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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Book Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on giants dot Com Detino Schmelke You at

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Speaker 1: two one nine four, five one three. If you prefer

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Speaker 1: you go to Twitter and hashtag Giants Chat. Paul I

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Speaker 1: will be taking your questions throughout the program. Focus on

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Speaker 1: Mini Rookie Minicamp today everybody. UM. Obviously the Giants at

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Speaker 1: the Rookie Mini Caamp over the weekend practices on Friday, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and Sunday. The ones on Friday and Saturday, we're open

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Speaker 1: to us and the media not on Sunday, so we

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Speaker 1: could talk about that, talk about the guys you liked. UM. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: there have been some reports in the media today about

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Speaker 1: a veteran on the Giants that might or might not

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Speaker 1: be here. We cannot comment on that, but we can

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Speaker 1: talk about the player if you want. UM. Otherwise, it's open,

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Speaker 1: so give us a call whatever you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about at two one nine four or five one three.

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Speaker 1: But Paul, let's Salt Rookie Minicamp first. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's smart to begin with the draft picks, because I

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Speaker 1: think that's what everyone is is really probably most concerned with,

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Speaker 1: and obviously the star of the show is se Kawa Barkley.

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Speaker 1: We knew he was a freak athlete, and everything we

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Speaker 1: saw confirmed what we thought. So I know it might

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Speaker 1: sound boring to people, but to me, nothing it really

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Speaker 1: preconceived notion I already had about the kid before rookie miniecamp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let me say this, John, And you know you talk

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Speaker 1: about when the rookies get here, you can't make a

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Speaker 1: first impression, you know, a second time around, And the

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Speaker 1: bottom line is you want to see that the guys

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Speaker 1: are what you thought they were, at least from the

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Speaker 1: get go. It doesn't mean they're gonna turn out to

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Speaker 1: be terrific players, but what it means is you got

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Speaker 1: what you expected when they walked on the campus. The

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Speaker 1: scouting report was correct, yes to this point. And that's

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Speaker 1: what I saw with all of these draft picks. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There have been times, I'm not gonna lie to you, folks,

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Speaker 1: there have been times that I've watched rookie minicamp and

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Speaker 1: I looked at the guy and I said to myself, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't look like it's gonna go too well. And

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you know A lot of times it doesn't, but um,

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Speaker 1: in this case, the entire class does look like they

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Speaker 1: were as advertised. Two things about Barkley that I would say. One,

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Speaker 1: I had never seen him live in person on the

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Speaker 1: field until this week live in person meet too. Same here, okay,

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Speaker 1: sort of tape sorting on TV. It's not the same

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Speaker 1: as seeing a guy in his cleats on the field. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: his foot speed and quickness is off the charts. And

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you, for five eleven to thirty,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing to see a guy with those kinds of

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Speaker 1: quicks in his feet. Well, he moves like David Wilson.

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Speaker 1: The difference David Wilson was five eleven and two different.

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Speaker 1: And as I compared David Wilson to David Meghatt from

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Speaker 1: Barkley's quick But he's two thirty and that and that's why,

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Speaker 1: and that's why with David him when we picked him.

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Speaker 1: He's a big guy with small guy feet. He defies

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Speaker 1: one thing that my eyes saw in Barkley that just

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Speaker 1: He's just so bouncy Paul, like he's always on the

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Speaker 1: that springs in his shoes. Which, by the way, doesn't

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Speaker 1: that lend some validity to him wanting to bounce the

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Speaker 1: the thing when he gets in space, he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: a mismatch every time, right, But it's also something that

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Speaker 1: and he said that that was one of the first

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Speaker 1: the way, when I said he was everything I thought

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Speaker 1: But we knew that alady, I didn't seem dropping past

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Speaker 1: much to their happiness, above and beyond what they thought

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Speaker 1: We couldn't know that, But that's what Schrummer said, right

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Speaker 1: and look and you guys, we're not trying to dodge

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Speaker 1: here on the next group of players. But the fact

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Speaker 1: so much. And that goes to the Giants second third

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Speaker 1: round picks, two third round picks, in the one second

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Speaker 1: you have Will Hernandez, who obviously the only reason you

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Speaker 1: Um hills get off is pretty good. He he had

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Speaker 1: He physically and the way he moved. To me, he

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Speaker 1: than happy to go to war week one against UM

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Speaker 1: week one Jacks, not Dallas Jacksonville. Thank you. I'm just

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Speaker 1: used to be Dallas. I forget who it is UM. Well,

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Speaker 1: I saw him as really as a pass rusher, and

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Speaker 1: David get Leman kind of confirmed that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: He looks like a pass rusher. And I think he's

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Speaker 1: always always, Hey, guys, I just want to touch on

426
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Speaker 1: a couple of things from the two thousand seventeen season, um,

427
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Speaker 1: and you know, just kind of get your perspective on it.

428
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 1: Who do you think from that we've cut from two

429
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. That kind of didn't make sense to you.

430
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 1: If we, if I, if we as giant fans can

431
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 1: kind of pick your brain a little bit about it.

432
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 1: Who are we surprised from the guys that are on

433
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 1: the roster now, but we're that aren't on the roster now,

434
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 1: but we're at the end of last year. Yeah, Um,

435
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 1: I thought maybe dark one had a chance to come back,

436
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: but again, they didn't release him. He's a guy that

437
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 1: was a free agent. But of course he announced he

438
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: had that offseason surgery injury situation too. I always liked

439
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: the Orleans too, so I'm a little biased. I'm a

440
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 1: big fan of his. He's a really good guy and

441
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 1: if a good special team or and I thought he

442
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 1: did the best he could behind a really rough offensive

443
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 1: line last year. Um. I think me and Paul were

444
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 1: both a little bit surprised that they cut dominant garagers commardy,

445
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: but you never too shocked when it's a guy that's

446
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 1: over thirty and he makes a lot of money. That

447
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 1: tends to happen in the NFL. I don't think anybody

448
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: else really jumps out to meet Paul. How about you, Well,

449
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: the medical influences the Darkwood decision. The medical influences the

450
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: DJ Fluker decision and the Brandon Marshall decision, And when

451
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: you consider the medical you understand why those things were done.

452
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: So as much as I liked those guys as people

453
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 1: and as players, Flucker was those surprised. Well, when I

454
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: found out the medical was a consideration, you understood. He

455
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: had he had a shoulder, he had a knee, he

456
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 1: had a foot. You know, it made sense. You know, Um,

457
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 1: here was the For me, it's d r C. Because

458
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: I thought that even with the numbers being juggled with him,

459
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 1: it's clear that they asked him to come back. They

460
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: had a new role for him, or should I say

461
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: a lot of what he was doing last year in

462
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: the Betcher's scheme and and he didn't want to deal

463
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: with that, and he decided that that that was gonna

464
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: be enough. And you know, he wanted to go shop

465
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: as where as elsewhere. So I guess that one, that

466
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: one's the one that that surprises me the most. And

467
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: quite frankly, uh, he's still out there. I would love

468
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: to see him or the giants have a phone conversation.

469
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: And I think DRC would be a tremendous asset for

470
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: this team. Should he be able to find his way

471
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: back onto the roster and they should come to some

472
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: kind of terms. I think they could do a lot

473
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Speaker 1: worse than having him, especially with lack of depth in

474
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Speaker 1: this secretary. Yeah, so that that that kind of leadst

475
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Speaker 1: in my next question. Has that ever happened in your

476
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: experienced guys in the NFL? We cut somebody, it's been

477
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: a couple of months since they found somewhere. It happens

478
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, it does happen sometimes, Sure it does,

479
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: Sure it does, Sure it does. It's it's not unprecedented

480
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: at all. Because that's my hope. I mean, that's that

481
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: that just led to my whole conversation. Man, I think

482
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: you guys hit the nail on the head. I think

483
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: if we had DRC in that depth, it would just help.

484
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: I mean, the defense is looking better and better as

485
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: we go, but I mean just having DRC and in

486
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: that secondary would just feel we feel so much more secure.

487
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, it would improve two spots because you'd put

488
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: him back into the three corner rotation and then William

489
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: Gay becomes the fourth corner, which improves that spot. And

490
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: you also have insurance in case Eli Apple you know,

491
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: should not get his game back on track. And I'll

492
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: say this to Jillian because I've seen people make a

493
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: big deal about this, you know on Twitter also that

494
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well, DRC was the best cover corter

495
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: of the Giants had last year. He has slipped. He's

496
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: not the same guy was three or four years ago.

497
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: He is trouble is staying on the field for a

498
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: percent of the players with his various health elements that

499
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: have been an issue over the course of the year. Uh,

500
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: he had the problem in the locker room halfway through

501
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: the year last year where obviously had the suspension. So

502
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: there are you know, there are things, Paul that he's

503
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 1: not the same player he was when the Giant suned.

504
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: He's older, he's not adorable, and he's not as good

505
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: as a cover guy. And that's why he was doing

506
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: more safety stuff last year than corner Stuffy, who they

507
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: wanted to I'm no, I'm not no again. I'm not

508
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: saying he's they didn't want it back. I'm just saying

509
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: he's not the same DRC that he was when they

510
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 1: when they brought him there. Like he's at a pro

511
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: Bowl level cover corner anymore understood not on a consistent

512
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: basis playing and play out for sixteen weeks, That's what

513
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But he's still a good player. No, I'm

514
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: didn't say it was it. I didn't say it was

515
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: you know. It led me to this question, guys. I

516
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: was eating Just a really short story. Now, let you

517
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: guys go. I was eating breakfast at UM at this

518
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 1: place it's called uh first Watch. I'm here in Florida, Hollywood, Florida,

519
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there and there's there's a table called

520
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: the community table where anyone could sit. You don't have

521
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: to wait, you just sit at that table and everyone

522
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,239
Speaker 1: just kind of sits next day and you mind your

523
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: own business and eat. And there's this couple sitting in

524
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Speaker 1: front of me and they're just kind of arguing, and I'm,

525
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: you know whatever, I'm just minding my own business, eating,

526
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: and then she keeps saying, Ross, I don't know why

527
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: you do this, Ross, I don't know why you do that.

528
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Ross, huh. And I look up and

529
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy looks so familiar. And I just

530
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: kept eating and whatever, and I go on my Giants

531
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: app and I'm re in your guy's articles and then

532
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: the girl goes, oh, look, he's a Giants fan, and

533
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: I go what And I look up and he goes,

534
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: he used to place with Giants. They go, oh, Ross Cockrell.

535
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, oh, I was thinking Aaron Ross. If

536
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: Aaron Ross is in Texas, That's how I figured his

537
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: first name was Ross. So I was like, there you go.

538
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: He chopped off his whole head, so he doesn't even

539
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: look it's funny if Ross Cocker. Actually he like the

540
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: like the king of the Froze at the end of

541
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: like week fourteen last year, he's that guy had more

542
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: hair than anybody've ever seen, but he shaved it all

543
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: off in like week fifteen, So that's why he looked

544
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: a lot different. I'm sure he was a good fine

545
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: for them last year, and you know what he wanted

546
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: up going to Carolina. You know what, we should add

547
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: him to that list because there's a guy who actually

548
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: performed well, did a solid job, but then got a

549
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: nice financial offer from the Panthers and and that's exactly it.

550
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: And apparently, you know, it was a little too rich

551
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,479
Speaker 1: for for what they were thinking about here, and and

552
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: so he got a good deal out of Carolina, but

553
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: he was one of the better consistent defensive performers last season.

554
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to a mean in Brooklyn. He's online. One,

555
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: what's going on? I mean, how are you? How are

556
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: you doing? John's Paul, how's everything? Everybody that Umm, I'm

557
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: really excited about the Sae Kwan Barkley draft. And you

558
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: know this be guys just electrifying. Man. And you know,

559
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: I'll never forget the day man before the Internet. We

560
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: were playing games at my friend's house. He goes to

561
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: his I don't know if you remember the days that

562
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: had the video stores and they had the NFL films.

563
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: He plugged them in the VCRs and he shows me

564
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: his video and I see this guy, Barry Sanders, and

565
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just embarrassing people, you know. I mean

566
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: he would go like one side of the field, comeback

567
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: the lineman of getting up. They couldn't believe he's going

568
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: back the other way. The best jump cut. Oh yeah,

569
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: I mean I think he's a lot like him. And

570
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: you know, you better, you know, respect this guy, you know,

571
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be it's gonna be great for the Giants.

572
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: And and I think that you know, he's gonna put

573
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on these defenses this time. He

574
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: will just embarrass you if you don't account for him.

575
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: But I mean, I mean, I would just remember this too.

576
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: The running back deeds help. He can't do it on

577
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: his own, so he's relying on the offensive line, the

578
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: block form. Remember he had a ton of negative runs

579
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: of Penn State because the issues like that. So you know,

580
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: I think he would have four one yard yard games

581
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: as in his final year of Penn State something like that.

582
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: So it's not like he was getting like a hundred

583
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: yards every game. So a guy like Barkley doesn't need help.

584
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: He can't do everything on his own. Barry Sanders was

585
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: the same way. Well, Barry Sanders was also the most

586
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: talented runner of the football that I've seen in my

587
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: entire life. I'm not willing to make turns se Kwon

588
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: Barkley and the Barry Sanders yet, No, but his point

589
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: being the Lions did not have a dominant offensively. They

590
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: had better lines than people thought. He would make highlight

591
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: reels out of people. I mean, but again, let's not

592
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: call sa Kwon Barkley Barry Sanders. You know, he hasn't

593
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: shown it. Part of what we keep saying is that

594
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: the offensive line has to be productive for a guy

595
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: to have room to operate. It's not just the offensive line,

596
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: it's the full back if there was a full tight deck,

597
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,719
Speaker 1: and it's the tight ends. And what I was told,

598
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: and again you do see it. Then when you go

599
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: back and you look at the tape again, you realize

600
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: that the Penn State tight ends they were using to

601
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: Gaseki as a receiver and receiver he wasn't a tight end.

602
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: So you got to suspect offensive line that was not

603
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: getting any blocking help from the tight end position at all.

604
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: Is it any wonder that that Barkley had to go

605
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: through some you know, hurdles to do what he did,

606
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: so I understand literally and figuratively he was a hell

607
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: of a hurdler. Yes, yes, But let me let me

608
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: ask you this guys, um, was Barry Sanders any good

609
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: between the tackles or either receiving like Barkley, Barry Sanders

610
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: used to have more zero and negative yardage runs than

611
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: any star in the league when when he was in

612
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 1: his prime. It was incredible because he would go like

613
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: for one zero minus two minus three, then forty five

614
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: fifty mean thirty minus two minus one zero, And I

615
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: mean this is why. I mean, this is why in

616
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: the nineties, the the always the debate pols who was

617
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: a better player, em Smith Barry? That was a hot

618
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: and and my answer was always this, as a runner

619
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: of the football, Barry Sanders was a better player. But

620
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: Emmett Smith was a better pass protector, he was a

621
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: better receiver. He was used in goal line when Barry

622
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: Sanders wasn't, and he was more consistent than Barry Sanders was.

623
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: So that was how the two guys were maybe a

624
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: little bit different because Barry was taken out of goal

625
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: and he wasn't even the game on goal line, and

626
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: a lot of the times he and it always caught

627
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: more passive than he did, and the lines were passing offense.

628
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: So it was two very different players. But that was

629
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: always the big debate. The appropriate burbage for me was

630
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: always Sanders was the more dynamic runner, Emmitt Smith was

631
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: the better running back. Yes, I think that's the perfect

632
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: way to put That's the way I always and I

633
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: think that's a great way to put it, all right.

634
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: I just think this guy is is the real deal.

635
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't say if his agile is Barry Sanders.

636
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: But he's coming out of the at feel. I mean,

637
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: he's just embarrassing these defenders. And you know, I just

638
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Speaker 1: want to say thanks. I love your show. Thank you,

639
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: thank you every week every day. Thanks guys, I have

640
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: a good one. Hey, thank you for being a loyal

641
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: listener watch her. We appreciate that. I just and now

642
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: Giant fans are mad at me now downline because they

643
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: think I'm like you know, sometimes I like to level

644
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: people off when they're too down. I try to bring

645
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: him up with the two up. I try to bring

646
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: him down. But there's I don't want to call it

647
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders. He isn't even playing the preseason game, and

648
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: I think most people are comparing him to him. I'm

649
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: hearing more and Thomas Roger Crab but I think but

650
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: I will say this. I think what it mean does

651
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: hit his running style and I'm told me just running style,

652
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: not talking about everything else that he does. Running style,

653
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: it does remind me of Barris Sanders. The jump cuts

654
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: to try to make a big play at and not

655
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: going up the middle, doesn't really put his head down

656
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: in dirty yards. I think he has that mentality, which

657
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: is which is kind of weird because we've talked about

658
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: this for the last three months. You know, Barry Sanders

659
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Speaker 1: is what one nine, what like two o two two

660
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: or three? Where he wasn't he wasn't very big and

661
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: he wasn't very thick either. No, he wasn't. Barkley is

662
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: That's got Joe Morris's left you ever Barry Sanders legs

663
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: when my guys used to try to tack them, they

664
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: should just slide off. So in that way they're similar.

665
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: But I do think Barkley has the potential will be

666
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: a more complete back, but probably not as elusive, over

667
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: dynamic of a runner. Do you think that's a fair

668
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: way to put it. Barry Sanders is the all time

669
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: I've never the greatest jump cut in the history of

670
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: the National Football League, bar none. Like I was having

671
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: a debate and you started on Twitter last week. The

672
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: guy was going back and forth. He said, Oh, I

673
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: can't believe you don't think take Barkley total stid yards.

674
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: You're too young to remember. But GAYL Sayers, I remember

675
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: videos of him. GAYL Sayers, Yes, incredibly elusive and because

676
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: his career was shortened big guy injury. A lot of

677
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: people don't necessarily put him in that elite category when

678
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: they talk about backs. However, he's in the Hall of Fame,

679
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: and when you considered the number of healthy years he

680
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: had for him to make the Hall of Fame, that

681
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 1: tells you, by definition, he had to be incredible, right.

682
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: And the point I was making is that this guy

683
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: on Twitter and is one of my good fleas, would

684
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: follow me for like probably since I've been on Twitter.

685
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: He's a good followers, a good fan. And he could

686
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: not understand why I wouldn't agree with him that his

687
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: prediction of say Kwon Barkley having scrimmage yards and I

688
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: was and I it a lot, and I went back

689
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: in history and I tried. I tried to explain to

690
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: him that only one player in history has had more

691
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: than scrimmage yards and in a season, Chris Johnson when

692
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: he rushed for two thousand yards by the way, any

693
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: two thousand, five hundred and nine. And all I was

694
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: trying to tell him was that I don't think say

695
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: Kawon Barkley of the most individual productive season of any

696
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: skill position player in history as a rookie. I didn't

697
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: think I was going that far. And then he started

698
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: getting knowed at me, like, oh, well, did you think

699
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: one of the quarterbacks was gonna be better. I'm like,

700
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: that's not the point I'm making. Barkley can be great

701
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: and at the same time not have twenty five hundred

702
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: scritge yards and mean it's I went back, I looked

703
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: at the numbers. It will be on cover three today.

704
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: If he gets I think to eighteen fifty, I think

705
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: he will have more scrimmage yards than an individual season

706
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: than any player in Giants history not named Tiki Barber.

707
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: I think Joe Morris. Tiki I think is three two

708
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: thousand yards scrimmage seasons, maybe one one, and then Joe Morris,

709
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: I think is next to like seventeen eighty maybe or

710
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: something like that. And I think he could finished. Joe

711
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: didn't do it in the receiving game very much. It

712
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: was mostly running and that was six when he did it.

713
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: So I thought, and my my bull prediction for Barkley

714
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: was that I think he's gonna finish him more than Morris,

715
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: and that's more than dred I thought that was a

716
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: pretty nice number. But Chris Sims on Pro Football Talk

717
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: this morning was asked about Barkley and said he could

718
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: see him being a thousand yard rusher catching anywhere between

719
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: sixty and eighty passes four between six hundred and seven

720
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: hundred yards. That's where we had, which which yeah, you know,

721
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's reasonable to me, and that's still gonna

722
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: be a Pro Bowl season in all likelihood. But I'll

723
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: tell you what if St. Kwan Barkley should somehow have

724
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage, then chances are Sheppard, Ingram or Beckham

725
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: were probably hurt most of the year and not playing.

726
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: And that was my other point, and that would be bad.

727
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: You want to get the ball around. I mean, you

728
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: figure out Dell is gonna have at least receiving yards,

729
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: right give or take part? Who better hopes? Yea? So

730
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: how many yards is his outfit is going to create?

731
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: Like six thousand? All right, let's go back to the phone.

732
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: Let's go to Scott in New Mexico. He's been holding

733
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: the longest. What's up, Scott? How are you, buddy? Good

734
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: morning guys, It's good morning for me and he Uh,

735
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: in deference to you, Paul, I had a pleasure of

736
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: meeting Gale Sayers when he worked at Southern Illinois University,

737
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: and uh, he does remind me a lot of the

738
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: fact that pleasure are talking to him. And one of

739
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: the things that was interesting he said, And I asked him,

740
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: what do you think made him such a great back?

741
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: And his answer was interesting. He said, every time I

742
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: touched the ball, I thought I was going to score.

743
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: And I think Sir Quan Barkley shares that same kind

744
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: of scene to the SOUTHRONDI. In fact, he actually said,

745
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: that's a week that you can't have that right. But

746
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: Gail was a really impressive man. I think the analogy

747
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: to him is actually a good one. But my questions

748
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: have to do with Kyla Letta. I know he seems

749
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: to be the I guess, for lack of a better words,

750
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: of the media darling, and he hasn't even obviously been

751
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: in the game. But my question is this, the Giants

752
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: should they go? And I hope this doesn't happen. They

753
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: have a gruesome schedule, yeah, and I know the whole

754
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: thing this year is to win now. So if for

755
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: some reason the Giants say go and three and Eli

756
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: doesn't play specifically well and one of those two quarterbacks

757
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: we won't have. In other words, they won't I don't

758
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: think I know Scott. I'm assuming you're asking, would they

759
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: ever put one of those guys in for you line

760
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: anning is correct. No, they will not. That will not

761
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: happen until the Giants are mathematically eliminated from making the

762
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: playoffs and he gets then or he gets hurt. It

763
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: will not. In my opinion, it will not happen before that,

764
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: I would agree with. Okay, I would be very very

765
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: very very surprised if it happens. The only reason I

766
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: asked the questions because I know there's been a nemesis

767
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: of one now and I don't know how the Giants

768
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: ever gone to, say, oh and three and made it

769
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: into the playoffs in their history in three maybe once.

770
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: I think ohen four was a number where it got

771
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: to zero. Unfortunately, I had to look at those stats

772
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: a lot the last few years, but I don't remember.

773
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, I don't remember either.

774
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: It's not something that I really like that you want

775
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: to be honestly, okay. The other question I have is

776
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. I still don't think they've addressed

777
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: I I listened to the conversation nearly about Gates, and

778
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: I still don't think they've addressed the issue. I they

779
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: have the Suian Wheeler. But I don't even think either

780
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: of those guys may even make the roster. I think

781
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: Wheeler is going to be on the fifty three. The

782
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: question is is he competing for the starting job at

783
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: right tackle or is he the number three tackle? And

784
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: the other person knew some rookie minicamp too, Scott was

785
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: at business. Body was working at a guard. He wasn't

786
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: even working at a tackle, which leads you to lead

787
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: you to suspect that they're not necessarily looking into a tackle,

788
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: because usually what happens when you bring a young guy

789
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: in and he's a tackle, they try him there. If

790
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: they don't like what they see, or in this case,

791
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: that they don't like the tape of what they saw,

792
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: then you try and with guard. And if you don't

793
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: like what you saw a guard, then usually that guy

794
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: isn't on the roster very long. Okay, uh So where

795
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: does the if the worst case scenario plays out and

796
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm hoping this doesn't happen, where does the right guard

797
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: really come from? Is it going to be Flowers or

798
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: do you think they'll make a trade or because I

799
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: just don't compliments in the people that are there now

800
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: Gard No, No, you meant right guard to tackle, meant tackle. Yeah, Well,

801
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: scot Eric Flowers is on the roster and and at

802
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: some point in time, I'm sure we will hear from him.

803
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: And he's the most physically gifted right tackle on the roster.

804
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: He has at the moment, the most accomplished resume at

805
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: the position that a most experienced. So until somebody tells

806
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: me otherwise, I would believe he still has a leg

807
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: up on being the starting right tackle on this football patch.

808
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: Summer did mention again there, Recommennie Camp. He liked some

809
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: of the things he did last year. And look, guys,

810
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: let me put an underline under this. We're not telling

811
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: you he played great. We're not telling you he was

812
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: an above average tackle. We're just telling me he was

813
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: a little bit better than he was the year before. Yeah,

814
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: that's all we're saying. And by the way, let me

815
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: just make something clear. Thirteen penalties called against him the

816
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: year before, only six called against him last year, so

817
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: he cut his penalties in half. Now, penalties are a

818
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,479
Speaker 1: good indication of a guy who's not playing well, because

819
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: when he gets sloppy, he usually commits more penalties, or

820
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: if he gets beat, he's trying to save his court.

821
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: So the act that he cut his penalties in half

822
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: is a very good sign. Well, wasn't there a stat

823
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: midway through the year where he went like eighth straight

824
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: games that allowed How do you mention that? Because I

825
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: have all this information on my on my on my

826
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: my laptop, I keep all this stuff through my film study.

827
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 1: I had him giving up I believe it was one

828
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: sack from weeks three through fifteen. Okay, Now again, sometimes

829
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: sacks are a matter of luck if you like to

830
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: subjective quickly subjective stuff like that a ProFootball focused and

831
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: not having graded well last year, and we're not trying

832
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: to tell you he played well. We're just trying to

833
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: tell you that he was to some improve, some level

834
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: better than he was the year before. Yeah, because you know,

835
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: all the stuff is subjective. Now I graded him out.

836
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: Let's see. I'm sorry, let me go through this now. Uh,

837
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: he gave up where is my flowers? Flowers? From Week

838
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: three against Philadelphia through Week sixteen against Arizona, because remember

839
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: he didn't play against the Redskins. He gave up only

840
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: one sack and that was to Junior Gallet who beat

841
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: him off the edge and forced to fumble. It was

842
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: a four man rush against the Redskins on November. Okay,

843
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: gave up four sacks the first two weeks of the season,

844
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: gave up one sack the rest of the way, according

845
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: to my film work and calculations. And so you know what,

846
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: I get it. That doesn't include pressures or hurries or

847
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: quarterback hits, which are all part of a player's overall grade.

848
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not giving you that because only

849
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: the coaches can give you that, and they're not going to.

850
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: But just in the most simplest of forms, you look

851
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: at the sacks. Okay, I had them giving up only five,

852
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: and the Giants gave up what thirty four sacks last

853
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: year and he was only responsible, according to my numbers,

854
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: for five of them. Yeah, well, I guess what. That's

855
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: not bad. And the fact is he cut his penalties

856
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: down to six. That's not ad He was better. Does

857
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: he have to get better, Yes, but he was better.

858
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: And anybody who denies that either has their eyes closed

859
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: or simply does not want to admit what the facts are.

860
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: And I can just and this is again, this is

861
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: a third party, this is pro football focus. This is

862
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: how they had him graded. Uh, they had him graded basically,

863
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: by the way, the same exact garde they gave Leo

864
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: Collins from Dallas. Okay, just people have a much better

865
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: impression on which is why I wanted to put that

866
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: out there. Now. Collins is a right tackle, Flowers is

867
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: a left tackle. Um, they don't have a They actually

868
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: don't have the ranked numbers here. But he's definitely in

869
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: the lower quarter of the league, I would say, Um,

870
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: but some guys that are behind him, remember everyone, Uh,

871
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: let's see Joe Barksdale, people know him. Um, Greg Robinson

872
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: behind him, Marshall Newhouse was behind him, Riley Reef they

873
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: had grade and lower than flat. How about that Donovan

874
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: Smith who's a starting left tackle for Tampa, Matt Khalil

875
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: to on left tackle for Carolina, Bobby Hart who's no

876
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: longer with the Giants. And by the way, a lot

877
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: of people who loved him last year. You know, they

878
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: cam Robinson grated as the second worst starting a tackle

879
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: in the league. Did he really according to them? Again?

880
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: This is what and again, but that's why I'm so

881
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: much against the analytics in the box. And again, I'm

882
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: not telling you that this is fat. I'm telling you

883
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: this is pro football focuses analysis, and to point Paul,

884
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: pro football focused at Flowers given up four sacks in

885
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: the first two weeks, which I did, and then from

886
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: week three to week eleven they hadn't giving up zero, okay,

887
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: and then they had him responsible one against Washington and

888
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: one against Oakland in week twelve and thirteen. I did not.

889
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: I did not great in the Oakland game. I did

890
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: not have that as But again my point that is

891
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: that as similar, yes, you're not that one thing. That's

892
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: not a big deal. Numbers are very close to mind.

893
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: And in terms of quarterback hits, okay, this is quarterback

894
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: hits aloud that I do not keep. They had him

895
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: giving up eight quarterback hits the whole year, and between

896
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: weeks four and week eleven only all too when the

897
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: Giants played the Seattle Seahawks. So again it's an improvement.

898
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: Is he where you want him to be, where you're

899
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: confident him is a right tackle starter where he hasn't

900
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: played before. No, you want him to show you more.

901
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: But there was a modicum of improvement last year. Now

902
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: here's the one thing that we can all agree on,

903
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: because these numbers certainly don't lie and you can look

904
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: at them in the box. The Giants rushing the ball

905
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: around left end last year ranked thirty second in the

906
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: NFL with only twenty five attempts, and the reason why

907
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: they didn't run it around that side very much is

908
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: because the rue blocking at left tackle was not necessarily

909
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: as good as it had to be. Behind left tackle,

910
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: they ran forty one place for a three point eight

911
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: yard per carry average, which is not really what you want.

912
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: You'd like it to be higher than that. And then

913
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: around the end to the sideline the average was actually

914
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: four point six. But again they only ran twenty five

915
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: times out there, which must have meant they broke a

916
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: few long ones. And that's you the average And to

917
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: your point, ProFootball Focus, again a third party, this is

918
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: just there analysis us. They have his run block and

919
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: pass bot grades equally in the negative, so they see

920
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: issues with both sides of his game. They're much like

921
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: you do with your rushing staff. You know. So, folks again,

922
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: you know and I and it's funny. I defend this

923
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: guy because I simply want to be fair and factual.

924
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: Those who just want to throw bow and arrows or

925
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: shoot bow and arrows at him want to make him

926
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: out to be the worst player in the league, and

927
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: that's that's just not true. Okay um. First of all,

928
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: good job, Dave Dominic. Five teams have made the playoffs

929
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: of starting oh in three, the Buffalo Bills, the Detroit

930
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: Lions and Sandigo Charges, the Bucks and the Jets, and

931
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: these roster was our official Dave, We're good. You give

932
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: me thumbs up. This is official. Okay, I can now

933
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: talk about this. The Giants have way the six players.

934
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: Stephen Baggett out of East Carolina. He was one of

935
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: their undrafted free agent signees, so obviously they must not

936
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: have been too happy with the star rookie minicamp. Here's

937
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: a big surprise, Adam business body they're drafting last year

938
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: or has been let go. Brandon Dixon defensive back at

939
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: the Northwest Missouri State Byron Fields cornerback out of Duke.

940
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: He was on the one of the underrafted phrases this year,

941
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: right if not mistaken, uh C J. Goodwin defensive back

942
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: out of California, and Derrick Matthews, linebacker at of Houston. Well,

943
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: the Giants ever placed those six players with six new

944
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: guys that they like from Rocky Mini Camp Weekend Mike Jones,

945
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: defensive back out of Temple, Chris Lewis Harris, defensive back

946
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: out of Tennessee Chattanooga, Alonso Russell, wide receiver right of Toledo,

947
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: Chris Scott, guard out of Tennessee, Malcolm Bunch. I think

948
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: that's how you pronounced it, Bunch b U N C

949
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: H out of U C L A. And one of

950
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: my guys, I got one right, Robert Martin, running back

951
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: out of Rutgers. So one of the guys that I

952
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: thought looked decent made the taps. I'll take credit for that.

953
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: So they those some U those some roster whos for

954
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: you Giant fans off Rocky Minicamp this weekend. I want

955
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: to go back to the calls. We have an our

956
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: flowers call. Let's go to Jimmy and New York perfect timing.

957
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: What's up, Jenny, Hey, guys, gentlemen, good afternoon. How are you.

958
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good? Thanks for asking. Um, you guys

959
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: can stall my thunder a little bit. Sorry that I'm

960
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: a fan. I'm obviously a New York Giant football fan

961
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: and watching football for forty years. UM getting bored over

962
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: the years of watching the skill possession guys, and I

963
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: have found myself over the last three year four years

964
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: watching the offensive alignment. And first of all, I'm a

965
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: first of the Miami Hurricanes. I like when the Giants

966
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: draft a Hurricane because I think the reputation coming out

967
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: of that school, the guys, they play with an attitude,

968
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: They play with a lot of pride. My skinny on

969
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: the good and the bed of Eric Flowers from last year,

970
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: it was very simple. I think he improved immensely as

971
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: a pass blocker. I think his his technique improved. I mentally,

972
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: what I noticed was he had two bad games last

973
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: year Detroit Lions. He got eating alive. I think he

974
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: gave up three sacks. Z Answer really did a job

975
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: on him. Yes, in the second second poor game that

976
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: that stood out to me was Ryan Kerrigan. He ate

977
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: him up as well. Maybe not so much in the

978
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: pass letting up sacks, but he had a few pressures

979
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: that game. And you know there was another one. I

980
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: want to throw one other one. I thought he had

981
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: a little bit issues in the Chargers game too. With

982
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: Bosa and Ingram. I thought they gave us some issues

983
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: in that contest too, But that's just me. Yeah, I

984
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: think there was a little stunt in there that he got.

985
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: He got fooled immensely e mentally. But the bottom line

986
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: is Bosa eats up a lot of guys. Ingram eats

987
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: up a lot of guys. Uh Krrigan's eating up people

988
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: every single weekend, and and Detroit they do a pretty

989
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: good job as well. I think the guy improved immenseally.

990
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: I know Pro Football Focus doesn't give me the entire

991
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: skinny on it, and yes, it's a good gauge of

992
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: how a guy is doing, but it doesn't tell you

993
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: the whole story. What bothered me about last year is

994
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: the fact that as a run blocker he had no

995
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: issues coming out as a twenty one year old kid.

996
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: He was eating up guys in the run game his

997
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: as a as a rookie, and what bothered me last

998
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 1: year was was the lack of that in the running game.

999
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: It almost it almost looked like to me from what

1000
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: I've seen, that he was like everybody abused him for

1001
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: his passing game, and he worked so hard on the

1002
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: passing game in the off season that he almost let

1003
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: his run game fall by the wayside. That is very

1004
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: perceptive of you, because I absolutely agree that his pass

1005
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: blocking skills are are at their height right now, as

1006
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: whatever you want to think that height is. I think

1007
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: he's gotten better as a pass blocker, and I agree

1008
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: with you. It seemed to me that his run blocking suffered.

1009
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know why that is other than you

1010
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: know what, he's just got to be better. Case closed

1011
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: and here's the bottom one for it. I say, obviously,

1012
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: an attitude would issue. Last year, there are many many

1013
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: folks on the New York Joint football team that had

1014
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: attitude issues. Like I always, like anybody, always said you

1015
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: got to get a cancer out of the locker room. Cancer. Unfortunately,

1016
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: it spreads, It spreads like wildfire. And I gotta believe

1017
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: this guy. I don't know if it's his contract year

1018
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: or not, is obviously it's his fourth the year. This

1019
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: gotta be incentive for this guy to go out this

1020
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: year and put it all together. He has the incentive. Now,

1021
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: let's see if he can do it. If he doesn't,

1022
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: if he doesn't show up, because I've been I've been

1023
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 1: in this guy's corner since day one. If he doesn't

1024
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: show up for his camp, I'm gonna be highly disappointed.

1025
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you right now, as a New York

1026
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: joint football fan, and as a guy who's been watching

1027
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: the game for many, many years, I think this guy

1028
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: has the capability to put in the run game and

1029
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: the passing game. If he puts it all together, the

1030
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: guy can be a top I'm not gonna say he's

1031
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: the top five Liman in the league, but there's no

1032
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: way in the world why he can't be a topman

1033
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: in the You're gonna bottom one, is what I'm telling you.

1034
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: I am very happy rich Bird is gone, and I'm

1035
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: happy that Justin Pugh is gone. I had no issue

1036
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: with either of them. The only issue I had with

1037
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: Pugh is that obviously could not stay on the field.

1038
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: Rich Bird, as far as I'm concerned, he's not big

1039
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: enough to be a New York Giant. Offen to alignment

1040
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: and no, you know a lot Eric Flowers, the guys

1041
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: three thirty pounds. When he gets his hands on you

1042
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: and his technique is right, those guys they stop in

1043
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: their tracks because there's no way when this guy gets

1044
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: his hands on you physically, uh. And from a technique standpoint,

1045
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: he's too goshed on strong. You ain't getting around him.

1046
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: I have to say I'm a never a Flowers for corner.

1047
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: I think if he puts it together this year, the

1048
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: guy can have a monsteria. Unfortunately, he's got to show up.

1049
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: You better show up. Thank you, Charlie in the room

1050
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: together and see it comes out a lot, by the way,

1051
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: and and and just to your guys points because I

1052
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: know you guys doit, focus whatever, whatever. But they're saying

1053
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: minutes with you, guys, as you're saying, let me give

1054
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: you a couple of numbers here. Okay. First, the pass blocking,

1055
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: the way they worked their grades. The number doesn't matter,

1056
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: but they have them as a negative thirty nine pass

1057
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: blocker as a rookie minus twenty one in the second year,

1058
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: minus eleven last year. So you're seeing improve it in

1059
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: the past blocking as you go along run and in

1060
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: mimicing the quarterback Hurries gave up forty seven quarterback Hurries

1061
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: a rookie fifty in the second year, only twenty seven

1062
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: last year. That number cut almost in half. Okay, so

1063
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: improve it again, not where you want to be, but

1064
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: improve it. Run blocking on the other hand, rookie minus

1065
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: four second year, minus two last year, minus twelve on

1066
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: the run block. So the run blocking, they saw the

1067
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: same thing that it took a step back. So again,

1068
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: their metrics match what you saw with the eye test, well,

1069
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: very good. I just want to throw it out there

1070
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: and that's fine. And again I never argue with their

1071
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: pure data. I do have a lot of trouble with

1072
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: their analysis and their grading system, but their pure data

1073
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: and something is something that a lot of NFL teams

1074
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: subscribed to and I appreciate the fact that it does

1075
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: echo and reflect you know what, what my eye tests

1076
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: saw as well. I will tell you this though, John,

1077
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: You know, with the with the dwarth of quality tackles

1078
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,439
Speaker 1: in this league, and let's not kid ourselves, there's there,

1079
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: there's a dearth. Okay, absolutely all right. So let me

1080
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: ask you a question. If if you know that the

1081
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: cupboard or the shelf is bare, should you be always

1082
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: saying the grass is greener? No? Well, why do you

1083
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: think he's still on the roster? Okay? So, so as

1084
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: much as people may not like him or may understand

1085
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: that he needs to get better, you know, you may

1086
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: just have to you know, no, your teeth a little

1087
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: bit and understand he may be your best option. It's

1088
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: a different story if he's making twelve million dollars then

1089
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: obviously you have a different conversation. He's not a freaking contract,

1090
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So to me, he's not

1091
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: your franchise player. He's not no and and and they're

1092
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: ready declined to pick up the fifth year and and

1093
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: he may be your best option at right tackle, and

1094
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: so he might make the best of and maybe he's not.

1095
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: Maybe Chadwiller outplays him, and then Chad willish he deserved

1096
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: to start, absolutely, But you don't throw out the baby

1097
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: with the bath water, right, all right? A couple more

1098
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: calls before he say good bye. At two one, five

1099
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: on three, Pete is in Staten Island. Pete, you're next.

1100
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: Hey guys today, what I listen? John, you never talked

1101
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: about the lobster and I walked out. I never heard

1102
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: anything more. Oh no, we had the lobsters on the show.

1103
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: Jeff Fiel's got one. He had the crate on the table.

1104
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: He took one out. It was like about the cook

1105
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: all that that that's that. That's because Jeffie all the

1106
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: lobsters himself. I did not have a chance to eat

1107
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: the lobster. So you're gonna have to have to ask

1108
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: Fiegel's that question. Oh yeah, Hey, Fiegal's won the bet

1109
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: that were his lobsters. He could do whatever he wants. No, no,

1110
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: no complaints out of me. Yeah, all right. You know,

1111
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: actually I cooked with Jeff the other day because that

1112
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: was gonna as I did answer him actually if he

1113
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: was going to help out with the new putner this

1114
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: year at all. And he was telling me Pete, the

1115
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: problem is after these guys don't listen to me and

1116
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: a figure that out. Why wouldn't you want to listen

1117
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: to all that's unbelievable? Well, look, I think Jeff's talking

1118
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: about some guys in the past. I'm sure he does

1119
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: not know Dixon. I don't think he's and so it

1120
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: would be unfair to automatically assume that Dixon would not,

1121
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, be willing to listen to anything that Jeff

1122
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: had to say, because quite frankly, Jeff is around the

1123
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: facility a lot. He's part of our broadcast team, and

1124
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: he's always willing to pass along any advice that he

1125
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: can filling fairness, I don't really like talking to Jeff

1126
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: much either. The last time to talk about another offensive

1127
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: wineman that we saw underfted uh Re agent. His name

1128
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: is Evan Brown, and hid yeah, but you know, but

1129
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 1: you know, here's what I'll tell you about Evan Brown

1130
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: and I and I did think that he did well

1131
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: in drills over the last couple of days. Um, he is.

1132
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: He is a short style undersize center. In fact familiar. Yes,

1133
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest, he almost looks like a clone

1134
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: of Brett Jones. Um three out two. By the way, Yeah, um,

1135
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: I did like his drill work looks clean. Um, he

1136
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: looks like he's got good power, he's got some fundamentals.

1137
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: He looks like he's he's pretty agile. But here's my

1138
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: question for you. If if the Giants have right now

1139
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: Hlapio is the backup center, he's the number two Celapio

1140
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: at the moment. Yes, I've been corrected any times that

1141
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: I know. Well, you know what I used to important

1142
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: side Paul I called him Halapio for twelve games last year.

1143
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 1: I kept getting yelled at. So I'll just tell it's

1144
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: so in my head right now, I apologize that. No, No,

1145
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: it's cool. I know. Well, here's the thing. The point

1146
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: about it is, he right now is the veteran backup

1147
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: center behind Brett Jones. And he's a bigger guy who

1148
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: also plays guard. So it just seems to me logically,

1149
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: unless and Evan Brown comes in and flat out beats

1150
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: him out. If it's close, you probably think you're gonna

1151
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: go with the guy who's had experience and who's also

1152
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: played guard in this league, then you will. And Evan Brown,

1153
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: who I just I think he's probably better suited to

1154
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: the practice squad, not just my probably. Yeah, I don't disagree.

1155
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: I think this is just a position of need because

1156
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: we we we kind of don't have a lot of

1157
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: death at that position. And I did read in a

1158
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: couple of spots where they actually, um, you expected him

1159
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: to go somewhere between the fourth and seventh whan Okay,

1160
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's anything special or anything at all.

1161
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of thinking there's a you know, for

1162
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: death purposes practice squad. Like you say, this is a

1163
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: guy we got to look at. And and as far

1164
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: as Nick Gates, I honestly I haven't done any phone

1165
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: work on them, I really haven't. And actually I'm one

1166
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: that might have about another hour. So when you get

1167
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: a chance, if you gotta go, hold on, hold on.

1168
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: If you're gonna look at Nick Gates, um go find

1169
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: his game against Penn State. That's the game where he played.

1170
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: I thought played the best this past year, and I

1171
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: was I was pretty satisfied with his technique. I I thought,

1172
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: you know, he he deserved the look watch him against

1173
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: Penn State. Thank you, Pete. Thanks take care alright, final

1174
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: call the show. By the way, Um, just for reference,

1175
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: Dame Burglar has Evan Brown is one of his priority

1176
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: free agents. That's where he had him ranked on his list,

1177
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: and no one's better than Day and getting the guys

1178
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: that are at the bottom of at that at the

1179
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: draft ladder. Let's go to Richie and Long Island. Our

1180
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: final call the show. Richie, what's up, Buddy? Hey? What's up? Yours? Hello? Hey?

1181
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: So I just haven't called it in a couple of weeks.

1182
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: Not trying to rehash, um, you know, a draft question.

1183
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: But had the UH had Cleveland taken Barsley with the

1184
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: first pick, do you think have been the second pick

1185
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: for the Giants. I don't know that for sure, but

1186
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: if I had to guess, my answer would be yes. Paul.

1187
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: Do you agree? Yeah, you know, I personally would have

1188
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: gone to Nelson, but I suspect they would have gone

1189
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: Chubb and I would have picked Donald no matter what.

1190
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: So that means they're all different. Yeah, yeah, it seems

1191
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: like they were. You know, it was just willing, not

1192
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: really willing to create the pick and just you know,

1193
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: go for his gut instinct. You know what I want

1194
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: to say, though, Do you remember about a week before

1195
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: the draft, John gave me this these crazy scenarios about, hey,

1196
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: if you want Barkley, are you okay with Barkley and

1197
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman in round two or would you go

1198
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: the other way? And you said to me, get get

1199
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: maybe the running back in round two and take Nelson

1200
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: or Chubb in round one. We were talking about the

1201
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: kind of mixtures. I'm gonna tell you right now. For me,

1202
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: it was a fantasy and the ultimate to get Barkley

1203
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: and Hernandez. Yeah, you're right one and two. To me,

1204
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't get better than that. By the way, the

1205
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: fact that Michelle was all the board, because that that

1206
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: was my second That's the guy I liked. I like

1207
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle, that was the guy that I want to

1208
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: I like. Michelle Moore is your multidimo back. So if

1209
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: you would have told me, if I can go back

1210
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: in time and then if I couldn't get Michelle but

1211
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: I could get her Nandez, I probably would have fallen

1212
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: on your side of the equation. Tip Yeah, I mean,

1213
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, to me, the fantasy draft unfolded, I really liked.

1214
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't be happier. I really liked Ronald Jones, Paul.

1215
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: But the injury stuff at the end of the in

1216
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: the pre draft has it scared me. Apparently there was

1217
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: enough off the field stuff with guys that scared teams away.

1218
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: Me and you obviously aren't pretty that type of information.

1219
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: And you know Nick nick child, but he didn't get

1220
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: me super excited. Michelle was the guy I really liked.

1221
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: It turned out, by the way, that there weren't any

1222
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: great running backs left at the top of the third

1223
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: un I took carry on Johnson might fold out, not close.

1224
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: They were all gone. So there was a run. I

1225
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: think it didn't run. I think they ended up doing

1226
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: the right thing that kind of I remember guys said,

1227
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: I think it was last week. Let's say, uh, you know,

1228
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: a running back that was taken a little bit later

1229
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: has a similar you know, careers stat wise as Barkley does.

1230
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: Does that you know add to like an argument of

1231
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: oh maybe you know, uh, they should have a running

1232
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: back later like a valid point. I don't think you

1233
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: know for a fact that they would have a drafted

1234
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: that guy or if you would have had the same

1235
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: success with the Giants. But look, the argument is you

1236
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: can find a running back later in drafts, and history

1237
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: has generally um proven that point to be true. How

1238
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: this decision is going to be judges very simple, And

1239
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: I don't care what Sam Donald does with the Jets.

1240
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 1: I don't this matters with the Giants. Do they make

1241
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: a significant run with Eli Manning as their starting quarterback

1242
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: with Sae Kwon Barkley is they're running back. They don't

1243
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: have to win a Super Bowl because that's a really

1244
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: high bar and it's tough. But do they get to

1245
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: an Energy Championship game? Um? Do they win eleven or

1246
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: twelve games in a year and have a home game

1247
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: in the second round of the playoffs. Those are the

1248
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: things to me that will determine whether or not this

1249
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: was a good move. And I think, to a certain extent,

1250
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: how good is Davi's Webb and Kyle Aletta? And you know,

1251
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: how quickly does Eli retire? Can those guys replace him?

1252
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: I think all those things kind of together is what

1253
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: determines whether or not this ends up being the right

1254
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: move down the road. Let let me just give you

1255
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: one stat before we let you go and sign off

1256
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: for the day, because I did the research on this, okay, um,

1257
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: since the merger between the a f L and the

1258
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: NFL in nine seventy, and I don't think you really

1259
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: want to go back further than that, because the merger

1260
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: is where the league's combined, and so that to me

1261
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: is the most uh common point when you want to

1262
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: do some kind of historical study since the merger of

1263
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. If you break down guys taken in the

1264
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: top five picks of the draft going into this draft,

1265
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: forty seven quarterbacks, three Hall of Famers, thirty nine defensive

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Speaker 1: ends five Hall of famers, thirty five running backs, seven

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famers, three guards, one Hall of Famer. I

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Speaker 1: mean the percentage of success of guys taken in the

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Speaker 1: top five who would up in the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: the running backs is that's that's your winner. That's your winner.

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Speaker 1: So oh, that's that's pretty interesting. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: we had the highest highest bust rate for running backs

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Speaker 1: to a position in the top ten. It's a more

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Speaker 1: hit or miss situation. But when you hit, you're running

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Speaker 1: back is your best beat. And that's fat. Those are numbers.

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Speaker 1: Those are the real numbers. That's not a subjective thing.

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Speaker 1: That's fat. Just a quick thing with the linebackers, just

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Speaker 1: to shift really quick. Besides ogree, is there any other

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Speaker 1: ones that are you know, somewhat decent and past coverage.

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Speaker 1: That's the trick you have to and and thanks off

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Speaker 1: for the call, Ritchie. You have to find that second

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Speaker 1: linebacker that's gonna cover with ogil trays and showed some

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Speaker 1: signs of being able to do that last year. I

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Speaker 1: need to see more, and I don't blame you. I

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Speaker 1: need to see him more on the field first, before

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Speaker 1: I can even see him in cover again. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to see those numbers with like Pro Bowls and All

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Speaker 1: pros and stuff like that. I just went to the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame because we were talking golden jackets. So

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Speaker 1: I said, okay, let's figure it out. And the running

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Speaker 1: back percentage of guys taken in the top five picks,

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Speaker 1: the running back percentage was the best of any of

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Speaker 1: those positions. Just saying good stuff. Point alright, alright, we're

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Speaker 1: back with you tomorrow on giants dot com. As our

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Speaker 1: conversation continues, we'll see it then, thanks to the Chairman.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody ye