

953
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: saying it's dirty. It might mind it happened so fast

954
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: like that you could even contemplate that it was a

955
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: dirty hit. But there's a lot of discourse about it.

956
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: But I know that you knew Minka well and had

957
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 3: a lot of respect from Ussel. You guys interact before

958
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: the game last night. That's got to be one of

959
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: the hardest things to be the guy that's on the

960
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 3: other side of that type of a play, for sure.

961
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 11: That's the way with the t Higgins, with with the

962
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 11: t Higgins, when it happened with Buffy, hell with DeMar

963
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 11: Hamlin's those guys, they're not doing anything wrong. If you're

964
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 11: in the phone booth with Mick Chubb, I'm trying to

965
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 11: take his legs out because if you go up high

966
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 11: for one thing, helmet the helmet, now the rule changes.

967
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 11: We gotta go lower for these guys or you're gonna

968
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 11: get ran over embarrassed, and he's just going to continue

969
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 11: to hop step or do whatever he does. So Minca,

970
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 11: in that position, you're in the phone boof, you're gonna

971
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 11: shoot low, take his legs out and hopefully get him

972
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 11: down sweep them up under him.

973
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 12: That's just how normal tackles go. You've seen that play routinely.

974
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 11: Routinely Nick Chubb in the whole with guys and people

975
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 11: are coming down trying to take his legs. If you

976
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 11: hit him high, you're gonna get carried into the zone.

977
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 11: So I just feel like Menca definitely, everybody understands that

978
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 11: plays the game, that knows MinC is a Minca is

979
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 11: a he loves the game, he respects the game, he

980
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 11: respects Mixchubb, he respects his his talent. So he's not

981
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 11: trying to hurt anybody. He's just trying to tackle him

982
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 11: before he gets into the end zone. So I I

983
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 11: all my hearts and prayers obviously go out to Nick Chub.

984
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 11: But at the same time, Minky, we know your heart,

985
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 11: we know that you had no intent to hurt him.

986
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 12: You're you're you're a player, you love Nick Chub.

987
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 11: You So he went up to him after and just

988
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 11: trying to make sure he's okay because he I know Minka,

989
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 11: I know his heart and how he plays the game,

990
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 11: and he has too much respect for the game for that.

991
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: Joe, how do you you're Kevin, Let's put you in

992
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: the head coaches, see, how do you how do you

993
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: galvanize this? How do you flip this around? I mean,

994
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: there was a lot on the line here. You're talking

995
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: about going to and O in the division, one of

996
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: three teams in the FC that would have been too

997
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: and oh you you have a meltdown. You're the catastrophe

998
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: that is the Nick Chubb injury. What what does the

999
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: tone need to be this week around here, getting ready

1000
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: for play a game in six days.

1001
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's definitely executing the self inflicted wounds, you know.

1002
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 11: I mean, if you look at the tape at the

1003
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 11: same time, all of this stuff that we're talking about

1004
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 11: is a lot of things are self inflicted. If you

1005
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 11: take away that stuff, you just got to get back

1006
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 11: to the basics.

1007
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 12: Man, Just don't mess that up.

1008
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 11: Control the ball, don't throw the picks, catch the ball

1009
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 11: when it hits you in the hands, block tackle, you

1010
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 11: know what I'm saying. Just don't have don't have bust

1011
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 11: the coverages when that big play happened. They don't even

1012
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 11: have that on defense. So just field the punts, Field

1013
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 11: all the punts.

1014
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 12: You know what I'm saying.

1015
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 11: Catch the ball, fair, catch it, run up on it,

1016
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 11: save us so much field position.

1017
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 12: It's not too much crazy.

1018
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 11: Just do the normal things that you're supposed to be doing,

1019
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 11: and we would have walked out of that game with

1020
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 11: a victory.

1021
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 12: Nobody has to recreate the wheel.

1022
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: Might have to bring your boy Jim Leonard back in

1023
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: here to be a designated punt catcher. He didn't even

1024
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: try to return any punts that year back. I think

1025
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: I was fourteen when they just put him out there,

1026
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: and he's just like, fair came, yeah.

1027
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm good.

1028
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1029
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 2: I mean what Joe just described, though, and I think

1030
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: this is what's so baddening for all of us, and

1031
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: probably the coaching stuff too. I mean, that's basically everything

1032
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 2: I tell my sixth grade kids is everything.

1033
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 3: You just said. Yes, it's a simple stuff.

1034
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 11: Don't just hurt it over, don't. It's a simple game,

1035
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 11: and they're not. It's not close away from doing anything bad.

1036
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: It's just and we've had more time than any team

1037
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: in the league. And I would say more time than

1038
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: anything because the Jets lost Aaron Rodgers immediately and so

1039
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: they don't even have the team that they were working with.

1040
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: We've now lost Nick Chubb, but we've had more time

1041
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: the league to be on the same page, like snap

1042
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 3: count issues in critical situations that can't happen, guys not

1043
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: being on the same page. That can't We've had more time.

1044
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: That's what the trip to the Greenbrier was about, these

1045
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 3: joint practices and all that extended time in Philadelphia. So

1046
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: this was all about and it's very frustrating. I think

1047
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: I speak for everybody when I said it's very frustrating,

1048
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: because it is right. It's not trying to reinvent the wheel.

1049
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: We're not like playing football of trying to play the

1050
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 3: game a different way. We're just not doing the simple

1051
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 3: things that are necessary to win in the National Football League.

1052
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: In fact, we're doing the opposite of them. We were

1053
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: doing things that are necessary to lose when you are

1054
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: the better team. And that's exactly what happened. We did

1055
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: everything we had to do to lose against the Steelers,

1056
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: and guess what we lost.

1057
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, good seeing you. It'll be more fun at you,

1058
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: I know, I know.

1059
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 3: Kicking it we've been like hitting wedges, chasing a small

1060
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: ball around with pure joy. But I do want to

1061
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: ask you just give us one thing to help us

1062
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: out here, because I'm sure there were times when you

1063
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: were here and certainly times when you're on the playoff

1064
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: teams with the Pittsburgh Steelers where you would have a

1065
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: game like this, this does happen. Teams lose games in

1066
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: the NFL that they should have won. How do you

1067
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: bounce back? How does that?

1068
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 13: Like?

1069
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: How do you everybody? Is it? Is it one thing?

1070
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: Is there a team leader who's going to go into

1071
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 3: that locker room and be like this is not acceptable?

1072
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 3: Everybody look in the mirror, Everybody hold anybody account Like

1073
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: how does that get galvanize? Because I'll flipping around to Tomlin.

1074
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 3: Tomlin's now won five straight games after being blown out

1075
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: by twenty or more and eleven of the last twelve,

1076
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: Like that is clear, that's not an accident. That's not

1077
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: an accident.

1078
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 12: Is it?

1079
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 11: Back to the basics and we get to the meeting room.

1080
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 11: Is showing the people that made the mistakes what they

1081
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 11: did wrong, where you need to where this can't happen.

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00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 11: This is basic things. We're not actually to play out

1083
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 11: of your body. We're not actually to do anything that

1084
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 11: you're not ca full of doing. So just going back

1085
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 11: to that and showing the mistakes, being able to keep

1086
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 11: people accountable on the film in front of their peers

1087
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 11: and showing them like we're not actually do anything different.

1088
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 11: If you can't do it, then somebody else is gonna

1089
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 11: have to take that spot. So I mean, you're going

1090
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 11: to kind of get there because it's not like you're

1091
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 11: telling them to do anything out of their position. So

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00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 11: I mean, I just think getting back to the basics,

1093
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 11: keeping people accountable and showing them on the tape what

1094
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 11: you want from them, what you need from them, what's

1095
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 11: acceptable and what's not. So I think if you do that,

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00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 11: I mean, because that's that's basically I think what coach

1097
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 11: t did when I was there, he would just come

1098
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 11: back to you and you would have to look in

1099
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 11: the mirror. He would call me out. He would call

1100
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 11: Cam Hayward out. Just if you're not in your gap.

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00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 11: This is not acceptable. Like don't just be falling in

1102
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 11: here and stay there, everybody, get back to the basics,

1103
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 11: do what you gotta do, and you'll execute and hope,

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Speaker 11: hopefully come up victorious.

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Speaker 12: It's very simple.

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00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: It's like literally simple.

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00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: It's a simple stuff. Great see anybody, yeah too for sure,

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Speaker 2: Great jow hating joining us from one great joke to

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Speaker 2: Brands station efforting the Joe Thomas half hour.

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00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: It's like an hour but half. He's got a bow

1121
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: on his back right now. He's in the world.

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00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: He's in the wilders, right. Yeah, that that is it.

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00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: That's kind of like an iberd of the Viking.

1124
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: Thing, because yeah, now the Vikings without that was good.

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00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 3: That was a good time when we were an MVD

1126
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: having the time of our lives, mall of America. Oh gosh, gosh,

1127
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 3: we're really living then. Look at us now, man.

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00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's uh, it's.

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00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 3: Rough, brother, it's rough. But you know what, here's the thing.

1130
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: The fact of the matter is the highs are high

1131
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: in this league and the lows are low in this league.

1132
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: But it is one game, one game, and you have

1133
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 3: a chance to bounce back this week, even though listen,

1134
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: it's a lingering impact with the loss of Nick Chubb. Yeah,

1135
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 3: that makes it worse than the Jets last year. It

1136
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: makes it worse than the time.

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00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: That's why it's the worst one for me and the

1138
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: six years I've been here. It's the worst loss because

1139
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: this because of what was at stake and what happened

1140
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: to whom that that's what, and the fact that you

1141
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: did not have an answer once he went out.

1142
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: Well, and I think the look of it. The thing

1143
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 3: that maybe even the most is everything that you just

1144
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 3: said is one hundred percent true. And you had with

1145
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: two and a half minutes left, the guy that you

1146
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: brought in here to be the Steeler Slayer, to be yep.

1147
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: You know, your guy with an opportunity with the ball,

1148
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: which is all you can ask for, right yep. And

1149
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: I was unfortunately, unfortunately unable to get it done. And

1150
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: so now it's not only a loss of the game,

1151
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 3: you know that your whole operation is now going to

1152
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: be on his back, and thus far it has not

1153
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: looked to the level that you need it to be.

1154
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: No, all right, I believe we've located the Hoff in

1155
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: an undisclosed location in some place in a western state.

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00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 10: Hoff.

1157
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: How you doing? But where are you? Can you give

1158
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: us a close parameter of where you are?

1159
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm just outside of Provo, Utah right now, up

1160
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 10: in the mountains, nine thousand seat. I get a beautiful view.

1161
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 10: I can see for about one hundred miles. It's amazing.

1162
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: Oh well, this is what happens in the Rockies.

1163
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing. Are we on? Are we on?

1164
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 3: Any have we have? We picked up the scent? Are

1165
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: we on? Are we in pursuit?

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00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 10: Well? Just like the solved the highest of high's lowest

1167
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 10: of lows life, it imitates art in this case. And

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00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 10: I can't remember, like you guys, being so emotionally invested

1169
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 10: in sad after a game as I was last night

1170
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 10: since I played. And then there was some better news,

1171
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 10: at least in my own little world. I just got

1172
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 10: my first delk in my life about an hour and

1173
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 10: a half ago, way deep down in this canyon, like

1174
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 10: two thousand feet of elevation below where I am, and

1175
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 10: I told my buddy, who is calling for me, I'm like, okay,

1176
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 10: I got an hour and a half to hike up

1177
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 10: like three miles to the top of that ritz to

1178
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 10: try to get cell service, so let's take some quick pictures.

1179
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 10: But then it's on you. And he gave me his

1180
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 10: phone because I didn't know if my phone was gonna

1181
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 10: work and I don't have like GPS, so I can

1182
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 10: get back to them and help them pack this thing out.

1183
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 10: So yes, it's it's been. It's been a better morning.

1184
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 10: I will say that, although the thing from last night

1185
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 10: is still with me, especially I love you guys very much,

1186
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 10: but it's it's coming back a little bit right now.

1187
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 10: I'm back to reality.

1188
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the hoff Is, I mean the haff

1189
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: Is John Rambo Bow and Arrow shots from two thousand,

1190
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: I mean, my goodness, all right, look we let's we

1191
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: got to pull the band. I mean, this sucks. It's

1192
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: the I was watching Joe like obviously not I was,

1193
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: I was here, but I after the chub injury, I

1194
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 2: was numb for two hours, like I just couldn't. I

1195
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: couldn't shake it. Your your view of it, your emotions

1196
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: watching it, and and kind of everything that followed, Uh.

1197
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 10: I watched it once and it made me sick to

1198
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 10: my stomach. I started crying it. It hurt me in

1199
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 10: a way that I can't remember being hurt.

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00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: We're having some trouble at Joe's phone. Obviously he's on

1201
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 2: top of a mountains of Mountain Utah, so it's tough.

1202
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: I tell you, though, what the first thing he said

1203
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: there when he said you know that, he yeah, that,

1204
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: that was the yeah. I mean, I think when I.

1205
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: My, oh my god, was as visceral a reaction as

1206
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 3: you could possibly have, because again I was thinking it

1207
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: had to be shoulder or which the way that he

1208
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 3: went down so fast, and then I saw it and yeah,

1209
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: you just I was kind of numb. I think that's

1210
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 3: a very good way to describe it. I felt numb.

1211
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 3: Chris Rose, who did an excellent job last night filling

1212
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 3: in for for the great Jim Donovan, and we certainly

1213
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 3: all of our thoughts are with Jim today as they

1214
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 3: are every single day, as we can't wait to get

1215
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 3: him back and hope for good news from him. But

1216
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: it was just like it was brutal. It was. It

1217
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: was brutal, and then you know you think, okay, well,

1218
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: they're rallying and they're going to get it done, and

1219
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: then to come up to lose the game after losing

1220
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb, just yeah, this one it hurts.

1221
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: I couldn't and I never couldn't engage. I really couldn't.

1222
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 2: You were in the moment, I mean, you're calling live,

1223
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: so she had to. But like you know, it was

1224
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 2: even with the interception early, you know, the game was

1225
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: so alive for me, you know, every play, all of that.

1226
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: But once the injury to Nick happened, everything was viewed

1227
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: through that prism for me, and it was like I

1228
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: couldn't shake it. I couldn't shake the prism. And it

1229
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I mean I would have. You made

1230
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: the point. It's the correct one. Like if if your

1231
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback rallies you down, you win in the last

1232
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: two minutes, you're feeling pretty happy about things. But it

1233
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: would have been even if that had happened, there would

1234
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: have been a yeah butt and the yeah but is

1235
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: in this instance was just enormous.

1236
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: It would have been and hear me out on this,

1237
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 3: It would have been akin to Week seven, twenty twenty

1238
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati, Odell Beckham goes down, tears ZCL on the

1239
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: first play of the game, and then Baker leads that

1240
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: great comeback and that goes on to be a great season,

1241
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 3: and that win really got the Browns going on the

1242
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: road division opponent. You have the ball at the end,

1243
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 3: and that one was much more improbable than this one.

1244
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 3: We had time and time out all of that. But

1245
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 3: I think that's what it would have been more akin

1246
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 3: to because agree just that helped the vibe coming out

1247
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 3: of that immensely that you delivered.

1248
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: No question, that's a good one. That's a very good

1249
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: example of it. It's just the connection you have with

1250
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: Chubb through sex years. But I take your point. I

1251
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: think that's a fair one in terms.

1252
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 3: Of I just think had we lost that game back,

1253
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: if that, oh yeah, then it feels much more like

1254
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: this feels granted Nick Chubb and and but Nick Chubb

1255
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 3: to this franchise different.

1256
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: I think you make a very solid point in how

1257
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: you can have you know, small, you can have a

1258
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: victory amidst you know, what is it, you know, from

1259
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: a football perspective, tragedy and that necess a victory, Yeah, correct,

1260
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't necessitate that. I believe we have the hoff

1261
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: back from his ridge atop the Rocky Mountains some nine

1262
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: thousand uh haf We we heard your first part there

1263
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: where you said you cried and the emotion of it,

1264
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: and you know obviously firsthand what it takes to play

1265
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 2: this game. We just haid Joe Hayden here, he was

1266
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, when you lose one of the

1267
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: best gladiators of the way he put it, it seems

1268
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: like it affects.

1269
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 10: The entire league, There's no doubt. And Nick Chubb has

1270
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 10: been the absolute, quintessential perfect Cleveland Brown since the moment

1271
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 10: he stepped foot in Maria, And I think that's part

1272
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 10: of the reason it hurts so bad. The best running

1273
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 10: back in the NFL is such a huge part of

1274
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 10: your offense. Yeah, yeah, But to me, to me, it

1275
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 10: was about the human and the person that he is

1276
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 10: and just feeling for him because it was such a

1277
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 10: such a bad sight to watch that. We got back

1278
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 10: to alt camp and there was another Brown saying, actually

1279
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 10: it's from the way when he was video on one

1280
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 10: of the other guys that are here, And so we

1281
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 10: were sitting there watching the second half and he didn't

1282
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 10: see it, and I go, don't even want don't even

1283
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 10: look at it. You don't want to see it. It's

1284
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 10: it's not something that anybody wants to see because it

1285
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 10: just it was such an emotional, emotional gut and then

1286
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 10: to try to get back out on the field for

1287
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 10: those guys and finish the game. And I think the

1288
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 10: reason to me, this one's done so bad outside of

1289
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 10: the Chubb injury, but it felt like you just got

1290
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 10: hit from every direction. You felt like he got cheated

1291
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 10: by the reps. On the last row of the game.

1292
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 10: When Donovan People's jones gets mugged. You feel like your

1293
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 10: offense lets you down. Your offensive line lets you down.

1294
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 10: At the end of the game where they had negative

1295
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 10: seven yards of offense in the fourth quarter and we

1296
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 10: were winning going into the fourth quarter, It's almost impossible

1297
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 10: to lose in that situation. Your defense is playing lights out.

1298
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 3: It has been impossible in this century, Huff. If that

1299
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: makes you feel any better, nobody else has ever done that.

1300
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 10: Thanks, No, I feel better. I mean, like you just

1301
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 10: feel and it's it was It goes back to part

1302
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 10: of it.

1303
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 4: You know.

1304
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 10: Obviously, I'm emotionally attached, probably more than most to the

1305
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 10: offensive line and the jet and the left tackle, and

1306
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 10: to see him have get off the ball late and

1307
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 10: then give up the stripsack fumble that leads to the

1308
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 10: touchdown after we had just had this conversation a week

1309
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 10: ago on CBD talking about urgency, attention to detail and

1310
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 10: having to take mindset that every play is the last

1311
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 10: play of the Super Bowl because you never know when

1312
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 10: that play is going to be the most important play

1313
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 10: of the game, and you never know when that play

1314
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 10: is going to be the difference of winning losing that game,

1315
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 10: which keeps you out of the playoffs or gets you

1316
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 10: into the playoffs. And so I think sometimes it's hard

1317
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 10: for guys that come from college maybe or younger guys

1318
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 10: to just understand the gravity that every play holds in

1319
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 10: the NFL, and then just how important like this game is.

1320
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 10: It's a game, yeah, but maybe we do get too

1321
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 10: emotionally invested. But this is really serious stuff, Like this

1322
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 10: is really important and you want those guys to feel

1323
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 10: it the same way that you do, and sometimes in

1324
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 10: those moments you feel like sometimes they don't. And that's

1325
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 10: not a broad brush on everybody, but I think it

1326
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 10: just it harked back to the conversation we had last week,

1327
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 10: like you can't be laid off the ball. I understand

1328
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 10: it's a mistake, but you just can't do it in

1329
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 10: that moment. And you see exactly why that is important

1330
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 10: and why I hated going into gaming it because I

1331
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 10: was so sick to my stomach, because I was so

1332
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 10: nervous and anxious that I was going to be the

1333
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 10: reason that one mess up was going to lead to

1334
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 10: a loss, and it was going to be on my shoulders,

1335
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 10: and so I the mentality that you had to have

1336
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 10: of a gladiator on every play, like it was life

1337
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 10: and death. It is a game in the end, but

1338
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 10: you have to have that life and death mentality, that

1339
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 10: sense of urgency on every single snap. And it was

1340
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 10: disappointing to see the same issue that we saw in

1341
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 10: week one come back in week two.

1342
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, there's a reason that you're wearing

1343
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 3: a gold jacket in addition to your unbelievable immense talent.

1344
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 3: It was that mindset and the fact that you sat

1345
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 3: here and you said I could have you know, on

1346
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 3: sixty five out of six six plays, I was perfect.

1347
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: But in my position, the fear was that one play

1348
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 3: would be the one that would change the game. In

1349
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 3: this case, for Jed Wilsey's had two now that have led,

1350
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 3: you know, directly to very negative plays for the Browns.

1351
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 3: One led to an injury with Jack Conklin, and this

1352
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 3: one leads a sex strip fumble touchdown that costs the

1353
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: Browns a game. And yeah, it's it was bad ball,

1354
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 3: attention to detail, not taking care of the football, the turnovers,

1355
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 3: all of it offensively, you know, and unfortunately half it

1356
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 3: feels like we wasted another insanely good defensive performance by

1357
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns.

1358
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 10: There's no doubt, and I think we all have hopes

1359
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 10: that this defense is for real and they're going to

1360
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 10: be a top five defense every single week of the season,

1361
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 10: and they're going to keep you in there in no

1362
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 10: matter how many turnovers your offense is coughing up. But

1363
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 10: you know that there's going to be points in this

1364
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 10: season where you're gonna go against some better offenses that

1365
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 10: maybe it's just not our defense's day and we're going

1366
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 10: to have to be able to match their firepower with

1367
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 10: our firepower on offense, which we feel like we have

1368
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 10: the horses to do that. But you're not going to

1369
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 10: be able to do that if you can't hold on

1370
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 10: to the football and do the little things the right way,

1371
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 10: which starts with ball security, and then it starts with

1372
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 10: just paying attention to the details of my stamp, like

1373
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 10: how deep do I need to be on my route?

1374
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,479
Speaker 10: When do I need to get my eyes around, where

1375
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 10: do I need to line up? When what's the snapcunt?

1376
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 10: Like being perfect at all those things is something that

1377
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 10: has to happen on a championship team without even thinking

1378
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 10: about it. It shouldn't even be a conversation. And I

1379
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 10: felt like we made some progress on offense, but it

1380
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 10: felt like one step forward, two steps back, where you

1381
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 10: saw some good things developing and you can talk yourself

1382
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 10: into seeing like a fun, creative offense that can score

1383
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 10: a lot of points. But with the amount of turnovers

1384
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 10: and and mental mistakes you're going and I don't know

1385
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 10: who you can be turning the ball over the way

1386
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 10: we did.

1387
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 3: Nobody.

1388
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 2: Nobody, Yeah, because the Steelers, No Steelers are not no

1389
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: haf I want to I want to talk to you

1390
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: about Watson in a second, but I did want to

1391
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: ask you like with this is a couple of weeks

1392
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: in a row with Jed and YE know it's not good.

1393
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: James Hudson is there, but Tony it was great at

1394
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: left tackle. We have some other guys who can play

1395
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: on the interior. Is it is it time to rethink

1396
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: who's playing up front?

1397
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 10: I don't think so because and this is the reason

1398
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 10: and the reason I get disappointed with when things like

1399
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 10: that happen with Jed is because I'm seeing his overall

1400
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 10: body of work. It's as good as it's ever been.

1401
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 10: The tools are all there and his tool belt, like

1402
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 10: his technique, his past set, his run blocking, his finish

1403
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 10: is getting better. Like he's doing all those things. It's

1404
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 10: just a matter of being consistent doing it. And so

1405
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 10: I say my bar and my expectations for him his

1406
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 10: probol caliber. And so when he doesn't meet that because

1407
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 10: of a lack of sense of urgency in certain situations,

1408
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 10: or a lapse and focus or whatever happens, like I

1409
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 10: get really disappointed because I know that his skills are

1410
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 10: all there, like they're polished, they're ready to go, and

1411
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,919
Speaker 10: it's just a matter of doing it over and over again.

1412
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 10: And I think if you did put Joel out there,

1413
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 10: if you did put like a James Hutson, your expectation

1414
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 10: bar comes way down. And so I don't think he

1415
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 10: still I don't think you get the same output in

1416
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 10: the in the end. So if you were just closing

1417
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 10: your eyes and saying, who's going to play left tackle better,

1418
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 10: Jed's still going to play left tackle better. There's no

1419
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 10: doubt in my mind. But I but I do think

1420
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 10: that the reason we get so disappointed is because we

1421
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 10: see the shiny object over there that could be with

1422
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 10: the potential and just being close, but in those most

1423
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 10: critical of moments not being able to do it. So

1424
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 10: I wouldn't make any type of move like that right.

1425
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: Now, all right, Hoff, hold on, just say that a

1426
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 2: couple more football and then we'll get to the beast.

1427
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 3: I was going to talk about another very large individual,

1428
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 3: Dewan Jones. I was going to ask him, yeah, okay, okay, okay.

1429
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 3: I was going to make a segue. I was going

1430
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 3: to compare the giantness yeah, okay, all right, the ginormousness

1431
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 3: of what the hoff is done with Dewan Jones. But

1432
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 3: I was going to ask Adwan Jones question before we

1433
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 3: get into that, what did you see from him? Obviously

1434
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 3: a very difficult environment, but I thought, you know, from

1435
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 3: my vantage point, didn't stand out in a bad way,

1436
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 3: which I thought was a pretty big win against T. J. Watt.

1437
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, you're looking at one of the three best edge

1438
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 10: players in the NFL, right, Bosa, Miles, Garrett, TJ. Watt.

1439
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 10: And for Dewan who we were talking just like three

1440
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 10: weeks ago, he's probably not gonna play it all this season.

1441
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 10: He's just started now, right, and he's going to get TJ.

1442
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 10: Watt of Money Night Football. Welcome to the NFL. Rookie, Like,

1443
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 10: there's no more difficult situation for a rookie to be

1444
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 10: put into. And I thought he played really well. Thought

1445
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 10: he handled himself very very well. There was very few

1446
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 10: obvious mental mistakes. I thought he was very sharp. He

1447
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 10: did a great job handling TJ. Like there's of course

1448
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 10: things we can nitpick and we can talk about. And

1449
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 10: I thought the game plan was really good. I mean

1450
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 10: we saw there's very few times where they were just

1451
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 10: going to let TJ run up the field. You always

1452
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 10: saw either a back coming out of the backfield, or

1453
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 10: they would line up in a in a like a

1454
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 10: close backed formation or trips or something like that where

1455
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 10: they always had somebody that could give him a little

1456
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 10: bit of a shot. Because we talked about this last week,

1457
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,959
Speaker 10: the big mismatch with Dwan versus TJ. Is if TJ

1458
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 10: runs straight up the field and dips his shoulders, for

1459
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 10: a big man like Dwan, it's hard for him to

1460
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 10: get back fast enough. And then also while he's getting

1461
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 10: back to be able to bend low enough to be

1462
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 10: able to block a guy that can bend like TG.

1463
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 10: I mean TJ. When he rushes up the field and

1464
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 10: dips and rips, it's very much like what Miles does, right,

1465
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 10: and Miles is fairly unlockable for big human beings like that.

1466
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 10: So I thought the game plan was really solid, and

1467
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 10: I thought the one did a great job executing it.

1468
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 10: So I was really proud of the job that he did,

1469
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 10: and I thought it was another big step.

1470
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 2: All right, let's have the uh, let's let's have the

1471
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 2: quarterback conversation. It's eight games. There were a bunch of

1472
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 2: opportunities in the fourth, Joe, I mean, honestly, just don't

1473
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 2: turn it over. And I realize, you know, we talked

1474
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 2: about Jed's part of that as well, but the four

1475
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 2: turnovers and if you have one drive in the fourth

1476
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 2: either before the strip sack or after you win the game,

1477
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: it's kind of that simple and it doesn't happen. What

1478
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,759
Speaker 2: are you seeing with Watson. What aren't you seeing with Watson?

1479
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 10: Well, I think you're seeing improvement over last year. He's

1480
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 10: definitely more comfortable. He's definitely looking to make plays within

1481
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 10: the confines of the offense. I think that was a

1482
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 10: big coaching point, not try to take the home run

1483
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 10: on every play. So you definitely see in progress. But

1484
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 10: I think we were expecting probably to be a little

1485
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 10: further along right now with this new offense. And when

1486
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 10: you do have a quarterback that we all think is

1487
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 10: a top five quarterback in the NFL who can do

1488
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 10: it with his legs, he can do it with his arm,

1489
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 10: you want to see those moments. Those are the verifiable,

1490
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 10: like check, double check moments, like yep, we got our guy.

1491
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 10: The stage was set for that moment and he was

1492
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 10: not able to deliver. Now, it was not all on him,

1493
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 10: of course, but those are the moments that you're going

1494
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 10: to want to see and you're going to need to

1495
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 10: see here in the next few weeks to feel really,

1496
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 10: really good and say, Yep, we're right about the decision

1497
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 10: to bring him here, to sign him and to make

1498
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 10: him the franchise quarterback. And I still believe in him,

1499
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 10: but I want to see those moments, right, that's the

1500
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 10: follow through with the performance that makes you feel really

1501
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 10: really good. And it's always crazy thinking about injuries and

1502
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 10: sort of making them like paper type things and not human.

1503
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 10: But I mean, Nick Chubb is not going to be

1504
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 10: here for a while, so this is even more now

1505
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 10: than ever going to be put on Shawn's shoulders to

1506
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 10: win US games. And so I think that can be

1507
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 10: a good thing. Like he's going to have a lot

1508
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 10: of opportunities in the next several weeks, certainly where the

1509
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 10: game is going to be put on his shoulders, where

1510
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 10: Kevin Stavanci say, hey, this is your game. We're going

1511
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 10: to lose with you. There's no other options. And I

1512
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 10: think he's got the receiving corps to do it, and

1513
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 10: I want to see it.

1514
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 3: What has to change when when you lose a guy

1515
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 3: like Nick Chubb? And you know, I think in many

1516
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 3: ways we were kind of trying to hybrid what has

1517
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 3: been our traditional bread and butter offense and then hybrid

1518
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 3: it a little bit with some spread concepts. For Deshaun Watson,

1519
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 3: do you think this injury necessitates just a full straight

1520
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 3: on move into turning the keys over to Shaun and

1521
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 3: running basically much more of a spread freelance pack.

1522
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 10: Well, I still think it's going to be the same offense.

1523
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 10: I think they're just going to emphasize more passing, a

1524
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 10: little bit more of the spread freelance. Put more stuff

1525
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 10: on to sean to have a run in a pass

1526
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 10: option on each play, be able to pick depending on

1527
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 10: what the defense looks like. Hey, you have at any

1528
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 10: moment if it's a run, you have full capability and

1529
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 10: greenlight to be able to check into whatever pass you want.

1530
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 10: This is full of your offense now, because you're going

1531
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 10: to have a running game that's going to be solid.

1532
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 10: I mean, I think you saw some good verse from

1533
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 10: Jerome Ford last night, but it's not Nick Chubb. And

1534
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 10: Nick Chubb can win you a lot of games. He

1535
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 10: has won us a lot of games, but he's not

1536
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 10: going to be there. So who's going to pick up

1537
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 10: the slack? And I think it's quarterback, right, But I

1538
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 10: think going and running a different offense would be tough,

1539
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 10: and I'm not sure that Jerome Ford is going to

1540
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 10: be better at running any different type of often. And

1541
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 10: so I just think you emphasize those spread concepts and

1542
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 10: you give a little bit more ability to Deshaun Watson

1543
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 10: to audible at the line of scrimmage out of some

1544
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 10: of those runs.

1545
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 3: All right, hauff, let's talk about something more fun, because

1546
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 3: this is obviously this has been. It's a bummer for

1547
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 3: the Browns coming off of that game. And no joy,

1548
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 3: no joy, no peer jo. But no, we were just

1549
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 3: sent an image of your elk. And I'm not gonna

1550
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 3: say it here and say that I'm an elk expert,

1551
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 3: but this looks like an enormous beast. So there is

1552
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 3: you look tiny.

1553
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 2: There's a there's a Boone and crocket standard here. Uh,

1554
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 2: the hunters will know. This appears to be a Boone

1555
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: and Crockett type elk. To me haff in this Instagram photo,

1556
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 2: it appears to be be of that stature.

1557
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 10: It is. It is definitely up there. We, like I said,

1558
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 10: we haven't measured it. Uh, it's being broken down by

1559
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 10: my buddy right now as I I also put on

1560
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 10: my Instagram the picture of where I'm doing this interview from,

1561
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 10: which is on the ridge the mountain two thousand feet

1562
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 10: above where they elk is leg right now. But this

1563
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 10: is the first olkon I've ever been on, and so

1564
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 10: I'm really not an expert in any way, shape or

1565
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 10: form on elk. But as soon as that thing came

1566
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 10: charging in, my buddy was given a little cow call

1567
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 10: I think came in from like one hundred yards and

1568
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 10: it was going to like run us sober. I almost

1569
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 10: had to shoot the thing in self defense. But it

1570
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 10: was like a dinosaur was ready to steamroll you and

1571
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 10: turn you into a very small pancake. And like walking

1572
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 10: up on that thing and seeing how big it is,

1573
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 10: trying to roll it over to take some pictures. It's

1574
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 10: a huge hatible And I feel very, very lucky and

1575
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,520
Speaker 10: fortunate just to be able to see, like being in

1576
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 10: the timber with animals like that going about their business

1577
01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 10: doing their thing right now, peak breeding season, and be

1578
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 10: up and close to something like that was it was.

1579
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 10: It was an emotional adrenaline overload for sure.

1580
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 3: I bet Elko wing at the hof House for many

1581
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 3: a moment.

1582
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 10: Gonna be a lot of elk steaks, Baby on the

1583
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 10: grill in the suv, in the mistakes Baby.

1584
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 2: Hof where I mean this is this thing is going

1585
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 2: to be a gorgeous mount as well. Yeah, yeah, I

1586
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: mean this, folks, I've seen a lot in my time.

1587
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a big boy. It's a I mean,

1588
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 2: hof's a big man.

1589
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 3: He looks.

1590
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a huge These bulls man are huge

1591
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 2: this time of year. They are quite feisty.

1592
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 13: Uh.

1593
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 2: The females are in the rut, as it were, and

1594
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: so uh they're they're on it and this this is

1595
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 2: a hell of accomplishment with a bow.

1596
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 10: My friend, Yeah, it was pretty awesome. He, like I said,

1597
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 10: he kind of stormed in on us. We were at

1598
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 10: the bottom of the canyon and we were calling him

1599
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 10: off the top and he we were pretending to be

1600
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 10: the cow, and he just storms right in and came

1601
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 10: to like twenty yards. I was at full draw, but

1602
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 10: there was a like a cedar tree right between me

1603
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 10: and the elk, and he was like standing there. And

1604
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 10: they don't have really excellent vision. They can smell really well,

1605
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 10: but they can't see unless you move a little bit.

1606
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 10: And I was at full draw but had this tree

1607
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 10: between us, so I couldn't shoot, and so I tried

1608
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 10: to like kind of lean out to one side just

1609
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 10: to find a little hole in the brush. And when

1610
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 10: I did that, he kind of got a little spooked.

1611
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 10: He got nervous, and so he turned and he ran

1612
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 10: and he kind of like took two big leaps, which

1613
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 10: he made like twenty yards and two leaps was just

1614
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 10: amazing the physical prowess of these eight hundred pounds animals.

1615
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 10: And all of a sudden he stopped, and my buddy,

1616
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 10: Scottie Miller, was like, just scoot over, shoot over, I

1617
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 10: can see him. So I just kind of did like

1618
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 10: two little quick steps to the left. I redrew, and

1619
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 10: he made like this big bugle, which was it like

1620
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 10: shook me right to the core, and the hair in

1621
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 10: the back of my neck stood up. And right when

1622
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 10: he bugled, my buddy's like he got thirty yards, and

1623
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 10: so I let it rip, perfect shot. He ran like

1624
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 10: probably seventy five yards and then started dealing downhill and

1625
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 10: just crashed right into this aspen thicket. And it was

1626
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 10: like the dream, just like I was dreaming it last night.

1627
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 10: It all came together the way, amazingly, the way I

1628
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 10: put it together in my mind.

1629
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 2: Well, thankfully we have that story to regale us, because

1630
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 2: it's been a tough show. Other than that, how you

1631
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 2: getting it out of there? Are Are you at a

1632
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 2: point where you're near a road? Do you have a TVs?

1633
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 2: We have horses? What are we doing.

1634
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, So we've got some many TVs. And I brought

1635
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 10: a radio, so I radio back to camp and kind

1636
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 10: of gave them the general idea where we are. But

1637
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 10: it's such a steep canyon, there's no way to get

1638
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 10: down there. So I put a pin on kind of

1639
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 10: where the road goes to. And then there was no

1640
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 10: self service up there by the way, so like I

1641
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 10: had to like rut hustle back to the end of

1642
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 10: the point to try to get some service. And then

1643
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 10: one some time and you guys are going to go

1644
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 10: back down and then we're going to continue quartering the

1645
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 10: elk up and then it'll be like eight trips up

1646
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 10: two miles up to the top of the canyon and

1647
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 10: talked to the at and then back to camp and

1648
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 10: into a freezer in a in a house near you

1649
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 10: in Milton, Wisconsin.

1650
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 2: Beautiful. Oh baby, Well, God bless you. Thanks for your time, buddy,

1651
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 2: enjoy the rest of your hunt.

1652
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 10: I appreciate you guys, thanks for having me on.

1653
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 3: The Great Hof. Say, last year, after the Jets game,

1654
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 3: we went and we went out to the Trout Club

1655
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 3: here and I had an insane meal and drown our

1656
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 3: sorrows a little bit, but then he at least he

1657
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 3: knows how to follow up these bad things with a

1658
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 3: pretty epic experience.

1659
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: Now, have you ever seen one of those in the wild?

1660
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 3: No?

1661
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like they're.

1662
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 3: So do you count the points on those?

1663
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: Or like they're huge?

1664
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I can see.

1665
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 2: That they're they're like they're like this is like three

1666
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 2: four times the size of a deer.

1667
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 3: It's like the Thrones when they went in and found that,

1668
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,799
Speaker 3: like the giant, like ginormous stag.

1669
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the Do you count the points on these? Yeah?

1670
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 2: So we would back east, they count every point.

1671
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 3: So it should be twelve then, right, but out.

1672
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 2: West you'd call that a six point six points because

1673
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 2: we got one side. Okay, Yeah, it's a big boy,

1674
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: all right. Lots more to get to, obviously, on a

1675
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 2: on a brutal night, you'll hear from some of the

1676
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,800
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Speaker 2: hear from some of the participants. You mentioned this with

1688
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 2: the hof Duwan Jones counting him so pretty well, it's

1689
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 2: DJ Watt. He really did.

1690
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 3: There's a Brian Diner breakdown of him about a minute

1691
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 3: and twenty seconds that I retweeted where you can see

1692
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 3: some of the good things he said. Most of the

1693
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 3: knight continued, played all eighty seven stamps, and for most

1694
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 3: of the night continued his upward arc of getting better

1695
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 3: versus an elite player. Lots of good stuff.

1696
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't feel like at any point he was

1697
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 2: out over his skis.

1698
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 3: No, I mean t J.

1699
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 2: Watt's one of the four best players in the league,

1700
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 2: so I mean like he's gonna be he's gonna recavoc Yes,

1701
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 2: but Dwan was quite strong here. He was post game.

1702
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 14: I felt I play solid, you know, going to probro

1703
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 14: all pro pass rusher. You know, I got a lot

1704
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 14: of help tonight. But for the most part, I think

1705
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 14: I think I held my own did all right. You know,

1706
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 14: it's a stepping stone just for the next step of

1707
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 14: the next game.

1708
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be on he I'm not worried about

1709
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 2: him at all going forward. I feel very confident. I

1710
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 2: think he's more. He'll only get better and better.

1711
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 3: He is the tackle I feel the most confident about.

1712
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 2: Accurate and fair. Joel Buttonio. You know, we talked about

1713
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 2: this and you you it's the Tomlin phrase, the routine routine,

1714
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 2: the routine plays routine. All the little things, right, That's

1715
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 2: the thing Kobe said, the little things don't matter until

1716
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 2: they do.

1717
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 10: They do.

1718
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: Here's Joel Buttonio on the small things and the little

1719
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 2: things that cost them.

1720
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 9: When when you play on the road, especially in the

1721
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 9: ANFC North, it has to be detailed, you know, the

1722
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 9: details that truly matter. And we're just off on a

1723
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 9: few details this game, and that's gonna that's gonna cost

1724
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 9: you a game like this.

1725
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 2: It's hard in a post game like that when you're

1726
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 2: as emotional as you are and especially with the chub

1727
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: injury that was kind of hanging over the entire team.

1728
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you could feel it like it was a

1729
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 2: totally difficpable game from that point one. But the reality

1730
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 2: is is like, this is a veteran team that has

1731
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 2: been put together to win right now and to be

1732
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 2: having the mental lapses that you had last night is impossible.

1733
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 2: It just simply cannot happen. You can't have that many.

1734
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: You can have one, you can have two, you get

1735
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 2: that many, you can't have a dozen.

1736
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 3: Nope, And and you.

1737
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 2: Had you count them, I bet you could get to

1738
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 2: a dozen between the offense, special teams, just mental lapses,

1739
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 2: bad just bad ball. Yeah, is it that many? It

1740
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 2: might be a dozen.

1741
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 3: I can think of four turnovers. I can think of

1742
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 3: I'll do the whole team. I can think of two

1743
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 3: plays total period, full stop on the defense, the one

1744
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 3: tackle and then the blown on that. That's the entire game. Offense,

1745
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 3: You've got four just on the turnovers. You have multiple

1746
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 3: penalties that were crippling, crippling penalties, holds that were crippling

1747
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 3: and by the way, unnecessary tough calls on I think

1748
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 3: one of them post did hold, the one on Dwan Jones.

1749
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 3: He was already terrible. He was five yards past the

1750
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 3: guy that was anyway. Yeah, and then the punts, the

1751
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 3: punt returns. I had a couple of the punts were

1752
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 3: not great either. You missed one kick. Yeah, easily a dozen,

1753
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 3: just like bad, bad plays. They were less bad than

1754
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 3: we were. We were so bad. They won. Yeah, they

1755
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 3: didn't win this. We we we You know, you give

1756
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 3: them credit for high Smith catching that ball and taking

1757
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 3: the ends on Harrison. Brian not only didn't catch it,

1758
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,799
Speaker 3: didn't tackle him either when he was right next to him,

1759
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 3: And you give him credit for the sack strip fumble,

1760
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 3: even though I would say Jad had played a equally

1761
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 3: as large role in that particular play. But I mean

1762
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 3: it was, yeah, a dozen just bad plays. And the

1763
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 3: crazy thing is you could have had eight bad plays,

1764
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 3: which would have been a staggeringly high number of just

1765
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 3: like I'm talking bad plays. Yeah, and you win that

1766
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 3: game by a touchdown.

1767
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

1768
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 3: You needed every single one of them. You needed every

1769
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 3: single one of the twelve to give them that win.

1770
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 2: Yep.

1771
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,719
Speaker 3: I mean it's crazy. It goes back to that game

1772
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 3: you were talking about.

1773
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: It was that Ohio State Clemson there were ten things

1774
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 2: that had all ten things had to happen, and that's

1775
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 2: kind of what it felt like last night, Like every

1776
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 2: single one of those, I think I got.

1777
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 3: Like six of the ten. You did it with some

1778
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 3: random guessing, I think you did.

1779
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 2: I think you did get six of the ten. The

1780
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:00,799
Speaker 2: defense not the problem, not by a damn stretch. It's elite.

1781
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: It's going to have to be relied upon. The thing

1782
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 2: that's going to be interesting is like typically when you

1783
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 2: have a great defense, you have a ball control offense

1784
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 2: that keeps them so they're not on the field all

1785
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: the time. And that's going to be a challenge going

1786
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 2: forward because we're not going to be ball controlled going forward.

1787
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 2: We're going to be in four.

1788
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 3: We trust. It's got to be the way. Let me

1789
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 3: say two things. Number One, if this defense was on

1790
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: last year's team, we went to the we go to

1791
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 3: the playoffs first and foremost. Secondly, I still believe this

1792
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 3: offense is going to get it going. Like Kevin Sefanski

1793
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 3: has been able to produce a productive offense everywhere he's

1794
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 3: been with a variety of talents at various positions. I

1795
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 3: believe that we will get this going. But we got

1796
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 3: to get it going very soon.

1797
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1798
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 3: Well, like listen Sunday.

1799
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 2: You want to do one of the like Nick Chubb

1800
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: doesn't get hurt, you win the game.

1801
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 3: I think that's probably true. Yeah, I mean he's averaging

1802
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 3: six carry Jerome Ford, I mean, Droome Ford was great

1803
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 3: in his own right.

1804
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 2: It was the one run, one run stat stads you know,

1805
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 2: pads the stats on that one, But no Chubb would

1806
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 2: have been I think you went with Chubb. There's no

1807
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 2: way you approached these approached the second half totally different.

1808
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 2: If you have Chubb, you don't and we won't for

1809
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 2: the rest of this year. And that's the heartbreak of

1810
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 2: it all. Miles Garrett on the defense.

1811
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 13: Didn't get the w so not well or noo. We

1812
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 13: held them where we needed to rushing wise, and made

1813
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 13: a couple of plays and it made that big play

1814
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:29,520
Speaker 13: to Pickens.

1815
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 4: Uh.

1816
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 13: It really really got them fired up. You know, we

1817
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,879
Speaker 13: were able to dive back in and make some plays.

1818
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 13: But as far as no getting the getting the stats

1819
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 13: we needed to and we got that done. But we

1820
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 13: need to get those takeaways. Know, if we get our

1821
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 13: hands on the ball, then we got to be able

1822
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 13: to come up with it or with it.

1823
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh, that's there's so much that happened in

1824
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 2: this game last night. But the Rodney, Rodney had it

1825
01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 2: in his hands, I mean, stupefying throw by picket, just

1826
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 2: throw it right to him.

1827
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 3: Threw it right to him, and he had it. That

1828
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 3: would have started the second half right, and they ended

1829
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 3: up getting three points on that drive. Yeah, so many

1830
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 3: little little things. Yeah, he threw that right to Rodney

1831
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 3: on set, I mean literally had no chance to complete

1832
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 3: that past to a Pittsburgh Steeler and threw it to

1833
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 3: us and we did not come up with a defense

1834
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 3: overroll that we come up.

1835
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 2: They were great.

1836
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,440
Speaker 3: They were great, dominant, two takeaways, dominant.

1837
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 2: Two guys who have been hand in hand the faces

1838
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 2: of this franchise. Miles got here a year earlier, but

1839
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 2: Nick and Miles have been those two guys. Miles on

1840
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 2: the loss of Nick.

1841
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:31,679
Speaker 13: Chubb, I mean, a man a few words, just keeps

1842
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 13: his head down and he's he's always working. And that's

1843
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 13: the integrity he has to us and to the game.

1844
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 13: And that's what we have to have h now, especially

1845
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 13: for him.

1846
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's play for Nick from here on out. So

1847
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 2: much more to come. You listen to Cleveland Browns Daily

1848
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,840
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1849
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,280
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1850
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,400
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1851
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1852
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 3: All Right, this is.

1853
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 2: It's brutal, it's been painful, and we've we've gotten through it.

1854
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 2: Now it's just about the best path forward, and it's

1855
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 2: about hope not being lost, and it's about taking the

1856
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 2: immense talent that remains on this team. It's going to

1857
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 2: look a lot different, and I think that's what's going

1858
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 2: to make Sunday fascinating for me. Is the approach. What

1859
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 2: one approach will we have? Offensively? I have no questions. Defensively,

1860
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm more than those questions are more than answered, quite

1861
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 2: confident a great operation.

1862
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 3: Look, I think now it is it's put the ball

1863
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,839
Speaker 3: on his hands and he's got to lead us, regain

1864
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 3: his form and lead us to the promised land. I mean,

1865
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 3: you're still gonna run it Jerome forward as a capable runner,

1866
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 3: but I think you've got to start running an offense

1867
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 3: or concepts that truly he is that are just kind

1868
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 3: of geared to him. And now here's the part that

1869
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to, because it feels like,

1870
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 3: isn't that what they did. Isn't that what the whole

1871
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 3: offseason was.

1872
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 2: About, that he had all this It was always my feeling,

1873
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 2: it was like, well, it doesn't what this was all

1874
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 2: about unless.

1875
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 3: It's just I think we're an empty quite a bit.

1876
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm have to look up our empty stats versus the

1877
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 3: rest of the league, but it does feel like it

1878
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 3: doesn't look all that different to me. We're empty a

1879
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 3: ton with Jacoby last year. It still a lot of

1880
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 3: the under center play action. Maybe there's some more, there's

1881
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 3: new different run actions out of shotgun, but for the

1882
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 3: most part, it looks very similar to me.

1883
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just trying to go back to I

1884
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 2: was just curious, like the last you know, in terms

1885
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 2: of because he had going into last night, he had

1886
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 2: such a great record in prime time. So his second

1887
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 2: year in Houston, they won eleven and five sixty eight percent,

1888
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 2: forty one, sixty five, twenty six and nine. Third year

1889
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 2: in Houston, aged twenty four, they go ten and five

1890
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 2: sixty seven percent, passer thirty eight fifty two, twenty six

1891
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 2: and twelve.

1892
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 10: Uh.

1893
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 2: The last year, last few year in Houston, twenty twenty season. Uh,

1894
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 2: the COVID season they went just four and twelve. But

1895
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 2: he's seventy percent forty eight, twenty three, thirty three and

1896
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 2: seven in that year. But there would have been a

1897
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 2: playoff game.

1898
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 3: I was just curious if January was leading. They were

1899
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 3: leading the Chiefs big big ley, Yeah, they were.

1900
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 2: They lot. Yeah, they got up that quick start. They

1901
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: ended up losing fifty one to thirty one. They so

1902
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 2: he beat the Bills in Buffalo in the in the

1903
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 2: they won a playoff game. They won the wildcard game,

1904
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 2: and then a division game they played. They played Kansas

1905
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 2: City in that game and lost fifty one twenty one.

1906
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 2: They had that, to your point, they had that hugely.

1907
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 2: That was year Kansas City won the Super Bowl. Coming

1908
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:55,520
Speaker 2: into that one.

1909
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were huge, by the way, real quickly, we

1910
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 3: have twenty eight plays out of empty this year. That's

1911
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 3: number one in the NFL. Patriots are two at twenty seven,

1912
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 3: Bills three at twenty one, Dolphins four at twenty nine,

1913
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 3: Ers five at eighteen, so fifth place eighteen. We're ten

1914
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 3: ten more than they're averaging nine a game. We're averaging

1915
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 3: fourteen a game.

1916
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 2: So in that game against against Kansas City went thirty

1917
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 2: one to fifty two, three eighty eight, two scores.

1918
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 3: No picks, no picks. They just kind of like stopped.

1919
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,719
Speaker 2: The defense could not stop. Yeah, yeah, they couldn't stop.

1920
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, four hundred yards nearly four hundred yards passing

1921
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 2: a game like that's what's required. Now, that's who we

1922
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 2: need to be going forward. It's on him.

1923
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 3: I mean the crazy part about is he would routinely

1924
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 3: throw for three hundred yards of game. Oh yeah, rot routinely,

1925
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 3: and it is we haven't even sniffed that. Oh no,

1926
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,799
Speaker 3: I haven't been close to it. And it's eight games now.

1927
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 10: I know.

1928
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's going to have to be. Yeah, this

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Speaker 2: season's going to be something. It will be because of him,

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Speaker 2: because the defense is going to be what the defense

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Speaker 2: That's not enough. So you're gonna need you need to report,

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Speaker 2: got a score. That's where you're at, all right, The

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