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Speaker 2: This new morning recording program that we're on is just really.

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Speaker 2: When my alarm went off this morning, I was like

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Speaker 2: about some of the topics stuff, and I was like, oh.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean are you are you a snooze hitter?

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Speaker 1: Do you hit snooze?

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Speaker 2: I have to go right into it. And today I

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Speaker 2: It kind of ties into our topic today the month.

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Speaker 2: The theme of the month is the word confront and

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Speaker 2: we really like there's just this energy of confrontation I

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Speaker 2: confronting a lot of issues, none of which are actually new.

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Speaker 2: You and I talk about this a lot, like these

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Speaker 2: Podcast we've just really grappled with, like how to talk

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Speaker 3: I see this all the time.

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Speaker 2: It's just you're taught from day one, and so until

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Speaker 2: I love that though, because I've talked about this a

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Speaker 2: and he's been very honest and open about that. And

436
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: I think one of the things about like confronting issues

437
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: and confronting ourselves is when we can get open and

438
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 2: honest and vulnerable and connect with other humans through our pain,

439
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: it's healing for everybody. And so I do really appreciate

440
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 2: the way they're kind of destigmatizing that conversation by him

441
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 2: being so open about his own personal struggles and then

442
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 2: showing too, like addiction can be a lifelong process. It's

443
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 2: not like there's so much more to addiction. It's like

444
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: a frustrating thing for me to just touch on the

445
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: surface of. But like he's showing how to live a

446
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 2: life of dealing with coping mechanisms that he used and

447
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 2: as survival skills, and like just what a lifelong journey

448
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 2: that that is, and a really for me, that's a

449
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: big topic to confront in our society that just kind

450
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: of everyone just sort of sweeps under the rug. We

451
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: all kind of like live with these medicators that nobody's

452
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: really willing to talk about. And I do think he's

453
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,479
Speaker 2: talking about it.

454
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And like when you said sweep it

455
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: under the rug, like it's a constant thing for him.

456
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: He talks about it all the time, even sometimes in

457
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: a joking way. He'll be like, oh God, I can't

458
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: go there because the first thing I'll want is a

459
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 1: bag of coke, you know, And it normalizes it, you know,

460
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: it also shows that it you know, it's not about

461
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 1: like where you are on the social socioeconomic ladder, like

462
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: affects every walk of life.

463
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: Right, Like, he's very successful right now, things seem to

464
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: be going really well. So like you want to be like, well,

465
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: why would you do that or whatever, But it's because

466
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 2: of things inside of us. And it's not just like,

467
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: oh he has a craving for drugs. It's a deeper hole,

468
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 2: you know, that's an emotional hole. What are you laughing

469
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: at over there?

470
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: Ell? Just send me a funny picture?

471
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: Sorry distracted? Distracted? All right?

472
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: Well, I really support tax I. Love that you brought

473
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 2: him up. My first one is sort of predictable for

474
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: me as well, because it's Oprah.

475
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: I mean, she's the queen, she is the goat, and

476
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: we would be remiss if she wasn't on those lists.

477
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 3: I mean, how could I not.

478
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: It's just like, first of all, she's always been just

479
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: like an idol of mine, and I just find her.

480
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 3: I love every conversation she has. I love the way

481
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: that she has them.

482
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: I feel like, because we do what we do, I

483
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 2: really appreciate her interviewing skills. She is one of the

484
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: greatest interviewers of like obviously our time, but I think

485
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: ever personally because of the empathy and emotionality that she brings,

486
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: Like there's a real human connection happening in her interview.

487
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 2: It's not just questions, you know, it's it's a conversation.

488
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: Does listen and she does connect, and I really really

489
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: appreciate that. Also, obviously, she buildt an empire from nothing,

490
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: which is always really respectable. Everyone knows about the Oprah

491
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: Winfrey Show, but.

492
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: If you really look back.

493
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: At the Oprah Winfrey Show, the reason I think it

494
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: was so successful is because they were confronting such hard

495
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: new topics that people were struggling to talk about in

496
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: such an empathetic, willing to learn kind of place, like

497
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: just asking the right questions, exposing certain issues, bringing up

498
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: topics that people were struggling with, and having empathy and

499
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: kindness and love and showing that as the response. And

500
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: so I think that's why she was such a trailblazer

501
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: with that show.

502
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 3: Is it really set.

503
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: The example like we're having now, we have the Drew

504
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: Barrymore Show, the Kelly Clarkson Show, they kind of follow

505
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: that same road of just like trying to connect with

506
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: people in that capacity, and I think that came from.

507
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 3: Oprah, I really do.

508
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: So she started that with the show obviously, then it

509
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: transitioned into her being the boss of her own network,

510
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: which is just insane. So you can see those conversations

511
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: happening on Supercil Sunday. Obviously there's a Supercil Sunday podcast too,

512
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: which is a huge one, probably my favorite podcast that

513
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: I listened to. But one of the main things that

514
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: she's also known for is the school that she opened.

515
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: And so to me, this was like, oh, this is

516
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: a good thing to talk about or that people are

517
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: confronting issues such as poverty with solutions such as education.

518
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: Like this school started in two thousand and two when

519
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: Oprah was talking to Nelson Mandela, who I think most

520
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: of us know what his role was in South Africa,

521
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: but she mentioned they were talking about the poverty issue

522
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: and she said to me, it's the way out of

523
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: poverty is to put people on a more even playing field,

524
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: you know, like by education. So if we're put on

525
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: an even playing field, then you have the chances. If

526
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 2: you have the chances and the opportunities that we all have,

527
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: it gives everyone a bigger opportunity to thrive. And so

528
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 2: she started the Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy for Girls and

529
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: it's still thriving. She said, I wanted to build a

530
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: school for girls like me. She defined the Oprah girl

531
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: as having an indefinable quality of tenacity, charisma, and smart

532
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: So they've really been making waves in South Africa. The

533
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 2: school is still thriving and there's been a ton of graduates.

534
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 4: Now.

535
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 2: I think a lot of them go back and like

536
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: still help the school because it changed their life, you know.

537
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: So I just love the idea of using your platform

538
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: for hard conversations but then also like taking some action,

539
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: putting those things into action, actionable steps, and she saw

540
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 2: a major issue of poverty. Instead of just like, you know,

541
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: bitching about the poverty, She's like, Okay, let's give them

542
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 2: the shot. Let's do this, let's like start start the school.

543
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: So my girl, Oprah top of the A list.

544
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: The goat, Well, I think this leads into I'm going

545
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: to go out of order from my list.

546
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: Oh wow, we didn't make the order of your list, So.

547
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you did, and it wasn't that was disorder

548
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: that I wrote them down. I think that leads nicely

549
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: into my goat. Who is Dolly Parton?

550
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 3: Oh love Dolly Dollie.

551
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I first of all, I don't

552
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: think there's a person on earth who does not recognize

553
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: or know who Dolly Pardon is. She's one of the

554
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: most recognizable iconic I mean, I think it's they're one

555
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: and the same. You know, there is those islands in

556
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: the stream, you know. But yeah, I mean I think

557
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: she's honestly one of the most iconic brands in the world,

558
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, just like Oprah, And she's done it with

559
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: such fierce positivity but honesty too. You know. She was

560
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: very early in her career writing about women's issues. She

561
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: was writing about, you know, suicide and abortion and things

562
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: that like were like not topics that people were talking about,

563
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: particularly women in the public sphere. You know, obviously those

564
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: conversations were happening, but they weren't happening in the public sphere.

565
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: And she's you know, she's always she's really self aware.

566
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: She's the first to like crack a joke about herself,

567
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: and she's Larry said, like I'm you know, it's it's

568
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: the best way to diffuse people that are going to

569
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: make fun of you if you say what they're going

570
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: to say first, Yeah, and own it, you know. Like her,

571
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: she understands that like entertainment is razzle dazzle, and that's

572
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: what she does best. But she's been able to parlay

573
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: her success in entertainment into like doing good in the world.

574
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: And she's got the she's got her book club that

575
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: sends it's Dolly's Reading Lib Rainbow Reading Library or something

576
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: like that, and it sends you can sign up if

577
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: you have children and you'll get a free book a month,

578
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: and they it's at no cost. She funds that. She

579
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: also put a million dollars in that that found that

580
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: helped find the vaccine for COVID. She bought Dolly Dolly Dollywood,

581
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: which is in East Tennessee. It's an amazing theme park,

582
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: but it was I forget it might have been a

583
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: six Flags or something, but it was sort of falling apart,

584
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: and she bought it because her family's there. Most of

585
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: them are uneducated and she was able to give them. Yeah,

586
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: and it's revitalized that community, it really And Yeah, she's

587
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, she's like her. Her audiences at her shows

588
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: are incredibly inclusive. She's worked across the spectrum of so

589
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: many different musicians from Christian to gay.

590
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: She's doing like a rap album or what does she

591
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: do a rock album?

592
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I just think like she very

593
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: like you rarely hear her like step into the political space,

594
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: and whenever someone tries to corner her with a political question,

595
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: she always has the most above board answer where she

596
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: says exactly what you expect her to say while saying

597
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna delve into politics, but you know where

598
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: she stands. Yeah, and yeah, I just think I just like,

599
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: I think she is a really prime example of minda business,

600
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? She does exactly what she

601
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: wants to do. She does it beautifully, she does it

602
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: with heart, and she you know, she just radiates love.

603
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: And I think if we could have more people do that, Like,

604
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: it's no surprise that she's incredibly successful because she's her

605
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: talent matches her heart, and I think that, you know,

606
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: the world has rewarded her for that.

607
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: This is a side note, But is there something it's

608
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: like pinging in my mind something about the reading ring bo?

609
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: Was that a television show?

610
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: I think it was it?

611
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: And immediately my head went to that song and I'm like,

612
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: but what am I remembering?

613
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: What was hers? It's called the Imagination Library? So okay,

614
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: you pulled Rainbow? Oh yeah, it was a television show

615
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: called reading.

616
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I gotta find that song because now

617
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: it's like happening in my.

618
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: Head but barely.

619
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: Just those two words, and I'm like, what is the

620
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: rest of that?

621
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: Okay? Interesting?

622
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: Take a reading?

623
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: Well, we love Dollie.

624
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: I've always been a big fan of Dollie. Go ahead,

625
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: Dolly keep And also like she's still kicking it. I'm

626
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: so impressed on her all the time. Yeah, just NonStop

627
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: at this age is great. All right, So my next one,

628
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: you did actually it was interesting. When I sent you

629
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: my list, you were like, I think it's really interesting.

630
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: All of yours are women, and that wasn't at all intentional,

631
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: and most of them are actually women of color. It

632
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: wasn't intentional. It's just who really inspires me and who

633
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: I really I appreciate the way that they're confronting things.

634
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 2: So Michelle Obama is my second one. I am a

635
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: huge fan. As the First Lady, see, Obama served as

636
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: a role model for women and worked as an advocate

637
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: for poverty awareness, education, nutrition, physical activity, and healthy eating.

638
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: She supported American designers and was considered a fashion icon.

639
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: That's not really anything other than like a fun tip

640
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: for me. Obama was the first African American woman to

641
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: serve as the First Lady. So that to me is

642
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: like confronting issues by leading your life as an example.

643
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: Like to me, she confronts issues of racism by living

644
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: her life like she leads her life with example. She

645
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: opens up opportunities for others because now she's already crossed

646
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: that barrier, like there's been a black first Lady, and

647
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: that opens up the whole conversation for any race to

648
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: be in the White.

649
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: House, you know.

650
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: So I don't think she necessarily even has to speak

651
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: to it other than to just go live her life

652
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: and do the job that she did, which was amazing.

653
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: One of the other things you and I talked about

654
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: is like confronting health and wellness.

655
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: And maybe this is.

656
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: Because of your hard workout yesterday, but Ella Obama was

657
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: actually really really integral in confronting the issues of our

658
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: food systems here, which is like especially odd. Yes, it's

659
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: an odd topic to bring up, but to me, it

660
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: is a major issue in our country specifically. And I

661
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: always talk about this because I believe that what we

662
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: put in our bodies is just the complete like that's everything,

663
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: and we just put so much shit in our bodies

664
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: with mindlessly without thinking about it, and so our health

665
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: is in really a bad place and demise almost We're

666
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: getting all these diseases and there's all of these you know,

667
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: autoimmune cancer, all these things up from our stress and

668
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: the food we eat and not taking care of ourselves

669
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: and just being unaware. So she really started a lot

670
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: of those conversations on a bigger scale. I know, Hillary

671
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 2: Clinton had like started a little vegetable garden at the

672
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: White House, and Michelle Obama just made it this huge deal.

673
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: Like I remember seeing so many news stories about this garden,

674
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: and it was really just to show not only how

675
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: to eat well and how we can like eat from

676
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: a place of producing our own food, but also something

677
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: that's sustainable for our society. And like so much of

678
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: our food issues that do you think come from looking

679
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: at things like from a mass production stande point, Like

680
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: our government just trying to produce, produce, produce, so then

681
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: they put all these chemicals in our food to help

682
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: with mass production that are really bad for our bodies.

683
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just saw a story this morning on

684
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: BBC News where they took these two twin sisters okay

685
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: and put them they did a two week dietary trial

686
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: where like fat, calories, you know, all of the like

687
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: markers were the same, but one was eating a very

688
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: healthy diet and one was eating highly processed food.

689
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: Okay, and.

690
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: The highly processed food like her lipids and her like

691
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: everything went up that you don't want to go up.

692
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: She gained a kilogram in two weeks yep. And the

693
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: one that ate healthy, like all of her blood work

694
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: like was really good, and they said it's you know,

695
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: obviously whatever was done in those two weeks can be

696
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 1: reversed in two weeks with healthy eating. But they said

697
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: it was a you know, it's it was a really

698
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: eye opening study because it was basically they were doing

699
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: it with genetically this They were identical swim.

700
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: Same person, the satin body.

701
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not about calories, it's about literally the

702
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: things that are in it.

703
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny because like I mean, and

704
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: you guys give me so much shit in our friend

705
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: group because of the way I eat all the time,

706
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 2: and I do gluten free, dairy free, but then mostly

707
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: I just try to eat real food. And I think, like,

708
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: I know, it's like ha haha, it's Kelly's the complicated

709
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: one or whatever. But the reason I do it is

710
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: simply because now that I've done it long enough, I

711
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: see how bad I feel when I don't. And I

712
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: think when we do things so often, like this was

713
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: the same with me for drinking. When you're drinking often

714
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: you don't realize how bad it's making you feel actually,

715
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: and so you probably aren't realizing like the damage it's

716
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: doing to your body. But then if you take time off,

717
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: you do it one time and you're like, whoa, you

718
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 2: really recognize the difference. So I think it's really important

719
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 2: for us to know, Like I know gluten and dairy

720
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: don't work with my body, and so I just try

721
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: to listen and pay attention to that. I'm not like

722
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: a full like stickler, but for the most part, I

723
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: eat that diet and it makes me feel so much better.

724
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: People also always ask me, like, how are you so thin?

725
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: And I do take care of myself in exercise, and

726
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 2: I also have genetically like I'm just built this way.

727
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: But I do think a lot of the time like

728
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: the reasons I don't gain a ton of weight and

729
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: stuff is because I eat real food. Like I don't

730
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: actually watch what I eat ever, Like I've never counted

731
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: calories in my life, but I feel like because I'm

732
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: eating real food and not processed food, our bodies are

733
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 2: just built to that's what That's how it's supposed to work,

734
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: and so it just right, it just functions better that way.

735
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: That studies really interesting. That's fascinating.

736
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

737
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

738
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: The other thing Michelle Obama did about the hunger thing

739
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: is you kind of mentioned this in schools, but she

740
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: was really integral in the Healthy, Hungry, Free Kids Act,

741
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: where they really tried to work on the pyramid thing

742
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 2: for food. What is that called the pyramid thing?

743
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: It's like the daily intake pyramid.

744
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they restructured that though, and specifically that was meant

745
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: for school systems and just kind of making sure we're

746
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: actually getting the nutrients that we need.

747
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

748
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 2: It's also it's now transitioned into it's called my Plate,

749
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: so it's reauthorizing child nutrition programs and.

750
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: For other purposes.

751
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: So anyway, again, same thing where it's like a person

752
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: going out and seeing an issue and instead of just

753
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: preaching about it, going and actually making changes and doing

754
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: something in a kind loving way to help.

755
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: Others in need.

756
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: Okay, My next one is probably a name that most

757
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: people won't recognize, and it's somebody that I just learned

758
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: of this year. And I hope I pronounced his last

759
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: name properly. But his name is doctor Eric Cervini is Okay,

760
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: it's the er V I and I and he's he's

761
00:38:53,840 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: a homosexual historian and he I mean he's young. I

762
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: think he's like thirty years old. He went to Harvard

763
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: and then he went to somewhere in the UK and

764
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: got his doctorate and he's written he's he writes books

765
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: about homosexuals throughout history and sort of their crusades for

766
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: equal rights. And I think the reason why I'm drawn

767
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: to him is I think it's really important for all

768
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: of us to understand where we came from, yeah, and

769
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: the doors that have been opened by the people before us.

770
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: And you know, I also think too, in a divided

771
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: world where politically people who are anti LGBTQ, they go

772
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: for you know, they go for the least common denominator shit,

773
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: like they make it all about sex and what's bad

774
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: for kids, and they you know, they make it like

775
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: this boogeyman thing, and what they try to erase is

776
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: the human from it. And when you look at something

777
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: from a historical perspective, you're confronted with the humanity of

778
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: these people. And it's not just about you know, being

779
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: sexual deviance. And you know that I'm not here to

780
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: say that there aren't sexual deviants in the homosexual space.

781
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: There are in the heterosexual space too, And to each

782
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: his own mind to business, you know, but I think

783
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: he's a really important voice of this new generation. And

784
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: I think, you know, for people that are living in

785
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: smaller towns that don't understand and or maybe having feelings

786
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: about themselves or feelings about their loved ones. He's writing

787
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: books that are really important, and he's also you know,

788
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: he's active on social media. His first book that was

789
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: of New York Times bestsellers called The Deviance War, and

790
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: I sadly haven't read it yet, but what it did

791
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: is it's about an astronaut during the Space Race in

792
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven. He was, you know, working in the

793
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: Space race and he was actually sorry. He was an

794
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: astronomer named Frank Camerony Camminy, and he was summoned by

795
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: the Pentagon because they thought he might be gay. And

796
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: it was this thing that he had to fight because

797
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: his sexuality really played zero role in what he was doing.

798
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: But at that time, the way that the government and

799
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: the world viewed homosexuals was they were deviants. And so

800
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: I think it's it's that was sort of the beginning

801
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: of like major gay rights movements within government. And it

802
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: was a New York Times bestseller. So I'm going to

803
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: order a copy of it today because I think it's

804
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: important for me to understand where that came from. Yeah, also, recently,

805
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: what were you say? No?

806
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 3: Go ahead?

807
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: He also recently started to think oh maybe this is

808
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: where I got the word rainbow, called the rain book Bus,

809
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: and he and his partner, through crowdsourcing, raised money and

810
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: bought this old school bus so that they can drive

811
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: around and combat book banning and go into states where

812
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: books have been banned. In a press release, says last

813
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: school year, and unprecedented five hundred and thirty two bands

814
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: were enacted, affecting sixteen hundred and forty eight unique book

815
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: titles and fifteen hundred and fifty three authors and artists

816
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: across thirty two states. One hundred and thirty eight school

817
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: districts implemented book bands, affecting nearly four million students. I mean,

818
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: it's crazy, and so yeah, they raised a bunch of money.

819
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: And he also has a thing called shop Queer dot Co.

820
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: And he has a book club where he recommends a

821
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: book that you should read every month to delve deeper

822
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: into homosexual history. So you know, like, I know, this

823
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: isn't going to be for every listener, but I do

824
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: think it's important because even if you think that you

825
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: don't know someone who's gay, you probably do. And it's

826
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, we we're living in a time right now

827
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: where like the HRC has like issued a state of

828
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: emergency for homes for LGBTQ people right now in our country,

829
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: and you know, we need to find kindness and understanding

830
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: and and and reading about people throughout history I think

831
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: will bring sort of the human element that can bring understanding,

832
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: and you know, like we don't have to agree with everybody,

833
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: but I do think it's important to try and understand everybody,

834
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: and it will give us a stronger grip on our

835
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: perspective if we can understand something that is different from us.

836
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: And so I think I think this is an important

837
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: voice right now.

838
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: Well, I love that you said he's bringing real life people,

839
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: like the human piece of that. And also I think

840
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: when we can see just sort of stories over time,

841
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 2: it almost becomes like science in the way that you're

842
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: like you're seeing it play out and so it's factual

843
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: versus just people spewing their opinions all the time. And

844
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: I think for me, that's an interesting way to confront

845
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: things right now, because there's just a lot of voices

846
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: and a lot of noise, and so especially when it's

847
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: something so long term that we can look back historically

848
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: and see different examples of and especially like you said,

849
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: the human piece of it. That's a pretty pretty amazing

850
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 2: way to approach it. Also, Happy Pride month, y'all. Yeah, Pride, Well,

851
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: kind of to transition into my next person, I think

852
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: I'm going out of order too, even though y'all didn't

853
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: know that, I'm gonna go ahead and tell that kud

854
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: since you did. But this kind of plays into what

855
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: I just said about having facts. I picked Brene Brown

856
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: as one of my next people, and one of the

857
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: reasons I picked her is because, again, there's so much

858
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: noise all the time, like everyone has a voice now

859
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: because of social media, which is great in some ways

860
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: and it's also overwhelming in others because there's just so

861
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: many opinions. And the reason I like Brene's work so

862
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: much is because she's a researcher. So she got really

863
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: famous when she did a TED talk about vulnerability. She's

864
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: kind of known as like the expert in vulnerability. But

865
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: all of her books, her talks, everything that she's done,

866
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: all her work is really based in science, so she'll

867
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: go run all these tests. She's a researcher, like I said,

868
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: so she's constantly doing the research to find the real

869
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 2: examples of these things, not just like oh, this makes

870
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: me feel this way. But the interesting piece about her

871
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: research is it is about human feelings like vulnerability and

872
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: the reason we do all of the things that we do,

873
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: and she really is kind of getting to the bottom

874
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: of that, and then she's talking very openly about that.

875
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: And what I really resonate with is similar to what

876
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: we were saying about Dax. When people tell their real stories,

877
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: it opens up the plat forms and it opens up

878
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: the conversation for all of us to remember that we're

879
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: human beings, that we all have these feelings we're suppressing

880
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: so much all the time, but that we're not isolated

881
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: in any of that stuff, and the human connection is

882
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: where we heal. So the more we open up and

883
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: make ourselves vulnerable to each other, the greater the chances

884
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 2: for us all to thrive, you know, right, So obviously

885
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: I mentioned her ted talk. Brenee also has multiple books

886
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: including Daring Greatly, The Gifts of Imperfection, Dared to Lead,

887
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 2: Braving the Wilderness, Rising Strong, and Atlas of the Heart.

888
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: So if you have somehow lived under a rock and

889
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: you've never heard Brene Brown's name, I highly recommend all

890
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: of those books. She's obviously been on Oprah and all

891
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: the things to you, so you can go listen to

892
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: her podcast and multiple interviews of Brenee. The Ted Talk

893
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: is actually a really good place to start if you

894
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: don't know Brene's work, because it gives you a really

895
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: good foundation into kind of what she's about, and also

896
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 2: just the basic stuff that she talks about, which is vulnerability.

897
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: I love how she speaks to I could listen to

898
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: her talk forever.

899
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: She's just so real.

900
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: She's like this woman from Texas and she's like, hey, y'all,

901
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 2: what's up.

902
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: Like because she says like she's just like it's normalizes

903
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: it because I do I think some of those topics,

904
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: like especially vulnerability, which you know we all need to

905
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: work at, is overwhelming for people. And if you normalize

906
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: it and make it, you know, sort of the everyman

907
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: approach to it, like I think it's more people are

908
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: going to be willing to sort of lean in well.

909
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: And I also feel like she was such she was

910
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: a little before her time because and I mean she's

911
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: still obviously existing and working, but like all of those

912
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 2: conversations she started many years ago, and I do feel

913
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: like as a culture we're kind of catching up to that,

914
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: Like before the pandemic, it felt like we had, because

915
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: of social media, we had this world where we presented,

916
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: excuse me, we presented and we wanted to paint this

917
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: perfect picture of our life. And that was like kind

918
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: of the basis for most of the way that things existed,

919
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: even the celebrity culture. It was all about appearances, you know.

920
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: And I think the pandemic hit and a lot of

921
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: us got sick of that because we're like, hey, my

922
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: life is falling apart, Like I don't want to see

923
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: how great I'm doing air quotes right now, your life

924
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: is on social media, Like let's get real here, Like

925
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: the real talks and real connection and real vulnerability were

926
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: the things that I think a lot of us were

927
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: drawn to, and so there has seemed to be a shift.

928
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: But Brene is really she's kind of the innervator of

929
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: these conversations. She started having them many many years ago.

930
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: And I feel like we're finally starting to catch up

931
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: as a society. So definitely a thought leader confronting some shit,

932
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: you know.

933
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: Yep, I think I'm gonna only do one more. Okay,

934
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut one. My last one is George Rash Okay,

935
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 1: most people will know him as Tank from Tank good

936
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: News and Tank Sinatra and you know, he was just

937
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: a normal guy that started doing a meme page and

938
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: it grew to over a million people when he started

939
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: making money, and so he quit his normal job and

940
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: started focusing on that fully. And then in the wake

941
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: of Hurricane Harvey, when sort of you know, the world

942
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: was literally underwater and it was seemed like doomsday, he

943
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: was really moved by watching people help their neighbors, put

944
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: their own lives at risk to save other people, just

945
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: really rise to the occasion to you know, help people

946
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: in a time of need. And he started his good

947
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: news network then it's you know, Tank good News, and

948
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: it was from a place where he just in that moment,

949
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: he said that he realized that the media really does,

950
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, they bank on fear because fear causes an

951
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: exciting response from us, and it makes you want to

952
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: come back for more because you need to know how

953
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: things turned out, or you need to know if there's

954
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: a new clue, or you need to it's all of

955
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: those things that bring you back. And so and I

956
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: do think it's like most major media outlets, that is

957
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: their approach. And he thought it was a really good

958
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: time to just start putting some good news out in

959
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: the world. So it started with him highlighting some of

960
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: the people that were doing good things for others, and

961
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: it has grown now to a network and a website

962
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: that has over three million followers.

963
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: Love that.

964
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like we've talked about it before, like we

965
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: often will put news from it when we talk about

966
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: good news stuff. And honestly, it's like I question myself

967
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: on Instagram every day whether or not I need I

968
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: want to be informed or like it's it's this balance

969
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: where it's like I feel like I need to have

970
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: new sites that I'm following so that I'm informed on

971
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: what's going on in the world. Yeah, but it brings

972
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: me fucking down, and it like those are the thoughts

973
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: that live free in my mind all the time, and

974
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: I hate it, but I do follow him and when

975
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 1: that shows up in my thread, it literally lightens my day.

976
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: It makes me feel good, It makes me believe in

977
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: humanity again. And you know, I just think if there

978
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: were more people like that, because I do. You know,

979
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: it does sometimes touch on topical subjects, but it's always

980
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: like a fresh, refreshing, happy approach to something. Yeah, And

981
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, I think, you know, we're talking about some

982
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: really big names here, you know, like people that are

983
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: incredibly recognizable, and so I thought it was important to

984
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: add him to my list because he's just a normal

985
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: guy that started doing something good and it's had a

986
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: ripple effect through you know the world, and it's spreading

987
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: kindness is something that's really easy to do, and you know,

988
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: he now has a platform that lots of people can

989
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: receive kindness through. But I just think he's a great

990
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: example of, you know, a good human being and I

991
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: wanted to highlight you today.

992
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: Well, also, it's sort of what we talk about, like

993
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: you said, living with kindness. But remember we talked about

994
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: the impact that the news has on our brain and

995
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: the constant just news come, bad news coming in. It's

996
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 2: like doomsday, and what that's actually doing to our brain.

997
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: We've talked about that on this podcast. I had my

998
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: brain therapist on the podcast and she really reiterated how

999
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: true that is. And so what he's doing is actually

1000
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: really helping our brains, which is like on such a

1001
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: bigger scale, helping with emotional health, mental health. It's so

1002
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: much bigger than he just puts up a couple of

1003
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: memes that make you laugh, like it's actually contributing to

1004
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: society in a very positive way for us as humans

1005
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: and for our own mental and emotional health.

1006
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it's it to me. The stories

1007
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: that I see change my day. Yeah, And you know,

1008
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: I do think I'm hitting sort of a reckoning point

1009
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: with the news, and I have to I think I

1010
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: have following a bunch of because it's and the algorithms

1011
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: know too, And it's like I don't even see what

1012
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: my friends are aft you anymore. Like all I get

1013
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: is news and bad news. So yeah, I love what

1014
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: he does. So I think everyone should give him a

1015
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: follow because it's a little bit of light in your day.

1016
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 3: All right.

1017
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: I'll put all the links to his instagrams and other

1018
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: websites in the description of this podcast. Are you ready

1019
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 2: for my final one?

1020
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am going out.

1021
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: With a bang. Guess who it is? Yeah, him kardash Ah.

1022
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: Shit, this one's going to be divisive.

1023
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: You guys are in your car right now and you're

1024
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: rolling your ays at me. Slow your role just so

1025
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: low down. I get it, like I do get it

1026
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: about you know, Kim got famous because of a sex

1027
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 2: tape and a reality show and it's kind of like,

1028
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: roll your eyes, roll your eyes, roll your eyes. What

1029
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: does she even do? She's not talented, is what people

1030
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: want to say. I have always disagreed with that statement

1031
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 2: because I look at that family in general, and the

1032
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: brands that they've built and the billion dollar like fortune

1033
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 2: that they've created. It's like an empire now, and I

1034
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 2: just have so much respect for them as business people.

1035
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: I think they've really maximized the opportunities that they were given.

1036
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: I mean, like, think about how many other reality shows

1037
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 2: you've seen. I was on one of them that really

1038
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: did not figure out how to maximize that platform, and

1039
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 2: that was a really frustrating experience for me, actually because

1040
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: I ended up getting punished for that. But like, there

1041
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: are ways to do that, and I really think the

1042
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: Kardashians are an example of people who have been smart

1043
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: about that. And so not only has she you know,

1044
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: really she didn't come from nothing, obviously, but I do think.

1045
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 3: That she had to fight a lot of battles.

1046
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: To kind of get to where she is and be

1047
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: a person that's respected in any capacity, because I think

1048
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: a lot of us want to be like, bro, you

1049
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 2: got a sex tape, Like shut the fuck up right,

1050
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 2: you know. But what I really love about her right

1051
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 2: now specifically, and this is this goes with every interview

1052
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: I see her do. She was just recently on the

1053
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: Jay Shetty podcast, Like she's had just a lot of

1054
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: other interviews where I feel like she's very aware of

1055
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: how famous she is and how many people's ears and

1056
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: eyes she has, and so she's taken this opportunity to

1057
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 2: not necessarily like maximize her own stuff anymore. Obviously that's

1058
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: a part of it, but like where that used to

1059
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: feel like the driving force, I feel like she's shifted

1060
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 2: into more of a position of service for others. And

1061
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure some people are like laughing at me again,

1062
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: but that is what I observe. And I do think

1063
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: that people with big platforms like you don't have to

1064
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: do that. Like everyone's like, oh, well you have a responsibility.

1065
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 2: Sure you have a platform, but like some people take

1066
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: it and some people don't. And so to see a

1067
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: person that used to be so self focused now trying

1068
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: to help others, I find that really inspiring.

1069
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: And so you did not have to get a law degree, no,

1070
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: and didn't like a few times like that three.

1071
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 2: Times past it, So like that's what I was just

1072
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: about to shift into. She's now gone back to law school.

1073
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: And again, like you're saying she didn't have to do that.

1074
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: It's not like she didn't have a ton on her

1075
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 2: plate or like she has four children and I know.

1076
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 3: She has help.

1077
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: But before you start rolling your eyes at that too,

1078
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: you're still the mom at the end of the day,

1079
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,959
Speaker 2: Like you can have all the help in the world,

1080
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: but that doesn't leave you of the responsibility of motherhood,

1081
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 2: Like it's just still they're still your kids, right, So

1082
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's just like, oh, she has help,

1083
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 2: so her life is Easy's that really frustrates me when

1084
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: people say that, And I think until you've experienced celebrity

1085
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: life and maybe all the pressure, like when you see

1086
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: what their schedules look like the way that you and

1087
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: I do, I mean, it's unbelievable. I don't know how

1088
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: a lot of people are doing it because it's NonStop

1089
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: and they are back to back to back to back

1090
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: to back functioning all the time.

1091
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: Well, and you also have to think, like it's hard

1092
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: for them to not be with their kids too, you know,

1093
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: like there's that it's not just about the kid not

1094
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: being with the mom. There's like it's it hurts mothers

1095
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: to not be with their children.

1096
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: Right, It's still the same, like mom guilt and all

1097
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: the things. I mean, she's still human. I think people

1098
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: just forget that. And it's easy for us to look

1099
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 2: at someone who has so much money and so much

1100
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: fame and success and be like, oh, well, this is

1101
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 2: just easier for her, and that's just not true. I

1102
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: don't think it's just different and some things might be easier,

1103
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: but there's different battles, I think. So anyway, she went

1104
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: back to law school, and I guess I wanted to

1105
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: put her on my list because now, like what she's

1106
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 2: doing with the Justice Project and just prison reform in general,

1107
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: Like she is really actively working in that field. She

1108
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: went back to school so that she can understand what's

1109
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: going on, and she's really trying to expose the issues

1110
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: with our judicial system and then like how it's run

1111
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: and then how often innocent people are being incarcerated unfairly.

1112
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: Like I actually had no concept of this, and I

1113
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: think a lot of us are lucky enough to not

1114
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: have to deal with this in our everyday life. But

1115
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: it's something that is happening, and she's really trying to

1116
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: expose it. They now have a podcast, Uh what is

1117
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: the podcast? Called The System. There's a podcast that she

1118
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: is the co host of and executive producer of, and

1119
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: it's just it's become one of the top criminal justice

1120
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 2: podcasts on Spotify. The description says, over the course of

1121
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: eight episodes, Kardashian, her co host, will work with investigators, experts,

1122
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: and more to discuss the complexities of Keith's case. So,

1123
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: I guess there's a specific guy. They're following his case.

1124
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: They want to expose the cracks within the story and

1125
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: highlight ways in which our legal system is broken. So

1126
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: I just really appreciate the fact that she's going into

1127
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: this trying to expose one of the major issues in

1128
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: our culture. And I think this ties into a lot

1129
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 2: of other conversations like racism and things like that. But

1130
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: she's trying to expose it, but she's also trying to

1131
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: be informed at the same time. And to me, that's

1132
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: also showing an example of like go learn, go do things,

1133
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: go use your platform, or use the things you've been

1134
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: given and try to help others.

1135
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's she is she. I think she's

1136
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: definitely going to be a polarizing one on this list,

1137
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: and she's not one I would have expected. But I

1138
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: also fully understand why she's on here, and I've kind

1139
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: of changed. I've never watched the show, I know so,

1140
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: but I do. I appreciate the thing, the good that

1141
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: she's doing in the world, and i've I've you know,

1142
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: friends of mine that work in media that have interviewed

1143
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: her have only said amazing things about the way that

1144
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: she shows up, how intelligent she is. I had a

1145
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: friend that worked at a magazine and they wanted to

1146
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: put her on the cover and they had one caveat.

1147
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: They said, only Kim can come. We don't want an entourage. Yeah,

1148
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: and the photographer, it was Bruce Weber, wanted to shoot

1149
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: her without makeup and she agreed to everything. Yeah, and

1150
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: apparently it was like lovely and it was really open

1151
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: and vulnerable and all of the things. So yeah, you know,

1152
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: you can't judge a book by its cover.

1153
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 2: Well, no, And I think a lot of us just

1154
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: want to throw a lot of us want to throw

1155
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: stones at people who maybe were born into this life

1156
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: with privilege, you know, like Kim Wise it sounds like,

1157
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: but I just think it's what you do with it,

1158
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: and I think it's also like, yeah, that would have

1159
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 2: been lovely, but I don't know, that's just the journey

1160
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: she was given, and so I just appreciate the fact

1161
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: that she's trying to give back now and use it

1162
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: for good. Yeah, And also that's confronting hard topics, Like,

1163
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: like you said, she's a very divisive person. So I

1164
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: think it would be really easy for her to try

1165
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: to stay out of those conversations because it's just going

1166
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: to add more to the load of hate that I

1167
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: think she already.

1168
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 3: Probably gets, right though, Yeah.

1169
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: Like this is a great topic that honestly, like who

1170
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: else is talking about this with such a platform that

1171
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: no one else that's talking about it has the reach

1172
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: that she has, obviously, because I personally have not heard

1173
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: anything about it until now. Maybe that's my own ignorance,

1174
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: but that's just the truth is that it's not really

1175
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: a conversation that you have at the water cooler every day,

1176
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: you know.

1177
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: No, no, And I do think like she's actively gotten

1178
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: some people pardoned, yeah, you know, and I don't think

1179
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: they would have been pardoned if it weren't for her efforts.

1180
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, So if you disagree with you want to

1181
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: come at me. That's fine, Email me at the Edge

1182
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 2: at velvetage dot com, or you can hit me up

1183
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 2: on Instagram. I'm at velvet Edge.

1184
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: Chip, I'm at Chip Doors c H I P D

1185
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: O R S c H.

1186
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: And as you guys are going into your weekend and

1187
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: confronting things of all different kinds, I hope that you

1188
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: are living on the edge and always remember, too

1189
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: Ad casual, you nailed it today, feeling that bye bye